I wouldn’t say that this is bad - I sometimes missed similar questions in other media, when the characters are often not surprised by what they see and hear. BUT - Marvel partly abuses such jokes, which is why their humor has become a household word - in a bad way. It’s just that after Endgames, all the existing problems began to worsen, because the franchise began to feel pointless and a parody of itself. I mean, let's be honest - Loki and Agatha All Along do not look like a Marvel series, but rather like a random series that feature Marvel characters. This enhances the feeling that the viewer is watching a parody, and a bad one at that.
@ahoramazda6864 I agree with you, it used to get a chuckle out of me but now like you said they have used it to the point where it's about as funny as an amy Schummer special
Not just that, he totally ruined the incredible planet hulk storyline to make that piece of shite overrated monstrosity Thor ragnarok, the good reception of that film was the beginning of the end of smart humor in Hollywood.
@@amalekedomite Isn't it strange. Non Js have to change their name to things like goldberg to get ahead in showbiz. Js seem to need to change their name too. I wonder why? They get ahead just fine.
@@MitchTaylor-x8c Whenever I heard about this scene I always wonder if it actually happened, kinda like all of those morbius jokes. I'm not gonna watch either to find out tho
"Well that just happened. He's right behind me, isn't he? Guys, a little help here!" None of that. Have someone earnest and stoic, not everyone needs to be Tony Snark.
i've argued with my friends, James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy was the worst thing to happen to Marvel Studios. because the studio suits learned the wildly wrong lesson. "every character has to have a quippy joke."
Naw, Guardians saved the MCU if anything. It was a complete breath of fresh air to a franchise that was starting to operate by rote. It's also one of the most consistent side trilogy in that one person was in total control of it from beginning to end rather than the obvious by committee films we've gotten over the last decade. The fact that the studio learned the wrong lessons from the success of Guardians isn't Gunn's fault. Honestly the blame is Whedon's. He lucked out with the first Avengers, but totally botched it with the second film. Gunn if anything showed how what Whedon was trying to do could work if you knew your characters and had a good screenplay.
Mr Despot sir. I would also like you to know that Mr Reflection of myself is also way wrong. Mr reflection is talking about sega genesis in the 90s in the 80s the Nintendo nes game super tecmo bowl had black athletes in screen along side whites and did a pretty good job or representation. It is worth noting Mr Reflection is wrong and annoying.
Marvel "humor" is at the point where the very INSTANT something serious happens (or is about to happen) onscreen, you can practically hear the 10 second countdown timer before we get a "LOL Joke" moment. (i like to play the 'Jeopardy' theme in my head while this is happening).
It's the Joss Whedon effect. It was OK in Buffy, then it caught on and everyone uses it wrong now. Buffy undercut tension at times, but never completely destroyed it or had characters talking out of character for the sake of a clever quip.
@@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDayIt was fine in the first Avengers movie, because they put Whedon on a leash. They balanced the comedy and serious moments so it still felt impactful. Then they completely let him off the leash in Avengers 2. It was so bad that even the villains were quipping.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Bad writing doesn't have a face. Just saying someone is bad at story writing and comedy when it is their entire job and life is a pretty good insult enough.
It's just lazy writing is what it is. Why bother trying to craft an emotional and memorable moment with depth when you can go halfway and then say "psych" and just go to the next scene?
Girl: “Oh Jesus FUCK ME HARDER!” Guy: “I’m sorry, I totally respect your right to religious freedom but it’s just very triggering and kind of offensive how you just ASSUMED I wanted you to cry Jesus when I shoved my fist up your ass.”
@@jaykimmerman8608 this reminds me of that one infamous “video” that ends with “oh my God did you just [REDACTED] in your stepsister?” When I think about it, that was the true genesis of marvel humor, only it was actually funny
This humour has had a huge effect on me though. During my wife's C section I said, "Wow, and she tells me I should open up more." Then, when the doctor handed me my son I quipped, "Looks like he's inherited my love of crying when I come out to the family." Finally, as I was removed from the ward by the medical team I shouted, "I can't wait to have the love of my life back home: Morphine." Bu bum Tiss.
@@DespotofAntrim So this is how it feels to brainstorm a Marvel movie. Despot, I feel strange. I feel a bubbling hatred and contempt for the fans of this channel.
You know it's a problem when you're watching Transformers One, Sentinel gets ripped in fucking half in fucking slow motion, and all you can think about is "hey where's the out of place one-liner? There was supposed to be an out of place one-liner!"
@@EclipseHedgehog yeah but that as cool and showed how strong Megs was in that movie but when someone with way more screen time dies and your ment to be sad there shouldn’t be a oneliner
TF One was so fuckin good for this exact reason. They're silly and fun for a time but then it just keeps getting gradually darker and darker and it just does not go back (up until Megatron gets banished and then Bumblebee joked about getting to work for the government but you know what I meant)
I’ve never watched transformers one but either way, the fact that bayformer movies have less meta humor than marvel really shows how the franchise still tops the superhero movies.
Whedon started it, but kept it balanced in Avengers 1, but then went overboard in Age of Ultron. I'd say it's comparable to Thor: Ragnorak because even the villains were doing it. This was back in 2015 before Ragnorak came out. Even when Thor is being beaten up by Ultron, there's no need to worry because even that was treated as a joke. Hulk vs Iron man should've felt urgent, but constant quipping by Tony ruined it. There's maybe like a couple scenes that are actually serious, but that's really it.
This reminds me of the time I was at my son’s funeral, as I looked down at his 3 foot casket , I glanced at my limited edition Deadpool and wolverine funko pop and quipped, “Save some timber for the rest of us.” I lol’d but I was ejected from the premises and can no longer visit my dead child’s gravestone.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Agreed. Scary Movie knew how to time jokes specially well, it's a parody of Scream that doesn't shy away from doing comedy with uncomfortable death scenes and the jokes land.
its sad because Chris Hemsworth is VERY body shy and against nudity for the sake of it. He spoke out against it before Love & Thunder. Then they make the movie with a scene of all the women oggling his body because "mmm yes, naked man is sexy." Tell you what feminists, you want equality? Should of then had Tessa get stripped bare and show us her dark moon, too. Or Natalie Portman's pale rump. But no, they just exploit the man because.
They massively over-egged the pudding with this. The Winter Soldier was one of the best films I've ever seen, more of a thriller than a super-hero movie. They blended the action and intrigue with a tiny amount of humor perfectly.. now, its just absolutely shocking. Like The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air mixed with Shaolin Soccer! 😂😂
Nah, Winter Soldier and early MCU were genuinely good movies and knew when to be serious vs humorous. Now it's so humorous that the heavier moments are severely undercut
Listening to Despot’s MCU humour examples made me want to relocate my head several kilometres away from my torso with the assistance of a freight train. That’s all to say GREAT JOB WITH THE SCRIPT!
The Joss Whedon effect has been a disaster for storytelling and will echo throughout history as the worst thing to happen to Hollywood since Weinstein, Diddy, and that Mel Gibson rant that got him blackballed.
@@marktyler3381 Oh yeah, Joss Whedon is normally fine. The issue is people trying to ape him and doing it iteratively worse each time. It's like cloning a clone, we're 3 Whedons removed from the original.
@@simon123222Exactly. The first _Avengers_ is a masterclass in how to do humor right. Whedon gave each Avenger a different style of humor that was consistent with their previous characterizations: Iron Man is flippant, Cap is clean and understated, Banner makes dark jokes about the Hulk, and Thor doesn’t joke at all - he’s the butt of jokes about his earnestness and his lack of familiarity with Earth. Most importantly, Black Widow is dead serious for most of the movie, because she’s worried about Hawkeye and well aware that she’s out of her depth compared to Loki and the superpowered Avengers. Whedon knew and respected these characters, and that was why the humor was hardly, if ever, out of place.
Iron man 1 had humor and so did Winter Soldier, just balanced well. Many acting like humor is new for comics related movies, hence the word comic. lol Tony Stark was full of jokes in his serious first movie.
I think the only joke that aged well was the one from Dr. Strange. "How long have you been at Kamartaj Mr..." "Doctor." "Mr. Doctor?" "It's Strange." "Maybe, who am I to judge?" That joke still makes me laugh, but the rest of them just make me groan now.
Okay, I know your jokes were meant to illustrate inappropriately timed humor as a bad thing but I gotta say the Titanic and Star Wars scenes were indeed hilarious. Generic Movie UA-camr was terrifying though.
The star wars meme could absolutely have worked if they just made the battle scene longer and put in something that sectioned off the funny bit from the death star blowing up.
@@brandonhelcher3691except he said "cross the Titanic with the Atlantic" which triggered my inner obsessive-compulsive. It doesn't work when you say it that way. And I can't see any real reason to change that intentionally.
Also great analysis. The 2000s superhero film attempt era went serious as possible and what eased the mainstream public for the 2010s superhero boom. And now has regressed back to 90s cheese, but ACTUALLY not fun to watch. At least Batman and Robin was fun cheese and over the top, almost like it was self-aware it was cringe and had fun with it. The M-She-U humor ACTUALLY thinks it's good or cool, which in turn makes it not fun because they're not in on the joke, they ACTUALLY think they're being cool.
_Batman & Robin_ WAS self-aware. John Glover, who played Dr. Woodrue, has said that Joel Schumacher would tell the cast and crew “Remember, this is a cartoon!” before each take. And I don’t think any movie that crams in that many Arnold puns is trying to be the next _Dark Knight._
Batman and Robin did a fantastic job capturing the campy era of Batman. You could watch that movie and Batman: The Brave and the Bold show, and it almost feels like a companion. I think the problem now is that they're gojng too far to the gritty/grounded side that they've basically removed all of the fun. No room for campiness, even though it's part of the character. In the next adaptation, they'll probably make him even more grounded by removing his grappling hook and making him take th stairs.
@ShadowSonic2 the women were never treated poorly, both the characters and the female audience. The female characters have always been made to be badass. And the female audience has been appeased with several shirt off moments from the guys. So I don't know wtf you're talking about.
Ironically, Saving Private Ryan does insert humor into battle scenes. They shoot surrendering Czech conscripts and quip, "Look, I washed for supper!", the German propagandist on the loudspeaker is quipped at ("'The Statue is Liberty is kaput.' That's disconcerting."), and the build-up to the final battle consists of two separate scenes of soldiers telling funny stories. Spielberg really was a master at making those things feel grounded and real.
Also in the Two Towers. Before the battle of Helmsdeep, we get Gimli providing some comedic relief, but it still feels appropriate in the moment and doesn't ruin the tone.
Yeah no one ever really mentions that the guys the Americans were facing at Omaha weren't even Germans mostly, they were older men and boys, and foreign troops more or less forced to go fight for the Wehrmacht and posted in places like the Atlantic Wall to free up the prime units for the Eastern Front and as a counterartacking force, which was Germany's primary method of defeating attacks: wait to see where it falls, let the troops in the front line delay it as well as they can, then send a smashing attack into it after they are disorganized and depleted by the advance. So all those men were wiped out by a few terrified old men and teenagers, who were then shot without mercy or burned alive by the men who made it past. Not to blame the soldiers, they didn't know, just it gets old hearing how all the tragic stuff was because of what the bad guys did. US soldiers didn't always cover themselves with glory. Because that's how war is. Also interesting that no one ever mentions the tens of thousands of French citizens killed in bombing raids on occupied cities, both before Normandy and during the heavy bombing leading up to the invasion. A bombing raid was considered very successful if half the bombs fell into a mile wide circle centered on the target, on the assumption that least a few hit the actual target. Thats a whole mile of urban city, and the other half fell wherever outside the circle. And that's a "successful" raid where they aimed and dropped correctly, and that's by the US standard for "precision" bombing. The RAF was content to just hit the right area of the city mostly. All those bombs went into French cities, the areas around the rail yards were leveled before the invasion. And you read about the fighter bombers raiding France and Holland in advance of the attack, they just blasted anything they saw on the road, or anywhere, on the assumption that it was a German military vehicle or train, even individuals. But it seems unlikely to me that every French or Dutch citizen just stayed at home for weeks and the only people going anywhere were soldiers. A lot of those trains were full of citizens, a lot of the vehicles and wagons were just farmers and people transporting goods to the towns. Just weird no one ever talks about it, although they will talk about the German citizens killed when German cities were bombed. There were a lot more of them obviously, but they were at least nominally "bad guys" (even if just because they were born in the wrong place and didn't personally stop Hitler from taking power).
The ultimate example of marvel humour was the ironman vs hulk fight. It would have been a great moment where Stark is genuinely terrified to fight an out of control Hulk, the tension could build until Stark realises he's going to win THEN he makes a joke. Or if he just left in the 'go to sleep' joke and the rest was him thinking on his feet and frantically trying to get the hulk out of the city while protecting people. instead Stark was treating the experience like it was a mild inconvenience and it made the whole scene pointless
I don't even watch Marvel movies and never watched Buffy (he wrote for that show), not my cup of tea. Yet I still see the "Whedonesque dialogue" effect on other pieces of media. It even started to invade woman focused literature and adjacent media (visual novels/webcomics). The amount of snarky, non-serious and "har har making references to real life pop-culture media and memes(US focused) that the reader may know of" heroines that cropped up over the last 7 years are exhausting. I want to stuff them all into a shredder. Doesn't even matter if a character like that has a minor role in a story, they deflate any tension the story has and are fourth wall breaking. They are like some really shitty isekai character that gets thrown in there for yucks without the author's knowledge despite writing this very character.
The problem with imitation is that it's not genuine, it think the Avengers is a very good amd well written story I think the humor is perfect, but when people try to copy it... it just feels fake and forced. I can tell when someone isn't writing with their own genuine style.
I don't know what happened to that guy... he is fully capable of well timed good jokes and dramatic and high tension scenes and proper payoffs within the same movie. firefly is still one of my favorite movies. I'd recommend he goes back and watches it
@@omalleycaboose5937the first Avengers had a balnce between the humorous moments and serious moments, but Avengers 2 they let the director off the leash. The quipping was so bad that even all the villains were doing it.
To be fair to Love and Thunder, the god cracking jokes and being indifferent to his plight COULD have worked as a breaking point to start the god slaughtering. But still worse than what was originally done with a god dearing to beg him for help being the breaking point.
Yeah I actually liked that, how the god didn't care at all about the mortal's suffering and even mocked it with his celestial peers. The original one sounds better though.
@@brandonscott9747is this scene not supposed to be awkward? His worldview is shattered and he is left there being ridiculed. The tone is reflective of him being left to both mourn his daughter and to face the reality that his god doesn’t actually care.
The difference between Deadpool and the rest of the Marvel movies here is that Deadpool is a comedy first. I'm not some Deadpool megafan or something either (he insults my boy Deathstroke) but he HAS an excuse. When you go to a Deadpool movie you know exactly what you are going to get, I mean it's Ryan Reynolds and he IS a Deadpool megafan who pretty much did the third movie as a love letter (and criticism) towards all the OLD comic book movies Disney and FOX keep pretending don't exist.
I think Deadpool humor is over the top even for him. He seems more gay than anything else (with the constant anal jokes, and posing like a woman cringe).
“They fly now” is the worst dialog I have ever heard in a big budget action movie. You just know the writer thought it was brilliant comedy. Not only is it unfunny, it makes no sense that they wouldn’t already know that.
The God Butcher comic was amazing, dark, and absolutely worth reading. It had Thor from 3 time periods, distant past, present, and far future, working together, to defeat Gor, a truly terrifying, and nearly invincible villain.Jane and Valkyrie were not in the story, at all, and neither were The Guardians. The adaptation in Love and Thunder was a complete sacrilegious travesty. Taika, or whatever the hell his name is, deserves a shot, below the belt, from Stormbreaker, or Mjolnir, with Thor’s full strength behind it.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennowdude fr, they could've at least had the rebellion against the Red King/Grnadmaster be the reason they get off the planet. At least include a bit more from that storyline.
The thing with Thor Love and Thunder. The director did everything in his power to make the movie suck to comic and veteran MCU fans. It's not incompetence. It's by design and that IMHO makes it worse.
Overindulgence as well. He knew he had FAR more free reign than pretty much every other Director in the MCU's employ (Besides maybe the Russo brothers), because he managed to hit a homerun with Ragnarok (Which, in retrospect benefited from what WAS considered the worst MCU film before it in Thor: The Dark World, and because the film actually showed us a full-powered and proper King of Asgard Thor which would pay off even better in Infinity War only to be terribly wrecked in Endgame for jokes.). And what did he do with that liberty? He made a 4+ hour film the entire crew reportedly enjoyed making . . . but was a monster to edit into any cohesive narrative because you were cutting the movie AT LEAST in half. The result: Massive tone dysfunction, Thor set right back into the same holding pattern his character ALMOST got out of at the end of Ragnarok and Infinity War, a total waste of a great villain concept with Gorr and Bale's performance, and the cinematic equivalent of the Director beating off on camera.
@@GideonRavenor712 People have actually forgotten that Bale was a villain in the movie. When you talk about Thor Love and Thunder I have rarely seen people talk about Christian Bale. That's how much the movie wasted his talent.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp They Made Thor a Joke from the word Jump. the first two movies tried to have serious pay-offs for him, but they were not good movies. They made him the butt of Jokes through out the MCU, he got some good moments occasionally, but that was it. This partly stems from Hemsworth who seems to want to be a comedian more than a serious actor from all the things I've seen him in, which I admit hasn't been much. And if the MCU wasn't building up to Infinity Gauntlet, they could have done a bunch of solo movies for Thor that could have covered his best era, the first one covering his super hero Origin, the next three covering The Ragnarok storyline with the Cask of Ancient Winters, the Dark Elves, and Finally the big pay-off with Surtur. But no, they pissed that up a tree
@daishikaze3986 No, having him be a fish out of water doesn't make the entire things comedies. The first movie was the most serious one because it was very Shakespearean. Lots of conflict with his family, and with himself. The 2nd movie failed because they had no clue what to do with him. They should've embraced the fantasy world more. And the 3rd movie was definitely a poor adaptation of the Ragnorak story, but it did leave him in a good place to build up. Infinity War built him up. Endgame broke the character beyond repair. They completely obliterated Thor and everything that they had previously set up, and then Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up.
The return of Mr. Reflection using subject matter covered in the video shows greater planning between seemingly separate videos than the explicit sequential saga extension of the sequel trilogy. You achieve so much in one go that must be commended, outclassing the things you critique by example.
@@KTK44I do think The Batman is too far in the gritty/grounded direction. They removed all the fun of the character, and even his villain the Riddler. It really limits the character and his world. I just found it boring. To me it just felt like he was trying to outdo Nolan and Snyder. Almost like an amalgamation of both. I don't want full on campy or full on gritty, but a nice balance.
I remember, many years ago, one of the reasons a friend gave for disliking Godzilla 1998 was: "They never stop making jokes, not even when they're in danger." I should have thought of those words as a prophecy.
That annoying quip garbage was always a staple of Roland Emmerich movies. Independence Day included. In fact, it's just Will Smith doing it all the time. Wait. Did Fresh Prince create millennial writing? Every millennial I know was obsessed with that awful show.
I don't mind the fourth-wall breaking in Deadpool movies. It's legitimately done as well is it ever can be, and it's MILES ahead of all the times Deadpool has appeared in more kid-friendly media like video games and cartoons. But everywhere else, it gets tiresome, and fast. It happened because it was Whedon's signature style, and it worked in Avengers for the exact same reason. Once we were dealing with people trying ot copy Whedon as "the Marvel style," it became insufferable probably 9/10 times. Your full-circle comment is spot-on.
Deadpool was never good/funny. Comedic fourth wall breaking is always cringe unless it's done very subtly; either way they're the laziest jokes possible.
The first movie still had a lot of serious moments. Then they basically just did the same joke, but more in the sequels. I've honestly just had my fill of Deadpool. Can we get back to actual serious superhero films again?
The freeze frame soy faces are too good. I think I've laughed every single time it was used in this video. Well done, Despot! Another kneeslapper added to the collection.
@@michaelscaccia1454 Hell nahh, bringing back Maul is one of the best decisions Star Wars execs ever made. It has lead to one of the best storylines in franchise. Mistake was killing him in TPM.
You know what's worst? That Joss who is credited as the inventor of this particular style, knew how to pull it off. Under his hand it serves a purpose and doesn't serve to undercut dramatic moments, but to characterize people. Buffy and Angel are the clearest examples, but also the first Avengers is another one which shines and wouldn't be the same without it. Others have taken the style without any understanding of how and why it works and when to employ it and endlessly tried to replicate it while making a parody of it. Ending up in a spiral of unfunny jokes that serve no purpose other than to annoy the audience.
I agree, though i do think they put a leash on him in the first Avengers. In Age of Ultron, he's let off the leash and goes very overboard. It was to the point where everybody was quipping, including the villains.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I don't think so. Age of Ultron was not very much in his control. He was mostly set with a script as was later revealed. I had some sort of interview about AoU saved somewhere, but I can't find it atm. The first Avengers is very much way more in line with Josses usual work. It's stuff like AoU and Justice League that are the outliers with tonal dissonance. I'm very familiar with his earlier work and admittedly he could have just gotten worse at it over time, but man look at Buffy and Angel for balancing tone. Season 5 of Angel is like a textbook example on how to do it right.
Joss was bad at it too. It's one of the reasons I was glad the Russo Bros. directed Infinity War instead of him. That kind of humor got old after the first season of Buffy, I always thought it was annoying, even in the peak Avengers 1 popularity days.
Spot on, Despot. Some humor is good, but endless comedy using quirky personalities without substantial character conflict and a solid plot underlying the comedy does not work.
Its the fact _every single character_ has to be a comedian, probably explains why i dislike MCU Spiderman cause he no longer feels like rhe jokester hero now 😂
imagine making this unfunny overused hackneyed dogshit joke in the comment section of this exact video without any apparent irony. presumably while thinking “heh heh this would play well on the reddit with the updoots edit rip my inbox I also choose this guys dead wife eh heheh heh heh”
Amazing Atheist in his "Tumblr Feminist" video once pointed out "a lot of times, what people often laugh at is quite dark and morbid" and "a lot of jokes have genesis in their suffering." Simply put, the things that make people laugh often have roots in very dark subject matters. Though I have strong disagreements with him on many things regarding religion, I have to say Amazing Atheist is absolutely spot on on that one. Humor is genuinely funny when it's bold to tackle a subject matter most people understandably avoid out of fear of triggering some people's sensibilities. It's why the so-called humor in Disney Marvel or any other shit the Hollywood's been torturing us with over the recent decades isn't funny. The Hollywood and DEI elites are so fucking scared of offending certain groups that they have lost the charm of real humor. And like you said in your Velma video, the jokes HAVE to reflect the actual reality in some ways and have a core of truth, which the Hollywood outright denies in order to please certain individuals with the massive privilege like the Chinese Communist Party.
Humour doesn't have to be topical or dark to be funny, the main problem with Marvel humour is that it's massively overdone, formulaic, played out and predictable. Nothing will change though, Disney are far too corporate. Marvel is prole feed slop now and that will not change for the foreseeable future.
@@DespotofAntrim In other words, they mistake what is in actuality unoriginal and outdated for genuine wit. Marvel, like Star Wars, is a walking corpse by this point.
Instead of watching Thunderbolts, I will be watching Top Gun: Maverick for the 8th time. They basically share the same premise, but Top Gun: Maverick is a much better execution (perhaps owing to the difference of genre, though I think a lot of it is the writing). I have no alternative for Captain America: Brave New World - except crying in a corner.
Top Gun Maverick is actually not very good. The flight scenes are fantastic but the antagonist is comical and the protagonists are also comical. The plot is a rehash and it is very silly. 2 downed pilots steal a F14 without any problems? It was popcorn flick but the quality of media is so bad that rubbish looks good.
I don't know why people were so surprised with Thor 4. I tried to warn them after it was announced Taiki would be coming back. And especially after Endgame already turned Thor into a complete joke.
Thor: Love and Thunder is the MCU equivalent of Cars 2 or Planet Sheen. Marvel and Disney made two rookie mistakes: they gave the director no direction and made the comic relief the main star. Korg is now the textbook example of milking a joke. He’s completely overstayed his welcome and is a sign of how making Thor a jokey character was a bad move.
The first Thor is actually pretty good! Treats the character seriously, yet is still funny. Emotional resonance and payoff. Coherent plot. Thoroughly fell hard by Love and Thunder..
Bathos has been known to be bad since ancient Greece. I don't think it's fair to call this millennial humor, it got big with genX and started in the 90s before ramping up in the 00s and is seen in all adult animation from The Critic to Dr Katz and best exemplified with Family Guy. It is standard in Adult Swim cartoons and all sitcoms of that period before finally reaching its nadir with Marvel. Don't get me wrong, millennials are not innocent; they have a far worse crime at their feet: the obsession with identity politics. But the crime of bathos is on Gen X. Today, we are living through the Gen X humor and millennial political narcissism. But neither generation seems to have developed good writers, just bad humor.
Nothing about that god scene was supposed to be comedic. You completely misunderstood the tone of that dialog. It was never meant to be outright funny or even funny at all. It was meant to illustrate how little the gods thought of him and his people. And you're comparing a Thor movie to Schindlers List? Now that's hilarious.
That MoM joke is not the worst joke in the movie. "Heydaguy Heydathere" is the worst joke in the movie. It's a completely and thoroughly nonfunctional joke on so many levels
Taika Waititi is a child who's been given too much freedom with expensive toys. How he's been allowed to make an idiot out of one of the greatest cast Marvel characters ever is absolutely beyond me. He should go back to making goofy student films, that's right up his alley.
On the example of the Blade trilogy. The first 2 movies are okay, humorous but work, while the third one, where Marvel had a hand in it, is Ryan Reynolds and low class jokes. I watched these three films recently and the first two had an atmosphere, but the third one was unpalatable and I'm not surprised that another one wasn't made. There are also smaller comments like keeping Blade hidden in his own movie and killing off old characters at the expense of new ones.
I was actually laughing at the Titanic stand up bit. _"That to do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? About half way."_ LOOOOOL! Never heard that one, that's really good one lol.
I disagree with the example from Thor. The disconnect between the tragedy and comedy is intentional to show how aloof and disrespectful the god is to the suffering of mortals. The jokes in that scene aren’t to make us laugh, they are to make us enraged at the god for making light of the situation and sympathetic to gorr killing him.
Thanks Despot, I needed this. The absolute insanity of New Zealand politics has been getting me down ( ...because I live in New Zealand) it makes less sense than the recent American election. So cheers !
But Josh Whedon is a 60 y/o man, is it really fair to call this humor millennial? Speaking as a millennial, I always felt like it were genxers who started this crap. They were the ones too cool for school.
I think part of the problem is that most jokes need to have an element of surprise. Yes, you can laugh at the obvious, easy picking fruit, even at something lame and cringy, but this is the exception, not the rule. Usually a good joke takes you offguard due to the surprise. If the expected joke is not funny, then it is at least in character. But when there are too many such jokes, it does not cause laughter from the situation or immersion, but rather irritation. A lazy “dad joke” can make me laugh, but when it’s the WHOLE schtickof not just one film, but an entire franchise, you’ll feel sick like a first-timer after a roller coaster. This applies not only to Marvel, but to everyone. Velma and similar shows aren't funny because the subversion becomes so predictable that you're more likely to be surprised by the traditions and classic tropes than to make fun of them. For this reason I don't like the "new" South Park. They just take one thing and repeat it throughout the entire episode, which makes me quickly get tired of the material, especially if it's boring. The most striking example is that episode about pharmaceuticals, hummels and the nursing home. The first time they joked that “A NURSING HOUSE IS LIKE A PRISON”, it was funny the first time... But when the ENTIRE episode is dedicated to this and not a single joke on another topic, it’s just terrible. The only thing worse is Donald Derangment Syndrome. They took the BLUE character from the series and want the audience to seriously believe that he can turn red because of one remark about Mexicans in the very first seasons. This is the only trait in the entire character that can be called "red", and yet, they dunk on Donald through Harrison for several seconds and it was not funny, because their bias towards a real person prevents them from creating humor and they just pour out their feelings, which no one cares about, as recent results have shown. But I digress. Thanks to Despot for the birthday video and I hope you change your mind about Andor when you realize that Disney does not want to change and cannot change. One pseudo-clever show cannot bring a course correction to the franchise. Cheer.s
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp yeah Endgame sucked, and i was thoroughly dissapointed, 100% their worst contribution to the MCU. But still better than most anyone else contributed.
Yep, 2 problems with Love and Thunder: Taika & Waititi. Millennials are just dollar store Gen X. They keep trying to pretend to be their cool, older, brooding, punk brother that doesn’t GAF but just can’t pull it off. The loss of the direct-to-dvd market is perhaps one of the worst things to happen to “entertainment”. You know like 75% of the crud were given today wouldn’t have ever made it to a theater in 1995. Oh lord, the whole “4th wall/meta” thing, it was cute with Ferris Bueller, that’s it. Ryan Reynolds has never moved beyond Green Lantern, he’s that character forever. He has the acting range of an out of tune kazoo. I also put “The Rock” in this same bucket. Can I smell what The Rock is acting? Yes, I grew up in rural Ohio, I know what shite smells like. And lastly, dear Hollywood, if you want to subvert my expectations, don’t subvert my expectations.
The Lion King (1994) uses humor very effectively without ruining the tension. Zazu is established as being the one with the dry wit. The Hyenas are goofy minions but the elephant graveyard chase is still terrifying as well as when Scar tells them to kill Simba after Mufasa's death. Scar's drama queen remarks i.e "Oh dear I've said to much!" don't detract him from being one of the greatest Disney villains of all time. Also that line also preys on a young Simba's weakness of being an overconfident child to lure him into a trap. Timon and Pumba provide much needed comic relief after the seriousness of the previous ten minutes the (stampede and Mufasa's death). Rafiki's antics with Simba push Simba's arc forward. Even the zanier scenes like "Dress in drag and do the hula?!" joke ( Improved by Nathan Lane btw) or Rafiki's kung fu against the hyenas breaks some tension, yet the scenes with Simba and Scar are taken 100% seriously. It also helps when these characters are played by good comedic talent like Rowan Atkinson, Cheech Marin, Nathan Lane ect.
"marvel humour" or "buffy humour?" The rot started in after buffy. It was spread to marvel via the intial infection of Wheadon (may he ever be remembered as the goodest of male feminists).
It really depends because in the first Avengers, they put a leash on him. And he was able to balance the humor and serious moments. In Age of Ultron, they let him off the leash and he had literally everyone quipping, even the villains.
I am tired of the marvel humour too, but the humour in this video is also not great. It's kind of ironic being told how the humour sucks in big budget films then proceeds to have long winded jokes and skits land flat. I understand some of it is in the taste or irony but I also feel a genuine attempt at humour is there. I like the commentary as there are a lot of good points but when the American accent comes out multiple times for those skits I'm left rolling my eyes tbh.
Joss Whedon has a talent for writing humor in the voices of his characters. For example, only Tony Stark could get say something like "Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist." The rest of Marvel just writes interchangable observational quips for dialogue and calls it a day.
The opening scene in Thor was the only part of the movie that worked. The tone wasn't comedic, the point was to show how utterly that particular god doesn't care about his subjects, the tragedy Bale's character is experiencing is less than nothing to him, barely an entertainment. Considering it's the only god Bale's character encountered so far, it sets up his motivation further. Yes, that god is a caricature, but it is appropriate. And there are real people, living and historical alike, with immense wealth and power who ARE like that, so that whole interaction is not even entirely unrealistic. If only it would set up a better movie. Something with the tone and acting of the first Thor film.
everyone thought thor ragnarok was a master piece. to me that was the ultimate final nail in the coffin that was thors characters... "look how they butchered my boy"
"millennial writing," it's been dubbed. And yes, it is cancer. Which is weird, because I remember enjoying it for 2-3 years. Rick and Morty, Family Guy, the Avengers. Everyone was doing it, and nobody minded. But looking back.. gag reflex. No thanks. It hasn't aged well at all.
Thank you for not shilling for D&W, and calling it out. The other 2 deadpool films were able to balance humor and drama well; they left dramatic scenes alone, and the humor was on point and in character. D&W is just sludge It’s embarrassing how many people thought that “movie” was anything approaching ok, when in reality it was just another giant soulless cash grab; it just happened to have people you like in it, so you fall for the bait like a mindless drone. Then you have the gall to call shills the same thing. How pathetic
Marvel's humour:
A character with wierd name exists
The other characters: That's your name?!😂😂😂
I wouldn’t say that this is bad - I sometimes missed similar questions in other media, when the characters are often not surprised by what they see and hear. BUT - Marvel partly abuses such jokes, which is why their humor has become a household word - in a bad way. It’s just that after Endgames, all the existing problems began to worsen, because the franchise began to feel pointless and a parody of itself. I mean, let's be honest - Loki and Agatha All Along do not look like a Marvel series, but rather like a random series that feature Marvel characters. This enhances the feeling that the viewer is watching a parody, and a bad one at that.
@ahoramazda6864 I agree with you, it used to get a chuckle out of me but now like you said they have used it to the point where it's about as funny as an amy Schummer special
Video idea: Make not overusing emojis cool again. I remember when the internet was just variations of this: :)
So it's like a White country boy meeting an inner city black girl?
"Haha, nice one. But seriously, what's your real name?"
Charges should be brought against Taika Waititi for the character assassination of Thor. It's been painful to watch.
I'm down, but only if we get whoever screwed up the hulk next!
yeah, they completely reversed him to a state worse than Thor 1
Not just that, he totally ruined the incredible planet hulk storyline to make that piece of shite overrated monstrosity Thor ragnarok, the good reception of that film was the beginning of the end of smart humor in Hollywood.
Call him by his real name: Taika David Cohen.
@@amalekedomite Isn't it strange. Non Js have to change their name to things like goldberg to get ahead in showbiz.
Js seem to need to change their name too. I wonder why? They get ahead just fine.
I feel like Marvel humor is like Looney Tunes humor, but devoid of any charm or timing. I hate it with all my heart.
at least looney tunes was funny
how DARE you slander Looney Tunes humour like that!
Me too especially the twerk scnece from she hulk had absolutely no class or timing at all
@@cellariusmack2595 Because constant slapstick doesn't get old.
@@MitchTaylor-x8c Whenever I heard about this scene I always wonder if it actually happened, kinda like all of those morbius jokes. I'm not gonna watch either to find out tho
Taika Waititi is so insufferable
Always has been
A racial supremacist who thinks his people, the Maoris, are da sh1t.
He made good small films in the past, before the hollywood crap.
"Well that just happened. He's right behind me, isn't he? Guys, a little help here!"
None of that. Have someone earnest and stoic, not everyone needs to be Tony Snark.
Oneyplays has a lot of good bits about millennial humor
@@TheThreatenedSwan I love watching highlights of oneyplays tearing forspoken apart, for that exact reason
@@gs4011The best part was when the Oney dudes were pretty much predicting the next line of dialogue by how bad it was.
"ermmmm, awkwaaaard" 🤓
N-nice kitty
i've argued with my friends, James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy was the worst thing to happen to Marvel Studios.
because the studio suits learned the wildly wrong lesson. "every character has to have a quippy joke."
He better not shove that into superman movie next year.
Naw, Guardians saved the MCU if anything. It was a complete breath of fresh air to a franchise that was starting to operate by rote. It's also one of the most consistent side trilogy in that one person was in total control of it from beginning to end rather than the obvious by committee films we've gotten over the last decade. The fact that the studio learned the wrong lessons from the success of Guardians isn't Gunn's fault.
Honestly the blame is Whedon's. He lucked out with the first Avengers, but totally botched it with the second film. Gunn if anything showed how what Whedon was trying to do could work if you knew your characters and had a good screenplay.
Nah it sucked from the beginning
Oddly enough, it's still one of the best trilogy in the brand
I’m pleased that somehow Mr. Reflection returned, he’s worth the powers known only to the Sith. As always wonderful video by our Despot Supreme.
It was magical.
Mr Reflection deserves Oscar nomination for being Reflection of himself reflected in games for being Black and Gay.
Mr Despot sir. I would also like you to know that Mr Reflection of myself is also way wrong. Mr reflection is talking about sega genesis in the 90s in the 80s the Nintendo nes game super tecmo bowl had black athletes in screen along side whites and did a pretty good job or representation. It is worth noting Mr Reflection is wrong and annoying.
Mirror mirror on the wall.
- Adûnâi
Can he fly now?!
Marvel "humor" is at the point where the very INSTANT something serious happens (or is about to happen) onscreen, you can practically hear the 10 second countdown timer before we get a "LOL Joke" moment. (i like to play the 'Jeopardy' theme in my head while this is happening).
It's the Countdown theme for me (British quiz show).
It's the Joss Whedon effect. It was OK in Buffy, then it caught on and everyone uses it wrong now. Buffy undercut tension at times, but never completely destroyed it or had characters talking out of character for the sake of a clever quip.
@@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDayIt was fine in the first Avengers movie, because they put Whedon on a leash. They balanced the comedy and serious moments so it still felt impactful. Then they completely let him off the leash in Avengers 2. It was so bad that even the villains were quipping.
*tragic death occurs*
*10 seconds pass*
"Well that just happened!"
"Who Wants To Be A Millionaire countdown song" for those special moments
It's humor written for 20-year-olds by 30-year-olds with a midlife crisis.
Or single 40 year old cat ladiess chugging box wine.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Bad writing doesn't have a face. Just saying someone is bad at story writing and comedy when it is their entire job and life is a pretty good insult enough.
@@TheFrenchmanCooks PRoblem is that often that's exactly what the people writing most of the garbage today look like.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105Jessica Gao.
It's just lazy writing is what it is. Why bother trying to craft an emotional and memorable moment with depth when you can go halfway and then say "psych" and just go to the next scene?
If Marvel humor was used in a corn movie:
Girl: He's behind me, isn't he?
Corn movie you mean porn
Girl: “Oh Jesus FUCK ME HARDER!”
Guy: “I’m sorry, I totally respect your right to religious freedom but it’s just very triggering and kind of offensive how you just ASSUMED I wanted you to cry Jesus when I shoved my fist up your ass.”
“It’s inside me, isn’t it?”
@ a big corn
@@jaykimmerman8608 this reminds me of that one infamous “video” that ends with “oh my God did you just [REDACTED] in your stepsister?” When I think about it, that was the true genesis of marvel humor, only it was actually funny
This humour has had a huge effect on me though. During my wife's C section I said, "Wow, and she tells me I should open up more." Then, when the doctor handed me my son I quipped, "Looks like he's inherited my love of crying when I come out to the family." Finally, as I was removed from the ward by the medical team I shouted, "I can't wait to have the love of my life back home: Morphine." Bu bum Tiss.
Doctor: I think he's coming!
Mother in labour: You should have told me that 9 months ago, then I wouldn't be in this mess!
@@DespotofAntrim So this is how it feels to brainstorm a Marvel movie. Despot, I feel strange. I feel a bubbling hatred and contempt for the fans of this channel.
I both love and hate the pair of you!
im gunna use that morphine one
I bet that's how Joss Whedon's children were born
You know it's a problem when you're watching Transformers One, Sentinel gets ripped in fucking half in fucking slow motion, and all you can think about is "hey where's the out of place one-liner? There was supposed to be an out of place one-liner!"
sheesh even megs said one in he 2007 movie when ripping jazz in half, sounds like tf one has a spine (no pun intended)
@@EclipseHedgehog yeah but that as cool and showed how strong Megs was in that movie but when someone with way more screen time dies and your ment to be sad there shouldn’t be a oneliner
TF One was so fuckin good for this exact reason. They're silly and fun for a time but then it just keeps getting gradually darker and darker and it just does not go back (up until Megatron gets banished and then Bumblebee joked about getting to work for the government but you know what I meant)
I’ve never watched transformers one but either way, the fact that bayformer movies have less meta humor than marvel really shows how the franchise still tops the superhero movies.
@@usagamer4055it helps that everybody else was scared of Megatron in those scenes, he has the confidence to joke but they don't.
Despot, you need to write and direct the modern equivalent o Space Balls.
A bit more practice with AI animation and I might give it a shot and release it on UA-cam.
Space Where My Balls Used To Be
Alien emerges from Kane's chest. Ripley looks at camera, "Well that just happened..."
*insert Seinfeld theme*
And later on:
“He’s behind me, isn’t he?”
"Well, that was awkward"
I guess HE don't like the cornbread either.
Flocking Tuesdays, am I right?
Joss Whedon started it. But Tactless Whytitty perfected it. Thor Ragnarok was when Marvel humor trully metastasized.
And people praised this trash movie back then. Now, after criticizing Marvel became socially acceptable, they trashed Love and Thunder.
Funny piece of trivia about tinywatitty... He is infact jewish. His real name is "Taika David Cohen"
The more you know.
Tourists. He ruined the World breaker Hulk. I hope he gets herpes. Ragnarok drove me up a wall.
Whedon started it, but kept it balanced in Avengers 1, but then went overboard in Age of Ultron. I'd say it's comparable to Thor: Ragnorak because even the villains were doing it. This was back in 2015 before Ragnorak came out. Even when Thor is being beaten up by Ultron, there's no need to worry because even that was treated as a joke. Hulk vs Iron man should've felt urgent, but constant quipping by Tony ruined it. There's maybe like a couple scenes that are actually serious, but that's really it.
@@amadeusagripino6862 People treating Ragnarok as a great film shouldn't be allowed to talk about movies ever again.
Joss Whedon, James Gunn and the guy from reddit who got thousands of upvotes have ruined a generation of writers.
I mean... when it's genuine you the writer it's fine, I love Guardians a lot. But when it's a cheap imitation it's grating.
And a hat tip to Quentin Tarantino
With a special “token” to Aaron Sorkin.
Nah, James Gunn's writing is genuinely funny and (usually) doesn't undercut serious scenes. Agree with Joss Whedon though.
It's not his fault. People just over did what he did.
B-b-but market analysis claims that quips every 3 minutes is instant reddit gold!
....But the chart says!
I think I have to fart!!!
'I did a thing' humor needs to die.
By fire.
People who say “tiny hoomans” instead of “children”
This reminds me of the time I was at my son’s funeral, as I looked down at his 3 foot casket , I glanced at my limited edition Deadpool and wolverine funko pop and quipped, “Save some timber for the rest of us.” I lol’d but I was ejected from the premises and can no longer visit my dead child’s gravestone.
Wow. Too much man...
Thank you, Ayatollah Khamenei
That doesn't even make sense. If his casket was bigger than normal, that would be a good joke. Good effort, though.
@@DR-sv8ke could replace the son with Kobe.
@@judyhopps9380 his casket would be bigger than normal, good job.
This whole video made me come to realisation. This style of humor comes from the parody movies of the early 2000s. Thats the origin.
Amd even then, it's not nearly as well written
Nah it was shitty 90s shows. Xena, Hercules, Buffy. My genx mom loved that lame shit
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Agreed. Scary Movie knew how to time jokes specially well, it's a parody of Scream that doesn't shy away from doing comedy with uncomfortable death scenes and the jokes land.
Somehow, Mr. Reflection returned!
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death my die.
It’s like my grandmother told me: if Cleopatra can be black, then why can’t Mr. Reflection be immortal?
Hot take: Did Mr. Reflection make clones of himself to see more reflections of himself to reflect back at himself?
@@DragonEclipseX7 Wait he's cooking
This type of humor stopped working 15 years ago, but they can't stop using it.
Oh they can, easily... they just WON'T.
No Marvel movie can top the tonal disconnect of Thor: Love & Thunder. It just can’t be done.
My question is this; why is a spiteful kiwi being allowed to tell Norse stories..?
its sad because Chris Hemsworth is VERY body shy and against nudity for the sake of it. He spoke out against it before Love & Thunder. Then they make the movie with a scene of all the women oggling his body because "mmm yes, naked man is sexy."
Tell you what feminists, you want equality? Should of then had Tessa get stripped bare and show us her dark moon, too. Or Natalie Portman's pale rump.
But no, they just exploit the man because.
Yet.
This is not going to age well. It really is not.
Fr the difference between Christian bale's performance and the rest of the movie was like Oppenheimer and barbie
that "icy dead people" joke was an ABSOLUTE BANGER
They massively over-egged the pudding with this. The Winter Soldier was one of the best films I've ever seen, more of a thriller than a super-hero movie. They blended the action and intrigue with a tiny amount of humor perfectly.. now, its just absolutely shocking. Like The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air mixed with Shaolin Soccer! 😂😂
If that's one of the best "films" you ever saw you gotta get out more my guy. 😂 Are you 12 and only watch superhero movies??
You poor thing! You should definitely get out more.
@@johnnysilverhand1733 He was in 'the mob'. They get out all the time, and in the best weather!
Weird, I just watched your interview with Nick Buckley right before this video.
Nah, Winter Soldier and early MCU were genuinely good movies and knew when to be serious vs humorous. Now it's so humorous that the heavier moments are severely undercut
Listening to Despot’s MCU humour examples made me want to relocate my head several kilometres away from my torso with the assistance of a freight train.
That’s all to say GREAT JOB WITH THE SCRIPT!
Indeed
The Joss Whedon effect has been a disaster for storytelling and will echo throughout history as the worst thing to happen to Hollywood since Weinstein, Diddy, and that Mel Gibson rant that got him blackballed.
Firefly was fun
@@marktyler3381 Oh yeah, Joss Whedon is normally fine. The issue is people trying to ape him and doing it iteratively worse each time. It's like cloning a clone, we're 3 Whedons removed from the original.
@@simon123222Exactly. The first _Avengers_ is a masterclass in how to do humor right. Whedon gave each Avenger a different style of humor that was consistent with their previous characterizations: Iron Man is flippant, Cap is clean and understated, Banner makes dark jokes about the Hulk, and Thor doesn’t joke at all - he’s the butt of jokes about his earnestness and his lack of familiarity with Earth. Most importantly, Black Widow is dead serious for most of the movie, because she’s worried about Hawkeye and well aware that she’s out of her depth compared to Loki and the superpowered Avengers. Whedon knew and respected these characters, and that was why the humor was hardly, if ever, out of place.
Iron man 1 had humor and so did Winter Soldier, just balanced well. Many acting like humor is new for comics related movies, hence the word comic. lol Tony Stark was full of jokes in his serious first movie.
I’ve never come across anyone that is “acting like humor is new for comics.”
Your social circle must be retarded.
I think the only joke that aged well was the one from Dr. Strange.
"How long have you been at Kamartaj Mr..."
"Doctor."
"Mr. Doctor?"
"It's Strange."
"Maybe, who am I to judge?"
That joke still makes me laugh, but the rest of them just make me groan now.
Okay, I know your jokes were meant to illustrate inappropriately timed humor as a bad thing but I gotta say the Titanic and Star Wars scenes were indeed hilarious. Generic Movie UA-camr was terrifying though.
I think that's probably because of how good the jokes themselves were
The star wars meme could absolutely have worked if they just made the battle scene longer and put in something that sectioned off the funny bit from the death star blowing up.
The protectors of the cosmos had me cackling idc
"What do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? About half way."
Also: "Well at least my constipation just ended!"
@@brandonhelcher3691except he said "cross the Titanic with the Atlantic" which triggered my inner obsessive-compulsive. It doesn't work when you say it that way. And I can't see any real reason to change that intentionally.
The "Star Wars Ruined" section sounded like a classic game chat conversation😂
Not so much pilots but it sounds like something actual grunts would say.
Also great analysis. The 2000s superhero film attempt era went serious as possible and what eased the mainstream public for the 2010s superhero boom. And now has regressed back to 90s cheese, but ACTUALLY not fun to watch. At least Batman and Robin was fun cheese and over the top, almost like it was self-aware it was cringe and had fun with it. The M-She-U humor ACTUALLY thinks it's good or cool, which in turn makes it not fun because they're not in on the joke, they ACTUALLY think they're being cool.
_Batman & Robin_ WAS self-aware. John Glover, who played Dr. Woodrue, has said that Joel Schumacher would tell the cast and crew “Remember, this is a cartoon!” before each take. And I don’t think any movie that crams in that many Arnold puns is trying to be the next _Dark Knight._
Batman and Robin did a fantastic job capturing the campy era of Batman. You could watch that movie and Batman: The Brave and the Bold show, and it almost feels like a companion.
I think the problem now is that they're gojng too far to the gritty/grounded side that they've basically removed all of the fun. No room for campiness, even though it's part of the character. In the next adaptation, they'll probably make him even more grounded by removing his grappling hook and making him take th stairs.
Exactly. I didn't mind the cheesy movies being cheesy because they weren't ever trying to be serious to start with.
Oh, but when it was the M-He-U and women were treated badly, that was fine?
@ShadowSonic2 the women were never treated poorly, both the characters and the female audience. The female characters have always been made to be badass. And the female audience has been appeased with several shirt off moments from the guys. So I don't know wtf you're talking about.
Ironically, Saving Private Ryan does insert humor into battle scenes. They shoot surrendering Czech conscripts and quip, "Look, I washed for supper!", the German propagandist on the loudspeaker is quipped at ("'The Statue is Liberty is kaput.' That's disconcerting."), and the build-up to the final battle consists of two separate scenes of soldiers telling funny stories. Spielberg really was a master at making those things feel grounded and real.
Also in the Two Towers. Before the battle of Helmsdeep, we get Gimli providing some comedic relief, but it still feels appropriate in the moment and doesn't ruin the tone.
Yeah no one ever really mentions that the guys the Americans were facing at Omaha weren't even Germans mostly, they were older men and boys, and foreign troops more or less forced to go fight for the Wehrmacht and posted in places like the Atlantic Wall to free up the prime units for the Eastern Front and as a counterartacking force, which was Germany's primary method of defeating attacks: wait to see where it falls, let the troops in the front line delay it as well as they can, then send a smashing attack into it after they are disorganized and depleted by the advance.
So all those men were wiped out by a few terrified old men and teenagers, who were then shot without mercy or burned alive by the men who made it past. Not to blame the soldiers, they didn't know, just it gets old hearing how all the tragic stuff was because of what the bad guys did. US soldiers didn't always cover themselves with glory. Because that's how war is.
Also interesting that no one ever mentions the tens of thousands of French citizens killed in bombing raids on occupied cities, both before Normandy and during the heavy bombing leading up to the invasion. A bombing raid was considered very successful if half the bombs fell into a mile wide circle centered on the target, on the assumption that least a few hit the actual target. Thats a whole mile of urban city, and the other half fell wherever outside the circle. And that's a "successful" raid where they aimed and dropped correctly, and that's by the US standard for "precision" bombing. The RAF was content to just hit the right area of the city mostly. All those bombs went into French cities, the areas around the rail yards were leveled before the invasion. And you read about the fighter bombers raiding France and Holland in advance of the attack, they just blasted anything they saw on the road, or anywhere, on the assumption that it was a German military vehicle or train, even individuals. But it seems unlikely to me that every French or Dutch citizen just stayed at home for weeks and the only people going anywhere were soldiers. A lot of those trains were full of citizens, a lot of the vehicles and wagons were just farmers and people transporting goods to the towns. Just weird no one ever talks about it, although they will talk about the German citizens killed when German cities were bombed. There were a lot more of them obviously, but they were at least nominally "bad guys" (even if just because they were born in the wrong place and didn't personally stop Hitler from taking power).
I can't see the 2010's or 2020's being looked back on too fondly in the future. If they are then I guess we really are stuck in a cultural uroboros.
As a whole sure, but about 5-10% was pretty good
@slow-and-steady Early-2010's were okay but you could really start feeling the culture rot by the time 2014 came around.
@@chemergencywhen smartphones came everything turned to shy7e
@@aselliofacchio It wasn't smartphones. Occupy Wall Street scared the tribe in charge and they needed to divide the west immediatly.
@@slow-and-steadyless than that
The ultimate example of marvel humour was the ironman vs hulk fight.
It would have been a great moment where Stark is genuinely terrified to fight an out of control Hulk, the tension could build until Stark realises he's going to win THEN he makes a joke. Or if he just left in the 'go to sleep' joke and the rest was him thinking on his feet and frantically trying to get the hulk out of the city while protecting people.
instead Stark was treating the experience like it was a mild inconvenience and it made the whole scene pointless
Despot, you managed to make me laugh at one of the saddest scenes in Titanic with you puns. Thanks a lot.
The Joss Whedification of movies has been a disaster for humanity
I don't even watch Marvel movies and never watched Buffy (he wrote for that show), not my cup of tea. Yet I still see the "Whedonesque dialogue" effect on other pieces of media. It even started to invade woman focused literature and adjacent media (visual novels/webcomics). The amount of snarky, non-serious and "har har making references to real life pop-culture media and memes(US focused) that the reader may know of" heroines that cropped up over the last 7 years are exhausting. I want to stuff them all into a shredder. Doesn't even matter if a character like that has a minor role in a story, they deflate any tension the story has and are fourth wall breaking. They are like some really shitty isekai character that gets thrown in there for yucks without the author's knowledge despite writing this very character.
The problem with imitation is that it's not genuine, it think the Avengers is a very good amd well written story I think the humor is perfect, but when people try to copy it... it just feels fake and forced. I can tell when someone isn't writing with their own genuine style.
I don't know what happened to that guy... he is fully capable of well timed good jokes and dramatic and high tension scenes and proper payoffs within the same movie. firefly is still one of my favorite movies. I'd recommend he goes back and watches it
@@omalleycaboose5937the first Avengers had a balnce between the humorous moments and serious moments, but Avengers 2 they let the director off the leash. The quipping was so bad that even all the villains were doing it.
We need a Joss version of Schindler's List to showcase what a joke that movie is..
To be fair to Love and Thunder, the god cracking jokes and being indifferent to his plight COULD have worked as a breaking point to start the god slaughtering.
But still worse than what was originally done with a god dearing to beg him for help being the breaking point.
Yeah I actually liked that, how the god didn't care at all about the mortal's suffering and even mocked it with his celestial peers. The original one sounds better though.
or they could have just kept Gorr's origin the same as the book since he was a fucking awesome Thor villain.
I was saying this to myself as well as that is the only moment in the film were the humor worked.
I agree the idea could have worked, but the execution of it was just terrible. It was a great premise but an awful scene.
@@brandonscott9747is this scene not supposed to be awkward? His worldview is shattered and he is left there being ridiculed. The tone is reflective of him being left to both mourn his daughter and to face the reality that his god doesn’t actually care.
The difference between Deadpool and the rest of the Marvel movies here is that Deadpool is a comedy first. I'm not some Deadpool megafan or something either (he insults my boy Deathstroke) but he HAS an excuse. When you go to a Deadpool movie you know exactly what you are going to get, I mean it's Ryan Reynolds and he IS a Deadpool megafan who pretty much did the third movie as a love letter (and criticism) towards all the OLD comic book movies Disney and FOX keep pretending don't exist.
I think Deadpool humor is over the top even for him. He seems more gay than anything else (with the constant anal jokes, and posing like a woman cringe).
@@XiaoFuryYeah, especially the 3rd movie. Literally half the movie was gay jokes. Got old by the 2nd movie
This style of humor tanked Transformers One with the first trailer - which is Greek-level tragic because it is a freaking GREAT film.
“They fly now” is the worst dialog I have ever heard in a big budget action movie. You just know the writer thought it was brilliant comedy. Not only is it unfunny, it makes no sense that they wouldn’t already know that.
The God Butcher comic was amazing, dark, and absolutely worth reading. It had Thor from 3 time periods, distant past, present, and far future, working together, to defeat Gor, a truly terrifying, and nearly invincible villain.Jane and Valkyrie were not in the story, at all, and neither were The Guardians. The adaptation in Love and Thunder was a complete sacrilegious travesty. Taika, or whatever the hell his name is, deserves a shot, below the belt, from Stormbreaker, or Mjolnir, with Thor’s full strength behind it.
He ruined the Sakarsson arc for Hulk too. Dude is a f****ng menace.
His name is "taikia david cohen" stop being anti-semitic!
@@stillcantbesilencedevennowdude fr, they could've at least had the rebellion against the Red King/Grnadmaster be the reason they get off the planet. At least include a bit more from that storyline.
The “icy dead people” joke got me. That was pretty genius lol
The thing with Thor Love and Thunder. The director did everything in his power to make the movie suck to comic and veteran MCU fans. It's not incompetence. It's by design and that IMHO makes it worse.
And i would add that Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up. Thor was made into a complete joke in that movie.
Overindulgence as well.
He knew he had FAR more free reign than pretty much every other Director in the MCU's employ (Besides maybe the Russo brothers), because he managed to hit a homerun with Ragnarok (Which, in retrospect benefited from what WAS considered the worst MCU film before it in Thor: The Dark World, and because the film actually showed us a full-powered and proper King of Asgard Thor which would pay off even better in Infinity War only to be terribly wrecked in Endgame for jokes.).
And what did he do with that liberty? He made a 4+ hour film the entire crew reportedly enjoyed making . . . but was a monster to edit into any cohesive narrative because you were cutting the movie AT LEAST in half.
The result: Massive tone dysfunction, Thor set right back into the same holding pattern his character ALMOST got out of at the end of Ragnarok and Infinity War, a total waste of a great villain concept with Gorr and Bale's performance, and the cinematic equivalent of the Director beating off on camera.
@@GideonRavenor712 People have actually forgotten that Bale was a villain in the movie. When you talk about Thor Love and Thunder I have rarely seen people talk about Christian Bale. That's how much the movie wasted his talent.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp They Made Thor a Joke from the word Jump. the first two movies tried to have serious pay-offs for him, but they were not good movies. They made him the butt of Jokes through out the MCU, he got some good moments occasionally, but that was it. This partly stems from Hemsworth who seems to want to be a comedian more than a serious actor from all the things I've seen him in, which I admit hasn't been much. And if the MCU wasn't building up to Infinity Gauntlet, they could have done a bunch of solo movies for Thor that could have covered his best era, the first one covering his super hero Origin, the next three covering The Ragnarok storyline with the Cask of Ancient Winters, the Dark Elves, and Finally the big pay-off with Surtur. But no, they pissed that up a tree
@daishikaze3986 No, having him be a fish out of water doesn't make the entire things comedies. The first movie was the most serious one because it was very Shakespearean. Lots of conflict with his family, and with himself. The 2nd movie failed because they had no clue what to do with him. They should've embraced the fantasy world more. And the 3rd movie was definitely a poor adaptation of the Ragnorak story, but it did leave him in a good place to build up. Infinity War built him up. Endgame broke the character beyond repair. They completely obliterated Thor and everything that they had previously set up, and then Thor 4 just continued what Endgame set up.
The return of Mr. Reflection using subject matter covered in the video shows greater planning between seemingly separate videos than the explicit sequential saga extension of the sequel trilogy.
You achieve so much in one go that must be commended, outclassing the things you critique by example.
Thanks man, I appreciate you noticing that.
One of the reasons I love Despot is cuz his videos have lore lol
Was watching the Matt Reeves Planet of the Apes movie last night and appreciated their was little to no humor.
I'm sick of quips, self-awar meta gags
Matt Reeves is becoming goated. Home run after home run, whether it's Cloverfield, Apes or The Batman.
@@KTK44But don't expect him to turn in a script on time. Because he never does.
@@KTK44I do think The Batman is too far in the gritty/grounded direction. They removed all the fun of the character, and even his villain the Riddler. It really limits the character and his world. I just found it boring. To me it just felt like he was trying to outdo Nolan and Snyder. Almost like an amalgamation of both. I don't want full on campy or full on gritty, but a nice balance.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I didn't like Catwoman explicitly complaining about my skin colour and saying the name of the colour.
@squirrelsyrup1921 Neither did I. Incredibly stupid scene. I wish they would stop raceswapping Catwoman.
I remember, many years ago, one of the reasons a friend gave for disliking Godzilla 1998 was: "They never stop making jokes, not even when they're in danger." I should have thought of those words as a prophecy.
If you think of it as an original kaiju movie instead of a Godzilla one, it can actually be a lot of dumb fun.
That annoying quip garbage was always a staple of Roland Emmerich movies. Independence Day included. In fact, it's just Will Smith doing it all the time. Wait. Did Fresh Prince create millennial writing? Every millennial I know was obsessed with that awful show.
Christian Bale was wasted in Thor Love and Thunder.
I don't mind the fourth-wall breaking in Deadpool movies. It's legitimately done as well is it ever can be, and it's MILES ahead of all the times Deadpool has appeared in more kid-friendly media like video games and cartoons. But everywhere else, it gets tiresome, and fast. It happened because it was Whedon's signature style, and it worked in Avengers for the exact same reason. Once we were dealing with people trying ot copy Whedon as "the Marvel style," it became insufferable probably 9/10 times. Your full-circle comment is spot-on.
also doubly because Deadpool already filled the niche for that kind of humor done well. Now everyone wants to do it poorly.
@@angel_of_rust Exactly. If everyone's Deadpool, no one is.
Deadpool was never good/funny. Comedic fourth wall breaking is always cringe unless it's done very subtly; either way they're the laziest jokes possible.
Deadpool is a comedy. That's why it's acceptable. One can complain they don't like the humour, or it doesn't land, but not that it's there.
The first movie still had a lot of serious moments. Then they basically just did the same joke, but more in the sequels. I've honestly just had my fill of Deadpool. Can we get back to actual serious superhero films again?
The freeze frame soy faces are too good. I think I've laughed every single time it was used in this video. Well done, Despot! Another kneeslapper added to the collection.
correction.. Mauls been around, he just pops up from time to time like an inconvenient cold sore.....
Bringing him back at all was dumb
Even in Clone Wars
@@michaelscaccia1454 tbf it was George who wanted to bring him back for some reason
@@mulan-jinglesemusicas1513 "some reason"... = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@@michaelscaccia1454 Hell nahh, bringing back Maul is one of the best decisions Star Wars execs ever made. It has lead to one of the best storylines in franchise. Mistake was killing him in TPM.
You know what's worst? That Joss who is credited as the inventor of this particular style, knew how to pull it off. Under his hand it serves a purpose and doesn't serve to undercut dramatic moments, but to characterize people. Buffy and Angel are the clearest examples, but also the first Avengers is another one which shines and wouldn't be the same without it.
Others have taken the style without any understanding of how and why it works and when to employ it and endlessly tried to replicate it while making a parody of it. Ending up in a spiral of unfunny jokes that serve no purpose other than to annoy the audience.
I agree, though i do think they put a leash on him in the first Avengers. In Age of Ultron, he's let off the leash and goes very overboard. It was to the point where everybody was quipping, including the villains.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I don't think so. Age of Ultron was not very much in his control. He was mostly set with a script as was later revealed. I had some sort of interview about AoU saved somewhere, but I can't find it atm.
The first Avengers is very much way more in line with Josses usual work. It's stuff like AoU and Justice League that are the outliers with tonal dissonance. I'm very familiar with his earlier work and admittedly he could have just gotten worse at it over time, but man look at Buffy and Angel for balancing tone. Season 5 of Angel is like a textbook example on how to do it right.
Joss was bad at it too. It's one of the reasons I was glad the Russo Bros. directed Infinity War instead of him.
That kind of humor got old after the first season of Buffy, I always thought it was annoying, even in the peak Avengers 1 popularity days.
@tumulovermelho93 but they also directed Endgame which had this humor all throughout. It was very poorly written and downright lazy.
The simple fact is that if a work doesn't take itself seriously, readers/watchers/viewers won't either.
Spot on, Despot. Some humor is good, but endless comedy using quirky personalities without substantial character conflict and a solid plot underlying the comedy does not work.
The new hour-long Despot video is right behind me, isn't it?
So, that just happened. Little help here, guys?
Its the fact _every single character_ has to be a comedian, probably explains why i dislike MCU Spiderman cause he no longer feels like rhe jokester hero now 😂
Your set killed Me. Add one more to the Titanic's death toll. "Say Hi! to Stockton Rush, tell him I want My PS controller back"
*Logitech made in China controller, $20 cheaper than a real PlayStation controller
Through a dark sith power only known as “somehow”… Mr. Reflection has returned…
Fun fact: Drax was there when MJ kissed Peter for the first time, he was invisible by being totally still.
So was Ant man. Checkmate
imagine making this unfunny overused hackneyed dogshit joke in the comment section of this exact video without any apparent irony. presumably while thinking “heh heh this would play well on the reddit with the updoots edit rip my inbox I also choose this guys dead wife eh heheh heh heh”
Amazing Atheist in his "Tumblr Feminist" video once pointed out "a lot of times, what people often laugh at is quite dark and morbid" and "a lot of jokes have genesis in their suffering." Simply put, the things that make people laugh often have roots in very dark subject matters. Though I have strong disagreements with him on many things regarding religion, I have to say Amazing Atheist is absolutely spot on on that one.
Humor is genuinely funny when it's bold to tackle a subject matter most people understandably avoid out of fear of triggering some people's sensibilities. It's why the so-called humor in Disney Marvel or any other shit the Hollywood's been torturing us with over the recent decades isn't funny. The Hollywood and DEI elites are so fucking scared of offending certain groups that they have lost the charm of real humor.
And like you said in your Velma video, the jokes HAVE to reflect the actual reality in some ways and have a core of truth, which the Hollywood outright denies in order to please certain individuals with the massive privilege like the Chinese Communist Party.
Humour doesn't have to be topical or dark to be funny, the main problem with Marvel humour is that it's massively overdone, formulaic, played out and predictable. Nothing will change though, Disney are far too corporate. Marvel is prole feed slop now and that will not change for the foreseeable future.
@@DespotofAntrim In other words, they mistake what is in actuality unoriginal and outdated for genuine wit. Marvel, like Star Wars, is a walking corpse by this point.
Your titanic jokes were actually pretty solid lmao
5:08 whoa this room is really dead.
😂😂😂😂😂
This had me me Bro
Everyone froze to death when they heard the joke
@@richardsanchez5444 you could say this is dead silence 😅😅😅
Instead of watching Thunderbolts, I will be watching Top Gun: Maverick for the 8th time. They basically share the same premise, but Top Gun: Maverick is a much better execution (perhaps owing to the difference of genre, though I think a lot of it is the writing). I have no alternative for Captain America: Brave New World - except crying in a corner.
Marvels 2025 slate is trash. They would have been better off doing nothing and letting the audience actually want a new Marvel project.
Go for a massively lesser known replacement: Orgazmo (1997). He’s a “super hero”, um, ish?
Thunderbolts isn't out yet, how do you know what it's execution is lol
@@nmr7203 cause it's disney I guess
Top Gun Maverick is actually not very good. The flight scenes are fantastic but the antagonist is comical and the protagonists are also comical. The plot is a rehash and it is very silly. 2 downed pilots steal a F14 without any problems? It was popcorn flick but the quality of media is so bad that rubbish looks good.
You have no idea how happy I'm to see Mr. Reflection return, he is an instrumental part of this channel.
Somehow, Mr. Reflection returned, and Carey got her comeuppance.
I don't know why people were so surprised with Thor 4. I tried to warn them after it was announced Taiki would be coming back. And especially after Endgame already turned Thor into a complete joke.
This is probably the best encapsulation of the problems with modern day, humor, and movie making
Fantastic job !
Thanks for the tip skeptic. Much appreciated!
Thor: Love and Thunder is the MCU equivalent of Cars 2 or Planet Sheen. Marvel and Disney made two rookie mistakes: they gave the director no direction and made the comic relief the main star.
Korg is now the textbook example of milking a joke. He’s completely overstayed his welcome and is a sign of how making Thor a jokey character was a bad move.
The first Thor is actually pretty good! Treats the character seriously, yet is still funny. Emotional resonance and payoff. Coherent plot. Thoroughly fell hard by Love and Thunder..
I blame Ragnarok for this. It was a movie full of dull jokes that accidently worked and after that Marvel thought all movies must be like that.
No, that started with Guardians of the Galaxy. That was the movie that taught the studio to make everything a joke.
Bathos has been known to be bad since ancient Greece. I don't think it's fair to call this millennial humor, it got big with genX and started in the 90s before ramping up in the 00s and is seen in all adult animation from The Critic to Dr Katz and best exemplified with Family Guy. It is standard in Adult Swim cartoons and all sitcoms of that period before finally reaching its nadir with Marvel. Don't get me wrong, millennials are not innocent; they have a far worse crime at their feet: the obsession with identity politics. But the crime of bathos is on Gen X. Today, we are living through the Gen X humor and millennial political narcissism. But neither generation seems to have developed good writers, just bad humor.
I understand the writers are mostly Gen X but the main target audience for this trash over the past decade has been Millenials.
Destination of truth
Nothing about that god scene was supposed to be comedic. You completely misunderstood the tone of that dialog. It was never meant to be outright funny or even funny at all. It was meant to illustrate how little the gods thought of him and his people. And you're comparing a Thor movie to Schindlers List? Now that's hilarious.
That MoM joke is not the worst joke in the movie. "Heydaguy Heydathere" is the worst joke in the movie. It's a completely and thoroughly nonfunctional joke on so many levels
"Illumi-whati?"
Arnold Schwarzenegger as mr freeze is iconic tho
A 50-minute video only for members? Well damn I’m glad I joined!
Members get early access.
I am retarded don’t mind me
Taika Waititi is a child who's been given too much freedom with expensive toys. How he's been allowed to make an idiot out of one of the greatest cast Marvel characters ever is absolutely beyond me. He should go back to making goofy student films, that's right up his alley.
I blame the success of Deadpool for this idea that every superhero needs to radiate cheeky humour. The Rick and Morty writers didn't help
On the example of the Blade trilogy. The first 2 movies are okay, humorous but work, while the third one, where Marvel had a hand in it, is Ryan Reynolds and low class jokes. I watched these three films recently and the first two had an atmosphere, but the third one was unpalatable and I'm not surprised that another one wasn't made. There are also smaller comments like keeping Blade hidden in his own movie and killing off old characters at the expense of new ones.
Also, he for some reason can't tell who is a vampire and a human now. Doesn't he accidentally kill a regular person in the 3rd one? Doesn't make sense
I was actually laughing at the Titanic stand up bit. _"That to do you get when you cross the Atlantic with the Titanic? About half way."_ LOOOOOL! Never heard that one, that's really good one lol.
I disagree with the example from Thor.
The disconnect between the tragedy and comedy is intentional to show how aloof and disrespectful the god is to the suffering of mortals. The jokes in that scene aren’t to make us laugh, they are to make us enraged at the god for making light of the situation and sympathetic to gorr killing him.
Thanks Despot, I needed this. The absolute insanity of New Zealand politics has been getting me down ( ...because I live in New Zealand) it makes less sense than the recent American election. So cheers !
Glad I could provide a bit of relief. I can't even tune in to UK politics most days, it's just crying over a dead horse at this stage.
Are you implying that our recent election did not make sense?
I guess if you don't live here, the American election might not make sense, but if you do then it makes perfect sense
Chin up dude, the UK is pretty effing s*it as well. They ain't beating me, and they ain't beating you
@@DespotofAntrimBeing a necrophiliac S and M fan whose into beastiality...
Millennial humor in general needs to stop.
But Josh Whedon is a 60 y/o man, is it really fair to call this humor millennial? Speaking as a millennial, I always felt like it were genxers who started this crap. They were the ones too cool for school.
If there is humor they should just do it well plain and simple because Gen Z humour is no different.
I think part of the problem is that most jokes need to have an element of surprise. Yes, you can laugh at the obvious, easy picking fruit, even at something lame and cringy, but this is the exception, not the rule. Usually a good joke takes you offguard due to the surprise. If the expected joke is not funny, then it is at least in character. But when there are too many such jokes, it does not cause laughter from the situation or immersion, but rather irritation. A lazy “dad joke” can make me laugh, but when it’s the WHOLE schtickof not just one film, but an entire franchise, you’ll feel sick like a first-timer after a roller coaster. This applies not only to Marvel, but to everyone. Velma and similar shows aren't funny because the subversion becomes so predictable that you're more likely to be surprised by the traditions and classic tropes than to make fun of them. For this reason I don't like the "new" South Park. They just take one thing and repeat it throughout the entire episode, which makes me quickly get tired of the material, especially if it's boring. The most striking example is that episode about pharmaceuticals, hummels and the nursing home. The first time they joked that “A NURSING HOUSE IS LIKE A PRISON”, it was funny the first time... But when the ENTIRE episode is dedicated to this and not a single joke on another topic, it’s just terrible. The only thing worse is Donald Derangment Syndrome. They took the BLUE character from the series and want the audience to seriously believe that he can turn red because of one remark about Mexicans in the very first seasons. This is the only trait in the entire character that can be called "red", and yet, they dunk on Donald through Harrison for several seconds and it was not funny, because their bias towards a real person prevents them from creating humor and they just pour out their feelings, which no one cares about, as recent results have shown. But I digress.
Thanks to Despot for the birthday video and I hope you change your mind about Andor when you realize that Disney does not want to change and cannot change. One pseudo-clever show cannot bring a course correction to the franchise. Cheer.s
Happy birthday. I think Andor is great.
@@DespotofAntrim, Oh wow. Thank you, Despot!
Your jokes during the titanic scene were way better than marvels jokes
11:14 - I still can't believe that this actor is the tech dude in Dredd.
And Brendan Gleeson’s son.
Also the main character of Ex Machina
if not for the Russo Brothers the MCU would've declined a lot sooner.
They did make Endgame though, which very much captured the worst aspects of the MCU including the awful overdone humor.
@DavidMartinez-ce3lp yeah Endgame sucked, and i was thoroughly dissapointed, 100% their worst contribution to the MCU. But still better than most anyone else contributed.
They're just as bad as the others. Starbucks joke 1 minute after Gamora's death.
Yep, 2 problems with Love and Thunder: Taika & Waititi.
Millennials are just dollar store Gen X. They keep trying to pretend to be their cool, older, brooding, punk brother that doesn’t GAF but just can’t pull it off.
The loss of the direct-to-dvd market is perhaps one of the worst things to happen to “entertainment”. You know like 75% of the crud were given today wouldn’t have ever made it to a theater in 1995.
Oh lord, the whole “4th wall/meta” thing, it was cute with Ferris Bueller, that’s it. Ryan Reynolds has never moved beyond Green Lantern, he’s that character forever. He has the acting range of an out of tune kazoo. I also put “The Rock” in this same bucket. Can I smell what The Rock is acting? Yes, I grew up in rural Ohio, I know what shite smells like.
And lastly, dear Hollywood, if you want to subvert my expectations, don’t subvert my expectations.
No one that doesn't care puts so much effort into showing they don't care.
@ where did I claim I didn’t. Please oh enlightened one, show me where words that don’t exist are.
@@c1ph3rpunk Only if you show us where he claims you didn't
@@vanillabatcave5677 you get butthurt over the millennial comment or something?
@@Tyra889 No? I'm talking about millenials who try way too hard.
The Lion King (1994) uses humor very effectively without ruining the tension. Zazu is established as being the one with the dry wit. The Hyenas are goofy minions but the elephant graveyard chase is still terrifying as well as when Scar tells them to kill Simba after Mufasa's death. Scar's drama queen remarks i.e "Oh dear I've said to much!" don't detract him from being one of the greatest Disney villains of all time. Also that line also preys on a young Simba's weakness of being an overconfident child to lure him into a trap. Timon and Pumba provide much needed comic relief after the seriousness of the previous ten minutes the (stampede and Mufasa's death). Rafiki's antics with Simba push Simba's arc forward. Even the zanier scenes like "Dress in drag and do the hula?!" joke ( Improved by Nathan Lane btw) or Rafiki's kung fu against the hyenas breaks some tension, yet the scenes with Simba and Scar are taken 100% seriously. It also helps when these characters are played by good comedic talent like Rowan Atkinson, Cheech Marin, Nathan Lane ect.
"marvel humour" or "buffy humour?"
The rot started in after buffy. It was spread to marvel via the intial infection of Wheadon (may he ever be remembered as the goodest of male feminists).
Buffy humour made sense, it’s the kind of humour a high school girl would have.
It really depends because in the first Avengers, they put a leash on him. And he was able to balance the humor and serious moments. In Age of Ultron, they let him off the leash and he had literally everyone quipping, even the villains.
I am tired of the marvel humour too, but the humour in this video is also not great. It's kind of ironic being told how the humour sucks in big budget films then proceeds to have long winded jokes and skits land flat. I understand some of it is in the taste or irony but I also feel a genuine attempt at humour is there.
I like the commentary as there are a lot of good points but when the American accent comes out multiple times for those skits I'm left rolling my eyes tbh.
irony
"weekend at palpis" Is funnier than any marvel joke 😂😂
Joss Whedon has a talent for writing humor in the voices of his characters. For example, only Tony Stark could get say something like "Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist."
The rest of Marvel just writes interchangable observational quips for dialogue and calls it a day.
Despot im sorry but all of your examples of bad humor didnt work cause you said some funny shit they should hire you for comedy
And HOLY SHIT you named the Deadpool humor style with the Godfather parody LMFAO!
The opening scene in Thor was the only part of the movie that worked.
The tone wasn't comedic, the point was to show how utterly that particular god doesn't care about his subjects, the tragedy Bale's character is experiencing is less than nothing to him, barely an entertainment. Considering it's the only god Bale's character encountered so far, it sets up his motivation further. Yes, that god is a caricature, but it is appropriate. And there are real people, living and historical alike, with immense wealth and power who ARE like that, so that whole interaction is not even entirely unrealistic.
If only it would set up a better movie. Something with the tone and acting of the first Thor film.
everyone thought thor ragnarok was a master piece.
to me that was the ultimate final nail in the coffin that was thors characters...
"look how they butchered my boy"
Damn you for simultaneously making me hate modern writing AND laugh at you changing up old movies with modern writing.
I am of the belief that Marvel "humor" has ruined media in general, not just Marvel movies. It's infecting games and books too.
"millennial writing," it's been dubbed. And yes, it is cancer.
Which is weird, because I remember enjoying it for 2-3 years. Rick and Morty, Family Guy, the Avengers. Everyone was doing it, and nobody minded. But looking back.. gag reflex. No thanks. It hasn't aged well at all.
@@bluedistortions It's like a comedian who only has one joke. Yeah it's funny the first couple of times. Now it's just sad and kind of pathetic.
Thank you for not shilling for D&W, and calling it out. The other 2 deadpool films were able to balance humor and drama well; they left dramatic scenes alone, and the humor was on point and in character. D&W is just sludge
It’s embarrassing how many people thought that “movie” was anything approaching ok, when in reality it was just another giant soulless cash grab; it just happened to have people you like in it, so you fall for the bait like a mindless drone. Then you have the gall to call shills the same thing. How pathetic
Best 50 minutes I’ve spent watching this. Brilliant as always!
The "battle humor" can be done well too, Legolas and Ghimli have a few moments throughout LOTR, you just can't ruin the tone to do it.