M S அம்மா என்ற பெயரின் பொருள். = தெய்விகம் + எளிமை + பக்தி பாவம் + இனிமை + கலைமகள் பூரண அனுக்கிரகம் .இவையனைத்தும் ஒருங்கே அமையப்பெற்றவர். . Myhumble pranams to M S amma .
MS amma tamil kirthanai paadinaanga nu oru varsham sabha la awangla chance kudukkala nu ungluku theriumaa theriaadhaa. Apram awanga husband dhan adha solve panninaar andha kaalathula
டி எம் கிருஷ்ணா அவர்கள் அவரது பார்வை, கருத்து கூற உரிமை இருக்கிறது. ஏனெனில் ஒவ்வொரு மனிதனுக்கும், அவர்கள் சார்ந்த நடவடிக்கைகள் பற்றிய விமர்சனங்கள் புத்தகங்கள், செய்தித்தாள்கள், விவாதங்கள்,.. இப்படி தான் உலகில் நிலவி கொண்டு வருகிறது. எம் எஸ் அவர்கள் பலருக்கு மிகவும் பெரியது எனில் சிலர் அதை விமர்சனம் செய்யவும் உரிமை உள்ளது. ஒருவர் மிகவும் உயர்ந்த இடத்தில் இருப்பதால், இன்னொருவர் விமர்சனம் செய்ய கூடாது என்று பேசுவது தார்மீகமானது அல்ல. எல்லாவற்றையும், எல்லோரும் விமர்சனம் என்ற வலையில் வந்து விட்டு, தான் செல்ல முடியும். நாம் சிலரை மட்டும் exclusive என்று பாத்தி கட்டி வைத்து கொண்டு விட முடியாது. சிலருக்கு மட்டும் "ஒன்றுமே சொல்ல முடியாத, தொட முடியாத, கடவுள் நிலை" இப்படி கொடுத்து விட முடியாது.
சரியான கருத்து...எம் எஸ் பிரபலமானவர் என்பதாலேயே அவரை ஒருவர் விமர்சனம் செய்யக்கூடாது என்று இன்னொருவர் சொல்வது அயோக்கியத்தனம் ஆணவம் அடாவடித்தனம்...அனைவரும் விமரிசனத்துக்கு உட்பட்டவர்களே..
After this interview my respect and regards to ramaprasadji has increased to the highest level. No contradictions and always straight to the point. No negative and reasons are perfect Pranams to Ramaprasadji
Thanks for this interview. More & more people should kniw about this. Sri Ram Prasad, who himself hails from a rich traditional family background of sri Palakkad Mani Iyer ji, has very intelligently & honestly put forth his views on the subject. The family members of MS amma have always consciously been low profile & dignified. The anger of Shri V. Srinivasan, MS grandson, is righteous indignation . I commend his actions. Great, noble people such as MS amma are born once in a thousand years . Very unbecoming of Sri TMK. Never ever dreamt he will go this way. I sincerely hope he changes his Hindu name.
Crystal Clear and responsible replies from RR. And constructive suggestions too to make carnatic music scene inclusive. Could see the pain in his face while talking about the rude comments made by TMK about Ms amma. This was poor show and unpardonable offence by TMK The basic ideology about making carnatic music egalitarian ( and we cannot deny that there is work to be done) is welcome but the method chosen by TMK is so poor. Hope this issue is resolved with positive and constructive way forward for this beautiful system of music.
Ramprasad Sir, MSAmma என்னுடைய lifeline. There is not day in my life i don’t listen to her songs. Day after day it is her version of Suprabhatam (Venkateswara & Kamakshi) we listen to, even though we live here in the US. Her singing is divine, they are window to actually feel and see Bhagawan. Those who can, are blessed (like myself) and I can only sympathize those who cannot. (I shall not take the names of the likes of TMKri…. and mess my karma. Every point you have stated about MS Amma absolutely on point and so much more she is. She is the epitome of devotion, & she is THE Carnatic music for me. i have made my life pratigna to learn every song and sloka of hers, her way. I am not even 1% of what she was but I feel blessed & closer to God. Mrs. Iyer Chicago🙏🏼
TMK's agenda is to take carnatic music to paamara makkal right? So when MS amma does that by taking suprabatham, vishnu sahasranamam, bhaja govindam from tea kadai to tirupathi, then he comments that it is low quality diluted music. Dei enna thaan da unakku prachanai??? All pamara makkal know MS Subbulakshmi but they would have never heard about TMK. He can never even do one hundredth of her contribution to music and humanity in general. This guy is one very empty vessel.
எம்.எஸ்.அம்மா பற்றி பேச டி.எம்.கிருஷ்ணாவுக்கு முதலில் தகுதி இருக்கிறதா? கலைவாணி வருந்துகிறாள்: தவறான ஒரு இடத்தில் பாடும் கலையைக் கொடுத்து விட்டோமே என்று. அதே கலைவாணி அவருக்கு உரிய வகையில் பாடம் கற்பிப்பாள் என்பதை சங்கீத ரசிகர்கள் நம்புங்கள். மகாசக்தி இருக்கிறாள்.
Why do people go on talking about TM Krishna? Just ignore and avoid attending his performance anywhere and avoid performance sponsored by this orgsnisation
My only question- why did it take Mr. Shrinivasan this long to take action? This award was announced over six months ago. But I am glad finally he spoke up and taking some action now. Better late than never. Not once was MS Amma’s caste was discussed in our family. Everyone held her in highest regard. We listened, cherished, admired and respected MS Amma to no end and still do. 🙏🙏🙏 People like her come into our lives, once in a lifetime. In fact many of her gurus - the ones who taught her all the stotrams or Semmangudi, no one held her caste against her. So, TMK to say anything about her caste or looks or anything else, is plainly wrong and absurd.
பொருள், புகழ், பதவி எதற்கும் ஆசைப்படாமல் தூய இசையே தன் பணி என்றிருந்த ஒரு உயர்ந்த பெண்மணி பெயரில் தரப்படும் விருதைப் பெறுவதற்கு இவர் தகுதியானவர்தானா என கொடுப்பவர்களும் பெறுபவரும் மிகுந்த யோசனை செய்திருக்க வேண்டும். இரண்டு தரப்புமே தற்கால கட்டாயங்களுக்கு உட்பட்டு கலைக்கான தங்கள் கடமையிலிருந்து தவறிவிட்டார்கள் என்பதே உண்மை.
Even Hypocrisy in a comatose state will squirm to accept an award instituted in the name of a great, after Hypocrisy has thrashed that great icon left, right and center !
TMK is shameless and should be removed from carnatic music circle. Who gives him right to talk about anyone. He is a disgrace to the Hindu society. Why he did not confront MS amma when she was alive? Coward. TMK should be seriously punished for his action and talking ill of others.
I also think Tm Krishna kku konjam aachu vekkam irundhudhuna Sangeetha Kalanidhi vaanga kudathu and andha Ms Amma oda award um vanga koodathu because of his cranky and demeaning talks about yesteryear Mahavidwans who got Sangeetha Kalanidhi and especially about his demeaning and unrespectful remarks mentioned about Ms Amma by Tm Krishna. Hope Tm Krishna has some Vemasuso (Vekkam Manam Sudu Soranai) inside him and does not take the Kalanidhi. Hope Academy cancels Krishna's name from Sangeetha Kalanidhi and does not give the award in Krishna's lifetime. If Krishna takes the award, it is a big corollary towards his so called idiotic and stupid principles about the Academy mentioned by TM Krishna in the past. Comments about MS Amma's dress by Tm Krishna as mentioned in this video is very nasty and degrading.
En maanaseega guru ms amma avargalukku ippadi oru paavigal irukaanga Enbadhu, puratasi Maadham irandam Idi thalaiyil veezhndhadhu pol irukku. Venkatavanukku andha amma Paadiya paadalgal Swamy Thirumalai vasane badhil solla vendum 🙏
A very professional and very correct way of talking by a talented singer, quantitative economist and as a tutor. In 2011, he returned to India to work with organisations such as GE and others. Shortly after, he did his postdoc at Harvard School of Public Health as a visiting fellow. Palghat Ramprasad is definitely a man of virtues and does put things in a very meticulous manner. @WowTamizhaa Thanks for the wonderful interview.
How does the interviewer asks " why can't we take the criticism in a positive way?" Taking in the right spirit is relevant only when the criticised is alive. Once she is no more, our culture is to respect in every way possible. TM has no knowledge about this basic decency.
Neither TMK nor Kamal Hassan have any decency and respect for those who have passed away and cannot defend themselves. Like this interviewer asks stupidly (mischievously?), TMK and his ilk can ask “did MS or Saint Tyagaraja come and tell you …?”
Bravo - Ramprasadh! Wow Tamizhaa - wonder what the other SK beneficiaries say about this? Silence can be interpreted as tacit approval! Neyveli, Sanjay and others - could you interview them as well?
Very good question! None of the other awardees, with the exception of Ravikiran, have opened their mouths. Sowmya is holding VC position and is perhaps afraid of govt action. TNS gave a very slippery response in his interview in this channel. Sanjay and others? Deafening silence!
Mr Murali,president,M.A may be aware that ,if he does not reconsider the decision hehas to present the award to T M K in the auditorium with empty chairs..All right minded rasikas will rightly boycott the event
Let us not underestimate them! They will fill up the hall with their own group of people (just like politicians hire truck loads of people for their meetings).
To me, this is not one for debate. TMK is outrageously wrong and those who err on his side are more dangerous for the future of not just music, but values and tradition. So let us join hands and protect our sampradayam.
The best way to treat TM Krishna is to ignore him. Ignoring is the best way to insult him. I urge upon rasikaas to boycott his concert on MA this year or wave black kerchiefs during the concert. Not to attend any of Lec Demos that are being held in MA. The sangeetha acharyas should refrain from presenting any papers and should also impress upon their disciples not to participate in both concerts and in academic sessions. TMK should publicly apologise for his misogynistic remarks that she was showcased like a Barbie Doll or she is a big hoax or her way of dressing was sexy. The women singers who after coming to know of his diatribes against M S S should ponder over whether they have to perform in MA this year. If they have any sense of pride, they should publicly announce their intentions to withdraw from the stage this year. The RAGA sisters, Dushyant were indeed correct in their decisions.
T M கிருஷ்ணா இதுவரை ஒரு தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவருக்குக்கூட இசை பயிற்றுவித்து மேடையேற்றவில்லை என்பது உண்மை. மாறாக இவரிடம் படித்தவர்கள் அனைவரும் பார்ப்பனர்கள் அல்லது வெளிநாட்டவர்கள் தான். கிருஷ்ணா வருடத்துக்கு ஒருமுறை ஆல்காட் குப்பத்தில் கர்நாடக இசைக்கச்சேரி நிகழ்த்துவதல் இசையைப் பரப்பமுடியுமா?
பல நூறு வருட கட்டமைப்பை ஒரு மனிதர் ஒரு சில வருடங்களில் மாற்ற முடியவில்லை என்பதை எள்ளி நகையாடுவது, ஏளனப்படுத்துவது என்பது துவக்கமே! அவர் இன்னும் செய்யக் கூடும். செய்வார். அவருக்கு அந்த ஆன்ம பலம் கிட்டட்டும்.
கிழிச்சார். அந்த குப்பத்திலும் பத்து "அந்த ஜாதி" கிழவர்கள்தான் அமர்ந்து ரசிக்கின்றனர். என்னவோ இவர்போய்தான் குப்பத்துல இருப்பவர்கள் சங்கீதம் என்றால் என்ன என்று தெரிந்துகொள்வார்கள் என்ற பம்மாத்தை நிறுத்துங்கள்.இசைஞானம் உள்ளவர்கள் அனைத்து சமுதாயத்திலும் உள்ளனர்.மேலும் இசை என்றாலே கர்னாடக சங்கீதம்தான் என்று யாரும் கூறவில்லை. @@amrajkumarhere
@@amrajkumarhere தான் இவ்வாறு இசையை ஏழை எளிய பாமர மற்றும் இசையில் ஆர்வம் உள்ளவர்களுக்கு கற்றுக் கொடுத்துப் பரப்பி பின் பேச வேண்டும் T.M.Krishna M.S.Amma தான தர்மத்திற்காகாக தான் சம்பாதித்த பணம் அனைத்தையும் ஏழை எளிய மக்களுக்காகக் கொடுத்தவர்கள் பக்தியுடனும் பெரியவா மற்றும் திருப்பதி பெருமாளின் அனுக்கிரஹத்துடன். சாப்பாடுக்கில்லாமல் கஷ்டப்பட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்தார் தான தர்மங்கள் செய்த காரணத்தால் பெரியவா கூறி ஒரு பக்தர் மூலம் உதவி செய்யப்பட்டது
T. M. Krishna needs treatment with the Psychologist for his contrary & confused behaviour. He should feel ashamed to receive this award. His thinking, oral statements & actual actions don't synchronize which is a severe mental issue.
He has the right to receive the award that he deserves with his music brilliance, though it is titled in whoever name it is. Much like a Brahmin abides to the Mahar Dr.BR's name attached Indian Constitution. Even the court that you guys expects justice is a creation of the Constitution. Is this not a hypocrisy then!!? If psychiatric counselling is needed for TMK then the same argument holds good for those who live in this Country under Our Constitution and subjects themselves too. Hope the Court does justice. And court does it not under Sampradayams or their beholders dictates but the law of the land. And the award is titled in MS name for her contribution but she or her family is not the sole proprietor of the award! It's meant for public and not for families!!
Nonsense. Don't create a picture as though all the brahmins are against Dr.BR,and they all talk ill of him . Which brahmin spokeill of Dr.BR . and shamelesslyacceptedthe award that is in his name . கற்பனையாக இல்லாத பொய்பிம்பத்தை ஏற்படுத்தி பேசவேண்டாம்.@amrajkumarhere
@@amrajkumarherehehe... A constitution that is largely a cut-copy-paste of many western constitutions - legal scholars will say. I don't mean it as a criticism of DrBR (i revere his dedication to his cause) but as a misplaced analogy. TMK and DrBR are in different leagues. The banter of TMK is a distraction that cannot transcend time. DrBR's work is living proof of his dedication and mastery.
@@Abundantgrace-1No wonder Bharathiyar was an outcast in his own community by large during his lifetime!! Exceptions were there, but they are after all and above all, exceptions. No wonder TMK has become a gadfly or midwife that Socrates referred to. See the accusations against him of this level! Certainly he puts a lot into discomfort!! And cut copy paste of Indian Constitution is an argument that is proven wrong by scholars, better to refer to those scholars as well. Look at the argument made by you Sir! First Constitution is denounced as copy paste one at one side and then Dr.BR is praised for his dedication!! What to sense from this!!! This hypocrisy is what brings suspicion!! And regarding that pathetic hehehe that you made, pity sir! So pity!!
Why M academy is deliberately hurting the great and good people by awarding TMK, the MS award…..this TMK has any sense of self respect should not accept the award .
Mr chandrasekar What exactly r u trying to do? Over the last couple of years most of ur interviews with carnatic musicians has this inevitable question about T. M Krishna and in all of them u were playing devils advocate. Now in this interview ur views seem to swing to the other side. Why keep on raking this up? Nobody can tarnish M S AMMAS legacy pl dont continue in this vein
Any one can tell OM like ms Amma ? We believe she is a Devine person un wanted talk is very bad if ms Amma is there she will just smile and ignore we gave important to these people's talk any award as he said for the awards be came great same to some of the others it's an insult for the award what are the songs and bhakti slokams rendered by her any one can't count whatever it's even any cast people can't get her. Dhani only one ms telling bad you should not take the papam
TMK is a black mark on carnatic music..Excellent Ramprasad..Yarukkum vetkam illai MA ..TMK.. other vidwans who support this.. no shame TMK manam ketta piazhpu..idai vidu née...
Bhakti,pattu pamarargalukku therindadu M S.Amna val than Humble to the core .I have seen in a video with Bhagwan satya sai. Swami enakku pesa theriyadu! Adakkam edu TM Krishna mudalil padithu kolla vendum Pattil mattum concentrate pannattum
Sir, it's very easy for a central or state government employee finish 10:30 to 5:30 job and concentrate on music and other fine arts. For people who r struggling hand to mouth, it's not easy. Only if u see from their poi t of view u'll understand
Guys, please realize that the Sangita Kalanidhi award is founded and awarded by the Music Academy since 1942. M S Amma also received it. It is wrong perception to think that it is an award instituted by her or its an award in her name.
I think you are confused. There are not one but two awards. Sangita Kalanidhi M S Subbulakshmi award is being given from 2005 only. This award is normally presented on the first day of the conference (Dec 15) and has been instituted by Hindu to honour MS. The Sangita Kalanidhi award on the other hand has been in vogue since 1942 and usually presented on Jan 1st during Sadas. Mr V Shrinivasan grandson of Bharat Ratna MS Amma has rightly filed a civil suit requesting for an injunction restraining the Music Academy from conferring the Sangita Kalanidhi M S Subbulakshmi award on T M Krishna who had insulted MS Amma in foul language over the last decade
புகழ் என்ற வார்த்தைக்கு இன்னொரு பெயர் அதிர்ஷ்டம். பாடகி ஜானகி அம்மா, வழங்கிய விருதை தவிர்த்தார். நடிகர் நாகேஷ்க்கு சொல்லிக்கொள்ளும்படியாக விருது எதுவும் வழங்கப்படவில்லை என்கிறது வரலாறு. கர்ணன்,ஹரிச்சந்திரன் போன்றவர்களுக்குதான் விருது என்றால் யோசிக்க வேண்டிய விஷயம்தான் ?
Above all pl bear in mind carnatic music is Bakthi and dedication more than improvisation..when TMK doesn't hv it how did he accept it. I know him as a wonderful artist.
பேட்டீ எடுப்பவரே...பிரபல என்றீரே....அவர் எதில் பிரபலம்...பாட்டா..வீணையா...வயலினா....எதில் பிரபலம்...சரியாகச் சொல்ல வேண்டாமா...எல்லோருக்குமே அவரைப் பற்றி தெரியும் என தீர்மானித்து விட்டீரோ... தயவு செய்து பேசும் போது கவனம் சிதறாத நாம என்ன பேசிக்கொண்டீருக்கிறோமென உணர்ந்து பேசுங்கள். தவறாக நினைக்க வேண்டாம்.
The Institution is in Mylapore only, I agree!! The Portuguese referred to it as Black Town during their presence here!!! Irony!!! TMK is just a lone warrior in the domain, he can't make any radical change, true, but he is an initiator. A lot would come to make the institution and the carnatic music domain more democratic. Nothing is birthright to none!! If that's the tradition, then that's what must be reformed! Referring Brahaminical dominance in the Institution this blatantly in this interview, sounds arrogance!!! Simply arrogance!!! Should have a little more sanity and humanity!!!
TMK is a loser. If he really cares about music, instead of denigrating the stalwarts of music he should lead the change by being role model. Instead he seems more interested in keeping his name in the limelight. Btw, music, any music, is also about economics. TMK is clearly rewarded for the opinions he is expressing by means other than his concerts (his audience numbers will speak for it). Granted he is brilliant but unfortunately instead of using it to take Carnatic music to where it must go, he has dragged it into the mud. Good luck to TMK and may he receive the light of wisdom.
@@Abundantgrace-1Regarding his comments on MS, I cannot make a comment as I know nothing of that sort about her. But one thing I am certain about is that none is above public scrutiny! Especially so, when a whole lot of people are out there to make seemingly intellectual arguments, in the names of Sampradhyam, Bhakthi, auspicious, stalwarts and so on only to perpetuate the inhuman, unreasonable, unworthy status quo. Regarding his audience numbers, they should be less in quantity only, obviously for the historic reasons! Regarding him being a loser, I would not be wondering, as I can imagine the psychological pressures the guys around him, like you and other commentors, putting him through. Being a loser in such a case is more appreciable than being a successful one! May the Almighty, not the one whom you perceive to be, but the Almighty of all, give him the perseverance to continue his fight on.
@@amrajkumarhere You are diabolically hypocritical. When EVR is criticised, why all the hell is let loose and one community is targeted, torched and berated. Why the palanquin bearers of EVR take to streets to abuse the Brahmins. If you have any civility left in you, publicly decry such attitude. Secondly, TMK has been teaching music for the last 10-15 years. How many students he has trained so far. How many of them are belonging to elite class and how many to the depressed sections of society. Among his disciples how many had adorned the stage ( with break up of elite and non elite disciples)? How many vidwans belonging to Depressed section were chosen by him for his concerts ? Why do not you ask him and furnish details.? He owes his popularity (?) to the family to which he belongs. He got whatever he wanted ONLY because he belonged to the TTK family. He will pale into insignificance if he is to be compared with T N Seshagopalan, who came from a lower middle class background and achieved tremendous heights. T M Krishna should know what is humility.
All your anger comes only bcoz T M Krishna spoke about Brahmanism…… Tats no way related to Carnatic music and you ppl have no intention and interest in safe guarding Carnatic music….. You guys want to safeguard your (Brahmins) position in the musical society….. If these fake MSS bakts have had balls they wud have corrected MSS profile in Wikipedia which says her mother comes from Devadasi Community….
All I know is TMK's speech makes sense. For his speech to make sense, you must have been born in the subordinate class in this country! Sitting in an ivory tower and looking at the world that TMK refers to in his speech, would seem like a vanmam only!!
I meant. I assume it doesn't make sense to you, and the reason why you don't get it is you don't listen. The answer to your question is in the comment itself that you replied to!! Attention Deficits!!
SHE SUNG MORE DEVOSIONAL THERE ARE MANY ABOVE MS. LIKE SEMMANGUDI. VISVANATHA IYER. SHE NEVER SUNG M DEEKSHADAR TN IS CORRECT MS NOT A BRAHMIN. BORN TO A BRAHMIN
@@shivnarayan.v579 i don't believe you people... You are all Prejudiced peoples... He is not like that ...We believe he is like Ramanujar ...and Subramania bharathi
M S அம்மா என்ற பெயரின் பொருள். = தெய்விகம் + எளிமை + பக்தி பாவம் + இனிமை + கலைமகள் பூரண அனுக்கிரகம் .இவையனைத்தும் ஒருங்கே அமையப்பெற்றவர். . Myhumble pranams to M S amma .
MS amma tamil kirthanai paadinaanga nu oru varsham sabha la awangla chance kudukkala nu ungluku theriumaa theriaadhaa. Apram awanga husband dhan adha solve panninaar andha kaalathula
@@-_.0O Sangeethatuku enna mozhi vendi iruku...
@@-_.0Ochumma adichi vidu...😂😂
@@nandakumarad5227 music academy centenary function la sonnaanga 🤣. Loosupayale .
@@-_.0ONot one year. More than couple of years she was not permitted to perform at the Music Academy.
Wonderfully presented Sri Ram Prasad.Huge respect
Thuglak Cho Ramaswamy once complimented MS Amma as a Music God came into the earth.
If TM krishna has sense of shame he should honestly decline the SANGEETHA KALANIDHI award instituted by M S AMMA
He is completely shameless brainless and ungrateful mean minded fellow only.
டி எம் கிருஷ்ணா அவர்கள் அவரது பார்வை, கருத்து கூற உரிமை இருக்கிறது.
ஏனெனில் ஒவ்வொரு மனிதனுக்கும், அவர்கள் சார்ந்த நடவடிக்கைகள் பற்றிய விமர்சனங்கள் புத்தகங்கள், செய்தித்தாள்கள், விவாதங்கள்,.. இப்படி தான் உலகில் நிலவி கொண்டு வருகிறது.
எம் எஸ் அவர்கள் பலருக்கு மிகவும் பெரியது எனில் சிலர் அதை விமர்சனம் செய்யவும் உரிமை உள்ளது.
ஒருவர் மிகவும் உயர்ந்த இடத்தில் இருப்பதால், இன்னொருவர் விமர்சனம் செய்ய கூடாது என்று பேசுவது தார்மீகமானது அல்ல.
எல்லாவற்றையும், எல்லோரும் விமர்சனம் என்ற வலையில் வந்து விட்டு, தான் செல்ல முடியும்.
நாம் சிலரை மட்டும் exclusive என்று பாத்தி கட்டி வைத்து கொண்டு விட முடியாது.
சிலருக்கு மட்டும் "ஒன்றுமே சொல்ல முடியாத, தொட முடியாத, கடவுள் நிலை" இப்படி கொடுத்து விட முடியாது.
சரியான கருத்து...எம் எஸ் பிரபலமானவர் என்பதாலேயே அவரை ஒருவர் விமர்சனம் செய்யக்கூடாது என்று இன்னொருவர் சொல்வது அயோக்கியத்தனம் ஆணவம் அடாவடித்தனம்...அனைவரும் விமரிசனத்துக்கு உட்பட்டவர்களே..
great interview......huge respect for shri. Ramprasad sir...🙏🙏
Well presented Ramprasad ji.
After this interview my respect and regards to ramaprasadji has increased to the highest level. No contradictions and always straight to the point. No negative and reasons are perfect
Pranams to Ramaprasadji
Thanks for this interview. More & more people should kniw about this.
Sri Ram Prasad, who himself hails from a rich traditional family background of sri Palakkad Mani Iyer ji, has very intelligently & honestly put forth his views on the subject.
The family members of MS amma have always consciously been low profile & dignified. The anger of Shri V. Srinivasan, MS grandson, is righteous indignation . I commend his actions.
Great, noble people such as MS amma are born once in a thousand years .
Very unbecoming of Sri TMK. Never ever dreamt he will go this way.
I sincerely hope he changes his Hindu name.
Clear thinking and very good articulation by Shri Ramprasad. Pointed questions by the host.
Ramprasad- you have a smart brain! And clear thought. Love this conversation
Crystal Clear and responsible replies from RR. And constructive suggestions too to make carnatic music scene inclusive. Could see the pain in his face while talking about the rude comments made by TMK about Ms amma. This was poor show and unpardonable offence by TMK The basic ideology about making carnatic music egalitarian ( and we cannot deny that there is work to be done) is welcome but the method chosen by TMK is so poor. Hope this issue is resolved with positive and constructive way forward for this beautiful system of music.
Ramprasad Sir, MSAmma என்னுடைய lifeline. There is not day in my life i don’t listen to her songs. Day after day it is her version of Suprabhatam (Venkateswara & Kamakshi) we listen to, even though we live here in the US. Her singing is divine, they are window to actually feel and see Bhagawan. Those who can, are blessed (like myself) and I can only sympathize those who cannot. (I shall not take the names of the likes of TMKri…. and mess my karma. Every point you have stated about MS Amma absolutely on point and so much more she is. She is the epitome of devotion, & she is THE Carnatic music for me. i have made my life pratigna to learn every song and sloka of hers, her way. I am not even 1% of what she was but I feel blessed & closer to God. Mrs. Iyer Chicago🙏🏼
TMK's agenda is to take carnatic music to paamara makkal right? So when MS amma does that by taking suprabatham, vishnu sahasranamam, bhaja govindam from tea kadai to tirupathi, then he comments that it is low quality diluted music. Dei enna thaan da unakku prachanai??? All pamara makkal know MS Subbulakshmi but they would have never heard about TMK. He can never even do one hundredth of her contribution to music and humanity in general. This guy is one very empty vessel.
எம்.எஸ்.அம்மா பற்றி பேச டி.எம்.கிருஷ்ணாவுக்கு முதலில் தகுதி இருக்கிறதா?
கலைவாணி வருந்துகிறாள்: தவறான ஒரு இடத்தில் பாடும் கலையைக் கொடுத்து விட்டோமே என்று. அதே கலைவாணி அவருக்கு உரிய வகையில் பாடம் கற்பிப்பாள் என்பதை சங்கீத ரசிகர்கள் நம்புங்கள். மகாசக்தி இருக்கிறாள்.
Why do people go on talking about TM Krishna? Just ignore and avoid attending his performance anywhere and avoid performance sponsored by this orgsnisation
So polite… !! And good that you are taking this stand!!
Krishna has not only gone bonkers … he has become a haughty ass!
Why is noone interviewing TMK and asking all these questions??
My only question- why did it take Mr. Shrinivasan this long to take action? This award was announced over six months ago. But I am glad finally he spoke up and taking some action now. Better late than never.
Not once was MS Amma’s caste was discussed in our family. Everyone held her in highest regard. We listened, cherished, admired and respected MS Amma to no end and still do. 🙏🙏🙏 People like her come into our lives, once in a lifetime.
In fact many of her gurus - the ones who taught her all the stotrams or Semmangudi, no one held her caste against her.
So, TMK to say anything about her caste or looks or anything else, is plainly wrong and absurd.
awaiting the next interview
பொருள், புகழ், பதவி எதற்கும் ஆசைப்படாமல் தூய இசையே தன் பணி என்றிருந்த ஒரு உயர்ந்த பெண்மணி பெயரில் தரப்படும் விருதைப் பெறுவதற்கு இவர் தகுதியானவர்தானா என கொடுப்பவர்களும் பெறுபவரும் மிகுந்த யோசனை செய்திருக்க வேண்டும். இரண்டு தரப்புமே தற்கால கட்டாயங்களுக்கு உட்பட்டு கலைக்கான தங்கள் கடமையிலிருந்து தவறிவிட்டார்கள் என்பதே உண்மை.
Even Hypocrisy in a comatose state will squirm to accept an award instituted in the name of a great, after Hypocrisy has thrashed that great icon left, right and center !
All sincere and dedicated artists who respect M.S, must boycott Music Academy.
Not only artists who ever respect m.s.amma and her musical tradition must boycott
Good post
MS Amma is a devine personality.
sri Ramaprasad explained so well. i do listen to your recordings though we are in PAris
TMK should question his own existence if he accepts shame on him and MA committee, secretary, shame and such low minded group
We are happy about100percent analysis of MSm Amma nothingto talkmuchabout her Godisgreat let thesoulhavepea ce no comparison to her
சந்திரசேகரன் சார் TMK யை பேட்டி எடுத்து வெளியிட தயாரா?
TMK திராவிட பாணியில் பேசத் தெரிந்தவர். ராம் பிரசாத் மிகவும் கூல் ஆக பதில் சொன்ன விதம் அருமை.
Very well articulated by Shri Ramprasad. I fully support Mr Shrinivasan taking the right step to file the case.
How can u comment on the color....going back to english period...
sri Ramaprasad is really cool!
MS learnt all the languages...almost 14 to 20 in number....
Can u see a lady on stage like MS today...
MS AMM is a Music God🇧🇴
TMK is shameless and should be removed from carnatic music circle. Who gives him right to talk about anyone. He is a disgrace to the Hindu society. Why he did not confront MS amma when she was alive? Coward. TMK should be seriously punished for his action and talking ill of others.
I also think Tm Krishna kku konjam aachu vekkam irundhudhuna Sangeetha Kalanidhi vaanga kudathu and andha Ms Amma oda award um vanga koodathu because of his cranky and demeaning talks about yesteryear Mahavidwans who got Sangeetha Kalanidhi and especially about his demeaning and unrespectful remarks mentioned about Ms Amma by Tm Krishna. Hope Tm Krishna has some Vemasuso (Vekkam Manam Sudu Soranai) inside him and does not take the Kalanidhi. Hope Academy cancels Krishna's name from Sangeetha Kalanidhi and does not give the award in Krishna's lifetime. If Krishna takes the award, it is a big corollary towards his so called idiotic and stupid principles about the Academy mentioned by TM Krishna in the past. Comments about MS Amma's dress by Tm Krishna as mentioned in this video is very nasty and degrading.
En maanaseega guru ms amma avargalukku ippadi oru paavigal irukaanga Enbadhu, puratasi Maadham irandam Idi thalaiyil veezhndhadhu pol irukku. Venkatavanukku andha amma Paadiya paadalgal Swamy Thirumalai vasane badhil solla vendum 🙏
Can anyone forget ' Kurai illai ... '?
A very professional and very correct way of talking by a talented singer, quantitative economist and as a tutor.
In 2011, he returned to India to work with organisations such as GE and others. Shortly after, he did his postdoc at Harvard School of Public Health as a visiting fellow.
Palghat Ramprasad is definitely a man of virtues and does put things in a very meticulous manner. @WowTamizhaa Thanks for the wonderful interview.
To oppose why can't all the musicians stop giving performances in the academy
திருப்பதியில் வெங்கடேச சுப்ரபாதம் மட்டும் இல்லை, பத்ரிநாத்தில் விஷ்ணு சஹஸ்ரநாமம் வரை வடிகாலையில் தினமும் ஒலிக்கிறது!🙏🏽
PRP Sir Music from msamma is bhakti and vice versa.Suprabhatham is MS Amma, nobody comes to her proximity
The interviewer recently has become cranky, he thinks too much of himself
How does the interviewer asks " why can't we take the criticism in a positive way?" Taking in the right spirit is relevant only when the criticised is alive. Once she is no more, our culture is to respect in every way possible. TM has no knowledge about this basic decency.
Neither TMK nor Kamal Hassan have any decency and respect for those who have passed away and cannot defend themselves. Like this interviewer asks stupidly (mischievously?), TMK and his ilk can ask “did MS or Saint Tyagaraja come and tell you …?”
TTD should take action against TM Krishna
Bravo - Ramprasadh!
Wow Tamizhaa - wonder what the other SK beneficiaries say about this? Silence can be interpreted as tacit approval! Neyveli, Sanjay and others - could you interview them as well?
Very good question! None of the other awardees, with the exception of Ravikiran, have opened their mouths. Sowmya is holding VC position and is perhaps afraid of govt action. TNS gave a very slippery response in his interview in this channel. Sanjay and others? Deafening silence!
Mr Murali,president,M.A may be aware that ,if he does not reconsider the decision hehas to present the award to T M K in the auditorium with empty chairs..All right minded rasikas will rightly boycott the event
Let us not underestimate them! They will fill up the hall with their own group of people (just like politicians hire truck loads of people for their meetings).
It is evident that TMK is shame less to take the award.
What is the restaurant incident Ramprasad ji is talking about?
To me, this is not one for debate. TMK is outrageously wrong and those who err on his side are more dangerous for the future of not just music, but values and tradition. So let us join hands and protect our sampradayam.
ஸ்ரீ ராம்பிரசாத்துக்கு வாழ்த்துக்கள்.
Vinasa kaale vibareetha buthi
The best way to treat TM Krishna is to ignore him.
Ignoring is the best way to insult him. I urge upon rasikaas to boycott his concert on MA this year or wave black kerchiefs during the concert.
Not to attend any of Lec Demos that are being held in MA. The sangeetha acharyas should refrain from presenting any papers and should also impress upon their disciples not to participate in both concerts and in academic sessions. TMK should publicly apologise for his misogynistic remarks that she was showcased like a Barbie Doll or she is a big hoax or her way of dressing was sexy. The women singers who after coming to know of his diatribes against M S S should ponder over whether they have to perform in MA this year. If they have any sense of pride, they should publicly announce their intentions to withdraw from the stage this year. The RAGA sisters, Dushyant were indeed correct in their decisions.
ஏங்க சேனல்காரரே நீங்கள் ஏன் TM க்ருஷ்ணா வை கூப்பிட்டு நேர்காணல் எடுக்க கூடாது
TM k is disgrace to the carnatic
Feternity
புரணி பேசுகிறார்கள்😂
T M கிருஷ்ணா இதுவரை ஒரு தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவருக்குக்கூட இசை பயிற்றுவித்து மேடையேற்றவில்லை என்பது உண்மை. மாறாக இவரிடம் படித்தவர்கள் அனைவரும் பார்ப்பனர்கள் அல்லது வெளிநாட்டவர்கள் தான்.
கிருஷ்ணா வருடத்துக்கு ஒருமுறை ஆல்காட் குப்பத்தில் கர்நாடக இசைக்கச்சேரி நிகழ்த்துவதல் இசையைப் பரப்பமுடியுமா?
பல நூறு வருட கட்டமைப்பை ஒரு மனிதர் ஒரு சில வருடங்களில் மாற்ற முடியவில்லை என்பதை எள்ளி நகையாடுவது, ஏளனப்படுத்துவது என்பது துவக்கமே! அவர் இன்னும் செய்யக் கூடும். செய்வார். அவருக்கு அந்த ஆன்ம பலம் கிட்டட்டும்.
கிழிச்சார். அந்த குப்பத்திலும் பத்து "அந்த ஜாதி" கிழவர்கள்தான் அமர்ந்து ரசிக்கின்றனர். என்னவோ இவர்போய்தான் குப்பத்துல இருப்பவர்கள் சங்கீதம் என்றால் என்ன என்று தெரிந்துகொள்வார்கள் என்ற பம்மாத்தை நிறுத்துங்கள்.இசைஞானம் உள்ளவர்கள் அனைத்து சமுதாயத்திலும் உள்ளனர்.மேலும் இசை என்றாலே கர்னாடக சங்கீதம்தான் என்று யாரும் கூறவில்லை. @@amrajkumarhere
@@amrajkumarhere தான் இவ்வாறு இசையை ஏழை எளிய பாமர மற்றும் இசையில் ஆர்வம் உள்ளவர்களுக்கு கற்றுக் கொடுத்துப் பரப்பி பின் பேச வேண்டும் T.M.Krishna M.S.Amma தான தர்மத்திற்காகாக தான் சம்பாதித்த பணம் அனைத்தையும் ஏழை எளிய மக்களுக்காகக் கொடுத்தவர்கள் பக்தியுடனும் பெரியவா மற்றும் திருப்பதி பெருமாளின் அனுக்கிரஹத்துடன். சாப்பாடுக்கில்லாமல் கஷ்டப்பட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்தார் தான தர்மங்கள் செய்த காரணத்தால் பெரியவா கூறி ஒரு பக்தர் மூலம் உதவி செய்யப்பட்டது
T. M. Krishna needs treatment with the Psychologist for his contrary & confused behaviour. He should feel ashamed to receive this award. His thinking, oral statements & actual actions don't synchronize which is a severe mental issue.
It’s unfortunate how people like TMK would do anything to stay in limelight. He is non existent in comparison to MS Amma
He has the right to receive the award that he deserves with his music brilliance, though it is titled in whoever name it is. Much like a Brahmin abides to the Mahar Dr.BR's name attached Indian Constitution. Even the court that you guys expects justice is a creation of the Constitution. Is this not a hypocrisy then!!? If psychiatric counselling is needed for TMK then the same argument holds good for those who live in this Country under Our Constitution and subjects themselves too. Hope the Court does justice. And court does it not under Sampradayams or their beholders dictates but the law of the land. And the award is titled in MS name for her contribution but she or her family is not the sole proprietor of the award! It's meant for public and not for families!!
Nonsense. Don't create a picture as though all the brahmins are against Dr.BR,and they all talk ill of him . Which brahmin spokeill of Dr.BR . and shamelesslyacceptedthe award that is in his name . கற்பனையாக இல்லாத பொய்பிம்பத்தை ஏற்படுத்தி பேசவேண்டாம்.@amrajkumarhere
@@amrajkumarherehehe... A constitution that is largely a cut-copy-paste of many western constitutions - legal scholars will say. I don't mean it as a criticism of DrBR (i revere his dedication to his cause) but as a misplaced analogy. TMK and DrBR are in different leagues. The banter of TMK is a distraction that cannot transcend time. DrBR's work is living proof of his dedication and mastery.
@@Abundantgrace-1No wonder Bharathiyar was an outcast in his own community by large during his lifetime!! Exceptions were there, but they are after all and above all, exceptions. No wonder TMK has become a gadfly or midwife that Socrates referred to. See the accusations against him of this level! Certainly he puts a lot into discomfort!!
And cut copy paste of Indian Constitution is an argument that is proven wrong by scholars, better to refer to those scholars as well.
Look at the argument made by you Sir! First Constitution is denounced as copy paste one at one side and then Dr.BR is praised for his dedication!! What to sense from this!!! This hypocrisy is what brings suspicion!!
And regarding that pathetic hehehe that you made, pity sir! So pity!!
Why M academy is deliberately hurting the great and good people by awarding TMK, the MS award…..this TMK has any sense of self respect should not accept the award .
He is destroying the tradition....
TM Krshna ia an exentric thats all
Mr chandrasekar
What exactly r u trying to do?
Over the last couple of years most of ur interviews with carnatic musicians has this inevitable question about T. M Krishna and in all of them u were playing devils advocate.
Now in this interview ur views seem to swing to the other side.
Why keep on raking this up?
Nobody can tarnish M S AMMAS legacy
pl dont continue in this vein
Tmk 1 arai paithiyam
Any one can tell OM like ms Amma ? We believe she is a Devine person un wanted talk is very bad if ms Amma is there she will just smile and ignore we gave important to these people's talk any award as he said for the awards be came great same to some of the others it's an insult for the award what are the songs and bhakti slokams rendered by her any one can't count whatever it's even any cast people can't get her. Dhani only one ms telling bad you should not take the papam
When the going is good nobody will. Speak..
TMK is a black mark on carnatic music..Excellent Ramprasad..Yarukkum vetkam illai MA ..TMK.. other vidwans who support this.. no shame TMK manam ketta piazhpu..idai vidu née...
In fact Dravida kalaham and all anti sanadanists should appreciate the decision of M S S to marry Sadasivam Aiyar
Let us not go in to the merits of the court case. But 20:57 MSS has no children. How this Srinivasan claims he is the grand son of MSS?
டீ.எம்.கிருஷ்ணா...போதையில் அப்படீ பேசியிருப்பார். தவறாக நினைக்க வேண்டாம்.
😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅
Bhakti,pattu pamarargalukku therindadu M S.Amna val than
Humble to the core .I have seen in a video with Bhagwan satya sai.
Swami enakku pesa theriyadu!
Adakkam edu TM Krishna mudalil padithu kolla vendum
Pattil mattum concentrate pannattum
Sir, it's very easy for a central or state government employee finish 10:30 to 5:30 job and concentrate on music and other fine arts. For people who r struggling hand to mouth, it's not easy.
Only if u see from their poi t of view u'll understand
Sahasranamam enral md ammadaan suprbhadam patri sollave vendam
Tmkrishnulose
யோவ் தமிழா😊எப்பவும் controversial u r
Guys, please realize that the Sangita Kalanidhi award is founded and awarded by the Music Academy since 1942. M S Amma also received it. It is wrong perception to think that it is an award instituted by her or its an award in her name.
I think you are confused.
There are not one but two awards.
Sangita Kalanidhi M S Subbulakshmi award is being given from 2005 only. This award is normally presented on the first day of the conference (Dec 15) and has been instituted by Hindu to honour MS.
The Sangita Kalanidhi award on the other hand has been in vogue since 1942 and usually presented on Jan 1st during Sadas.
Mr V Shrinivasan grandson of Bharat Ratna MS Amma has rightly filed a civil suit requesting for an injunction restraining the Music Academy from conferring the Sangita Kalanidhi M S Subbulakshmi award on T M Krishna who had insulted MS Amma in foul language over the last decade
@@bhaveshbijarnia8188 thank you for clarification
புகழ் என்ற வார்த்தைக்கு இன்னொரு பெயர் அதிர்ஷ்டம். பாடகி ஜானகி அம்மா, வழங்கிய விருதை தவிர்த்தார். நடிகர் நாகேஷ்க்கு சொல்லிக்கொள்ளும்படியாக விருது எதுவும் வழங்கப்படவில்லை என்கிறது வரலாறு. கர்ணன்,ஹரிச்சந்திரன் போன்றவர்களுக்குதான் விருது என்றால் யோசிக்க வேண்டிய விஷயம்தான் ?
He seems to be a confused man. He should take rest and practice yoga. Then he will become normal.
This Chandrasekaran always speaks in favour of TMK, looks like he is TM Krishna's PRO.
M S Amma is not brahmin I believe.she got married to sadashivam who is brahmin.
She is from devdasi community
@@bhuvaneswarisatyanarayanan8294 Yes.
She developed her bramhan within her. She is divine in later years of her life.
Above all pl bear in mind carnatic music is Bakthi and dedication more than improvisation..when TMK doesn't hv it how did he accept it. I know him as a wonderful artist.
Correct 100%
Fraud
Chandrasekar and tm Krishna both are bramins but taking bramins like DMK about Hindu both ara sakadai baseless people
பேட்டீ எடுப்பவரே...பிரபல என்றீரே....அவர் எதில் பிரபலம்...பாட்டா..வீணையா...வயலினா....எதில் பிரபலம்...சரியாகச் சொல்ல வேண்டாமா...எல்லோருக்குமே அவரைப் பற்றி தெரியும் என தீர்மானித்து விட்டீரோ... தயவு செய்து பேசும் போது கவனம் சிதறாத நாம என்ன பேசிக்கொண்டீருக்கிறோமென உணர்ந்து பேசுங்கள். தவறாக நினைக்க வேண்டாம்.
பிரபலம் என்றால்
MS அம்மா என்றால் கர்னாடக சங்கீத பாடகி என்று உலகிற்கே தெரியும் உன்னைத்தவிர.
@@Arbutham-e6kஉண்மை 💯
அப்படி என்ன தான் சொன்னார் கிருஷ்ணா சார்?
உலகம் உருண்டை என்றார்
@@Arbutham-e6k ஆஹா...அற்புதம்...அற்புதம்...
@@musicalwanderings7380😅
The Institution is in Mylapore only, I agree!! The Portuguese referred to it as Black Town during their presence here!!! Irony!!! TMK is just a lone warrior in the domain, he can't make any radical change, true, but he is an initiator. A lot would come to make the institution and the carnatic music domain more democratic. Nothing is birthright to none!! If that's the tradition, then that's what must be reformed! Referring Brahaminical dominance in the Institution this blatantly in this interview, sounds arrogance!!! Simply arrogance!!! Should have a little more sanity and humanity!!!
TMK is a loser. If he really cares about music, instead of denigrating the stalwarts of music he should lead the change by being role model. Instead he seems more interested in keeping his name in the limelight.
Btw, music, any music, is also about economics. TMK is clearly rewarded for the opinions he is expressing by means other than his concerts (his audience numbers will speak for it).
Granted he is brilliant but unfortunately instead of using it to take Carnatic music to where it must go, he has dragged it into the mud. Good luck to TMK and may he receive the light of wisdom.
Let him teach Carnatic music to non Brahmins, Dalits whoever wants to learn and TMK wants to but not throw stalwarts in ditches
@@Abundantgrace-1Regarding his comments on MS, I cannot make a comment as I know nothing of that sort about her. But one thing I am certain about is that none is above public scrutiny! Especially so, when a whole lot of people are out there to make seemingly intellectual arguments, in the names of Sampradhyam, Bhakthi, auspicious, stalwarts and so on only to perpetuate the inhuman, unreasonable, unworthy status quo.
Regarding his audience numbers, they should be less in quantity only, obviously for the historic reasons!
Regarding him being a loser, I would not be wondering, as I can imagine the psychological pressures the guys around him, like you and other commentors, putting him through. Being a loser in such a case is more appreciable than being a successful one! May the Almighty, not the one whom you perceive to be, but the Almighty of all, give him the perseverance to continue his fight on.
@@amrajkumarhere
You are diabolically hypocritical. When EVR is criticised, why all the hell is let loose and one community is targeted, torched and berated.
Why the palanquin bearers of EVR take to streets to abuse the Brahmins. If you have any civility left in you, publicly decry such attitude.
Secondly, TMK has been teaching music for the last
10-15 years. How many students he has trained so far.
How many of them are belonging to elite class and how many to the depressed sections of society. Among his disciples how many had adorned the stage ( with break up of elite and non elite disciples)?
How many vidwans belonging to Depressed section were chosen by him for his concerts ? Why do not you ask him and furnish details.? He owes his popularity (?) to the family to which he belongs. He got whatever he wanted ONLY because he belonged to the TTK family. He will pale into insignificance if he is to be compared with T N Seshagopalan, who came from a lower middle class background and achieved tremendous heights.
T M Krishna should know what is humility.
@@amrajkumarhereபைத்திமாடா நீ
All your anger comes only bcoz T M Krishna spoke about Brahmanism…… Tats no way related to Carnatic music and you ppl have no intention and interest in safe guarding Carnatic music….. You guys want to safeguard your (Brahmins) position in the musical society….. If these fake MSS bakts have had balls they wud have corrected MSS profile in Wikipedia which says her mother comes from Devadasi Community….
ராம் பிரசாத் அருமையான விளக்கம் சார்
All I know is TMK's speech makes sense. For his speech to make sense, you must have been born in the subordinate class in this country! Sitting in an ivory tower and looking at the world that TMK refers to in his speech, would seem like a vanmam only!!
His speech makes sense, you mean😮
I meant. I assume it doesn't make sense to you, and the reason why you don't get it is you don't listen. The answer to your question is in the comment itself that you replied to!! Attention Deficits!!
MS Perana? She didn’t have any kid of her own.
MS அம்மாவின் வளர்ப்பு மகள் ராதா விஸ்வானாதனின் மகன்
SHE SUNG MORE DEVOSIONAL THERE ARE MANY ABOVE MS. LIKE SEMMANGUDI. VISVANATHA IYER. SHE NEVER SUNG M DEEKSHADAR TN IS CORRECT MS NOT A BRAHMIN. BORN TO A BRAHMIN
What is your botheration?
First of all MS . Subah Lakshmi was not a brahimin
I am not sure how much thos guy has achieved
TM Krishna oneof the worst person ever seen in the world. We are shame about him.
But for Non brahmins he seems a good person ..
@@Rabonykannanhe's acting. Pls don't believe
@@shivnarayan.v579 i don't believe you people... You are all Prejudiced peoples... He is not like that ...We believe he is like Ramanujar ...and Subramania bharathi