DCS: AJS-37 Viggen. SEAD, Jamming and Missile evasion practice.

[@SFDPSFDP]

Highly instructive video, one of my favourite for the Viggen, thank you very much Badjoe!

[@Badjoe117]

You're welcome! And I'm glad you like it, I hope you found it useful in this rather difficult but fun role for the Viggen!

[@karlchilders5420]

IRL, missile engagement zones are layered with multiple types of missiles, with differing search methods, engagement profiles, and detection areas. They will be augmented by fighter engagement zones and other areas where they expect enemy presence, infiltration, or activity.
Btw, I love the Viggen. It's a great jet and is superb at interdiction/attack style missions. I'd love to see the Panavia Tornado in DCS for the same reasons, except it is even quicker than the Viggen and has a stunning array of air to surface weaponry that it can employ...
Anyway, excellent video, please keep them coming. :)

[@Badjoe117]

Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed the video! And the Tornado would be cool indeed as a companion to the Viggen.
And yeah, IRL there would be way more missile defences guarding an expensive system like the S-300, this was kind of a "Can I take out an S-300 in the Viggen? Oh shit I can!" haha

[@karlchilders5420]

@@Badjoe117 I don't know why many people IRL (and in the sim community) regard Russian anti-air missiles as some sort of Jedi wonder weapon that can just threaten aircraft and they fall out of the sky.. They have strengths, and weaknesses. In the sim world, the ECM/ECCM code reflects the dearth of real-world information being available due to the highly sensitive and classified nature of those items. You have done a good job at showing how to maneuver the jet in such a way as to mitigate the majority of launch techniques levied against your weapons system.
Hope you have a great new year, filled with more excellent content that we can see here on UA-cam. :)
Be well..
Regards,
Karl

[@Badjoe117]

@@karlchilders5420 I think it is just that people don't have the experience to deal with air defences and so many have been shot down by them at long distances. I used to fear most of the long range SAMs. But after doing these test runs I did here (I did one before recording.) I found that I no longer really fear radar guided SAMs other than the SA-15 if it catches me unaware and I don't have time to dive to break line of sight. Since we fly the Viggen so low combined with its speed we get plenty of time to break LOS to most air defences compared to A-10's and such which usually fly up high.
And hope you have a good new year too! I'll hopefully be uploading more content now that the holidays are over.

[@khwaac]

That was some crazy manoeuvring around those close missiles. How were you so calm?

[@Badjoe117]

Thanks and I don't know actually haha. Though I am a very calm person, so for me it is kind of normal. Then on top of that I have some experience in flying the Viggen so I know roughly where the limit goes on what I can and cannot do.

[@lukenielsen8397]

Hejsa og tak for disse her film om SEAD i AJS 37 Viggen... var super fedt!!

[@Badjoe117]

You're welcome and glad you like it!

[@bmbpdk]

Hello Sir.
Thank you for a interesting and informative video.
Technically SEAD means "Suppression of enemy air defence", ie blinding the enemy/jamming and forcing the enemy to turn off their radars and "hold fire" (Soft kill if you like).
What so many confuse SEAD with is DEAD, "Destruction of enemy air defence", who´s purpose is to literally destroy/bomb enemy air defence infrastructure and launch platforms.
Many dedicated SEAD missions turns into DEAD missions, depending on how stubborn the enemy AD is/deathwish is.
So SEAD and DEAD is technically two different things, that is often combined.
Take a look into the F-4/F-16 wild weasel mix, that is a pretty good example on how SEAD/DEAD goes hand in hand but is two different things.
The SEAD plane finds the emitter with the DEAD plane moving in for the kill while the SEAD blinds and confuse the emitter.
When you say that S-300 sites are protected by its own network, you are absolutely correct.
That is part of Tor´s, Pantsirs and Tunguska´s jobdescription among other things.
Research the Russian deployment in Syria at Khemeimim and Quamishli air bases.

[@Badjoe117]

Thank you for your comment. And yeah SEAD and DEAD are two completely different things that are related to each other. We usually use the term SEAD for both actions as more people are familar with what SEAD means as a broad term. When you have more newcomers it tends to be the easiest way to explain a mission involving attacking enemy air defences in one quick word.

[@bmbpdk]

@@Badjoe117 You are welcome and yes, often "laziness" comes before "Correctness".
As a former soldier i know that there are the "book way" and the real life way to do and say stuff.
The real life way is preferred in almost every instances.

[@jowenjv4463]

All of this, I do it without trackIR ;) just a bit of adaptation to handle the mouse in the left hand and a fast acces button on my joystick to toggle clickable cockpit. I'm as efficient as some of my friend with their TrackIR. And I fly Helos, too. And same in BMS. The most difficult thing without TrackIR for me is A/A refueling with the Harrier.
Nice video. I was very doubtful about the RB-75 choice. But you seems to be very efficient with them. For this kind of situation i'll carefuly study the map to set a series of waypoints avoiding large forests zones and threats. I'll go CQC with the S-300. Then i'll have the choice between BK-90 or high drag bombs. I find Bk-90 way too easy so I usually go for bombs. RB-05 is also very effective in CQC, simple and powerful. I find that the most lethal SAM for me is the SA-19. It don't have a great range, but when I manage to go CQC, its guns rip me apart every time.. No choice with them : RB-75 if you manage to spot them (which can be very hard) or BK-90.
Cheers from France.

[@Badjoe117]

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! And yeah I played for several years without TrackIR, using the hat switch and all that for view. And it is definitely doable without it, just that getting TrackIR is like getting your first rudder pedals, you didn't think you'd need them much, but once you get used to it it is hard to go back again. haha
And usually I go with the RB75s as normally you don't have much information on the SAMs and all that in a multiplayer game. In my mission those units were supposed to be "concealed" as we only knew the location of the S-300 and not the others, but assumed that they were sprinkled all over the place. But since the Viggen is a planning aircraft and I have enough information to make a detailed flight path then I'd definitely go with the BK90s for maximum destruction, or a couple of Viggens with High drag bombs which are also fun to use. And yeah the SA-15 and SA-19 are a pain to deal with, as they can shoot down both RB-75s and BK90s with their missiles/cannons. Even the S-300 shot down the first maverick in this video when I watched the Tacview.
What I do love about the RB-75s though is the long 20+km range on them and they are usually a guaranteed kill.

[@jowenjv4463]

Badjoe117 Yes they have pretty long legs, specialy with the speed of the Viggen to help them.
Have you tried ELINT operations with the U/22A recently ?

[@Badjoe117]

I have tried some ELINT, but nothing much so far. Just a quick few attempts to see how it works and it definitely is an interesting and unique feature for sure.

[@jowenjv4463]

Badjoe117 did you had good results ? Mine were disapointing

[@Badjoe117]

I did have some good results the first time against the same S-300 as in this video, narrowing down the area to a couple of Km. But then after trying it a few times again I was unable to get a good prediction. I know you have to get a signal from as many angles as possible to get a good prediction of the area. But I think nav drift might have been the problem, so maybe you have to fly low to make sure TERNAV updates it constantly? Or do nav fixes on recognizable landmarks when flying high.

[@dogone7262]

Reverse thrust is only allowed between 250 and 100 km/h. Adjust your seat. :)

[@casper4109]

So how come a SA10 shoots down 5 AGM 88 HARMs shot from different directions but not one maverick?

[@Badjoe117]

No idea, probably somethung with the code or radar cross section perhaps? In the tacview they launched several missiles at the Maverick but by the time they fired the missile was unable to turn fast enough to hit due to the close range.

[@01MeuCanal]

Viggen cockpit is lovely!

[@Badjoe117]

It is indeed pretty nice, not too cluttered or anything.

[@hejdu4480]

Lärde mig väldigt mycket under denna videon, tack :D

[@Badjoe117]

Kul att vara till hjälp. Och tack till dig för att du tyckte om den.

[@mikaeldjurberg6072]

Snyggt flygning. Din exit var lägre än Glocalnet :D

[@Badjoe117]

Tackar tackar haha

[@TheSlugstoppa]

Excellent video and brilliant flying. A pity the Viggen has no gun because you could have stitched that Gecko.

[@Badjoe117]

Thank you very much! And it is indeed a shame, then again the light weight is also what gives the Viggen its speed.

[@theeltea]

Wow, nice startup. Fast

[@Badjoe117]

Thank you, the Viggen is pretty quick to start for a more modern Jet. I think mainly because there is no GPS alignment needed and most things are completely automated.

[@masterofstyx]

Thanks for a great video! Has some good tips & advice. About evading the missiles in the end of the video - can you open up a little bit more your technique? When the missile gets close, you'll just basically out turn it?

[@Badjoe117]

Pretty much yeah, pull back as much as you think you can on the stick. If you go too fast then you might lose your wings due to too high G-forces on them, or you could quickly black out. But I find that as long as you are below supersonic you can safely pull some high G's. Observe the G-meter to the right of the hud and clock when I'm evading and you can see me pull alot of G's

[@Badjoe117]

And thanks I'm glad you enjoyed it as well!

[@smashy152]

Would you recommend the bk90 or mavericks for sead? The bk90 has decent standoff range of 8km when launched correctly, obviously shorter then the mavericks range but can be launched alot faster without having to lockup the targeting monocle . Come in at 20meters at mach 0.9 popup to 100meters at 10km from target and launch at 8km dip back down to 20m and GTFO

[@Badjoe117]

Theoretically they would be very good in that role as AA and SAM units are fragile. And I haven't played DCS in a few months now, but last I played the BK90 itself was really hard to land good hits on target with, even with a recent nav fix and nominal launch conditions they would often deploy their payload too far from the target. And while they work sometimes they were very unreliable in dealing consistent damage. The Rb75s on the other hand can only get at most 1xkill per missile (unless enemies are bunched up) but they are nearly 100% reliable in reaching their target unless they are shot down.

[@Fireburnin21]

"You NEED a track IR to do this!" *cries in poor*

[@Badjoe117]

You can of course do it without track IR but it is a whole lot easier with it that is for sure!

[@skatterpro]

Look up trackhat. It's something like 1/3 of the price of the cheapest Track IR.

[@fatdelinquent85]

still poor ? DEAN Clip is another alternative. Still costs some money but far less than track IR.

[@oreste1964]

I also want to learn to fly like this with the Viggen! Thanks for the video, it's not easy to learn the plane, it has special systems, Nordic systems :)

[@Badjoe117]

It takes a bit of practice to learn for sure, especially if you don't know Swedish. But it is a very fun plane once you get good enough that you can react to threats and other situations without having to think.
So keep on practicing, and you'll be able to do some crazy stuff!

[@oreste1964]

@@Badjoe117 thanks for the advice, now I am practicing, I find it very nice that the plane can land practically anywhere .. I can brake with the ground thrust inverters. I train in low-level flight, and I read the manual and slowly I learn. my passion are the planes of the second world war and the cold war :) Keep making videos, really like your style.

[@Badjoe117]

@@oreste1964 That's good, keep on practicing. Low level flight and keeping your head on a swivel is very important since you don't have too many modern systems to warn you. Being able to aim and fire your weapons quickly is also important so you can dive down behind cover again as quickly as possible.
As for making videos I'm currently taking a bit of a break from DCS as I have played it so much in the last year and a half.

[@oreste1964]

@@Badjoe117 No problem, even I sometimes take a break but then I always come back to fly, Dcs is always installed on my pc .. even Sturmovik hehe :)

[@drvnwolfwolfie1377]

Give ME my PROWLER!!!!! will gladly fly it

[@foxone41]

Can you share your training mission? Its a good evironment for sam evasion practice

[@Badjoe117]

Sure, I don't have the particular version from the video anymore. But here is the updated version with some changes and additions: www.dropbox.com/s/mbrrwmex0l9yhso/Viggen%20MP%20training.miz?dl=0

[@foxone41]

@@Badjoe117 THX Captain at your orders any time any way

[@moshoyoko2480]

@@Badjoe117 thanks for the mission file, can't wait to try it out myself, those missile dodges were sick!!!, and so was the whole engagement!!, plz do more of these! 🙏🙏🙏 :)

[@Badjoe117]

@@moshoyoko2480 Thank you! I'll be uploading various videos with the Viggen depending on what I happened to record and maybe also a few tutorials too. And have fun on the map!

[@robertraman6307]

Impressive low level flying

[@kovacskristofhun2278]

I found your voice a bit too quiet, Great video nonetheless, Keep up the good work! :)

[@Badjoe117]

Thanks for the comment! I always had the problem with adjusting the voice volume in editing as with my headset it about right. While for one of my friends it sounds a bit low. But in the future I might set the voice a bit higher and tone down the game audio slightly more.
And I'm glad you liked it as well!

[@YaaqobhTV]

In the end how many targets you take down? :)

[@Badjoe117]

I don't remember actually, but if I remember right my first Maverick was shot down by the SAM system while the second one actually hit and destroyed the enemy tracking radar. So I'd imagine it was only a single kill. Still, would make it alot easier when coming in for a second run against the enemy air defences.

[@YaaqobhTV]

@@Badjoe117 thank you for comment!
I have FC3, and I'm thinking buying as first complex module the viggen or the f18 what you think?
(I came from FSX w/ complex module too, so the complexity and the learning curve doesn't make me afraid :D
I wanna do more MP than SP, I'm very attracted to the Viggen, but I am afraid that is not my thing...or something like that, like that sort of thing that we know only we try out.)

[@Badjoe117]

@@YaaqobhTV The Viggen is definitely a difficult bird to start off with. I would say it is more of a plane for more experienced pilots, as it lacks a good RWR and countermeasures. It is also a bit limited in what weapons it can carry and of course the fact the cockpit is in Swedish can make things difficult for some as well.
The good parts however, it is very fast and you have to fly most of the time by just looking out of the canopy rather than staring at the RWR and Radar as in many planes. So it is a very rewarding and unique plane to fly when you get good at it. You fly it quite similar to how you would fly an old WW2 aircraft in a way.
And I don't own the FA18 myself but I think it would be a great place to start as it is very flexible in what it can do without being overwhelming. Plus you get the whole carrier operations and air to air refueling thing which the Viggen can't do.

[@RecoBt]

dude you are Swedish right? jag med jag märker på vägen som du pratar :)

[@Badjoe117]

Jo jag är Svensk haha

[@RecoBt]

@@Badjoe117 heter du 117 efter master chief?

[@Badjoe117]

@@RecoBt Har haft användarnamnet så länge att jag knappt kommer ihåg. Men jag skulle tro att det är från Halo från början.

[@RecoBt]

@@Badjoe117 a jag kanske subscribar varenda sub spelar role

[@Badjoe117]

@@RecoBt Upskattar det, var dock ett tag sedan jag laddade up nåt här.