Giving My Perspective: Angelika Oles, Drama Channels and More

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  • @InVitroxoxo
    @InVitroxoxo 4 роки тому +3828

    rich lux literally said jeffree star's racism was an opinion....that's all i needed to know about him

    • @aintzane6281
      @aintzane6281 4 роки тому +69

      @Smiya Coron yeah and people just said it was taken out of context I hate it here

    • @gothfemboybf4936
      @gothfemboybf4936 4 роки тому +113

      isnt he on jeffrees payroll or friends list or some shit? of course hes gonna bend over backwards at jeffrees fingersnap

    • @Princessbubblegum567
      @Princessbubblegum567 4 роки тому +72

      He is such a Jeffree Star kiss ass. It’s nauseating

    • @user-re4kc9on6f
      @user-re4kc9on6f 4 роки тому +6

      🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

    • @kaori8208
      @kaori8208 4 роки тому +5

      Is it not an opinion?

  • @savannahmills2494
    @savannahmills2494 4 роки тому +6239

    I’m honestly sick of the idea that gay men can’t be misogynistic because some of them are the first ones to take the opportunity to belittle women and bully them.

    • @PoonaniiTsunamii
      @PoonaniiTsunamii 4 роки тому +521

      People would be surprised the amount of misogyny in the gay community. 🤦🏻‍♀️

    • @gurvirj479
      @gurvirj479 4 роки тому +54

      💯💯💯

    • @yuks705
      @yuks705 4 роки тому +46

      Trueeeeeeeee!!!

    • @PoonaniiTsunamii
      @PoonaniiTsunamii 4 роки тому +228

      @Smiya Coron I wanted to say exactly this, but I didn’t have the words. They are every bit as entitled in their behavior towards women as their straight counterparts.

    • @mielpop2571
      @mielpop2571 4 роки тому +221

      I feel like people also don't talk about the racism in they gay community

  • @gr0mling635
    @gr0mling635 4 роки тому +4893

    I get why Jenna left the Internet

    • @autumnroy
      @autumnroy 4 роки тому +66

      Fr tho

    • @lvllavahead
      @lvllavahead 4 роки тому +60

      THIS

    • @animec-dramaskpop6362
      @animec-dramaskpop6362 4 роки тому +116

      You said it all without saying much. 👏🏾

    • @marisp2588
      @marisp2588 4 роки тому +120

      I miss her, but honestly don't blame her whatsoever with the mess that it is

    • @lvllavahead
      @lvllavahead 4 роки тому +27

      @@marisp2588 it is a literal dumpster fire.

  • @SuhannaDeSilva
    @SuhannaDeSilva 4 роки тому +2851

    I hate how changing your opinion on things based on the most up to date ACCURATE information is considered “flip flopping” 🤦🏽‍♀️

    • @kathleenem9207
      @kathleenem9207 4 роки тому +109

      They’ll be changing their opinion and reassessing their positions about a lot of things in life- it’s called growing up.

    • @ilisten2thecureandcry
      @ilisten2thecureandcry 3 роки тому +59

      fr !! it’s completely normal and healthy to change your opinion on someone after finding out they did something that you don’t think is okay.

    • @merwanerants1917
      @merwanerants1917 3 роки тому +1

      I think they say its flipflopping cuz she did this several time. And most of the time i agree with her. However if someone is your friend u should talk to them privately before shaming them publically

    • @lindamorph694
      @lindamorph694 3 роки тому +3

      Is considered flip flopping only for those bias drama channels, they use all the excuses and never apply to them

    • @TaelurAlexis
      @TaelurAlexis 3 роки тому +8

      @@merwanerants1917 she didn’t even shame her Jesus

  • @Izzy-uz1cf
    @Izzy-uz1cf 4 роки тому +1750

    the big white drama channels didnt care about angelika being accused of microaggressions but cared about friend drama

    • @arugulaempire8779
      @arugulaempire8779 4 роки тому +23

      So racist. C'mon man.

    • @jessicamartinez257
      @jessicamartinez257 4 роки тому +61

      I think too they have been jelly of Smokey for a bit and saw a chance to attack her. So proud of Smokey for this video 🖤🖤🖤

    • @MMMMD1
      @MMMMD1 4 роки тому +8

      @@arugulaempire8779 how is it racist

    • @brightstars1697
      @brightstars1697 4 роки тому +48

      @@MMMMD1 Because they are seeing it from a privileged standing point where they’ve never been through what POC go through everyday. They completely disregarded the real issue, Angelikas micro aggression, and turned in to two girls having a cat fight. It’s also very misogynistic for the men who made their videos with never ending ads to view this situation as simply that.

    • @Izzy-uz1cf
      @Izzy-uz1cf 4 роки тому +4

      @@Amandinhad15 yeah i was subscribed to her but had no idea any of this was even going on bc she barely addressed it.. probably to avoid it

  • @Charlotte-jq9xt
    @Charlotte-jq9xt 4 роки тому +3779

    Being a youtuber sounds EXHAUSTING

    • @kdragon713
      @kdragon713 4 роки тому +6

      Right

    • @sunshinet90
      @sunshinet90 4 роки тому +58

      Absolutely. These days you gotta fully vet someone to make sure they didn’t commit any unforgivable sins before daring to associate publicly with them because if they do something to get canceled, you’re gonna go down too

    • @Charlotte-jq9xt
      @Charlotte-jq9xt 4 роки тому +24

      @Death 》 oooh that's a take I definitely don't agree with, my friend 😊

    • @anyalaASMR
      @anyalaASMR 4 роки тому +48

      @Death 》 They’re being paid for doing something, what is your definition of a job?

    • @auniazahra1943
      @auniazahra1943 4 роки тому +16

      And it all started with a collab on the top drama of 2020 😬 they missed one

  • @hellomoto5870
    @hellomoto5870 4 роки тому +924

    Imagine turning down an invitation and never living it down. My social anxiety’s worst nightmare

    • @marisp2588
      @marisp2588 4 роки тому +39

      Omg I feel you on a spiritual level 😭

    • @Cocolagaffe18
      @Cocolagaffe18 4 роки тому +24

      that's honestly one of the things I was thinking, no way in hell would I have agreed to go to a party with people I don't know or calmly dealt with someone publicly calling me out for not going

    • @katerrinah5442
      @katerrinah5442 4 роки тому +25

      Not just never live it down but have the internet put you on blast for it????

    • @gis3ll3ramir3z99
      @gis3ll3ramir3z99 4 роки тому +6

      Right. Over something so tiny and dumb.

    • @catebloods4897
      @catebloods4897 2 роки тому +2

      Are you ............. me?

  • @goober48975
    @goober48975 4 роки тому +3772

    If your worst criticism is that you're "rude", especially coming from openly racist people, then I think you're doing pretty good. You don't owe any alliance especially when it comes to speaking up about racism.

    • @ladycaticorn2950
      @ladycaticorn2950 4 роки тому +177

      Also, all these men attacking her seem like misogynists which make their criticism of Hannah invalid in my eyes.

    • @shamsomar2004
      @shamsomar2004 4 роки тому +12

      No its not just rude , the angelika situation they were both in the wrong but if u nicely invite someone and then they go to thousands of people telling them that u are scared of them then that’s hypocritical not just rude because she gave them the impression that she would come then out of the blue she made a video dissing them

    • @goober48975
      @goober48975 4 роки тому +129

      @@shamsomar2004 i couldn’t care less about her hurting racist ppls feelings ❤️

    • @Justanopinionnooffense
      @Justanopinionnooffense 4 роки тому

      True, true....

    • @audiwinn3934
      @audiwinn3934 4 роки тому

      Thisssss

  • @c.c.2763
    @c.c.2763 4 роки тому +1835

    Why call it 'flip-flopping?' People are allowed to change their opinions on things.🤷‍♀️

    • @blaake7892
      @blaake7892 4 роки тому +43

      uh oh we're not supposed to change our opinions about things no one is supposed to know you can do that

    • @daniminebaunin6633
      @daniminebaunin6633 4 роки тому +24

      Especially if you change your opinion after getting new informations.

    • @laurenvcouto
      @laurenvcouto 4 роки тому +46

      i’m the biggest flip flopper ever. i’m constantly changing opinions i was sure were set in stone whenever i get new information. it’s called growing.

  • @emilybroadstone6683
    @emilybroadstone6683 4 роки тому +2761

    Let's talk about how the "drama community" made this whole thing a "cat fight" between two white influencers rather than focusing on microagression.

    • @noa4644
      @noa4644 4 роки тому +150

      This comment section is a bunch of white people deciding what’s racist or what’s not and SG liking negative comment about angelika. I am sick of white people using racism for their petty fights.

    • @iridizousa8578
      @iridizousa8578 4 роки тому +3

      this 🔝🔝🔝

    • @danihartery-smith1140
      @danihartery-smith1140 4 роки тому

      Truth

    • @beyonce3
      @beyonce3 4 роки тому

      @@noa4644 I cosign

    • @hubbardlaluce3932
      @hubbardlaluce3932 4 роки тому +8

      @@noa4644 please ok fake ass civil rights leader. If get out the comment section and join your local naacp and make change instead of Clout Comments

  • @oritsela
    @oritsela 4 роки тому +2352

    Yikes. This is why I could never do youtube. My anxiety is through the roof and I am not even personally involved 😖

    • @ADayToForget321
      @ADayToForget321 4 роки тому +158

      bro same i am way too sensitive for all this lol

    • @mnemeikyu9299
      @mnemeikyu9299 4 роки тому +29

      Literally me right now as I consider whether or not I truly want to try doing twitch..

    • @lilhonor5425
      @lilhonor5425 4 роки тому +25

      Same this kinda stuff stresses me out

    • @nehajoshi4089
      @nehajoshi4089 4 роки тому +43

      @@ADayToForget321 i have always wanted to post vids with my voice in it but i am literally so terrified that im gonna say something that might be perceived wrongly🤧 i am too scared of the youtube community

    • @ADayToForget321
      @ADayToForget321 4 роки тому +55

      @@nehajoshi4089 i would be cancelled in 2 seconds if i was an influencer lmaooo

  • @crystalmarie2448
    @crystalmarie2448 4 роки тому +2726

    I really dislike this trend where, when someone is like "this thing you did isn't great" the response is "well YOU'RE NOT PERFECT!!" Like. We know. No one is perfect. Perfection isn't what's being asked for- transparency isn't impossible, and neither is accountability. I'm sorry you were put in this situation and lots of other drama channels are using it as an excuse to get out their aggression about other problems they have with you.

    • @palladium607
      @palladium607 4 роки тому +6

      Agree

    • @trowai6566
      @trowai6566 4 роки тому +28

      Agreed!
      I've heard this called "what aboutism"

    • @crystalmarie2448
      @crystalmarie2448 4 роки тому +7

      @@nickyb.5170 YES! Like. I wish that when people got called out they'd focus on fixing what happened, instead of calling all their friends to dig up dirt on that person. Because then it just becomes an endless loop of tea videos and draggings and the actual issue doesn't even get resolved.

    • @xoxsaimaxox9117
      @xoxsaimaxox9117 4 роки тому +7

      "Some people say nobody's perfect but expect perfection" -NF

    • @crystalmarie2448
      @crystalmarie2448 4 роки тому +3

      @@xoxsaimaxox9117 yuupp. "Nobody's perfect but also treat me perfectly"- they want you to cut them slack for not being perfect but not cut ANYONE ELSE SLACK lol

  • @CJAmara
    @CJAmara 4 роки тому +2821

    The sad thing about this situation is that people are talking about two white women having an argument instead of the micro aggressions that are behind this whole thing.

  • @Sabreigha
    @Sabreigha 4 роки тому +6092

    as a black woman can I say...this entire situation was stupid, over blown, and absolutely unconstructive...

    • @dummy1004
      @dummy1004 4 роки тому +635

      especially if they just gon make it about themselves anyway, like srsly move tf on

    • @dayoolorunnisola162
      @dayoolorunnisola162 4 роки тому +103

      Honestly 🙄

    • @Ella-el3lt
      @Ella-el3lt 4 роки тому +241

      Agreed. None of this needed to be a thing.

    • @erikapogorzelska9065
      @erikapogorzelska9065 4 роки тому +61

      agreed and also thank u for commenting cuz i just subscribed :-) i've been trying to find new creators to watch in the beauty community!

    • @lozzythecoolone
      @lozzythecoolone 4 роки тому +531

      The only thing I think that matters is Hannah addressing her audience bc of Angelika's past comments. I personally feel like if anyone made this big, it's Angelika. Because she's the one who actually hurt people and then turned it into a shitty friend story. This would've been so much cleaner if Angelika just apologised to the BIPOC communities she's hurt.

  • @jasonmack2569
    @jasonmack2569 4 роки тому +2423

    "What's this all about?"
    "Two white women got into an argument while three gay men stirred the pot."
    "OK, but what's it all about."
    "Well I think I heard something about racism, but nobody is sure."

  • @tayter_chip
    @tayter_chip 4 роки тому +1542

    ok but why has this situation devolved into “Hannah is a bad friend” when it started because of Angelika’s racism/micro aggressions towards POC 🤔

    • @crownofeunoia1907
      @crownofeunoia1907 4 роки тому +86

      Because people who tried to forced that issue are uncomfortable about actually dealing with racism or not care about combating racism. Like the “bad friend” spiel is a bunch of crap when you realized that Hannah has a lot of friend and it originated from the Mean Girls Drama Channels because Hannah embarrassed them because she wasn’t okay with Rich Lux’s racism like they were.
      People hate on Hannah because her words aren’t empathy platitudes. She actually try to follow up on them.

    • @tayter_chip
      @tayter_chip 4 роки тому +64

      @@crownofeunoia1907 you’re totally right.. calling people out on racism is uncomfortable and people see it as an attack instead of an opportunity to learn and better themselves.. it sucks that Hannah is being labeled as the bad guy here

    • @EnchantingWings1
      @EnchantingWings1 4 роки тому +12

      I haven't commented on anything about this thing, as I feel like it's not my place to accept apologies that aren't for me. I'm white, not trans (but part of the LGBT community) and feel it's not my place to be accepting those apologies from anyone.
      I admit, I have had drama of my own earlier on in the year with some people from my uni's LGBT community because I knew very little and trans issues and history, and had no idea of how hard they're digging for their rights. I only became aware that some people are trans at the LGBT pride event in 2018. Ever since that time, I've been talking with my trans friends and reading more about trans issues where I am and globally.
      I have also had little idea of the struggle BIPOC people go through until I went to my university's unconscious bias training, though have been on receiving end of microaggression and know how it affects people. I've been reading about BIPOC experiences and educating myself more.
      It's something I hope more people do, educate others and themselves. And I hope that Angelika does take that path and educate herself. And the microaggression and racism education side of things should be what we want from her and give her ways of learning about these issues.

    • @tayter_chip
      @tayter_chip 4 роки тому +6

      @@EnchantingWings1 i love how you said you took the drama you were in as an opportunity to learn and educate yourself! That’s exactly how we should behaving and it’s admirable to be able to self reflect in that way.
      Obviously it’s impossible for someone to know everything about LGBT or BIPOC issues, but when we’re called out on problematic things we do/say we should be open to learning and changing instead of digging our heels in and refusing to acknowledge how our behavior could be harmful.

    • @EnchantingWings1
      @EnchantingWings1 4 роки тому +4

      @@tayter_chip my mum and I have those discussions all the time about current events, especially that where we come from is a horrible place to be at the moment due to LGBTQ, women's health and racism issues. We talk about it all openly and my mum has always had an open mind to people. Plus, I think living in Scotland has opened us up to a more diverse culture.
      Education when we mess up is important, as is self reflection. Especially on such important issues. It's how I wish people were. Open to discussion, debate and learning and self reflection.

  • @12emonie
    @12emonie 4 роки тому +1595

    This really feels like it was a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. You were set up to lose.

  • @sheena4656
    @sheena4656 4 роки тому +2599

    Being a "bad friend" is, and never will be, as bad as racist behaviour.

    • @leonardo.diCATio
      @leonardo.diCATio 4 роки тому +97

      This deserves so much more attention, it's insane how many people thought that being a bad friend was the problem here.

    • @missrelaxed3872
      @missrelaxed3872 4 роки тому +6

      Truth

    • @andrearobyn3701
      @andrearobyn3701 4 роки тому +65

      It's also infuriating that these channels talking about it care more about friendship beef and drama over Angelika's racist micro-aggressions. One is clearly worse, and the narrative should stay focused on the actual issue here.

    • @user-us7py1cy2k
      @user-us7py1cy2k 4 роки тому +3

      Exactly

    • @anitrahooper5031
      @anitrahooper5031 4 роки тому +13

      Most people would rather change the discussion, deflect, protect, & otherwise avoided discussing racism or their role in perpetuating or upholding it.

  • @julelune
    @julelune 4 роки тому +777

    the fact that this drama broke out over a video ranking 2020 dramas... I had to laugh a lil

    • @dianag0rdon
      @dianag0rdon 4 роки тому +5

      lmaoo right

    • @gurvirj479
      @gurvirj479 4 роки тому +28

      Samee, eventually if you talk about others mistakes/wrongdoings it comes back to you. It’s just negative energy 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @sophieladanyi568
      @sophieladanyi568 4 роки тому +6

      It is actually pretty hilarious

    • @kelceyc1509
      @kelceyc1509 4 роки тому +3

      Right 🙄 Some people have been locked in their homes too long. They should of never ever of brought this public. 🥱🥱🥱

    • @Zarahunfiltered
      @Zarahunfiltered 4 роки тому +1

      @@gurvirj479 I agree

  • @anastasiagirl1342
    @anastasiagirl1342 4 роки тому +916

    Am I the only one who finds it a bit ridiculous that they’re still upset about her not going to a party?

    • @CJAmara
      @CJAmara 4 роки тому +65

      It’s so childish. Completely and utterly childish. Hannah is not compelled to attend any party

    • @blessedbrebre
      @blessedbrebre 3 роки тому +17

      They are mean girls quite literally.

    • @lindamorph694
      @lindamorph694 3 роки тому +6

      Their goal was to recruit sg bc she's popular

  • @jessicalugo2827
    @jessicalugo2827 4 роки тому +451

    I still don’t understand why they’re still angry at an invitation after a year. They should grow up.

    • @02puwina
      @02puwina 4 роки тому +54

      right, like move the fuck on. i think they’re just using that as an excuse to be negative towards her

    • @billyt8868
      @billyt8868 4 роки тому +48

      they aren’t. they need drama and they are emotionally stunted. the biggest issue is their ability to trick viewers into buying into their nonsense

    • @skyline_decay
      @skyline_decay 4 роки тому +20

      I think they're all extremely sensitive people, just with how they react when anyone gives them criticism. But that's their shit to work on, its not everyone else's responsibility to cater to their fragile egos

    • @annme_87
      @annme_87 4 роки тому +15

      Right? It couldn't have been that fun to attend since here we are a year later only talking about the girl who didn't go...

    • @MarlaSingersCancer
      @MarlaSingersCancer 4 роки тому +11

      @@skyline_decay It's not sensitivity. That's arrogance and being a bad person. They hate being questioned. They can't stand having to apologise or admit mistakes. If you're sensitive, you admit mistakes and care about them. You don't behave like these guys.

  • @TimiSterr
    @TimiSterr 4 роки тому +382

    I feel like you found yourself in the middle of a situation where no matter what you do - some people will be upset with you. And I just want to say that it's OK - this is life. And I truly feel no matter what you say, people will twist it however they want. And marginalized communities being used as "weapons" in this "she said-she said" situation is absolutely disgusting.

    • @laurabuchanan2180
      @laurabuchanan2180 4 роки тому +14

      Yes, (1) drama channels wanting petty revenge against (2) a non-conventional female creator (who holds herself the exceptionally high standards) find an opportunity when (3) a young female creator (aiming to hold herself to a similarly high standard) is caught "learning on the job." Marginalized people ((4)BIPOC and (5)trans communities) become the weapon of choice.
      We DON'T have a widely accepted procedure for dismantling white fragility YET, so of course it is a mess when it is attempted. The 2 women are hurt, the marginalized communities are hurt, and the drama channels get what they want, for now.
      As much as this was a sh*tshow, and Black women are commenting that this is all too much, when the BLM protests were happening this summer, a common refrain was "white people need to learn to talk to each other about race." Yes it is a mess because it hasn't been done in earnestly in large scale before, but I appreciate both women for speaking honestly and apparently listening to each other and learning. Don’t let the drama channels trick you into believing these women are as small as they are.

    • @Melissaonline22
      @Melissaonline22 4 роки тому +5

      I agree with this too, that sometimes, someone’s always going to be upset. I just appreciate that she was thorough in discussing her thought process in her actions and also to still be open to more growth and conversation. I hope that Hannah said her piece for herself, feels like she acknowledged what she needed to, and can put other people’s opinions in a box...that she did this for her own mental well-being and no one else, I guess?

  • @ritiaggarwal995
    @ritiaggarwal995 4 роки тому +1063

    Wait why are we holding smaller creators to higher standards than bigger creators? Didn’t James Charles JUST collaborate with Kylie like a month ago? Y’all really selective

    • @daisybutinhertennisoutfit
      @daisybutinhertennisoutfit 4 роки тому +46

      this.

    • @sararinaldi3660
      @sararinaldi3660 4 роки тому +17

      👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @gis3ll3ramir3z99
      @gis3ll3ramir3z99 4 роки тому +8

      💯💯

    • @smize4652
      @smize4652 4 роки тому +7

      👏🏽👏🏽

    • @mariella2884
      @mariella2884 4 роки тому +91

      Oh but remember James was already called out and so now he’s immune. Sure he didn’t actually take real accountability for falsely promoting a product to his fans for help from a company, but who cares right can’t ever address anything about can we.
      Yeah, I completely agree it is all selective and I don’t know how people don’t see how damaging it is to real changes.

  • @jaceearly3393
    @jaceearly3393 3 роки тому +312

    As a transman, I very much respect how she admitted that she doesn't actually know what transphobia is like, and therefore apologized for the statement. Thank you

  • @kittykat5197
    @kittykat5197 4 роки тому +2811

    OMG, this whole thing is soooo over the top. I’m a black woman and I’m NOT offended by what went down. As allies you both are going to make mistakes. You don’t have to make movies and write novels about the smallest things. Acknowledge, apologize, do better, and move on. The more both of you talk, ironically, the more it feels like it’s just about the two of you and THAT’S a microaggression!

    • @Mikayla_Games24
      @Mikayla_Games24 4 роки тому +251

      They're both acting on microaggression so idk why people are putting Smokey on a pedestal? Smokey isn't and clean/perfect little princess either. I just find it funny that people are only pointing fingers at Angelika when Smokey done very similar things and is doing it as we speak

    • @cherri.likethefruit
      @cherri.likethefruit 4 роки тому +155

      exactly, to me this was a minor instance. an apology to whoever is offended would suffice but going into all this petty back and forth about a bad friend and yaddayadda is sooo unnecessary. i like both their channels but angelika was dead wrong dragging hannah into her apology video. i don’t think hannah should’ve responded but i probably would’ve done the same tbh lol

    • @naomida22
      @naomida22 4 роки тому +230

      @@Mikayla_Games24 idk much about smokey's micro aggressions but the thing is Hannah is showing growth and understanding while Angelika is downplaying the situation and her actions. People are allowed to grow and make mistakes but their actions after the fact should be what matters

    • @nelle1899
      @nelle1899 4 роки тому +66

      well said. the drama is overshadowing the real issue here

    • @fifaashfaq
      @fifaashfaq 4 роки тому +169

      @@cherri.likethefruit tbh people were asking Hannah to address this. And this whole "shes a bad friend" and "snake" was started by nick, dustin and rich.

  • @FirstFallSnow
    @FirstFallSnow 4 роки тому +488

    Maybe unpopular opinion; but I think SG had to address this publicly. The drama in August was public and all of the comments on on the video and the tweets were public. If she didn't address it or was vague it would look like she's ignoring the situation.
    Anyone, ANYONE, can be micro-aggresive to a group you're not in no matter how hard you try not to be. I've been in an interracial relationship for years and I'm know I've said things that weren't correct, and they have said things about my sexuality that wasn't correct. What happens then? We apologise and talk about it.
    Understand that no one is perfect, but getting defensive and deflecting is the worst possible way to react. Is Angelika a racist? I doubt it. Did she handle this situation in a way that makes her look that way, or at the very least like an immature brat? Yes.
    But she's 20, and I hope in a few years she'll look back on this and cringe.

    • @spectre9340
      @spectre9340 4 роки тому +9

      Do you mind explaining to me what the August thing was and what Angelika's role in it was? I'm really confused and I worry that I'll find the wrong information if I try to look it up myself

    • @jaciebennett7496
      @jaciebennett7496 4 роки тому +9

      i think hannah should have waited until she spoke with angelika to post ANYTHING.

    • @estlee1583
      @estlee1583 4 роки тому +36

      Being 20 is no longer an acceptable excuse. She should have addressed this properly instead of taking all the wrong turns that she did. It takes effort to make the mistakes that she did.
      That being said, forgiveness is still on the table if she shows true growth. I believe she's too close to the situation right now to see how wrong she was. We'll see though, maybe 2021 will bring about positive change.

    • @FirstFallSnow
      @FirstFallSnow 4 роки тому +18

      @@spectre9340 from what I understand, someone photoshopped a pic of Kylie Jenner to have the caption "dark skin girl". After being exposed as a fake, the discussion was that it was a good fake because of often the Kardashian/Jenner's exploit African American culture. AO covered the issue, but in a way that seemed to gloss over the bigger issue of exploitation/ grifting of AA culture in defense of Kylie. When later asked to clarify her statements on twitter and in a livestream, she blocked people instead of addressing it. I think she does eventually clarify as part of another video that all she meant was that Kylie being photoshopped isn't a big deal, not that black fishing and exploitation in general wasn't a big deal. But too little too late, many BiPOC had already unsubbed

    • @spectre9340
      @spectre9340 4 роки тому +2

      @@FirstFallSnow ooooh okay thank you

  • @thehornoftheunicorn
    @thehornoftheunicorn 4 роки тому +1979

    I think it’s all getting blown out of proportion. You spoke your truth and held yourself accountable. That’s all you can do. Thank you for this!

    • @FeoshiaHDavis
      @FeoshiaHDavis 4 роки тому +12

      Agree

    • @HalimaSJW
      @HalimaSJW 4 роки тому +73

      Getting blown way out of proportion... like why did drama channels make videos?? Why was it so weird that she didn’t support a racist?? Like wtf.

    • @thehornoftheunicorn
      @thehornoftheunicorn 4 роки тому +35

      @@HalimaSJW exactly. I feel like people just want to jump on anything to make content or have something to talk about. Also, being quarantined during a pandemic isn’t helping the situation either. This is ridiculous

    • @nanamiharuka3269
      @nanamiharuka3269 4 роки тому +28

      I agree, I thought the community tab post was a sufficient apology and explanation, because so far we’ve seen Smoky be nothing but honest and accountable. I feel so bad that Angelika and others blew this up

    • @theo278
      @theo278 4 роки тому +20

      @@nanamiharuka3269 Angelika's also turned this from her own mistake onto SG for being a bad friend which isn't the problem. SG community tab post was fine it didn't say anything offensive. She dropper her explanation and that should've been the end of it.

  • @StephanieHarlowe
    @StephanieHarlowe 4 роки тому +3491

    This is why I have no friends

    • @myab6550
      @myab6550 4 роки тому +20

      Same smh

    • @sobalia
      @sobalia 4 роки тому +44

      Omg I love u hi

    • @sarab3417
      @sarab3417 4 роки тому +68

      Lmao stephaniiie. Maybe it’s why you’d rather read about dead people 🙃

    • @thesovgc
      @thesovgc 4 роки тому +2

      Fr

    • @catieeclaire
      @catieeclaire 4 роки тому +8

      stephanie lmao

  • @bethanygrace5198
    @bethanygrace5198 4 роки тому +1457

    I appreciate that she says “I feel/I felt” instead of trying to state them as fact. This is also the first video I’ve ever watched of hers and I would like to say that this seems very genuine and I appreciate the honesty and not showing DMs without permission.

    • @peachxtaehyung
      @peachxtaehyung 4 роки тому +52

      Yes I love Hannah she is very genuine and careful about how she talks about things etc. And she's very careful to not offend people and she don't stand for transphobia, homophobia, racism, etc etc

    • @ProbablyCathy
      @ProbablyCathy 4 роки тому +70

      I am of the opinion that your read on Hannah is correct. I've been watching her from the get and I have seen a very consistent, thoughtful, ethical person who knows that she's not perfect and is willing to correct or adjust accordingly.

    • @peachxtaehyung
      @peachxtaehyung 4 роки тому +7

      @@ProbablyCathy yes completely agree

    • @neveralone1618
      @neveralone1618 4 роки тому +34

      Using “I feel/felt” statements is therapy 101 skills. My therapist taught me in the first few sessions that when one uses “I feel” statements, it’s harder to argue with it because people are allowed to feel how they feel.

    • @ironicallyxiconic
      @ironicallyxiconic 4 роки тому +12

      Exactly! While she is a human, therefore is inherently flawed (because we all are) I have been following her for a while now, && have come to the conclusion in pretty much every video of hers that I've watched, that she is just all around a genuinely good person. I love SG, && love how she consistently represents herself && her views. Just an amazingly, sweet, genuine person. ❤️❤️❤️

  • @ressurant
    @ressurant 4 роки тому +730

    I iust want to say what a great mother you have. Kudos to her for being critical of her own child and pointing it out to you in order to better you. Too many people have too many yes men around them and that is why they never learn how to grow and change.

    • @Deneph
      @Deneph 4 роки тому +1

      Yes!! Was thinking this exact thing

  • @caseycalloway7956
    @caseycalloway7956 4 роки тому +435

    I would rather have a friend that held me accountable so I can be the best version of myself than to be surrounded by enablers of bad behavior.

    • @MaryElizabeth611
      @MaryElizabeth611 3 роки тому +13

      Exactly! I despise the rhetoric that being a good friend means supporting a person no matter what they do.

  • @_arod1313
    @_arod1313 3 роки тому +494

    I really loved Angelika’s channel until she continuously showed that she is unwilling to accept or address criticism even though she constantly calls out other creators for not taking accountability and being problematic

    • @caro-lel
      @caro-lel 3 роки тому +32

      yep to this day nothing has changed on her channel or in how she presents herself

    • @olive92
      @olive92 3 роки тому +14

      yeah, she's super manipulative in how she presents criticism of her to her audience and hides behind her white tears

    • @r3allyr3agan
      @r3allyr3agan 2 роки тому +7

      @Japanese baby I really enjoy her content where is all this hate coming from?

  • @laceospades
    @laceospades 4 роки тому +322

    "why don't we just encourage people who have a public platform to be better"
    This.

  • @cheeseheadbrownpants2819
    @cheeseheadbrownpants2819 4 роки тому +2430

    This would not have gotten this big if Nick and Dustin didn’t stir the pot and try to create a bigger drama.

    • @kenyadavenport5822
      @kenyadavenport5822 4 роки тому +33

      Yes!

    • @kiaraeshi
      @kiaraeshi 4 роки тому +190

      they can’t imagine putting marginalized communities before their peers

    • @viconyoutube
      @viconyoutube 4 роки тому +95

      Literally that was the weirdest part of all of this

    • @cearamaire
      @cearamaire 4 роки тому +72

      Exactly!! Idk why I used to like them

    • @BeautyBeatdown
      @BeautyBeatdown 4 роки тому +27

      Oh my god right? And they've made many multiple videos now about it, it seems!

  • @vanessarenee3959
    @vanessarenee3959 4 роки тому +667

    I think the actual problem in this situation was lost between the manipulation and the toxicity of drama channels and the false narratives they like to push. Sounds like they just needed a scapegoat to distract us from the fact that THEY are the bad people, not you.

    • @hellomoto5870
      @hellomoto5870 4 роки тому +3

      It definitely feels this way

    • @shaleamontanez4591
      @shaleamontanez4591 4 роки тому +6

      Ppl just wanna focus on these two white creators when it's not about them in all reality.

    • @ericabassi7728
      @ericabassi7728 4 роки тому

      I totally agree. And it makes me sad that Hanah feels the need to even address all this bs, when anyone who sincerely wants the truth can see whats been going on.

    • @cavlizzy
      @cavlizzy 4 роки тому +2

      When there is no BIG drama going on.... these drama channels have to latch on to any "little" drama they can find to put up content. Disgusting!

  • @lovelylinds
    @lovelylinds 4 роки тому +870

    Calling out your friends when they do something wrong IS being a good friend.

    • @ilisten2thecureandcry
      @ilisten2thecureandcry 3 роки тому +5

      this !!!

    • @kaylawashere1
      @kaylawashere1 3 роки тому +28

      Exactly!! Being a good friend doesn’t mean kissing ass.

    • @ErisIsAnAbomination
      @ErisIsAnAbomination 2 місяці тому

      This exactly. If anything, the friends I value and care for the most are the ones who are willing to call my ass out if I say or do something unfair. I don’t want to get deluded by yes-men.

  • @ABCEggplant
    @ABCEggplant 4 роки тому +582

    "it is okay to learn new information and change your opinion" is such a hard truth more people need to accept.

  • @christamarie3512
    @christamarie3512 4 роки тому +621

    You’re probably better off not having gone to the party and keeping more to yourself. You see what happens when you make friends on UA-cam.

    • @brittanyk6651
      @brittanyk6651 4 роки тому +7

      THIS

    • @KN-hg2nv
      @KN-hg2nv 4 роки тому +6

      Ikr I would've straight up ghosted them tbh

    • @christamarie3512
      @christamarie3512 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah I just got home from work now I’m going to unsubscribe to all their channels. I try to ignore the bs and just enjoy their silly drama or whatever but I can’t ignore them trying to destroy Hannah and her channel. She has more integrity in her big toe than any of them.

    • @bayleesmith2803
      @bayleesmith2803 4 роки тому

      She shouldn’t have to feel like she can’t talk to other creators or be around other creators because of a bad experience.

    • @christamarie3512
      @christamarie3512 4 роки тому

      @@bayleesmith2803 that’s not what I said at all

  • @ajqueen31
    @ajqueen31 4 роки тому +374

    _and the candle of the day is_ ... oh wait, it's not that type of video.

    • @smokey_glow
      @smokey_glow  4 роки тому +93

      This made me laugh 😂 I promise it’ll be back to Glowmas tomorrow

    • @drawingwithizzy1956
      @drawingwithizzy1956 4 роки тому +12

      @@smokey_glow hi Hanna sorry this happening. Have a great day

    • @jule8687
      @jule8687 4 роки тому

      hahhahahahahahahahahahahaahaha😂😂😂

    • @maddiew1948
      @maddiew1948 4 роки тому +2

      I zoomed in and it looks like it’s Chocolate Grahams :)

  • @mishmaoulmoustahil9648
    @mishmaoulmoustahil9648 4 роки тому +692

    Nick, Dustin and Rich are the holy trinity of negativity and bullying

    • @vanessarayfox
      @vanessarayfox 4 роки тому +19

      Their truly the worst.

    • @tugger
      @tugger 4 роки тому +10

      @@vanessarayfox hate to be that bitch but they're
      '="a" they're = they are
      apostrophes are there for vowel hops

    • @billyt8868
      @billyt8868 4 роки тому +27

      @@tugger omg stfu

    • @lindamorph694
      @lindamorph694 3 роки тому +8

      Petty Paige too

    • @synonymous_
      @synonymous_ 3 роки тому +7

      @@tugger Is it necessary? Is it helpful? Is it kind?

  • @smartlikewoah
    @smartlikewoah 4 роки тому +634

    Wasn't this supposed to be about the microagressions that took place? Idk why so many people made this more about who's a bad friend and less about the actual problem at hand. I don't know if I agree 100% with the way Hannah handled things, however it's important to hold your friends accountable. But despite that, the situation between these 2 women has been blown way out of proportion. People are taking this into a direction it doesn't need to go in.

    • @craziestcat5767
      @craziestcat5767 4 роки тому +13

      Angelika already addressed the accusations about her. Its just how Hannah handled it that many people misunderstood I guess?

    • @carolynwisser3322
      @carolynwisser3322 4 роки тому +52

      I think people would rather talk about who’s a bad friend than their fave who has done micro aggressions and holding them accountable.

    • @crownofeunoia1907
      @crownofeunoia1907 4 роки тому +44

      @@craziestcat5767 Angelika didn’t, which is the point. Watch the video on Angelika and you will exactly know what she did and why all of her apologies were inadequate.

    • @itbelikethat5480
      @itbelikethat5480 4 роки тому +12

      Ok, but in this video, the amount of time she spent on discussing issues about BIPOC is disappointing. Hannah was like "the important thing is the marginalized groups getting hurt", meanwhile proceed to spend the majority of her video talking about other things.......

    • @ChiaRiaRei
      @ChiaRiaRei 4 роки тому +5

      this has nothing to do with your comment, but your name and pic gives me life

  • @viana6240
    @viana6240 4 роки тому +333

    I hate that this whole ordeal became “hannah vs angelika” and the micro aggressions were forgotten! The real issue is still there and it’s getting lost between this “drama”

  • @MsKatRivera
    @MsKatRivera 4 роки тому +2193

    The whole party thing is so weird. I don’t understand why they were so offended by that.

    • @cearamaire
      @cearamaire 4 роки тому +230

      They acted like she kicked their dog 😭 so dramatic

    • @lobstermacncheesefarts3989
      @lobstermacncheesefarts3989 4 роки тому +20

      @@cearamaire yessss exactly.

    • @Simone-nu1zd
      @Simone-nu1zd 4 роки тому +95

      A stupid party....behaving like petty little children.

    • @mnemeikyu9299
      @mnemeikyu9299 4 роки тому +134

      Ego is a hell of a drug.

    • @PeachReverie
      @PeachReverie 4 роки тому +80

      Right! A whole year later and they haven't dropped it,

  • @aniyamarie8370
    @aniyamarie8370 4 роки тому +659

    Bailey Sarian once said, “Get better hobbies, people” and I stand with her on that.
    I shouldn’t be surprised this is the stance Angelika and the others have taken because this is a common trait between white UA-camrs like them. They make offensive comments to the marginalized groups and rather than be held accountable for them, they turn the situation into something the world shouldn’t be focused on.
    I’ll admit: I was disappointed to see a few of your responses defending her. However, there was a part of me that believed Angelika hadn’t told you the whole story as she wanted you to continue thinking of her as a saint. The only person that “threw a friend under the bus” was her as she watched people attack you and refused to apologize for what she said to the BIPOC community. What you did was take the proper steps in practicing white allyship and I’m happy.

    • @marjanteraa7654
      @marjanteraa7654 3 роки тому +1

      Angelica is polish. So she cant be a racist, she isn't

    • @aniyamarie8370
      @aniyamarie8370 3 роки тому +44

      @@marjanteraa7654 I’m going to need you to come back to me again when you understand the difference between race (the color of someone’s skin) and nationality (the place where someone is from).

    • @marjanteraa7654
      @marjanteraa7654 3 роки тому

      I AM sorry. I'm dutch so some words seems the same to me. It is not my intentie to onderschat these things and u realy do understand the differents

    • @r3allyr3agan
      @r3allyr3agan 2 роки тому

      @@aniyamarie8370 okay but what did she do or say that was racist. I've watched her for a long time and I've never seen her say anything racist.

  • @lizzynieboer4441
    @lizzynieboer4441 4 роки тому +1254

    Unpopulair opinion: everyone who starts a “drama” channel is bound to find themselves in drama.

    • @stephanief9240
      @stephanief9240 4 роки тому +18

      ALWAYS!

    • @CJAmara
      @CJAmara 4 роки тому +36

      Yep. Drama attracts drama

    • @cgl-osl_
      @cgl-osl_ 4 роки тому +64

      I guess this is true, talking about others and trying to set a standard/keeping eachother accountable does set a bar that you are then expect to never miss, even though we are all human, and sometimes fudge up

    • @frankeewodziak6359
      @frankeewodziak6359 4 роки тому +6

      It is always the drama channels

    • @chelsealiddypivtorak9282
      @chelsealiddypivtorak9282 4 роки тому +7

      Not an opinion, a FACT haha (unfortunately!)

  • @kelsey2333
    @kelsey2333 4 роки тому +617

    Dustin attacks anyone who gives him constructive criticism on his videos. Tacky and immature

    • @billyt8868
      @billyt8868 4 роки тому +35

      dustin is disgustingly insecure. it’s pathetic.

    • @AmberLecuyer
      @AmberLecuyer 4 роки тому +14

      He is vile.

    • @anoniemmoet8984
      @anoniemmoet8984 4 роки тому +1

      @@billyt8868 and dustin is bottom started relationship with Nick who is bottom too 😂😂😂😂 karma already hit them bad

    • @Princessbubblegum567
      @Princessbubblegum567 4 роки тому +2

      He’s so mean and is such a bully.

    • @BeybladeFables
      @BeybladeFables 4 роки тому +3

      He’s on the level of onision

  • @Rukiya
    @Rukiya 4 роки тому +262

    This was a well put together video. I personally feel this situation is getting blown into something bigger than it actually is. But thank you for addressing everything and taking accountability.

  • @skeletonjock3685
    @skeletonjock3685 4 роки тому +470

    Everyone in that drama channel friend group really is just like “lux said the N word but he’s changed!!!! He’s not racist anymore he’s different!!!” then continue to drag Hannah for being rude about not going to a holiday party a whole year after it happened. Cringe. Anyway stan bettering yourself and growing as a person

    • @Lauren-hs5ht
      @Lauren-hs5ht 3 роки тому +3

      Exactly, especially when he was like ugh why are you calling me out for this, I’m sorry I guess. Like NO apology worth listening to. Fuck dude, so gross

    • @chantalsmells
      @chantalsmells 3 роки тому +6

      this is petty paige’s mentality, she’s friends with rich lux and her husband is his manager so she won’t criticize him, but she hates Hannah for not defending Paige when she inserted herself on that live and got tons of backlash, later calling Hannah a performative activist because she didn’t defend Paige(a black woman)…….ok🤣

  • @jenniferr5925
    @jenniferr5925 4 роки тому +498

    Tbh I don't see how pinning the comment about looking into the situation was you being shady towards Angelika

    • @stellabella3337
      @stellabella3337 4 роки тому +24

      I just think that if they were friends she could have assisted Angelika in righting her wrongs without immediately putting her on blast. Just imo tho

    • @katekursive1370
      @katekursive1370 4 роки тому +8

      Same. A very absurd, insecure statement.

    • @nehajoshi4089
      @nehajoshi4089 4 роки тому +35

      @@stellabella3337 i mean from what i got from the video, it was after 2 WHOLE days that she took the video down. and from what it seems like - SG’s convos with AO in private were very defensive on AO’s side and led to nowhere. so ukw i dont really blame hannah

    • @leahmarie112
      @leahmarie112 4 роки тому +5

      I think the shade was in the community post tbh. It was a lot of “I’ve heard” and “people are telling me” and “rumors” and apologizing to viewers while also saying “I don’t have any proof”. It was weird.

    • @musesx9
      @musesx9 4 роки тому +2

      I felt the same way.

  • @Monica-fs2mr
    @Monica-fs2mr 4 роки тому +558

    Rich Dustin and Nick.. ooof they’re so biased and mean / immature

    • @tanesharichelle
      @tanesharichelle 4 роки тому +51

      Exactly everything they say is invalidated by their bias and immaturity. They never see the wrong in their friends

    • @lobstermacncheesefarts3989
      @lobstermacncheesefarts3989 4 роки тому +43

      Seriously they are the mean girls. I have just recently been watching them more regularly and am already over it. Their snake comments and videos and mostly being upset about a Christmas party above all else really sent me off. 😔

    • @pianoluver1222
      @pianoluver1222 4 роки тому +28

      I barely know these dudes, but I’ve watched only a couple of their videos and didn’t like them. Mean girls definitely suits them.

    • @kiaraeshi
      @kiaraeshi 4 роки тому +8

      @@lobstermacncheesefarts3989 literally!! I was actually watching them recently for entertainment but the more I watched the more I felt like they don't rly have anything concrete to bring to the table

    • @kyzerbobyzer7053
      @kyzerbobyzer7053 4 роки тому +7

      I lost all respect for them after this video I’m unsubscribing from those 3 🤮🤮

  • @shoogur3920
    @shoogur3920 4 роки тому +479

    1 hour and 3 minutes in, I don’t think Hannah tells us what the candle of the day is.

    • @stellabella3337
      @stellabella3337 4 роки тому +35

      STOPPPPPPPPP OMG 😂😂 And I tried so hard to read the label too

    • @MS-hx3ye
      @MS-hx3ye 4 роки тому +58

      If it helps, it's chocolate grahams from bath and body works.

    • @roflbaha
      @roflbaha 4 роки тому +9

      @@MS-hx3ye thank you this truly does help

    • @hereforthebuffoonery
      @hereforthebuffoonery 4 роки тому +7

      straight to da business

    • @ellesmelly
      @ellesmelly 4 роки тому +1

      @@MS-hx3ye you're a treasure thank u for your service

  • @jennifersaunders3622
    @jennifersaunders3622 4 роки тому +720

    Maybe a way to improve just in general in the future is talking w black women, trans people, or disabled people about issues concerning them, to be able to have their opinions in your videos? Kind of like including Manny in his evolution video.

    • @alykatttt
      @alykatttt 3 роки тому +30

      @Domi B wouldn’t “giving them exposure” be a positive thing? giving them exposure would essentially be giving marginalized groups a platform to speak on issues that affect them

    • @anyalaASMR
      @anyalaASMR 3 роки тому +9

      @@alykatttt I think they meant more exposure to hate, but I also agree with you.

  • @xx-gv5ky
    @xx-gv5ky 4 роки тому +759

    Really unfortunate to see people in these comments more worried that "youtubers are tearing each other down due to PC culture" than the fact that BIPOC and people from other marginalized communities will always be spoken over and not taken seriously because people are more worried about public perception rather than doing the right thing.
    I'm glad that Hannah managed to address this situation properly after her initial less than desirable handling of it but I hope this serves as a lesson to everyone that friends are not exempt from criticism or being checked for offensive, microaggressive behavior.
    Very unfortunate that Angelika waited this long to make a proper public statement and that it took something of this scale (basically something that threatened her reputation on a large scale lol) to make it worth her time to address. Though I don't know if she's grown much from this if the tweets I saw her liking a few days ago (in real-time might I add) that made it clear she viewed this as petty drama rather than her failing to address the communities she hurt says anything.

    • @jasminelambert3753
      @jasminelambert3753 4 роки тому +15

      Yeah I saw Angelika quoting a girl and tweeting screenshots at her calling her hypocritical when the girl was calling Angelika out for being a hypocrite. That’s a really bad look. That girl in Twitter being a hypocrite doesn’t take away the fact that Angelika was being one too. I think she needs to grow up a little bit and take ownership of her actions and her words, especially when she does mess up.

    • @melanie_margaret
      @melanie_margaret 4 роки тому +17

      @@jasminelambert3753 there’s also the matter of angelika literally calling out dixie d’amelio for using trisha’s past racist actions as a “gotcha” moment, then proceeds to do that to diana herself :/

    • @Gjigfvniyf
      @Gjigfvniyf 4 роки тому

      🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

    • @chantalsmells
      @chantalsmells 4 роки тому +8

      @@LeonieJMerry nick snider, Dustin, rich lux, Adam and others dragged SG on Twitter and some made videos but they weren’t at all worried about the micro aggressions angelika took part in, that’s the point :)

    • @kassiaugustine8745
      @kassiaugustine8745 4 роки тому

      So I have a quick question.....what does bipoc stand for? I kinda have a clue (assuming POC means person of color) but Idk what the bi stands for? Is it biracial person of color? I keep seeing the acronym but I’m having a hard time understanding what it stands for?

  • @araceligonzalez3632
    @araceligonzalez3632 4 роки тому +1451

    Hannah It would be nice if you collaborated with more BIPOC commentators or influencers in general. That way you can actually promote what you stand for.

  • @sadcap
    @sadcap 4 роки тому +206

    If your friends don't tell you when you're acting poorly, they're not your friends.

    • @reyeshdez4270
      @reyeshdez4270 4 роки тому +7

      rumors about Angelika were not true so she just went with the hate band wagon so I got respect that at all🤥🤥🤥

    • @maddiegrayce288
      @maddiegrayce288 4 роки тому +6

      I agree, but there was no proof of the allegations against Angelika

    • @elainevm
      @elainevm 4 роки тому +12

      @@reyeshdez4270 uhh I don’t know if y’all saw what angelika said not only about the kardashians, but also about people with conditions (seizures specifically). I don’t get why y’all are still painting this narrative “angelika did nothing wrong cause there’s no proof” when angelika herself admitted the things she said were messed up. Also, if y’all have been following angelika on Twitter, she’s been liking tweets/comments absolving/defending her since august, which was what made things even bigger cause she didn’t come off as genuine.

  • @molly9024
    @molly9024 4 роки тому +235

    Angelika’s explanation isn’t for me, I’m not part of the trans or BIPOC community. But her going into Hannah’s character about things totally unrelated to the situation at hand really left a bad taste in my mouth.

  • @MsKatRivera
    @MsKatRivera 4 роки тому +603

    Rich Lux has some nerve talking about anyone’s makeup when his lashes are always flying off.

    • @kimberlywelch4198
      @kimberlywelch4198 4 роки тому +9

      It's a running joke, it's the wonky lash, he doesn't actually think he's wearing them correctly!

    • @caseyw.6550
      @caseyw.6550 4 роки тому +16

      He's so insecure. Sad.

    • @Posh_and_Rooted
      @Posh_and_Rooted 4 роки тому +9

      Babyyy listen 😂😂😂 his lashes tear my nerves up 😂😂😂

    • @gabrielaaaaa76
      @gabrielaaaaa76 4 роки тому +2

      lmaooooo truuuuu

    • @Lacey0312
      @Lacey0312 4 роки тому +1

      This made me snort 😂😂

  • @autumnroy
    @autumnroy 4 роки тому +1123

    Dustin, Rich Lux, and Nick Snider are being awful about this. It’s very obvious that they haven’t liked you from the beginning and they were just WAITING for this. They don’t even care who is “right” or “wrong”, they just want an excuse to “cancel” you.

    • @Scar-jq2co
      @Scar-jq2co 4 роки тому +24

      True. There are just people who hate on you no matter what you do. So who cares about them.

    • @makenna5883
      @makenna5883 4 роки тому +27

      They are all fake and toxic so whatever.

    • @drewberriesandcream
      @drewberriesandcream 4 роки тому +39

      dustin is literally acting like a high schooler it’s making me sick

    • @makenna5883
      @makenna5883 4 роки тому +7

      @@drewberriesandcream for real it’s all so immature and ridiculous smh

    • @graceglo6638
      @graceglo6638 4 роки тому +24

      I watched Dustin's video and felt like it was so clearly biased and just was him and Nick shit-talking Hannah in a way that they were obviously doing behind the scenes, and were just so smug being able to do it online for once without getting shit for doing so.

  • @Damieva
    @Damieva 4 роки тому +447

    this is a totally unrelated comment but maaaannn hearing the name John kuckian after all these years still activates my fight or flight response,,, trully dark times

    • @saar3312
      @saar3312 4 роки тому +10

      I literally got war flashbacks. Those were horrible times kdbsk 😭😭

    • @virginiafernandes336
      @virginiafernandes336 4 роки тому +3

      Lol so true

    • @hubbardlaluce3932
      @hubbardlaluce3932 4 роки тому

      Why like you people be really be out here acting as if your some kind acquaintance to these people like wtf did any of these people do to or for you but sway your already fake ass opinion and offer you Merch & Makeup

    • @tiffane973
      @tiffane973 4 роки тому +1

      Pin this one. 🤣 I just got chills

  • @meh5872
    @meh5872 4 роки тому +469

    I got a bad feeling about Angelika once she quit university and started only doing drama videos in her time. Overtime her content got more and more lazy and she made wild assumptions without ever apologizing in her next videos or doing a retraction or responding to any comments. It's a classic case of you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. She's easy to criticize Gabby Hanna for not taking an accountability immediately after something happens but when the shoes on the other foot she backtracks. I hope she learns from this and actually finds something else to do rather than reporting on internet drama for a living. Only talking about the negatives in people slowly makes you become more cynical and this is seen with a lot of other channels that have come before her. I get that it earns her a massive amount of money but it's hardly something to be proud of.

    • @roxanne-91
      @roxanne-91 3 роки тому +44

      I also remember being really disappointed in how she talked about swoops video about glam&gore. I watched it and was under the impression it wasent that big a deal. Then i came here and watched smokey glow and was like "omg, its so important that I watch swoops video and learn from it as a white cis girl" and i would of never wached her video if it wasent for smokeys video. I cant stop thinking about that

    • @Dee-zx9zm
      @Dee-zx9zm 3 роки тому +7

      honestly i think there both on the same page, smokie glow just cut her ties w angelika to doge getting called out too. I cant sleep so im bored and binge watching all of this and im just know finding out about all of this and its so clear all of these people are selfish and do whatever they have to do to keep their fans pleased so they can keep making their dollar.

    • @lolok6338
      @lolok6338 3 роки тому +10

      Damnnnn she quit uni? I haven’t watched an angelika video in like 2 years, so I’m very lost with this situation 😂

    • @mynameisuju
      @mynameisuju 3 роки тому +16

      @@Dee-zx9zm so racism is on the same page as cutting ties with someone for being racist? Lol

    • @Dee-zx9zm
      @Dee-zx9zm 3 роки тому +3

      @@mynameisuju No, my point was she doesn't care about racism, she cares about her image, that's why she cut the ties. I wasn't comparing tie cutting and racism. Sorry if my first comment wasn't worded well enough.

  • @fangfetti
    @fangfetti 4 роки тому +1278

    I can’t believe that there’s “drama” over the fact that you’re trying to hold your friend accountable? Of course you’re not perfect and neither is Angelika but this is so overly blown out of proportion. Also the other thing that’s really upsetting as a POC observing this is that this was meant to be about calling out behaviour that ignores/speaks over BIPOC perspectives but now it’s turned into petty “drama” over two white women bc of the whole drama community culture…

    • @346ego
      @346ego 4 роки тому +25

      Exactly...

    • @Braindead_intellect
      @Braindead_intellect 4 роки тому +27

      SAY IT LOUDER

    • @martinameh
      @martinameh 4 роки тому +30

      Not true. She has her one and only thought to “How will this look to people online??” That’s cool to us but imagine if you were her friend.

    • @sophiaayers7995
      @sophiaayers7995 4 роки тому +60

      She didn’t do it to stand up for BIPOC. If she cared she would have looked into it when it was a controversy. She cared because of how it made her look and that’s disgusting

    • @Sockly
      @Sockly 4 роки тому +1

      This

  • @sabrinalee909
    @sabrinalee909 4 роки тому +373

    Anyone who thinks listening to POC is just being "fake woke" is really admitting the kind of person they are in my opinion.

    • @sarab3417
      @sarab3417 4 роки тому +3

      💯

    • @noa4644
      @noa4644 4 роки тому +50

      This comment section is a bunch of white people deciding what’s racist or what’s not and SG liking negative comment about angelika. I am sick of white people using racism for their petty fights.

    • @pollyyang7267
      @pollyyang7267 4 роки тому +5

      @@noa4644 THIS!

    • @britt4130
      @britt4130 4 роки тому +26

      @@noa4644 most of the comments I’m seeing Hannah like are ones that are critical of her or critical of the fact that this has turned into the battle of the white girls instead of a serious conversation about microaggressions. The latter are pretty much the vast majority actually

    • @saipandevo
      @saipandevo 4 роки тому +4

      @@britt4130 Really? Because I'm seeing the opposite. It's not just their video that matters but also how they behave in the comment section, and from what I'm seeing, neither of them have really learned anything. I've seen far too many videos addressing a situation but choose the comments they heart... poorly to say the least.

  • @cxshtana
    @cxshtana 4 роки тому +2581

    All Hannah did was hold herself accountable. That’s it. She didn’t drag the girl. She didn’t grab a torch and pitchfork.... she held herself accountable for how her actions made her audience feel based on actual feedback she was receiving. Isnt that what we always want from creators? Accountability?
    I think this whole thing is kind of dumb. Hannah doesn’t deserve to be getting hate for anything that happened. If you see this Hannah, I hope you’re okay. Protect your peace and mental health❤️

    • @saskiaosbourne3095
      @saskiaosbourne3095 4 роки тому +15

      exactly!!

    • @mackenziezeckowski5663
      @mackenziezeckowski5663 4 роки тому +15

      Yes! You are just laying out the truth for everyone to see!

    • @purplefrog0135
      @purplefrog0135 4 роки тому +9

      yes! ❤️

    • @makenna5883
      @makenna5883 4 роки тому +26

      Because she’s mature, smart and understands that knowledge can change your opinion ♥️ love her

    • @laue1221
      @laue1221 4 роки тому +35

      Exactly!!!! And then people call her a people pleaser... shes just a good human being

  • @manda_rambles
    @manda_rambles 4 роки тому +262

    Imo the micro aggressions by angelica overshadow smokey “being a bad friend” but whatevs

    • @mayailianna
      @mayailianna 4 роки тому +15

      exactly this whole thing she started is so pointless and derails from the actual issue at hand.

    • @soralhaajaa1856
      @soralhaajaa1856 4 роки тому +22

      No wonder other drama channels that are friends with racists came for Hannah. They don't care about BIPOC

    • @cinnabonbon
      @cinnabonbon 3 роки тому +2

      @@soralhaajaa1856 that is they dont care about them until they can get clout from them

  • @es0516
    @es0516 4 роки тому +876

    The fact all three of them have been louder about Smokey being a "bad friend" for publicly holding someone accountable than they have about the real issues speaks volumes. I watched all their videos, and that's literally all they could grasp at straws with. They will glaze over a dismiss far worse behavior from other people (cough cough Shane & Jeffree) but Smokey tries to be an ally and suddenly it's a scandal.

    • @CJAmara
      @CJAmara 4 роки тому +35

      I agree with everything you have said and the behaviour showed by Dustin, Nick and Rich is disgusting. The fact that what is causing them outrage is Hannah being a “bad friend” is just utterly disgusting to me

    • @amandawright9790
      @amandawright9790 4 роки тому +14

      I commented on Rich video when he said he doesn't call out his friends online I said what about Luscious, Theresa and the many others?

    • @Shelbizleee
      @Shelbizleee 4 роки тому +6

      THIIIIIIS!!! 👏👏👏

    • @redss111
      @redss111 4 роки тому +2

      So because she's not a POC, she can't be held accountable for how she treats friends??? No..

    • @CJAmara
      @CJAmara 4 роки тому +4

      @@redss111 but how did she treat her friend? I really think Hannah did not do bad by Angelika

  • @oliviaharper4548
    @oliviaharper4548 4 роки тому +301

    this whole situation was just super messy and overall super unhelpful for BIPOC imo

    • @smokey_glow
      @smokey_glow  4 роки тому +68

      I completely agree with you.

    • @greyLeicester
      @greyLeicester 4 роки тому +1

      Wtf is even a bipoc?

    • @jalysam813
      @jalysam813 4 роки тому +3

      @@greyLeicester Black/indigenous people of color

    • @ezmeraldamedrano
      @ezmeraldamedrano 4 роки тому +2

      @@jalysam813 ooohhhh!!!!! Oh boy I've been reading it wrong

    • @jalysam813
      @jalysam813 4 роки тому +2

      @@ezmeraldamedrano I kept reading it as bisexual poc lmao

  • @jennifermarbley1488
    @jennifermarbley1488 4 роки тому +314

    This whole situation is a little too high school for me and seems like it has very little to do with allyship or protecting marginalized groups 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @choctawbae2847
      @choctawbae2847 4 роки тому +33

      Yeah that’s because it has nothing to do with it lol. They don’t care about us, they’re both protecting their bags and using us as the excuse. 🙃

    • @ShinyPrimarina
      @ShinyPrimarina 4 роки тому +49

      Angelika trying to paint hannah as a bad friend and making the drama about her being a snake and ignoring Hannah trying to get her to focus on the original situation (i.e. the way Angelika was ignoring bipoc and the criticisms from them) is probably worse than idk. Hannah explaining herself? But yeah they're totally exactly the same

    • @shenae9080
      @shenae9080 4 роки тому +20

      I agree. It is all very stupid. I also love how Angelika donated to NAACP so here is Hannah doing the same thing and she made sure to put in her description BLACK! like wtf rofl

    • @clarem6971
      @clarem6971 4 роки тому +16

      At the end of the day they care more about protecting their image, anything else is just an embellishment. SG may be a “better ally” than AO at this point in time but it doesn’t mean she is a sincere one.

    • @lunatears1
      @lunatears1 4 роки тому +6

      honestly yea seems like performative activism

  • @lailawebster5778
    @lailawebster5778 3 роки тому +118

    Watched until the end and wow… time and time again you show that you are aware, compassionate and honest. Thank you for owning up to your mistakes and expressing that theres nothing wrong with learning new things that shift your opinion. People learn and change over time and thats okay. I also have so much support your values and the way you respect others. I’ve been watching your channel for a long time and I hope to keep watching for even longer!

  • @katie-yk1es
    @katie-yk1es 4 роки тому +591

    This is not petty drama. And micro aggressions against Black people, that’s not drama. I feel like that needs to be said.

    • @marinahparkinson1802
      @marinahparkinson1802 4 роки тому +18

      Agreed. 💙

    • @genoswest7253
      @genoswest7253 4 роки тому +28

      THANK YOU. People are seriously not getting that...

    • @e-linamarie
      @e-linamarie 4 роки тому +87

      the focus got pulled from the seriousness of racial microaggressions, and that’s the real problem here. it’s being turned into drama now, when the real conversation should be about how to be aware of and avoid microaggressions

    • @kaytee789
      @kaytee789 4 роки тому +25

      its sad but her followers think this is petty. I dont think Angelika is aware of her microagressions, shes been pulling the you said the * word revenge on other creator.

    • @honeysana672
      @honeysana672 4 роки тому +27

      the issue is twitter turned it into drama when it shouldn’t be labelled as such because your completely right.

  • @Nessiileinx3
    @Nessiileinx3 4 роки тому +501

    The irony of you both doing a collab about the biggest dramas of 2020 and then immediately being involved in one yourselves...I love both of you, please just get this sorted out, the year is messy enough.

    • @bethel_6571
      @bethel_6571 4 роки тому +19

      Omggg this just clicked and now I'm laughing 😂😂

    • @seeyoucu
      @seeyoucu 4 роки тому +2

      😂😂😂😂

    • @betmenen5146
      @betmenen5146 4 роки тому +1

      ‼️‼️

    • @almamater489
      @almamater489 4 роки тому +15

      I guess if you talk about drama you either stop, or eventually live long enough to become one 😂

    • @saraangel6696
      @saraangel6696 4 роки тому +5

      @UCMr6mxKDeSEouv_I6UJ-h0A true, it’s what happens to drama channels, there is no way you can walk among the sh*t and not get stained

  • @amandabasinger7978
    @amandabasinger7978 4 роки тому +416

    Racism is worse than being a bad friend. Yet Dustin, Rich and Nick refuse to address their own racism but have made multiple videos on people being bad friends. Make it make sense

    • @idahiberg4374
      @idahiberg4374 4 роки тому +10

      Besides, good friends are those who want to educate you and believe in you becoming a better person

    • @estheticianhere2875
      @estheticianhere2875 4 роки тому +6

      Rich addressed his faults many times maybe do reach before saying stupid stuff you obviously know nothing about.

    • @sarab3417
      @sarab3417 4 роки тому +21

      @@estheticianhere2875 but he doesn’t change, so...?? 🙄😑

    • @snail353
      @snail353 4 роки тому +2

      right! that group are literally the most toxic people on this site and as a BIPOC myself, it literally annoys me how they get away with things without any repercussions... like what??

    • @snail353
      @snail353 4 роки тому +2

      @@estheticianhere2875 he didn’t change lmfao

  • @karpouzy89
    @karpouzy89 4 роки тому +230

    You screwed up, took responsibility, and apologized. What more did people want from you? People need to start giving grace to others the way they expect it given to them.

  • @animelady001
    @animelady001 4 роки тому +168

    Hannah, as a bisexual black woman, I am very proud and thankful for you making this video.
    POC/WOC have been having issues with Angelika for a while now as it seems. Not everyone knew what was going on, but in these past few days it's been quite evident on the POC centered channels. This situation should have never turned into drama. This entire "scandal" was started because POC had been dealing with microaggressions from Angelika. Everything should have stayed focused on that, because that is where the real problem lies. POC were trying to get attention drawn to a content creator for either having racist sentiments or prejudices, but were not being heard.
    I understand the want to defend your friend when things are said about them. Or at the very least trying to get their perspective. However, I truly do respect that you actually looked into the situation yourself, and found that your friend had legitimately done/said some questionable things. I also respect that you initially tried to talk to them (to get them to understand what they did), but ultimately realized they weren't open to change.
    You have every right to stop associating yourself with someone if they are doing something wrong. Or if they show certain prejudices that they aren't willing to let go. Anything that may not be were you stand morally, and make you uncomfortable. This isn't about loyalty or staying true to a friend. This is about recognizing when someone close to you may be in the wrong, and separating yourself from them because what they did is something you can't stand for.
    I'm glad to see that you're willing to talk about these subjects to your audience, as well as take accountability for the way you handled things. I can't speak for all POC/WOC and say if they'll forgive/understand you, but I can say that I do. You made mistakes during this entire ordeal, but at the end of it you took responsibility. Which is more than I can say for all of the other parties involved in this, who have also had quite a few racist issues (Nick, Rich, etc.).
    Please remember to take care of yourself, and continue to show your growth through your actions. Again, thank you for making a video and sharing your side of this ordeal.

  • @brittanyratliff3017
    @brittanyratliff3017 4 роки тому +1356

    The fact that everyone was so busy calling you a “bad friend”, everything Angelika has done went right out the door! Also the fact that all those other creators would rather bash you than get to the bottom of why POC and others were so hurt by Angelikas actions??? Makes sense?????

    • @sheerluck9892
      @sheerluck9892 4 роки тому +140

      That is EXACTLY why angelika brought it up tbh. She was trying to shift the situation and unfortunately it seems to have initially worked lmao

    • @ece2382
      @ece2382 4 роки тому +8

      ^^^^^^^^

    • @caseyw.6550
      @caseyw.6550 4 роки тому +5

      THIS.

    • @-wy5iu
      @-wy5iu 4 роки тому +40

      Yep! Bc people don’t care about racism as much as they say they do.

    • @pankreas2195
      @pankreas2195 4 роки тому +27

      I am for the hundredth time asking someone to please tell me wtf did angelika do to BIPOC?? What were the microagressions? Where can I spot them? I truly want to know because I currently support the creator and I haven't seen EVIDENCE for the accusarions.

  • @ArchaicDialogue
    @ArchaicDialogue 4 роки тому +392

    As a gay poc, I knew all these people were shady from the start. Never vibed with them. I'm with you Hannah, not becuase I agree with everything you did, but because I know you will ultimately grow to be a better person.
    Mucho amor

    • @garbagetm1620
      @garbagetm1620 4 роки тому +3

      It’s the being public friends w Trisha and supporting J* for me

  • @JazzyCheeks
    @JazzyCheeks 4 роки тому +148

    Nick IS absolutely a bully. He's often saying crap about people, planting false ideas about people and their motives, and it's usually Dustin that has to correct him or point things out that Nick just conveniently ignores. That's a pattern for them.

  • @LP-xg9bl
    @LP-xg9bl 4 роки тому +374

    The real question is why are drama channels focusing on the possibility of Hannah being a bad friend when we should really be focusing on the possibility that someone harmed several communities in the past with their comments? I mean it just doesn’t seem that the two issues are on the same playing field.

    • @shiny781
      @shiny781 4 роки тому +3

      They could never. They hate Hanna n just wants to do any video on her putting her down

    • @SigmaReaper
      @SigmaReaper 4 роки тому +8

      It's sadly because drama channels and a lot of the people who watch them don't actually care about racism and bigotry as much they claim.

    • @erisha3998
      @erisha3998 4 роки тому

      Nice display picture ❤️

    • @fifaashfaq
      @fifaashfaq 4 роки тому +2

      Hannah didnt go to Nick's party last year and theyre still salty about it

  • @tahurahossain6012
    @tahurahossain6012 4 роки тому +467

    Am i the only one who thinks smokey is being held to an extremely high standard?! She can dissociate with whoever problematic 'youtube friend' or acquaintance she has. It’s not a big deal.
    Edit: Sorry for the confusion. I'm not talking about her initial pinned comment. Hannah should absolutely be held accountable of supporting another problematic influencer. I was really commenting about how harshly a lot of people were questioning her character for not wanting to support Angelika. At that point, the main issue should have been why is Angelika not clearing up the situation and taking accountability. Instead, all I saw in twitter was ppl going after her for 'being a bad friend'? They were never that close to begin with.

    • @TanealyaKimBeauty
      @TanealyaKimBeauty 4 роки тому +36

      She's held to a higher standard because of how she so easily calls out other youtubers at the same time expected to not be problematic. Her Twitter post was the same thing that she's called out other youtubers for doing.

    • @TheHannahJ1994
      @TheHannahJ1994 4 роки тому +5

      Very true!! I don't know why Hannah is being held to such a high standard

    • @Zionara_.
      @Zionara_. 4 роки тому +3

      @@TanealyaKimBeauty what was her Twitter post? I don’t have Twitter.

    • @likeaboxofchocolates
      @likeaboxofchocolates 4 роки тому +11

      She’s being held to the same standard she holds other people.

    • @saraangel6696
      @saraangel6696 4 роки тому +6

      That’s her own fault.

  • @tianaliss6566
    @tianaliss6566 4 роки тому +243

    I think it’s important to remember bipoc are not a monolith and I really feel like that’s how this discussion pins “us” as a group.
    Someone in the comments actually said it really well - “it’s like watching two people argue over you even though none of their feelings are hurt.”

    • @choctawbae2847
      @choctawbae2847 4 роки тому

      Yess this.

    • @daisybutinhertennisoutfit
      @daisybutinhertennisoutfit 4 роки тому +22

      I’m Lebanese with fair skin (second gen American) but I’d like to agree with your view here. I think my biggest problem with young activism is the advocating *with* versus advocating *for* , the latter which tends to be more misguided and comes off as “I’m a good white person, right?”. It’s hard for people to let go of, that it’s not about white people being good and absolving ourselves of guilt (the census says I’m white so I’m lumping myself in there lol,) but it takes a LOT of self-reflecting to let go of that complex. And I think that’s how we end up here.

    • @abbyehrenstein2550
      @abbyehrenstein2550 4 роки тому +2

      I thought the whole term of BIPOC is that it wasn’t a single group and that was supposed to be highlighted? Maybe I’m completely wrong tho

    • @annalabagaba
      @annalabagaba 4 роки тому +6

      As a Jewish Latina, a problem I have is that the term is how it is manipulated to fit some people and not others. Like you have to fit a standard in order to be deemed a minority worth protecting.
      But building off what you said, the thing for me is when (white) people talk about how something does/n’t offend me because of my identity. It feels more like I am a woke point than a person.

    • @tianaliss6566
      @tianaliss6566 4 роки тому +1

      @@abbyehrenstein2550 BIPOC is a group yes, but when talking about us as a group, it’s that “we” felt this and “we” felt that and I didn’t really feel any of what i was being defended for.
      I’m both black and Jewish, and forcing someone to come out and apologize on my behalf or feeling as though it’s your right to force someone to make a statement on “my” behalf when no one in the argument even fits the demographic is just bleh haha there aren’t really words. The whole thing just makes me feel a little icky like it wasn’t about ‘us’ but about saving a reputation.

  • @elizabeths.g7785
    @elizabeths.g7785 4 роки тому +254

    They really mad over her declining a party invite. LMAOOO I didn’t realize this was second grade

  • @cherielovemakeup
    @cherielovemakeup 4 роки тому +453

    This whole situation left a bad taste in my mouth. I feel it was less about protecting POC and the Trans community, and more about protecting their own brand. It just all feels so disingenuous on both sides. Personally, I just hope this is over now so we can all move on.

    • @cozycasasmr4510
      @cozycasasmr4510 4 роки тому +3

      Literally

    • @alexagallagher710
      @alexagallagher710 4 роки тому +6

      ALL ABOUT THEM , Leave us (pof )out of your video

    • @ritiaggarwal995
      @ritiaggarwal995 4 роки тому +15

      I left a VERY similar content on Angelika’s video. I completely agree! We aren’t here to be made woke white people’s drama. Go find your drama elsewhere.

    • @ayellowpapercrown6750
      @ayellowpapercrown6750 4 роки тому +7

      Right? POC must be t i r e d

    • @ritiaggarwal995
      @ritiaggarwal995 4 роки тому +5

      @@ayellowpapercrown6750 we are

  • @hannahmorris955
    @hannahmorris955 4 роки тому +372

    another thing - i would rather watch a youtuber that is a “bad friend” to racists than people who are a “ride or die friend” to racists. just sayin
    EDIT: this is in reference to the rich lux situation Hannah addresses later in the video, not angelika

    • @Proto-Martyr
      @Proto-Martyr 4 роки тому +22

      Which is the way it should be, however, Angelika isn't a racist. She made ignorant comments, but she wasn't and is not racist.

    • @almamater489
      @almamater489 4 роки тому +7

      Angelika was uneducated, but she's the last person to label as racist

    • @Mostlymatte
      @Mostlymatte 4 роки тому +19

      @@Proto-Martyr pretty sure she’s referring to Rich Lux... who is racist...

    • @tabbiragan915
      @tabbiragan915 4 роки тому

      👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @hannahmorris955
      @hannahmorris955 4 роки тому +6

      @@Proto-Martyr talking about rich lux not angelika

  • @jazzy4982
    @jazzy4982 4 роки тому +678

    I just wish people realized that cutting off a friend due to them disrespecting black people is NOT “throwing a friend under the bus” or being “fake woke.” Like the amount of internalized racism people have to think that is sickening.

    • @LAx1901
      @LAx1901 4 роки тому +20

      Literally!

    • @jazzy4982
      @jazzy4982 4 роки тому +17

      @@analupelosi3319 Hannah says in this video that she did not know about the situation regarding angelika at the time.

    • @jazzy4982
      @jazzy4982 4 роки тому +107

      By the way I’m a black woman and I literally feel so disrespected just looking at angelikas comment section.. like no one ever takes our feeling into consideration and the second Hanna did it was an issue to people... smh

    • @Ana-co9zv
      @Ana-co9zv 4 роки тому +22

      My exact thoughts. Angelika’s fan base doesn’t seem to understand this.

    • @aguagaby
      @aguagaby 4 роки тому +2

      Definitely agree

  • @meghansullivan6812
    @meghansullivan6812 4 роки тому +189

    Hannah is so emotionally intelligent and its so fkn refreshing to see from a UA-camr

  • @kallleigh
    @kallleigh 4 роки тому +938

    Real shady how people are turning this into SG being a “bad friend” instead of the actual issue of POC saying they are hurt.
    Friendship isn’t promised. And anti-racist work should come before friendship 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • @bleh449
      @bleh449 4 роки тому +5

      100%

    • @mydearstranger
      @mydearstranger 4 роки тому +32

      @@LeonieJMerry angelika had months to respond but SG had to call her out for the community to get an apology. I think SG did the right thing.

    • @Winedrunk2lulah
      @Winedrunk2lulah 4 роки тому

      You ain't never lie 🙌🏾

    • @mydearstranger
      @mydearstranger 4 роки тому +17

      @@LeonieJMerry did you watch the video? Because it sounds like you didn’t.
      But yes we are all entitled to our opinions.

    • @SamanthaD89
      @SamanthaD89 4 роки тому +5

      I agree and I feel like people are using the term friendship very easily. As far as I know SG & AO had never even met in person because she lives in another country. People are acting like they were best friends for years or hung out everyday.

  • @taylor_jane23
    @taylor_jane23 4 роки тому +257

    If my friends got offended every time I didn’t go party with them I would have no friends

  • @catecatfemme
    @catecatfemme 4 роки тому +1431

    To everyone else commenting asking why she’s talking abt Nick, Dustin, & Rich... it’s because on twitter, they all were so quick to involve themselves in the situation & jump on attacking smokey glow, when they had no reason to. as she talked about, they either lied about seeing her DMs with angelika, or angelika was sending the DMs to them. It had nothing to do with them but they went on to claim “oh this is just another example of Hannah throwing a friend under the bus!” and plant themselves in to spin the focus on Hannah vs Angelika, rather than just Angelika taking accountability for her shit.

    • @vascanj
      @vascanj 4 роки тому +54

      We all know how nasty they are...just look at how they treated Luscious Massacr! And she’s talked about it extensively on her channel.

    • @cinnamonraw9911
      @cinnamonraw9911 4 роки тому +14

      But... seriously wondering,: is this not what they do for a living? I thought I understand they are a T Chanel and so that is what they would do?

    • @nehasheikh5492
      @nehasheikh5492 4 роки тому +19

      They are drama channels and they all speak about UA-cam drama so why would they leave smokey lady alone ? Even smokey speaks about UA-cam drama

    • @catecatfemme
      @catecatfemme 4 роки тому +100

      @@cinnamonraw9911 @Neha Shayk The point is they were so quick to attack Smokey over it because they already had some weird vendetta over the party. I saw other channels talk about it, but NONE of them resorted to personal insults and attacks on Smokey’s character due to the situation. Along with that, it’s a bit odd none of them acknowledged why Angelika was in the wrong, either. The problem isn’t simply taking about it. The problem is personally inserting yourselves to the extent of claiming things like “Smokey snake threw another friend under the bus,” when the issue should have never been about their friendship. The issue should have remained Angelika’s microaggressions, regardless of if they considered Hannah’s response appropriate or not. She is not the villain for reassessing her opinion of Angelika after learning more about her, and it isn’t wrong for friends to encourage their friends to take accountability.

    • @catecatfemme
      @catecatfemme 4 роки тому +31

      I’m also gonna go ahead and say I think both Angelika and Smokey made some mistakes in how they handled this & while it isn’t my place to forgive Angelika for her microaggressions, I don’t really think either of them deserve a cancellation over this (in regards to their back & forth, specifically.) It’s very ..... exaggerated. I do understand Smokey addressing the issue to fans, as I’d expect any creator to address if they discovered a controversy with a creator they collabed with, but I don’t think either of them needed to ever allow it to get past making a video of back and forth between them.

  • @jjj8940
    @jjj8940 4 роки тому +317

    Notice how Hannah is taking accountability while Angelika was deflecting the whole time

    • @izzybitsyspider03
      @izzybitsyspider03 4 роки тому +42

      Yes it was so obvious to me! Her comment section makes Hannah seem evil but I'm like "bruh can't u see she doesn't want to just address things, apologize, and keep it moving?" That is what she should have done but she wanted to shift the blame.

    • @helena.4210
      @helena.4210 4 роки тому +4

      people respond differently when under pressure, doesn't make one person "better" than another

    • @lolok6338
      @lolok6338 3 роки тому +16

      @@helena.4210 ... but as an adult, you should be taking accountability when you clearly screwed up.

  • @Katie-xm5ck
    @Katie-xm5ck 4 роки тому +494

    when she doesn’t do the “hello friends, hi, how are you” you know something is wrong

    • @mintvelvet3351
      @mintvelvet3351 4 роки тому +1

      Except she did lmao

    • @kater2824
      @kater2824 4 роки тому +12

      @@mintvelvet3351 not exactly. She did say hello friends but in a more somber manner and not her normal intro so I see what the person was saying

    • @xiii000
      @xiii000 4 роки тому +2

      She shouldn't even say Hello friends, she's proven what a shit friend she is.

    • @LA-mz1dd
      @LA-mz1dd 4 роки тому +3

      @@xiii000 how did she do that?

    • @zadzko7988
      @zadzko7988 4 роки тому +2

      @@xiii000 how?

  • @kristinaerickson2353
    @kristinaerickson2353 4 роки тому +155

    When you talked to Manny I feel like you didn't even let what he did slide. I feel like you talked about it. My guess is Manny did a collab with you because he wanted to talk to someone whose been critical of him in the past.

    • @mammamia151
      @mammamia151 4 роки тому +18

      yeah most of the people criticizing hannah for that didn't even watch the interview lmao like she literally brought that up with him

    • @whatthehellisthis
      @whatthehellisthis 4 роки тому +1

      also i do recall hannah saying multiple times that she thought manny had grown from his scandals so it didn’t feel as out of nowhere as it was made out to be

    • @jenniferm99
      @jenniferm99 4 роки тому

      @@mammamia151 where? I can't find it in her time stamps

  • @ghong7334
    @ghong7334 4 роки тому +686

    Many of yall can't see that Hannah is not righteous. She is simply a grounded individual who knows what she deserves. Her entire video is her looking into the camera with a normal wardrobe and face on, hair done, and video edited. White women often weaponize being "sad" or looking disheveled to quite literally evoke a sense of pity. Hannah is critical of herself and others, to the point where insecure individuals perceive this as being mean. I have a personal qualm with people comparing AO's shyness to Hannahs confidence and acting like that's a good enough reason to denounce Hannah

    • @KWD423
      @KWD423 4 роки тому +10

      👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @Lai.dentistry
      @Lai.dentistry 4 роки тому +41

      Exactly !!! And side note It was very sus to me that AO started choking up and being emotional when talking about being "betrayed" by Hannah (and I was fooled by it ngl) but then when she started dragging her with the so called "receipts" and when she called out the Manny MUA (even though AO USES AND SUPPORTS MANNY MUA???) she was more straightforward with it

    • @skinnypomegranate
      @skinnypomegranate 4 роки тому +53

      This. Their lives arent over. Dont act like someone died and your life is falling apart. Angelika did something wrong and never made an apology good enough for BIPOC to accept, and Hannah honestly made the mistake of...making a bad youtube pin? Who cares about Hannah. This is about Angelika and her relationship with BIPOC. Angelika is obviously throwing the blame on Hannah instead of owning up to it, and Dustin and all those other idiots have let personal qualms against Hannah invade their work. Ridiculous.

    • @nelle1899
      @nelle1899 4 роки тому +3

      ^^^^^

    • @0Lottee0
      @0Lottee0 4 роки тому +10

      There's also this double standard that if she appeared on camera without make up on, her hair not done nicely, and wearing something 'less nice' she'd get picked apart for trying to look too sad or some shit. That would go for anyone not just her but especially targeting at women, either they look 'too good' or 'too depressed'.

  • @lucy.chavez
    @lucy.chavez 4 роки тому +335

    The fact that Angelika didn't want "receipts" to be leaked says everything imo...

    • @tugger
      @tugger 4 роки тому +3

      ^^^^^^ thiiiiiiiiis

    • @iko5164
      @iko5164 4 роки тому +6

      It’s Becuase it probably would’ve put both of them in a bad light.

    • @cgl-osl_
      @cgl-osl_ 4 роки тому +13

      @@iko5164 Angelika didnt care about putting Hannah in a bad light, in her video or before the vid, so forgive me if I don't think she does this at all to protect Hannahs image,

    • @iko5164
      @iko5164 4 роки тому +1

      @@cgl-osl_ do you really think that she’s that self centered? Even in the video Hannah said she was getting heated too.

  • @arrideng5032
    @arrideng5032 4 роки тому +245

    Love this maturity, ‘I feel’, ‘she feels’- opinions are options and facts are facts

  • @mnemeikyu9299
    @mnemeikyu9299 4 роки тому +631

    Everyone took the bait and now the conversation has shifted from Angelika's microaggressions against BIPOC to petty drama among white creators. I understand why you felt the need to make a video addressing their accusations but this is still very frustrating.

    • @KM-rt5jj
      @KM-rt5jj 4 роки тому +83

      So true... its been 10 mins and it's all about Hanna and Angelika. Would have been nice with way more focus at least initially about what micro aggressions are, why they're an issue and using it as an opportunity to educate the white followers. Idk if I'll last the entire video, and can imagine others will also click out of an hour long video

    • @brittanyKuchiki
      @brittanyKuchiki 4 роки тому +6

      That’s what they do, nick and Dustin and the rest of them do this all the time

    • @ladycaticorn2950
      @ladycaticorn2950 4 роки тому +9

      Do you think it would be appropriate for Hannah to explain why microaggressions are a problem, define them, etc... in this video? As a white person, I don't want to tell the BIPOC community what their lived experiences are, nor would I want to speak on the subject and get something wrong. I agree that she should've said more or said that she'll be making a video completely dedicated to this topic; however, I also think it's really hard for white people to speak about these issues because it's complex, important, and very easy to mess up. I'm not defending her because I agree more needs to be said, but I can understand the potential reservations she may have about bringing it up. What do you think would be the right thing for her to do? And I'm asking this genuinely because the best way to address this.

    • @smokey_glow
      @smokey_glow  4 роки тому +160

      I actually agree. I don’t regret making this video because I do feel I needed to at least provide my perspective given all of the misinformation I felt was being spread, but I do wish I hadn’t taken the bait and had made sure to include the actual root of the issue more. I’m currently trying to find a way to address these issues in another way so that the important conversation can still be had.

    • @mnemeikyu9299
      @mnemeikyu9299 4 роки тому +10

      @@ladycaticorn2950 I originally wrote a response to you but then realized you may be asking this under the assumption that I'm BIPOC and I'm not. I'll just say that I hope any video she does in the future which explores this topic will actively include people who are BIPOC.

  • @giulianaherrera7775
    @giulianaherrera7775 4 роки тому +545

    I was truly shocked at the hate you were getting and it made me really sad honestly. You really practiced what you preached in the terms of how to act after making a mistake. You found out more information, while that should have happened from the beginning before doing the collab, once you did know the info you acted quickly, cut ties and explained to your viewers why a glowmas video was deleted. I think it was handled properly because the microagressions were a public matter and you publicly sided with a party that you no longer agreed with in the end.

    • @kiaraeshi
      @kiaraeshi 4 роки тому +2

      RIGHT?! It was crazyyy

  • @JessyLovesYou
    @JessyLovesYou 4 роки тому +213

    "Why isn't the narrative being pushed, hey don't do shitty actions that require people to have to call you out? And if you do, own up to it so your friends don't have to call you out"
    This right here.
    Honestly, best thing to do is treat people here like work friends. At arms length.

    • @Listening_Books12345
      @Listening_Books12345 3 роки тому +2

      Excellent point. These people are your coworkers, your competition, and some of them, SG included, make their money talking about other people on the internet and how they conduct their business. These creators need to keep that mind.

  • @Heemi30
    @Heemi30 4 роки тому +116

    My takeaway from this situation is that youtubers really need to do extensive research on other youtubers before deciding to befriend and collab with one another.

    • @MakeupJunkie0000
      @MakeupJunkie0000 4 роки тому +9

      I think about this a lot but I can't imagine I'd honestly ever be able to know enough.

    • @addy7877
      @addy7877 4 роки тому +17

      At this point, I kind of think that it would be better for them to just not be friends with each other. You never know what someone else is thinking and with the way the internet reacts, if they mess up and you don't call them out in public it will be as if you are condoning the person's actions

    • @ayellowpapercrown6750
      @ayellowpapercrown6750 4 роки тому +9

      Do you even realise how unreasonable that is? I mean for soul-less collabs I guess, but friendships happen organically. Expecting people to do background checks on every potential friend is completely insane.

    • @meriananizer
      @meriananizer 4 роки тому

      This Is stupid

    • @niamhm4109
      @niamhm4109 4 роки тому

      @@ayellowpapercrown6750 well UA-cam is their image and their profession yeah of course when people are gonna hang out you can't do a full background check but it is important to present well on UA-cam

  • @melanie_margaret
    @melanie_margaret 4 роки тому +403

    i’m not liking that this entire situation has become “hannah vs angelika” instead of the actual microaggressive comments angelika has made.
    the drama channel people who are currently siding with angelika have also done some shady bullshit & i wish they would shut their asses up.
    i also just wish that people would stop speaking over BIPOC & anyone that’s been affected by angelika’s behavior. really wish y’all would just. stop. (this is not for the BIPOC who either don’t care or disagree with myself/hannah/other BIPOC who feel similarly. you can feel how you feel, & i’m not going to disparage you from feeling how you feel.)
    love you, hannah. i can tell this is really hurting you. i’ve been there. 🤍

    • @sleepysquidasmr2705
      @sleepysquidasmr2705 4 роки тому

      Also I feel like the best case scenario for this situation would have been in private,,,just between Hannah and Angelika...

    • @melanie_margaret
      @melanie_margaret 4 роки тому +38

      @@sleepysquidasmr2705 did you watch the video? they tried that.
      also with something as serious as racist microaggressions, no i don’t think that should be handled privately.

    • @melaniedarmawan9922
      @melaniedarmawan9922 4 роки тому +1

      @@sleepysquidasmr2705 Hannah was the first person to brought it up to the public eye lol

  • @tayloooorx16
    @tayloooorx16 4 роки тому +187

    Can we just have glowmas back please? This year is shit enough.

    • @smokey_glow
      @smokey_glow  4 роки тому +73

      It’s coming 🥺😂❤️

    • @gigicolada
      @gigicolada 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah I’m so out of the loop with this kind of drama. I’m here for the happy!

    • @taniaalvaart
      @taniaalvaart 4 роки тому +1

      @@smokey_glow please smokey

    • @reyeshdez4270
      @reyeshdez4270 4 роки тому

      🤥🤥🤥🤥🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

    • @tayloooorx16
      @tayloooorx16 4 роки тому +1

      @@reyeshdez4270 great response, you feel good now?

  • @CK-mq1tb
    @CK-mq1tb 4 роки тому +58

    My therapist once told me to set a 24 hour rule to respond to people who were heckling me into responding to them, whether their urgency was related to logistics or accusatory or whatnot, that being provoked into a reaction isn't the best thing for me. I think a lot more people need practice taking the time to gather themselves so they can respond to difficult communications. Things would likely have gone differently between these two if they had taken more time to figure out what the hell is going on. In the end, I know some communities were demanding to know what the stance was, however, you can't do a proper investigation and communicate well in that little time. We need to stop knee-jerking everything. Yeah, don't take months, but you can wait 24 hours and figure your shit out privately before making videos for the world to consume as drama.