It was designed for U.S. SOPMOD program in conjunction with their requirements for a rugged optic mount not really a commercial market for hunters, so lacks the refinement found other offerings to date. Based on the feedback for lack of QD release levers was that operators input that QD over time can become loose so they opted for fasteners for service life, also the version that is SOPMOD certified is designed for the Vortex 1-6 Razor HD Gen II with zero MOA built into it. It does lack the modern slimmer profile commercial scope mounts but again it designed to be abused and maintain zero. I would like to see them update them as they are pretty old as of 2022 from their initial release date and at this price point leaves a bit more desired IMO
Well, Midway put the Leupold mounts on sale for $67. Since the optic I want to mount is only a $500 low power optic that probably wouldn't benefit from something like this anyway (and I have no plans to ever uninstall it once it's on), I'm hoping that it works out. My other Leupold mount has been okay so far.
Most name brand mounts are going to be at least 'decent'. I don't think they would willing put their name on something that either fails or damages a scope.
I just found your channel on recommendation from Navy Man. I own several high end scopes and mounts and love hearing from someone who knows what they are talking about. I love my Scalarworks mount for my Nightforce Atacr. I had one of these Geissele mounts and sold it within a couple of months for a Leopold Mark 8. The only thing Geissele does well is “super” overpricing. I have no problem paying vast amounts for quality and features but this is a big miss in my book.
Hey man.. My go to glass guy xD Have you tried the Vortex VMX-3T and/or Holosun HM3x 3x Magnifiers? They are the same price and i'm trying to decide which one to pick up..
The Half inch nuts were made for strength. Not to look pretty. This was designed at the department of defense's needs. Not to look nice. Half inch nuts are easy to rip off in the field with a pair of pliers. Not so easy to get a scope off with a hex nut that you likely don't have with you.
The twin recoil lugs had issues with mounting on a PTR-91 rail. Wound up having to file on one to get to fit correctly. It would be better if they just had one recoil lug instead of two for out of spec rails.
Umm, the reason for perfectly aligning it to install may have to do with the Super Precision Mount retaining zero when you take the optic off and place it back on.
Yeah, the Geissele mount is expensive. But what you found objectionable doesn't really bother me. However, I wonder how well the Geissele will hold a heavy scope in place on a larger caliber rifle (e.g., a .308 semiautomatic) over the long term?
@@CDOES The Spuhr is an excellent recommendation. For about $4,500, here's one possible .308 setup: Armalite’s AR-10: $2,100 Vortex Razor 1x10x24: $2,000 Spuhr SP-4004 Ø34 H48MM 0MIL PIC: $360
@@CDOES I have no plans to buy the .308 combination I've mentioned in my last post. I can't afford it. 😫 The cost of good .308 ammunition alone would bankrupt me. 😩 Which model of Crossfire and Ruger American are you thinking of buying? Are you interested in percision shooting, hunting, or both? My next and last firearm will be a Glock or two. Thanks to Corona and various panics, firearms are now a little too expensive. ☹
I bought one of these a couple years ago in 34mm to mount my trijicon 1-8 and I’m very satisfied with it. It’s been flawless and I got it on one of those weekend sales Geissele does for $265. Would I have bought a Scalarworks if I had known they existed back then? Maybe.
Any chance you can comment on which mount you purchased, standard versus the extended version. I need a mount for a Trijicon Credo 1-8x28 but not sure which one works best. Thanks in advance.
The nuts are the only way to get 1,400 lbs of torque. Engineers don't just factor in the way something looks, there is a specific requirement that is needed to be met for the contract.
@@CDOES www.larue.com/products/lt204/ Actually bought two of them, one replaced an American Defense that was too low for my cheek weld. Had to sink really low into it to get a good eye box.
I totally agree with you. The nuts are huge, yet the gripping surface seem to small!! As fare as mounting I would use levels and the Arisaka Scope Leveler. What do you think about the Badger Ordnance Condition 1 modular mount compared to these mounts?
You should test the return to zero. Without a torque wrench, I see a margin for error. They have a dubious video on their channel and the comment section is filled with doubts.
I have the Sopmod certified Geisele holding a Leupold Mark 6. It holds the optic very well BUT mounting the optic was a huge pain as you mentioned and yes those nuts do smack your knuckles. Even though I like the looks I’m going to sell it and get a Spuhr.
Thanks for the review, can you not replace the nuts? I ask because I need a scope for my 22 rugger precision rifle I have had for over a year and never shot, it took me a long time to get from picking up aluminum cans. Don't laugh life is hard for some of us, despite that I have payed my home off and now live in forced retirement, and my guns are a hobby. Oh, and yes I am trying to buy a couple of scopes, the other is for you my 300 hundred blackout, I have been looking at the flake cog on your other video. Thanks again.
The threads are staked so the nut will not come off. Its got very interesting design features that I personally dont understand or necessarily agree with.
@@CDOES Thanks for answering my texts. I have never had anyone answer me before. I have the 22 rugger and a 300 blackout pistol that I need to put scopes on, and cannot afford a bad choice. Due to my IV port on my right shoulder it can be dangerous or life threatening for me to put a stock on, you know the hole bleed too death thing makes me a little nervous. I'm stage 4 cancer, and I refuse to be covered up with dirt. So I don't have time and money to get it wrong. I'm looking on e-bay today trying to find 2 scopes to fit my needs. Could you please suggest something? I thought since you are not trying to sale me anything you would be a good source for info. Thanks
So you would rather have the mount look a certain way by using smaller hardware than function correctly? The hardware they’re using is pretty much standard for Tactical rings. Why do you need to stick something under the scope when mounting? If there is a leveling issue, more likely than not the rings need to be lapped. This is typically only an issue with low end rings and mounts that have low tolerance. There is a reason Geissele has military contracts.
Wow, I’m still educating myself on scopes and mounts. I love Bills stuff and use a ton of his stuff. I thought the points you brought up were honest gripes. I thought the review was stellar. Not time to watch the rest of your content. Thank you sir!
Because it made with 7075 aluminium , I bought the ADM FDE QD 30mm 2 inch mount and it made with 6061 aluminium , but I only use on the GBB airsoft , maybe the special force consider more reason , like in the worst environment .
That will poke into your back when you have the Rifle slinged. Got a cheap one off of Amazon and I don't like it because of that same reason. Big ol nobs sticking out c'mon Gieselle. Daniel defense mount looks hella sexy for like half that price and it's 5 oz!
I am sorry to admit that even though I understand how the Chinese ripping off of intellectual property cost jobs here in the United States, some companies deserve it. I have bought and am still using Chinese clones of both Geissele and Surefire products with absolutely no issues. The mount above is not worth the $325 - $350 Bill Geissele thinks it is. The clones available on Aliexpress or Wish sell for less than $10. As for Surefire, those $329 M600 Scout lights? A $300 + flashlight? Really Surefire? No thanks, I'll buying my Scout clones for $25, and it comes with the remote switch for free.
as he's talking, all i can think is wow that's a beautiful part.
It was designed for U.S. SOPMOD program in conjunction with their requirements for a rugged optic mount not really a commercial market for hunters, so lacks the refinement found other offerings to date. Based on the feedback for lack of QD release levers was that operators input that QD over time can become loose so they opted for fasteners for service life, also the version that is SOPMOD certified is designed for the Vortex 1-6 Razor HD Gen II with zero MOA built into it. It does lack the modern slimmer profile commercial scope mounts but again it designed to be abused and maintain zero. I would like to see them update them as they are pretty old as of 2022 from their initial release date and at this price point leaves a bit more desired IMO
Well, Midway put the Leupold mounts on sale for $67. Since the optic I want to mount is only a $500 low power optic that probably wouldn't benefit from something like this anyway (and I have no plans to ever uninstall it once it's on), I'm hoping that it works out. My other Leupold mount has been okay so far.
Most name brand mounts are going to be at least 'decent'. I don't think they would willing put their name on something that either fails or damages a scope.
I just found your channel on recommendation from Navy Man. I own several high end scopes and mounts and love hearing from someone who knows what they are talking about. I love my Scalarworks mount for my Nightforce Atacr. I had one of these Geissele mounts and sold it within a couple of months for a Leopold Mark 8. The only thing Geissele does well is “super” overpricing. I have no problem paying vast amounts for quality and features but this is a big miss in my book.
Hey man.. My go to glass guy xD Have you tried the Vortex VMX-3T and/or Holosun HM3x 3x Magnifiers? They are the same price and i'm trying to decide which one to pick up..
Word on the street is I have a Holosun HM3x being reviewed as we speak... Apparently the thing is pretty sweet...
@@CDOES Hell yea.. can't wait to see it! lol you the mvp
The Half inch nuts were made for strength. Not to look pretty. This was designed at the department of defense's needs. Not to look nice. Half inch nuts are easy to rip off in the field with a pair of pliers. Not so easy to get a scope off with a hex nut that you likely don't have with you.
That leveling block is brilliant.
Great C_Does. Can you review the Larue Tactical SPR/M4 Scope Mount QD LT104?
The twin recoil lugs had issues with mounting on a PTR-91 rail. Wound up having to file on one to get to fit correctly. It would be better if they just had one recoil lug instead of two for out of spec rails.
Another solid review!
👍 Cheers!
Umm, the reason for perfectly aligning it to install may have to do with the Super Precision Mount retaining zero when you take the optic off and place it back on.
Yeah, the Geissele mount is expensive. But what you found objectionable doesn't really bother me. However, I wonder how well the Geissele will hold a heavy scope in place on a larger caliber rifle (e.g., a .308 semiautomatic) over the long term?
I'm sure it'll be fine. But I'd rather a slightly beefier mount at that point. Like a Spuhr.
@@CDOES The Spuhr is an excellent recommendation.
For about $4,500, here's one possible .308 setup:
Armalite’s AR-10: $2,100
Vortex Razor 1x10x24: $2,000
Spuhr SP-4004 Ø34 H48MM 0MIL PIC: $360
@@chesslover8829 I was thinking
Spuhr - $400
Ruger American - $450
Vortex Crossfire - $300
Gotta know where the priorities lie. lol
@@CDOES I have no plans to buy the .308 combination I've mentioned in my last post. I can't afford it. 😫 The cost of good .308 ammunition alone would bankrupt me. 😩
Which model of Crossfire and Ruger American are you thinking of buying? Are you interested in percision shooting, hunting, or both?
My next and last firearm will be a Glock or two.
Thanks to Corona and various panics, firearms are now a little too expensive. ☹
Do you need a Geissele Super Precision philip screwdriver or will a milspec one work just fine?
I bought one of these a couple years ago in 34mm to mount my trijicon 1-8 and I’m very satisfied with it. It’s been flawless and I got it on one of those weekend sales Geissele does for $265. Would I have bought a Scalarworks if I had known they existed back then? Maybe.
Any chance you can comment on which mount you purchased, standard versus the extended version. I need a mount for a Trijicon Credo 1-8x28 but not sure which one works best. Thanks in advance.
The nuts are the only way to get 1,400 lbs of torque. Engineers don't just factor in the way something looks, there is a specific requirement that is needed to be met for the contract.
I bought a LaRue for $100 that has qd attachments. Love it.
You can't beat the price!
@@CDOES
www.larue.com/products/lt204/
Actually bought two of them, one replaced an American Defense that was too low for my cheek weld. Had to sink really low into it to get a good eye box.
Right now that mount is $140 after you add the 4 ring parts, but that’s still a solid price!
@@theunofficialresults231 that looks like a lot of mount for $140!
@@egonpax 200 now
Literally none of your comments affect the most important aspects of a mount.
I totally agree with you. The nuts are huge, yet the gripping surface seem to small!! As fare as mounting I would use levels and the Arisaka Scope Leveler.
What do you think about the Badger Ordnance Condition 1 modular mount compared to these mounts?
So your whole video is putting down this awesome mount? Seriously bro! It's one of the best scope mounts out there, right below a Spuhr!
You should test the return to zero. Without a torque wrench, I see a margin for error. They have a dubious video on their channel and the comment section is filled with doubts.
This is a Great suggestion! I will be testing that with this mount, and every other mount from now on. I'll post a follow up very soon
Why not just use the flathead with your wheeler torque wrench? The hex nuts clearly have cuts for it
@@jonahkahn382 Simple. A socket wont slip and damage up a mount that isnt mine.
That's a bit overpriced in my opinion.
I have the Sopmod certified Geisele holding a Leupold Mark 6. It holds the optic very well BUT mounting the optic was a huge pain as you mentioned and yes those nuts do smack your knuckles. Even though I like the looks I’m going to sell it and get a Spuhr.
Before the scalarworks geissele was king (in my kingdom lol)..... you don't need levels with a plumb bob 👍
They do look like they belong in context to the place this mount will be used: CMP and NRA Service Rifle Competition.
Has anyone used this on a scar 17 heavy
Thanks for the review, can you not replace the nuts? I ask because I need a scope for my 22 rugger precision rifle I have had for over a year and never shot, it took me a long time to get from picking up aluminum cans. Don't laugh life is hard for some of us, despite that I have payed my home off and now live in forced retirement, and my guns are a hobby. Oh, and yes I am trying to buy a couple of scopes, the other is for you my 300 hundred blackout, I have been looking at the flake cog on your other video. Thanks again.
The threads are staked so the nut will not come off. Its got very interesting design features that I personally dont understand or necessarily agree with.
@@CDOES Thanks for answering my texts. I have never had anyone answer me before. I have the 22 rugger and a 300 blackout pistol that I need to put scopes on, and cannot afford a bad choice. Due to my IV port on my right shoulder it can be dangerous or life threatening for me to put a stock on, you know the hole bleed too death thing makes me a little nervous. I'm stage 4 cancer, and I refuse to be covered up with dirt. So I don't have time and money to get it wrong. I'm looking on e-bay today trying to find 2 scopes to fit my needs. Could you please suggest something? I thought since you are not trying to sale me anything you would be a good source for info. Thanks
So you would rather have the mount look a certain way by using smaller hardware than function correctly? The hardware they’re using is pretty much standard for Tactical rings. Why do you need to stick something under the scope when mounting? If there is a leveling issue, more likely than not the rings need to be lapped. This is typically only an issue with low end rings and mounts that have low tolerance. There is a reason Geissele has military contracts.
Wow, I’m still educating myself on scopes and mounts. I love Bills stuff and use a ton of his stuff. I thought the points you brought up were honest gripes. I thought the review was stellar. Not time to watch the rest of your content. Thank you sir!
All three scope mounts are over priced but again all three mounts are very very good
That price is ridiculous
Yeah just a touch high lol
Because it made with 7075 aluminium , I bought the ADM FDE QD 30mm 2 inch mount and it made with 6061 aluminium , but I only use on the GBB airsoft , maybe the special force consider more reason , like in the worst environment .
That will poke into your back when you have the Rifle slinged. Got a cheap one off of Amazon and I don't like it because of that same reason. Big ol nobs sticking out c'mon Gieselle. Daniel defense mount looks hella sexy for like half that price and it's 5 oz!
Agreed! I've been eyeing out the DD stuff. Really nice stuff available
MI industry qd mounts shit on this
Funny you say that lol give me 3 days
@@CDOES looking forward to it! There aren't that many good reviews on it I was thinking of making one as well
I am sorry to admit that even though I understand how the Chinese ripping off of intellectual property cost jobs here in the United States, some companies deserve it. I have bought and am still using Chinese clones of both Geissele and Surefire products with absolutely no issues. The mount above is not worth the $325 - $350 Bill Geissele thinks it is. The clones available on Aliexpress or Wish sell for less than $10. As for Surefire, those $329 M600 Scout lights? A $300 + flashlight? Really Surefire? No thanks, I'll buying my Scout clones for $25, and it comes with the remote switch for free.
🤣🤣riiiiight.......if you cant tell quality from chinesium nuff said...
Your Chinese mounts are most likely made from pot metal.