When you buy a Rafale, you're sure to be able to operate what you bought ... without risking the US to remotely deactivate it or collect ALL the data around it (the F35 way).
@@-TheP- Often strike missions are prepared and flown repeatedly in flight simulators until pilots are familiarised. This is the new normal so that is where the hard yards are practiced. I suspect that is where the IAF are rehearsing for a possible retaliation. Until it happens nobody will know what or when the format is.
Rafale is simply the best aircraft today, it can beat all other aircraft, it can do absolutly everything with an incredible brio and even from a carrier! it can beat all aircraft and no economic blackmail like american do !!
@@ChristopheMoenne-jh7ze .......no, nobody knows, never been done in real without reflecting parts the french add on the Ralale to hide its real performances which are classified
@@ChristopheMoenne-jh7zeRafale is inferior to the F22 in BVR also. But sometimes it is the missile not the aircraft that is the difference. Dog fighting is tactically never used as ' short range' IR missiles actually typically have 20k + ability and can outmanoeuvre aircraft with 60g turns and helmet queued launches.
In the entire history of aviation, Russian and American planes have never defeated French planes. The Israeli Mirage III had destroyed even wreaked havoc on the all the Su and the Russian-made MiGs during the war between Israel and the Arabs. The Indian Mirage 2000s have always defeated the Pakistani F16s, just as Greece did against the Turks. The Iraqi Mirages had defeated and even wreaked havoc on the Iranian air force during the war, Iran equipped with American Phantom aircraft.
I may be French but you are wrong and chosing only fact that proves your point, omiting the one who doesnt, such as the iraqi Mirage F1 getting stomped on by F14. Sure, i love french planes, and the Rafale is a unique gem but faced to a F22 it wont beat that easily
@@Risson91 rafal a fait 4-1 contre le f22 avec abandon des americain pour le 6 et 7 eme combat , (il avait fait 6-1 contre le f16) auj le rafal est consideré comme le meilleur avion du monde , les seuls a le contredire sont les americains ^^ il y a en prepa un nouveau proto
My Rafale !!!!!!! The French touch !!! The mecas, the pilots,the technologies !!!! Proud,sorry !. I love the Raptor,I think is the best......but F35... 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴. Raaaaffaaale 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇫🇷🇫🇷
The Rafale coould have sold in hundreds of units if it wasn't for the Americans coercing every country that was interested in buying the Rafale back in the early 2000s. Not sure how the French were able to do a breakthrough but many countries would rather buy the Rafle than the US F16 and F35.
I love the Americans who come to talk about the F35 in the comments because they have an inferiority complex with the Rafale, at the same time it winds as well as the F35 and is the only plane (with the Mirage 2000) to have beaten the f22
Everyone in the know appreciates the Rafale and has nothing but respect for the pilots. The French Navy flew for about three months including Dissimilar Air Combat Training with Hornets, Super Hornets, F-35s, F-22s and T-38s. The Rafale enjoys excellent sales because it has earned a reputation as a versatile platform. The Super Hornet, for example has only sold to the RAAF. The Rafale while being an expensive 4.5 Aircraft does employ excellent avionics, EW and will continue to improve as new weapons and sensors are added to it. It will be interesting to see what the Indian Air Force reports when they compare their Rafales to the MiG-29s, Su-30MKI and the Navy MiG-29Ks. As far as in training, no platform is undefeated. The F-22 is no different. T-38s, EA-18Gs, Rafales all have had "kills" against the F-22. DACT is training and training is learning. Last year, the 1st Fighter Wing hosted a number of NATO F-35 at Langley,AFB. The pilots flew with and against F-22s,T-38s and the F-16As from Top Aces. I have some friends who fly A-4s and Mirage F-1s and have "killed" everything from F-15Es to F/A-18s to F-22s. The US DoD invests so much money in Contractors as well as NAWDC,Red Flag,Red Flag Alaska, and various Reserve Squadrons because Air Combat is never a done deal. The Rafale has speed, power, sensors, range, impressive weapons loads and can land on French, US and hopefully in the future Indian Aircraft Carriers. Anyone who disregards the capability of the Rafale needs to speak to some real pilots, Aircrew and Operations people.
@@00calvinlee00 god bless you, you must be one of the rare person in this comment section with a brain, ofc the rafale and the f22 and the f35 but we can't compare them, at least in my opinion. But man you have a friend at top aces ? And you worked in the air force or something like that ? (sorry for my english im french)
@@windowsxp9815 F18 Hornet and Super Hornet are designed to be a Navy aircraft with folding wings . It is versatile and capable so was purchased by Australia, Canada, Finland, Spain and Switzerland as well as the USMC and USN . In the US F35 will eventually replace the Hornet but not for 20 years and Block III have 10,000hrs useful service. Constant upgrades to modern aircraft are normal so like Rafale they remain effective. Perhaps Rafale will have a body enhancement even ( but it does look better than all it's cousins ) only time will tell. We are about to enter a new era with drones, AI and pilots an optional extra ..TEMPUS FUGIT.
There is no inferiority complex. The Rafale is a beautiful aircraft and an amazing piece of aviation technology. It is very comparable to the F/A-18E/F. But it's capabilities are not on the level of the F-35, they just aren't. I know the F-35 does not win beauty contests but it is the most capable fighter plane available for export today.
I sat in one of those and an F-35. Civilian working on military bases. Can’t say much, really can’t but I can say wow. They’re amazing and yes, the Rafael does live up to the hype.
What makes the Rafale popular is that France does not impose an embargo on the military equipment it sells... This unfortunate habit that the USA has of subordinating the countries to which it sells military equipment...
@@backtotheblak oh god forbid the US has some semblance, a single iota of responsibility to ensure their exported aircraft aren’t being used recklessly or against its foreign policy. Give me a break lmao
Croatia wanted a cheap replacement for its old Migs and so it asks for offers and you always get a better deal if you chat with several people. Israel offered used F16s ( 12 for $500m ) but the US vetoed an export license, maybe because they offered new Block 70 F16 . Sweden pitched Gripen and Rafale eventually won . When a deal is struck you always hear a figure but reality is blurred by many factors like a loan price, or offset even training of pilots might cost $5m each do you get a maintenance/guarantee package etc. Few countries have endless money like Norway and are deemed reliable to allow export licenses etc. That isn't to say a certain degree of politics comes into play. Seldom is the choice straight forward.
@@backtotheblak great question with an answer that may surprise you.. they already owned it. Yes, the Afghan government already owned, were lended, or given most of that equipment. The Blackhawks, M-16a4s, Humvees, MRAPs, NVGs.. all sold to the Afghan Security Forces to be used against the Taliban. “That’s what was left behind. Not that the United States just walked away and abandoned a bunch of weapons in a pile in Afghanistan. That's simply not historically accurate.” - John Kirby, U.S. National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications. For some reason, everyone just loves to skip over this but it’s one of those obvious truths that people are too ashamed to be wrong about lol. Now, hindsight is obviously 20/20 and if the US would have known that Kabul would fall that fast, I’m sure other options would have been explored. But that’s a whole other argument
The rafale is more expensive than the F-35. And the only realistic thing that the rafale does better than the F-35 is its multitrole capability. But, if they were to ever face off, the F-35’s stealth and radar would demolish the rafale. Also, Serbia just bought 12 rafales and they are going to cost around 3 billion dollars. That’s about 5% of serbias GDP.
@@jamarplunkett3283 Remember only 40 odd Rafale can land on a carrier not the entire fleet. All modern fighter aircraft are multirole and Omnirole is just a marketing phrase as Rafale can't land on water like a Catalina flying boat or hover like a Harrier.
@@jamarplunkett3283 It's 1/3 to 1/2 of the costs by hour of flight... Acquisition is not the biggest issue, especially since they are in the same price range.
@@hermes6910 their not in the same price range. Serbia is paying 250 million for the rafale (export version) and Poland is paying 140 million for the F-35 A ( export version). That’s a 100+ million discrepancy. Even when including the operating cost, the rafale is still more expensive.
@@jamarplunkett3283 Yes and no... The Rafale costs around €80 million, as does the F35A (a little less, I think). But you're probably only talking about the cost per unit for the contract. Except that the contract includes a lot more than the aircraft itself and can change considerably from one customer to another. For example, Poland doesn't need a new missile or a large batch of missiles as theirs are already compatible with the F35. Serbia has to buy new missiles for the Rafale, or pay for the integration of the old ones. The same applies to training: aircraft from NATO to NATO are cheaper than training from Russia to NATO. Costs per contracts are hard to talk about because we don't necessary know everything in the contract.
While your statement about the Dassault Rafale's popularity is accurate, there are additional factors contributing to its appeal. One significant reason is the increasing reluctance of nations to procure Russian-made equipment due to the risk of Western sanctions. Indonesia, despite its longstanding desire to acquire the Sukhoi Su-35, has been compelled to seek alternative options to fill the gaps in its defense capabilities. The Rafale emerged as a suitable choice, aligning with Indonesia's broader goals of developing a domestic defense industry. While the nation is collaborating with South Korea on the KF-X project, the lack of core technology transfer from the South Koreans has hindered progress. To address this, Indonesia is now exploring the possibility of securing a full transfer of technology (TOT) for the Rafale from Dassault Aviation. However, the French company has reportedly set a condition: Indonesia must commit to purchasing an additional 58 Rafale jets beyond the 42 already ordered. If this deal materializes, Indonesia could potentially become a significant player in the development of 4.5-generation fighter jets. It's important to note that Indonesia's interest in the Sukhoi Su-35 remains strong, rooted in a long-standing and robust bilateral relationship with Russia. The acquisition of the Rafale is primarily driven by the need to replace aging aircraft like the Hawk 100 and Hawk 200, rather than as a replacement for the potential Su-35 purchase. Many Indonesians view the threat of US sanctions for purchasing Russian equipment as both hypocritical and counterproductive. It is widely perceived as an attempt by external powers to dictate the domestic affairs of sovereign nations. Indonesia maintains that Russia remains a valuable and trusted partner.
@@woodlabstore Indonesia building Rafale, or any similar aircraft, is a non starter as they have no experience/ expertise in aircraft manufacture, that would take decades to acquire and by then the Rafale would be obsolete. Perhaps a line assembling kit parts is possible but who would certify/guarantee airframes built fully from scratch? Dassault wouldn't give a TOT agreement to India so I can't see them doing so to anyone and they will not share their Nuclear Protocols with anyone! SAAB have done a TOT agreement with Brazil, for Gripen E, but that has taken 10 years to develop and for Embraer to begin building its first F39 and that is with a company that has built aircraft for 5 decades + .
@@NATObait indonesia has PT. DI which has been production turboprop aircrraft like CN 235, N 212 , but actually lack of know how for turbifan/jet aircraft
Rafale went to Red Flag in 2008 and lost 2 times to F16s of 309th. So even if it defeated a F22 it proves nothing except nothing is 100% . Rafales got defeated regularly by Mirage 2000s .
Wargames are just that. I have friends who fly A4s,T38s and Hunters that have "killed" F-16s, F-18s, F-15s and yes F-22s. The training is about teaching the pilot how not to made mistakes. Years ago we had three WWII Vets, all P-51 pilots who spent time with us student pilots. One had a kill on a Me262. The platform is part of the system. The weapons, the tankers, the GCI or AEW, the pilot, the Operations folks and the training. France is going to see that the Rafale buyers can use the Rafale effectively.
The US decided to bet everything on stealth, whereas French strategists deemed stealth irrelevant in future conflicts, considering the rapid evolution of radar technology with the help of quantum computing. Dassault, therefore, opted for a highly effective landscape mapping system that allows the Rafale to fly autonomously and at high speeds at low altitudes, below radar coverage. This makes the Rafale a potent jet today, and likely two decades from now, regardless of possible breakthroughs in radar tech. With all eyes on the F-35 and B-21, I'm pretty sure China will come up with a solution to render current stealth tech useless in future warfare, the same way a Serbian SAM operator figured out how to take down an F-117 for good by finding a loophole back in 1999, when the Nighthawk was deemed invisible, therefore invincible. "Do more with less" is how the French see it. The US should take note.
"whereas French strategists deemed stealth irrelevant in future conflicts" WTF are you talking about, the rafale has many features that reduce his signature, shape is not only way to do it
@@johndoe-cd9vt and? It's still true. They expect the radars to be so advanced that it won't be reasonably possible to have stealth jets to oppose them. And that's absolutely true, but not in the right timeframe. It will be at least a decade or two before stealth becomes obsolete, or at least, less relevant. For the same reason, we want to replace stealth cruise missiles with hypersonic missiles, even if they cost a lot more, because stealth missiles are becoming less and less effective.
@@Chiga-lt6vq You can look at the countries surrounding Egypt, all of them are destroyed, such as Libya from the east, Sudan and South Sudan from the south, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq from the west, in addition to Yemen, which controls Bab al-Mandab, which controls the Suez Canal, and from the north, American warships and gas in the eastern Mediterranean. All of this is because of Iran, so we must be careful.
if you want to know how good is the famous SPECTRA EW suit, in Libya, the Rafale could freely fly and operate in airspace protected by SAM without destroying them. The pilot would just use the jammer or even the main radar to blind enemies radar. (for exemple, it's like if you had a really powerfull flashlight and that you point on someone eyes, except you have four of them with a 360 degree coverage. most plane are like a light bulb that send jamming around them, so it's less effective)
@@NATObait the gripen was flying in securised airspace, so where their daddy america had destroyed the SAM. Rafale was actually usefull in the conflict because he was the only one that could do CAS or strike mission in heavely defended territory
@@exonys3838 What a load of crap the Rafales didn't find a radar site to hit until day 11 of the conflict the Tomahawks had done most of the hard work. It wasn't a network with S400 just a load of old left overs. The Gripens did find targets but they were not allowed to use weapons as the Swedes wanted to remain uninvolved in the destruction. If I remember the RAF used Brimstone against moving targets because Rafale couldn't hit those. Stick to facts not Bed time Stories. Leave the PR to professionals.
@@NATObait I never mentioned the Rafale hitting SAM. I said he could fight in protected airspace thanks to his EW capabilities. And the things about moving target is a lot of crap. Rafale destroyed tanks with exercise bomb filled with concrete to avoid civilian casualties, so the bombs on the Rafale were precise enought. (Btw he did destroyed an aircraft taxiing at 50+km and a tank at 55km, the tank was designated by ground forces). And for the typhoon I highly doubt it since at that time he still needed a tornado to designate the target, unlike the Rafale that could do a mission by himself since 2004
@@exonys3838 You mentioned ' heavily defended airspace ' and how only Rafale could deal with that using SPECTRA . I said Gripens also flew along doing the Recon, in the same area and didn't get targeted meaning they had similar abilities. I don't doubt a tank was knocked out ( I haven't checked ) but was it moving and why did the French Air Force ask to purchase Brimstone after witnessing it in action ? As I said the Rafale had a problem with MOVING TARGETS back then probably fixed now. As for aircraft type used by the RAF I was only referring to Brimstone and it's ability. Tornado aircraft used Storm Shadow and Brimstone missiles and again they were not targeted while overflying Libya. The airspace over Libya was not a complicated sophisticated defence umbrella, in fact most positions were abandoned by their crews and certainly the USN could have done this mission single handed. The reality was the US needed international cooperation and so the task was divided. So the Rafale was used but it certainly was not the only aircraft to be able to perform the task, many different aircraft were used from several countries including AV8B Harriers, F15, F16, F18 Growlers ,B2 , Eurofighter, Mirage 2000 etc etc. SPECTRA and it's ability is not known by many
@@abhisheknishad9264 according the US Senate, a high rank US air force, a government guy, said that the cost of the F35 and the non things he doesn't do and the monopoly of the company who build them, it's out of date. Better the last version of F16, or these plane. Lockheed Martin wants to substitute the plane ASAP...
you re right, but you miss one of the main reason of the success of the Rafale : country like Indonesia, Egypt (...) buy Rafale and not Russian plane because they don t want to be under sanction by the US
all wrong!!! India doesn't care what the USA might say, even Egypt! If the Rafale sells like hotcakes, it is because it has reached an excellent maturity, Russian planes are completely obsolete, even India which bought Rafales have abandoned the SU57 because this plane will be a problem like the SU30 MKI, expensive to maintain, complicated to maintain, unreliable, or not reliable at all, just listen to what the Indian Marshal who manages the Rafales says, he says that the Rafale is an exceptional plane and its man/machine interface almost from another watch, he had his contact with the first Rafale when he was 27 years old, if he had had only 10% of the Rafale's capabilities, his life would have been very different! he does not regret buying the Rafale, they are very easy to maintain, very reliable, efficient, it can do all types of missions easily and switch from one to another during the same flight!! The Rafale is the only 11G+ aircraft in the world, so it can take load factors higher than all other aircraft! Rafale C weighs 9850 kg, it carries 9500 kg of armament, it is a record for an aircraft less than 10 tons! and 14650 kg in armament and fuel, yet another Rafale! But, no one has yet seen the Rafale F5, future iteration of the Rafzle with extraordinary capabilities, such as a revolutionary radar, the RBE2 XG or TARAMMAA, capable of detecting an F35 at + 200 km, or detecting tiny that current fighter jets cannot detect! and the ability to be escorted by 1 to several drones! and this, in only 6 years!! many have Rafale F3R, France has been receiving the F4 version for several months! first series fighter plane with artificial intelligence to manage maintenance, with the future radar, it will be equipped with a second artificial intelligence! the Rafale has not finished its career, future Rafales will be exceptional!!!
@@LOLOVAL-os3pq I am not saying that Rafale is not a very good plane, but Egypt and Indonesia for example have chosen the SU 35 and finally change their way, fearing US sanctions
Je ne suis pas un spécialiste d'aviation, et je n'ai jamais monté dans un avion de ma vie. Mais il faut reconnaître qu'il est beau le Rafale. Il a de la gueule.
F22 is not a multirole fighter. It's an air superiority aircraft. Of course, F22 is a better dogfighter because it was designed for that and that only... F22 and Mirage are my 2 absolute war planes.
There is another factor explaining Rafale’s success: Geopolitics ! Rafale is now become a real alternative to … US planes (F-16, F-18 and F-35). It’s multirole and it also evolved a lot in 40 years. But even in the past, Rafale won a lot a contests, yet countries choose American air-fighters. Why? Today, Rafale is still better but NOW, the US flag is no more the extra guarantee it represented in the past decades. Thanx Trump ? Certainly. But not only. Now the world is more complex. And a European solution might be more neutral. And therefore better ?!
France have ordered 42 of the Rafale F4.1 for the AF and that price is $131m per aircraft ( do Google if you like ) while the USAF have paid LM $78m for the Block 14 in 2022. Inflation will increase the Global costs but probably the margin will remain at a similar level. This isn't a comparison of ability just a reminder of potential order sizes for the F35 which is around 2000+ . The reliability and CPFH are also a consideration and if you might be hit with sanctions in the future.
The competition between the F35 and Dassault Rafale is real. Although it is a 4.5 generation aircraft, the Dassault Rafale positions itself on par with the F35. It is certain that the aircraft will surpass the F35 after being upgraded with stealth capabilities, radar avionics and BVR weapons.😊
Doubtful. The Block IV upgrades will make the F-35 a 6th-generation fighter. It would be best if you researched that. North Carolinia University is developing a new stealth material that is a combination of polymers and ceramic materials that can easily withstand high temperatures without degrading.
@@teddyballgame4823 😂 Comparing 2 different generation aircraft is indeed not balanced. But in reality, more and more parties rely on the Dassault Rafale to balance the F35 because the agility and durability of the Dassault Rafale are superior to the F35. You can imagine if both are in a balanced position, especially since stealth technology will soon become a technology that has been mastered by many parties.
@@teddyballgame4823F35 is still a product in development : it has yet to see real combat in various situations, and one thing it is not is a fighter jet. It’s more,a long range bomber, launching its weapons from afar. Any air to air combat and it loses 9 times out of 5.
@@Ellinillard According to multiple reports, the F-35 typically achieves a kill ratio 20:1 in Red Flag exercises. For every "loss" of an F-35, it is credited with destroying 20 simulated enemy aircraft during combat scenarios. During Red Flag, which ended Friday, Goldfein said the aircraft was "exceeding our expectations when it comes to not only being able to survive but to prosecute targets.” One pilot who flew in the exercise reported that even novice pilots quickly " killed” fourth-generation aircraft during air-to-air combat. “My wingman was a brand new F-35A pilot, seven or eight flights out of training,” Col. Joshua Wood, 388th Operations Group commander, said in a news release. "He gets on the radio and tells an experienced, 3,000-hour pilot in a very capable fourth-generation aircraft: ‘Hey bud, you need to turn around. You’re about to die. There’s a threat of your nose.’” The younger pilot “killed” the simulated enemy aircraft and was able to rack up three more kills over the next hour. Yes, Israel has used the F-35A in combat, including in the air war on Gaza and Lebanon: Gaza: In July, an F-35 was used in an attack on a designated safe zone in Gaza, killing at least 90 people. Israel has also used F-35s to deliver 2,000 lb bombs in Gaza. Combat debut: The Israeli Air Force first used the F-35A in combat in 2018.
@@Ellinillard it’s incredible how uneducated the average UA-camr/Reddit poster is. Dude, go google any of the thousands of air to air combat forums and the unclassified answer is all right there.
France invented the baguette but not only …the Rafale, the Concorde (with UK), the TGV (high speed train), Ariane rocket (with some other European partners) and so much more …💙🤍❤️🇫🇷
Always liked the Rafale. Always considered it as a French version of Eurofighter. If I'm not mistaken EF is a colab of UK, Germany, Spain and Italy. France was probably invited to be part of the EF project and did not want to be part of this because they had Mirages and Rafales back then.
The Rafale is not the French version of the Eurofighter and vice versa. The two aircraft meet different requests, the Eurofighter favoring air superiority while the Rafale is much more versatile. In addition, the Rafale is suitable for use on aircraft carriers while the design of the Typhoon prohibits such use (landing gear, visibility, flight controls). The Rafale is lighter, a political will and of Dassault Aviation to have a cheaper aircraft and facilitate export.
@@paulx9329 U are Half right.....The two aircraft meet different requests is the only thing true. Rafale and EF are , at the beginning, the SAME program , and a collab of UK , Germany, Spain, Italy and France. But considering divergence with the developpement , FRANCE QUIT the collab and take the devellopement of his own..... BOTH programs ( France vs the others ) became opponents . The funny thing is , FRANCE, Via DASSAULT , MANAGED PERFECTLY the devellopement, and WHEN the RAFALE comes out , the EF was still a Prototype.......
@@lecheyenne62 Before the devellopement of the rafale and the EF, dassault was already working on the mirage 4000 wich is the base of the EF and the rafale.
@@MrChocobo12 Absolutely not..... Mirage 4000 was a independant program financed by Dassault and refused by French Governement / army. Indeed he was designed to be " Omny role" like rafale but he was deevlopped to be a HIGH performance Fighter (speed, and payload) He was just an Experimental plane , and only used to "TEST" some parts of the Rafale , like a test lab . He has nothing in common with Ef/rafale but more with the mirage 2000 . It was like a "super" mirage 2000....
@@lecheyenne62 Expertise gained from the prototype influenced a lot the development of teh rafale. Many systems were tested on it. The rafale woulgn't be like this without the mirage 4000
The operating cost of the rafale is around 20,000 and F-35 is 40,000. But, you also have to consider that the rafale cost 30-40% more than the F-35. With it being around 120 million and the F-35 A being around 80 million. It comes down to mission objectives. If you want a multitole jet that can carry a lot of ordinance, go with the rafale. If you want an air superiority fighter that snipes jets from BVR, go with the F-35.
@@JPmaxlevel😂 Bro the rafale is more expensive than the F-35 even when taking into account the operating cost. Serbia paying 3 billion for 12 non stealth jets is a scam.😂😂😂
Maybe because its cheaper .. compared to stuff like F/A-18E/F and F-15EX and you tend to be able to get more technology transfers while Americans will tend to be more tight control over the software for the F-18 or F-15EX..
In training the F22 has lost against many aircraft over the years even a USAF A10 Warthog was spotted with a nose detail of the Raptor. So if a Rafale did claim a F22 in training it is in a long list. The novice Rafale pilots train with Mirage 2000s and get beaten. Rafale went to Red Flag 2008 and lost twice against F16s of the 309th, so it just proves the need for dissimilar training.
Don't forget that the Europeans took the F35 to have US nuclear missiles, otherwise no nuclear shield. Ne pas oublier que les européens ont pris du F35 pour avoir des missiles nucléaires US, sinon pas de bouclier nucléaire.
The Legacy Hornet got a make over and a steroid injection to become the Super Hornet also the Gripen got an upsizing with new engine etc. So do you think Dassault might upgrade Rafale and maybe give it a nose job ( a retractable fuel probe ) to enhance its looks?
The fixed refueling pole is a deliberate choice made on operational requirements. Refueling is imperative for projecting fighters planes above their operational range. A retractable refueling pole involves motorization, mechanisms likely to have a failure thus resulting in simply loosing a plane in the wild. Aesthetic plays no role here.
@@septimusseverus7237 everybody is aware of the virtues of a fixed or retractable fuel probe even the male/female type. The fixed has it's problem in giving an increased radar return. My thought is Rafale has a small nose so fitting a larger radar, IRST , retractable refueling probe could be achieved with a ' nose job ' perhaps even making it look asteticaly pleasing as well.
IF i'm not wrong, stealth airplane is stealth to few radio-bands. It can be seen by ground based detection system using other bands (like UHF) or using passive receptor sync with generic radio transmitters like the GSM numerous BTS. On the other hands stealth is not so stealth when "target" aircraft is not alone and flights in detection conjonction at wide angular separation from the stealth aircraft. Nothing is black/white in here and become more grey as Technics evolves. Further more, the F35, to talk about he most marketed stealth aircraft, does have a bad thermal signature, being easy to spot for an IRST... And by the way the "target" does not need to fly at high altitude, thus detecting it become more difficult for an aircraft willing to remain stealth, it is not?
no mystery ... the US Fascists forced everyone to not buy Russians aircraft ..... so you don't want to buy US Fascist aircraft ..... what is your choice ?
The Rafale only gained global respect only and ONLY when the Egyptian air force placed orders for it, with my all do respect you can check the info on the internet from much more trusted sources than me
The rafael gained respect when India chose it in 2012 for its 126 MRFA programme. Contract negotiations fell through and india wasted some years before it ordered 36 units in 2016.
@@ChandramohanGovindIndian officials like endlessly talking but never ink a contract until a border skirmish occurs then they sign at inflated prices. Egypt wanted new aircraft but a certain neighbour vetoed potential purchases leaving Dassault ( with no ITAR Sanctions ) an easy choice. That said they are pleased and ordered a second batch. The second batch of Eurofighter Typhoon wanted by Saudi Arabia was vetoed by the flip flop German Greens .. But now France and Germany are planning a new replacement aircraft and Eric Trappier is handcuffed to the Germans. Life is full of surprises.
Gripens are excellent planes but are not used for the same purpose. They are designed for local operations, primarily for aerial defense. They cannot operate from aircraft carriers, carry 50% fewer weapons than the Rafale, and have a shorter range. They are also (obviously) 2 times cheaper
That's true. It is a good alternative for country which has not been exposed to the vicinity of countries with low levels of high technology. Hence the choice of Brazil.
If we talk about incremental cost, th Rafale is sold for 80M$ (average of all versions&configurations - It's more than 2 times cheaper than a F22, also for maintenance costs. About stealth materials: High cost: expensive technologies & maintenance. Limited performance: reduced maneuverability & payload. Vulnerability to other technologies: Not invisible to advanced radars, such as low-band and infrared ones. Rafale uses SPECTRA which is similar to AN/ALR-94
How many Russian planes have been shot down by Ukraine? 2 years later and Ukrainian planes are still flying? Aren't you ashamed, not even capable of defeating a country without a real air force?
1986 means it’s super old tech and probably falling behind Chinese JF fighters. No mention of dogfighting against US and Russian jets. How many real world kills ?
Rafale is now at 5th generation. The embedded systems are now completely different from what they were in 1986. By the way, the first flight of the F22 Raptor prototype was in 1990. Does it make it "old tech" ?
It is an omn-role aircraft; Dassault releases several versions of this aircraft without changing its name. The onboard technology is very advanced. For example, the latest version is the Rafale F4, which was released in 2021
Enfaîte on a décidé de mettre des pièces d'avions des années 20 pour qu'il soit bien en retard et surtout on fait la promesse de ne surtout pas l'améliorer. Bisous mon chat 😘
Libya, Mali, Iraq and Afghanistan 😂, all airspace are not contested, all western jets have never gone against an air defense system like the Russians plane are doing in Ukraine, the west only bully countries that can’t fight back 😂.
@@rajashashankgutta4334 lol s300 came in last 3 years your talking about 24 years ago what happened Now even in Middle East things have changed and either F35 or Rafale or any jet is not safe to fly over it. You will hear because of technical issues we lost the jet 😂😂😂
Wait...where do you think Airbus aircrafts are made ? Toulouse ? Isn't that in France ? Wish boeing as dependable as Airbus Where do you think M88 Rafale engines are made ? In the same plant than CFM engines for all Airbus and boeing aircraft.. near Paris. First human in the air ? Balloon Paris. First human flight ? You say Wright brothers USA I say Clement Ader toulouse. YES Airbus aircrafts are made in the place. With Concorde in between.
@@naga2015kk I didn't think your were racist to that point. But you know when you don't even write with your name but pseudo, I'm not so sure you can talk about "reliable".
People on here saying that the Rafale is better than the F-35 are either showing their ignorance, they're a Rafale fanboy or my favorite... Hate for anything US. While it is true that the Rafale is a true workhorse and a great multi role plane, the F-35 will simply fire his missile, turn around and think what else ger has to do while the Rafale piolet is still trying to find the F-35 on radar. There is no competition. The best bet is to catch an F-35 pilot hungover while flying. If he manages to do that and engage in a dogfight, then the Rafale may have an advantage. BUT... that's only until the F-35 gets its new engines. Then, it's bye bye Rafale. And as for those who just hate anything American.... You will be the first to get down on your knees and beg the US to protect you when Russia or China comes for you. Sure, you can say NATO. But who do you think makes up NATO's strength. 90% of NATO's strength is because of the US. I love the hate that we Americans get. keep it up. Those tears taste great!!!
The problem is that you are either an F-35 fanboy or you are ignorant. The Rafale does not need "relative physical stealth" because its stealth comes from its SPECTRA suite which blinds enemy radars and makes dozens of bridges appear on the radar screen that are anything but the Rafale. This is how to make an aircraft "stealthy" without sacrificing its flight capabilities, without costing billions of dollars for non-scalable and already practically obsolete technology.
Say the F-35 fanboy. If the F-35 fire a missile it lost the stealth. Stealth is not harry potter's magical cloak of invisibility. Funny how you are so sure about the Rafale absolutly can't spot the F-35, and also so sure about the EW suit of the Rafale can't do nothing against the F-35.
After the war in Ukraine that the US and NATO caused and already lost. Hardly anyone will ask for your help. Since all those who asked for US help became puppets of the US. When they see how they ended up in Afghanistan, Ukraine, Vietnam, Syria... Your US proxy puppets. Hardly anyone will be crazy to ask for your help, he must be ripe for the madhouse! All of them ended up as fugitives in the US, traitors to their people. Like in Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan when you fell out of the plane to escape... Hardly anyone will ask for your help, they would have to be totally crazy! Also, in 90% of cases, no one asked for you, but you occupied some countries or parts of territories, sovereign countries for the sake of your hegemony and benefits, for a military base or for the purpose of stealing resources and installed puppets in power, in the occupied territories. The puppets are mostly terrorists, Nazis ...These are the same ones who previously fell out of helicopters and planes while fleeing. Like in Ukraine, or in the occupied territory of the south of Serbia (Kosovo) ... As for the F-35, how many of them are actually flying and how many of them are really in good condition, how many of them have already crashed due to a malfunction?! problems with the engine, electronics ... And he didn't even participate in any war?! You call that an airplane?! The fact that you write that Stealth technology is something special and that it represents some advantage?! Only fools can imagine such nonsense?! The F-177 was shot down over Serbia with the NEVA-125 air defense system from the 50s of the last century! What would you think if your stealth plane ran into some serious air defense system of the latest generation?!
But seriously! we don't hate the Americans, but the Rafale has one of the world's most advanced passive defenses (4 defense systems). it's all very well to fire a missile, but it still has to hit..... moreover, the cost of flying is much lower! for your information, the F-35 says bye bye to it, because the Rafale has Méteor...the best medium-range missile in the world, and its radar is more than worth that of the F-35...so the iron can go fuck itself...
As a french, i have to say that USA are essential to protect West. But they can also rely on Europeans, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Japs and many others that i forget...
Despite being more advanced and slightly heavier, the F-35 is less expensive to acquire due to economies of scale and more efficient production; the aircraft sells for around $140 million for export, whereas the Rafale has sold for around $245 million per airframe.
@@amacca2085@amacca2085 They are referring to an actual production line, not development. The development of the Dassault Rafale fighter jet has spanned decades, with its origins dating back to the early 1980s.
The cost of 245 million os for a fully loaded Rafale including its spares and Long term maintenance contract. The 140 million for F35 is the cost of the basic jet
UAE cancelled their order after France arrested the CEO of Telegram, who holds UAE citizenship. One of the reasons why Middle Eastern countries are going for Rafale is because Israel doesn't want USA to sell F-35 to them. You didn't mention Rafale's agility or the 2009 mock combat where it beat F-22 Raptor.
I love the Frenchman in the comments coping about their France finally being able to produce an aircraft thinking it’s the best in the world when in reality it’s even inferior to Russian Migs and Sukhois and can’t even compete with a 1970 F-16 😂😂😂 Btw, most of the footage are of an American aircraft carrier.
'finally'. I love these US people who aren't even capable of finishing high school and who comment on industrial and geopolitical stuff without knowing anything about the subject, let alone talking about history... Just keep your burger in the hands, don't use a keyboard.
@@hermes6910 I am sorry that you guys can’t afford hamburgers or more Aircraft Carriers (Hence, why you keep using ours to train your Rafale pilots) Don’t worry, one day you guys will stop being poor and will be able to afford hamburgers and showering daily.
It's all about value for money. The Rafale is good at everything it has to do and has proven it. But the multirole aspect doesn't allow you to be the best in a specific role against a specialized aircraft, like the F22 (much more expensive) in terms of air superiority for example. But a good pilot can get the upper hand. Now, it's no secret that the USA is a huge disinformation company, and that its nationals too often indulge in high-sounding terms, like 5th generation blah blah and are very full of themselves (like: what's not from here is crap). The F35 program is currently a fiasco, maintenance costs an arm and a leg every time and the only selling point that keeps sales going is the nuclear carriage (which is also a Rafale capability in case you didn't know). Whether you like it or not, the Rafale is a deserved success.
@@hermes6910 stop projecting and acting like a little bitch. We get it, you’re jealous from our military. Btw, I am willing to be I have more college degrees than you do 😝
@@FA18Trainingc'est toi qui devrait avoir honte de comparer des chasseurs sans aucune âme avec le mirage 2000. Vous comprenez même pas l'intérêt des ailes delta pourtant vous ouvrez vos grandes bouches. C'est fou ça
@@Fabio-om4kb Je ne compare pas les chasseurs, encore moins leur âme, car je ne suis pas qualifié pour le faire. Je ne compare que leur ligne esthétique. Les ailes delta ont un certain charme comme les doubles stabilisateurs verticaux en V (FA18) ou la verrière sans montant (F16). Mais cela peut être gâché par une entrée d'air ventrale (F16) ou une perche de ravitaillement (rafale) non escamotable. Toute comparaison sur l'esthétisme est purement subjective.
When you buy a Rafale, you're sure to be able to operate what you bought ... without risking the US to remotely deactivate it or collect ALL the data around it (the F35 way).
if you don't have aproblem with it before that 😂
@@JPmaxlevel ok troll
@@JPmaxlevelComme on dit chez nous les cons ça osent tout c'est à ça qu'on les reconnaît😅😂
Is that a good thing really ? I think export controls are ESSENTIAL to ensure weapons don't end up in the wrong hands.
@@-TheP- Often strike missions are prepared and flown repeatedly in flight simulators until pilots are familiarised. This is the new normal so that is where the hard yards are practiced. I suspect that is where the IAF are rehearsing for a possible retaliation. Until it happens nobody will know what or when the format is.
Rafale is simply the best aircraft today, it can beat all other aircraft, it can do absolutly everything with an incredible brio and even from a carrier! it can beat all aircraft and no economic blackmail like american do !!
Except it is inferior to F35 in BVR air combat.
@@ChristopheMoenne-jh7ze .......no, nobody knows, never been done in real without reflecting parts the french add on the Ralale to hide its real performances which are classified
@@ChristopheMoenne-jh7ze Demande à voir
@@ChristopheMoenne-jh7ze Bullshit
@@ChristopheMoenne-jh7zeRafale is inferior to the F22 in BVR also. But sometimes it is the missile not the aircraft that is the difference. Dog fighting is tactically never used as ' short range' IR missiles actually typically have 20k + ability and can outmanoeuvre aircraft with 60g turns and helmet queued launches.
In the entire history of aviation, Russian and American planes have never defeated French planes.
The Israeli Mirage III had destroyed even wreaked havoc on the all the Su and the Russian-made MiGs during the war between Israel and the Arabs.
The Indian Mirage 2000s have always defeated the Pakistani F16s, just as Greece did against the Turks.
The Iraqi Mirages had defeated and even wreaked havoc on the Iranian air force during the war, Iran equipped with American Phantom aircraft.
I may be French but you are wrong and chosing only fact that proves your point, omiting the one who doesnt, such as the iraqi Mirage F1 getting stomped on by F14.
Sure, i love french planes, and the Rafale is a unique gem but faced to a F22 it wont beat that easily
Since when did Greek Aircrafts destroyed Turkish F-16s ? I am sincerelly asking bytheway, during Cypriot war or something ?
@@Risson91 rafal a fait 4-1 contre le f22 avec abandon des americain pour le 6 et 7 eme combat , (il avait fait 6-1 contre le f16)
auj le rafal est consideré comme le meilleur avion du monde , les seuls a le contredire sont les americains ^^
il y a en prepa un nouveau proto
@@yetkinbilgen3430An interception of a turkish f16 by a greak mirage easy to find on internet. Not a war, of course.
@@yetkinbilgen3430 Since 8 October 1996
The Rafale is my favorite, and Mexico should acquire it to modernize its air Force. The design is just awesome.
It's a Lamborghini in the sky!
Bugatti 🇫🇷💕👍😁
What Makes It So Popular?
Because it looks cool 😎
My Rafale !!!!!!! The French touch !!! The mecas, the pilots,the technologies !!!!
Proud,sorry !. I love the Raptor,I think is the best......but F35... 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴.
Raaaaffaaale 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇫🇷🇫🇷
same ,so far....We pay musicians at the end of the bal.
Look at those mirages, they are still operational to this day. It’s like the Toyota of jets. A workhorse which does its job flawlessly.
Didn't really say much about its EW Suite dubbed *SPECTRA* which deserves its own video 📺📡
SPECTRA is Top Secret so only vague comments are not worth posting and few people know ( and not even the pilots ).
@@NATObait The SPECTRA can shutdown enemy's radar. No other plane can do that.
@@generaloneill5460 wrong
The Rafale coould have sold in hundreds of units if it wasn't for the Americans coercing every country that was interested in buying the Rafale back in the early 2000s. Not sure how the French were able to do a breakthrough but many countries would rather buy the Rafle than the US F16 and F35.
I love the Americans who come to talk about the F35 in the comments because they have an inferiority complex with the Rafale, at the same time it winds as well as the F35 and is the only plane (with the Mirage 2000) to have beaten the f22
Everyone in the know appreciates the Rafale and has nothing but respect for the pilots. The French Navy flew for about three months including Dissimilar Air Combat Training with Hornets, Super Hornets, F-35s, F-22s and T-38s. The Rafale enjoys excellent sales because it has earned a reputation as a versatile platform. The Super Hornet, for example has only sold to the RAAF. The Rafale while being an expensive 4.5 Aircraft does employ excellent avionics, EW and will continue to improve as new weapons and sensors are added to it. It will be interesting to see what the Indian Air Force reports when they compare their Rafales to the MiG-29s, Su-30MKI and the Navy MiG-29Ks. As far as in training, no platform is undefeated. The F-22 is no different. T-38s, EA-18Gs, Rafales all have had "kills" against the F-22. DACT is training and training is learning. Last year, the 1st Fighter Wing hosted a number of NATO F-35 at Langley,AFB. The pilots flew with and against F-22s,T-38s and the F-16As from Top Aces. I have some friends who fly A-4s and Mirage F-1s and have "killed" everything from F-15Es to F/A-18s to F-22s. The US DoD invests so much money in Contractors as well as NAWDC,Red Flag,Red Flag Alaska, and various Reserve Squadrons because Air Combat is never a done deal. The Rafale has speed, power, sensors, range, impressive weapons loads and can land on French, US and hopefully in the future Indian Aircraft Carriers. Anyone who disregards the capability of the Rafale needs to speak to some real pilots, Aircrew and Operations people.
@@00calvinlee00 god bless you, you must be one of the rare person in this comment section with a brain, ofc the rafale and the f22 and the f35 but we can't compare them, at least in my opinion. But man you have a friend at top aces ? And you worked in the air force or something like that ? (sorry for my english im french)
@@windowsxp9815 F18 Hornet and Super Hornet are designed to be a Navy aircraft with folding wings . It is versatile and capable so was purchased by Australia, Canada, Finland, Spain and Switzerland as well as the USMC and USN . In the US F35 will eventually replace the Hornet but not for 20 years and Block III have 10,000hrs useful service. Constant upgrades to modern aircraft are normal so like Rafale they remain effective. Perhaps Rafale will have a body enhancement even ( but it does look better than all it's cousins ) only time will tell. We are about to enter a new era with drones, AI and pilots an optional extra ..TEMPUS FUGIT.
“Inferiority Complex” ?? I don’t think so…keep deluding yourself. It is a good aircraft, but I’ll take an F-35 any day.
There is no inferiority complex. The Rafale is a beautiful aircraft and an amazing piece of aviation technology. It is very comparable to the F/A-18E/F. But it's capabilities are not on the level of the F-35, they just aren't. I know the F-35 does not win beauty contests but it is the most capable fighter plane available for export today.
I sat in one of those and an F-35. Civilian working on military bases. Can’t say much, really can’t but I can say wow. They’re amazing and yes, the Rafael does live up to the hype.
What makes the Rafale popular is that France does not impose an embargo on the military equipment it sells...
This unfortunate habit that the USA has of subordinating the countries to which it sells military equipment...
@@backtotheblak oh god forbid the US has some semblance, a single iota of responsibility to ensure their exported aircraft aren’t being used recklessly or against its foreign policy. Give me a break lmao
@@michaelwu9450 What kind of responsibility did they have in Afghanistan by leaving behind the largest arsenal in history? lmao
Croatia wanted a cheap replacement for its old Migs and so it asks for offers and you always get a better deal if you chat with several people. Israel offered used F16s ( 12 for $500m ) but the US vetoed an export license, maybe because they offered new Block 70 F16 . Sweden pitched Gripen and Rafale eventually won .
When a deal is struck you always hear a figure but reality is blurred by many factors like a loan price, or offset even training of pilots might cost $5m each do you get a maintenance/guarantee package etc. Few countries have endless money like Norway and are deemed reliable to allow export licenses etc. That isn't to say a certain degree of politics comes into play. Seldom is the choice straight forward.
@@backtotheblak great question with an answer that may surprise you.. they already owned it. Yes, the Afghan government already owned, were lended, or given most of that equipment. The Blackhawks, M-16a4s, Humvees, MRAPs, NVGs.. all sold to the Afghan Security Forces to be used against the Taliban.
“That’s what was left behind. Not that the United States just walked away and abandoned a bunch of weapons in a pile in Afghanistan. That's simply not historically accurate.” - John Kirby, U.S. National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications.
For some reason, everyone just loves to skip over this but it’s one of those obvious truths that people are too ashamed to be wrong about lol.
Now, hindsight is obviously 20/20 and if the US would have known that Kabul would fall that fast, I’m sure other options would have been explored. But that’s a whole other argument
Malvinas war: They stopped delivering the exocets previously ordered to Argentina 🇦🇷
Rafale is omnirole and cost effective, whereas F35 is more a bomber than a fighter, costs 5% of GDP and all the data is collected by the US ;)
The rafale is more expensive than the F-35. And the only realistic thing that the rafale does better than the F-35 is its multitrole capability.
But, if they were to ever face off, the F-35’s stealth and radar would demolish the rafale.
Also, Serbia just bought 12 rafales and they are going to cost around 3 billion dollars. That’s about 5% of serbias GDP.
@@jamarplunkett3283 Remember only 40 odd Rafale can land on a carrier not the entire fleet. All modern fighter aircraft are multirole and Omnirole is just a marketing phrase as Rafale can't land on water like a Catalina flying boat or hover like a Harrier.
@@jamarplunkett3283 It's 1/3 to 1/2 of the costs by hour of flight...
Acquisition is not the biggest issue, especially since they are in the same price range.
@@hermes6910 their not in the same price range. Serbia is paying 250 million for the rafale (export version) and Poland is paying 140 million for the F-35 A ( export version). That’s a 100+ million discrepancy. Even when including the operating cost, the rafale is still more expensive.
@@jamarplunkett3283 Yes and no...
The Rafale costs around €80 million, as does the F35A (a little less, I think).
But you're probably only talking about the cost per unit for the contract.
Except that the contract includes a lot more than the aircraft itself and can change considerably from one customer to another.
For example, Poland doesn't need a new missile or a large batch of missiles as theirs are already compatible with the F35.
Serbia has to buy new missiles for the Rafale, or pay for the integration of the old ones.
The same applies to training: aircraft from NATO to NATO are cheaper than training from Russia to NATO.
Costs per contracts are hard to talk about because we don't necessary know everything in the contract.
Morocco will buy too
Pour nos amis marocains, ont vous en empêchera pas alors.
While your statement about the Dassault Rafale's popularity is accurate, there are additional factors contributing to its appeal. One significant reason is the increasing reluctance of nations to procure Russian-made equipment due to the risk of Western sanctions. Indonesia, despite its longstanding desire to acquire the Sukhoi Su-35, has been compelled to seek alternative options to fill the gaps in its defense capabilities.
The Rafale emerged as a suitable choice, aligning with Indonesia's broader goals of developing a domestic defense industry. While the nation is collaborating with South Korea on the KF-X project, the lack of core technology transfer from the South Koreans has hindered progress. To address this, Indonesia is now exploring the possibility of securing a full transfer of technology (TOT) for the Rafale from Dassault Aviation. However, the French company has reportedly set a condition: Indonesia must commit to purchasing an additional 58 Rafale jets beyond the 42 already ordered.
If this deal materializes, Indonesia could potentially become a significant player in the development of 4.5-generation fighter jets. It's important to note that Indonesia's interest in the Sukhoi Su-35 remains strong, rooted in a long-standing and robust bilateral relationship with Russia. The acquisition of the Rafale is primarily driven by the need to replace aging aircraft like the Hawk 100 and Hawk 200, rather than as a replacement for the potential Su-35 purchase.
Many Indonesians view the threat of US sanctions for purchasing Russian equipment as both hypocritical and counterproductive. It is widely perceived as an attempt by external powers to dictate the domestic affairs of sovereign nations. Indonesia maintains that Russia remains a valuable and trusted partner.
@@woodlabstore Indonesia building Rafale, or any similar aircraft, is a non starter as they have no experience/ expertise in aircraft manufacture, that would take decades to acquire and by then the Rafale would be obsolete. Perhaps a line assembling kit parts is possible but who would certify/guarantee airframes built fully from scratch?
Dassault wouldn't give a TOT agreement to India so I can't see them doing so to anyone and they will not share their Nuclear Protocols with anyone!
SAAB have done a TOT agreement with Brazil, for Gripen E, but that has taken 10 years to develop and for Embraer to begin building its first F39 and that is with a company that has built aircraft for 5 decades + .
@@NATObait indonesia has PT. DI which has been production turboprop aircrraft like CN 235, N 212 , but actually lack of know how for turbifan/jet aircraft
WE have won a dogfight against a f22 in 2009
Wasn't it the Raffaele that won over an F22 in a wargame by locking onto it when it was in visual range?
Rafale went to Red Flag in 2008 and lost 2 times to F16s of 309th. So even if it defeated a F22 it proves nothing except nothing is 100% . Rafales got defeated regularly by Mirage 2000s .
@@NATObait Il y a la machine, et il y a le pilote.....
Wargames are just that. I have friends who fly A4s,T38s and Hunters that have "killed" F-16s, F-18s, F-15s and yes F-22s. The training is about teaching the pilot how not to made mistakes. Years ago we had three WWII Vets, all P-51 pilots who spent time with us student pilots. One had a kill on a Me262. The platform is part of the system. The weapons, the tankers, the GCI or AEW, the pilot, the Operations folks and the training. France is going to see that the Rafale buyers can use the Rafale effectively.
@@NATObait2 lost vs...21 win!😂 6 different aircrafts but yeah.. if it makes you feel better😂
@@JPmaxlevel Perhaps the reason why French Rafales don't go back to Red Flag is they want to maintain the illusion of the PR myth.
Vive la France 🇫🇷
The US decided to bet everything on stealth, whereas French strategists deemed stealth irrelevant in future conflicts, considering the rapid evolution of radar technology with the help of quantum computing.
Dassault, therefore, opted for a highly effective landscape mapping system that allows the Rafale to fly autonomously and at high speeds at low altitudes, below radar coverage. This makes the Rafale a potent jet today, and likely two decades from now, regardless of possible breakthroughs in radar tech. With all eyes on the F-35 and B-21, I'm pretty sure China will come up with a solution to render current stealth tech useless in future warfare, the same way a Serbian SAM operator figured out how to take down an F-117 for good by finding a loophole back in 1999, when the Nighthawk was deemed invisible, therefore invincible. "Do more with less" is how the French see it. The US should take note.
That's false.
It was just a question of budget.
@@hermes6910 Of course! "Do more with less" - Technology was also already developped for the Mirage 2000...
Oui ils ont décidé a l'époque de faire un compromis entre les performances aérodynamique et la discrétion radar.
"whereas French strategists deemed stealth irrelevant in future conflicts" WTF are you talking about, the rafale has many features that reduce his signature, shape is not only way to do it
@@johndoe-cd9vt and? It's still true.
They expect the radars to be so advanced that it won't be reasonably possible to have stealth jets to oppose them.
And that's absolutely true, but not in the right timeframe.
It will be at least a decade or two before stealth becomes obsolete, or at least, less relevant.
For the same reason, we want to replace stealth cruise missiles with hypersonic missiles, even if they cost a lot more, because stealth missiles are becoming less and less effective.
Thanks God , Egypt has more than 55 Jets & 25 in order + we will dealing with Dassu Aviation to produce it in Egypt
Nice , but without meteor the plane is loosing a lot of its capabilities
@@ΣτελιοςΒουγιουκαλακης no country around Israël are allowed to have superior air to air missile. It's an international treaty.
@@भारतीयहिंदू1 Rafale have blind a su-35 radar and system without difficulty. Russian plane are far behind
Why egypt need jet tho
Who are ur ops?
@@Chiga-lt6vq You can look at the countries surrounding Egypt, all of them are destroyed, such as Libya from the east, Sudan and South Sudan from the south, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq from the west, in addition to Yemen, which controls Bab al-Mandab, which controls the Suez Canal, and from the north, American warships and gas in the eastern Mediterranean. All of this is because of Iran, so we must be careful.
if you want to know how good is the famous SPECTRA EW suit, in Libya, the Rafale could freely fly and operate in airspace protected by SAM without destroying them. The pilot would just use the jammer or even the main radar to blind enemies radar. (for exemple, it's like if you had a really powerfull flashlight and that you point on someone eyes, except you have four of them with a 360 degree coverage. most plane are like a light bulb that send jamming around them, so it's less effective)
@@exonys3838 Gripens flew around Libya also doing the RECON missions and they didn't get targeted either, they have their own tricks just like Rafale.
@@NATObait the gripen was flying in securised airspace, so where their daddy america had destroyed the SAM. Rafale was actually usefull in the conflict because he was the only one that could do CAS or strike mission in heavely defended territory
@@exonys3838 What a load of crap the Rafales didn't find a radar site to hit until day 11 of the conflict the Tomahawks had done most of the hard work. It wasn't a network with S400 just a load of old left overs. The Gripens did find targets but they were not allowed to use weapons as the Swedes wanted to remain uninvolved in the destruction. If I remember the RAF used Brimstone against moving targets because Rafale couldn't hit those. Stick to facts not Bed time Stories. Leave the PR to professionals.
@@NATObait I never mentioned the Rafale hitting SAM. I said he could fight in protected airspace thanks to his EW capabilities. And the things about moving target is a lot of crap. Rafale destroyed tanks with exercise bomb filled with concrete to avoid civilian casualties, so the bombs on the Rafale were precise enought. (Btw he did destroyed an aircraft taxiing at 50+km and a tank at 55km, the tank was designated by ground forces). And for the typhoon I highly doubt it since at that time he still needed a tornado to designate the target, unlike the Rafale that could do a mission by himself since 2004
@@exonys3838 You mentioned ' heavily defended airspace ' and how only Rafale could deal with that using SPECTRA . I said Gripens also flew along doing the Recon, in the same area and didn't get targeted meaning they had similar abilities. I don't doubt a tank was knocked out ( I haven't checked ) but was it moving and why did the French Air Force ask to purchase Brimstone after witnessing it in action ? As I said the Rafale had a problem with MOVING TARGETS back then probably fixed now. As for aircraft type used by the RAF I was only referring to Brimstone and it's ability. Tornado aircraft used Storm Shadow and Brimstone missiles and again they were not targeted while overflying Libya.
The airspace over Libya was not a complicated sophisticated defence umbrella, in fact most positions were abandoned by their crews and certainly the USN could have done this mission single handed. The reality was the US needed international cooperation and so the task was divided. So the Rafale was used but it certainly was not the only aircraft to be able to perform the task, many different aircraft were used from several countries including AV8B Harriers, F15, F16, F18 Growlers ,B2 , Eurofighter, Mirage 2000 etc etc. SPECTRA and it's ability is not known by many
Better than F35. At least cheaper and multirole
Its not cheaper then F35
Delusional.
No it's not better than F-35 Where is difference between Fifth Generation and Fourth Generation
@@stefanaleksic4113 The cost of maintaining the F35 is $42,000/hour, not to mention that the costs of the F35 program have exceeded 2,000 billion.
@@abhisheknishad9264 according the US Senate, a high rank US air force, a government guy, said that the cost of the F35 and the non things he doesn't do and the monopoly of the company who build them, it's out of date. Better the last version of F16, or these plane. Lockheed Martin wants to substitute the plane ASAP...
Would say Egypt lol, Egypt was the first country to buy it and after it did many other countries showed interest in the rafale
It's easier to put a better avionics in a plane which flies well, than to make a datacenter fly well
you re right, but you miss one of the main reason of the success of the Rafale : country like Indonesia, Egypt (...) buy Rafale and not Russian plane because they don t want to be under sanction by the US
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Nope lol😅
all wrong!!! India doesn't care what the USA might say, even Egypt! If the Rafale sells like hotcakes, it is because it has reached an excellent maturity, Russian planes are completely obsolete, even India which bought Rafales have abandoned the SU57 because this plane will be a problem like the SU30 MKI, expensive to maintain, complicated to maintain, unreliable, or not reliable at all, just listen to what the Indian Marshal who manages the Rafales says, he says that the Rafale is an exceptional plane and its man/machine interface almost from another watch, he had his contact with the first Rafale when he was 27 years old, if he had had only 10% of the Rafale's capabilities, his life would have been very different! he does not regret buying the Rafale, they are very easy to maintain, very reliable, efficient, it can do all types of missions easily and switch from one to another during the same flight!! The Rafale is the only 11G+ aircraft in the world, so it can take load factors higher than all other aircraft! Rafale C weighs 9850 kg, it carries 9500 kg of armament, it is a record for an aircraft less than 10 tons! and 14650 kg in armament and fuel, yet another Rafale! But, no one has yet seen the Rafale F5, future iteration of the Rafzle with extraordinary capabilities, such as a revolutionary radar, the RBE2 XG or TARAMMAA, capable of detecting an F35 at + 200 km, or detecting tiny that current fighter jets cannot detect! and the ability to be escorted by 1 to several drones! and this, in only 6 years!! many have Rafale F3R, France has been receiving the F4 version for several months! first series fighter plane with artificial intelligence to manage maintenance, with the future radar, it will be equipped with a second artificial intelligence! the Rafale has not finished its career, future Rafales will be exceptional!!!
India was not on the shopping list for F35 due to it's Russian purchases so not an option.
@@LOLOVAL-os3pq I am not saying that Rafale is not a very good plane, but Egypt and Indonesia for example have chosen the SU 35 and finally change their way, fearing US sanctions
Best option than US or Russia 😅
Je ne suis pas un spécialiste d'aviation, et je n'ai jamais monté dans un avion de ma vie. Mais il faut reconnaître qu'il est beau le Rafale. Il a de la gueule.
J'ai monté une côte mais je suis monté dans un avion...
As long as the F-22 is not available outside US, for a lot of countries the Rafales is a great option, better than the F-16 imao.
F22 is not a multirole fighter. It's an air superiority aircraft. Of course, F22 is a better dogfighter because it was designed for that and that only... F22 and Mirage are my 2 absolute war planes.
Simply the best ! Just see videos about contests, in Switzerland for example.
There is another factor explaining Rafale’s success: Geopolitics ! Rafale is now become a real alternative to … US planes (F-16, F-18 and F-35). It’s multirole and it also evolved a lot in 40 years. But even in the past, Rafale won a lot a contests, yet countries choose American air-fighters. Why? Today, Rafale is still better but NOW, the US flag is no more the extra guarantee it represented in the past decades. Thanx Trump ? Certainly. But not only. Now the world is more complex. And a European solution might be more neutral. And therefore better ?!
Beautiful plane!
France have ordered 42 of the Rafale F4.1 for the AF and that price is $131m per aircraft ( do Google if you like ) while the USAF have paid LM $78m for the Block 14 in 2022. Inflation will increase the Global costs but probably the margin will remain at a similar level.
This isn't a comparison of ability just a reminder of potential order sizes for the F35 which is around 2000+ . The reliability and CPFH are also a consideration and if you might be hit with sanctions in the future.
Pas mal non... ? C'est Français !
The competition between the F35 and Dassault Rafale is real. Although it is a 4.5 generation aircraft, the Dassault Rafale positions itself on par with the F35. It is certain that the aircraft will surpass the F35 after being upgraded with stealth capabilities, radar avionics and BVR weapons.😊
Doubtful. The Block IV upgrades will make the F-35 a 6th-generation fighter. It would be best if you researched that. North Carolinia University is developing a new stealth material that is a combination of polymers and ceramic materials that can easily withstand high temperatures without degrading.
@@teddyballgame4823 😂 Comparing 2 different generation aircraft is indeed not balanced. But in reality, more and more parties rely on the Dassault Rafale to balance the F35 because the agility and durability of the Dassault Rafale are superior to the F35. You can imagine if both are in a balanced position, especially since stealth technology will soon become a technology that has been mastered by many parties.
@@teddyballgame4823F35 is still a product in development : it has yet to see real combat in various situations, and one thing it is not is a fighter jet. It’s more,a long range bomber, launching its weapons from afar. Any air to air combat and it loses 9 times out of 5.
@@Ellinillard According to multiple reports, the F-35 typically achieves a kill ratio 20:1 in Red Flag exercises. For every "loss" of an F-35, it is credited with destroying 20 simulated enemy aircraft during combat scenarios.
During Red Flag, which ended Friday, Goldfein said the aircraft was "exceeding our expectations when it comes to not only being able to survive but to prosecute targets.” One pilot who flew in the exercise reported that even novice pilots quickly " killed” fourth-generation aircraft during air-to-air combat.
“My wingman was a brand new F-35A pilot, seven or eight flights out of training,” Col. Joshua Wood, 388th Operations Group commander, said in a news release. "He gets on the radio and tells an experienced, 3,000-hour pilot in a very capable fourth-generation aircraft: ‘Hey bud, you need to turn around. You’re about to die. There’s a threat of your nose.’”
The younger pilot “killed” the simulated enemy aircraft and was able to rack up three more kills over the next hour.
Yes, Israel has used the F-35A in combat, including in the air war on Gaza and Lebanon:
Gaza: In July, an F-35 was used in an attack on a designated safe zone in Gaza, killing at least 90 people. Israel has also used F-35s to deliver 2,000 lb bombs in Gaza.
Combat debut: The Israeli Air Force first used the F-35A in combat in 2018.
@@Ellinillard it’s incredible how uneducated the average UA-camr/Reddit poster is. Dude, go google any of the thousands of air to air combat forums and the unclassified answer is all right there.
France invented the baguette but not only …the Rafale, the Concorde (with UK), the TGV (high speed train), Ariane rocket (with some other European partners) and so much more …💙🤍❤️🇫🇷
Maybe because some other jets still haven’t engaged in combat
And what makes the Rafale interesting is proven capabilities
To avoid conflict between usa and rusia
When the thing comes with budget ....it's complexity hide compromise
Always liked the Rafale. Always considered it as a French version of Eurofighter. If I'm not mistaken EF is a colab of UK, Germany, Spain and Italy. France was probably invited to be part of the EF project and did not want to be part of this because they had Mirages and Rafales back then.
The Rafale is not the French version of the Eurofighter and vice versa. The two aircraft meet different requests, the Eurofighter favoring air superiority while the Rafale is much more versatile. In addition, the Rafale is suitable for use on aircraft carriers while the design of the Typhoon prohibits such use (landing gear, visibility, flight controls). The Rafale is lighter, a political will and of Dassault Aviation to have a cheaper aircraft and facilitate export.
@@paulx9329 U are Half right.....The two aircraft meet different requests is the only thing true.
Rafale and EF are , at the beginning, the SAME program , and a collab of UK , Germany, Spain, Italy and France.
But considering divergence with the developpement , FRANCE QUIT the collab and take the devellopement of his own.....
BOTH programs ( France vs the others ) became opponents .
The funny thing is , FRANCE, Via DASSAULT , MANAGED PERFECTLY the devellopement, and WHEN the RAFALE comes out , the EF was still a Prototype.......
@@lecheyenne62 Before the devellopement of the rafale and the EF, dassault was already working on the mirage 4000 wich is the base of the EF and the rafale.
@@MrChocobo12 Absolutely not.....
Mirage 4000 was a independant program financed by Dassault and refused by French Governement / army.
Indeed he was designed to be " Omny role" like rafale but he was deevlopped to be a HIGH performance Fighter (speed, and payload)
He was just an Experimental plane , and only used to "TEST" some parts of the Rafale , like a test lab .
He has nothing in common with Ef/rafale but more with the mirage 2000 .
It was like a "super" mirage 2000....
@@lecheyenne62 Expertise gained from the prototype influenced a lot the development of teh rafale. Many systems were tested on it. The rafale woulgn't be like this without the mirage 4000
Rafale is Croatia fihfter yet too. Mighty plane.
Operating cost is lower than American jets
They are measured differently
The USA 🇺🇸 inflates cost per flight hour to get more money from the defense budget 😅
@@ricky1231even.. minimum 7 times the price of the rafale😂😂😂 it is a scam
The operating cost of the rafale is around 20,000 and F-35 is 40,000. But, you also have to consider that the rafale cost 30-40% more than the F-35. With it being around 120 million and the F-35 A being around 80 million. It comes down to mission objectives. If you want a multitole jet that can carry a lot of ordinance, go with the rafale. If you want an air superiority fighter that snipes jets from BVR, go with the F-35.
@@JPmaxlevel😂 Bro the rafale is more expensive than the F-35 even when taking into account the operating cost. Serbia paying 3 billion for 12 non stealth jets is a scam.😂😂😂
@@jamarplunkett3283 Rafale comes with weapons package and missiles in 130 million dollars.
Great fighter jet !!!
This is why Greece should purchase more of Rafales and not purchase the American F35 which is not as good and too expensive.
Maybe because its cheaper .. compared to stuff like F/A-18E/F and F-15EX and you tend to be able to get more technology transfers while Americans will tend to be more tight control over the software for the F-18 or F-15EX..
Avoiding arms embargo??? Go to French, look at Taiwan, Israel and most French clients.
Most french clients ?
Thé Rafale is one or the only non amercan jet who can be catapult on US carrier
The rafaleis theonly fighter jet which was able to shoot down an f22 in a training exercise
In training the F22 has lost against many aircraft over the years even a USAF A10 Warthog was spotted with a nose detail of the Raptor. So if a Rafale did claim a F22 in training it is in a long list. The novice Rafale pilots train with Mirage 2000s and get beaten. Rafale went to Red Flag 2008 and lost twice against F16s of the 309th, so it just proves the need for dissimilar training.
Don't forget that the Europeans took the F35 to have US nuclear missiles, otherwise no nuclear shield.
Ne pas oublier que les européens ont pris du F35 pour avoir des missiles nucléaires US, sinon pas de bouclier nucléaire.
Donc pour se rendre captif des américains sans lesquels leurs F35 sont inopérables.
The Legacy Hornet got a make over and a steroid injection to become the Super Hornet also the Gripen got an upsizing with new engine etc. So do you think Dassault might upgrade Rafale and maybe give it a nose job ( a retractable fuel probe ) to enhance its looks?
The fixed refueling pole is a deliberate choice made on operational requirements. Refueling is imperative for projecting fighters planes above their operational range. A retractable refueling pole involves motorization, mechanisms likely to have a failure thus resulting in simply loosing a plane in the wild. Aesthetic plays no role here.
@@septimusseverus7237 everybody is aware of the virtues of a fixed or retractable fuel probe even the male/female type. The fixed has it's problem in giving an increased radar return. My thought is Rafale has a small nose so fitting a larger radar, IRST , retractable refueling probe could be achieved with a ' nose job ' perhaps even making it look asteticaly pleasing as well.
@@septimusseverus7237 genau , es fallen schließlich täglich Jets vom Himmel weil die Sonde nicht ausgefahren ist . Na ,Hauptsache du glaubst das .
No one looked at Rafale until India made an order... Once India bought them, Rafale became hot commodity...
😂😂😂 if it makes you feel better
@@JPmaxlevel Egypt was the first customer of Rafale and also bought a second batch of 30 aircraft.
What he is saying is true, indian air force is one of the strongest, no one does big purchasing until someone huge gets one
The French not just make the best wine & cheese, they also make the finest Military fighter jets & high speed trains
We are proud 🇨🇵❤
Blindé, artillerie, sous marin, fregate, propulsion nucléaire, avion de chasse, satellite, électronique de guerre ect ect
very good looking, and it killed an F-22
It's pretty AF.
can operate from FOB.
because of us france cant even show case there power in defence manufacture sector
"DA-SSO RA-FAL"
And the cost per hours, no match the rafale win
In the air battles of the future, there will be two types of aircrafts in the air, stealth aircrafts and targets, chose yours wisely
IF i'm not wrong, stealth airplane is stealth to few radio-bands. It can be seen by ground based detection system using other bands (like UHF) or using passive receptor sync with generic radio transmitters like the GSM numerous BTS. On the other hands stealth is not so stealth when "target" aircraft is not alone and flights in detection conjonction at wide angular separation from the stealth aircraft. Nothing is black/white in here and become more grey as Technics evolves. Further more, the F35, to talk about he most marketed stealth aircraft, does have a bad thermal signature, being easy to spot for an IRST... And by the way the "target" does not need to fly at high altitude, thus detecting it become more difficult for an aircraft willing to remain stealth, it is not?
in the more and more countries will find anti stealth technology the in any moment stealth capability will obsolete
@@jagodiving untill the time stealth is “obsolete” if you are not stealth, then you are a target. It is as simple as that.
Indonesian TNI AU will have 42 units and will interoperability with F35 RSAF and RAAF 😊😊😊
no mystery ... the US Fascists forced everyone to not buy Russians aircraft ..... so you don't want to buy US Fascist aircraft ..... what is your choice ?
Russia is fascists, so... What is the issue with a fascist blocking another fascist ?
Le mélange franco russe Vous écraser l’ennemi
The Rafale only gained global respect only and ONLY when the Egyptian air force placed orders for it, with my all do respect you can check the info on the internet from much more trusted sources than me
The rafael gained respect when India chose it in 2012 for its 126 MRFA programme. Contract negotiations fell through and india wasted some years before it ordered 36 units in 2016.
After india because Indians were very loud about it
@@ChandramohanGovindIndian officials like endlessly talking but never ink a contract until a border skirmish occurs then they sign at inflated prices.
Egypt wanted new aircraft but a certain neighbour vetoed potential purchases leaving Dassault ( with no ITAR Sanctions ) an easy choice. That said they are pleased and ordered a second batch.
The second batch of Eurofighter Typhoon wanted by Saudi Arabia was vetoed by the flip flop German Greens .. But now France and Germany are planning a new replacement aircraft and Eric Trappier is handcuffed to the Germans. Life is full of surprises.
Not really, no.
He's always been respected.
Just the world was different 10 years ago.
@@hermes6910 Bon Chance 😉
Gripen are more cost effective.
Gripens are excellent planes but are not used for the same purpose. They are designed for local operations, primarily for aerial defense. They cannot operate from aircraft carriers, carry 50% fewer weapons than the Rafale, and have a shorter range. They are also (obviously) 2 times cheaper
That's true. It is a good alternative for country which has not been exposed to the vicinity of countries with low levels of high technology. Hence the choice of Brazil.
Vous y rajoutez les missiles de la Russie. Vous faites un malheur, ça vaut tous les F35du monde.
Non des avions français avec des missiles français
All weapons need2 test out at Ukraine 🇺🇦 war not just display and shit talk proof on battle field 😮😮
rafale, combat proven... f35.. euuuu.. euuuu.. 😂😂😂
To answer your final question: No, lets talk about the Gripen E
Too expensive for a 4.5 gen fighter. It should be stealth.
If we talk about incremental cost, th Rafale is sold for 80M$ (average of all versions&configurations - It's more than 2 times cheaper than a F22, also for maintenance costs.
About stealth materials:
High cost: expensive technologies & maintenance.
Limited performance: reduced maneuverability & payload.
Vulnerability to other technologies: Not invisible to advanced radars, such as low-band and infrared ones.
Rafale uses SPECTRA which is similar to AN/ALR-94
It’s been used in
Iraq 🇮🇶
Mali 🇲🇱
Libya 🇱🇾
Afghanistan 🇦🇫
So it’s not been used has it 🤣 it dropped bombs that a cargo plane could drop
How many Russian planes have been shot down by Ukraine? 2 years later and Ukrainian planes are still flying? Aren't you ashamed, not even capable of defeating a country without a real air force?
Like american planes
1986 means it’s super old tech and probably falling behind Chinese JF fighters.
No mention of dogfighting against US and Russian jets. How many real world kills ?
Rafale is now at 5th generation. The embedded systems are now completely different from what they were in 1986. By the way, the first flight of the F22 Raptor prototype was in 1990. Does it make it "old tech" ?
It is an omn-role aircraft; Dassault releases several versions of this aircraft without changing its name. The onboard technology is very advanced. For example, the latest version is the Rafale F4, which was released in 2021
Enfaîte on a décidé de mettre des pièces d'avions des années 20 pour qu'il soit bien en retard et surtout on fait la promesse de ne surtout pas l'améliorer. Bisous mon chat 😘
'omnirole'...marketing didn't want to just use 'multi-role'. 😂
Omni means any, multi means many!
@@John-su6jt lol. Care to elaborate what is it that this 'omni role' fighter addS to a multi-role fighter?
@@NCM-xy8ow Are you kidding? When you need only one model for all your fighter aviation, it imeans it is an omnirole aircraft.
@@John-su6jt so, please tell us which air force has ONLY Rafales for all their mission requirements?
@@NCM-xy8ow
Omni mean that you can change the mission profile during a flight, while multi role fighters need to go back to base for it.
Libya, Mali, Iraq and Afghanistan 😂, all airspace are not contested, all western jets have never gone against an air defense system like the Russians plane are doing in Ukraine, the west only bully countries that can’t fight back 😂.
Iraq, Syria and Libya had "Russian made" air defense systems(like s300) and yet west had no problem bypassing them.
Common vatnik tactic : criticize the west about what beloved putin is doing, ignoring Ukraine has nothing to do with this list of countries.
@@rajashashankgutta4334
lol s300 came in last 3 years your talking about 24 years ago what happened
Now even in Middle East things have changed and either F35 or Rafale or any jet is not safe to fly over it. You will hear because of technical issues we lost the jet 😂😂😂
Make BAGUETTE Great Again 🥖
@@rajashashankgutta4334 stop bullying people that can’t fight back
BUT is french reliable and dependable ?
2nd arm dealer in the world. Looks like they are.
They don't change alliance with each president like US actually does between trump and biden/obama and so.
Wait...where do you think Airbus aircrafts are made ? Toulouse ? Isn't that in France ? Wish boeing as dependable as Airbus Where do you think M88 Rafale engines are made ? In the same plant than CFM engines for all Airbus and boeing aircraft.. near Paris. First human in the air ? Balloon Paris. First human flight ? You say Wright brothers USA I say Clement Ader toulouse. YES Airbus aircrafts are made in the place. With Concorde in between.
@@ericmarie2089 "french" not Rafale.
where have you been dude?
@@naga2015kk I didn't think your were racist to that point. But you know when you don't even write with your name but pseudo, I'm not so sure you can talk about "reliable".
Typhoon is better, end of
It's true that for ironing collars it is unbeatable.
Absolutely not , Rafale is better 🇨🇵
Stimmt ,seh ich auch so .
People on here saying that the Rafale is better than the F-35 are either showing their ignorance, they're a Rafale fanboy or my favorite... Hate for anything US. While it is true that the Rafale is a true workhorse and a great multi role plane, the F-35 will simply fire his missile, turn around and think what else ger has to do while the Rafale piolet is still trying to find the F-35 on radar. There is no competition. The best bet is to catch an F-35 pilot hungover while flying. If he manages to do that and engage in a dogfight, then the Rafale may have an advantage. BUT... that's only until the F-35 gets its new engines. Then, it's bye bye Rafale. And as for those who just hate anything American.... You will be the first to get down on your knees and beg the US to protect you when Russia or China comes for you. Sure, you can say NATO. But who do you think makes up NATO's strength. 90% of NATO's strength is because of the US. I love the hate that we Americans get. keep it up. Those tears taste great!!!
The problem is that you are either an F-35 fanboy or you are ignorant. The Rafale does not need "relative physical stealth" because its stealth comes from its SPECTRA suite which blinds enemy radars and makes dozens of bridges appear on the radar screen that are anything but the Rafale. This is how to make an aircraft "stealthy" without sacrificing its flight capabilities, without costing billions of dollars for non-scalable and already practically obsolete technology.
Say the F-35 fanboy.
If the F-35 fire a missile it lost the stealth.
Stealth is not harry potter's magical cloak of invisibility.
Funny how you are so sure about the Rafale absolutly can't spot the F-35, and also so sure about the EW suit of the Rafale can't do nothing against the F-35.
After the war in Ukraine that the US and NATO caused and already lost. Hardly anyone will ask for your help. Since all those who asked for US help became puppets of the US. When they see how they ended up in Afghanistan, Ukraine, Vietnam, Syria... Your US proxy puppets. Hardly anyone will be crazy to ask for your help, he must be ripe for the madhouse! All of them ended up as fugitives in the US, traitors to their people. Like in Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan when you fell out of the plane to escape... Hardly anyone will ask for your help, they would have to be totally crazy! Also, in 90% of cases, no one asked for you, but you occupied some countries or parts of territories, sovereign countries for the sake of your hegemony and benefits, for a military base or for the purpose of stealing resources and installed puppets in power, in the occupied territories. The puppets are mostly terrorists, Nazis ...These are the same ones who previously fell out of helicopters and planes while fleeing. Like in Ukraine, or in the occupied territory of the south of Serbia (Kosovo) ...
As for the F-35, how many of them are actually flying and how many of them are really in good condition, how many of them have already crashed due to a malfunction?! problems with the engine, electronics ... And he didn't even participate in any war?! You call that an airplane?!
The fact that you write that Stealth technology is something special and that it represents some advantage?! Only fools can imagine such nonsense?! The F-177 was shot down over Serbia with the NEVA-125 air defense system from the 50s of the last century! What would you think if your stealth plane ran into some serious air defense system of the latest generation?!
But seriously! we don't hate the Americans, but the Rafale has one of the world's most advanced passive defenses (4 defense systems). it's all very well to fire a missile, but it still has to hit..... moreover, the cost of flying is much lower! for your information, the F-35 says bye bye to it, because the Rafale has Méteor...the best medium-range missile in the world, and its radar is more than worth that of the F-35...so the iron can go fuck itself...
As a french, i have to say that USA are essential to protect West. But they can also rely on Europeans, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, Japs and many others that i forget...
Despite being more advanced and slightly heavier, the F-35 is less expensive to acquire due to economies of scale and more efficient production; the aircraft sells for around $140 million for export, whereas the Rafale has sold for around $245 million per airframe.
I think in the long run Rafale is much cheaper to maintain.
More efficient production of the F-35 🤣 only took 20 years
@@amacca2085@amacca2085 They are referring to an actual production line, not development. The development of the Dassault Rafale fighter jet has spanned decades, with its origins dating back to the early 1980s.
The cost of 245 million os for a fully loaded Rafale including its spares and Long term maintenance contract. The 140 million for F35 is the cost of the basic jet
No
UAE cancelled their order after France arrested the CEO of Telegram, who holds UAE citizenship. One of the reasons why Middle Eastern countries are going for Rafale is because Israel doesn't want USA to sell F-35 to them. You didn't mention Rafale's agility or the 2009 mock combat where it beat F-22 Raptor.
No
Russian troll tentative
@dominationsrebellion6433 yes, 2vs 1 and get there ass whoop😂😂😂 😘
@@dominationsrebellion6433Yes Check your facts Rafale beat F22 in Dogfight close combat scenario.
Proven combat performance? WHERE???
Mali, Lybia, Syria, Irak, Afghanistan...
Tu ne devrais pas étaler ton ignorance...
next time just read the coms and stfu.
I love the Frenchman in the comments coping about their France finally being able to produce an aircraft thinking it’s the best in the world when in reality it’s even inferior to Russian Migs and Sukhois and can’t even compete with a 1970 F-16 😂😂😂
Btw, most of the footage are of an American aircraft carrier.
'finally'.
I love these US people who aren't even capable of finishing high school and who comment on industrial and geopolitical stuff without knowing anything about the subject, let alone talking about history...
Just keep your burger in the hands, don't use a keyboard.
@@hermes6910 I am sorry that you guys can’t afford hamburgers or more Aircraft Carriers (Hence, why you keep using ours to train your Rafale pilots)
Don’t worry, one day you guys will stop being poor and will be able to afford hamburgers and showering daily.
It's all about value for money. The Rafale is good at everything it has to do and has proven it. But the multirole aspect doesn't allow you to be the best in a specific role against a specialized aircraft, like the F22 (much more expensive) in terms of air superiority for example. But a good pilot can get the upper hand. Now, it's no secret that the USA is a huge disinformation company, and that its nationals too often indulge in high-sounding terms, like 5th generation blah blah and are very full of themselves (like: what's not from here is crap). The F35 program is currently a fiasco, maintenance costs an arm and a leg every time and the only selling point that keeps sales going is the nuclear carriage (which is also a Rafale capability in case you didn't know). Whether you like it or not, the Rafale is a deserved success.
@@eliaskaram2325 Maybe I overestimated you when I mentioned high school.
Don't worry, the world needs janitors.
@@hermes6910 stop projecting and acting like a little bitch. We get it, you’re jealous from our military.
Btw, I am willing to be I have more college degrees than you do 😝
The static fuel arm in the nose fucks me offs so greatly for the last 10 years, It's just utter plain ugly and unnecessary.
Imagine life with a constant “stiff arm.” 😂
The French do this on all their fighters.
Less to go wrong they obviously do it for a reason
Did you look at your face before writing that stupidities Mr fighters specialist 🤣😂
@@MrStrat01 I did and I liked what I saw, your face however is not very presentable MrGrumpyGrump 😚
It's over 40 years old, more expensive than F-16V
Ok. F16 prototype first flight was in 1974. Rafale prototype first flight 1991.
Ugly
In answer to the question: not aesthetics. The pole makes the line of this plane ugly. Ugly like mirage 2000.
No it's the most beautiful and it's French 🇨🇵❤
@ChachouLP Each time I extend my fa18 probe, I see the Fa18 esthetic line get ugly. I'm happy when retract the probe. Shame for M2000 and Rafale.
@@FA18Trainingc'est toi qui devrait avoir honte de comparer des chasseurs sans aucune âme avec le mirage 2000. Vous comprenez même pas l'intérêt des ailes delta pourtant vous ouvrez vos grandes bouches. C'est fou ça
@@Fabio-om4kb
Je ne compare pas les chasseurs, encore moins leur âme, car je ne suis pas qualifié pour le faire. Je ne compare que leur ligne esthétique. Les ailes delta ont un certain charme comme les doubles stabilisateurs verticaux en V (FA18) ou la verrière sans montant (F16). Mais cela peut être gâché par une entrée d'air ventrale (F16) ou une perche de ravitaillement (rafale) non escamotable. Toute comparaison sur l'esthétisme est purement subjective.
Perú acaba de comprar 24 unidades rafale.
Expensive garbage!!!
Bcz india buy this jet that's the only reason...before india only few want rafale
Abhi toh Aur 26 Aane hai , Doval Sir in FRACE , I hope the deal gets signed before at least Before December.
So expensive
The cost of maintaining the F35 is $42,000/hour, not to mention that the costs of the F35 program have exceeded 2,000 billion.
@@IsmailShafiq-y3w Broke boy confirmed. 😆
Sure for F35 !!
@@nzfmecom521 Why buy a incomplète and expensive fighter when you have the rafale ?
Beautiful plane!