ALL ABOUT THE BITS I USE| controversial tack talk
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I think a video on some of your favorite exercises to get a horse soft, engaged, on the vertical, ect. would be really interesting!
Yes! Can you please do a video of the excercises to help with that?
This would be a good video!! But guys try serpentines and lots of changing the diagonal. I’d say it gets the rider to think where they’re going and the horse often relaxes through these pretty simple movements. Also lateral work and transitions get a horse working and often with time learn to accept the contact. They need to know it’s not a fixed horrid place to be 😜🙂😃🙈
I personally prefer not using bits. However, I only rode pleasure, trails, hacking, etc. There's definitely less control and communication when you go bit less. Not every horse can go bit less. One of my favorite horses was a proud gelded, super smart and tricksy 10 year old appy. While I could trail ride him bit less, if other people tried, he'd take off, tree them, sit down like a dog, basically whatever he felt like doing. Bits, used correctly and humanely, are not evil. It's an individual decision for every horse and rider.
Tango's Mom bell this is SO well said !
This was really well said. I feel like a lot of people from both sides think what they do is better bits or bitless wise when it really just depends on the horse. I've ridden some horses that worked beautifully bitless and some that just didn't like the pressure on their nose. Every horse likes something different and its nice to see people that acknowledge that.
I loved how you talked about using flat work to fix issues! I ride a small horse who used to canter on her toes, would run through my hands, fall out of the canter, rush to jumps, and was horribly spooky. People kept telling me to bit her up and that it was the only way to fix her. I instead took a month (not really that long) and only flatted her. I kept her canter work short and on a circle at first, and we worked our way up to normal canter work. Now Sally Collins (an A level hunter/jumper judge in Washington state) says that she has a beautiful canter on both flat work and in jumping. I didn't change anything with her tack, and she is now working in a proper frame and has a canter you can sit. She also doesn't fall out of the canter any more because she was just not strong enough to hold herself together before. I am so happy that I took the time (again not even an excessive amount) to fix the issue. She is more comfortable and is becoming a calmer horse because of it.
PS: I love all your videos and how you talk about controversial topics like this. You are so knowledgeable, and it is nice to hear someone talk about tack from a factual point of view! Instead of what I have heard a lot in the equine world of well it is just what I have always done, or my trainer told me to and I fallowed without looking into it at all.
My riding school had the same issue with one of their mares, with some people asking for harder bits or even getting rid of her. My riding school instead chose to keep the same riders on her every week (I was one of them because I'd been riding that mare since she arrived and we knew each other well). Lots and lots of flat work to help her with her balance issue and the anxiety she had because of it. I wanted to take her to local dressage shows (at a low level) in her last active year, because she really enjoyed dressage, but I had a really bad fall from her while jumping, then the riding school looked into what caused the fall - I had told them it didn't feel like the sort of buck she'd usually do when she'd be too nervous in front of the jump. They discovered the start of some arthosis at the nape of her neck and started organising her retirement as a consequence.
So to all the riders who suggested hard bits and all: nope lol, just flat work, patience, and actually paying attention to the horse.
Kate Anderson yep flat work and ground work are the two things that usually get neglected. You can absolutely tell which horses they are too. Very important to have a good foundation and fix issues at the root instead of slapping a quick fix on.
Kate Anderson my horse used to have the issue of falling out of canter, running into it, or fighting her just to do it. This past spring, using my new knowledge, I did over a month of just walk and trot with a variety of exercises to get her in awesome shape. One day I asked for the canter and it was phenomenal! Others would have told me to use a whip or spurs or have someone chase her on the ground, “show her who’s boss.” I refused all of that because I knew she was just out of shape.
raleigh is punching the air rn
best comment on a video like this I have ever heard
Raleigh doesn't use bits personally, but she said that she doesn't hate bits if they are used the right way...
Have you ever even watched her videos? I'm pretty sure she would have no problem with this video since she has stated countless times that she has no problem with bits or people who use bits correctly she just prefers to not use bits
This comment is perfection 😂😂😭
If someone needs to use a harsh bit, they need to just stop riding. If someone needs a quickfix, stop riding. Unless a rider has patience and empathy, they should ride a dirt bike instead. I love your training philosophy and dislike of gimmicks.
I agree with you completely. I hate people who say they are a trainer and then proceeded to use bridles that put pressure on their horses face and use horrible bits. I'm not against bits but there's a difference between easy (its the only word I can think of) snaffle and curbs and harsh snaffle and curbs.
@@hannahmarie1155 Seems like people always want the fastest way to benefit only themselves so they can win a little blue ribbon. Working with horses is always a process and never an event. Expecting to train a horse in such a short time is only going to set you 1,000 steps back.
"I'm ever learning" YES. If only more horse owners and just people in general would adopt this mentality. It's not hard to accept that you don't know everything and that you can change your opinions based on facts you've learned.
Great video as always, and so informative!
I love the break down on the different bits. Hope you are doing well Shelby xxx (And your mum too)
Love how you just have some wine next to you lol
I have a very chewie / rubby horse and the only bit I've found that kinda works is a double jointed D ring, also curved. I would love to go bitless but he pretends he doesnt know what hes doing lol we dont ride much so that doesnt help lol love to know all this info, definitely learnt a couple of things
Another informative post. I'm old school and have just always used a single jointed full check most of the time. I'm going to give the double jointed a try. They make sense. Thanks Shelby. 🤗
Thank you for sharing your immense knowledge! I love how you're always considering the horse's comfort and continually learning as much as you can about the pros and cons of various tack.
I love your channel, Shelby! My barn closed because of the virus and I can't even see my boys :( I do saddleseat and I agree with everything you had to say. We school all our horses in snaffles-- with a few exceptions on our stronger horses. I've really admired my barn for being so respectful towards our horses' mouths without any of that twisted wire business. Thanks for making this video! xxx
You're so lucky! I had to ride mine in a twisted snaffle double bridle
We always need more bit videos! This is such a controversial subject, that could result in serious injuries to both horse and riders. Any bit can be just as abusive as the next and even bitless can be abusive if you or your horse is not properly trained for this. Let's all just learn and educate ourselves and be willing to try something new.
Flashes are often tightened too much and used for the wrong reason. Their role is to keep the mouth from opening, not to enhance the bit at all
I always been told flashes are to keep the tounge under the bit.
@The Magic Twister I've only known one horse that puts his tongue over the bit. Not because it hurts him but because he has so much anxiety but I'm from having his mouth in his first home that he and locks onto the bit when you try to take up any sort of contact we switched him into a Waterford and a cavason since he's mostly gotten over his anxiety
I bet Raleigh will make a video "talking" about this. Saying that everything you said is wrong!😂😂😂😂
This is a really, really fantastic video! You explain each and every decision that you've made and you back up your reasoning very well. This is rare to find nowadays, as I find a lot of people will say what they do, but they either don't say why, or don't actually know why they actually do it. Also, the fact that you are willing and openly speak about what you would change about your previous training methods is wonderful! I've been following your channel for a while and I'm really glad I found it! Hope you and the family (including the fuzzy ones) are healthy and well :)
I really love the fact that you just have a glass of wine next to you 😂. I’m personally a huge fan of Eggbutt snaffles and French links. D rings are nice too. I don’t like loose rings much though.
Finally. A video talking about bits without calling anyone pieces of shit and horse abusers. Looking at you Raleigh👀
Used to use a double twisted wire on my very strong horse. I now regret doing that. Was suggested to use the bit by a trusted trainer at the time and was naive. Didn't even think twice about doing research on it. Changed barns and bits. Finally watched some bit videos to learn. Switched to a three-ring elevator and he's great in it. I will never use a twisted wire again. Problems can be fixed in a much softer way. I love my horse to pieces and thank god that I finally figured out that he wasn't comfortable in the bit I was using.
This is probably one of the best videos on youtube about bits that I've seen. I love how you made a point about people buying horses off the track and jumping them waay too soon. A lot of show jumpers have really heavy hands and don't think twice about pulling on the horse's face and upping the bit when pulling is not enough. You don't see dressage rider's on hot horses pulling their face off, they literally can control the horse with seat only. A horse that already rushes on the flat will rush ten times harder over fences. Snaffle should be the way for all horses.
Even hackamores with long shanks and weird contraptions are really hard on the horses face, and you do see a lot of people really getting in there and pulling with hackamores thinking that the force they're applying is going somewhere else than right on the horses nose and jaw. Also I hate to see when anti-bit riders switch to mechanical hackamores with the all famous long shank. Like what exactly changed there? Other than the guilt-free pulling, nothing really..
I really like that you included the baucher because I don't see it mentioned very often. I used to do dressage work in that bit with my old horse and it really helped teach her contact.
Ever since I started following I have to say I love your approaches to everything! Thanks to you I think more critically about what is being put in a horse’s mouth regardless if a trainer recommends it or not. You’re definitely a person I trust to look to for any kind of bit or training advice!!
THANK YOU for addressing the need to understand the root of why the horse isn't accepting the bit over using a band-aid solution like a flash, crank noseband, martingale, or harsher bit. I see the latter so often, especially with lesson and competition horses. People would rather not address the root of the problem and keep the horse in the program/show schedule rather than take the time to address the issue through training, and then they wonder why their horse still has the same issues or is getting worse. People are always in a rush to get things done and push off these problems instead of taking more time to better develop the horse. Personally I think it's very selfish to just keep putting off the issue and masking it through harsher pieces of equipment. It doesn't show understanding, and it's to the horse's detriment. Unfortunately this approach is the status quo in the horse world, and I wish there were more people like you, especially at higher levels, that think like you do. The people at the top (coaches, instructors, trainers, prominent figures like Olympians, etc.) set the example for everyone else, especially young riders and those new to horses. Thanks for being a positive model for understanding the horse. It's awesome to see younger people take up this mindset.
Yay! A new video and it's a great one. You took time to explain and give you viewpoint and that's important. I happen to agree with you. Thanks for sharing and giving people sometimes to think about.
Awesome video Shelby!! This is why I love your channel, it's so informative and I learn a lot from it every single time.
The schooling pony I often ride at my barn used to be ridden in a pelham, but since I changed her bit to a D-ring snaffle she's been going so much better!! I'm the only one to actually ride her in this bit, and with me she is honestly a different pony.
I agree that bitting up when coming across a problem isn't the solution at all, flatwork changes a LOT.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us Shelby!
Thank-you for speaking for those who cannot. And thank-you for being kind to these big, gentle, spooky creatures.
Great video Shelby. During this video I was reflecting on my past riding experience and habits up until now and like you are learning and growing. You are very right in saying try to fix the issues on the flat before changing the bit and also making sure the ‘harsher’ bits are used with the correct hands.
I've been watching your videos for about a year now, and I've learned so much about bitting and equipment! When I was younger, I was fine with bitting up or adding more equipment, but now I know better. While I've been watching your videos, I was able to bit my jumper mare down from a Kimberwicke to a single joint Happy Mouth D ring and she also goes in a loose ring single joint rubber bit. She does fine in a double-joint, but for some reason, I think she may "prefer" the single joint rubber bits. Her flatwork has never been better, and she's finally realizing that contact isn't awful! Thanks so much for your insight, Shelby. Love your videos! 💕
Literally everything you said I agree with!! Thank you for making this bit talk, I learned so much!
I really enjoyed this video and I appreciate your honesty! It's great that you keep on improving your methods instead of being stuck in the same patterns! There's so many opinions and approaches in horse world and it seems everyone thinks they know better. For a fairly inexperienced rider and horse owner like me it gets super confusing to hear a million solutions from a million sources about how I should ride and do things, how I should force my horse to collect (she doesn't have muscles to do that!) by pulling her head and when something goes wrong all you may hear is "I told you so". I enjoy listening to you, though, because not only I agree but also I can tell you're not quick to judge, just sharing your experience. Stay safe in these troubled times! Love from Finland ❤️
honestly thank you so much for making this video. i’ve always been trained by trainers that if the horse isn’t doing what you want it to do then get a bigger or harsher bit. this video made bits make so much more sense to me. i will now not use single jointed bits anymore, because i don’t want pain to be done to the roof of my horses mouths.
This video is just jam-packed with useful info! It would be best to run it at 3/4 speed if you want to keep up! lol. 😆 I love what you said about finding out why your horse isn’t going well, rather than adding another control piece. (Paraphrased) Thanks for the video and stay well, Shelby and extended family (all species.) 💜🦋
The loose ring double jointed bit is what I use and I love it. As you said, it's good for horses that lean and my horse has a tendency to be a freight train. He responds well to it.
Thank you for sharing your information, so very knowledgeable. Hope after a difficult winter, this summer brings you good thingd
When I bought my horse he came with all his tack. He was ridden western so he was used to his tack so thats how I rode him for awhile. As I transitioned to riding him English flat saddle I used a Phelam bit with two reigns. He was a good boy and I had many years of pleasure riding him.
Really enjoyed this video! Thank you for taking the time and doing this.
I would really like to see a video on the exercises you do to get your horses working soft and in frame. Or even a video on how to get a horse into shape!
Anytime Ive asked this question in my area the response i get is always "wet saddle pads"....so not very helpful 😅
My horse tends to rush at fences and has gotten golds in pony jumpers but I only ride him in a loose-ring snaffle. This is because he never was ridden in a stronger bit and when we tried it with him he just tried to fight me even more. Also people have told me to try riding him in a martingale, but that didn’t work either. He just started throwing his head and he started pulling. We’ve figured out that he goes perfectly when we just leave him alone with a pretty weak bit and he will actually frame and carry himself when I just leave him alone.
Really great video. Your plank analogy was great!!!!
Very interesting video! I learned a lot again. Thanks! 😀
I use a double jointed snaffle for my morgan arab cross. When we bought him we started him in a chain bit and then broke him into the snaffle. My mare used single jointed,thin,slow twist bit. It was very smooth and we only schooled. She was a typical mare and pulled my arm out of its socket once. She’s happy in retirement and probably doesn’t miss work. They’re living happily and VERY well fed.
Very informative and well said. Stay safe from COVID- 19. Many Blessings for good Health for you and your family. Best Regards from Ontario, Canada, Jenn.
Jennifer Lehman thank you for your ongoing kindness, Jenn❤️ Sending love and beat wishes to you and those you love.
Lisa (Shelby’s mom)
Super informative. Thank you.
I needed this. I just got an Ottb
This was awesome! Shelby, you really know your shit.
As I've always said, bits are tools and should be used properly just as any and all tack and training aides. Every bit has a specific purpose and should be used appropriately. A lot of people will argue that a "broken" bit are not snaffle's. Had people try to tell me that a Tom Thumb isn't a snaffle lol it's categorized as a "western snaffle". There are so many different types of bits it can get confusing, even for us experienced horse people. I love the "peanut", I've always called the "peanut" a dog bone. Any bit improperly used can be bad. I always start babies with O or D rings as well. I ride both bit and bitless on my horses. It seems like they know what they'll be doing by what "clothes" I put on them. I only use long shanks on gaited horses. My QH knows if he wears his argentine that he will have to "work" (barrels) and if he wears the stop n turn (bitless) that it's a pokey trail ride and he's allowed to grab bites of grass along the ride but with a bit, he won't even ask. How funny that you had to use a twist on an Arabian, I too had to use a twist on polish Arabian I had, when I first got her and she actually broke it. Unfortunately she was one of the horses that have been stolen from me and never recovered or returned. Thank you for sharing this and educating me on dressage bits and bridles, I love watching dressage, but I am not experienced in that discipline. I had purchased an Iberian Warmblood in the past that I had to take a few lessons just to learn how to communicate with him, he was dressage trained. I miss that boy a lot, life changes forced me to have to sell him :0(
Lynne Rocco but those people are right, because a Tom Thumb (the American version) is not a snaffle. the shanks mean that it works off of leverage and it is a leverage bit, as is an argentine again because the shanks offer leverage and snaffles inherently cannot utilize leverage or else they are not true snaffles.
mlaenie ~ a snaffle is a broken bit, regardless of the cheek pieces or shanks, the actual bit that goes into the horses mouth is the exact same as an O ring or D ring snaffle bit. A non-snaffle is a solid mouth piece and there are just as many different types of those bits for different purposes. I understand what you're saying regarding direct and leverage pressure of not calling leverage bits non snaffles but in my own terms, I respectfully disagree. :0)
Lynne Rocco it's not a snaffle and to call it one is factually incorrect. the mouthpiece does not determine whether it uses leverage or not, the shanks do, as the action of the shanks is for the bit to work off of leverage even though the mouthpiece itself calls for a non-leverage action. a broken mouthpiece on a non-leverage, non-gag makes it a snaffle, but a broken mouthpiece on a shank, or even a jointed mouthpiece on a gag does not make it a snaffle and this is a very dangerous trap that some riders fall victim to thinking. otherwise by the logic you're reasoning with, a mullen mouth snaffle would be a curb solely because it has an unbroken mouthpiece. this just isn't true since a mullen mouth snaffle does not use leverage or gag action and is therefore classified as a true snaffle.
mlaenie ~ I am not going to argue with you, please re-read my reply comment. As I stated, I am aware and understood what you said about direct and leverage bits and also stated in my own terms I respectfully disagree as to what I consider snaffles. I factually call bits what they are actually named, I.E. O ring, D ring, Egg butt, Argentine which is now known as a Phelham, Gag, Slide, Roller, French link.....each different type of bit has its own purpose whatever they are. People constantly change what they call things with horse tack for instance the girth is also known as a cinch and some call it a bellyband and we all know that it does not go anywhere near a horse's belly.
Also, per Wikipedia- bits are further described by the style of mouthpiece that goes inside the horse's mouth as well as by the type of bit ring or bit shank that is outside the mouth, to which the reins are attached.
Lynne Rocco i see that you edited your reply, but i don't see where you said at all that you understood what i said. i see you claiming that i'm only talking about the design of the cheek pieces in relation to what makes a bit a snaffle or not. so clearly I need to reiterate that i'm only talking about shanks in relation to the mouthpiece. if it has shanks, it is not and never will be a snaffle. a snaffle can have any array of cheek piece design so long as the reins do not attach to a shank, but because of that, a Tom Thumb, an argentine, and any other variety of jointed + shanked bits on the market cannot be called true snaffles because they do not have and therefore cannot use the same action as a snaffle when you pick up on the reins. they will always use leverage.
i'm not looking to argue this vehemently, but the problem i have here is that you came around stating your personal opinion as though it is a fact when it isn't. you could easily spread misinformation this way so if i were you i would personally not go around boasting that everybody else is wrong when we say that tom thumbs and the like are not snaffles based on principle. if it really was all just your personal opinion and you're truly not trying to cause any trouble or mean anything by it, perhaps you could lead with that in the future.
i never did say anything about any of these bits not being useful or not having a purpose, or anything else along those lines. i only argued against your reasoning that a snaffle is any bit with a jointed mouthpiece, because it's not the truth.
I agree with most everything you said. Two points that I would disagree with...
1. The crank noseband has been found to create a more even pressure around the face which alleviates pressure points that can be caused from a standard noseband. You're absolutely correct in that it should be adjusted to two fingers as all nosebands should. It's not to be used to crank the mouth shut and not allow them to move their jaw as that's an integral part of creating a horse who's soft, supple, and through the back - they must be able to move the jaw. I would also agree that this noseband is misused often and is often adjusted too tight.
2. Flash attachments were not designed to clamp the mouth shut. The purpose of a flash is to stabilize the bit, making it easier for a horse to understand the cues more clearly without the bit bouncing around and being too mobile in the mouth. Just as with the crank, it should not be adjusted so tight as to hinder the horses's ability to open the mouth and move the jaw. And just like the crank, is often adjusted too tightly and used for incorrect reasons. The flash creates a "seat" for the bit to rest on so it doesn't sink too low in the mouth and stabilized bits with a lot of excess movement.
100% agree about your discussion on training aids! Most are shortcuts to find a "look", not correctly riding your horse.
100% agree about your thoughts on building a horse's muscles and avoiding fatigue/injury.
WoodstockLover8 I would say the vast majority of people using cranks are using them with the intention of making the mouth close and same with flashes. Even with most professionals, when they suggest a flash it’s all related to movement in the mouth so their original use is no longer relevant when their current use far exceeds that. Draw reins would also fall into this.
i personally occasionally use draw reins very loosely on my horse to encourage his head down.i never use them tighter than needed and once he has brought his head down i will release the pressure of the draw reins untill i need them again.they have really helped me with encouraging his head down and he now maintaines a nice contact in an outline while using his back end without them
All my horses have done well in bitless with whatever I do I also don’t do lots of competing where you are required to use a bit. I love the nalanta bitless bridles like what Jesse drent uses that’s what I use I don’t like dr cooks bridles or hackamores they just get more aggressive easier. I have calm soft horses and I just don’t see no point in using a bitted bridle as of right now. I do have my own opinions with certain bits like everyone.
Thank you so much for making this video. You have an objective view which is really valuable. I really, really appreciate this.
Ur horse is cute
Weird Equestrians Thanks! I don’t have her anymore but she’s in a few videos on my channel.
yess my fav equestrian icon!! :D great video!!
I’d rather use a snaffle any day of the week than a mechanical hackamore or Dr Cook bridle. I usually use a bosal or rope halter but as long as you’re responsible with a bit the main problem is just the horse not being able to effectively swallow, it’s for sure not ‘abuse’ to use a bit, even if it’s leveraged.
This is an awesome video, very informative❤️love your channel
thank you for this video on bits ❤
Loved it! Perfect expenations amazing job!!!!!
This is so true ! My old thoroughbred mare was crazy and I mean everyone was terrified of her and she used to plough around the arena bucking, rearing everything. She was ALWAYS in a loose ring egg butt and we really got somewhere after a while and she was a lot calmer coming to fences after doing a lot of different flat exercises 💖. She had raced point to point as a youngster 5 times and only finished once 🙈 We got her schooling and jumping nicely (although she could be explosive after fences sometimes ) after a while and we got to a point where we could sell her on 😊
Very interesting! Thanks for the knowledge
that's a good selection! I think if you would like to try something new, maybe check out winderen bits?
If you are looking for another dressage bridle anytime soon look at eponia equestrian sport. I’ve used a few of their bridles and there are all nice and you can find black bridles without cranks and removable flashes.
I LOVED the thumbnail 😂
I'll have to watch this. It looks so interesting :)
I use a loose ring/double jointed happy mouth bit, with a copper roller, for my 19 yr old warmblood/thoroughbred cross. I use this bit when we flat, or even for very relaxed jumping. I keep a very close eye on it for chew marks! But Magnum stays really soft with this bit, and after almost a year it still does not have any chew marks or sharp points. I definitely agree, however, for horses that tend to chew on their bit, they are not the right choice!
I agree with the hatred of the twisted wire. Although I do use shanked bits because I ride gaited breeds who need it to set the head. I learned a bunch in this video thanks
My horse riding might get cancelled due to Corona virus.
Dressage diva yeah mine did I was literally crying 😭
My show was supposed to be yesterday. It was cancelled!😭
S M oh no!
Dressage diva I’m so lucky that only my group ride got cancelled
I love how you call the elliptical link a peanut😂 good video sending love to the family❤️
Haha me too! My brain just said noooooo don't use a peanut, horse might have nut allergies!
Your face in the cover gives me life😂❤️
You can use Sealtex natural rubber to cover bit mouth pieces and re wrap chewed rubber bits. You can get it at racetrack tack shops. Have you used it before? It really stretches thin when you wrap the bits. I learned it from an old racetracker. Thank you for this info. Well done!
Because you mentioned tricks/tips to stop thoroughbreds, can you film a video about those? My mare has never run off with me but especially in spring she can be rather spicy and I would feel better if I knew some tricks or exercises to train 😂
Also I would be interested in excercises to stop her from rushing to jumps. I am not a jumper, it is more to provide some enrichment and she looooves jumping 😆 which is in this case part of the problem because as soon as she sees a jump she is on. I would say she is schooled well in dressage, she holds the frame constant and nicely and generally does well in it so I would think the foundation is not the problem in this case 😊 I feel like it is more her temperament getting in the way of things 😁
Not sure if this will help, but if my mare ever bolts on me, I use what is called a pulley rein. I basically brace one of my reins on her neck and then pull back on the other rein, turning her in a tight circle, which diverts the forward energy into the circle. Hope this helps!
@@invalidusername2907 I know the principle of that technique but a lot of our riding paths are not suitable for it due to the terrain or location 😅 so for me it would be most likely too dangerous to trip and fall when doing it 🤔 but thank you anyways! 😊😁
I have a Inno trust eggbutt and both my mares love it 😊😊 great video
I personally use Mylar bits but I do have the problem with it locking up but the D ring doesn’t do as often
My instructor and I recently made the decision to switch my appendix hunter jumpers from a slow twist eggbut, to a plain hunter D ring:) ig that’s an improvement, she’s a lot keener steering and my hand aids in it:D
@@gerrycoleman7290 what fantasy world do you live in? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I use a D ring dog bone but and also a happy mouth on my other horse and she doesn’t chew on them so it’s good for her!
It’s the apocalypse I’m pretty sure nine would pass as legal age at this point 🤪
Highcapacitymama 😂😂😂
I SWEAR by the Bombers ported barrel eggbut!! My horse is super sensitive and has a tendency to get her tongue over the bit (but hates wearing a flash), so the port makes it more difficult for her. It is literally the only bit she'll go in, highly recommend.
I dont ride with nosebands unless I go to shows but not because of horse behaviour just people
This is educational and clear and just fucking awesome dude
My horse had trouble white collection so I used a single jointed snaffle and I’m trying to go back to the one with the penut
My horse was put in a bit he REALLY did not like by his last owner. He was put in a single jointed snaffle, but he has an incredibly shallow pallet, so the bit speared the roof of his mouth the entire time. Because of this, he would shove his head in the air. The trainer who owner him then put him in german reins until he got bloody sores from them rubbing. After, he was switched to a neck stretcher. Now, I have a 14 year old horse that will never be ridden again due to being neurological. He has bilateral THO. This has greatly changed my view on any sort of gadgets to aid in keeping the head down when ridden or lunged. I personally will never use them again. Also, this brings to light just how important it is to find a bit that your horse likes. It doesn't matter if you like it, or like how your horse goes in it. Your horse should be the one deciding. Now, with any horse I ride, I will have a day of bit testing, where I see what the horse is most comfortable in.
love this! Thanks for info. Hope you are doing okay
The Myler bit you didn't know the name of is called a comfort snaffle, loose ring (level 1). I use the same bit with a D ring
I’d love to see a video on dealing with heaviness especially on the back side of jumps. I have a very heavy QH who is capable of pulling me over his neck. I’ve done a lot of flat work and pole work. I’m riding him in a waterford dring and it’s helped significantly. I know you are not a fan of those.
I find it fascinating how many types of bits there are. There is a bit that suits any type of horse, which is really good. And then there are bitless bridles too, so any horse can find a happy way to ride. Some prefer bits and some don't.
My favorite bits are the ones with a little (or bigger) "peanut" in the middle. They seem more comfortable than hard bits with only two pieces, I'd imagine those aren't very flexible. I'm no expert though! The riding school I'm at has these three-piece bits for many of the ponies. One had a hackamore even, another had a rubber bit. So they seem to try their best at having the bits adapted to each horse.
Another thing I'd like to talk about quickly: Flash nosebands. I don't really get why some feel the need to shut their horse's mouth, especially when riding inside where there's no grass for them to try and chew, but if they're nippy or even bite and they're lesson horses, it might be useful, both so the riders don't get hurt and the horses can't bite eachother. But in other cases maybe it's not that necessary to have a flash. Especially not a really tight one.
My goodness! I looked up western bits and Jesus, what are those for!? Does the thing in the middle of the bit go up into the roof of their mouth when the reins are pulled? So gross! I hate feeling something poke into the roof of my mouth. It triggers a response that wants my throat to vomit. And even if it doesn't poke that far back, it's uncomfortable. I think I prefer normal bits, thanks...
Icy Fleckz the thing about western bits such as spade bits is that they're not ever meant to be ridden with a steady contact unlike bits that utilize direct pressure from the reins such as snaffles. the cues that you give with the reins are meant to be very slight because the shanks add leverage equaling 3 pounds of pressure for every pound pulled (not that you should ever, ever need to pick up the reins on these bits with any more than a couple ounces because a finished bridle horse is a horse who responds to the slightest touch of the reins). they're also only meant to be used with very well-trained horses who can comfortably and consistently carry their heads on the vertical to avoid the bit rotating and poking into the roof of their mouth or digging into their tongue if they duck behind. the spade rests on the tongue and relieves tongue pressure when the reins are pulled, but it should never be pulled hard enough to jab a horse in the roof of the mouth. my mom has one that currently sits as decoration in our house and the spade is designed with a curve to fit the shape of the tongue and avoid directly stabbing the horse in the roof of the mouth if the reins ever did get pulled too hard by mistake. obviously you do not have to like them, they're a very advanced tool and very few horse people are ever really qualified to use them, but they're really not as medieval as they may look on a first impression.
@@mlaenie4170 Yeah, that makes sense, I'm just worried because there are a lot of idiots out there who have no respect for these animals. They pull hard anyway, and even if it doesn't exactly hurt the horse, I can imagine the discomfort. I hope you understand. I also have a fear of vomiting so it strenghtens the assosication of these western bits with misery.
A bonus fact, the fear of vomiting becomes even worse when you have a sensitive stomach who can't even eat macaroonis (or however you spell it) with sauce and meatballs. And I'm the type of person who is quite selective and I need variation so I can't just eat everything else.
Thanks, Shelby great video as always! Totally agree with you regarding the twisted wire snaffle, very harsh bit. My new OTTB, who I got early January, straight from GGF- Golden Gate Fields, I watched her gallop before I bought her. The bit is they used on her, I've never seen before, in 40 years of owning horses. It was a straight across (no jointed snaffle effect), hollow, piece of metal with holes drilled all around the metal mouthpiece. It looked like a piece of metal Swiss cheese. Have you seen such a bit used at your racing farm, that you ride for? I really would like to know the name of it, just curious... Thanks!
At 24:16 I completely agree! I think if you get the body right the head will come.
My mare hated her Myler, and it’s a shame since they are so damn expensive!!! I don’t like happy mouths either, they’re fine when they’re brand new but the chew marks are so sharp 😩. However, I disagree with you on the Baucher cheek piece, it does add leverage. It’s not as much as others, but it does have an elevator mouvement. (Sorry if I don’t explain it well, English isn’t my first language). But most people don’t use it the proper way :/
That being said, it was a very good video you made there. Very informative. I like how articulate you are. So thanks for sharing your thoughts with us :)
Andy StPierre The bitting specialists that have weighed in on it have specifically said that it cannot add leverage because of how it works on the face. I believe them coupled with the fact that it is dressage legal because leverage bits are not dressage legal.
Shelby Dennis ohhh, I never thought of it that way. Guess it makes sense ;)
The horse i used to ride went in a twisted wire, i never liked it but i wasnt in a position to change it
15:17 is the exact bit Spot goes in lol. Id try to get him in a double joint but hes 32 and just walk trot, I don't think he'd even care 🤣
Personally, I use a double bridle on one of my horses (she does go in a snaffle) because she is happiest in that. However, I've been riding her for over 2 years and have tried a load of other bits and I would never ride a horse in a double unless they've either shown to a high enough level that that's their main bridle or I've tried everything else. I also would NEVER jump in a double or use one unless the horse was established on the flat in a snaffle
Finally, someone else who realizes that baucher IS NOT a leverage bit! 😂 It puts a tad more pressure on the poll, which I’ve always found useful for horses that don’t bend as easily.
Hey! Bauchers actually don't create poll presure, it's a common misconecption I fell to in the past. The link Shelby put in the description talks about this
Have you tried putting a latex wrap over the happy mouth? I did that with a mare I had and she loved it. She was also a chewer.
Thanks for this video. Bits are not bad, they are useful tools. I went to the most basic bit for my horse: mullen mouth eggbutt. He also goes bitless, but he likes the Herm Sprenger hackamore for that.
What is your favorite bitless bridle for a horse?
My favorite would be A Nalanta Bitless Bridle very soft on the nose
I really love how information this video is! Its truley gave me a lot of useful information.💜I was hoping that you could give me a suggestion on a bit to use for my horse. She is an Arab mare, very crazy. On a good day, she's perfect, but when its an off day, it gets a little ugly. Gracie loves to race, and shes very strong for her size. I've always used a kimberiwich single jointed snaffle on her. Is there a better alternative to try? Ive had her for almost two years now and I think that we are in a super good place right now. When I first started riding her, we struggled and I felt out of control in the show ring, but with more groundwork, etc we are good now. It's not that we are having trouble, just wanted to know your opinion.
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I think flashes have become a fad.
Great video.
Stay safe too!
I like this video because she is not trying to use the bit to control the horse and she is also explaining why you shouldn't you harsh bits. All of the bits she showed were fairly soft and don't offer a lot of control. I personally don't like bits and always prefer to ride in a rope halter or a hackamore. However I have one horse I ride in a eggbut snaffle only when we go to shows because he was a barrel horse and he gets very stong. Otherwise I ride in a bitless bridle or just a neck rope. I feel everyone it right to there own opinions.
i looove double jointed bits... i wonder if the mustang i ride would prefer a double jointed bit to her single jointed loose ring.
also! the mustang used to ride in a slow twist and i was the student, not the trainer, so it wasn’t my place to say anything but after we rode in a snaffle for dressage, i started realizing how awful the slow twist was. thankfully another trainer stepped in and we ride in a snaffle for everything we do and she is SO much happier
My favorite all time bits are Bouchers (hanging cheek to some) and eggbutt snaffles. All double jointed for my own horses. :D
Question to anyone. Would you recommend an anatomical (curved) jointed mouthpiece or a straight jointed mouthpiece? I want to order a new bit for my new horse as he’s currently in a Pelham which is not good for him personally.
I had 1 horse who preferred a single joint. Such a weird mare, she also hated the smell of leather.
I'd guess size on the cost difference. I like the look of the crank personally. I dont crank it but the wide noseband looks great in most horses. Also I feel like the extra padding cant hurt
But yah my eggbutt oval/lozenge is my favorite choicr. But honestly the longer I ride, the more I really dont care what a horse uses. Except twisted bits. Just no. I've made the mistake of sticking to a snaffle for too long when switching to a Pelham or a waterford would have kicked the problem in the butt instead of suffering and letting the pony get away with murder.
My mare uses a very simple kimberwicke that is honestly not much more than a D or baucher with new people usually because she honestly just prefers that particular bit I happen to think its the port (even more than a standard Mullen mouth)
My mare also doesn’t like double jointed snaffles and I went back to single jointed snaffles and she’s back to being calm and happy. I’m thinking she’s the type that doesn’t like tongue pressure. I tried double jointed snaffles because I read that tongue pressure can lower the head but she instead would raise it and resist the pressure. With the basic single jointed snaffles she goes low and slow. Go figure.
GREAT video!!! :)
Enjoy your glass of wine! 😊
My daughter rode her event horse with a straight rubber bit, no flash.