I am French and I of course prefer Rafale but I must admit Gripen is a very good plane too and I wouldn't have to face teams with both working together. Gripen deservs to find new markets instead of F35. I like the idea of landing on inprovised runways (could be a solution for Ukraine lately).
You get the answers you want by how you ask the questions. This is true. They can both, and if we drag the Eurofighter into it, all three Winn against any opponent. This is true. They all have their stronger and weaker capabilities. I'm Swedish and Gripen is my choice. I guess not many French people, British people or Germans would agree...🤣😂
First of all, comparing a single engine jet to a dual engine is like comparing apples with oranges. Of course a dual engine configuration will enable heavier payload including more fuel which will lead to longer range. That’s simply a physics fact. But there is a reason to why Sweden opted for a single engine configuration for the Gripen E, and that is cost. Lower cost can enable more aircraft for the same amount of money, which was a key design goal, and range and payload was deemed good enough. In fact, range and payload has increased from the Gripen C which was also deemed good enough from a Swedish context. So while the Rafale has a longer range and more payload, those features would not have made the Rafale a “winner” for Sweden (or customers with similar needs). These youtube videos with robot voices that compares synthetic benchmarks from spread sheets completely out of context is kind of tiresome and pointless. At least IMHO…
Obviously the guy who made this have no clue about radars, electronic and optronic systems. Counting number of antenna is irrelevant. It is the systems inside and software that is used that makes the difference. How the signals are processed, can it resolve the floating signals and variously modulated signals, hoping signals etc. In radar technology, software is equally important as hardware, especially for AESA radars. It is way to complex to explain in comment, but such comparison is ridiculous at least. Also, Indian F3R are using IRST, that will now be part of F4 Rafale. France cannot introduce it as it's agency must test it and certify it, but it is already available and in use for some time. Rafale has larger wheels, so it is better in that aspect... That is the level of quality of this video🤣🤣🤣
I think both are amazing. I love Greece which I think by now has 30 Rafeles either in their hands or partly still incoming, aside if F35s, latest upgraded F16s etc
This is a fairly bad comparative analysis. First, one should identify which version is really compared. In this case, it seems that the Rafale F-3R version is being used and not the more modern F4.1, with improved electronics. There are also a number of inaccuracies in the data provided. But most importantly you cannot restrict a comparison to 3 criteria. For example, availability and maintenance are critical elements, as well as many other logistics and compatibility criteria. Range, robustness, ergonomics etc. are all important elements for comparison. The reason why Rafale came on top of I believe all the national trials that included both planes is because customers take into account a broad diversity of criteria. But at the end of the day, getting the "best" plane may not be the "best" choice for a country, and there are plenty of cases where a customer should take the Gripen over the Rafale even if the Rafale is usually considered as a better plane, because it fits its needs.
You are wrong about the version if I understand it correctly. As for other important things like RCS and Supercruice they both are good, Jas has a lower RCS and Rafale has faster Supercruice. One of Rafale strong points is that it can carry India Nukes. Jas can not be sold without a restriction on nukes. Therefore Rafale was a given for India.
In a genuine ww3 environment, being able to fly off a carrier makes the Rafale the winner. Rafale also is the faster fighter of the lot from order to active to duty, so its more effectively maintained.
As a French i have to say the RAFALE is equiped with the M88 (the old SNECMA)...75Kn max.................... it is fuckiong not enough. Pilot need 90Kn for refueling or make energy at high attitude, they talk about that publicly in interview btw. SEA GRIPEN is a variant for CARRIER.... and yes ASMP is game changer... SCALP too ... MBDA build missiles for EU & Swedish. Anyway, the jet is not something we can compare like that... dissmissed !
It depends on the user requirements as always but Gripen is the most cost effective fighter in the world at this point! I think the mix of different fighters NATO has makes us more dangerous for the intended opponents. United we stand 💪🏻
This kind of comparisons, though entertaining, are pointless. Take the radar …. what about modes and other details? And by the way Gripen's radar can locate and identify targets up to 120 km away, while the Rafale's RBE2-AA radar has a range of over 200 km. And the EW system? Rafale‘s multi-spectral integrated defensive aids suite SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft) is possibly the most advanced system besides the F-35.
@@-NiEr yep you re right ahahah. But on the paper, may country prefer the rafale, for the jet but also for the policy. Of course we talk about RAFALE F4 not the old version. We can be proud to have GRIPEN and Eurofighter with canard too ahahah yeah 🦆
CQFD : Et si cette fois c’était la bonne ? En mars dernier une petite phrase prononcée par Emmanuel Macron mettait le feu aux poudres sur le dossier du remplacement des AMX A-1M et des Northrop F-5EM/FM Tiger II de la Força Aérea Brasileira. À l’approche du sommet du G20 à Rio de Janeiro dans trois semaine le dossier revient sur la table avec cette fois un chiffre : il serait question de vingt-quatre Dassault Aviation Rafale F4. Et puis aussi d’hélicoptères légers, de sous-marins, ou encore de véhicules terrestres. En fait le Rafale F4 revient dans le jeu brésilien au meilleur moment pour lui. D’abord le rythme des livraisons de Saab JAS 39E/F Gripen est toujours aussi lent, trop même si on en croit les médias brésiliens. Et ensuite la flotte de chasseurs F-5EM/FM Tiger II est immobilisée pour une durée indéterminée. De ce fait la Força Aérea Brasileira fait ici l’expérience de voler avec seulement quelques avions d’attaque au sol A-1M totalement inadaptés à la défense aérienne et avec moins d’une quinzaine de chasseurs multi-rôles F-39E/F Gripen. Rappelons que le Brésil en terme de superficie c’est 17 fois la France, ce n’est donc pas exactement un petit pays. Même si Dassault Aviation livre encore ses Rafale à un rythme jugé parfois lent c’est un avionneur qui n’a jamais souffert de retards considérables. Sauf peut-être durant la période de confinement du Covid-19, mais là tous les constructeurs étaient logés à la même enseigne ! Aussi cela se sait que l’industriel français est fiable à bien des égards, bien plus que son concurrent suédois. Et ça aux yeux des Brésiliens c’est forcément un argument massue. En outre ils peuvent compter sur leurs partenaires indiens, au sein de l’organisation BRICS, pour leur confirmer les qualités intrinsèques du jet clodoaldien. Enfin le Rafale a le vent en poupe au niveau continental, Colombiens et Péruviens l’ayant largement dans leurs collimateurs respectifs. Si les Brésiliens veulent continuer d’avoir la puissance dominante dans les cieux sud-américains ils doivent donc eux aussi faire l’acquisition d’exemplaires. Car sinon leurs Saab F-39E/F Gripen risquent bien d’avoir l’air miséreux en exercices internationaux face à des Dassault Aviation Rafale colombiens et/ou péruviens.
I am French and I of course prefer Rafale but I must admit Gripen is a very good plane too and I wouldn't have to face teams with both working together. Gripen deservs to find new markets instead of F35. I like the idea of landing on inprovised runways (could be a solution for Ukraine lately).
Ja jas behöver inte åka till något flygfält dessutom går den fort att tanka och lasta
With respect to the LASER warning question; the second window on the Gripen missile detector shown is an optional LASER warning sensor.
You get the answers you want by how you ask the questions. This is true.
They can both, and if we drag the Eurofighter into it, all three Winn against any opponent. This is true.
They all have their stronger and weaker capabilities. I'm Swedish and Gripen is my choice. I guess not many French people, British people or Germans would agree...🤣😂
First of all, comparing a single engine jet to a dual engine is like comparing apples with oranges. Of course a dual engine configuration will enable heavier payload including more fuel which will lead to longer range. That’s simply a physics fact. But there is a reason to why Sweden opted for a single engine configuration for the Gripen E, and that is cost. Lower cost can enable more aircraft for the same amount of money, which was a key design goal, and range and payload was deemed good enough. In fact, range and payload has increased from the Gripen C which was also deemed good enough from a Swedish context. So while the Rafale has a longer range and more payload, those features would not have made the Rafale a “winner” for Sweden (or customers with similar needs). These youtube videos with robot voices that compares synthetic benchmarks from spread sheets completely out of context is kind of tiresome and pointless. At least IMHO…
yup, each year we have youtube video comparing jet like that ahahah. It is annoying !
Obviously the guy who made this have no clue about radars, electronic and optronic systems. Counting number of antenna is irrelevant. It is the systems inside and software that is used that makes the difference. How the signals are processed, can it resolve the floating signals and variously modulated signals, hoping signals etc. In radar technology, software is equally important as hardware, especially for AESA radars. It is way to complex to explain in comment, but such comparison is ridiculous at least.
Also, Indian F3R are using IRST, that will now be part of F4 Rafale. France cannot introduce it as it's agency must test it and certify it, but it is already available and in use for some time.
Rafale has larger wheels, so it is better in that aspect... That is the level of quality of this video🤣🤣🤣
RAFALE can do "buddy tanking" !
Bonne présentation
I think both are amazing. I love Greece which I think by now has 30 Rafeles either in their hands or partly still incoming, aside if F35s, latest upgraded F16s etc
Rafeles are 2,5 times more expensive per aircraft and operating cost is at least twice than for the Gripen!
This is a fairly bad comparative analysis. First, one should identify which version is really compared. In this case, it seems that the Rafale F-3R version is being used and not the more modern F4.1, with improved electronics. There are also a number of inaccuracies in the data provided. But most importantly you cannot restrict a comparison to 3 criteria. For example, availability and maintenance are critical elements, as well as many other logistics and compatibility criteria. Range, robustness, ergonomics etc. are all important elements for comparison. The reason why Rafale came on top of I believe all the national trials that included both planes is because customers take into account a broad diversity of criteria. But at the end of the day, getting the "best" plane may not be the "best" choice for a country, and there are plenty of cases where a customer should take the Gripen over the Rafale even if the Rafale is usually considered as a better plane, because it fits its needs.
Note that f4 version is actually used
You are wrong about the version if I understand it correctly. As for other important things like RCS and Supercruice they both are good, Jas has a lower RCS and Rafale has faster Supercruice. One of Rafale strong points is that it can carry India Nukes. Jas can not be sold without a restriction on nukes. Therefore Rafale was a given for India.
In a genuine ww3 environment, being able to fly off a carrier makes the Rafale the winner.
Rafale also is the faster fighter of the lot from order to active to duty, so its more effectively maintained.
... and of course, the Rafale got a couple nukes too,
which kinda makes it game over
Nope!
Rafale speed mach 1.8, Gripen E mach 2.25
As a French i have to say the RAFALE is equiped with the M88 (the old SNECMA)...75Kn max.................... it is fuckiong not enough.
Pilot need 90Kn for refueling or make energy at high attitude, they talk about that publicly in interview btw.
SEA GRIPEN is a variant for CARRIER....
and yes ASMP is game changer... SCALP too ... MBDA build missiles for EU & Swedish.
Anyway, the jet is not something we can compare like that... dissmissed !
It depends on the user requirements as always but Gripen is the most cost effective fighter in the world at this point!
I think the mix of different fighters NATO has makes us more dangerous for the intended opponents.
United we stand 💪🏻
C’est n’importe quoi, j’attends de voir un Gripen face à un F22. Les US Vendent des F35 alors que le rafale gagne presque tous les concours.
This kind of comparisons, though entertaining, are pointless.
Take the radar …. what about modes and other details? And by the way Gripen's radar can locate and identify targets up to 120 km away, while the Rafale's RBE2-AA radar has a range of over 200 km.
And the EW system? Rafale‘s multi-spectral integrated defensive aids suite SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft) is possibly the most advanced system besides the F-35.
Gripen E Is Better.
Le nombre de pays qui ont choisi le Rafale clos définitivement ce débat 🇨🇵
Sweden has a very strict weapons export policy! France sell to almost anyone that pays! You better do a bit better research...
@@-NiEr yep you re right ahahah. But on the paper, may country prefer the rafale, for the jet but also for the policy. Of course we talk about RAFALE F4 not the old version.
We can be proud to have GRIPEN and Eurofighter with canard too ahahah yeah 🦆
3:51 I's a Typhoon not a Rafale on FLIR. The duck wings are under the cockpit. Even the air inlets are visible....
6:50 RafalÉ? RafalE.
lol grippen never combat proven ... rafale win easily !
By that logic the F-22 would be an easy best too. Think before you write.
Gripen did see combat over Algeria!
@@chadbernard2641 No but what is référence ?
Well, Rafale was not at the top at Red Flag in the US... F-22 first place etc. Check the video: _Gripen - The Forgotten Wars_
CQFD : Et si cette fois c’était la bonne ? En mars dernier une petite phrase prononcée par Emmanuel Macron mettait le feu aux poudres sur le dossier du remplacement des AMX A-1M et des Northrop F-5EM/FM Tiger II de la Força Aérea Brasileira. À l’approche du sommet du G20 à Rio de Janeiro dans trois semaine le dossier revient sur la table avec cette fois un chiffre : il serait question de vingt-quatre Dassault Aviation Rafale F4. Et puis aussi d’hélicoptères légers, de sous-marins, ou encore de véhicules terrestres.
En fait le Rafale F4 revient dans le jeu brésilien au meilleur moment pour lui. D’abord le rythme des livraisons de Saab JAS 39E/F Gripen est toujours aussi lent, trop même si on en croit les médias brésiliens. Et ensuite la flotte de chasseurs F-5EM/FM Tiger II est immobilisée pour une durée indéterminée. De ce fait la Força Aérea Brasileira fait ici l’expérience de voler avec seulement quelques avions d’attaque au sol A-1M totalement inadaptés à la défense aérienne et avec moins d’une quinzaine de chasseurs multi-rôles F-39E/F Gripen. Rappelons que le Brésil en terme de superficie c’est 17 fois la France, ce n’est donc pas exactement un petit pays.
Même si Dassault Aviation livre encore ses Rafale à un rythme jugé parfois lent c’est un avionneur qui n’a jamais souffert de retards considérables. Sauf peut-être durant la période de confinement du Covid-19, mais là tous les constructeurs étaient logés à la même enseigne ! Aussi cela se sait que l’industriel français est fiable à bien des égards, bien plus que son concurrent suédois. Et ça aux yeux des Brésiliens c’est forcément un argument massue. En outre ils peuvent compter sur leurs partenaires indiens, au sein de l’organisation BRICS, pour leur confirmer les qualités intrinsèques du jet clodoaldien. Enfin le Rafale a le vent en poupe au niveau continental, Colombiens et Péruviens l’ayant largement dans leurs collimateurs respectifs. Si les Brésiliens veulent continuer d’avoir la puissance dominante dans les cieux sud-américains ils doivent donc eux aussi faire l’acquisition d’exemplaires. Car sinon leurs Saab F-39E/F Gripen risquent bien d’avoir l’air miséreux en exercices internationaux face à des Dassault Aviation Rafale colombiens et/ou péruviens.