StarCraft Ghost - What Happened?
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2020
- On this episode of What Happened, we are stealthily sneaking through into Blizzard's HQ to dig up the file on their most infamous game! It's a story of incompetence, indecisiveness, and other words that begin with "i"!
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“One guy cried and went home”
:(
Yeah... that sucks man. I'm so passionate about Starcraft i would've done the same. :(
@@LeGrosHanz same :((
I’m crying and going home right now...
I hope some of them at least got togather and finished parts it, for their own sake to bring what they worked on to life. A demo you could not show anyone would have been less hurtful than just watching a world you put your all into create, just dying.......
Imagine spending 3 years of your life working on a bunch of art that'll never be used, and you cannot show anyone. That would sting.
This is probably the most frustrating story in this series. There wasn't a harsh deadline, someone with their one head up their ass in charge, or a team of bureaucratic dorks loading the game down with nonsense features from a focus group. Its simply because there was no real leadership. The lead dev should have been given the reins but Blizzard wasn't willing to for understandable reasons and now over a decade later we have to ask what happun
Agreed, this one is more tragic because this one had everything going for it. A talented and passionate team of devs, plenty of time and resources, and an actively engaged and competent publisher. Everything except for a cohesive vision from a leader at the top. The lack of one head visionary lead to the lose of what could have been an excellent game.
I think you nailed the issue on the head, really. It's weird that Blizzard couldn't either relinquish leadership or do it properly, particularly after they got Goddard involved...
And then when the first expansion to WoW dropped, they included a tombstone for Nova on a tiny rock in the sky. Classy move there...
Yeah, I remember seeing that, out in the Twisting Nether. And sometimes, rarely, you could also find a stealthed blonde Blood Elf dressed like Nova right next to the tombstone. It was really depressing.
That makes me irrationally angry. It was mostly their fault...
Widowmaker also has a full model Nova skin on Overwatch
@@isabellamorris7902 Well, they were at least actively engaged and excited about the project. It's just that when WoW became a cultural phenomenon, they (at least somewhat) understandably shifted all of their focus to that. By the time they finally found a sturdy direction for the game, there really wasn't any point for them financially to put the game out. Aside from them maybe giving too many varying directives to the team in the sake of chasing trends, Blizzard gave the dev team as much time and resources as they needed. It was all just too little too late, unfortunately. 😔
ZeAndre Williamson she’s also a in Starcraft 2. Can’t recall if she was in the first game 🤔
I was expecting to laugh at Blizzard incompetence, not be saddened by lost potential..
Ever since they banned someone everyone mocks them because they blindly support what the fake media shows.
The animation and artstyle looked nice. fuuug
"Every things I don't like is fake media."
-meta jay 404
@@kananchan7995 no the protests were riots actually and people got hurt.
They burned a man alive.
And it's all against the hk constitution and would be considered domestic terrorism.
@@edgelord8337 Hope those 50 cents are worth it
Blizzard, may years ago: It's not good, let's not ship it.
Blizzard now: It's not good, but let's ship it anyway.
See Warcraft 3: Refunded
This is the problem with many gaming companies nowadays. The game isn't finished, it's not good but... let's ship it anyway, we'll patch it up later.
more like "the game is too good, lets bog it down with bad mechanics, ship it, and then fire everybody"
The merger with Activision was the final nail in the coffin. At least now Mike Morhaime and a few Blizzard veterans created a new company so maybe we can see some of that vision back in the future.
don't say they don't learn.
Very sneaky Hong Kong 97 reference, there
@@edgelord8337 No, Hong Kong 97.
meta jay 404 Guru Larry
Hearing the theme activated my fight or flight response
Starcraft chin 😆
WO AI BEIJING TIANANMEN
I remember when Ghost was "coming out" and was excited for it. There was also another game "coming out" at that time. Peter Molyneuxs BC, I feel like that would make a good episode.
Heck yeah more stories of Peter Molyneuxs incompetence sounds good to me. :)
Any time to shit on that man, is well spent. Make it happen Matthew.
He's probably working on a formal Peter Molyneux documentary.
Me too, I remember being hyped as hell when I was a kid.
Ghyst Honestly he could have his own sub-series
Maybe they should have been Optimistic Games instead.
That was very artful of you
“The nihilistic teams were killing themselves”
Well in the wise words of Xra “Yea, no doi”
Words to live by right there
when that lost vikings OST starts BANGING
Didn't expect to find you here
How did you get here?
Shit didn't expect to see you on a star craft video.
"...and Nintendo's stinky Melee machine."
YOU TAKE THAT BACK😭 that was a great childhood for me
@Myka Ruest that is just the 6th gen in a nutshell
(Except xbox)
@Myka Ruest Which is a shame really. I had both consoles, and while the GameCube had a much smaller library of games, it had so many brilliant exclusives. SSB:Melee, Metroid Prime, Double Dash, Wind Waker, Eternal Darkness, FZero GX, Pokemon Colosseum/XD, Pikmin and Paper Mario come to mind immediately and I'm sure I'm missing plenty out. And some of those are my favourites of their respective franchises. Hell, I even enjoyed Star Fox Adventures and Kirby's Air Ride.
Edit: just had a look on Wikipedia. Fucking Rogue Squadron! How the hell did I forget them!? Some of the most fun I've had with Star Wars on console.
And little over a month after this video was released, the game got leaked online from a devkit.
Neat!
@@Igarappappathat leaked version crashes like crazy just so you know.
One phrase to summarize this vid: FEATURE CREEP.
you must construct additional pylons
@@elucidator1277 I agree that indecisiveness is the major part of this problem.
Let's not forget the nail on the coffin, fucking WoW
"You can build Feature Creep Colonies to extend the feature creep, but only a Hatchery can be built on open ground."
Didn't sound like feature creep to me, just bad leadership
As someone who was a huge fan of Blizzard games at the time I had REALLY wanted to get my hands on Ghost. It looked cool, the story sounded cool, and I loved stealth games. I was so disappointed that it just kind of faded away.
Same also having just played cnc renegade it seemed like an idea worth trying.
I mean renegade is not that great of a game but you couldnt do worse right?
Now that cancelled games are free game, you know what's coming up next:
WHA HAPPUN: SILENT HILLS
I feel wha happun to that game was fairly well covered as it was happening
Scalebound is the one I wanna hear, tho it's a bit too soon for that.
Fez II would be a pretty funny one, but probably not enough content for an episode.
@@raze2012_ I wonder if that might get revived for SeX. MS Still owns the IP, so they'd have an easy surprise reveal at E3 like when FF vsXIII was revealed/reconfirmed as XV.
More ideas if'n you don't mind:
-Action 52
-Contra: Rogue Corps
-Devil's Third
-Dragon Ball Evolution
I'd love to see a Wha Happ'n of Rogue Corps but I feel like that story prolly won't be told for a few years.
Ratchet and clank sizes matters?
Yes to all of these.
Xcom Bureau tho, might be interesting to look at this game.
Holy shit, YES. DO ACTION 52!!!
The end of the video feels likes a tease to a "What Happened" for Marvel Nemesis, a game I know TOO well.
That game needs to remembered, it was timecapsule for Marvel in the mid 2000's.
I thought it was fun. Completely forgettable besides JOHNNY OHM!!
@@Desolate1134 ea still own the characters
I just bought it again for the wii, flawed but still super fun and very verrrry 2000's!!! :)
I forgot about that game, but love it
What’s really sad is the short clips we actually got look pretty damn good, a texture update and I’d be glad with tha
What did you say about my Paper Mario machine?
I don't think people really feel that way with how many gamecube games are in high demand :p
Super paper Mario?
I think you mean sonic heroes machine
@@vaguely_boring lots of people hate that game
@@pretsal4955 i cant imagine something that doesn't exist in modern day twitter
(Thats a joke)
This is one of my most wanted games that will never happen. I still have that official xbox Magazine with Nova on the cover.
Gex 3 in list of quality games is not a sight, I am used to seeing
@@tehbeernerd Danny John-Jules was better anyway
But I loved that game. D:
@@SixthFonist Me too!
I still play the first one, he still opens a can of whoop ass!
I remember being really excited for Ghost for a long time. So disappointing to me when I heard it was canned for good.
I feel for the guy who cried and went home after being told the whole 3-year job was cancelled. That would have been a dream job for me to make something like what Ghost was supposed to be. To just be told "Nevermind, it's all for nothing, we're getting rid of it" is just absolutely heartbreaking. I really do hope he managed to find something better. Not that anything would be worth something like that, but just something to give him hope again.
I worked for Vivendi Universal Games back in 2002 and I was able to play Ghost at a company event where Blizzard brought in what they were working on. I remember being impressed at the time and it's nice to get a trip down memory lane here.
“How we all feeling about Blizzard entertainment?!”
Oh boy… Aged like finest wine
Aww man. I always wondered what happened to Swinging Ape Studios. I loved Metal Arms and was always disappointed I never saw another project from them. I guess that's wha happun.
I'm surprised they never seemed to take more inspiration from actual Starcraft. There's a lot that could have been done with expanding how Ghosts are used in the RTS games, including using spore crawlers or photon cannons as detectors and using abilities stealthily to disable them. You could find your balance of stealth and action right there.
Me: sees a what happened upload
Also me: yo what DID happun??
"The company owned by Activision and China"
*no lies detected*
Left Alive was one of 2019's worst disasters ever, may be too soon to get enough information for a Wha Happen'd but oof, what a trainwreck of a game
I remember reading about this game in my old Gamepro magazines.
I would love to see a What Happened about MK Arcade Kollection. Because this collection supposed to be a total remake of the originals MK and when released was only a kinda hi-res of the originals.
I remember trying to play that thing and giving up after half an hour of frustration. I honestly had forgotten that I owned it untill reading this comment, good thing I got it in a bundle along some actually good games.
Perfect Dark soundtrack: I see you are a man of culture, as well.
Blizzard never knows what it wants, I was actually looking forward to this game back when it was announced on all 3 of the current consoles of that era
So many years... so many questions. Closure. Finally. Thank you
I knew some of it for awhile.
Agents of mayhem would be a good one
I remember being blown away by StarCraft Ghost's trailers and previews and while I distinctly remember they had an awesome multiplayer preview of all three races duking it out on LAN or Xbox Live, I was also getting concerned about the game being released at all, as it was still listed as a GameCube/PS2/Xbox release, when the 360 was just a few months away from release. I'd still love to see a third-person take on the StarCraft universe, especially with stealth in mind.
As always, you're the best at what you do Matt. Still amazed these come so quickly, thank you!
Is it possible to do a What Happened on Maverick Hunter?
Alexander Falarski the PSP remake of X or the FPS
@@bigpenny8223 The FPS.
I'd certainly like to know wha happun to that.
I like that game.
Alexander Falarski oh god i secretly want a mega man fps
Well, Brink will have it’s day soon. That’s good. As will Fant4stic. Hopefully. Still, this is a great episode to see. It’s a shame that a game that looked this cool won’t see the light of day any time soon.
All that effort for nothing.
Blizzard will release this game but instead of Zerglings and Protoss, you'll be fighting Hong Kong Protestors.
Hong Kong rioters.
Funnily enough, it came out only a month after this video.
Imagine a Ghost game coming out now? Have the gameplay of the Arkham games with gunplay, along with the Starctaft world. If it wasnt made by Blizzard, it could actually be pretty hype
I want a Wha happun about Devil may cry 2
DAN TEE
Yeah that game didn't look that good
@@duce1312 It didn't just look bad, it WAS BAD. The game was not fun to play at all.
I love how you keep churning out these fascinating videos. I think I might have to break my patreon cherry.
Saddest part of this to me is that I absolutely loved Metal Arms, and since they took the devs and did a whole lot of nothing with them, they never made a second :'(
That Talledga Nights reference at the end was great. Thanks Matt, very cool
This Is my favorite series I discovered this year. thank you
Thanks for the full breakdown of this Matt, I still remember previews of this game in my D2 booklet and just being excited then slowly being more jaded that nothing ever came up.
This video is seriously going to need a fallow up after the leak
And just like that a dev build is leaked online....
And before people ask, no. Use Google, not that hard to find links... took like 2 minutes
and just like that someone should start finishing this game
I stumbled across your vids a while back, and have been enjoying the Wha Happun series for a bit. Lately (since your avgn crossover) I've been going back and binging them all. Quality content sir.
[Pooh:Oh Botha.]
>Blizzard
>Pooh
I see what you did there. 😂👌
Welp. Thanks to this comment, this episode of Wha Happun is completely unavailable to an entire country.
@@autobotstarscream765 this comment isn't even true or funny.
Ashe from megaman zx advent!
Dev: "Sir we got a new money making game"
Blizzard: "Let me see... 'Easy Money Scam' wait what is this scam"
Dev: "oh no sir is a,,, typo, yes it is Ham sir. yup"
Blizzard: "PERFECT! Cancel everything and work on this"
What you can’t do this to me!
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED?
When I worked at blockbuster in '09 we still had a preorder listing for this game and duke nukem forever
To this day, I'm still annoyed that Blizz didn't grab the Metal Arms IP when they snapped up Swingin' Ape Studios. That game had so much potential for a sequel.
I remember being so hype for this game to come out during my gamecube days. I would get magazines that showed screenshots and updates on development of the game. Me and my best friend had worked out how we were going to play through the game together. Only for this...
I loved metal arms glitch in the system. I got a case of the member-berries now. Thank you!
I remember when my mom preordered this game for my birthday! I'm still waiting for it to come out.
Love these vids man!
forgot how good the Terran music was
I still remember coming across info about Starcraft Ghost on a school trip to the Library in 6th or 7th grade. I was browsing gaming websites on the public library computers with a 56k modem and suddenly saw an ad for Starcraft Ghost. I loved Starcraft and Brood War to DEATH back then and I can still remember turning to one of my friends and going like, "YO LOOK AT THIS! LOOK AT HER OUTFIT MAN!" God I remember hormones... I'll gladly take being 30 and having everything in your body decaying rather than growing than have to experience puberty again
Fucking Blizzard though. Who the hell could ever have predicted the mess of a company that they've turned into. They produced some of the BEST RTS and RPG games EVER in the late 90's/early 00's.
I think more on the eastern side is the nice, some ideas
Parasite Eve series.
Nintendo 64 DD,
The birth of PlayStation.
Xbox in Japan,
Sony being Nintendo’s angry ex will always be my favorite industry story
@@bishop6881 Good one, Hahaha XD.
The most fucked up thing is that both Nintendo AND Sega were responsible for the creation of PlayStation 1. People always think it was solely Nintendo but nope, Sega is also the one to blame as well...
@@bishop6881 100% yea actually its hilarious.
@@roberthanthonymartinezrive7383 yea but sega doesn't hold much presence anymore so its not surprising people forgot.
Already hyped for brink
Some suggestions:
-Action 52 - An attempt at a multi-game pack for the NES with 52 games done by four inexperienced programmers and no bug-testing done what-so-ever. The game developer's owner was an overly ambitious guy who wanted to make one of the games on the cartridge, Cheetahmen, into his company's mascot and create a media franchise aimed at appealing to children.
-Doom's 3DO port - All done by a single programmer contracted to do the port in 10 weeks by a game developer with no experience in game porting.
-E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial and Pac-Man for Atari 2600 - Rushed ports that had a hand to play in the 1983 Video Game Crash.
-Simpsons: Hit and Run - Outside of troubled game development, makers of the game were sued by Sega claiming they ripped off game mechanics used in Crazy Taxi.
-Dinosaur Planet/ Starfox Adventures - Could do one or the other. Regardless, Dino Planet was originally planned to be an N64 game. But then got retooled into a Starfox game for the Gamecube under Nintendo's orders. Nintendo's meddling in the game's development got bad enough where Rare decided to ditch them and become a developer for Microsoft.
-Tattoo Assassins - Data East's attempt at a Mortal Kombat clone had a troubled-enough production as such where the game was never officially released.
Shoutouts to Swingin' Ape Studios and Metal Arms: Glitch in the System
I wish it was leaked in a unfinished somehow. Would love to see what it would’ve look like.
it's out sooner than i thought
After one year, we all know which episode of "What Happened" should be...
Keep it up Matty boy!
Oof! That D4 music at the end hit me right in the soul!
Great video.Widowmaker in Overwatch got the Nova Ghost skin,it's really neat
Metal Arms really needs the What Happened? treatment. So underrated. It got robbed of a proper sequel.
I remember, as kid, asking at my local burnt games stand for this game quite regularly and kept wondering why wasn't it comming out... That kept happening for months until I eventually forgot about it and never ever gave it a thought.
Many years later I read something about this game and it hit me again: "Ooohh this is the game that I was constantly asking for back then".
Different times....
Every time I see Brink, I think of Angry Joe's skit in his review. Those Faces...
That Terran theme in the background just made my day.
I remember seeing the ad for Starcraft Ghost when you bought Warcraft 3 and the expansion Frozen Throne. It caught my attention but I never saw it in stores wondering when it was coming out.
Yeeeeees, finally one of the two games I most wanted to see here.
LOL love the background music 7:00 The Lost Vikings!
I always wondered what happened to this game. Thanks!
I remember reading an feature article about the then upcoming SC: Ghost in gaming magazing in about 2000 and I was so excited for it. Glad to finally know why I never got to play it.
Finally we are on the BRINK of greatness.
I love the use of the Simpsons in every episode you make. Please don't stop.
Thanks for the vid Matt. I suggest Devil's Third for the future.
Watching this and seeing the near exact same parallels with the Goblins: Animated pilot:
-Complete radio silence
-"Taking time to perfect everything."
I was so hyped for this. I still have the book
How sad that the game that Swingin' Ape Studios was developing got killed like that. Considering all the time that had already been wasted on a Starcraft Ghost game it's strange that they couldn't spend a couple of extra months porting and polishing the game for the next generation of consoles.
They'd probably have just ended up making this video twice as long.
Man I actually had Ghost pre ordered back then.
Man, thanks for reminding me of imperfects, i played that game when i was pretty young and thought it was pretty fun, i also thought Paragon was such a cool character also. Didnt realize it wasnt well recieved but i think i was too happy just beating up super heros and villians
Been loving the series and I can't get enough of each episode, but holy crap it's given me a new perspective on how game development can be a sorrow filled hellscape that eclipses sanity.
On the topic of future Wha Happun's I, out of now where suddenly am wondering how you'd tackle a Battle Arena Toshinden episode, Matt. It went from a series that innovated with the side stepping for 3d fighters to...what ever the heck the Wii title was. I think it was called War budokai or something.
Anyways dude, cheers and all the best!
2:45 a wha happun on Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines would be very interesting btw
I remember being so excited for this game when I was younger, and literally every year they would get my hopes up and then... nothing. I ended up reading the line of books in middle school though, and remember the story being great in those.
However, once I was older I literally screamed when Nova showed up in Starcraft 2.
I seen the thumbnail. I read the title. I let out a literal sigh and then a sound of sadness.
That song! That quick little song! I know it from somewhere! That little millisecond theme at the beginning!!!
I remember talking with friends ages ago about how awesome a Planetside-esque StarCraft game would be, and still think it would be pretty amazing. With Activision involved though, I fear it would somehow wind up even more crammed full of pay-to-win microtransactions than Planetside 2.
I remember when Gears of War came out and all i could think at first was that it would have made for a really good action Starcraft game.
20 years and I'm still waiting for this to drop T_T
This reminds me that at one point blizzard was seen as a great developer, oh most like everything they touched was great man I do miss those days.
I do remember seeing trailers for this game and thinking it could be fun but weird spin-off choice and wondering if it ever did get released.
Before the shoehorning of identity politics and cough cough riots in hk.
@@fattiger6957 WoW kicked warcraft lore off a cliff, never get how people love early wow murdering wc3 characters yet shit on the interesting lore like pandaria being developed
Both from the footage and also the concept it reminds me a lot of Command & Conquer: Renegade. Basically if you played the whole game as one of the Nod Stealth Black Hand units.
Another awesome video, Matt~! Not to be bugging you, but may I ask if you plan on ever doing Sonic Chronicles? It's a game i really think deserves a chance on the spotlight over it's developmental history soon. Obviously you got other games on the backlog, but would it be possible Sonic Chronicles would be a option? Otherwise, keep up your good work, and I can't wait to watch more of your videos~!
This is something that could still see light in some form. It could have been an interesting stealth-action series. There is space for that in the market, esp with Metal Gear and Splinter Cell gone.
Can somebody please tell me where the music that starts at 6:50 is from? i am sure i know it from somewhere and that i used to really like it but i just can't remember where it's from.
I remember really looking forward to this. I'd just finished MGS1 and was looking for something similar. It looked really good. Sad times.