Know the Signs of Dyscalculia
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- In this webinar, we'll cover some of the signs that point to a likely diagnosis of dyscalculia (a math learning disability) and also share what helps students with this brain wiring difference.
At Made for Math, we provide all online multisensory math instruction to students with dyscalculia. Our methods help students who have never been able to connect to math, finally make those connections, and start using math in a meaningful way.
Please come visit us here: madeformath.com
Math in school was the absolute horror for me, always being subjected to embarrassment in front of the class. My parents just belittled me and put it as being feeble minded. I speak two languages fluently, the third not so fluent. I read and write with no problems. I just got a job as a research tech which overwhelms me in math, but knowing now possible solutions helps to cope with it and dive into it. I have always had a problem with North and South directions. I never remember where i parked my car and i drive very slowly. Now that i am 50 and knowing why i have those problems is a revelation!!
So glad you’ve got a phrase to describe what you’ve been dealing with. Thanks!
You got this girl!
Thank you for making this video! I have dyscalculia and my math teacher and guidance counsellor never takes me seriously! They think I’m making it up. For example, my math teacher hands me a test, assignment, etc.. I explain to him that I do not learn from being given packets of math assignments. He, on the other hand, telephones my parents and tells them I’m a “dramatic” and “lazy” individual. I’ve been struggling with dyscalculia all my life and it hurts to know that nobody believes me. I hope this video educates other teachers watching this video and grants them understanding of dyscalculia. To all math teachers reading my comment, your fellow students with dyscalculia aren’t lazy or uninterested in math, they have math anxiety and have a literal neurological disorder. NEVER ASSUME! if you’re not fit for students with dyscalculia or other disorders, do not be a teacher, thank you.
I'd never guessed that struggling with directions and reading charts and graphs could be a sign of dyscalculia.
It is , cause you need to see the figures in order to move the stuff around which i call it the procedure .
Has to do with visual-spatial reasoning.
I hate directions
Besides trouble with numbers, I also cannot complete even the simplest of jigsaw puzzles. I can’t do any of the IQ tests that require logic. I’m terrible at reading plans for building things. I can’t remember my own phone number or address. If I look up a phone number, I have to write it down because my short term memory can’t hold it long enough to dial. I’m fluent in a few languages and read a book a week. So I’m not stupid. But if you give me a third grade math quiz, I’m basically retarded.
When I was little, my mother could not help my sister and I with basic fractions and math in our homework. She still struggles with cooking and doubling/halving recipes. All these years we had a family joke that she just was so bad at math/fractions, but it dawned on me she might have this and no one really knew enough to support her or have words for it. I brought this up to her today. She never knew this was a thing!
We hear this all the time! Thank you for sharing with her. Be sure to check out the Unlocking Dyscalculia episode with Dylan Lynn. I think your mother will be able to relate!
I didn't start having issues until middle school when we started getting into Algebra. Once math became more complex with longer formulae, more steps, and letters mixed in with numbers, my brain just shut down.
I struggled so badly in school. I still struggle with it. Too bad nobody considered this when I was a kid. They just put me in special ed for math and wrote me off. I got tested and diagnosed about 2 years ago and I graduate from nursing school next month, and it’s very heavy on math. I honestly don’t know how I’ve made it, other than working and reworking every single problem until the formulas were practically burned into my brain. That doesn’t help with my issues with swapping around my numbers though. I always double and triple check and use a calculator even to double check basic math.
Congrats on graduating! That’s huge!! Math holds so many people back from pursuing a degree. You’ve got this!
I'm similar with computer science, which actually does consist of mathematical reasoning (programs are equations/ word problems, etc). When I went to my university's accessibility office, they were absolutely shocked that I'd gotten to PHD level just having learned about my neurodivergent brain. All the high school problems listed in this video were (and are) me. While I did barely get through those math classes, I do not possess the mental capacity to make the skill or sense stick.
I would love to see someone do research on dyscalculia in higher-level math and the professions.
We would too! I know David Geary has done some higher level studies but currently is going back to preschool math and moving forward.
I have a child in my class that I think has dyscalcilia. She shows all the signs. At 9 years old is strugling with 0-10 aditions and substractions, and no matter how much I work with her one to one she doesn t seem to recall anything next day. I try to convince her parents to get her evaluated. Thank you for all the pretious info you give me!!!
Good luck!
My problem was always those math problems with words "a train was going 50mph and a car was going ...." type thing. And of course the fact that if the teacher never emphasized the fact that you had to know a math RULE before working the problem, assuming you understood the book already.... elementary and jr high was hard for me with math. In fact one teacher sentenced me to detention in the 3rd grade because I didn't know the dot meant the same thing as the multiplication symbol. So I had to be hollered at by a male PE teacher and made to do jumping jacks and push ups as if I was a true troublemaker. Be glad you live in the information age!
But the guy is right, workarounds are everything, and that's what saved me while at the office.
Thank you for spreading awareness as this disorder has had me living small and feeling awful about myself for years.
I also went through college and was told, “you need to avoid math”. I FINALLY got through college algebra by making a PowerPoint that shows the reasoning behind what we are calculating and how these problems can show up in real life. Alternate exams may help students first understand the concept so they can continue to explore and build the skills. I had a wonderful sense of accomplishment when I managed to get a passing grade and I enjoyed linking the information with fun ideas. I also think this would be another way for creating understanding in a student who struggles with dyslexia. It gives students a way to connect a pictorial resource to symbols. I am very interested in hearing more about how others overcame a problem area in dyscalculia so I can accommodate and assist others in accomplishing and overcoming areas that are persistently troublesome.
On top of having 75% of the symptoms, I always needed to know the why behind math and never received it.
I got the why but years later, I no longer know how to perform the skills, which is what ultimately matters.
You might consider going into special education.
I was diagnosed with discalculia along with several other LDs. I was 55. Way to late to do anything about it! When I was going to school in the 50s and 60s . Special Education was the Coat room or the hallway. My teachers constantly criticized me or made fun. My home life was even worse. Their are no words to describe the impact these disabilities had on my health and peice of mind. Wich I had none of. The constant 24 7 stress destroyed my immune system. I also developed drug and alcohol abuse. I could go on and on. There is nothing cute funny or hopeful about learning disabilities. At leat not for me. Their have many many times I've wondered why I was even born. Anyway that's my real life experience with learning disabilities. A pure hell on earth ! 👹🌎 I hope this post stays up.
I feel for you and I am saddened that all this has made you wonder why you were born. People were wrong to mistreat you. Please know that academic achievement is not the end all be all, nor the purpose of life. You have a GOD-GIVEN purpose. You matter.
I wish I had the support I needed when I was younger and struggling with math. I remember asking a teacher for help during class once, she told me that I was afraid of math and sent me back to my desk. It was extremely unhelpful (obviously), and confirmed all of the fears and insecurities I already had surrounding math. I still struggle with math/dyscalculia today. A few years ago, in a statistics class, I cried while trying to complete the first unit, which was a "basic math review." I don't know if I'll ever have the courage or resources to work on my dyscalculia. Soon, I'll be statting a masters program in counselling psychology and the thing I dread the most is the stats class I'll have to do.
Thanks for commenting. The stats class is always tough and usually it has to do with who is teaching. Reach out to student services at your university and also, don’t be afraid to get help. Grad School Coach can help with stats and getting that final master thesis done and something you can be so proud.
@@MadeforMathDo you know where I could take these test? I would like to teach myself mathematics since I was poorly taught in school
@@yvvxn This specific test is given by a psychologist or neuropsychologist. You'd have to call and ask specifically if they administer it.
If you'd like to get clarity on what skills you have and where you need to start, you could select Let's Go Learn Assessments and take the DOMA Pre-Algebra which will go into elementary concepts. The report will give you a list of topics you do know but also what is missing. A red double arrow in a topic category indicates a starting point.
Where were you 35 years ago when I was first diagnosed with dyslexia. No one, especially not the school I went to, knew what to do with me or how to best help me and my parents tried, but they didn't know what to do either. This left me struggling in reading and math. I had to try to find what works best for me to learn. I noticed on the days I missed school and had to teach myself at home what I missed, I retained that information more and had better recall.
I listen to testimonials of the struggles people had in school and it was like they were talking about my life.
At work, I was recently transferred to a job that due to my learning disabilities, is difficult for me to do and I do it much slower than everyone else and can't get near quota. I let them know I have learning disabilities, but since I don't have any recent proof I still have the disabilities, they don't care and my job could be in jeopardy. Now I'm trying to jump through hoops just to keep my job. I'm 7 years from retirement so I can't just leave.
I understand helping kids, parents and teachers understand learning disabilities is important, but more companies need to be educated about adults with learning disabilities.
I’m so glad you shared! In order to get proof of a learning disability and peace of mind, it might be worth investing in an evaluation. I’d look to Marker Learning. They don’t provide services in all states but have many. The cost is around $799 for testing and can give you a diagnosis.
You could also go to your doctor and tell them what’s going on and have them refer you out to a specialist which could possibly make it covered by insurance. The process can take a bit but would be tremendously helpful.
And…as an employer, your company is skating on thin ice if they dismiss you. I would document all the disregards of your request for assistance as a disabled person just in case.
Last comment and then I’ll leave you be. Check out this podcast about disability and the workplace with Adam Grant. Lots of helpful information in there:
open.spotify.com/episode/22Kmh7AswRAoZ23JNy2GLb?si=3qk7NhZ8Rp2hFTxKTD8jiQ
Your state's Department of Rehabilitation Services should be able to provide you with an evaluation for documentation, and help you navigate the workplace.
This guy and I are in the same boat. I can do really well in subjects like reading, writing, drawing, etc but math has never been my strong suit. I also was involved two car accidents. The first car accident happened in between the year's of 1994 and 1995.After that I had to go through resource classes during the years of 2000 and 2004. In between those Years I had gotten in a second car accident and it just made the problem with any math class. So that is why i have never had the best time in any math class
I had to train a man to use a band saw, he could not even tell the difference of a 1" diameter round bar from a 1.25" diameter bar even though they were side by side, nothing of any part of math processed, not even counting. I spend hours a day trying to teach converting centimeters to millimeters, but he didn't even recognize the difference of a totally different number from the target number. I got so hoarse teaching, makind analogies, diagrams, that I had him watch videos of how to read a tape measure. It was so foreign to me I had thoughts that it was deliberate to protest having me train him, but I held to the thought it was a head injury or a development issue. Thanks for this info.
It's so fascinating and frustrating. He most likely doesn't understand how place value works from whole numbers to decimals.
Any thing to do with numbers was Greek to him.
My teachers used to put a maths problem on the board, and call me up to solve it, I stood there for ever, while she called me names, and the other kids laughed, I could never tell the time, had trouble with money all my life… it created issues with my confidence …..I get lost easily when driving somewhere, I get so frustrated with myself
I have all of the symptoms of dyscalculia. I was born left handed and in fifth grade, my teacher forced me (and one other boy) to switch to right. That was also the last year I passed a math class. I failed every math class through HS and college. I had all the credits to graduate except math. I was taking a “Math for Teachers” class for the 4th time and still failing miserably. My professor came to me and recommended testing. The test revealed I had dyslexia of numbers. I don’t think the official name had been adopted yet. My professor passed me out of pity and I went on to become a teacher and principal for 35 years. I adapted as best as I could until calculators came out. I use it for simple math. Any problem that has steps or processes is still incomprehensible to me.
Hi I loved your video. My comment is kind of long, so I appreciate in advance your time to read it. My daughter is almost 22 and still dealing with HS because she never got an intervention for LD. She was diagnosed by a neurologist with Dyslexia until about 15 y/o, but I kept asking for help from the District for Dyslexia symptoms, Dysgraphia, and Dyscalculia since she was in elementary (never got help for it). She is also diagnosed with HF AS (former Asperger's), ADHD, Sensory processing (chronic migraines, asthma, allergies, GI, among others, and, unfortunately, Fibromyalgia), of course, severe anxiety and some depression. She has had an IEP since 1st. grade.. She is very intelligent in some areas and her vocabulary has been very high since a very young age, and for that reason, she always impress evaluators and she hasn't been able to get appropriate services. Her auditory comprehension skill was at a college graduate level when she was tested in 4th grade. She has attended public school, but currently, she has been using a program called APEX that reads to her, but among the credits, she needs to graduate are 2 of math, which I don't think even the District knows how to help her at this point, but they pretend that she passes those credits in about 2-3 months. If she can't complete those credits, she won't be able to graduate. She'll be 22 in January, and the District says that according to the Sp Ed laws she has only until June (when the year school finish) to keep her Sp Ed services... after that she won't have them. We already asked for extra time, but they say that they consider that it's doable that she passes, so they denied extra time. My daughter won't be able to graduate without Sp Ed services :'( . She passed other grades in Math because she practically had fundamental classes one to one every day in Sp Ed classes. Her current teacher and school psychologist are nice, but it seems they are not understanding her challenges. She has been always passionate about music and acting, but she also has problems with music notes and I think that with rhythm in some ways, as well (she can't sing and clap at the same time). She aims to study a career in Music, (she is a soprano) and Acting with a minor in English (to help her with her music compositions). She gets lost when she goes somewhere by herself, sometimes even when she knows the places like school, but she gets lost if she has never been somewhere before. She confuses left and right, sometimes she won't even differentiate them. She has fallen and hit herself many times because she stumbles or bumps with things, and had to use several times a wheelchair, walker, and crutches, which it's very difficult for her because of Fibromyalgia.
LD is only a part of her condition. She has about 10 different specialists. I'm a single (and now senior Mom) and practically her caregiver. No way to work because I can't commit... I need to be changing days/hours, running to UC, or not attending because I have to take my daughter to ER or stay home with her because she feels so bad. So we are always trying to survive. She doesn't qualify for programs because she is always in the "gray area" and doesn't meet their criteria. No way to pay for anything private. I admire my daughter because, with so many conditions and challenges, she keeps fighting and has so many dreams and goals she wants to accomplish. She has a heart for the most vulnerable (children, people with disabilities, and the elderly) because she understands their struggles and what they are going through. I wish we would find the support she needs, but none-profit organization agencies have rejected to help us with her school issue. We don't have any family support and she doesn't have anyone else besides me. People just don't understand how difficult and concerning situations like this are, especially if the conditions are "invisible".
Not too sure if i can help you , would you want to have a chat with me and i see if i can help you out ?
Wow. Lorena. Somehow I missed this message in the shuffle of life. First, I want to say I took a big sigh after reading. This is HEAVY. There is no manual on raising these kids because the normal advice just doesn’t work.
How did it turn out? Send me an update?
I don't know enough about this to say this with authority, but my first thought after reading her list of disorders is this young lady has a severe food sensitivity/gut problem. I have read enough to know that food sensitivity/gut problems can manifest in dysfunctions in the brain, that in turn can manifest in a lot of these symptoms. The fact that she has so many symptoms makes it even more suspect. You might want to consult a functional medicine practitioner.
She is a very strong and determined young lady. Even if she doesn't reach her goal of a college degree, she can find other opportunities to have a career in singing and acting.
She should be eligible for Social Security
and State Medical Assistance.
It is stuff I have come to understand and learn to navigate in real world, your video does realy carify the dysculcalia condition for learners. teachers, as a parent and high school teacher 'Made for Math' now becomes one of my good reference for relable resource material.thanks alot.
You’re welcome!
This is really helpful, especially for people like me who have mild to moderate dyscalculia.
So glad you found it helpful John!
Yesssss thank you for sharing this.
😓 I wish my kids SPED teacher would watch this. We're pulling him out to start homeschool with a co-op. I'm fortunate that I have the time do so. His feedback from school (especially sped teacher) is that he is 'lazy', 'avoids work', 'doesn't try'. I know this kid and all he wants to do is make people happy. If he 'could' do it. He would. He's on the wait list for testing for all the dys's at UofO. Its expensive, but i need to know for sure what he needs. I just can't let him go on thinking he is dumb or different -his words. This is really what I needed hear. Starting homeschool on Monday.
Search for a neuropsychologist in your area but also consider doing one online.
Here are a few we know of as well:
Child Nexus (located in California)
IDA Dyslexia Provider Network (search by state)
Marker Learning (can be done online)
Parallel Learning (can be done online)
How’s it going?
@@MadeforMath Our first couple days of homeschool have been great! Just the happy, try hard kid I know he is. It's really a polar opposite of how sad he seemed on school days. Probably a honeymoon phase, but I'm really happy to see him feel like he accomplished something. 🥹 Thanks for the info. I will look into it!
58 year old here and have always struggled with math concepts. Remember wanting a mickey mouse watch so badly when I was a kid and when I got one being terrified of being asked what time it was.
I’m a 64 year old and I think I have discalculia. I have problems with pretty much all of it. I have problems with directions, I don’t know the difference between North , south , east and west. I can’t count back change, Thank goodness the register does it for me ,I get numbers mixed up all the time. I never made above a C in math from 3rd grade on . I can’t tell what measurements mean in inches or metrics. I can’t keep places in columns of numbers. I can’t read in certain colors . Algebra and higher forms of math have way too many steps. I also can’t tell when I turn water off and on unless I see it come out of the faucet. These things still hold a lot frustration for me .I want to learn to read music but it’s too much and too busy and that’s just a melody. Thank you for being here.
I also have problems with time management . I loose track of time all the time as in how long 20 minutes is I have to set alarms a lot
Mathematics is one of the worse subjects in school to me. When I found out about dyscalculia, I realized that I have it. I felt like crying, overwhelming frustrated, I was also in Special Education classes. I still struggling with money, fractions, percentages, and so on. Now I'm learning what dyscalculia is. I really would like to do some research about math. Teachers had gotten frustrated with me.
Is this a new discovery? I struggled with math starting in first grade...almost dropped out of college but managed to pass with a D-. Otherwise an A student. Grew up knowing and hearing about dyslexia but never dyscalculia. Is it considered a disability?
Yes, you can receive accommodations for dyscalculia. I prefer not to think of it as a deficit but a brain wiring difference. We’ve known about this for a long time but it hasn’t gotten as much funding for research. We’re about 30 years behind dyslexia studies. Consider checking out our Unlocking Dyscalculia episode with Dr. David Geary. He is doing tons of research about how the brain really learns math.
More symptoms: Difficulty learning how to tie shoelaces, trouble using a combination lock, trouble keeping up with whose turn it is when playing games.
I hated math because I had no encouragement to learn about math from teachers at. I'd cringe and I cry easily.I don't know how to count money when it comes coins and paper dollars all together. It was so embarrassing that students asked me what's 3+3. I definitely getting help and I really want encouragement and support badly because I'm definitely struggling with it.
Your work with Dyscalculia is so good. Is there anything like this for adults with Dyscalculia?
I’m so glad you’re finding value in what we’re sharing! We’ve thought about developing services or materials for adults but wasn’t sure if adults would be interested.
What would be most helpful for you?
I would definitely be interested.
@@HG-gj9lh What type of skills would be best? Everyday math for adults? Helping you pass math classes at the college level?
@@MadeforMath both. I just finished nursing school and the math was by far the hardest part because I struggled to remember the formulas and I always had to be so careful and meticulous to ensure I didn’t write the numbers is the wrong order.
@@MadeforMath do you have an email address you can share? I have some insights for you on what helped me finally learn arithmetic in my mid 20’s!
I think I may have it I have struggled with math all my life but I been able to pass the classes by trying my best
you need to find me for help and have lessons if you want to get changes .
Well done! I bet you’re working super hard. So glad you found us here
I am a 58 year old woman who believes this is my problem
Probably is ?. As when you and i went to school you were suffering from what they called number blindness !. Or depending on what sort of teacher you had (thick stupid lazy not interested don't listen etc ) the fact that you genuinely didn't have a clue what they were talking about wasn't taken in to account !.
Having trouble measuring anything, reading analog clocks, maps, holding numbers in your head.
I have a whole of other problems besides math unfortunately and as a 35 year old adult I have such low self esteem. School didn't know what to do with me so they put me in with the severely mentally disabled kids. I feel sorry for kids that struggle in school.
My dad, a math wizard, have been living with two people (me and mom) who both have dyslexia and dyscalculia, but I am diagnosed as mom don't really see the point since she's so old. But she have the exact same signs as I have.
I’m 54 years old and still trying to get my GED. I’ve tried many times in my life and it was always the math that stopped me. I recently employed a tutor and I will sit and listen to her and get it but as soon as she’s gone I literally forget the whole thing. I feel so stupid. I feel like even she is getting frustrated with me. I’ve literally been on fractions and decimals for a month now 😭I just found out about this disorder today and at least I know it’s a real thing. I still don’t know what to do about it though.
"I'am in my 60's now! ..The way I was taught to read time on clock ⏲️ as a very young kid. .it was beaten into me with an electric cord flex😈 and I suffered a lot from this treatment 😢 .. (I have had to keep this to my self and suffering)
The parent 👪 is supposed to protect their child not torcher the crap💩 out of them!!!
"If anyone did this now to a kid they would be in lock-up 👮
(I'am a dyscal ..AND I'AM PROUD OF IT!)
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It wasnt just pearents i am in my mid 60's and the teachers were arse holes if you didn't give the right answer you got smacked around the back of the head or the ruler on your knuckles !.As well as coping a mouth full of verbal abuse about being thick lazy stupid or a waste of time etc .
And they used to encourage the other kids to laugh and make fun of you for being stupid . I actually spent more math's lessons , stood out in the hall way than i did in the class room !.
Just for not having any idea what 6x7 was or some thing , It didn't take long to work out how to get sent out of the class which suited me fine .
As i wasn't copping her or his shit then when I was asked next day what was the answer to some thing they had done the day before ?, I used to say how would i know I was out in the hall way ?.
That was a guaranteed way to get punted out side again Which suited me fine as i could read my book in peace !.
@@kevinduffy6712 "I'am share all you're pain 👹💩 and more so Sir "And yes it was hell on earth 🗺👿😢 .. As I remember it ..
At least we have become stronger ..but the physical beating-up 25/8 as a very small child ..Made me to this day a very,very,very, good liar as a kid ..Now I just look after my disabled brother and keep an eye on my disabled sister in her full time care home 😇
And thank you for sharing your that part of a dark past not easy .. I do it because I'am very angry 😠 what went on to people with learning problems in life ...
Take care now 💜
"Strong together 💜
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One of my the most frustrating things about having dyscalculia is the accommodation ;”allow more time on tests”.
You can give me an extra 20 minutes or 20 days, and the outcome is the same. I’m not going to “eventually figure it out”. I have no idea how to solve the problem no matter how much time I’m given.
Until i was 40 years old, I would panic when I’m asked to do math in front of others. My 6th grade teacher would make us compete with each other on the chalk board. I took logic and statistics to avoid traditional math. I didn’t do great and had to take stats twice.
This is a common thing we hear from adults. Anxiety totally shuts down your ability to pull what you do know as well. Stats is a rough class too!
It's really weird because I don't have so much anxiety with numbers. In a way, I used to be very confident in alot of my answers, but I would wnd up getting failing grades on assignments because I was mixing up numbers and had a hard time remembering if I already did a step and ended up doing that step multiple times or skipping it all together. It is very confusing. I just got diagnosed yesterday and I'm 31.
This was and is me. :(
I haven’t even been able to get through college.
Have you stopped into student services? You can get help and even tested for a diagnosis. Listen to our episode of Unlocking Dyscalculia with Dylan Lynn. This is exactly how she got help.
@@MadeforMath I did but they didn’t exactly take me serious
I am amazed that the guy in the video thought he could become a helicopter pilot without using math skills.
I have ADHD, Autism and Dyscalculia... Didn't find out until I was in my 30's.
I think my biggest issues are visual tracking and alignment, and also the vocabulary was never properly explained to me.
Since math equations can be written in several different ways, the problems I already had with visual tracking due to dyslexia was compounded in maths.
I've recently started to re-teach myself maths with some study books for kids and it's been eye opening and also somewhat frustrating to know that I could've had a chance if somebody had actually tried to help me. Instead, all they did was get upset with me for failing grades and make me do tests.
Being told you're "wasted potential" for your entire childhood is really painful.
I don't know how much finally learning maths is going to change my life. I don't know if I'll ever be able to look at a clock face and "get it", I don't know if I'll ever be able to not get lost while driving.
But it feels good to know I'm not inherently "damaged".
That's really painful. My hope is that we can continue to spread awareness so that all students have access to teachers who have more knowledge about how the brain learns math and what it looks like for those with different wiring. You might want to check out our Telling Time videos or reading the book, Ollie O'Clock. It's a children's book but does a fantastic job explaining the structure of a clock.
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Hello, I have a 12 year old with Dyscalculia. Issues started in 2nd grade and he was officially diagnosed in 3rd grade. Now in middle school (7th grade), the struggles with math is still present although he has resources in place in school. However, I'm wondering after watching this video if the school's resources are adequate and appropriate to address his learning disability. The school is aware but I'm not certain they know how to really address what he needs. Also, this video is showing me that I need to advocate more for him as a parent given this is a "real disability" that some people don't truly understand. Do you have any other advice, resources, suggestions, to offer....?
Hi Dana! I’d recommend reading through our in-depth article What is Dyscalculia?
madeformath.com/what-is-dyscalculia
In our menu, also look at Accommodations Generator to compare what the school is doing vs what we suggest.
Then at the next IEP, you advocate for those things to be added
Because I can do elementary math, the current diagnosis criteria does not concern me. On the evaluation, they should consider the HOW of calculation/ computation (eg. scratch work, problem-solving process). This would've made it apparent that I have the learning disability (I tested too high for the threshold).
My 11 yro son was finally tested using the C-Toni 2 and the WRAT and his math IQ is 79. He has always struggled with math. He also has ADHD and was diagnosed at age 9 yro. His school has never heard of Dyscalculia. They can give no date of when the psychologist will be able to assess him. This has been going on since he was in 3rd grade. He is also seeing a counselor but that's once a month and the counselor does not email me back when I have a question. I'm doing all I can to help but I'm not an educator. What else can I do?
Just remember dyscalculia doesn't mean that you have a low IQ in fact most people with it have high IQ'S
I highly recommend you check out the video in our playlist Unlocking Dyscalculia Ep 3. Laura Jackson is the guest and she has a great list of things you can do next.
Is there any tools or suggestions that you can provide for adults who have this? I'm 30, I have it, I'd like to know if there's anything that can help me with learning math
Hello! It depends on what kind of math you’d like to learn. Everyday math like telling time, reading a map, keeping left/right straight in your head, calendars, etc. Or are we talking about passing an algebra class.
Looking back with hind sight ?. I can not understand why i had to do arithmetic exams ?.
I never got enough marks in weekly tests and the 11plus exam I only got 4 right one was my name and the other was my class and two additions .
When I went to secondary school the math's teacher said that Wouldn't pass the half year exam ?.
And she said she couldn't spend any extra time with me , as it wasn't fair on the other kids !
She used to get the shits with me using dots ETC to work stuff out and said I was stupid because I couldn't Remember the times tables ETC .
The weird thing was , I refused to learn French so I had to stand out in the hall way .
When the head master asked why I didn't want to learn French ?.
I said the taken over England and they never will so why learn it ?.
Had i have got a cple of marks in math's and French I would have gone up from c to b !.
I went through exactly what the first testimony said i struggled so much with math and every school i went to i was placed on the special ed class till this day i dont know my math its so frustrating. I tried taking a basic math class at the community college and it was so hard to learn it i told them that i would have to repeat the the quater class just so i can maybe memorize it but it honestly is a waste of time thats what they said in the school. My question is I'm an adult and Where can I get diagnosed with dyslexia I struggled to memorize things and I gotta be honest I've always struggled with math. I don't know multiplication and even counting money. I've been ripped off before with change cause it's something I struggled with. Not just that but a bit of reading also. I struggle with work but I honestly need a diagnosis so my job is more understanding of my struggles. all my life I've struggled with this learning issue. Where do you recommend I go.
Hi there! My question would be what is the goal in getting a diagnosis as an adult? We have a new segment coming out soon where we address these directly. To get a diagnosis, you would meet with a neuropsychologist and do a full battery of tests. It is expensive but might be covered by insurance.
Idk if I have it but. I cannot CANNOT do mental math. I can barely count in my head, 5’s and 10’s is fine, but anything else no. I’m 7th grade, I still count on my fingers, and I just can’t learn my multiplication tables no matter how hard I try. Do u think I have it?? And with numbers it’s so hard for me to remember them for some reason. Also thr numbers if they’re in a big path they just mash. I am always second guessing myself to bc I just don’t trust myself with math, I sometimes look back at the number multiple times. I was failing math but now I have a C . Other classes I have an A and im amazing at reading. And I have big trouble with uneven numbers mostly. Like change counting change. But I have no idea if I have dyscalculia, I also have usually had problems with directions like left and right but I’ve gotten way better at that. I think if I have it I would have it mild.
You very well could have it. Many of the issues you are sharing are common in people in with dyscalculia. You’re also experiencing math anxiety which impacts your ability to learn the content as well. If you like reading, try out reading Math Doesn’t Suck by Danika McKellar. It’s written for teenage students. Inside are tips for learning math in a fun, non-scary way.
@@MadeforMath ok thank you! 😊
Your parents can request an evaluation through the school district.
Hello, my name is Emma. I live in the UK and I'm already in secondary school because it works differently here, so I think that makes me grade 8 or 9 in your case. I was wondering if you know of any link of dyscalculia in premature babies. I was premature by 3 months and suffered 9 months of hospitalization kept in an incubator for most of the time. I'm unsure whether I percentages
Emma
Hi Emma! Thanks for commenting. We do know that babies as young as two weeks old can discern which dot pattern has more with quantities up to 4.
The research focused on preterm babies is very limited but there is a correlation that children born preterm of 32 weeks do struggle with school, especially in maths.
However, narrowing it to a specific reason is complex as preterm babies have several issues that could have impacted brain development. There was a team that found a link to reduced grey matter in the part or the brain responsible for numerical processing (parietal lobe).
A good scientist to learn from about these complexities with Dyscalculia is Professor Brian Butterworth.
I hope that helps! I love that you are curious and seeing links between possible reasons for Dyscalculia.
@@MadeforMath hello, thank you so much for getting back to me, this means a LOT! I’ll find out more about it. Thank you so so so so much for your help, and I’m really glad that you make videos about this, it’s spreading the word about how important it is and sharing support. Thanks again and have a great day and wonderful new year!
Emma
@@MadeforMath Also, I have no idea why the rest of that comment just stopped randomly. I was typing it on computer, must have had a melt down! Sorry! All the best.
Had real problems in math.My son too has the same problem . I am really surprised that it is a disability.
I prefer to think of it as a difference and not a deficit. The way math is taught traditionally is not accessible to your brain. With the right methods, it does become possible!
Do you have a source list by any chance?
Darn it! I don’t but I can provide you with one. You’re referring to reference sources for my info right?
@@MadeforMath Yes! Thanks :)
Where do I start first, to get tested& I have cried through most of this
Don't let it get you down as most of the math's they tried to teach you is a crock of shit any way !.
Reason !. I used to get accused of copying the kids answers next me ?,
vexatious
I want you to watch our episode Unlocking Dyscalculia with Dylan Lynn. She is such an inspiration! I think you’ll walk away feeling validated and hear how people have learned to live with dyscalculia.
@@MadeforMath hi is that the name of it
@@kevinduffy6712 Here's the direct link: ua-cam.com/video/VlJlQUhTk7w/v-deo.html
Omg this is me , I am 54 years old and I have felt stupid all my life because I haven't been able to gain a maths exam I have tried time an again to sit an exam and I just look at the paper and looks like a rubbish to me. I also think I have a dyslexia in some form.
So glad this is bringing you some clarity! And hopefully some self compassion too
Who’s messing with my x…. My experience is those cute phrases distract and confuse… similar to queens and kings, big on bottom go next door, alligator mouth… it might help to get through assignment at hand but not in long run and they confuse and distract.
Depends on the student’s learning profile. No two learners are alike. We’ve seen it help students in the long run but yes, for others it may not help at which point we pivot.
I was petrified through every lesson and I believed I was an idiot.
I copied from my friends. 11 years of hell.
😭😭
This sounds like me and I feel anxiety
Think of the word calculate, that is how you pronounce it.
I am the most stupid place in the world and my parents tell me to act my age and being put down and I've been ignored for a great time and I have had a reapted failure and I can never get it right and I just can't do time test and that how I was prodeicted and a in my nat 5 apps ifmaths and I got a d .
So tough! You are not alone. Dyscalculia can also be present with other things like dyslexia, ADHD, and autism. Often parents are unsure how to help because they don’t struggle with these things. Often neurodivergent people mask their struggles because others tell them to shape up, get it together. You can learn more about this by reading or listening to the book Unmasking Autism.
Because of dyscalculia I missed out on grammar school, which means being doomed in society.
Who else has hidden the loath and fear of numbers pretending fleeing, avoiding etc.
The fear is real… no one must know.
Stupid name dyscalculia.
When I was 6 the Teacher hit me around the head with a book … was i so awful her frustration got the better of her.
Or was she in a foul mood and took it out on me creating a Math phobia for me?
It’s the brain switch off that bothers me so much … 😮💨😞
The Anxiety is instant the second your in a position to have to deal with numbers infront of people.
Ooof. That is terrible. Learning to advocate for yourself is key so that people can give you space to process and think.
this sounds like me I really hate Maths
The psychometrics on the Feiffer are poor, not valid to identify disabilities, and his subcategories on both his tests are kind of bogus. Further - building on some supposed visual strength, or "learning style", is quite debunked in the literature as well.
Hi there! Thanks for commenting. Yes, learning styles are debunked. Maybe a better phrase would be preference? We use as many senses as we can to increase access to learning. I’ve learned how to better communicate about this since the creation of this video.
I interviewed Steven Feifer about his FAM assessment if you want to take a look. It’s Episode 15 of the Unlocking Dyscalculia Web Series. One would use the FAM in addition to a battery of tests, you wouldn’t use it in isolation.
How is a gifted kid who is performing slightly below average in a specific subject NOT DEFICIENT?! You shouldn't be comparing them to an "average" student and declaring them to be okay because their performance is nearly on par with "average," you should be comparing them to other gifted kids and the performance you would expect from a high-IQ kid. This is exactly how gifted children constantly get missed for a diagnosis of learning difficulties: not being compared to actual peers when evaluated for an impairment. I think you dropped the ball with that kid.