How to lace a motorcycle wheel // Paul Brodie's Shop
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Thank you for not editing out your mishaps Paul. Keeping them in and eventually succeeding makes these projects more achievable to us viewers. Congratulations on your 2 year anniversary. I'm so pleased to be on this journey with you and Mitch.
Thanks Kevin. Sometimes mistakes are a part of the process!
Congratulations on the 2 year anniversary ! We all look forward to seeing a "1" next to that "2"! Thanks for the videos.
Thanks Vlad, and thanks for the coffees!
Wheel building can be humbling for even the most experienced builders.
Love it!
Thanks you.
Tell me about it - bicycle wheel building takes me *hours* to do *ONE!*
Got to build two *more* 36 hole rims on XT hubs within the next two months, so this episode is *TIMELY.*
Just hooked up with your videos Paul, now have to binged watch 2x years worth.
A long time subscriber from Ukraine here. Was always fascinated with the attention you have to the smallest details.
Being forced away from home, watching your videos, I am dreaming of projects I will return to if everything goes well. The frame, forks, and most of the parts for the first mini-bike I've welded are still waiting to be assembled (if my workshop is still intact). Meanwhile, my relatives, and the whole neighborhood I have spent the life in, are under constant shelling.
Thank you for supporting our country. This flag truly means a lot. It has been, in a way, a mark of decency for the last 46 days. For those coming from cities that were left without the Internet, seeing such support puts tears on their eyes, trust me.
Hope to meet you some day. Oleg.
And congratulations with the anniversary! Many years to come.
Oleg, thanks for watching and commenting. I do support Ukraine. I hope the fighting stops. I hope your shop remains intact and you get back to your project. Maybe we will meet one day. Peace.
You gave me a good laugh when you paused to figure out what was wrong with the lacing pattern. I've been in that pondering moment myself. Thanks for the great vids.
Thanks for watching. Yes, not everything always goes 100% smoothly. We do get "hiccups" in our shop too... 😉
Watching a master at work is priceless,
thank you!
Thank you Kevin!
I love lacing my own wheels, I learned how to do it at the ripe age of 12 (1982), when a bicycle shop wanted $30 each to lace up a set of wheels fort my BMX bike. $60 was 3 yards to mow, and I wasn't gong to have it. Took me 3 tries to get it right on the first wheel, the second wheel was fast, but the satisfaction of doing it myself was the greatest reward. It only cost me $10 to have the wheels trued, once they were done, and I could live with that. I cant count the number of wheels I have laced and trued for myself and others over the years, but each time there is a sense of accomplishment.
Good for you. Thanks for commenting!
Used to love lacing wheels in the (bicycle) shop during the winter. I was lucky to have customers who were ok with trying different patterns.
Thanks for sharing!
was a great two years!!!!! cheers!
Thank you Connor!
2 Years already? Time flies when you having fun
Yes, time has gone fast. And we are still having fun :)
You've got green grass - we've got snow. Not fair! Congrats on two years and 40k subs!
Thank you Mattias. It looks like I have to mow my lawn for the second time...
love you paul
Happy anniversary 👍👍😎👍👍. I have watched and absolutely enjoyed EVERY episode. Looking forward to many more.
Joel, thank you very much!
Congratulations on the two years and the straight frame! You said you “lucked out “ on the frame alignment, it reminded me of an old saying that applies here. The more I practice the luckier I get!
Thank you Will. I've been doing stuff for so long I must be Really Lucky!
Dig the well spoke 'n wheel interlacing stuff.
Happy UA-camrsary 2... too.
Thank you!
When I was a teen, back in the seventies. Some jerk, knocked my new ten speed over, and jumped on the front 27” wheel! It looked like a pringles potato chip. I did rebuild it, with no prior experience. And it worked, however, I didn’t get the axle exactly centered. So it had a little bounce to it. It was minimal and I drove it for years like that. So, I feel it’s an art to lacing a rim!
Building a wheel is a bit of an art. Thanks for watching.
2 years of very entertaining & enlightening videos....many thanks Paul & Mitch
Richard, thank you very much.
I can't wait to see the three! I used to keep a rough track of how many wheels I'd built by saving up those bottles and sending back sets of 50 to Bucannons as one bottle was enough for many wheels. I figure that I built roughly 500 in the five or so years that I did it. And it sometimes helps to have one of your modified screwdriver bits in and electric drill to speed things up.
Ohh man. Now i finally got it. You're the first whos tells what the hell to do when you true the wheel... now i feel stupid cause now it feels like it's completely logical. Luckily I've got a set of spoked wheels that im restoring so now i feel confident to try it out myself. Thanks so much for this video
Thank you! It is logical, and I hope your wheels turn out well. Just have a little patience!
An amazing experience watching your channel. Most episodes cause me flashbacks.
In the mid 60's I was a 'wrench/driver/gopher for a privateer pro expert AMA racer #22R based in Culver City, CA. In the days of 500cc OHV vs. 750 flatheads. No brakes. Home track was Ascot Park every Friday night during the season. A stable of Triumphs, a specific 1/2 mile Ascot bike, A 650 TT bike (rear brake allowed), a Tiger Cub for short track events, and a 500cc Road Race unit. Semi sponsored by Johnson Motors (cost parts from any Triumph dealer for on the road repairs, and some travel money). Raced all the National events on the west coast. Tiger Cub was bored out to a 'stack of washers' and fitted with Wiseco piston. We both worked in the service dept. at Hapco Triumph/Hodaka/BSA, so parts there were also at cost. Cylinder heads with welded squish bands and machined pistons. Top end refreshed after every event. New rings and lapped valves after every race night.
I still have the jacket that was presented for fast qualifier at one of the AMA National events held at Ascot.
Ah, the days of racing still reverberate. I'm 81 now and the jacket still fits :)
John, thanks for watching and commenting! Great stories. I really miss racing. I loved spending the entire weekend at a track. I never got a hotel, always slept at the track. All my buddies were there, and I miss that camaraderie too.
Yay, Paul & Mitch! 2 Years!!! The "Engine Turning" finish on the "2" looks great as well. in 1975 I worked for a high-end digital watch company, and we used the engine turning technique on the inside of the watch back cover. It was a pain, without a good method for the step-and-repeat pattern. Boy that was a flash-back!!! And what a nice job on the wheel lacing! So much of what's needed is P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E!
Tom, thanks for watching and commenting :)
This channel is as good ,if not better, than any big budget TV show, great diverse content no constant reiteration and playing back the previous episode like American chopper etc.
You both ought to be proud.
Thank you very much. Yes, we are proud.
We in England call it 'Engine Tuning' for that finish
Thanks, now I know the term. In another comment, below, someone else called it "engine turning". Maybe that is the correct term?
I beg to differ...you did not ‘Luck out’. Simply got it right! When taking on a project I aim for perfection...then when I inevitably fall short it still turns out very well. Your level is SO HIGH that when you fall short,it still exceeds most people’s ‘perfection’.
Felix, thanks for watching and commenting :)
Congratulations 👏🏻 2Y 🎇🎂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you so much 😀
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with the world ,,iv learned lots from you, ,I have told so many people about you ,,happy 2 years
Thank you very much!
When my stepson was eight years old his mum took him off around the world for a year. He spent hour after hour on the Trans Siberian Railway learning how to lace a pair of shoes. He came back at the year's end a true believer in Velcro. Ten years later he buys a pair of shoes, laces them once and then treats them like slip-ons... Shame he didn't take a bicycle wheel to practice on, at least he'd have an excuse. If it can confuse the professor... Thankyou, Paul, that was a remarkably clear explanation of how it's done. Symmetrical hubs are a lot easier, folks, both sides being the same.
Thanks Bill. You told a good story too! We all have our talents, whether it's wheel lacing or tying shoes..
@@paulbrodie And like all good stories, absolutely true. Well, within ten thou... (Never even fixed a puncture! Kids of today. Don't get me started. My autobiography will tell all)...
Congratulations on the two years. Wheely good, mate.
Thanks Phil 👍
14:39 hahahhahahahaha love it!
Two years, 40k subscribers, well done, it is a pleasure watching you.
Thank you Honey Badger.
Thank you Paul and Mitch. I learned to build wheels at a bicycle shop in 1980 from one of the best mechanics I have ever encountered. Someone brought in a motorcycle wheel one day, he looked at it, unlaced it and rebuilt it with new spokes and rim first try. I am still amazed at that. Also: I have a little tool I made for installing the nipples that is a spoke bent into a crank with a nipple screwed onto the end with a couple of mm of thread showing. I screw a nipple onto it and spin it onto the spoke, unscrew the tool and move on to the next one. Very quick and no fumbling. I am sure there is a forum up in heaven where wheel builders can argue for the rest of time what is the best way to build a wheel!
Don, thanks for watching and commenting. I especially liked the "Forum up in Heaven"...
Only the bravest lace wheels. Everything you work on has an element of beauty when you are finished with it. I enjoy your work and congratulate you on 2 years of educating the masses.
Thanks Craig 👍 Very nice comments.
Thank you very much for two years of entertainment already!
Thank you!
Fascinating, thank you 😊 Blessings 🙏
Thank you Salvador.
Cool Video as always:) very relaxing to watch.
To remove old spokes I use a bold cutter. No noise and dirt also very fast. ✌🏻
I think you mean a "bolt cutter". Yes, but sparks are great for a UA-cam video!
Yes of course bolt. Sry for that :)
one hole could be essential... in a workshop you never stop learning...thank you for showing that! Greatings form the black forest, Rainer.
Thanks for watching.
Congrats Paul and Mitchell
Thank you very much!
nice work with this messy hub Paul… And Mich has done a very nice vid too ! This "2" is gorgeous, by the way… Congrats for both of you and please, don't stop !
Thank you Thierry!
Paul my Father was a brilliant tradesman like yourself and one thing , l remember him saying to me when l was young a good tradesman can always fix his mistakes.
Great comment! Thanks Darren.
Greetings from 🇺🇦. I am very happy to see the Ukrainian flag on your table.
Greetings Ukraine! I am happy to display your flag :)
Love the Engine Turned #2 - congrats to you both on 2 year anniversary.
Tat, thanks for watching and commenting.
I do a lot of moto work, and really old stuff was held in place before Locktite was invented. I have seen wax, paint, punch mark, or peening used. There was the possibility the seal retainer could have been peened with a chisel to prevent it from backing out. Congrats on 2 wonderful years!
Thank you Lee! I did not see any peening marks at all, which does make it a mystery...
Congratulations, well deserved gentlemen, set free the mind. It is always meaningful to learn from you.
Thank you Helge.
I've soaked used rusty rims in a phosphoric acid solution to remove rust. Homemade plywood box with 2 by 6 sides, lined with a few layers of 6 mil plastic. It cleans them the best that they can be cleaned. You do wonderful work. I enjoy learning from your videos.
Thank you Joe.
Zen and the art of wheel lacing. The other motorcycle builder, Allen Millyard, uses a slightly different approach, but both Paul's and Allen's will get you there in the end.
There is also Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.
Paul, I think we have all been there,….head scratching then the penny drops and off we go again in the right direction. We all learn more that way. The trouble is I forget by the next time comes around!
Best wishes on your anniversary.
Kevin.
Thanks Kevin. Yes, I know exactly what you mean by forgetting the next time round!
Just restored and built my first spoked wheel recently - took me ages but was a great project and quite satisfying.
Yes, isn't it great when it turns out like it should?
Thanks you for your time
Thanks for watching.
For sure one of the more frustrating parts of wrenching on your own gear, that is for sure. Out of all the wheels Ive laced, my first set of Honda wheels from the late 70s almost drove me to a bell tower with my Remington 700. Four different sized spokes, the bolt together hubs, my good god lol.
Yes, wheels can be frustrating, but when they're done it sure is a good feeling!
Nicely done as always. Thank you both.
Thanks Mark.
Congratulations on your two year anniversary Paul and Mitch!! Love the channel!👍
Thank you John.
Best wishes for the next two years!!!!
Thank you Polder!
Nice engine turning! Use to see that on some metal dashboards, Bugatti engines and very rarely, a special firewall.
Good wheel building tutorial.
Thank you Thomas!
Congrats to you two!!!
Thank you Doran!
Thanks for supporting Ukraine! You are great master, Mr Brodie. True art and love in your "fabrication" this beautiful two-wheel machines.
Thank you.
Thank you. Some viewers gave us a hard time for showing the Ukrainian flag, but it remain on my bench :)
Congrats! Another way I do the 'Jeweled' Finish is with a wood dowel and some fine lapping compound. I find its gets a more crisp edge to the swirl.
That's a great idea! I think I have heard of that before. It would give a similar, but different effect.
Congratulations on the 2 year anniversary Paul and Mitch. I must have been really lucky when I did my wheels, first time lacing wheels, watch a couple of videos about it, and then had a go, got it right first time, never even noticed the hole issue that you had, I'd have never sussed that one out, I'll know for next time (if there is one). Thanks Mitch and Paul.
Thank you David.
great video may i have to watch it 6 times but its really helpful
Glad to hear that!
Great skill to have.
I built a set of bicycle wheels once. They came out good. And I'll never do it again!
Good show, guys.
Thank you.
Thank you for an interesting video and it's very pleasant to see Ukrainian flag! Cheers from Ukraine!
Thank you! I truly do wish for World Peace... It really would be wonderful...
I am from Philippines, i subscribed to your channel Mr Brodie, thankyou for the information and the talent you share. Continue what youre doing.
Thank you Ralptyra.
So enjoying these videos! learning things from you makes the job look not so scary now.
Thanks Steve.
It finally hit me, those are KEF 101 speakers. I love my LFT-IIIs from '87. They call our speakers "vintage" now.
Yes, those are my KEFs. I bought them in 1979 and couldn't believe I just spent $600!
I’m goin* to use your idea of using a pallet knife to pack bearings. I have it in my tools bag and never thought to go beyond fingers.
That little palette knife is a very handy tool for a variety of reasons.
Congratulations!!! We hope for many more years to come with your great videos
Thank you!
See you next time my friend! Take care!
Thank you Rafael!
@@paulbrodie enjoy this weekend gp !
That "grease" that came with the spokes, is anti-seize to keep the stainless steel from galling when putting it together.
Correct!
Congrats on two years and some amazing builds. Laid out the spokes rims and hubs yesterday for my Knucklehead wheel and VL front wheel after letting the paint cure. Ran across this video and told myself,self,you’re on more than just the government’s watch list. Checked everywhere it would be obvious but didn’t find a single camera or evidence of being bugged,lol. Anyway great video and glad to see the Tiger Cub frame slugged and doctored up. Expected to see you rosette weld it but as long as you don’t TT race it it’ll stay together just fine as a road bike.
Never crossed my mind to use my mill for engine turning but that worked out exceedingly well. Thanks for that tip. 👍
Thanks Lewis.
Congratulations on your 2 years
Thank you Carl.
Ha Ha. Only two tries to get it right. I took my first one apart about 3 times before I got it! Good job.
Thanks Don. Yes, we leave the hiccups in.
I’m sure if I tried to lace up a wheel I wouldn’t get the same result. Good work Paul
Thanks Ian.
I would love to see you repair that old hub. I'm sure that with all of your skills, it could be done.
I guess anything is "repairable", but I'm told you can buy a good used one off eBay for $45, so it seems hardly worth the time and effort.
I used to do bicycle wheels at a shop, when I was in last year of primary school. No-one else wanted to do them. I'll never forget, years later someone asked me to do a front wheel off a dirt bike and I said yes, thinking it wouldn't be much different. Well I couldn't get a lump out of it no matter how much tuning I did. In the end I woke up next morning, pulled it all apart and flipped the rim over and laced it up again - and it trued up straight away no trouble at all. I still think about it over 40 years later. I mean, it *shouldn't* have made any difference.................
Maybe when you unlaced the wheel it took the stress out of the rim?
I have rebuilt, maybe, eight, Honda motorcycles. Engine rebuilding. Not a problem. Fraim straightening is not a problem. Re-spoking and straightening wheels. I find it the hardest thing that I have ever done. I never could get it right. Had to farm it out. 😒
Around a couple of decades ago I found a really good description of how to lace up spoked wheels in a bicycle mechanics' book 'Zinn and the art of mountainbike maintenance' by Leonard Zinn.
Having calculated the spoke length manually (spoke calculating programs on the net were not a thing then) and bought a set of spokes, I sat down with rim, hub and spokes, and had a good wheel all trued up, ready to use, two hours later.
Motorcycle wheels are just a larger version of bicycle wheels with heavier components.
I think you have to want to learn, and have the patience too. Having a wheel stand definitely helps.
I hate lacing 😅
I got sent the wrong rim.
A Honda 36 for my Suzuki 34 hub.
I was out thier till midnight working 😎
The wheel has to be straight. Ty for the episode. When last month I built two new bicycle wheels I partially unlaced one thinking I had started the lacing wrong. I hadn't so back together it went.
No one wants a crooked wheel.
Id love to see a video on how to calculate spoke length when mixing hubs and rims, say harley rim and honda hubs.
There are spoke calculator programs on the Net. They are aimed at bicycle wheels, but I don't see why they wouldn't work for motorcycles. Give them a Google.
Scotch Brite on a die grinder and you can achieve machine turning....😎 Twist lock I meant to say.... never thought too cut spokes duh. I call it licking your calf over,, don't know where I got that....But it takes a big Man too show his fault.. thanks 😎 Scotty
Great job on the wheel.
Thank you Frederick...
Not really related but I laced my dualsport rims
Rode 200 miles and retightened them and then powder coated the rim as a whole and I havnt had to adjust them for 20k miles so far.
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
great episode men ! i was taught wheel building many moons ago
by my boss Mick Donovan (CYCLES) here in Yorkshire, built myself a pair of 36
spoke track wheels, he would lace up a pair and task me with` tickling `them
up true and round ,its so relaxing ,good luck 😄👍 and don`t forget to
de-ping ,,em
Thanks William.
Failure is always an option when building wheels. Finishing and discovering I've got the valve hole in the wrong place is my favorite mistake to make.
Yes, on bicycle wheels I'm very careful with the valve hole placement. On motorcycle wheels the spoke holes in the dimples are angled, so that can't happen.
I’ve done a few wheels over the years anda couple of things I’ve learnt Takephotos when it’s still together with Mark’s on the wheel and rim so you get the orientation right and begin the alignment process by getting it true in the diameter measurements , then do the lateral runout adjustments . Tap the strings with a small spanner and listen to the pitch of the strings . Equal spoke tension gives an equal tone in each spoke . My wife wondered what the hell I was doing ,Lol. Tapping spokes all day . I try to get the run out on my dirt bike rims to within 0.5 mm with the dial guage
Good comments, thanks Rob. Yes, I did take a photo of the lacing patterns.
I did not see you check or set the rim offset or "dish" as you described it before truing the rim. Quite important!
You are correct. We ran out of time filming the video, so I did that later in the day. Thanks for commenting.
To me, a lot of your success comes from your methodical approach to snags. Doing it right takes 20 minutes, doing it wrong takes all week.
We're trying to show the "process" of making things. Hiccups and all. Thanks for watching!
hey paul, congrats and thanks for those videos. this one reminded me of redoing the wheels of my 1967 velosolex. always interesting to see, how wheels can be build for different reasons.
Thank you Jens.
Second job my father ever made me do, showed me once then told me to get on with it.
Fast removal of old spokes, then a logical relaxing re-installation -Until the "50-50 Chance" rears it's head.
Yes, I was on the wrong side of the 50/50 situation!
I laced a wheel up last year some time that had me scratch my head in a similar manner. My boss instantly spotted the problem and commented "It's out of phase". Same fix, go and shift a bunch of spokes around to get it right.
I'm not the only one!
As always, thank you for the video! Well done on the 2 year anniversary! I've *consistently* enjoyed your work. Love the engine turning. I successfully laced a motorcycle wheel when I was younger, and was very proud of myself, but I can't really claim to know how to do it properly. I've heard different approaches - do you get the diameter true first, then the runout, or vice-versa?
Thanks Alan. It's a little bit of both. It slowly comes into true, both ways.
Nice job! Was the hub you laced up new or maybe old-new stock? Thanks again for a great video! Two steps forward and one step back but always progressing! It seems like for me I go one step forward and two steps back...Lol...
Thanks William. That hub was used, I got it out of a spare wheel I had. Good condition, so I bead blasted it and painted it black.
Jaja great,tanks Master B
15:00 this is a frustrating moment... I ve lived many moments like this...
The concern I see is that the sparks from the angle grinder were hitting the Chrome on the rim and will cause rust to form. would have been a good idea to protect. As always a good video showing the joy of building
Thanks for your concern. The rim already had a bunch of little rust spots, so it's not like it was in pristine shape! I know moisture can cause rust, not sure about sparks...
@@paulbrodie unfortunately the sparks have the molten steel that can burn into the surface of the Chrome and start additional corrosion ( iI leant the hard way )
Such a tedious job. I remember learn how to true a wheel when I was a kid, was in my favorite bike shop when I was kid and saw Dave from Dave’s Cycle’s, trueing one and he taught me real quick. That was my favorite shop, he had used stuff, the other one was kinda snooty and didn’t want to help you out, just sell new parts.
That's good you had the experience between two completely different shops!
Feliz aniversário de dois anos! Muito bom te acompanhar estes dois anos daqui do Brasil (MG). ** Happy 2 year anniversary! Very good to accompany you in these two years here forme Brazil (MG).
Hello Brazil! Thanks for watching :)
Lots of those rim's had a little kinks like that. The speciation if memory serves me was 1/8 inch run out or less, often 1/8 was the best possible results.
Often the kink is where it was welded at the factory.
@@paulbrodie yep, nearly every time , it is easier to see the weld on the inside of the rim between the flanges.