I totally get you about that 'That's why I'm here' moment you mentioned, when things went wrong. I'm a healer, in general. (Or, rather, I used to be before my disability made that difficult.) When the s**t hit the fan, as they say, is when I had the most fun. I loved scrambling to save a group from their own mistakes. (Or, sometimes, my mistakes. I remember one time a miss click ended up in a tank dying early in a boss fight. It took every ounce of mana I had and every trick I knew, and a potion, but I kept a rogue alive as he took on tanking duty until the boss was dead. The rogue was the only one alive, other than me, by the end of the fight, but we did manage it.) Anyway, I know this video is almost a year old, but I have to say thank you. This series of videos has given me the courage to give tanking a try, to see if it's possible with my accessibility set up. It may be horrible, but as you say, what's the worst that can happen?
You can skip the mobs in the center hall in HoV. You clear both side bosses first. Then you grab one of the beers on the table and throw it at the mobs in the center. This makes them pacified temporarily (they fight each other and can't be targeted while they're affected). You can then run past them into the area just past the now open door. This brings the two guards next to the door but skips the mobs that were in the center.
MrShAdOwClOn You get the % necessary without those mobs in the center or the patrols. And all the other mobs in that room are easier than those in the middle, so why waste time with a double caster group? Anyway, this conversation is pointless since he wasn't doing a Mythic+.
i would've done exactly as preacher did. never trust pugs to *not* body pull. with guildies/friends, sure, skip everything you can. but pugs? fuck that noise. kill every single trash mob, because at some point, they will be pulled.
One of your best explained, well reasoned vids Preach. Keeping calm when stuff goes wrong and dealing with it is great advice. Anyone interested in tanking (or has a tank spec sitting there untouched) get amongst this series!
Anyone love rewatching these whenever you get back into tanking. It literally makes me such a better player, not just because of straight knowledge, but mostly confidence.
Awesome videos, Preacher. And I see what you mean by pugging Mythics. I just did Mythic 2 Neltharion’s Lair on my Blood Death Knight that I haven’t tanked Mythics on until today, and there was so much stuff in that run that I had to stay on top of. A DPS and the Healer kept dying, I zipped by mobs to keep going and pulled, only to find that the DPS behind me pulled those mobs and now I had to double back and aggro those mobs, too, and one DPS quit in the middle of the run while we only had 9 minutes left and had two bosses left. Despite those issues, though, we still managed to pull off a win under the clock. I have to say, it felt great. :)
The paladin is using Beacon of Virtue which is an active skill rather than a put it up and forget buff. Which he should since that's the superior 5-man talent. I see him using it occasionally.
Thank you for making these. I have been looking at classes which have at least three roles (healing, dps (leaning more and more towards melee), and tanking) and wanting to learn to tank. I used to tank every now and again when I was a raider in ToR. I always mained a healer and I realized the first time in LFR as a healer, it was spam aoe to be top heals in the raid. It was annoying because people thought if you weren't spamming aoe you were a bad healer (which is fine given what LFR is). I would like to play all roles at some point just to get the grasp of it. In my old guild in ToR we would have something called swapped alt run where the tanks would heal or dps and both the healers would become tanks. It helped us learn the role we were healing. And I loved being able to become a better healer for it. This is very helpful because I was scared to get into tanking in wow. I tanked my first heroic the other day (and I realize it's not the best to learn) but I got over many of fears of the role.
Preach, these are pretty kick ass. I did some tanking on a DK back in WotLK a life time ago. I never really played seriously since then,While I have been healing on a mistweaver I am interested in trying tanking again. These vids area pretty kickass at working up my confidence to try it again, and this is the best because I am really the only one of my friends who still plays. Keep up the good work!
really like a lot of these points...long time main tank (release - break @ HFC) came back still burnt out (but im addicted and wanted to see the content), lot of pressure from former guilds members to pop right back into raiding. decided thats not what i wanted so i started on a old server (may as well have been brand new one) and pretty much lived what he is describing here...this is super valuable information to new tanks, well done.
Before I took a break from Legion, I started running my decently geared warrior through dungeons I normally wouldn't have with random people I normally wouldn't have played with. It was fun, but also eye-opening, some people definitely do some wild stuff. Quality series Preacher!
I saw these back in Legion when I started tanking. Now I'm showing them to my friend who is thinking to pick it up. I've enjoyed them again and i love this set so thankies for doing them! ♥
Really good advice, I'm currently in the process of learning how to heal properly; my first encounter with Mythic Eye of Azshara proved to be a disaster; even with dps that severely outgeared the challenge. Its was an extremely painful run, but I learned the importance of healing while moving and probably improved a bit from the experience.
I did this today with my druid. He's a fresh 110 alt who I got up to about 836ilvl from world quests, lfr and heroic dungeons. decided tonight to try make my own groups for mythics and it was great. ended up learning a lot, teaching folk some stuff and making friends. I purposefully set the ilvl to low and accepted lower ilvl players over higher ones so that they'd get useful gear. would definitely recommend doing this, very fun!
Love the series Preach - very interested to see if you choose to put raids before or after high mythic plus in terms of progression for the next two videos! Realistically after Mythic + 9/10 you can't really have an enjoyable experience if you're pugging, so it would be really interesting if the next two videos basically prompt the discussion - which content is harder in terms of progression, raiding (normal and heroic for the purposes of this series) or high mythic plus? I currently have multiple 875+ geared alt tanks - and this series has inspired me to level another one, only through pugs and see what else I can learn to improve even more!
The paladin was using beacon of virtue on you, it replaces beacon of light and it's the go to choice for dungeons, it's basically a aoe beacon but only lasts a few seconds, that's why it looked like he never beacon you.
You can skip the trash in the very middle by grabbing the sparkling beer mugs on the tables and throwing one into that middle pack. The two by the door will get pulled but you can pull them all the way up to the top to Odyn and just dps them there.
The paladin used beacon of virtue. I can see the buff on you. Beacon of virtue is the AoE beacon. It is the appropriate beacon to use in 5 man content since it lets you heal the group more consistently. It doesn't have 100% up time like the other beacons but it's only down for 7 seconds (15 second CD with 8 second duration). You cast it just before or just as massive group damage goes out and it puts beacon on the target and 3 injured allies, so 4 total. Come on man, I know you don't like holy paladin but learn how they work before you criticize them.
Preach - mate, thanks for this series - this is why i follow you. I've didnt play WOW for a month becasue my Monk felt blocked - i didn't have a guild to solid raid to heal in, and my off-spec Brewmaster still felt wonky and i was not sure about my skills. I even unsubbed, but after your vids I will give a try once gain ant try to become a better player. Thanks, looking forward to your next vids. Cheers.
Frettin Frosty yeah, im leveling a mistweaver right now, played very little of it in WoD and im kinda nervous about just jumpin right in to dungeons at the moment...lol
Hey Preach, back in WoD I was a Brewmaster main, and loved it, still do. Unfortunately I am finding it very difficult to enjoy it in Legion. I don't know if it just isn't for me after the xpac or if I just don't really understand the current incarnation. Advice?
Will there be a video series like this one for the healers as well? Because i could use a little bit of advice before starting healing as holy paladin and a resto druid.
That druid tank didn't join until the third trash pack, that's why he didn't do anything until then. Can see in chat you join queue when you start pulling, then he joins in the middle of the pulls, then his chat spam starts.
@6:20 - Holy Pallys genereally dont use Beacon of Light in dungeons anyway, because of their 100tier talent which replaces it with a short term AoE beacon. Since you were telling us in the beginning that its good to know the other side of the coin I'm a little confused as to why you don't do as you preach (no pun intended). Just thought I'd throw this in, if only to make you aware there exists a talent that replaces your beacon as pally.
Honestly preach, I know you don't like using stream footage, but as a long term viewer who isn't able to see all the streams.. I would LOVE to see a stream highlight section of your channel! I know some youtubers perceive it as double dipping and being cheap, but I think a large part of your community would enjoy WoW highlights! Jus a thought or a topic of duscussion!
this is a great vid and i subscribed checked few more vids. do you have a macro vid for blood dk if not could you make one so i can use the way you use it? Thanks!
I love you guys, had a shadowpriest in the 880s that was supposed to heal, but didnt. It was pretty quick. I was a pala so had enough self heals anyway.
Really tried tanking a lot lately because of your videos, thanks for that! Unfortunately tho today I had one of those HoV runs where people just gave me a lot of shit, while they were really low on dps and dying to a lot of mechanics out of my control as a tank... those moments I just hate and feel like never touching tanking again because it upsets me so much
hey preach I noticed you used the stream to do kara yesterday! now I know you used people below 860 but I feel you should do things full pug life....like look for groups! as a 876 tank I find inless I make my own group it's hard to find a m+ group for keys above 5 most the time.....
If you grab a mug of mead and throw it in that middle trash pack before the odyn bridge, the npcs will become unattackable and start fighting themselves, letting you literally run right by them without aggroing.
Something that puts me off on Tanking, is calling out for defensive cooldowns when you get to higher raid tiers. As someone with pretty bad social anxiety, will this be something I'll have to suck up and do it, or are there ways to get around it? I'm fine with overall communication, but I don't like calling out people by name.
TheTorridestCheese Its not something you need until Mythic raids. In Mythic you basically have to do it, makes it alot better. If you can try practice just talking with people, and move into coordinating slowly.
Play an MMO to combat your social anxiety. Get a good guild of friends that you trust. There's no excuse to not play at your best once you hit mythic content. Or just play a single player RPG. No one cares.
TheTorridestCheese get comfortable with your guildies (mainly healers) in voice comms and have conversations with them. It will make it a lot easier calling for things
TheTorridestCheese Just have to wonder why you care about voice chat. Idc if you're 12 and have a speech impedement, as long as you communicate effectively you're good. Don't say anything other than game related calls if you're that nervous.
The only way around it i can think of is to bind a raid warning and use it during the pull. Also if you have 2 palas and want a sac u can decide before the pull who is the first one to sac u and then just say "sac me" and it's up to the healers to get it right. Not every guild DOES call it singularly at random but u can also do it this way. I did haev a raid leader who used to have a raid warning macro with his taunt that said like"taunting heal plz!!" :P
REally informative! Ive tanked on and off since wod but never as a amin and only randoms and I learned a lot form this series. Don't think Ill ever raid tank, not even lfr but a great video!
Halls of Valor is a good dungeon to learn for tanks. A lot of mobs need to be interrupted, use damage mitigation on melee mobs etc. also boss mechanics.
once your tanking idea runs its course what is the possibility of doing a healing one? Just on different choices and decisions you make at different oh shit moments.
the guy that said why pull the group was right but you have to use one the drinks on the table before you run up (they become pissed and fight each other) then pull the 2 big guys to boss room and then down the last 4 adds it cuts out about 30 - 1 minute depending on how gud the dps is
I've quit the game about 18 months ago, but still follow your channel as I find your stuff really interesting. I sometimes feel the lure back in, and videos like this make it appear like the game is less broken. Looking for some feedback as to whether the catch up be ridiculous/impossible if I were to resub?
I would like to hear a more detailed discussion on how you feel about LFR, I think it's poison to the game and bad for players, I would be interested to know why you think it's good to have a raid for people who can't raid.
Yea, it was the DH, no doubt. The hunter just started shooting at them after they stood right next to him, and one wolf jumped on the healer I think. It doesn't matter who exactly added them though, some guy randomly adding trash is a common sight in pugs. It is a great example for how a tank can learn to deal with that sort of thing, and that was the point of the video.
dh may have been getting impatient and not know how the dogs buff works, but he most assuredly dashed over and you can even see his glaive toss to them
I can also say that going into those groups really make you a better healer. Overgeared groups are really boring to heal. But if you are undergeared and you get an undergeared tank that doesn't really use active mitigation even in a heroic is good. When he gets overzealous even better! Nothing teaches you better how to handle those panic-situations where suddenly half of your group starts dropping.
You know, I'll say this, I'm 32 years old, I was a paratrooper in the US Army, I led troops in Iraq, and was shot at, bombed, etc. And that really wasn't that anxious. I'd do it again in a heartbeat... But for some reason, tanking causes me SO much stress, and I'm even tanking on cruise control with a Prot Pally.
It's because these nerdy fucks that start typing shit at you when you do something stupid while you also know you made that mistake but you can't fist them in the face.
Regarding the Barrage pulling, from what I generally saw, the hunter wasn't that bad. Sidewinders was his main problem, and you can't really control that without going into melee range. I wish Sidewinders would be more predictable or at least have a way to know what you're gonna hit or not.
Great video, i do disagree about playing with friends ( or at least with your raid teams tank) I'm more than happy to give tips to new tanks when they ask and when i run with guild mates that might have played dps for years and want to pick it up. But your point about, how i would tell them just to wipe and reset and not giving them a chance to play under pressure and learn to play with their cds
I find LFR is best used for practicing healing if I am trying a different healer, as you can guarantee that you always get people who think they will be healed through crap instead of moving because LFR DPS meters mean everything, though oddly they need other people to link the meters :P
Mad Ninja pulls are everywhere - I'm levelling a 46 bear and learning SO much from dungeons - despite being nearly unkillable at low levels with the health of those things
something I always tell people in my guild. if you learn to heal or tank a pug through something, then taking your guildies through it becomes a breeze.
I'd like to start bear tanking but can't seem to acquire tank trinkets being balance, should I just jump into tanking normal mythics with my ranged trinkets since i have 871 ilvl?
I used to be an item level person, It changed once getting gear slows down and even a lfr boss can't give me an upgrade. It took until that point where my stats make a huge difference and then I'd rather go off of stats. But if I'm only 910 in looking to try to get to 930 before I start setting everything else
You can skip the trash in the middle there! Just walk passed them after killing hyrja going to the wolf, then when coming back with the buff, mead the trash in the middle and walk through with the sentinels!!
When I hit 110 on my DK our guild healer asked if I was gonna tank. I said yes she she invited me into the group of randoms (some good some bad) to tank a dungeon. I told her "but I'm only 810, I'm too under geared" Healer: "shut up and tank if you wanna tank" Had sooo many DPS tell me I was too under geared and should have been 835-840 at least. We went through 8 mythics back to back and within the next two weeks i had tanked our weekend team through Kara. We are just a normal/heroic progression guild :3
Druid raid tank, here gotta back up preach here, nothing better than puging 9s to 12s to help with people doing weird stuff and as such improving flexibility, id say i do around 70% of my mythic + in pugs and that last few are Tuesday night runs to help guildies out
On Fenryr when you are killing the wolves you say a hunter used barrage and pulled. As you are saying that the DH jumps away and uses Throw Glaive and pulls the wolves! Divineblades 4 lyf.
I know this is kinda late but I am rerolling a monk and I like playing Brewmaster, even when I quest I stay brewmaster I tank dungeons but I am getting close to reaching 110 and I was wondering if it would be better to go for a diff spec because of lack of something for end game raiding or if people would let me do end game raiding
If you are just going to go by what other people will let you do, then go for flavor of the month only (currently guardian druid). Brewmasters can succeed at all levels of difficulty despite being seen as bad, but you will need to be proactive about getting your own groups together. It's only beneficial to learn Mistweaver and Windwalker as well as you can find groups faster when all you want to do is kill the boss for that week no matter what spec you are in. Windwalker is in the best place of the three in PVE and also wrecks in PVP.
tyvm Jake!!! I appreciate your reply and I think I am going to just stick to maining Brewmaster and I'll do like you say and make my own groups if I have too
My ex became the best tank on bloodfeather, because he started playing in early vanilla, had no clue, like most people at that time, and levelled 1-60 as a protest warrior. He couldn't understand why people were killing things so juch faster than him lol. He knew his class, inside and out though, and ended up missing only one piece of the tank set from vanilla naxx. Dreadnaught, I think it was called?
I really appreciate you making these videos, but what are we supposed to do if we just plain suck? What about those of us who are *bad* and feel bad about it, but don't know what we can do about it? Should I just go play Runescape? I've heard that is where bad players go.
Amehdion Thank you. I will look into that website. Pardon me for not using the link directly from your comment though. I've had bad experiences with doing that.
You forgot to mention the fact that tanking with pugs means you'll probably die more often so the repair bills can get pretty high. If you're low on gold don't try this.
20:32 getting your fancy latin terms mixed up? Ad Hominem means a personal attack or an insult. You were probably looking for Ad Verbatim, means to repeat something without question :)
As a Blood DK who was in that exact scenario for the majority of my dungeons... no beacon of light, shitty dps, and all that jazz... sometimes even the best tank can't carry a shitty group. And asking them to use interrupts or shit like that just gets you kicked for being "salty". Sometimes it's better to just give the dungeon up. Fuck this WoW community. Can't wait for Elysium. If you don't have a decent guild then there is nothing for people that want to put any amount of time into this game. I think most people planned or plan on having a group of friends to run Mythic+ every week. Sadly for some of us, those friends have already quit out of boredom.
HOV is Cancer. A lot of groups just ignore HOV and go to other things. This is primarily because of the some of the high damage mechanics that are unavoidable. The mobs on the way to Hyrja, or however you spell it, are a prime example. Also there is a lot of RP. Yes this time spent RPing is calculated to the time limit. However, you can't "outgear" RP. It always takes exactly the same amount of time so you are left trying to speed up the trash with a lot of RP you can't speed through.
To be fair the first boss was a bit more on you. Not paying attention to where the drakes were coming in and helping dps avoid them as well as getting hit by the tornadoes several times yourself
the wolves trash before fenryr, not sure if you know this, or your viewers might like to know... the jump they do that does crazy damage? if you just stop moving before it hits you, it does 0 damage. (assuming this is intended behavior, and not a bug, and doesn't get fixed at some point in the future anyways) you can tank a lot more of those wolves so long as everyone knows that about them. also the bridge guardian guys, i always take them across the light bridge, then there is no chance of anyone pulling any extra random bullshit. also, i really really hate pugging. i've been a tank main for so long i think i've seen just about every crazy thing that ever could happen in a dungeon run, happen. or while healing. i healed someone once who said he was the off tank for the mage. told me that him, a prot warrior, was off tanking for the mage. it was really very confusing. but it was lower level and on the alliance side *shudder* had to go back to my horde server after that fiasco.
No no no. I learned to tank in vanilla I know what I'm doing and I don't have the patience to PUG any kind of dungeon. I got confirmation of that when a friend of mine needed help with a heroic EN run. My guild is onlg just getting there. My friends guild has it in farm. At the end of the night the guild leader pulled me into another voice coms channel and told me I was more than welcome to join them any time I wanted. I picked up fights quick, reacted to problems when the came up. He said I've been doing this a long time and I can tell you have too. So I don't do PUGS. Sadly as a result of me not being in the biggest guild that also means I don't get to do many mythic dungeons.
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Love this series, and like to say you've given me the confidence to do mythics.
I totally get you about that 'That's why I'm here' moment you mentioned, when things went wrong. I'm a healer, in general. (Or, rather, I used to be before my disability made that difficult.) When the s**t hit the fan, as they say, is when I had the most fun. I loved scrambling to save a group from their own mistakes.
(Or, sometimes, my mistakes. I remember one time a miss click ended up in a tank dying early in a boss fight. It took every ounce of mana I had and every trick I knew, and a potion, but I kept a rogue alive as he took on tanking duty until the boss was dead. The rogue was the only one alive, other than me, by the end of the fight, but we did manage it.)
Anyway, I know this video is almost a year old, but I have to say thank you. This series of videos has given me the courage to give tanking a try, to see if it's possible with my accessibility set up. It may be horrible, but as you say, what's the worst that can happen?
You can skip the mobs at 10:21 by throwing beer on them and running past after fenryr and hyrja are dead.
Really? But i did it 2 days ago.
You can skip the mobs in the center hall in HoV. You clear both side bosses first. Then you grab one of the beers on the table and throw it at the mobs in the center. This makes them pacified temporarily (they fight each other and can't be targeted while they're affected). You can then run past them into the area just past the now open door. This brings the two guards next to the door but skips the mobs that were in the center.
Exactly.
you may in Basic myth or hm but not in myth+ cause they re easy to kill and you Need them for the % to clear the instance
MrShAdOwClOn You get the % necessary without those mobs in the center or the patrols. And all the other mobs in that room are easier than those in the middle, so why waste time with a double caster group?
Anyway, this conversation is pointless since he wasn't doing a Mythic+.
i would've done exactly as preacher did. never trust pugs to *not* body pull. with guildies/friends, sure, skip everything you can. but pugs? fuck that noise. kill every single trash mob, because at some point, they will be pulled.
You don't need the beers, their aggro range is insanely small you can just run by every time.
One of your best explained, well reasoned vids Preach. Keeping calm when stuff goes wrong and dealing with it is great advice.
Anyone interested in tanking (or has a tank spec sitting there untouched) get amongst this series!
Anyone love rewatching these whenever you get back into tanking. It literally makes me such a better player, not just because of straight knowledge, but mostly confidence.
Great video preach, as a tank who started tanking more in this expansion this sums up my experiences quite perfectly.
Awesome videos, Preacher. And I see what you mean by pugging Mythics. I just did Mythic 2 Neltharion’s Lair on my Blood Death Knight that I haven’t tanked Mythics on until today, and there was so much stuff in that run that I had to stay on top of. A DPS and the Healer kept dying, I zipped by mobs to keep going and pulled, only to find that the DPS behind me pulled those mobs and now I had to double back and aggro those mobs, too, and one DPS quit in the middle of the run while we only had 9 minutes left and had two bosses left. Despite those issues, though, we still managed to pull off a win under the clock. I have to say, it felt great. :)
The paladin is using Beacon of Virtue which is an active skill rather than a put it up and forget buff. Which he should since that's the superior 5-man talent. I see him using it occasionally.
Thank you for making these. I have been looking at classes which have at least three roles (healing, dps (leaning more and more towards melee), and tanking) and wanting to learn to tank. I used to tank every now and again when I was a raider in ToR. I always mained a healer and I realized the first time in LFR as a healer, it was spam aoe to be top heals in the raid. It was annoying because people thought if you weren't spamming aoe you were a bad healer (which is fine given what LFR is). I would like to play all roles at some point just to get the grasp of it. In my old guild in ToR we would have something called swapped alt run where the tanks would heal or dps and both the healers would become tanks. It helped us learn the role we were healing. And I loved being able to become a better healer for it.
This is very helpful because I was scared to get into tanking in wow. I tanked my first heroic the other day (and I realize it's not the best to learn) but I got over many of fears of the role.
Preach, these are pretty kick ass. I did some tanking on a DK back in WotLK a life time ago. I never really played seriously since then,While I have been healing on a mistweaver I am interested in trying tanking again. These vids area pretty kickass at working up my confidence to try it again, and this is the best because I am really the only one of my friends who still plays. Keep up the good work!
really like a lot of these points...long time main tank (release - break @ HFC) came back still burnt out (but im addicted and wanted to see the content), lot of pressure from former guilds members to pop right back into raiding. decided thats not what i wanted so i started on a old server (may as well have been brand new one) and pretty much lived what he is describing here...this is super valuable information to new tanks, well done.
Before I took a break from Legion, I started running my decently geared warrior through dungeons I normally wouldn't have with random people I normally wouldn't have played with. It was fun, but also eye-opening, some people definitely do some wild stuff. Quality series Preacher!
I saw these back in Legion when I started tanking. Now I'm showing them to my friend who is thinking to pick it up. I've enjoyed them again and i love this set so thankies for doing them! ♥
Really good advice, I'm currently in the process of learning how to heal properly; my first encounter with Mythic Eye of Azshara proved to be a disaster; even with dps that severely outgeared the challenge. Its was an extremely painful run, but I learned the importance of healing while moving and probably improved a bit from the experience.
I did this today with my druid. He's a fresh 110 alt who I got up to about 836ilvl from world quests, lfr and heroic dungeons. decided tonight to try make my own groups for mythics and it was great. ended up learning a lot, teaching folk some stuff and making friends. I purposefully set the ilvl to low and accepted lower ilvl players over higher ones so that they'd get useful gear. would definitely recommend doing this, very fun!
Listening to this one month into shadowlands and I feel like the advice will have aged very well even as the game is 4 years older. Good stuff
Such a fantastic series. Recently rerolled to guardian, so this is all valuable information. Thank you
loving this series haha. i could watch these pugs all day and laugh at just the bizarre shit they do
I took your advice, and once dps started not killing them selves, three mythic runs went successfully.
Love the series Preach - very interested to see if you choose to put raids before or after high mythic plus in terms of progression for the next two videos! Realistically after Mythic + 9/10 you can't really have an enjoyable experience if you're pugging, so it would be really interesting if the next two videos basically prompt the discussion - which content is harder in terms of progression, raiding (normal and heroic for the purposes of this series) or high mythic plus?
I currently have multiple 875+ geared alt tanks - and this series has inspired me to level another one, only through pugs and see what else I can learn to improve even more!
The paladin was using beacon of virtue on you, it replaces beacon of light and it's the go to choice for dungeons, it's basically a aoe beacon but only lasts a few seconds, that's why it looked like he never beacon you.
You can skip the trash in the very middle by grabbing the sparkling beer mugs on the tables and throwing one into that middle pack. The two by the door will get pulled but you can pull them all the way up to the top to Odyn and just dps them there.
The paladin used beacon of virtue. I can see the buff on you. Beacon of virtue is the AoE beacon. It is the appropriate beacon to use in 5 man content since it lets you heal the group more consistently. It doesn't have 100% up time like the other beacons but it's only down for 7 seconds (15 second CD with 8 second duration). You cast it just before or just as massive group damage goes out and it puts beacon on the target and 3 injured allies, so 4 total. Come on man, I know you don't like holy paladin but learn how they work before you criticize them.
Preach - mate, thanks for this series - this is why i follow you. I've didnt play WOW for a month becasue my Monk felt blocked - i didn't have a guild to solid raid to heal in, and my off-spec Brewmaster still felt wonky and i was not sure about my skills. I even unsubbed, but after your vids I will give a try once gain ant try to become a better player. Thanks, looking forward to your next vids. Cheers.
I was just watching these for lulz and was looking for part 3
Please do one for Healing!! Learning guardian spec on my druid from the series keep'em comin preach!
Frettin Frosty yeah, im leveling a mistweaver right now, played very little of it in WoD and im kinda nervous about just jumpin right in to dungeons at the moment...lol
Hey Preach, back in WoD I was a Brewmaster main, and loved it, still do. Unfortunately I am finding it very difficult to enjoy it in Legion. I don't know if it just isn't for me after the xpac or if I just don't really understand the current incarnation. Advice?
1:50 thought you'd say "i'm a dps" well when it's skittish (and sometimes not) that never stops me from tanking as a mage! :D
16:54 the tank joined right there, he started tanking the mobs as soon as he joined, doesnt invalidate your point though
Will there be a video series like this one for the healers as well? Because i could use a little bit of advice before starting healing as holy paladin and a resto druid.
I think it's a matter about learning to be versatile and resourceful. Both very valuable skills in both real life and online, I find.
That druid tank didn't join until the third trash pack, that's why he didn't do anything until then. Can see in chat you join queue when you start pulling, then he joins in the middle of the pulls, then his chat spam starts.
@6:20 - Holy Pallys genereally dont use Beacon of Light in dungeons anyway, because of their 100tier talent which replaces it with a short term AoE beacon. Since you were telling us in the beginning that its good to know the other side of the coin I'm a little confused as to why you don't do as you preach (no pun intended). Just thought I'd throw this in, if only to make you aware there exists a talent that replaces your beacon as pally.
Honestly preach, I know you don't like using stream footage, but as a long term viewer who isn't able to see all the streams.. I would LOVE to see a stream highlight section of your channel!
I know some youtubers perceive it as double dipping and being cheap, but I think a large part of your community would enjoy WoW highlights!
Jus a thought or a topic of duscussion!
please do a healing one! :)
this is a great vid and i subscribed checked few more vids. do you have a macro vid for blood dk if not could you make one so i can use the way you use it? Thanks!
Are you going to do a dps guide like this one?
4:00 I'm that healer, every day
I love you guys, had a shadowpriest in the 880s that was supposed to heal, but didnt. It was pretty quick. I was a pala so had enough self heals anyway.
Can't wait till I can run everything as healy-enhance again. I miss AG :(
Really tried tanking a lot lately because of your videos, thanks for that! Unfortunately tho today I had one of those HoV runs where people just gave me a lot of shit, while they were really low on dps and dying to a lot of mechanics out of my control as a tank... those moments I just hate and feel like never touching tanking again because it upsets me so much
hey preach I noticed you used the stream to do kara yesterday! now I know you used people below 860 but I feel you should do things full pug life....like look for groups! as a 876 tank I find inless I make my own group it's hard to find a m+ group for keys above 5 most the time.....
If you grab a mug of mead and throw it in that middle trash pack before the odyn bridge, the npcs will become unattackable and start fighting themselves, letting you literally run right by them without aggroing.
Something that puts me off on Tanking, is calling out for defensive cooldowns when you get to higher raid tiers. As someone with pretty bad social anxiety, will this be something I'll have to suck up and do it, or are there ways to get around it?
I'm fine with overall communication, but I don't like calling out people by name.
TheTorridestCheese Its not something you need until Mythic raids. In Mythic you basically have to do it, makes it alot better. If you can try practice just talking with people, and move into coordinating slowly.
Play an MMO to combat your social anxiety. Get a good guild of friends that you trust. There's no excuse to not play at your best once you hit mythic content.
Or just play a single player RPG. No one cares.
TheTorridestCheese get comfortable with your guildies (mainly healers) in voice comms and have conversations with them. It will make it a lot easier calling for things
TheTorridestCheese Just have to wonder why you care about voice chat. Idc if you're 12 and have a speech impedement, as long as you communicate effectively you're good. Don't say anything other than game related calls if you're that nervous.
The only way around it i can think of is to bind a raid warning and use it during the pull. Also if you have 2 palas and want a sac u can decide before the pull who is the first one to sac u and then just say "sac me" and it's up to the healers to get it right. Not every guild DOES call it singularly at random but u can also do it this way. I did haev a raid leader who used to have a raid warning macro with his taunt that said like"taunting heal plz!!" :P
REally informative! Ive tanked on and off since wod but never as a amin and only randoms and I learned a lot form this series. Don't think Ill ever raid tank, not even lfr but a great video!
Halls of Valor is a good dungeon to learn for tanks. A lot of mobs need to be interrupted, use damage mitigation on melee mobs etc. also boss mechanics.
once your tanking idea runs its course what is the possibility of doing a healing one? Just on different choices and decisions you make at different oh shit moments.
the guy that said why pull the group was right but you have to use one the drinks on the table before you run up (they become pissed and fight each other) then pull the 2 big guys to boss room and then down the last 4 adds it cuts out about 30 - 1 minute depending on how gud the dps is
Really hoping you will do a healer series next. This is really interesting.
I've quit the game about 18 months ago, but still follow your channel as I find your stuff really interesting.
I sometimes feel the lure back in, and videos like this make it appear like the game is less broken. Looking for some feedback as to whether the catch up be ridiculous/impossible if I were to resub?
Depends on how high you want to go
I would like to hear a more detailed discussion on how you feel about LFR, I think it's poison to the game and bad for players, I would be interested to know why you think it's good to have a raid for people who can't raid.
I saw the DH really far away when you pulled the wolves, are you sure it wasn't him who pulled when he was flying around?
Yea, it was the DH, no doubt. The hunter just started shooting at them after they stood right next to him, and one wolf jumped on the healer I think. It doesn't matter who exactly added them though, some guy randomly adding trash is a common sight in pugs. It is a great example for how a tank can learn to deal with that sort of thing, and that was the point of the video.
yeah, that was DH who did it, not the hunter.
Omy but DHs are hunters. Kappa
dh may have been getting impatient and not know how the dogs buff works, but he most assuredly dashed over and you can even see his glaive toss to them
I can also say that going into those groups really make you a better healer. Overgeared groups are really boring to heal. But if you are undergeared and you get an undergeared tank that doesn't really use active mitigation even in a heroic is good. When he gets overzealous even better! Nothing teaches you better how to handle those panic-situations where suddenly half of your group starts dropping.
You know, I'll say this, I'm 32 years old, I was a paratrooper in the US Army, I led troops in Iraq, and was shot at, bombed, etc. And that really wasn't that anxious. I'd do it again in a heartbeat...
But for some reason, tanking causes me SO much stress, and I'm even tanking on cruise control with a Prot Pally.
It's because these nerdy fucks that start typing shit at you when you do something stupid while you also know you made that mistake but you can't fist them in the face.
Regarding the Barrage pulling, from what I generally saw, the hunter wasn't that bad. Sidewinders was his main problem, and you can't really control that without going into melee range. I wish Sidewinders would be more predictable or at least have a way to know what you're gonna hit or not.
Great video, i do disagree about playing with friends ( or at least with your raid teams tank) I'm more than happy to give tips to new tanks when they ask and when i run with guild mates that might have played dps for years and want to pick it up.
But your point about, how i would tell them just to wipe and reset and not giving them a chance to play under pressure and learn to play with their cds
..Where's the legacy vid Preach..Where is it?
I find LFR is best used for practicing healing if I am trying a different healer, as you can guarantee that you always get people who think they will be healed through crap instead of moving because LFR DPS meters mean everything, though oddly they need other people to link the meters :P
Mad Ninja pulls are everywhere - I'm levelling a 46 bear and learning SO much from dungeons - despite being nearly unkillable at low levels with the health of those things
I can't find part 4...WTH?
First off love the content, second are you going to make a healing series like this? id be interested in seeing what you have to say about it.
something I always tell people in my guild. if you learn to heal or tank a pug through something, then taking your guildies through it becomes a breeze.
I'd like to start bear tanking but can't seem to acquire tank trinkets being balance, should I just jump into tanking normal mythics with my ranged trinkets since i have 871 ilvl?
that ui is fresh. can u give us an update on ui??
How is LFR when it comes to hearing as a tank?
Divineblades never forget. Best stream ever.
whats wrong with using stream footage?? lol
A lot of people feel it is lazy and not as appreciative of the UA-cam community as a legit video.
I used to be an item level person, It changed once getting gear slows down and even a lfr boss can't give me an upgrade. It took until that point where my stats make a huge difference and then I'd rather go off of stats. But if I'm only 910 in looking to try to get to 930 before I start setting everything else
Song in background please ?
What about LFR for healers to learn?
You can skip the trash in the middle there! Just walk passed them after killing hyrja going to the wolf, then when coming back with the buff, mead the trash in the middle and walk through with the sentinels!!
Now i understand Why our tanks never wants to so shit They Are pugging 24/7
How can he see his runes on the enemy name plate? Is it an addon?
Are we going to gloss over that action bar switch at Xavius?
Zergradis. Is that old vanilla paladin Zelgradis?
These videos are making me want to level my pally
When I hit 110 on my DK our guild healer asked if I was gonna tank. I said yes she she invited me into the group of randoms (some good some bad) to tank a dungeon. I told her "but I'm only 810, I'm too under geared"
Healer: "shut up and tank if you wanna tank"
Had sooo many DPS tell me I was too under geared and should have been 835-840 at least.
We went through 8 mythics back to back and within the next two weeks i had tanked our weekend team through Kara. We are just a normal/heroic progression guild :3
Druid raid tank, here gotta back up preach here, nothing better than puging 9s to 12s to help with people doing weird stuff and as such improving flexibility, id say i do around 70% of my mythic + in pugs and that last few are Tuesday night runs to help guildies out
On Fenryr when you are killing the wolves you say a hunter used barrage and pulled. As you are saying that the DH jumps away and uses Throw Glaive and pulls the wolves! Divineblades 4 lyf.
Did a Nef Lair+2 as a 820 dk tank with a 780 healer. Really ilevel isn't end all be all if you know the spec, have confidence and know your stats.
Yeah well i'm a bad tank but i can tank the same dungeon with ease because i got the gear. Beat that!
did you 3 chest tho?
Ah heck, got 2 chests, had some nice dps with us.
Dks are fairly strong in 5mans, especially if you know how to spec/gen enough RP / time death strikes.
just made a DH, outdpsed an 850 DH as 824, you are right.
I know this is kinda late but I am rerolling a monk and I like playing Brewmaster, even when I quest I stay brewmaster I tank dungeons but I am getting close to reaching 110 and I was wondering if it would be better to go for a diff spec because of lack of something for end game raiding or if people would let me do end game raiding
If you are just going to go by what other people will let you do, then go for flavor of the month only (currently guardian druid). Brewmasters can succeed at all levels of difficulty despite being seen as bad, but you will need to be proactive about getting your own groups together.
It's only beneficial to learn Mistweaver and Windwalker as well as you can find groups faster when all you want to do is kill the boss for that week no matter what spec you are in. Windwalker is in the best place of the three in PVE and also wrecks in PVP.
tyvm Jake!!! I appreciate your reply and I think I am going to just stick to maining Brewmaster and I'll do like you say and make my own groups if I have too
Holy paladin here, the pala is using beacon of virtue which replaces the permanent beacon for a temp one on four people.
My ex became the best tank on bloodfeather, because he started playing in early vanilla, had no clue, like most people at that time, and levelled 1-60 as a protest warrior. He couldn't understand why people were killing things so juch faster than him lol. He knew his class, inside and out though, and ended up missing only one piece of the tank set from vanilla naxx. Dreadnaught, I think it was called?
I really appreciate you making these videos, but what are we supposed to do if we just plain suck? What about those of us who are *bad* and feel bad about it, but don't know what we can do about it? Should I just go play Runescape? I've heard that is where bad players go.
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Thank you. I will look into that website. Pardon me for not using the link directly from your comment though. I've had bad experiences with doing that.
You forgot to mention the fact that tanking with pugs means you'll probably die more often so the repair bills can get pretty high. If you're low on gold don't try this.
Quick question, what do you use to move the Xavius bar?
move anythink
Boom was waiting for this :D warrior tankadin
20:32 getting your fancy latin terms mixed up? Ad Hominem means a personal attack or an insult. You were probably looking for Ad Verbatim, means to repeat something without question :)
I started mythics on my blood dk at 825. had a friend that was 835 and that was it. if you know what you are doing normally you will be fine.
love your videos ! keep it up !!!!!
You can skip mid pack by throwing beer at them and running trough them
was fixed a while ago they are imune to brew nowdays go into hov to test it yourself
it is not
never forget DIVINE BLADES 2k16
As a Blood DK who was in that exact scenario for the majority of my dungeons... no beacon of light, shitty dps, and all that jazz... sometimes even the best tank can't carry a shitty group. And asking them to use interrupts or shit like that just gets you kicked for being "salty". Sometimes it's better to just give the dungeon up.
Fuck this WoW community. Can't wait for Elysium. If you don't have a decent guild then there is nothing for people that want to put any amount of time into this game. I think most people planned or plan on having a group of friends to run Mythic+ every week. Sadly for some of us, those friends have already quit out of boredom.
I mean.... I doesnt seem to be able to beat the +11 timer on HoV with my DH (btw necrotic sux)
HOV is Cancer. A lot of groups just ignore HOV and go to other things. This is primarily because of the some of the high damage mechanics that are unavoidable. The mobs on the way to Hyrja, or however you spell it, are a prime example.
Also there is a lot of RP. Yes this time spent RPing is calculated to the time limit. However, you can't "outgear" RP. It always takes exactly the same amount of time so you are left trying to speed up the trash with a lot of RP you can't speed through.
1SadPanda I AM GOD-KING SKOVALD!!!!11one
I'm attempting to get in to tanking. Does anyone want to do M+ with me? (EU)
You could realistically learn with friends. Locked in separate rooms with no comms
To be fair the first boss was a bit more on you. Not paying attention to where the drakes were coming in and helping dps avoid them as well as getting hit by the tornadoes several times yourself
You should do healer. Tanking is so easy even on mythics. The skill is all healing in mythics. Dps and tanks are easy mode.
the wolves trash before fenryr, not sure if you know this, or your viewers might like to know... the jump they do that does crazy damage? if you just stop moving before it hits you, it does 0 damage. (assuming this is intended behavior, and not a bug, and doesn't get fixed at some point in the future anyways) you can tank a lot more of those wolves so long as everyone knows that about them. also the bridge guardian guys, i always take them across the light bridge, then there is no chance of anyone pulling any extra random bullshit.
also, i really really hate pugging. i've been a tank main for so long i think i've seen just about every crazy thing that ever could happen in a dungeon run, happen. or while healing. i healed someone once who said he was the off tank for the mage. told me that him, a prot warrior, was off tanking for the mage. it was really very confusing. but it was lower level and on the alliance side *shudder* had to go back to my horde server after that fiasco.
did u not know u could trow beer at the middel pack?
You don't even need to throw beer, just run around them, every angle you need to go isn't within pull range.
No no no. I learned to tank in vanilla I know what I'm doing and I don't have the patience to PUG any kind of dungeon. I got confirmation of that when a friend of mine needed help with a heroic EN run. My guild is onlg just getting there. My friends guild has it in farm. At the end of the night the guild leader pulled me into another voice coms channel and told me I was more than welcome to join them any time I wanted. I picked up fights quick, reacted to problems when the came up. He said I've been doing this a long time and I can tell you have too. So I don't do PUGS. Sadly as a result of me not being in the biggest guild that also means I don't get to do many mythic dungeons.