IKR! About the only logical explanation for that is overpopulation. We got problems like that in RL pertaining to deer, hence why there's a hunting season. To many deer end up destroying a local ecosystem so sadly SOME need to be removed. Same thing with alpacas even though that breaks my heart every time I see them in the hunt log.😭😭😭😭☹
@@sunayocarissime5309 If you think about it, he is saving this cow (and maybe later WOL has to depopulate rroneeks anyway) and killing this rare endangered creature. I guess the diamond dinosaur thingies don’t get to eat.
@@sunayocarissime5309 The damn deer in my area have gotten smart enough to move into town where you can't legally shoot them. Can't have a garden anymore cause they'll just eat or trample anything you plant.
The more we learn about Wuk and Koana the more I understand why Zoraal Ja turned out the way he did, imagine sharing a home with dumb and dumber for a lifetime, its bound to take a toll on your mental health.
I felt really bad, because as soon as I finished the whole 'Save the Roneek!' sidequest. I noticed that the Roneek just happened to be on my hunting log for the day, and so I immediately left camp and slaughtered a few. Koana was willing to sacrifice his life for them, and after that, they were just a random thing I mindlessly slaughtered for some in game currency.
😆 When I did the Koana quest, I couldn't help be reminded of the time I had to grind out over a hundred roneek meat for cooking. He was so protective of that one cow and I had slaughtered dozens and dozens for my own pleasure.
I feel like the Gulool Ja part of learning of his mother may not come back as an issue, it seems like it's there to deal with the themes of the patch. Everyone in Solution 9 wants to forget and not know what happened to the dead, Gulool Ja faces truth and decides it's better to know rather than remain ignorant despite the pain of the truth. Also in terms of the Living Memory Sphene, I think it's the Sphene we met at the very end of Dawntrail. Mainly based of her line at the end of "I only have my memories of my time as an endless" and the crown shown at the end of the expansion. My running theory is kind of similar to your backup theory except it's the crown recreates sphene if anything goes wrong.
The Koana part was the first time I skipped MSQ parts since forever. I couldnt be assed at all. The whole cast of DT is so uninteresting to me... I'd rather have "saving the world with the bois.... AGAIN" than "Did you know THIS weird thing about this culture you see for the first time and dont care about?"
"Did you know THIS weird thing about this culture you see for the first time and dont care about?" - you mean something that was also made along the story from ARR to then get more of "saving the world with the bois.... AGAIN" by the end of the previous arc? To get to that AGAIN, in a new place, you might want/need some lore, background and culture presentation. As to it being well done or not, that's another two cents. But I do find this comment kinda dumb.
The whole Koana section just reminded me that it feels like Dawntrails has all the moving parts for a great story, but they just put them all together wrong. They could easily have had a Echo explain the whole thing with the parents trying to escape and are forced to confront the monster while Baby Koana gets lost in the rubble and found later. It could still have the heroic symbolism of the parents sacrificing themselves without being so ham-fisted. Also, they really needed to have us accompanying Koana while we were doing chores for the Hhetsarro so we could see him build that connection with his culture rather than have that happen offscreen.
Totally agree, also that Koana part could be easily adjusted so it's not so out of place, have the team busying pacifying the cow while some fending off the other threat. Then have Koana just be in the line of path where the beast charging in , which then he made the attempt to stop it instead of what it is now where he leaping out to save them
Something weird happened in the CBU3 writing room because for all of Dawntrail characters haven't acted anything like their characterization. Everyone is just kinda "there", doing things, irrespective of their established personalities and motivations. It reminds me of when an AI writing tool loses coherence and starts mixing up characters and plot points.
18:15 ok but we already HAD that failsafe by her just being able to posess any body she wants to. The "robot" part, so the part that might break, was always disposable. That was also why the server where sphene was actually stored was kept under such high security (aka the alexandria dungeon's boss fights). There were a lot of failsafes just at the end of DT we broke all (or now we know only most) of them
When you're dealing with preserving data, security means multiple copies. Maybe that's just not possible with Endless, but when they went out of their way to make things all computery, one would be forgiven for expecting computery approaches to things.
Just played it, I don't see how it saved anything tbh, seemed like more of the same and I was struggling not to be bored. Yes there are some interesting concepts about dealing with death that they sort of hint at but I don't really have any faith that this new writing team will do anything beyond just sort of hinting at them. Same as any of the interesting concepts displayed during 7.0.
not exactly abandoned, but the game does confirm that her parents - the king and queen of alexandria - have died, so she ascended as the queen at a very young age
@@acgearsandarms1343 I meant OG sphene like prior to the lindblum war during her childhood, I am already half expecting them to double down on the orphan to royal trope since***spoiler for FF9*** FF9s Garnet was one.
I was so annoyed that Koana and Wuk Lamot are ready to sacrifice themselves for the cow, and then what happens to the kingdom? They are going to let their kingdom fall into chaos and instability so they can save a cow? So foolish. Those two need to learn to delegate.
I am not defending Dawntrail’s story because I wouldn’t say I liked it, but I found this comment ridiculous. Did you even play the game? Do you not know how their father, Gulool Ja Ja, became Dawnservant? certainly not by sitting in a fortress all day. With the same logic, I could say we, as a warrior of light, can’t fight unnecessary battles or save insignificant people because who is gonna save the whole world next time if we die or get injured?
@@danielc3029 difference being that koana is a scientist whose expertise is being smart. The wol was always a warrior whose expertise is fighting things it shouldn't and overpowering them. In arr we were just another warrior, doing whatever was necessary, but with a stellar track record. If we die, it's because finally something was stronger than us, and i guess at this point it just means we'll step down to wuk lamat to deal with it, since she's canonically stronger than the wol. Either way, wuk or the wol would make sense to do what koana did and put themselves in danger like that. Koana should know better than getting himself killed for nothing, he's the "head" of reason ffs
@@pinkchckn This is how I know you're not actually paying attention to the story. Koana was not selected as a Dawnservant candidate because his "expertise is being smart". He was chosen as a candidate because his *strength* was his smarts AND he has a willingness and skill to fight and engage in the battles that being Dawnservant requires. He's expected to hold his own in the War Room and on the Battlefield-- especially considering how much of the Rite involved combat. The entire point of his and Wuk's (and even BJJ's) arcs, likewise, is that they CANNOT just rely on their own relative strengths, but that they need to lend their whole selves, weaknesses and all, in the name of their people. The Warrior of Light has never been "a warrior". Our abilities and strength have nothing to do with being a "warrior". We're blessed by Hydaelyn, and later we gain boons from Midgardsormr, Hraesvelgr (temporarily), Soroban, and Ardbert, and we're also a reincarnation of one of fourteen of the most skilled and powerful people on Ancient Etheirys. Black Mages and Scholars and Bards exist, do they not? Hell, Koana is a Machinist. If a level 63 MCH 8/14ths WoL can throw himself in front of Susanoo's blade, it's just as reasonable for Dawnservant Koana to throw himself in front of a proportionally equal threat. In fact, take away the entire strengths argument-- Koana's characterization since level 92 or 93 has him as someone who normally keeps a cool head under pressure, but will become reckless and stupid when he gets emotionally overwhelmed in personal matters. Being that the conceit of this arc is that he gains an immense appreciation for his people's traditions and culture, and Wuk Lamat is currently downed, it's entirely in character for him to jump in front of the Reaver. Whether it's stupid or not does not take away from the fact that characters are allowed to have flaws (which is Good Writing, actually), and that this is a flaw that has been present and sufficiently communicated to the player since hour 3 or 4 of the MSQ. Also, Wuk Lamat is not stronger than the Warrior of Light. She's never been stronger than the Warrior of Light. If your only evidence is "duh interphos phase transition", you're dumb and also not beating the "XIV Players can't read" allegations.
@@zedgovos4914 ok, still the worst metacritic score from all the expansions, including arr, and a mixed/mostly negative rating on steam. So I guess the majority of the community is dumb for disliking it. But hey, that's not my problem, it's Square's, they need to make me interested in the game, I don't need to force myself to like it. I could argue with you over every single point you made, but I just don't care enough, if you want to call me dumb or whatever, do it, I dont care what a stranger thinks of me.
(Before watching) No. You can't save an entire MSQ of misery with a patch. I'm also wondering how is it possible they don't know or have dealt with death... that just implies nobody befriends people that don't wear Regulators. We know there are those without regulators and they have to have died at some point.
Whoever decided that the leader of the biggest empire of the entire world would be willing to sacrifice his life for a fucking fantasy cow, after learning about his people for FIVE MINUTES, should be removed from the writing team.
I don’t see the problem. He already felt strongly about all the ppl in the country before this. This just gave him more of a direct understanding of those people. He didn’t just all of a sudden become emotionally connected. He’s been like that since we met him. And him being willing to put his life on the line for his people is part of the whole shtick that proves he’s the right kind of person to rule. That he’s not just some ruler who sits in their castle and lets everyone else do all the work. It’s not like he hasn’t stayed behind to manage things while others go do stuff either. Also nj downplaying “fantasy cow” while the story literally tells you they’re not just livestock to them. They’re part of their family.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 "Tural would lose against any other nation in a 1v1 one though. " For now. Ishgard used to be basically a medieval society now they have freaking dragon riders.
I just cant get over the fact that the two Monarchs of a still budding and shaky nation continue to put themselves in harms way for what? A funeral and a cow? I just cant get over that but everything else concerning 7.1 wasnt too bad.
@@acgearsandarms1343 Maybe but they arent their father which is one thing I think they all realized except Zoraal which is why he acted the way he did.
You bring up a good point of them throwing themselves in harms way constantly. Compare that all the way back to the banquet at the end of 2.5. The leaders knew shit was up the creek but still understood that they had to be ushered away to be able to act on the larger repercussions. That sense of logic is completely absent from DT.
Imo 7.1 has the exact same writing flaws 7.0 has, the only difference being that it's not Wuk Lamat suffering from them the most. The writing is still cheesy, illogical and on the nose, the story structure all over the place, the script quality still lower...but it's shorter, so it's not as evident.
The MSQ was literally a rerun of 5.1 with the addition of sanding down every single character in the story, did they really need to resolve Koanas back story like this? We couldn't have any level of imperfection or tragedy for the characters or the societies they inhabit? Tural is so watered down they can't even let any group have any flaws or morally dubious failings which just reeks of the types of meddling that most media is subjected to these days.
I think it was speakers of hydaelyn that said the kona roneek arc reminded them of the meme from brooklyn 99 "I havent had roneek long but if anything happens to him ill off everyone in this room and then myself" energy. I didnt mind it, but yeah, we speed ran his arc.
One thing I was thinking about is how the false queen in Solution 9 immediately reintroduced the endless as solution. It makes me wonder why. Is there an inherent value in creating endless, something that needs to continue happening for some reason. A few ideas what that might be: - I had the theory for longer that Alexandria's shard might already be rejoined but Alexandrian technology made them exempt from that somehow. This also would fit with FF9 and the unfinished Worldfusion of Terra and Gaia there.But that would mean there no longer was a proper aetherial sea in the shard and Origenics' mechanism that produces the endless was described as an artificial recreation of the processes souls go through in the aetherial sea. But this does not answer why the neo-regulators and technically it does not need the endless, only the soul splitting process. - it was explained that endless require living aether. It is not impossible that something else is syphoning some of that off. Something, be that an entity or a machine requires it as well and is disguised through the process of making endless. And that something is somehow important or at least thinks itself important enough to justify all this.
Just finished watching and yeah this is a whole lot of head-canon happening with Preach just making stuff up in his head to make what's happening on the screen better or more deep. Props to him for doing that but that stuff is not communicated in the game, he is adding it in.
MSQ has always had a few "I could actually...well never mind" moments where you could just heal, kill or stop something. Dawntrail just had few too many moments that took you out and people just being a bit too dumb at times. I enjoyed it but it's the worst MSQ even below ARR. This patch turned things around a bit. However has others have pointed out and couple were mentioned in the video. There are still some plain stupid actions by characters. It's like why are they this stupid? The new writers really need to stop and go "Would a real person do this", would a real leader of a nation throw their life away for a "cow". No, no they would not. To make it worse, it's not even a special or pregnant or anything that would give it some added value compared (VIP)human life as brutal as that sounds.
It's interesting what a contrast there is between the Alexandria stuff which was pretty good and the Turali stuff which was god-awful. Hopefully it's just a hangover from 7.0 and we get more of the good stuff and less of...whatever the hell that was!
Sphene being another Gemstone like Garnet makes me expect she won't be named Dagger but after another Weapon. Like "Twinblade", just like Zidane can use either.
They need to wrap up dawntrail and go to another place. I hope this expansion was just a one off thing to get us to over arching story beyond solution nine and tural.
Yeah the tribal part was fly-over country for me. Just felt so damned odd to me. Finding out where that excerpt from the trailer was just him protecting a cow... I was sitting there "Oh... ok. Sure I guess". Not saying it was terrible but it was just so, sooooo odd.
Patch to me was rather meh feeling almost like a repeat of previous MSQ stories. There was one bit i did like (visting the lab and the stuff attached to that) but beyond that it didn't really grab me. It's possible 7.2 what is revealed does become more interesting, but honestly this patch didn't sell me on the idea.
still waiting for them to explain why Tural seems completely unaffected and even unaware of the whole 'end of days, people turning into monsters' thing...
We already know this. The final days happen localized before they happen globally. We basically stomped out the fire before it could even singe the new world.
I mean, they trade with other nations, they aren't isolationist, it just doesn't make sense that the people there would be completely unaware that a planet-ending event was occurring.
@@shikishiki The burning skies were the only localized part of the FInal Days. The turning incidents were affecting everyone immediately which is the awkward matter that's not addressed.
I believe it was already addressed. The Final Days happened too soon and the Scions stopped it super quickly. The areas affected by the Final Days (sky and all) had aether currents that were weak, Tural's aether currents was mentioned to be super abundant and strong, Alphinaud mentions that he hasn't felt as much ambient aether before. however the strong aether does end up creating more powerful natural disasters (i.e. the hurricane) but it is also a temporary shield against Meteion's Song of Oblivion. There are a couple NPCs in the trade city mentioning that something "big" happened overseas and that is it.
"Save" is a bit extreme. Post-MSQ Dawntrail looks like its going to be like Post-MSQ Endwalker in that its going to be really good for the game's long term health, sure. But that doesn't remove the fact that Dawntrail was a WEAK expansion narratively. Not even ARR & Stormblood made me want to skip dialogue this badly...
x.1 patches are historically kinda meh for me. It's always for the large part a lil adventure to help the locals in some way after the big events of the expansion. Personally, I pray for it to turn out to be the Stormblood post-MSQ effect, as not only it's fitting how similiar the problems are to SB with DT, I look back on 4.x very fondly. I think if done right and with good focus 7.2 and 7.3 can be really good.
So? The same was literaly with StB. Can you please stop throwing excuses and making things up in other to justifity your DT hate? Grow up dude. I just saw an stream of ARR and I can 100% gurantee you. ARR is much, much worse than DT. So chillout
well, depends on the context really. if she was the only one left of the royal family that basically makes her a queen. the coronation is really the only difference at that point.
I hate the 7.0 story, but I found the Solution 9 stuff to be much better quality that I expect from the FFXIV MSQ. However, the Koana stuff was B O R I N G and as terrible as base DT was, so I really hope that was leftovers from 7.0 they didn't have time to fix. I just did not care about that sidequest level plot, and Koana being a moron risking his life for a single (1) ugly baby not-cow when he'd be depriving his sister of her last family member, and Tulilloyal of half its leadership, for a fucking cow. Speaking of idiot plot, there was NOTHING preventing the player and retinue from following Koana, and instead we stood there like idiots again just like when Edgy Lizard killed Daddy. You cannot tell me Koana of all people can not only somehow outrun the WoL, but they can't catch up to him during his speech. Just so, so, so stupid an attempt to make him look cool for a trailer shot and it completely backfired for me. I like him less than I did before. Wuk herself was honestly a lot better, she was able to control herself and not make a scene when the the townspeople were in delusion, and her usage is a lot more nuanced. I feel bad for the little kid, dude has such a terrible family life. The alliance raid is a "did you play XI?" I'm aware for how much it lands for people...but I did, so it was awesome, I loved every reference it did and I'm happy I got to play it. So cool to see in XIV.
The music changes in the dungeon after beating each boss really struck me as a great touch. They're subtle at first when you go from boss 1 to boss 2, but as you showed here, emerging from the lab to see the storm, and the theme swells to something far more dramatic and apparent, instead of the quiet, haunting melodies from before? Brilliantly done.
Hm I don't really know. For me and many people that I know, those patch quests were just as bad as Dawntrail itself. It was boring pacing, we once again play the "uuuuh who is the real villain" game we had so often already, Sphene is annoying as always and so on. And if I remember correctly, didn't they say that Ascians will not be the bad guys in the future again? I hope not...because that would be the crown of bad story writing. It kinda gets old with Ascians
Right now, the only thing that's moving me towards more plot is Evil Sphene vs Good Sphene. Please please please let this be a thing for the next patches. Koana and Wuk Lamat can go back to Tural and let us Scions deal with this interdimensional bullshit.
Actually it feels we are going in to something big, and the comparison with how SB build up story is on point, two diffrent stories but the paterns are there, so iam very positive about this patch, while i agree Koana Section feels totally rushed, it was more a World Story Filler, the rest of the stuff is very great. There are alot of posibilities and they have alot of material to give us something big. I cant stop thinking how similar are Alexandria Society is to Eulmore Society and in the long Run to the Allagan Society. Lets Hope for a good Future lol.
The problem with the whole Sphene thing is… well, even if she were to be taken out, she was classified as an Endless. There could be an argument that it’s Sphene and they have, no, MUST preserve her no matter what, but then I’d argue that she’s not the only one, then. What about the original coders, the Preservers? I think Sphene being gone was something inevitably was going to happen, but why did this happen then? It could be from the Regulator that she wore, which was the crown. Why is that important? Well, what Endless had that? They are memories in Living Memory and none of them had that. This Endless Sphene, however, did. As for the person behind all of this, some of my friends are saying it’s an Ascian (if you look at the original artwork, you can see a few symbols there). My theory is a Preserver. For me, everything that messed the society up were from them. The decision of having people purposely be put in harms way (Living Memory had actual people living there at one point, but was suddenly moved below where the storm exists), after preserving Sphene, they wore their own line of code to make sure Sphene behaves in that matter, and came up with the Regulator business knowing full well it is putting everyone in danger. One of them could still be alive or trying to preserve the original plan (look at Manderville where in the Sildih plot, there weren’t any alive outside of two that were planning a long time revenge again Ul’dah)
It's maybe worth noting that there wouldn't have been any kind of "Sphene Factory", if you remember the cutscene with Zoraal Ja and Sphene somewhat facing off against one another, he cuts her in half, only for her to hop over to another robot nearby. She would use a combination of Wind and Light aether to create the image of Sphene on whatever she needed to, and she could do that pretty much anywhere in Solution 9 as it's all just computers and electrope.
The neo-Sphene arc is just going to be a rehash of the fake Ardbert/Elidibus arc from the 5.x patches guaranteed. These 5000 "endless" are just going to be turned into zombies you have to fight.
The theme of having kona and Baby Boy find some form of closure, and finding a way to move on and heal from it, just to show a whole culture and city being unable to do the same was so pointed, yet well done it actually hit me harder than I expected. This parch had so many themes of horror juxtaposed against healing and trauma it was healing my own expectations of Dawntrail. All of this on the back drop of us being on our own in terms of having people to back us up. The gods are gone, The ancients are gone, Emet and Vanat are gone. We gotta figure this out on our own
Smartest man in Tural almost killed himself to save a single Not!Buffalo. We learned that Zoraal Ja didn't want to be a father... the exact same thing we learned after defeating him, and Wuk Lamat, in her infinite wisdom, thought leaving the people of S9 alone with the fact they can now remember people's death was a good idea. This is worse than Stormblood.
Let's not forget "Going to the State funeral of a beloved ruler whom she played a huge part in killing". For a character that's supposed to be all about "understanding people" Wuk did the most insensitive and offensive thing possible by going to that funeral.
@@FredericckPesetasThe fact that you keep posting, insulting everyone else who didn't like 7.0 and the fact that you cannot fathom that people have *gasp* opinions, and that people don't have to like something mindlessly is honestly why the community gives the game a bad rep of blind and toxic positivity, where you have to like everything, or you're a hater. No nuance at all. All of these are valid criticisms and if your only argument to refute that is "no, you're wrong, play it again" makes me think you're the "kid" here. 7.0 MSQ was bad. 7.1 MSQ was bad.
I just hate the lack of consequences for actions. Like Bakool just getting away with unleashing Valigarmanda, in the patch, there's no tension in Tural about the Alexandrians coming to stay there even though the people in the city were attacked by them and their loved ones had their souls eaten and now these people are walking around with potentially, their loved ones souls in the regulators on their heads and no one cares? Like the Alexandrians have their memories screwed with but not the people without regulators. That bugged me so much during the patch. P.S. also the horrible irony after Koana almost died saving the cow when I opened my hunt log and they were listed so I immediately went right next to the settlement and killed some for sacks of nuts lol. They did not think that section through at all, at least remove them as hunt targets.
There's a few things to clarify: The people in Tural were attacked by the androids, who were led by Zoraal Ja, who also killed Alexandrians. I could see how there'd be a culture clash between Alexandria and Tural, but I don't see why Tural would hate the citizens when they were both victims. iicr, the souls taken from Tural were directly used by Zoraal Ja, and the souls taken Alexandrians was their main resource
@shadowthehedgehog181 The citizens don't know any distinction between the 2 and the fact that their people had their souls eaten, regardless by whom, when the Alexandrians come with regulators that they're openly talking about using souls, that should cause conflict. Yeah, some might be fine with them but many would not just be down with anyone associated with Alexandria coming after a massacre just happened. It's not something that can just be ignored like everything is cool. It's just like the Bakool thing, they need to address it or it feels extremely unrealistic. When a murderer kills someone, their family and friends get attacked and usually have to flee because the people want someone to blame, they're not gonna be like "Well it wasn't you", and this case is worse since they're allowed to walk around with regulators on.
But the people who came from Alexandria were Turali who got stuck in Shaaloani after the barrier went up. These were their families and old friends. And even if they were not. The people of Tural do not know aboutr regulators and all that. They have no image of what Alexandrians are like aside from "white robots".
@MaZeW1 The patch story literally starts with one of the Alexandria's that came from the dome to try and integrate talking about how hard the transition is. And the Alexandrians just talk openly about the regulators, especially since they don't remember, there would be no reason to think people wouldn't know what they do when people suddenly start coming in wearing them so they don't die until I guess their souls run out. But even then, they need to address the fact that not everyone is gonna be cool with it. A massacre happened, whether some of them were from there or not doesn't change that a whole bunch of people were just murdered in the streets, and if we're gonna assume they don't know what regulators are, then they absolutely wouldn't know about Sphene, the endless, the memory wiped and the distinction between the people and android soldiers. They would just view them like citizens of the country that just attacked them out of nowhere and killed the Dawn Servant and their loved ones. It would be no different than places like Garlemald not trusting us. Truly, there should be massive pushback causing Wuk and Koana to actually explain WTF is going on to the people in the city which should still cause a very polarized reaction. Otherwise it's like what happened with the lizard baby graveyard, it's unrealistic and unresolved even compared to past expansions.
I was surprised that they didn't change up the hunt currency this expansion because they had centurio seals for 2 expansions before switching to nuts and now nuts have been used for 3 expansions
Better yes, but still pretty flat and one-dimensionally written. Whoever writes for FFXIV now has to goddamn go. Dawntrail was such a huge letdown. It needs to be rewritten. The story isn't bad. The delivery is. It's amateurish, non-professional quality. And I also blame Yoshi for okaying it. DT is the huge 'but' I have to tell people about who want to begin playing FFXIV. And if the writing team doesn't change I do fear for the future. I will not tolerate another expansion like this. And the patch writing has been low-quality so far as well. Not as bad, because it is not that long as DT, but still bad.
@@FredericckPesetas If you want to discuss the merits of writing and storytelling with me, then maybe have a sense of writing in your comment first ;) Focusing on the messenger instead of the message also isn't a good way to criticise either. There are tons of good meta-analysis of the writing already present in the patch-content up to DT and DT itself, which you can look up yourself. So, instead of attacking someone personally because you don't like their opinion, maybe begin with your points of the discussion first, because I can give you tons of mine. I do not feel you actually want them though. You are just here to hate. Have fun with that.
@@doppelkammertoaster This is a new begining bro, They dont have a strong foundation from the starts. From a new begining with to adds a lot of set up. Yes. This is good, miles better than ARR. Of course you did not played ARR or u skiped it. Maybe you should start to be constructvive critism of a game u dont play, instead of sayign the same copy pasta which is joke already worn out.
@@FredericckPesetas They got you dead to rights though. It is hard to take a writing critique seriously when it's delivered with broken syntax and spelling. Slow down. Focus on one point at a time. Double check what you intend to post. Do not stray from the matter at hand.
@@FredericckPesetas You assume a lot of things and also focus on the messenger, quite apparently because you dislike the message. This is no way of having a constructive discussion. Or, to be direct, maybe grow a little ;)
Just to throw out the idea... the patch dungeon is quite explicitly dealing with "soul transfer", moving souls from one body to another. The original Sphene died, and became an Endless *after the fact*; it sounded like she was the first success, if I recall correctly... but was it? What if a "surrogate body" was needed? Could they implant "Sphene" into a new body, more or less? What happens to the pour soul who was forced to become Queen? "Dagger" could be that pour soul. The events in Living Memory caused her to become separated from the "Sphene" AI/Endless, which went back to Solution Nine... though I'm not quite sure what "Dagger" is, as a human body should have died long ago. An Endless operating a remote body? Or could it be a real person, just preserved for an exceptionally long time? Also ties in nicely as a call back to FF9, as Garnet/Dagger/Sarah was an orphan summoner child from across the sea (her mother having died during the journey) that was adopted by the Queen after her own child - the original Garnet - died at a very young age. The child looked a LOT like the original Garnet, but had her horn (the same type Eiko has) surgically removed to make her more better to blend in with her new role; so she was raised as Princess Garnet. With two apparent "Sphenes" running around, it seems too perfect for such a parallel (if clearly twisted) to not be the case. It'll be interesting to see it all play out, but I have my suspicions that "Dagger" may not be the original Sphene. In all likelihood, she's gone and has been since she first died. The "Sphene AI" was just meant to replicate her closely... with a few adjustments, so it'd follow Preservation's directives. Considering the mentions so far and no actual appearance, feels very likely they'll be the villains of the story arc.
What I expect is that preservation found a way to preserve Sphene's Life, possibly even cure her... but instead of doing that, they saw an opportunity to supplant sphene and use an artificial replica as a puppet for their own purposes, particularly to study dimensional fusion and Electrope.
the first success was actually ortis who had his soul transplanted into a robotic body intact, memory and soul-aether combined. which is why endless ortis never worked for me, considering that the game itself made it clear that he doesn't have the option to become an endless to raise the stackes for his death at the end of Solution 9. @ChainedFei 's theory would make sense in that regard if Endless Ortis isn't based on Ortis' Soul, then maybe endless sphene isn't either. But i don't trust the "new" writers to pull that off. Dawntrail is the peak of wasted ideas and themes in my book.
@@renemuller7383 Otis' curious existence could be of surprising importance going forward, actually. In the end, there was somehow two copies of him. I initially looked at the Endless version as a sort of "computer backup" while the robot was the original version. But even if that's not correct, we now have two Sphenes; there could be a similar root cause for both cases. Maybe, but probably not something to be ignored.
@@Raelhorn : the problem is, Ortis himself stated that the Endless-System wasn't a thing when his soul was transfered so there shouldnt be a "computer-backup" of him since there was no computer to back him up. end even if it was, the impliaction would be that they had to entangle his memory-aether from his soul-aether, scan it and than fuse them together again. however that theory already failes at the first part considering that ortis that that spliting soul and memory-aether was beyond the alexiandrians of his time. the only way for endless ortis to exist his him having nothing to do with the original and be a pure simulation base on other ppls memories of him.. however this makes his PTSD-episode nonsensical. it also leads to new question like. what actually happens to the memory-aether that was supposed to be the basis the endless existence and why is/can only be ortis an endless simulation, considering that the system does not seem to be able to do the same for other ppl, based on what we learn in the first area.
In the scenario with Kona I ended up being afk for over a minute because the boss absolutely nothing and takes 99% reduced damage, that really brought down the experience for me personally
I think its Sphene's mother behind it all. There's no Queen Brahne expy in Solution 9 and she was a major element in Garnet/Dagger's character development in 9. Also, it would fit with Hiroi's penchant for bad parenting
Just saw you on Twitch WoW - i almost didn't recognize you, haven't seen your vids in a long while - just wanted to say mate you look incredible! Keep it up
The Koana story was pretty much in a nutshell the issue I had with the entirety of DT: everyone is a bloody selfsacrificing hero. Why is that a problem? If everyone is a hero, why is what we do any special or hard or in any kind recommendable? Its just boring that everyone in this a good noodle. There are no conflicts of interest anywhere, nobody is greedy, nobody is uncaring... its all so save and cozy, its boring. Sure, we had the same in other expansions, but at least we had some disagreeable characters to make things lively. In ARR we got thrown under the bus quite literally, in HW we had to deal with corrupted clergy, in SB it was motivating the suppressed people and win a war. I'll give ShB and EW a pass: the people of Norvrandt were the survivors of a global catastrophy, that'll color your perspective as well as your actions: The Crystarium people that would keep going and the Eulmorans that opted to retreat from reality. In EW we faced the literal End of the World, so logically everyone would pitch in. - And now DT. We dont face another end of the world, there is no strife, no war, and yet everyone agrees with everything. There is no dissent, no conflict, to opposing opinions. Its like living under a bubble and its annoying. I'm sitting here, waiting for a wake-up call -.- Yes, the sensible thing for any mother to do is to grab their child and run. They wouldnt stay and tell some unspecified someone to take the child, they would make sure it was safe first. They wouldnt turn their back, they wouldnt leave it out of their sight. - Overall... nah. Not a fan of this storybit. Gulool Ja's part was nice, at least now we know how he was born in the first place. Gulool Ja overall is a fine character - just want to throw that out :) As for the Alexandrian part and the mourning... lemme put it this way: I Just want to level that tower. Just let me at it. I want it gone. The Alexandrians perverted life itself, ruined the cycle of birth and rebirth, and thought they could live on in their neat little paradise forever without ever thinking of the consequences and the bloody price tack. Personally, I would ask whether they are to be considered "alive" in the first place. Paradise comes at a cost and at least this issue is adressed, a little bit. Reality came knocking, so to speak, and I'm all for it.
Sphenes existance is more nuanced than just simply being a robot. She is more like a memory that exists, she just possessed androids to appear physically to us. Having a warehouse of "replacements" would just be silly
Man I'm so beyond gutted you weren't there for the Ult race. You pushed for it harder than anyone else. Keep your sched open next year, we need you around for the second DT one! Also back on topic - who the hell looks at Zoraal Ja and thinks 'oh yeah, great dad' x]
The Sphene that we meet and delete wasn't an android - she was a progam stored in a mainframe that we purged. Through the MSQ it is made clear that her 'body' is just a hologram projected onto any generic android soldier she likes. She literally possesses different ones through the MSQ exactly like an agent in the matrix. The giant robot we defeat at the end? A manifestation of Sphene's program inside the 'digital realm'. This is explained before we fight her. There isn't an actual giant robot in the physical world, and there isn't a warehouse full of more. On the other hand, there could easily be a backup of Sphene's program stored elsewhere. Or more likely, another party taking advantage of her hologram 'shell' for their own ends.
I feel like one of two things is happening: 1) A bunch of the main writers are working on something else. Be it a new game, or the MSQ for 8.0. 2) The game has gotten too big, and is unwilling to take the same kinds of risks they used to when they were more of an upstart. Either way, whatever is happening in the game just doesn't grip me anymore. And I guess there's a 3rd option, where the game is perfectly fine, and I've just fallen out of love with it, like I did with WoW. But I guess for me at this point, the difference is I still miss the idea of playing FF14, but I'm just not motivated to play anymore. Vs WoW, where at this point I'm just done with it after tWW.
This is the first time I skipped all cutscenes and spamclicked through all dialog. I'm just that done after 7.0. Koana wanting to throw his life away for a single cow after I turned hundreds of them into steaks and taco filling was confusing.
I liked the dungeon, I like the teasers at the end of 7.1, which gives me hope for 7.2, and I think coming to grips with death and loss is a worthwhile thread to pull on. I wasn't a huge fan of the rest. I thought it was beyond weird for any of us to be at the "funeral", considering we're the ones who destroyed her. I am 100% disinterested in the tadpole (Baby King). And Koana's buffalo infatuation made me roll my eyes so hard I almost hurt myself.
Imagine if the whole like revelation of his parents happened BEFORE we fought the crystal t-rex and so Koana was motivated by his sudden love for the cows AND his urge to get revenge for the parents he lost to it. Then maybe it would make more sense. Still hate that BOTH his parents were like "save our son! we're goin in!" like umm no? weird choice there
Yep we got the ascian imposter look back and a smile. Also I remember there was a lot of speculation when we first saw Sphene about her being related to Pashtarot
Pretty sure the sphene in Solution 9 is an artificial construct that Preservation has been using as a puppet to implement their own plans, rather than healing and releasing the real Sphene which would likely not approve of their science.
i rather didnt like the fact that we defaulting to a very VERY similar pattern to what SB post patch MSQs were from 4.1 onwards. Two Sphenes like two zenos and one is gonna be like fordola and the other is gonna be like yotsuyu
A bit optimistic but in terms of X.1 it is pretty decent MSQ wise, it doesn't "save" DT's MSQ since it is premised on 7.0's MSQ which was a 6/10 and it is hard to recover to a 8-10/10 when the source material is in the category of "it's alright." On the other hand the dungeon and raid content are solid this patch.
@@Blahblah-oo7lk I have hope. XIV unironically is decent at listening to feedback. Is it perfect? Hell no, it can never be, but after years of seeing the worst turn to the best back n' forth I know there'll be something good in time.
7.1 felt like this should have been placed in with dawntrail on release with some of the plot points it felt like it was meant to be slotted around the lvl 97-98 part of the msq almost but was pushed as for 7.1 content narratively would have worked better in 7.0 mixed in. I would have gladly have had no msq story for 7.1 if they worked this in the main story of dawntrail so it would have made more sense.
The copium is strong with you Preach. I've been in FFXIV since 3.0 with 9 alts, and my main has every relic in the game. Dawntrail's entire MSQ including these patches are an absolute low point for FFXIV. 7.1 did not save Dawntrail. It did very, very little to help it, mostly more of the silly, stupid, mediocre writing that plagued 7.0 38 years I've been playing Final Fantasy Games. Dawntrail just... It's done more damage than you may ever realize. If Square Enix doesn't change course.
I LOVE the direction they're taking the story with the citizens of Solution 9, including the citizens that were originally from Tural and got trapped there. The scene of the guy reuniting with his son, but now his son is around the same age as him in the blink of an eye, was really interesting to me. Like, I can't even imagine how strange it would feel, to have your 9 year old kid go missing, then be reunited just a few weeks later and he's aged to an adult with his own family and completely different culture and way of life. I'm so glad they had a scene showing that dynamic.
My Speculation: looks like someone has invented this AI System and perhaps as an special Endless are still overlooking it, even in 7.1. Aka Story line like "the Evil Prime Minister has taken over the Queen"
I don't agree with your assessment of Koana. He's a guy who spent his life not knowing his parents and holding some amount of resentment towards them for abandoning him as a baby. He may have embraced his newfound family, but as an adopted child, thoughts like that are hard to bury deep within his head. Once the succession ceremony is over, and his personality of the scientific progress-minded person has been chipped away by all the events that followed, he has a chance to meet and help out his own kind of people on a more personal level. Why wouldn't he throw himself headfirst into that role and throw caution to the wind? He's seen Wuk Lamat do it countless times for people of other races meanwhile the Hhetso ARE his people. Had he lived his life with his parents and their tribe, this is the life he would have had and he was taken out of it. So I fully believe Koana was trying to overcompensate and try to find his place with the tribe and their rroneek and embrace their culture as his.
@supertired6412 we are going to get a tank and highly likely ranged phys dps. . . It is adding up. The Relic we have can connect to other worlds... yshtola wants to go back to the First... you might just be right.
I think the 'Sphene' we see in 7.1 is just someone or something wearing her face. When she gave her pitch about everyone becoming Endless she sounded to me like a salesman trying to create FOMO. And Wuk's accusation sounded on point
I felt like Koana's origin story wasn't as concrete as Gulool Jas'. Like, with the lizard son we got for sure evidence that that was his mother and yes 100% this is what happened. whereas Koanas' was a bit more vague? He came to the conclusion that these were his parents because it happened in the same general area where he was found? there was still kind of a question mark for me there. it wasn't concrete for me, personally. it was too vague imo and it left too many doubts that maybe he wasn't the only child that was orphaned. maybe the two that faced the Rroneek Reaver weren't his parents, their child died, and Koanas' parents died in some other way? he can't have been the only orphan that was made because of the rampage. it was just too vague for me to buy, honestly.
Sadly after the Koana scene it knocked me back into the Dawntrail MSQ mindset and I all but discounted everything that came after it. I'm sure the "real" Sphene reveal and HAL-9000 Sphene should have been interesting but I just could not care to be interested. Game has really made me hit the point when Stormblood was released and I got so disinterested in the narrative that even Red Mage finally appearing could not stop me from going back to FFXI full-time. Maybe it's time to go farm some Dynamis and Salvage again full-time for a few years.
I'd say it's like 5/10 compared to 7.0 4/10. If you finish it during free sub event then it's fine. Still it seems Dawntrail killed my emotional attachment to the story unfortunately, it's all just like a filler anime that you pay absolutely no mind. Kinda sad for ffxiv, especially since I remember how hyped I was for sb/shb/endwalker.
Thanks for this video. I'm fine with the concept of Koana being in harm's way to protect a cow, but as usual, the execution of it wasn't to my liking. Him proclaiming to the beast that he would sacrifice himself and the way he tried to block the hit that sent him flying looked like it was all done to be overly dramatic. Also, I'm fine with his parents perishing in the attack, but having both of them leave it to others to protect their baby does feel odd. Thankfully I liked everything else and where we might be headed.
I just.. tapped out. I get they need to wrap up this story but... I hated the story. Logged in, there was WL in the first quest, logged off and haven't returned.
Honestly, I had a similar reaction. Fortunately, she actually takes a back seat for once in 7.1. It's not exactly stellar, but it's not nearly as awful.
Fortunately she takes a backseat in this patch, she actually dispenses some knowledge, realizes when to actually shut up and stop preaching, and know when to retreat. Now 7.1 won't "save" or fix all the problems from 7.0 just like how 4.1 couldn't save the reception of 4.0's MSQ, but there are some steps taken at least, though the Koana plotline felt like it was scrapped from 7.0 and put in 7.1.
I had a damn near identical reaction. Logged in, looked at my bars "huh. They didn't do any job changes, I guess" did the first quest "huh, there's Wuk lamat again, I guess" and then I just logged out.
13:25 Okay, more of a funny nitpick than anything: they handed you people in fantasy-native-American garb who rely on fantasy-bison, and you took that and swam it all the way to Polinesia.
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*Koana saves a single Rroneek by almost sacrificing himself*
*WOL kills 3 of them for a hunt bill and one Extra cause it got aggroed* /shrug
i spit out my coffee reading this. LMAO. thank you!
IKR! About the only logical explanation for that is overpopulation. We got problems like that in RL pertaining to deer, hence why there's a hunting season. To many deer end up destroying a local ecosystem so sadly SOME need to be removed. Same thing with alpacas even though that breaks my heart every time I see them in the hunt log.😭😭😭😭☹
@@sunayocarissime5309 If you think about it, he is saving this cow (and maybe later WOL has to depopulate rroneeks anyway) and killing this rare endangered creature. I guess the diamond dinosaur thingies don’t get to eat.
@@sunayocarissime5309 I think how it's explained is to prevent overpopulation.
@@sunayocarissime5309 The damn deer in my area have gotten smart enough to move into town where you can't legally shoot them. Can't have a garden anymore cause they'll just eat or trample anything you plant.
The more we learn about Wuk and Koana the more I understand why Zoraal Ja turned out the way he did, imagine sharing a home with dumb and dumber for a lifetime, its bound to take a toll on your mental health.
😂
And the worst part, watching them get chosen over you at the end of it? Yeah I think that'd tip most people over the edge x]
For someone with a title “Vow of Reason”, jumping in front of charging dinosaur to save a cow isn’t very… reasonable.
I felt really bad, because as soon as I finished the whole 'Save the Roneek!' sidequest. I noticed that the Roneek just happened to be on my hunting log for the day, and so I immediately left camp and slaughtered a few. Koana was willing to sacrifice his life for them, and after that, they were just a random thing I mindlessly slaughtered for some in game currency.
😆 When I did the Koana quest, I couldn't help be reminded of the time I had to grind out over a hundred roneek meat for cooking. He was so protective of that one cow and I had slaughtered dozens and dozens for my own pleasure.
Rroneek meat is also a key ingredient for collectable tacos that people have been spamming for scrips.
Its the same with the alpacas... So cute and fluffy... and they are one your hunting log. Yeah...
There's so much tonal dissonance in DT that I barely even noticed.
I did maps right after MSQ and also had Roneek spawn so...
About Koana backstory, what is weird, in my opinion, is the fact that the guy that saved him never mentioned that he found him in a destroyed village.
I thought the peddler found him the wilds. Also no village, Koana's people are nomads.
I think the peddler found him at the outskirt which made it more stupid for his parents since they ran out the village and went back in to die.
I feel like the Gulool Ja part of learning of his mother may not come back as an issue, it seems like it's there to deal with the themes of the patch. Everyone in Solution 9 wants to forget and not know what happened to the dead, Gulool Ja faces truth and decides it's better to know rather than remain ignorant despite the pain of the truth.
Also in terms of the Living Memory Sphene, I think it's the Sphene we met at the very end of Dawntrail. Mainly based of her line at the end of "I only have my memories of my time as an endless" and the crown shown at the end of the expansion. My running theory is kind of similar to your backup theory except it's the crown recreates sphene if anything goes wrong.
10:53 thank you! It absolutely felt like they just scooted that part forward to 7.1 so they could trim down the Shaaloani section of 7.0.
Exactly. This area screamed "cut scope" and slapping it into 7.1 made it feel out of place. I'm glad we got it at all, at least.
The Koana part was the first time I skipped MSQ parts since forever. I couldnt be assed at all. The whole cast of DT is so uninteresting to me... I'd rather have "saving the world with the bois.... AGAIN" than "Did you know THIS weird thing about this culture you see for the first time and dont care about?"
"Did you know THIS weird thing about this culture you see for the first time and dont care about?" - you mean something that was also made along the story from ARR to then get more of "saving the world with the bois.... AGAIN" by the end of the previous arc? To get to that AGAIN, in a new place, you might want/need some lore, background and culture presentation. As to it being well done or not, that's another two cents.
But I do find this comment kinda dumb.
The whole Koana section just reminded me that it feels like Dawntrails has all the moving parts for a great story, but they just put them all together wrong. They could easily have had a Echo explain the whole thing with the parents trying to escape and are forced to confront the monster while Baby Koana gets lost in the rubble and found later. It could still have the heroic symbolism of the parents sacrificing themselves without being so ham-fisted. Also, they really needed to have us accompanying Koana while we were doing chores for the Hhetsarro so we could see him build that connection with his culture rather than have that happen offscreen.
Totally agree, also that Koana part could be easily adjusted so it's not so out of place, have the team busying pacifying the cow while some fending off the other threat. Then have Koana just be in the line of path where the beast charging in , which then he made the attempt to stop it instead of what it is now where he leaping out to save them
Something weird happened in the CBU3 writing room because for all of Dawntrail characters haven't acted anything like their characterization. Everyone is just kinda "there", doing things, irrespective of their established personalities and motivations. It reminds me of when an AI writing tool loses coherence and starts mixing up characters and plot points.
18:15 ok but we already HAD that failsafe by her just being able to posess any body she wants to. The "robot" part, so the part that might break, was always disposable.
That was also why the server where sphene was actually stored was kept under such high security (aka the alexandria dungeon's boss fights). There were a lot of failsafes just at the end of DT we broke all (or now we know only most) of them
When you're dealing with preserving data, security means multiple copies.
Maybe that's just not possible with Endless, but when they went out of their way to make things all computery, one would be forgiven for expecting computery approaches to things.
Just played it, I don't see how it saved anything tbh, seemed like more of the same and I was struggling not to be bored. Yes there are some interesting concepts about dealing with death that they sort of hint at but I don't really have any faith that this new writing team will do anything beyond just sort of hinting at them. Same as any of the interesting concepts displayed during 7.0.
oh boy, I cant wait to learn that in OG Sphene backstory, she turns out to be yet another abandoned child who somehow ends up on the throne.
not exactly abandoned, but the game does confirm that her parents - the king and queen of alexandria - have died, so she ascended as the queen at a very young age
Getting caught up in an inundation of what essentially amounts to a lightning nuke counts as abandonment? Her parents were vaporized.
@@acgearsandarms1343 I meant OG sphene like prior to the lindblum war during her childhood, I am already half expecting them to double down on the orphan to royal trope since***spoiler for FF9***
FF9s Garnet was one.
I was so annoyed that Koana and Wuk Lamot are ready to sacrifice themselves for the cow, and then what happens to the kingdom? They are going to let their kingdom fall into chaos and instability so they can save a cow? So foolish. Those two need to learn to delegate.
Well that's demeaning, seems like you didn't understand the point of the story. I suggest replaying the bit so you are better versed on what happened.
I am not defending Dawntrail’s story because I wouldn’t say I liked it, but I found this comment ridiculous. Did you even play the game? Do you not know how their father, Gulool Ja Ja, became Dawnservant? certainly not by sitting in a fortress all day. With the same logic, I could say we, as a warrior of light, can’t fight unnecessary battles or save insignificant people because who is gonna save the whole world next time if we die or get injured?
@@danielc3029 difference being that koana is a scientist whose expertise is being smart. The wol was always a warrior whose expertise is fighting things it shouldn't and overpowering them. In arr we were just another warrior, doing whatever was necessary, but with a stellar track record. If we die, it's because finally something was stronger than us, and i guess at this point it just means we'll step down to wuk lamat to deal with it, since she's canonically stronger than the wol.
Either way, wuk or the wol would make sense to do what koana did and put themselves in danger like that. Koana should know better than getting himself killed for nothing, he's the "head" of reason ffs
@@pinkchckn This is how I know you're not actually paying attention to the story.
Koana was not selected as a Dawnservant candidate because his "expertise is being smart". He was chosen as a candidate because his *strength* was his smarts AND he has a willingness and skill to fight and engage in the battles that being Dawnservant requires. He's expected to hold his own in the War Room and on the Battlefield-- especially considering how much of the Rite involved combat. The entire point of his and Wuk's (and even BJJ's) arcs, likewise, is that they CANNOT just rely on their own relative strengths, but that they need to lend their whole selves, weaknesses and all, in the name of their people.
The Warrior of Light has never been "a warrior". Our abilities and strength have nothing to do with being a "warrior". We're blessed by Hydaelyn, and later we gain boons from Midgardsormr, Hraesvelgr (temporarily), Soroban, and Ardbert, and we're also a reincarnation of one of fourteen of the most skilled and powerful people on Ancient Etheirys.
Black Mages and Scholars and Bards exist, do they not? Hell, Koana is a Machinist. If a level 63 MCH 8/14ths WoL can throw himself in front of Susanoo's blade, it's just as reasonable for Dawnservant Koana to throw himself in front of a proportionally equal threat.
In fact, take away the entire strengths argument-- Koana's characterization since level 92 or 93 has him as someone who normally keeps a cool head under pressure, but will become reckless and stupid when he gets emotionally overwhelmed in personal matters. Being that the conceit of this arc is that he gains an immense appreciation for his people's traditions and culture, and Wuk Lamat is currently downed, it's entirely in character for him to jump in front of the Reaver.
Whether it's stupid or not does not take away from the fact that characters are allowed to have flaws (which is Good Writing, actually), and that this is a flaw that has been present and sufficiently communicated to the player since hour 3 or 4 of the MSQ.
Also, Wuk Lamat is not stronger than the Warrior of Light. She's never been stronger than the Warrior of Light. If your only evidence is "duh interphos phase transition", you're dumb and also not beating the "XIV Players can't read" allegations.
@@zedgovos4914 ok, still the worst metacritic score from all the expansions, including arr, and a mixed/mostly negative rating on steam.
So I guess the majority of the community is dumb for disliking it.
But hey, that's not my problem, it's Square's, they need to make me interested in the game, I don't need to force myself to like it.
I could argue with you over every single point you made, but I just don't care enough, if you want to call me dumb or whatever, do it, I dont care what a stranger thinks of me.
(Before watching) No. You can't save an entire MSQ of misery with a patch.
I'm also wondering how is it possible they don't know or have dealt with death... that just implies nobody befriends people that don't wear Regulators. We know there are those without regulators and they have to have died at some point.
Whoever decided that the leader of the biggest empire of the entire world would be willing to sacrifice his life for a fucking fantasy cow, after learning about his people for FIVE MINUTES, should be removed from the writing team.
in fact everyone that worked on the msq in dawntrail should be removed, there is literally nothing good about it
I don’t see the problem. He already felt strongly about all the ppl in the country before this. This just gave him more of a direct understanding of those people. He didn’t just all of a sudden become emotionally connected. He’s been like that since we met him.
And him being willing to put his life on the line for his people is part of the whole shtick that proves he’s the right kind of person to rule. That he’s not just some ruler who sits in their castle and lets everyone else do all the work. It’s not like he hasn’t stayed behind to manage things while others go do stuff either.
Also nj downplaying “fantasy cow” while the story literally tells you they’re not just livestock to them. They’re part of their family.
I feel like we needed another quest or two's length for us to spend more time with the Rhoneek in order for us to actually care about them enough
Tural would lose against any other nation in a 1v1 one though.
they are hopelessly behind on the tech side.
Heck Koana's ideas are from Sharlayan.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 "Tural would lose against any other nation in a 1v1 one though. " For now. Ishgard used to be basically a medieval society now they have freaking dragon riders.
Or instead of Garnet or Dagger, you find out that Sphene's name ends up being Brahne
I just cant get over the fact that the two Monarchs of a still budding and shaky nation continue to put themselves in harms way for what? A funeral and a cow? I just cant get over that but everything else concerning 7.1 wasnt too bad.
To be fair, Gulool Ja Ja would have done the same as them.
@@acgearsandarms1343 Maybe but they arent their father which is one thing I think they all realized except Zoraal which is why he acted the way he did.
You bring up a good point of them throwing themselves in harms way constantly. Compare that all the way back to the banquet at the end of 2.5. The leaders knew shit was up the creek but still understood that they had to be ushered away to be able to act on the larger repercussions. That sense of logic is completely absent from DT.
Imo 7.1 has the exact same writing flaws 7.0 has, the only difference being that it's not Wuk Lamat suffering from them the most. The writing is still cheesy, illogical and on the nose, the story structure all over the place, the script quality still lower...but it's shorter, so it's not as evident.
The MSQ was literally a rerun of 5.1 with the addition of sanding down every single character in the story, did they really need to resolve Koanas back story like this? We couldn't have any level of imperfection or tragedy for the characters or the societies they inhabit? Tural is so watered down they can't even let any group have any flaws or morally dubious failings which just reeks of the types of meddling that most media is subjected to these days.
What stuff are you even saying bro? Speak english? Can you please dont make stuff out of the water? Move one bro, chill out. The patch was good.
"Tural is so watered down they can't even let any group have any flaws or morally dubious failings." Ummm. Mamook? Alexandria?
I think it was speakers of hydaelyn that said the kona roneek arc reminded them of the meme from brooklyn 99 "I havent had roneek long but if anything happens to him ill off everyone in this room and then myself" energy. I didnt mind it, but yeah, we speed ran his arc.
the koana stuff bit felt lika a tales of story they release on the loadstone
One thing I was thinking about is how the false queen in Solution 9 immediately reintroduced the endless as solution. It makes me wonder why. Is there an inherent value in creating endless, something that needs to continue happening for some reason. A few ideas what that might be:
- I had the theory for longer that Alexandria's shard might already be rejoined but Alexandrian technology made them exempt from that somehow. This also would fit with FF9 and the unfinished Worldfusion of Terra and Gaia there.But that would mean there no longer was a proper aetherial sea in the shard and Origenics' mechanism that produces the endless was described as an artificial recreation of the processes souls go through in the aetherial sea. But this does not answer why the neo-regulators and technically it does not need the endless, only the soul splitting process.
- it was explained that endless require living aether. It is not impossible that something else is syphoning some of that off. Something, be that an entity or a machine requires it as well and is disguised through the process of making endless. And that something is somehow important or at least thinks itself important enough to justify all this.
Just finished watching and yeah this is a whole lot of head-canon happening with Preach just making stuff up in his head to make what's happening on the screen better or more deep. Props to him for doing that but that stuff is not communicated in the game, he is adding it in.
MSQ has always had a few "I could actually...well never mind" moments where you could just heal, kill or stop something. Dawntrail just had few too many moments that took you out and people just being a bit too dumb at times. I enjoyed it but it's the worst MSQ even below ARR. This patch turned things around a bit. However has others have pointed out and couple were mentioned in the video. There are still some plain stupid actions by characters. It's like why are they this stupid?
The new writers really need to stop and go "Would a real person do this", would a real leader of a nation throw their life away for a "cow". No, no they would not. To make it worse, it's not even a special or pregnant or anything that would give it some added value compared (VIP)human life as brutal as that sounds.
It's interesting what a contrast there is between the Alexandria stuff which was pretty good and the Turali stuff which was god-awful. Hopefully it's just a hangover from 7.0 and we get more of the good stuff and less of...whatever the hell that was!
Sphene being another Gemstone like Garnet makes me expect she won't be named Dagger but after another Weapon. Like "Twinblade", just like Zidane can use either.
And given Alexandria's naming convention such a name would not even be unusual
They need to wrap up dawntrail and go to another place. I hope this expansion was just a one off thing to get us to over arching story beyond solution nine and tural.
it was a okay/decent msq patch. I'm interested to see where it goes from here.
Sphene 2: Electrope Boogaloo.
Yeah the tribal part was fly-over country for me. Just felt so damned odd to me. Finding out where that excerpt from the trailer was just him protecting a cow... I was sitting there "Oh... ok. Sure I guess". Not saying it was terrible but it was just so, sooooo odd.
Patch to me was rather meh feeling almost like a repeat of previous MSQ stories. There was one bit i did like (visting the lab and the stuff attached to that) but beyond that it didn't really grab me. It's possible 7.2 what is revealed does become more interesting, but honestly this patch didn't sell me on the idea.
I am excited for what they plan to do with Sphene, but I am dreading so much the possibility that it's baby kings mom in sphenes body.
still waiting for them to explain why Tural seems completely unaffected and even unaware of the whole 'end of days, people turning into monsters' thing...
We already know this. The final days happen localized before they happen globally. We basically stomped out the fire before it could even singe the new world.
You would think someone on the entire continent would at least be aware that it happened...
I mean, they trade with other nations, they aren't isolationist, it just doesn't make sense that the people there would be completely unaware that a planet-ending event was occurring.
@@shikishiki The burning skies were the only localized part of the FInal Days. The turning incidents were affecting everyone immediately which is the awkward matter that's not addressed.
I believe it was already addressed. The Final Days happened too soon and the Scions stopped it super quickly. The areas affected by the Final Days (sky and all) had aether currents that were weak, Tural's aether currents was mentioned to be super abundant and strong, Alphinaud mentions that he hasn't felt as much ambient aether before. however the strong aether does end up creating more powerful natural disasters (i.e. the hurricane) but it is also a temporary shield against Meteion's Song of Oblivion. There are a couple NPCs in the trade city mentioning that something "big" happened overseas and that is it.
"Save" is a bit extreme. Post-MSQ Dawntrail looks like its going to be like Post-MSQ Endwalker in that its going to be really good for the game's long term health, sure.
But that doesn't remove the fact that Dawntrail was a WEAK expansion narratively. Not even ARR & Stormblood made me want to skip dialogue this badly...
x.1 patches are historically kinda meh for me. It's always for the large part a lil adventure to help the locals in some way after the big events of the expansion. Personally, I pray for it to turn out to be the Stormblood post-MSQ effect, as not only it's fitting how similiar the problems are to SB with DT, I look back on 4.x very fondly. I think if done right and with good focus 7.2 and 7.3 can be really good.
So? The same was literaly with StB. Can you please stop throwing excuses and making things up in other to justifity your DT hate? Grow up dude. I just saw an stream of ARR and I can 100% gurantee you. ARR is much, much worse than DT. So chillout
FYI: The OG Sphene was never queen, she was Princess Sphene.
well, depends on the context really. if she was the only one left of the royal family that basically makes her a queen. the coronation is really the only difference at that point.
I hate the 7.0 story, but I found the Solution 9 stuff to be much better quality that I expect from the FFXIV MSQ. However, the Koana stuff was B O R I N G and as terrible as base DT was, so I really hope that was leftovers from 7.0 they didn't have time to fix. I just did not care about that sidequest level plot, and Koana being a moron risking his life for a single (1) ugly baby not-cow when he'd be depriving his sister of her last family member, and Tulilloyal of half its leadership, for a fucking cow. Speaking of idiot plot, there was NOTHING preventing the player and retinue from following Koana, and instead we stood there like idiots again just like when Edgy Lizard killed Daddy. You cannot tell me Koana of all people can not only somehow outrun the WoL, but they can't catch up to him during his speech. Just so, so, so stupid an attempt to make him look cool for a trailer shot and it completely backfired for me. I like him less than I did before.
Wuk herself was honestly a lot better, she was able to control herself and not make a scene when the the townspeople were in delusion, and her usage is a lot more nuanced. I feel bad for the little kid, dude has such a terrible family life.
The alliance raid is a "did you play XI?" I'm aware for how much it lands for people...but I did, so it was awesome, I loved every reference it did and I'm happy I got to play it. So cool to see in XIV.
The music changes in the dungeon after beating each boss really struck me as a great touch. They're subtle at first when you go from boss 1 to boss 2, but as you showed here, emerging from the lab to see the storm, and the theme swells to something far more dramatic and apparent, instead of the quiet, haunting melodies from before? Brilliantly done.
Hm I don't really know. For me and many people that I know, those patch quests were just as bad as Dawntrail itself. It was boring pacing, we once again play the "uuuuh who is the real villain" game we had so often already, Sphene is annoying as always and so on. And if I remember correctly, didn't they say that Ascians will not be the bad guys in the future again? I hope not...because that would be the crown of bad story writing. It kinda gets old with Ascians
She's gonna be named Garnet for sure because it's another shiny stone.
They also best be bringing Otis back!
Right now, the only thing that's moving me towards more plot is Evil Sphene vs Good Sphene. Please please please let this be a thing for the next patches. Koana and Wuk Lamat can go back to Tural and let us Scions deal with this interdimensional bullshit.
7.1 is taking the story in a direction that I love.Trying to introduce the reality of death to people who have no concept of it is fascinating.
Actually it feels we are going in to something big, and the comparison with how SB build up story is on point, two diffrent stories but the paterns are there, so iam very positive about this patch, while i agree Koana Section feels totally rushed, it was more a World Story Filler, the rest of the stuff is very great. There are alot of posibilities and they have alot of material to give us something big. I cant stop thinking how similar are Alexandria Society is to Eulmore Society and in the long Run to the Allagan Society. Lets Hope for a good Future lol.
The problem with the whole Sphene thing is… well, even if she were to be taken out, she was classified as an Endless. There could be an argument that it’s Sphene and they have, no, MUST preserve her no matter what, but then I’d argue that she’s not the only one, then. What about the original coders, the Preservers? I think Sphene being gone was something inevitably was going to happen, but why did this happen then?
It could be from the Regulator that she wore, which was the crown. Why is that important? Well, what Endless had that? They are memories in Living Memory and none of them had that. This Endless Sphene, however, did.
As for the person behind all of this, some of my friends are saying it’s an Ascian (if you look at the original artwork, you can see a few symbols there). My theory is a Preserver. For me, everything that messed the society up were from them. The decision of having people purposely be put in harms way (Living Memory had actual people living there at one point, but was suddenly moved below where the storm exists), after preserving Sphene, they wore their own line of code to make sure Sphene behaves in that matter, and came up with the Regulator business knowing full well it is putting everyone in danger. One of them could still be alive or trying to preserve the original plan (look at Manderville where in the Sildih plot, there weren’t any alive outside of two that were planning a long time revenge again Ul’dah)
I will accept the Cow Detour only because it fixed the "talk to 3 people" formula - at least this time everyone you talked to had *new information*.
I really hope the story continues improving, great video!!!
It's maybe worth noting that there wouldn't have been any kind of "Sphene Factory", if you remember the cutscene with Zoraal Ja and Sphene somewhat facing off against one another, he cuts her in half, only for her to hop over to another robot nearby. She would use a combination of Wind and Light aether to create the image of Sphene on whatever she needed to, and she could do that pretty much anywhere in Solution 9 as it's all just computers and electrope.
The neo-Sphene arc is just going to be a rehash of the fake Ardbert/Elidibus arc from the 5.x patches guaranteed. These 5000 "endless" are just going to be turned into zombies you have to fight.
I already completely forgot everything that happened in 7.1 except for the little Galool Ja part.
If we need a Ninth representative for the Azemgers, the Garnet/Dagger descendant appearing at the end of the Patch would be a strong candidate 😁
It’s not that Dawntrail is back, I would say that it has finally arrived.
The theme of having kona and Baby Boy find some form of closure, and finding a way to move on and heal from it, just to show a whole culture and city being unable to do the same was so pointed, yet well done it actually hit me harder than I expected.
This parch had so many themes of horror juxtaposed against healing and trauma it was healing my own expectations of Dawntrail.
All of this on the back drop of us being on our own in terms of having people to back us up. The gods are gone, The ancients are gone, Emet and Vanat are gone. We gotta figure this out on our own
Smartest man in Tural almost killed himself to save a single Not!Buffalo. We learned that Zoraal Ja didn't want to be a father... the exact same thing we learned after defeating him, and Wuk Lamat, in her infinite wisdom, thought leaving the people of S9 alone with the fact they can now remember people's death was a good idea. This is worse than Stormblood.
Let's not forget "Going to the State funeral of a beloved ruler whom she played a huge part in killing". For a character that's supposed to be all about "understanding people" Wuk did the most insensitive and offensive thing possible by going to that funeral.
No kid, it is not. You dont even play FFXIV, why are you here? Stop repeating the same copy pasta
@@RavingNutter What a liar you are
@@FredericckPesetasThe fact that you keep posting, insulting everyone else who didn't like 7.0 and the fact that you cannot fathom that people have *gasp* opinions, and that people don't have to like something mindlessly is honestly why the community gives the game a bad rep of blind and toxic positivity, where you have to like everything, or you're a hater. No nuance at all.
All of these are valid criticisms and if your only argument to refute that is "no, you're wrong, play it again" makes me think you're the "kid" here.
7.0 MSQ was bad.
7.1 MSQ was bad.
8:40 honestly I'm unsure how actually voluntary that "volunteering" was.
I just hate the lack of consequences for actions. Like Bakool just getting away with unleashing Valigarmanda, in the patch, there's no tension in Tural about the Alexandrians coming to stay there even though the people in the city were attacked by them and their loved ones had their souls eaten and now these people are walking around with potentially, their loved ones souls in the regulators on their heads and no one cares? Like the Alexandrians have their memories screwed with but not the people without regulators. That bugged me so much during the patch.
P.S. also the horrible irony after Koana almost died saving the cow when I opened my hunt log and they were listed so I immediately went right next to the settlement and killed some for sacks of nuts lol. They did not think that section through at all, at least remove them as hunt targets.
There's a few things to clarify: The people in Tural were attacked by the androids, who were led by Zoraal Ja, who also killed Alexandrians. I could see how there'd be a culture clash between Alexandria and Tural, but I don't see why Tural would hate the citizens when they were both victims. iicr, the souls taken from Tural were directly used by Zoraal Ja, and the souls taken Alexandrians was their main resource
@shadowthehedgehog181 The citizens don't know any distinction between the 2 and the fact that their people had their souls eaten, regardless by whom, when the Alexandrians come with regulators that they're openly talking about using souls, that should cause conflict. Yeah, some might be fine with them but many would not just be down with anyone associated with Alexandria coming after a massacre just happened. It's not something that can just be ignored like everything is cool. It's just like the Bakool thing, they need to address it or it feels extremely unrealistic.
When a murderer kills someone, their family and friends get attacked and usually have to flee because the people want someone to blame, they're not gonna be like "Well it wasn't you", and this case is worse since they're allowed to walk around with regulators on.
But the people who came from Alexandria were Turali who got stuck in Shaaloani after the barrier went up. These were their families and old friends. And even if they were not. The people of Tural do not know aboutr regulators and all that. They have no image of what Alexandrians are like aside from "white robots".
@MaZeW1 The patch story literally starts with one of the Alexandria's that came from the dome to try and integrate talking about how hard the transition is. And the Alexandrians just talk openly about the regulators, especially since they don't remember, there would be no reason to think people wouldn't know what they do when people suddenly start coming in wearing them so they don't die until I guess their souls run out.
But even then, they need to address the fact that not everyone is gonna be cool with it. A massacre happened, whether some of them were from there or not doesn't change that a whole bunch of people were just murdered in the streets, and if we're gonna assume they don't know what regulators are, then they absolutely wouldn't know about Sphene, the endless, the memory wiped and the distinction between the people and android soldiers. They would just view them like citizens of the country that just attacked them out of nowhere and killed the Dawn Servant and their loved ones. It would be no different than places like Garlemald not trusting us. Truly, there should be massive pushback causing Wuk and Koana to actually explain WTF is going on to the people in the city which should still cause a very polarized reaction. Otherwise it's like what happened with the lizard baby graveyard, it's unrealistic and unresolved even compared to past expansions.
I was surprised that they didn't change up the hunt currency this expansion because they had centurio seals for 2 expansions before switching to nuts and now nuts have been used for 3 expansions
Better yes, but still pretty flat and one-dimensionally written. Whoever writes for FFXIV now has to goddamn go. Dawntrail was such a huge letdown. It needs to be rewritten. The story isn't bad. The delivery is. It's amateurish, non-professional quality. And I also blame Yoshi for okaying it.
DT is the huge 'but' I have to tell people about who want to begin playing FFXIV. And if the writing team doesn't change I do fear for the future. I will not tolerate another expansion like this. And the patch writing has been low-quality so far as well. Not as bad, because it is not that long as DT, but still bad.
No, it was not one dimecionaly writter. Bro, tell me, do u even play FFXIV? Or your here to join the hate DT bandwagon? Move with your life kid
@@FredericckPesetas If you want to discuss the merits of writing and storytelling with me, then maybe have a sense of writing in your comment first ;)
Focusing on the messenger instead of the message also isn't a good way to criticise either.
There are tons of good meta-analysis of the writing already present in the patch-content up to DT and DT itself, which you can look up yourself.
So, instead of attacking someone personally because you don't like their opinion, maybe begin with your points of the discussion first, because I can give you tons of mine. I do not feel you actually want them though. You are just here to hate. Have fun with that.
@@doppelkammertoaster This is a new begining bro, They dont have a strong foundation from the starts. From a new begining with to adds a lot of set up. Yes. This is good, miles better than ARR. Of course you did not played ARR or u skiped it.
Maybe you should start to be constructvive critism of a game u dont play, instead of sayign the same copy pasta which is joke already worn out.
@@FredericckPesetas They got you dead to rights though. It is hard to take a writing critique seriously when it's delivered with broken syntax and spelling.
Slow down. Focus on one point at a time. Double check what you intend to post. Do not stray from the matter at hand.
@@FredericckPesetas You assume a lot of things and also focus on the messenger, quite apparently because you dislike the message. This is no way of having a constructive discussion.
Or, to be direct, maybe grow a little ;)
Just to throw out the idea... the patch dungeon is quite explicitly dealing with "soul transfer", moving souls from one body to another.
The original Sphene died, and became an Endless *after the fact*; it sounded like she was the first success, if I recall correctly... but was it? What if a "surrogate body" was needed? Could they implant "Sphene" into a new body, more or less? What happens to the pour soul who was forced to become Queen?
"Dagger" could be that pour soul. The events in Living Memory caused her to become separated from the "Sphene" AI/Endless, which went back to Solution Nine... though I'm not quite sure what "Dagger" is, as a human body should have died long ago. An Endless operating a remote body? Or could it be a real person, just preserved for an exceptionally long time?
Also ties in nicely as a call back to FF9, as Garnet/Dagger/Sarah was an orphan summoner child from across the sea (her mother having died during the journey) that was adopted by the Queen after her own child - the original Garnet - died at a very young age. The child looked a LOT like the original Garnet, but had her horn (the same type Eiko has) surgically removed to make her more better to blend in with her new role; so she was raised as Princess Garnet. With two apparent "Sphenes" running around, it seems too perfect for such a parallel (if clearly twisted) to not be the case.
It'll be interesting to see it all play out, but I have my suspicions that "Dagger" may not be the original Sphene. In all likelihood, she's gone and has been since she first died. The "Sphene AI" was just meant to replicate her closely... with a few adjustments, so it'd follow Preservation's directives. Considering the mentions so far and no actual appearance, feels very likely they'll be the villains of the story arc.
What I expect is that preservation found a way to preserve Sphene's Life, possibly even cure her... but instead of doing that, they saw an opportunity to supplant sphene and use an artificial replica as a puppet for their own purposes, particularly to study dimensional fusion and Electrope.
the first success was actually ortis who had his soul transplanted into a robotic body intact, memory and soul-aether combined. which is why endless ortis never worked for me, considering that the game itself made it clear that he doesn't have the option to become an endless to raise the stackes for his death at the end of Solution 9.
@ChainedFei 's theory would make sense in that regard if Endless Ortis isn't based on Ortis' Soul, then maybe endless sphene isn't either. But i don't trust the "new" writers to pull that off. Dawntrail is the peak of wasted ideas and themes in my book.
@@renemuller7383 Otis' curious existence could be of surprising importance going forward, actually.
In the end, there was somehow two copies of him. I initially looked at the Endless version as a sort of "computer backup" while the robot was the original version. But even if that's not correct, we now have two Sphenes; there could be a similar root cause for both cases. Maybe, but probably not something to be ignored.
@@Raelhorn : the problem is, Ortis himself stated that the Endless-System wasn't a thing when his soul was transfered so there shouldnt be a "computer-backup" of him since there was no computer to back him up.
end even if it was, the impliaction would be that they had to entangle his memory-aether from his soul-aether, scan it and than fuse them together again. however that theory already failes at the first part considering that ortis that that spliting soul and memory-aether was beyond the alexiandrians of his time.
the only way for endless ortis to exist his him having nothing to do with the original and be a pure simulation base on other ppls memories of him.. however this makes his PTSD-episode nonsensical. it also leads to new question like. what actually happens to the memory-aether that was supposed to be the basis the endless existence and why is/can only be ortis an endless simulation, considering that the system does not seem to be able to do the same for other ppl, based on what we learn in the first area.
In the scenario with Kona I ended up being afk for over a minute because the boss absolutely nothing and takes 99% reduced damage, that really brought down the experience for me personally
I think its Sphene's mother behind it all. There's no Queen Brahne expy in Solution 9 and she was a major element in Garnet/Dagger's character development in 9. Also, it would fit with Hiroi's penchant for bad parenting
Just saw you on Twitch WoW - i almost didn't recognize you, haven't seen your vids in a long while - just wanted to say mate you look incredible! Keep it up
The Koana story was pretty much in a nutshell the issue I had with the entirety of DT: everyone is a bloody selfsacrificing hero. Why is that a problem? If everyone is a hero, why is what we do any special or hard or in any kind recommendable? Its just boring that everyone in this a good noodle. There are no conflicts of interest anywhere, nobody is greedy, nobody is uncaring... its all so save and cozy, its boring. Sure, we had the same in other expansions, but at least we had some disagreeable characters to make things lively. In ARR we got thrown under the bus quite literally, in HW we had to deal with corrupted clergy, in SB it was motivating the suppressed people and win a war. I'll give ShB and EW a pass: the people of Norvrandt were the survivors of a global catastrophy, that'll color your perspective as well as your actions: The Crystarium people that would keep going and the Eulmorans that opted to retreat from reality. In EW we faced the literal End of the World, so logically everyone would pitch in. - And now DT. We dont face another end of the world, there is no strife, no war, and yet everyone agrees with everything. There is no dissent, no conflict, to opposing opinions. Its like living under a bubble and its annoying. I'm sitting here, waiting for a wake-up call -.-
Yes, the sensible thing for any mother to do is to grab their child and run. They wouldnt stay and tell some unspecified someone to take the child, they would make sure it was safe first. They wouldnt turn their back, they wouldnt leave it out of their sight. - Overall... nah. Not a fan of this storybit.
Gulool Ja's part was nice, at least now we know how he was born in the first place. Gulool Ja overall is a fine character - just want to throw that out :)
As for the Alexandrian part and the mourning... lemme put it this way: I Just want to level that tower. Just let me at it. I want it gone. The Alexandrians perverted life itself, ruined the cycle of birth and rebirth, and thought they could live on in their neat little paradise forever without ever thinking of the consequences and the bloody price tack. Personally, I would ask whether they are to be considered "alive" in the first place. Paradise comes at a cost and at least this issue is adressed, a little bit. Reality came knocking, so to speak, and I'm all for it.
Sphenes existance is more nuanced than just simply being a robot. She is more like a memory that exists, she just possessed androids to appear physically to us. Having a warehouse of "replacements" would just be silly
Man I'm so beyond gutted you weren't there for the Ult race. You pushed for it harder than anyone else.
Keep your sched open next year, we need you around for the second DT one!
Also back on topic - who the hell looks at Zoraal Ja and thinks 'oh yeah, great dad' x]
The Sphene that we meet and delete wasn't an android - she was a progam stored in a mainframe that we purged. Through the MSQ it is made clear that her 'body' is just a hologram projected onto any generic android soldier she likes. She literally possesses different ones through the MSQ exactly like an agent in the matrix. The giant robot we defeat at the end? A manifestation of Sphene's program inside the 'digital realm'. This is explained before we fight her. There isn't an actual giant robot in the physical world, and there isn't a warehouse full of more.
On the other hand, there could easily be a backup of Sphene's program stored elsewhere. Or more likely, another party taking advantage of her hologram 'shell' for their own ends.
I am completely tapped out at this point, honestly
I feel like one of two things is happening:
1) A bunch of the main writers are working on something else. Be it a new game, or the MSQ for 8.0.
2) The game has gotten too big, and is unwilling to take the same kinds of risks they used to when they were more of an upstart.
Either way, whatever is happening in the game just doesn't grip me anymore. And I guess there's a 3rd option, where the game is perfectly fine, and I've just fallen out of love with it, like I did with WoW. But I guess for me at this point, the difference is I still miss the idea of playing FF14, but I'm just not motivated to play anymore. Vs WoW, where at this point I'm just done with it after tWW.
This is the first time I skipped all cutscenes and spamclicked through all dialog. I'm just that done after 7.0. Koana wanting to throw his life away for a single cow after I turned hundreds of them into steaks and taco filling was confusing.
the damage was done with the dumpster that was 7.0.
7.1 and 7.2 will be skip cutscene content regardless if there was redemption.
Sounds miserable
I cackled so hard all the way through the Koana section, it was hilarious
I really hope we get a chill Ascian someday .. I kinda just want one to be our pal.
I liked the dungeon, I like the teasers at the end of 7.1, which gives me hope for 7.2, and I think coming to grips with death and loss is a worthwhile thread to pull on. I wasn't a huge fan of the rest. I thought it was beyond weird for any of us to be at the "funeral", considering we're the ones who destroyed her. I am 100% disinterested in the tadpole (Baby King). And Koana's buffalo infatuation made me roll my eyes so hard I almost hurt myself.
The only therapy that exists in FFXIV is more Tacos.
Garnet is the name the Queen gave her, and Dagger is the name Zidane gave Garnet, but Sarah is her real name if you do the side quest in ff9
Imagine if the whole like revelation of his parents happened BEFORE we fought the crystal t-rex and so Koana was motivated by his sudden love for the cows AND his urge to get revenge for the parents he lost to it. Then maybe it would make more sense. Still hate that BOTH his parents were like "save our son! we're goin in!" like umm no? weird choice there
Yep we got the ascian imposter look back and a smile. Also I remember there was a lot of speculation when we first saw Sphene about her being related to Pashtarot
Pretty sure the sphene in Solution 9 is an artificial construct that Preservation has been using as a puppet to implement their own plans, rather than healing and releasing the real Sphene which would likely not approve of their science.
i rather didnt like the fact that we defaulting to a very VERY similar pattern to what SB post patch MSQs were from 4.1 onwards. Two Sphenes like two zenos and one is gonna be like fordola and the other is gonna be like yotsuyu
"save" feels a bit optimistic, but as far as an x.1 patch, we've definitely had worse before
A bit optimistic but in terms of X.1 it is pretty decent MSQ wise, it doesn't "save" DT's MSQ since it is premised on 7.0's MSQ which was a 6/10 and it is hard to recover to a 8-10/10 when the source material is in the category of "it's alright." On the other hand the dungeon and raid content are solid this patch.
@@Blahblah-oo7lk I have hope. XIV unironically is decent at listening to feedback. Is it perfect? Hell no, it can never be, but after years of seeing the worst turn to the best back n' forth I know there'll be something good in time.
@@Blahblah-oo7lk So was StB, stop bieng hyperbolic
7.1 felt like this should have been placed in with dawntrail on release with some of the plot points it felt like it was meant to be slotted around the lvl 97-98 part of the msq almost but was pushed as for 7.1 content narratively would have worked better in 7.0 mixed in.
I would have gladly have had no msq story for 7.1 if they worked this in the main story of dawntrail so it would have made more sense.
The copium is strong with you Preach. I've been in FFXIV since 3.0 with 9 alts, and my main has every relic in the game. Dawntrail's entire MSQ including these patches are an absolute low point for FFXIV. 7.1 did not save Dawntrail. It did very, very little to help it, mostly more of the silly, stupid, mediocre writing that plagued 7.0
38 years I've been playing Final Fantasy Games. Dawntrail just... It's done more damage than you may ever realize. If Square Enix doesn't change course.
I LOVE the direction they're taking the story with the citizens of Solution 9, including the citizens that were originally from Tural and got trapped there. The scene of the guy reuniting with his son, but now his son is around the same age as him in the blink of an eye, was really interesting to me. Like, I can't even imagine how strange it would feel, to have your 9 year old kid go missing, then be reunited just a few weeks later and he's aged to an adult with his own family and completely different culture and way of life. I'm so glad they had a scene showing that dynamic.
My Speculation: looks like someone has invented this AI System and perhaps as an special Endless are still overlooking it, even in 7.1. Aka Story line like "the Evil Prime Minister has taken over the Queen"
Writing team sucks at the moment. That is all
I don't agree with your assessment of Koana. He's a guy who spent his life not knowing his parents and holding some amount of resentment towards them for abandoning him as a baby. He may have embraced his newfound family, but as an adopted child, thoughts like that are hard to bury deep within his head. Once the succession ceremony is over, and his personality of the scientific progress-minded person has been chipped away by all the events that followed, he has a chance to meet and help out his own kind of people on a more personal level. Why wouldn't he throw himself headfirst into that role and throw caution to the wind? He's seen Wuk Lamat do it countless times for people of other races meanwhile the Hhetso ARE his people. Had he lived his life with his parents and their tribe, this is the life he would have had and he was taken out of it. So I fully believe Koana was trying to overcompensate and try to find his place with the tribe and their rroneek and embrace their culture as his.
Brilliant, Mike and team, thank you!
good questions! good suspense. Intrigue incoming, ff fam ♥
Not beating the Stormblood 2 allegations.
Peak is back in the menu.
I never understood this, 'cause I loved Stormblood, but hated Dawntrail.
That just means 8.0 will be shadowbringers 2, surely
nah, stormblood was way better
@supertired6412 we are going to get a tank and highly likely ranged phys dps. . . It is adding up. The Relic we have can connect to other worlds... yshtola wants to go back to the First... you might just be right.
Most players that quit at X.0 return at X.5.5 and the bad experience with 7.0 already happened ;)
I think the 'Sphene' we see in 7.1 is just someone or something wearing her face. When she gave her pitch about everyone becoming Endless she sounded to me like a salesman trying to create FOMO. And Wuk's accusation sounded on point
Sharlayan might have "therapists". Tulliolol... maybe that giant elder could help?
I felt like Koana's origin story wasn't as concrete as Gulool Jas'. Like, with the lizard son we got for sure evidence that that was his mother and yes 100% this is what happened. whereas Koanas' was a bit more vague? He came to the conclusion that these were his parents because it happened in the same general area where he was found? there was still kind of a question mark for me there. it wasn't concrete for me, personally. it was too vague imo and it left too many doubts that maybe he wasn't the only child that was orphaned. maybe the two that faced the Rroneek Reaver weren't his parents, their child died, and Koanas' parents died in some other way? he can't have been the only orphan that was made because of the rampage. it was just too vague for me to buy, honestly.
Dude, you dont even play FFXIV, why u even care?
@@FredericckPesetas whut
My WOL seeing Sphene again: It's REAPING TIME!
Wuk Lamat: hey maybe don't do that
My WoL: naw you right girl, but REAPING remains available to us.
Love the theories, and i enjoyed 7.1. Loved the 24 man raid, and just finished the savage tier, lookng forward to next tier.
I have a theory of how Solution 9 saga will end
Gulool Ja, THE KING OF REASON
Garnet/Dagger, THE QUEEN OF RESOLVE
Sadly after the Koana scene it knocked me back into the Dawntrail MSQ mindset and I all but discounted everything that came after it. I'm sure the "real" Sphene reveal and HAL-9000 Sphene should have been interesting but I just could not care to be interested.
Game has really made me hit the point when Stormblood was released and I got so disinterested in the narrative that even Red Mage finally appearing could not stop me from going back to FFXI full-time. Maybe it's time to go farm some Dynamis and Salvage again full-time for a few years.
I'd say it's like 5/10 compared to 7.0 4/10. If you finish it during free sub event then it's fine. Still it seems Dawntrail killed my emotional attachment to the story unfortunately, it's all just like a filler anime that you pay absolutely no mind. Kinda sad for ffxiv, especially since I remember how hyped I was for sb/shb/endwalker.
Thanks for this video. I'm fine with the concept of Koana being in harm's way to protect a cow, but as usual, the execution of it wasn't to my liking. Him proclaiming to the beast that he would sacrifice himself and the way he tried to block the hit that sent him flying looked like it was all done to be overly dramatic. Also, I'm fine with his parents perishing in the attack, but having both of them leave it to others to protect their baby does feel odd. Thankfully I liked everything else and where we might be headed.
I just.. tapped out. I get they need to wrap up this story but... I hated the story. Logged in, there was WL in the first quest, logged off and haven't returned.
Honestly, I had a similar reaction. Fortunately, she actually takes a back seat for once in 7.1. It's not exactly stellar, but it's not nearly as awful.
Fortunately she takes a backseat in this patch, she actually dispenses some knowledge, realizes when to actually shut up and stop preaching, and know when to retreat. Now 7.1 won't "save" or fix all the problems from 7.0 just like how 4.1 couldn't save the reception of 4.0's MSQ, but there are some steps taken at least, though the Koana plotline felt like it was scrapped from 7.0 and put in 7.1.
I had a damn near identical reaction. Logged in, looked at my bars "huh. They didn't do any job changes, I guess" did the first quest "huh, there's Wuk lamat again, I guess" and then I just logged out.
That "Cow" Rroneek that Koana saved, has a look\face, that is too close to a Hrothgar
preach.
Sphene is not an Android.
She's an A.I
I hope this og/other Sphene has longer different hair like dagger/garnet
13:25 Okay, more of a funny nitpick than anything: they handed you people in fantasy-native-American garb who rely on fantasy-bison, and you took that and swam it all the way to Polinesia.
"Your mom was kind of a freak" Not kind of hahahahah. That was exactly my reaction. Why are we giving this kid such info lol