POSSIBLE ? LONG DISTANCE TOURING HARLEY DAVIDSON LOW RIDER ST

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  • @samuelkissil9352
    @samuelkissil9352 6 місяців тому +16

    ST All the way ! I think Mr. Cyclefanatix is falling in love with my Bike !!!! 👍🏻 😆 LOL 👍🏻

  • @davebrake
    @davebrake 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video! I love both these bikes, very interchangeable. One has a little more weight, a little more storage and the infotainment. the other has storage as well and a great suspension for great handling and ride. both I think are great for riding around town or a long trip, it just depends on what mood you're in that day, I have the Road Glide now, think I'll add the Low Rider ST just because you can never have to many bikes! I never get tired of these types of discussions on your channel

  • @pspez
    @pspez 6 місяців тому

    Love the banter between the both of you. Great.

  • @ericmcelroy6970
    @ericmcelroy6970 6 місяців тому +13

    Sandy is the Man. When I see what he flies, much respect. He is a badass flying them monster passenger planes. And I really think about the ST if it weren’t for my wife loving to ride with me.

    • @HOLYSHIFT
      @HOLYSHIFT 6 місяців тому +4

      Sandy is definitely the man ! 😂🤣LoL 🤪😂

    • @geraldgoodiii6993
      @geraldgoodiii6993 6 місяців тому +2

      Is it possible to not like Sandy ?
      I don’t think so

  • @J3B24
    @J3B24 6 місяців тому +2

    Great video! I like both bikes and feel they both can make the same long-range trips in style and in comfort. I guess really it all depends on the individual and what makes them feel the most comfortable and safest hauling ass down the highway. John and Sandy..stay safe and keep the great videos coming.

    • @HOLYSHIFT
      @HOLYSHIFT 6 місяців тому

      Thanks buddy

  • @purasangrethrash
    @purasangrethrash 6 місяців тому +1

    Hey John i really enjoy watching your videos, thanks for the great content!

  • @yosam5184
    @yosam5184 6 місяців тому +2

    At 77 and counting I like the Lower Rider ST AND the weight difference. The newest Harley I ever owned was a 2019 Electra Glide Standard like Sandy had. It with the 107 just over 800lbs was very comfortable except for suspension. The new ST with forward controls, floorboards, fairing lowers, and chopped tour pac, simular to a Limited would get my attention. My problem other that continuing to get older is with colors. Even the 2024 colors just don't pop to me other than the El Diablo. I currently ride a gussied up 2012 Street Glide that has progressive suspension which is like riding my easy chair. Enjoyed the conversation from you young whippersnappers!!!! LOL!

  • @FFL-vg9ro
    @FFL-vg9ro 6 місяців тому +5

    On last summer’s 1200 mile guy’s trip up to the UP of Michigan, I took the Low Rider ST instead of the Street Glide I’ve always ridden in the past. Easy Peasy. Only three differences. 1) the ST was much easier slow speed handling, and easier to move around. 2) I watched Sandy’s video and put forward controls on the ST, and I really missed being able to move my feet back after a few hundred miles. 3) we rode all the twisty back roads, so the ST was more fun than a full bagger, BUT if the trip was going to run some interstates at 80+, the full bagger would definitely be better for that.

    • @kilpel2
      @kilpel2 2 місяці тому +1

      I ordered and installed passenger pegs so that I could put my feet back, and it makes all the difference. I also watched Sandy's video and installed forward pegs. Pretty comfortable now.

  • @louisgoldfond6326
    @louisgoldfond6326 6 місяців тому

    Look whose back Frick & Frack. The odd couple. U guys are the best. Good comparison. Great laughs boys. Be well

  • @btoso32
    @btoso32 6 місяців тому

    Sandy's stache is on point!

  • @glencross4461
    @glencross4461 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video yes, indeed the ST is lighter but only by 125 pounds when they’re both wet so it is a difference! Keep up the good work!👍💯🇺🇸😎

  • @urbanadventurer5
    @urbanadventurer5 6 місяців тому

    Good stuff, I was at my local Harley dealer today discussing this very topic with two guys that work there. We landed on sportier ride quality and a lot more fun for the Low Rider ST, the 117 is perfect in a bike that weight, easier to flick around and throw into corners, and better stock suspension. Fairings are a wash like you two said.
    The strengths of a bagger include better safety features like RDRS are available, better infotainment, one more gallon of fuel capacity, easier to ride two up, and more stable on highways. With all of that being said, which is better for an individual rider has to be subjective. Both good, both infinitely upgradeable.
    I have been torn for months, but probably upgrading to the Low Rider ST over the Street Glide Standard. I will probably get the full size Advanblack bags for it though. I like the Rickrack setup too. 👍🏾

  • @kennethcole1551
    @kennethcole1551 10 днів тому

    when I travel cross country, I pull a camper behind my motorcycle so I like the gold one gross vehicle weight is 1370 pounds I weigh 150 so that made me a room for my camper and my stuff. Also, the main reason I like the bigger bike is because it has bigger breaks and easier to control the stop even in emergencies but any bike you take is a good bike

  • @Hoodsolo
    @Hoodsolo 6 місяців тому +2

    I traded my Road Glide Special in fory 2023 Lowrider ST and i love mine. Yeah the road glide was a LITTLE more comfortable but wont much

  • @tjrock8480
    @tjrock8480 6 місяців тому

    I did a 4000 mile trip from the Adirondacks to Moyers Oklahoma and. Back on my lowrider st. Did me just fine. Love lt

  • @seanliske2265
    @seanliske2265 6 місяців тому

    Love the Indie Ridge boots.

  • @user-go5vv7ij5r
    @user-go5vv7ij5r 5 місяців тому +1

    Nice video keep up the good work Cycle Fanatix

  • @TheRicokilla
    @TheRicokilla 5 місяців тому +1

    The ST fairing could be a game changer in my opinion. It’s sick. Beautiful. Till to the point I skipped booking my road glide. Yeah.. I rode couple of my buddy’s tourers, and found it too heavy and limited into how much I could utilise it fully in terms of my riding style. But the only setback I could see on the low riders is when if you have a pillion most of the time. It can be a bit congested for long rides. Anyhow great looking bikes the STs

  • @tennesseebound6597
    @tennesseebound6597 6 місяців тому +1

    I have a 2019 low rider standard , I travel with it all the time, very comfortable, I did put cruise on it, I would upgrade to a low rider ST but Im not a fan of the blacked out look, plus the clam shell bags suck! Hoping Harley updates the bags and offers a chrome version. I just love how much lighter it is compared to the touring models, and like sandy said, the suspension is nice stock.

  • @CMFS101
    @CMFS101 20 днів тому +1

    I like the look of my FXLRST. I’m shorter and some lower back pain so with the stock bars, seat and the placement pegs suck. My Dyna is way more comfortable. I was able to change up some parts that puts me in a better position. Storage does suck but I changed the bags out to Leather Pros.

  • @geraldgoodiii6993
    @geraldgoodiii6993 6 місяців тому

    Nooo wayyyy..
    I’m gonna check out that bag

  • @robertmartin9061
    @robertmartin9061 6 місяців тому

    I both you guys. I have the st and lov it. I have rider the road glide but found the weight is too much. I have a million bike miles. I have ridden my 69 750 cb from California to Maine. I still have my cb for around town fun. The st is my new roadster. See you guys in Daytona.😊

  • @rebelsroguesco
    @rebelsroguesco 5 місяців тому

    Did a 4,000 mile trip on my ST this year, and a 3,000 mile trip the year previous. With a little kit, it tours fantastically. I’ve taken it over my CVO Street Glide these past 2 years and I actually prefer it in some scenarios.

  • @kirb1892
    @kirb1892 6 місяців тому

    Great video! I am a Road Glide Guy, and I love Mad Max and everything you have done to it! I agree with you, I would take either one of those bikes on a long trip. The Low Rider is also a beautiful bike! I do prefer the extra weight and bigger size of the Road Glide. I am 62 and I would get on a Sportster and take it on a long trip but would have to have beautiful weather on that bike : )

  • @turtle19dad
    @turtle19dad 5 місяців тому

    Man I sat on the FXLRST and I love it. Very light. 5’10” and not getting any younger. So I want the ST.

  • @rexvaughn986
    @rexvaughn986 3 місяці тому

    Great video! What are the hand guards you put on your lowrider ST?

  • @charlesmccurry3602
    @charlesmccurry3602 6 місяців тому

    I have both bikes love them both , the ST is easy to move around and much more fun in the twisty . Very long trips maybe the RG not sure . Have a 128 in the RG , and a stage 2 in the ST , about to put the S&S 132 in the ST . I has a up graded throttle body and injector, 2 into 1 Thrashin pipe . Saddlemen seat . 9.5 pull back bars riser from Thrashin . Also forward controls are very nice much more leg room . Hang on I think .😊

  • @user-vq4kx3wi7s
    @user-vq4kx3wi7s 17 днів тому

    I have a black 2022 ST and run a tour pack with no problems. Did the iron butt on it last June with no issue.

  • @ericroadking7564
    @ericroadking7564 6 місяців тому

    Love it when you guys get together and bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @charlesd6459
    @charlesd6459 5 місяців тому

    I own both but my favorite is my Road Glide ST. My Low Rider S is my back up bike.
    This is mainly due to all the upgrades I’ve done on the RG to get it to the performance bagger level.

  • @dcrockstar81
    @dcrockstar81 4 місяці тому

    Did a cross country trip Daytona beach fl to Pismo beach ca with kurakyn momentum and drifter bag on sissy bar rack with no problem over 9 days on my 23 lrst forward controls and mini floorboards only mods done prior to trip.

  • @francis105G
    @francis105G 6 місяців тому

    Road Glide great for long rides on the interstate and plains. FXLRST great for the mountains and canyons, much more nimble and can still tour with awesome performance.

  • @CeeDeeLight
    @CeeDeeLight 4 місяці тому +1

    This is a good comparison and the add ons by Sandy have won me over for the Low Rider. The speakers, chin fairing and taller mirror have won me over.

  • @cliffmarriott4244
    @cliffmarriott4244 6 місяців тому

    Wow hi mate from Australia, always watching your videos & content, I have a low Rider ST as well & I’m very interested in your luggage Rack for your Road glide to put on my LR St.
    I’m hoping Sandy is going to decide to place a luggage Rack on his ST, you could say he’d be doing a trial run unless someone else out there already has one, thank you both for sharing awesome content, run safe 🤙🏽🤙🏽

  • @socalgolf9978
    @socalgolf9978 29 днів тому +1

    Best solution is to have both . My people I know have a touring bike and a smaller around town bike

  • @WEPACVO
    @WEPACVO 6 місяців тому

    I’ve had that low rider st on the brain since it came out, it would be the perfect complement to my RG named Nikki. I’d definitely use it for local Ripping Runs.

  • @angelopasotti7099
    @angelopasotti7099 4 місяці тому

    This video helped me make my mind. I’ll get a low rider S and just upgrade the fairing to the low rider st fairing.

  • @tlong9812
    @tlong9812 4 місяці тому

    That luggage on the back of my Indian pursuit would be great. Ill check it out

  • @stevewilson8752
    @stevewilson8752 2 місяці тому

    I'd definitely enjoy the Lowrider ST more because I'm 5'6 tall & not a big Big guy 😝 Good review guys 👍 Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇭🇲🍹🕺

  • @michaelhill1107
    @michaelhill1107 5 місяців тому

    Great review guys...

  • @turtle19dad
    @turtle19dad 10 днів тому

    I test rode a couple weeks ago on the FXLRST and I’m not getting any younger. So I would probably do the ST. Super light and tons of power!!!!

  • @cameronbartley6139
    @cameronbartley6139 6 місяців тому

    I agree with the comparison
    I have a Street Glide and the new Low Rider st.
    The low rider is way more maneuverable through parking areas the gas station ect....
    I luv them both.
    Mt St is my solo bike no passengers 😅

  • @CraigAquilina-fw3nn
    @CraigAquilina-fw3nn 6 місяців тому

    great video,and im sorry this has nothing to do with this video John but I was wondering if you still have the stock suspension for mad max,I have a friend that has a street glide st and wants to lower it if you still have the suspension,I think he would buy it from you,let me know thanks and keep the content coming I enjoy the hell out of it.Craig

  • @cjkirk30s
    @cjkirk30s 6 місяців тому +1

    I think the biggest difference in ability to tour of those 2 bikes is if you are riding 2 up or not. If you are like me 6'3" and 300lbs and a 150lb passenger and luggage for 2 people you definitely want a touring frame bike with heavier suspension.

  • @rynrussell4580
    @rynrussell4580 2 місяці тому +1

    i took my lowrider s added bags and a road warrior from jax fl to Louisville Kentucky and back in a weekend I've taken it to texas and all up and down the east coast. i prefer my lowrider over my old roadglide its lighter its turn angles are higher. my brother was next to me on his glide and he did the same amount of miles. so it turns into a matter of preference.

  • @josephmirigliano8728
    @josephmirigliano8728 6 місяців тому

    I love both bikes

  • @gunnermuehring3845
    @gunnermuehring3845 6 місяців тому

    Looks weird with the trees gone. Need a privacy fence now 😎

  • @gv9466
    @gv9466 Місяць тому

    What exhaust pipes are on the ST? I am really digging them

  • @MyFatherLoves
    @MyFatherLoves 5 місяців тому

    Now that Advanblack has the ST fairing, full size bags, and tour pack options for the FXLRS/ST AND you can fit a set of touring hard lowers to the FXLRS/ST. I don’t see any huge advantage the road glide may have anymore. I mean yeah, the fairing is bigger, infotainment, and front storage. The weight is nice on the highway. But that’s it.
    Is that worth the extra cost?
    I’ve owned the Road Glide Limited. Loved it. I’d still have it if it weren’t for the sob story of why I don’t have it anymore. But now that I have my FXLRS… it’s only $5,000 in parts to basically build it into a Low Glider Limited to include heated grips and a nicer seat with the above mentioned Advanblack parts, Baja lights up front, Custom Dynamics in the rear.
    Seems like a much better deal than buying an RG Limited again.

  • @KamberBCT
    @KamberBCT 6 місяців тому

    Believes it has to be that exact style rack like you have on your RG in order for it to work. The Softail ones are thinner so their bracket doesn't work with it unless something has changed.

  • @fireguy_75
    @fireguy_75 6 місяців тому

    What RG has over LRST? The dash! That little, tiny dash/display on the LRST is my only turn-off with that bike. I love everything else about it. But the screen, screen options, radio, big gauges is NIGHT N DAY versus the LRST. Hey where's your flannel with the flag on the sleeve from btw? I like it!

  • @tylerthrash3155
    @tylerthrash3155 4 місяці тому

    I have a 2002 sport chopper that has been all over, now I have a 21 heritage classic 114 you can travel on any bike some people are just snobs. For smaller people it's hard to find a bike that fits alot of the time get the best bike that fits you and get put on the road who cares what bike you have just enjoy the road.

  • @waydel1
    @waydel1 3 місяці тому

    I have a lowrider st sold my roadglide to get it. I have been on numerous cross country trips in my 67 years. The wind protection imho on the st is just slightly less than roadglide. It is way better than a streetglide as far as wind coverage. It is just easier for me to move the lowrider st around in general. I don’t need the radio i use a Lexin g6 on my Simpson helmet. That being said if you want a hot rod bike that you can tour on the lowrider st is the ticket.

  • @paulb7816
    @paulb7816 6 місяців тому

    Im not a beginner rider and I went with a Fat bob with a mustang seat, cruise control and a Sharknado Fairing.I will never go back to a Road glide due to weight difference. We all have different body style and some of us also have disability and can't ride heavy motorcycles anymore."Four wheels for the Body and two wheels move the sole " Ride safe!

  • @thomascampbell3763
    @thomascampbell3763 2 місяці тому

    Hey John,
    What do you think of the Saddleman Road sofa for long distance rides. You’re honest opinion.

  • @TwoWheelGarage
    @TwoWheelGarage 6 місяців тому +1

    I went from a Road Glide ST to a Low Rider ST then back to a Road Glide. I absolutely loved the LR and it was the most fun motorcycle I’ve ever owned however, the buzz/vibrations in the bars at high speed (70+) was horrible for long trips and even worse when you add taller bars. After a couple hours my hands were numb from the buzz. This is due to the softail engine being solid mounted to the frame vs the rubber mounted engine on the touring bikes. I wish I could have both bikes because otherwise the LRST is a phenomenal bike and very capable.

    • @Joabrantes87
      @Joabrantes87 4 місяці тому

      This is the issue I have with my low rider S. Three the thrashin supply bars on it and the vibration is crazy. Anything past 3hrs u get off the bike and ur whole body is vibrating.

  • @specialed5098
    @specialed5098 6 місяців тому +1

    Low rider st weight is 721 with fuel the road glide is 840 fueled so about 120lbs different

  • @Tom1812
    @Tom1812 6 місяців тому

    Would love to see a video review of you guys taking a day trip but swapping bikes

  • @tommyhoho9141
    @tommyhoho9141 4 місяці тому +1

    I looked at both the road glide standard and low rider st they were with in a 500$ difference from the dealer all after tax fees ans everything. I think seeing some paperwork on price. That price difference is why I decided to get my sport glide and just ordered st fairing from advanblack .

  • @user-ko2cu6th3e
    @user-ko2cu6th3e 2 місяці тому +1

    I think it’s just ergonomics at this point, unless you require that entertainment center, then go with the Road Glide or Street Glide. But the FXLR ST has the fairing, has the engine, has the bags, so...

  • @JasonRidesmoto
    @JasonRidesmoto 4 місяці тому

    What's the Zip Up Flannel??? That thing is bad ass!

  • @dinggus
    @dinggus 6 місяців тому

    I sort of wish I went with the Low Rider ST. I don't ride far as much as I'd like, but I ended up with a RG Special. Love the bike, but I think the Low Rider ST would've been perfect and whenever I do long rides, I think it would've still been comfortable.

  • @tx2sturgis
    @tx2sturgis 3 місяці тому

    The naked fork stanchions on the Road Glide would be a no-go for me, when it comes to touring. There is a reason that you see the deflectors on the ST in this video, and usually either deflectors, fork tins, or even fork gaitors on long distance bikes. It's to keep the fork stanchions from getting dented from flying gravel on the highway and/or hardened bug guts, either of which can cause fork seal failure.

  • @f.t.w1066
    @f.t.w1066 6 місяців тому

    There’s tension there ,, get in the ring boys…😎

  • @DuramaxKev
    @DuramaxKev 6 місяців тому

    I am torn between the Road Glide and the Low Rider ST. I am 6ft tall and hear the Low Rider ST is probably going to be uncomfortable for me. But Holy Shift being a couple inches shorter and loves it....I just don't know. I would definitely hit up Advanblack for the regular bags conversion and get rid of the clamshell bags.

  • @tlong9812
    @tlong9812 4 місяці тому

    Would you have the low rider st as a second bike to your road glide? Or too similar?

  • @cameronbartley6139
    @cameronbartley6139 6 місяців тому

    Cool video bro.
    You guys do sum good videos 2gether...

  • @acim2228
    @acim2228 3 місяці тому

    sandy, what seat is that. you like it. thx

  • @99naSvt
    @99naSvt 6 місяців тому +2

    its a bagger for dyna bros....i love my ST

  • @drainmonkeys385
    @drainmonkeys385 5 місяців тому +1

    It’s a bagger.. I have one.. you can do long trips… I’ve done 800 In a day. Just a few stops.. for gas a da stretch,… I’m 5’7” and floor boards … I ride hours and hours.. .. you can definitely ride as comfortable. If your taller you might want forwards..

  • @topshelf6623
    @topshelf6623 6 місяців тому

    maybe a larger person like Jon would feel the smaller Bubble not quite as quiet as a smaller person like Sandy. Jon you look good on that ST.. 👍

  • @cameronbartley6139
    @cameronbartley6139 6 місяців тому

    What's the height on Sandy's windshield.?

  • @Anhnoles
    @Anhnoles 6 місяців тому

    Your Beyond Riders code doesn't seem to work for existing customers? Says that the code is available to me right now.

  • @CMFS101
    @CMFS101 20 днів тому +1

    My registration labels the ST as a Touring Model

  • @twowheelz4life205
    @twowheelz4life205 6 місяців тому

    Little bit off topic, but are you going to keep your kid's bike outside all winter???

  • @geraldgoodiii6993
    @geraldgoodiii6993 6 місяців тому

    I call it a Mini Road Glide
    Theyre cool af
    I never really looked at it TBH when I got my road glide.
    If I was doing it over again …
    I’d have to think long and hard. Bc the LRST Is bad ass. 117 ? Yes please

  • @thezmanz28
    @thezmanz28 6 місяців тому

    I have almost 19,000 miles on my 2023 Low Rider ST. Stock storage sucks, but you can tour comfortably on it. It might not have the luxuries of a SG or RG, but it's a great touring bike. The older I get, I like the lower weight of the LRST.

    • @Chumbucketsecret
      @Chumbucketsecret 6 місяців тому

      How much shir do you need? Did 3 nights off mine with space to spare!

  • @Ben-et8wh
    @Ben-et8wh 5 місяців тому

    6:58 you're both right, the lowrider is 700 LB and it is a 200 LB difference the road glide is 900LB

  • @shanehazelton8754
    @shanehazelton8754 6 місяців тому

    People are putting the low rider st fairing on multiple HD bikes (sportster s fatbob) its that good
    Put a 131 with a cr512cam in my low rider st and holyshift its fast

  • @JJohnson1340
    @JJohnson1340 6 місяців тому

    Of course you can tour on either , both great bikes
    But you have to remember , people go around the world on a c90 , Ted Simon travelled the globe for 4 years on a 500 triumph.
    You don’t need fairing or a screen , or even panniers
    Just need to man up a bit and get inventive . It’s just about what you’re willing to do , I think some people are really just looking for car comfort … it’s a motorcycle. It’s supposed to be exciting .

  • @BikesBeardsAndBrews
    @BikesBeardsAndBrews 6 місяців тому

    I mean in fairness people have done cross country for years on a sporty so it really is what you prefer

  • @johnmarino6444
    @johnmarino6444 4 місяці тому

    Which KTM do you have is that the 890 ?

  • @XenaTheQuadCamBikah
    @XenaTheQuadCamBikah Місяць тому

    Indian Chieftain would be the one for me if I ever feel old enough to go bagger.

  • @haroldyazzie3538
    @haroldyazzie3538 6 місяців тому

    Whats the Electra glides weight?

  • @andrewrogerson3985
    @andrewrogerson3985 4 місяці тому

    Oh snap! Do I see a Super Duke?

  • @mrman487
    @mrman487 5 місяців тому

    Everyone that has a LRS or LRST already knows you can do whatever you want with them.

  • @thomcombes4689
    @thomcombes4689 Місяць тому

    How about a “Sports Bagger”

  • @garyboman5018
    @garyboman5018 6 місяців тому

    I vote option number 3 that no one has mentioned-Heritage Softail 114. 728 lbs.

  • @satyricon420
    @satyricon420 3 місяці тому

    Any bike can be long-distance just did a 6000 mile trip two years ago on a Harley Springer

  • @FatBoyJim-was-slim
    @FatBoyJim-was-slim 6 місяців тому

    ??? Fuel Mileage How far do both go. Who has the bigger tank??

  • @neil4602
    @neil4602 6 місяців тому

    IMO, if you do a lot of suburb riding with occasional touring, the ST would be your bike. Light and nimble with comforts of a bagger.

  • @juanhuttoe4517
    @juanhuttoe4517 6 місяців тому

    I have a fat boy with bags and a windshield mine feels great on the road.

  • @dandude2010
    @dandude2010 6 місяців тому

    Id get me a lowrider s with the Advanblack fairing and some sweet bags all i need is the money😅

  • @mmatma31
    @mmatma31 6 місяців тому

    I passed up the lowrider st due to my dealer selling me the roadglide standard for less money

  • @patrickhollis5332
    @patrickhollis5332 16 днів тому

    To me they are SSB super sport bagger

  • @niagarawaygmail
    @niagarawaygmail 6 місяців тому

    The best value is the LRST with the 117. touring chassis best for two up, LRST best for solo. John’s right solo he could do any trip on either bike. You can drop the bags on the LRST. Both take a sissy bar/tour pack.…Disclosure I own RGS and fat boy

  • @Hoodsolo
    @Hoodsolo 6 місяців тому +3

    Its a 130 something lighter

  • @jeffrobinson1184
    @jeffrobinson1184 6 місяців тому

    Front and rear

  • @andrewbobro6094
    @andrewbobro6094 3 місяці тому

    Jersey plates.

  • @FREEDOMGUNNER
    @FREEDOMGUNNER Місяць тому

    1:43 How to TAPE this? Sandy, it's 2024! 8 tracks & cassettes are not a thing anymore.