What if the physical-special split never happened?

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  • @BKCplaysPokemon
    @BKCplaysPokemon  Рік тому +23

    here's the link mentioned at the end of the video: www.youtube.com/@Kevingoestothemovies/
    stay tuned there, here and on patreon! also watch L' AVVENTURA (which the channel's profile pic is from), BEAU TRAVAIL (which the channel's banner pic is from), and BADLANDS (which just blew me away recently)

    • @honjon666
      @honjon666 Рік тому +2

      Subbed and ready for BKC to tell me about movies I've never seen and themes/concepts I'm not smart enough to understand

    • @boop53
      @boop53 Рік тому +2

      finishing my exams next week, gonna try and watch more movies over summer, could be alot of fun

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      @davidunderwood1773 Рік тому +2

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    • @ButterflyBlood
      @ButterflyBlood Рік тому +2

      Have you seen TROUBLE EVERY DAY? best denis imo, obviously "the big two" are travail and 35 rhums but that one and BASTARDS are it for me. need to revisit High Life as well

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      @BKCplaysPokemon  Рік тому +2

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  • @beeorsomething2230
    @beeorsomething2230 Рік тому +135

    Tyranitar no longer having physical crunch, dragonite having physical stab Hurricane, knock off being special, and the possibility for specs outrage users are also very notable changes

    • @peterh2223
      @peterh2223 Рік тому +22

      Outrage Dreigon

    • @ExpandDong420
      @ExpandDong420 Рік тому +5

      Would anyone use Outrage if Draco is still available?

    • @nwut
      @nwut Рік тому +10

      @@ExpandDong420 better accuracy? more spammable?

    • @gustavorodriguez8702
      @gustavorodriguez8702 Рік тому +14

      Also: Physical Hurricane Moxie Gyarados

    • @toastprobably9774
      @toastprobably9774 11 місяців тому +2

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  • @thepunisher6674
    @thepunisher6674 Рік тому +183

    I always find it hilarous how bkc just uploads videos at random times of the day at random days of the week gotta love it

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      @alexandergordon648 Рік тому +6

      Surprise bangers are the best kind of video

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      @plant8732 Рік тому +4

      we WILL be watching 🫡

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      @duelme1234 Рік тому +2

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      @theschnozzler Рік тому +1

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      @lucillefrancois150 Рік тому +1

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  • @qrchar
    @qrchar Рік тому +85

    Tough Claws on Zard-X would still boost the special attacks as long as they where contact moves, which I think outrage and flare blitz still would be. Grass Knot on m-meta was always boosted by tough claws still.
    I think that makes special zard-x really interesting in this situation

    • @LeleGameplays71
      @LeleGameplays71 Рік тому +4

      Zard Y may be a bit worse than zard X since its now hard walled by heatran unless u invest some EVs in phys attack and starts using EQ

    • @hiei49
      @hiei49 Рік тому +1

      A nice set would be a mixed Flare blitz, D claw, brick break and roost/thunder punch. You get to lure chansey in and smack it pretty decently with uninvested 90 bp brick breaks

    • @zaaya7719
      @zaaya7719 Рік тому

      hi Charlotte

  • @OGRScintilla
    @OGRScintilla Рік тому +45

    Hydregion may have been a higher OU threat with other’s power dropping, while it gains special sucker punch, knock off, and outrage

  • @J3Puffin
    @J3Puffin Рік тому +75

    I’m not sure we would even HAVE the Fairy type without a Gen 5 dominated by DragMag. No physical Outrage means the dragons really don’t hit as hard as they did in our timeline, meaning there’s no need for Fairy to come along and say “no fun for you Dragons.”
    Alternatively, maybe Fairy is a more balanced type altogether. Maybe it only resists Dragon, maybe it has a relationship with the Bug type that gives Bug something new to do. Who knows?

    • @AdumbroDeus
      @AdumbroDeus Рік тому +5

      I mean that's quite possible though that's its own thought experiment because he explicitly said the rules were "nothing changes except there's no physical/special split".

    • @J3Puffin
      @J3Puffin Рік тому +4

      @@AdumbroDeus Yeah this comment wasn’t a direct add-on to his proposal, just a realization I had while he was talking

    • @AdumbroDeus
      @AdumbroDeus Рік тому +1

      @@J3Puffin all good, it's an interesting addition!

    • @selearth3123
      @selearth3123 Рік тому +18

      Outrage wasn't the only thing making DragMag so powerful, remember that. Latios is the obvious example of a mon that to this day is still, in my opinion, to its very core a gen 5 OU terrorist. Now imagine it can spam specs outrage rather than drop to -2 after the hit with draco. It's less immediate power on the initial hit but all of a sudden you're threatening grab more than just one kill every time it comes in after you chip one of the few checks to it. Not to mention that pursuit is special in this alternate timeline, so ttar isn't trapping it as effectively and I can't really think of any special dark types from gen 5 that would want to sit in front of a specs latios and click pursuit.

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому +1

      at the very least we know that fairy would be a special type, because there's an eeveelution for it :p

  • @Cobalt957
    @Cobalt957 Рік тому +28

    All the dark type moves in Sucker Punch, Knock off and Pursuit will make special attackers way more threatning than physical attackers in theory. So maybe Pokemon like Zoroark and Houndoom could be way better.
    For oras case Tornadus T and especially Serperiors Knock off will hit way harder. And Pokemon like Scizor losing pursuit is really bad too, managable but having pursuit was alwas a great tool.
    Also rest in peace Weavile :(

  • @tommyfinch5068
    @tommyfinch5068 Рік тому +11

    Landorus-Incarnate suddenly being able to use Earth Power and Sludge Wave off of its physical attack stat would be absolutely absurd

    • @toastprobably9774
      @toastprobably9774 11 місяців тому +1

      Focus blast too
      So now it can invest in Attack and make U-turn sting even more while it pivots

  • @gabrielfonseca1642
    @gabrielfonseca1642 Рік тому +14

    Azumarill would really suffer from lack of physical water or fairy stab

  • @ricardoludwig4787
    @ricardoludwig4787 Рік тому +13

    Some interesting things I think are worth mentioning:
    Nidoking becomes really weird, because now it's stabs of earth power and sludge wave are physical nukes, but it loses its incredible cover unless it runs mixed sets. Lando I is probably just even more broken
    Lando-t can run HP flying, which would probably be decent on some sets.
    Mega Gengar is bizarre to even think about.
    Lucario has much greater coverage issues in all of the generations it's featured in
    Blissey is probably way better in gen 4 ubers

    • @matthewchen8452
      @matthewchen8452 11 місяців тому

      Eh SD Lucario in modern DPP generally prefers Crunch to Ice Punch because Rotom/Gengar tend to be bigger concerns than Gliscor/Dragonite for the teams its featured on, so SD Lucario would just slot Shadow Ball to serve the exact same purpose. Sure you're now walled by Gliscor and don't threaten Dragonite ever, but that's not really a big deal in terms of how you build for Lucario. Sure Nasty Plot sets become unviable but SD is the better set anyways, and it can run a mixed Lure set with Ice Punch. And Mega Lucario's most popular set is SD CC Iron Tail BP so that's the exact same.

  • @jobrosef7677
    @jobrosef7677 Рік тому +16

    A video on "what if eviolite was in gens prior to gen 5 (particularly gen 4 LC)" would be cool.

    • @Cobalt957
      @Cobalt957 Рік тому +11

      This also would be really interesting for GSC uu with haunter and Scyther and some other lower tiers in ADV. Chansey would be rediculous but this is defenetly an interesting topic

  • @adamriley9241
    @adamriley9241 Рік тому +4

    Our Cowboy still out there russeling up view and engagement cattle for that algorithm ranch. Yee-haw partner.

  • @Paytonio
    @Paytonio Рік тому +13

    Dracopult would be crazy with physical shadow ball

    • @boop53
      @boop53 Рік тому +4

      specs dragapult could still be really cool, with psychic fangs and sucker punch

  • @jfm5864
    @jfm5864 Рік тому +8

    There was a little period of time in PokeMMO where it was still only the first three generations of Pokemon, moves, and abilities available but it had a bunch of updated mechanics from new gens like physical/special split, 5 turn sand, stat buffs to certain mons, buffed moves (although iirc they deliberately withheld the knock off buff and maybe the outrage buff too?) and gave Pokemon their current gen move and ability options. It was an interesting window into what may have been.

  • @DarkenedAuras7653
    @DarkenedAuras7653 Рік тому +4

    One thing I didn't hear talked about. Skarmory. Skarmory will forever keep its status as weak to 0 physical moves, which means it'll be the forever ultimate physical wall. Same thing for Chansey/Blissey with special moves.

  • @VivitheBlossom
    @VivitheBlossom Рік тому +9

    I think tough claws would affect lots of special moves like dragon claw, since being special doesn't preclude moves from making contact. See grass knot or draining kiss.
    So maybe we'd see special mega zard x benefit from it.

  • @willjoyce5013
    @willjoyce5013 Рік тому +3

    .... Fire Punch definitely existed in gen 1, thought I was being gaslit for a second

  • @moistsquishyvaporeon
    @moistsquishyvaporeon Рік тому +6

    What if it never happened?; physical-special split

  • @whitejacket9725
    @whitejacket9725 Рік тому +4

    4:00 Actually, Fire Punch was in Gen 1, but only Magmar and Hitmonchan got it.
    Love ur videos fiery chicken man

  • @zaaya7719
    @zaaya7719 Рік тому +12

    I miss BKC laddering :')
    If you're over the ladder peaking goal, laddering with teams from the previous generation could be neat? I've always gotten a kick seeing people bringing BW-esque teams in ORAS, ADV in DPP, etc I think it's pretty doable for most gens
    Maybe give yourself leeway with access to Z Crystals/Mega Stones/Items not available in the previous gen

  • @benjulesrun9057
    @benjulesrun9057 Рік тому +5

    Latias with special Outrage sounds scary

  • @jaredletobestjoker
    @jaredletobestjoker Рік тому +9

    i wouldn't say latios would check volc in bw because latios is going straight to ubers without physical pursuit

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому +5

      and latias might as well follow it without physical pursuit. That thing takes nothing from special pursuit after a few calm minds, lol

    • @xaropevic7918
      @xaropevic7918 Місяць тому

      Also special outrage means dmeteor without a special attack drop, so ttar doesn't check specs latios anymore, or at least doesn't switch in to that set

  • @honestshao6160
    @honestshao6160 Рік тому +7

    For ZardX, contact moves don’t have to be physical (grass knot).
    For Mega Mawile, physical play rough may not be the most essential, but physical sucker punch is really essential

    • @Keegan006
      @Keegan006 Рік тому

      I think dragon claw would have been a better example

  • @theepicr406
    @theepicr406 Рік тому +4

    You always upload videos with really interesting topics. Love your work BK!

  • @hiei49
    @hiei49 Рік тому +3

    Something important to mention: Gen 5 Latios would be busted (More busted i mean) because no physical crunch and pursuiters being bad against latios in general (houndoom for example dies to surf). So it would be the only dragon type that gets better (appart from maybe kingdra or other niche options).
    Also Latias would be almost unbreakable unless you run specs houndoom or sth like that

  • @DeckKnight
    @DeckKnight Рік тому +3

    Fire Punch did exist in Gen 1, Hitmonchan (lol) and Magmar learned it. It was just entirely inferior to Flamethrower and Fire Blast.

  • @jameswhite2308
    @jameswhite2308 Рік тому +3

    Tough claws boosts moves that make contact. So Petal Dance, even though it's a special move, would get a tough claws boost. So Flare Blitz would likely be contact as well, or even Overheat would likely remain contact as it was in Gen 3. Mega-zard X would definitely still be good.

  • @toastprobably9774
    @toastprobably9774 11 місяців тому +1

    Hoopa-unbound having special Knock Off would be nuts tbh
    And just special Knock Off in general

  • @D0M1NG0
    @D0M1NG0 Рік тому +2

    BKC i geunienly love ypur content bro, its so entraintaining. from Colombia (sorry for bad English)

  • @deeznoots6241
    @deeznoots6241 11 місяців тому +2

    Physical attackers would be slightly better just because they will still have access to hidden powers for coverage without having to use their weaker special stat

  • @jameswhite2308
    @jameswhite2308 Рік тому +5

    Fun fact, the elemental punches were in Gen 1, but were exclusive to Hitmonchan

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому +3

      unless you trade back mons from generation 2 because they were TMs in gen 2. Makes pokes like alakazam a LOT scarier.

    • @DGFTardin
      @DGFTardin 2 місяці тому +2

      Jynx, electabuzz and Magmar also have their respective punches, but of course they would rather use the 95 bp option

    • @jameswhite2308
      @jameswhite2308 2 місяці тому

      @@DGFTardin you are correct, lol. I totally forgot about tha

  • @arkelon
    @arkelon Рік тому +1

    When you go to the game freak studio in 2006 but Spiderman 2099 is waiting there

  • @dark5756
    @dark5756 Рік тому +1

    Tbh I could listen to bkc talk for hours about whatever

  • @turkeyguyorsomethinggobble3639

    Weavile found dead in untiered

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 Рік тому +2

      On the other hand, no Weavile means no Chien Pao.

  • @vyktorehon5995
    @vyktorehon5995 Рік тому +2

    *Cries in azumarill*

  • @et34t34fdf
    @et34t34fdf Рік тому +1

    Technician scizor, once hidden power was nerfed to 60, would be amazing.

  • @electricVGC
    @electricVGC Рік тому +1

    Would love to see this continuing on through the rest of the generations

    • @electricVGC
      @electricVGC Рік тому

      (Like no hidden abilities no fairies etc)

    • @electricVGC
      @electricVGC Рік тому

      Mawile losing Play Rough, Sucker Punch, Fire Fang and Sucker Punch to run Brick Break Iron Head Rock Slide

  • @chicken29843
    @chicken29843 4 місяці тому

    You know honestly the effect of the split or not having the split is so cool on both sides it's hard to say which one is better than the other

  • @orbital1950
    @orbital1950 Рік тому +1

    20:30
    Pretty sure tough claws boost moves power based on contact instead of physical/special orientation (Any move that incurs rocky helmet, such as grass knot.), so special flare blitz/outrage should still be tough claws boosted.

  • @algar6616
    @algar6616 Рік тому +1

    It’s the man, movie man. Support movie man, he has heart

  • @homuraakemi3287
    @homuraakemi3287 Рік тому +2

    Spectier would plummet to like RUBL without special Ghost moves which is just hilarious to think about. It's still plenty fast with utility and set up moves so it probably wouldn't sink to the depths of it's sibling but having no stab and your entire suite of coverage be Psychic and Dark would not bode well for the horse.

    • @bomoose
      @bomoose 5 місяців тому

      psychic

  • @carucath97
    @carucath97 Рік тому +2

    I think Chansey would be worse in Gen 6 and 7, since she usually wouldn’t be switching into Knock off users (physical attackers) but if they’re special attackers then she would be more prone to losing her Eviolite. Probably could work around it but I think Blissey would be preferred

  • @Keegan006
    @Keegan006 Рік тому +1

    Serperior gets more coverage with water and dark

  • @Dave_Chrome
    @Dave_Chrome Рік тому +1

    Weavile and Chien Pao find a new home in PU

  • @littlegeek5159
    @littlegeek5159 Рік тому +1

    3:53
    Fire Punch totally existed in gen 1 even if only magmar and hitmonchan got it.

  • @Wizzyhatg
    @Wizzyhatg Рік тому +2

    For Gen 5, physics and ghosts and keldeo losing fighting might mean some of the UU fightings get called up to OU. Mienfoo would be super important to deal with TTar, Ferro

  • @fulltimeslackerii8229
    @fulltimeslackerii8229 Рік тому +2

    mons from gen 1-3 had their stats balanced around the LACK of a physical special split, the most obvious being skarmory and they should have all gotten a rework after the split was introduced

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому +1

      skarmory is honestly doing fine imo. SpD investment FTW! Its just, that there is this even bigger metal bird now, plus everyone and their mother is wearing boots.

  • @demoflower3583
    @demoflower3583 Рік тому

    Kyurem b at has fallen to its knees. Feraligatr comes to comfort it, but it too knows it will fade away

    • @rike971
      @rike971 Рік тому

      And Kingler joined them, knowing the same fate

  • @toastprobably9774
    @toastprobably9774 11 місяців тому +1

    Mixed Keldeo with CC would be kinda funny. It can actually make use of Justified now!

  • @tomwantshelp
    @tomwantshelp Рік тому +1

    Chien-Pao would be absolutely murdered. No physical STAB to take advantage of its ability. Basically locked into CB Tera-Fighting Sacred Sword, which will hit like a truck but make it extremely easy to play around. Coverage options are Aerial Ace/Acrobatics, Hex, and then you might unironically be best off with Hyper Beam for raw wall breaking.

  • @ShinyTillDawn
    @ShinyTillDawn Рік тому +3

    Fire Punch did exist in generation 1.

  • @Cepaceous
    @Cepaceous Рік тому +2

    Been waiting for this one

  • @zakkschmitt5610
    @zakkschmitt5610 Рік тому +2

    You mentioned early in the video that fire punch does not exist in gen 1 but it actually does.
    Only magmar and hitmonchan can learn it though.
    In tradebacks (which is the tier where gen one pokemon are allowed to have moves they learn in gen 2) more pokemon have access to it namely alakazam and gengar.

  • @WT_Neptune
    @WT_Neptune Рік тому +1

    I don't even want to know but I'll listen nonetheless.

  • @raindown6702
    @raindown6702 Рік тому

    That brings us back to the ancient question: where is the dragon eeveelution: fast physical, fast special eevees are still open

  • @bmac4
    @bmac4 Рік тому +2

    Fairy would probably be special if only because it would mean an even 9 types of each physical and special.
    Also Fire Punch existed in Gen 1, it just, like Waterfall, wasnt a TM/HM/Tutor move so its distribution was very bad, only on terrible Pokemon (competitively) who were also rather late in the game and not super appealing.

  • @ineedjuuce6414
    @ineedjuuce6414 3 місяці тому +1

    100% accurate Physical Stab hurricane in permanent rain on dragonite in Gen 5

  • @screwtokaiba
    @screwtokaiba Рік тому +1

    Will watch later but the very first thing that comes to mind would be Draco Meteor and CC would still exists lol

  • @oneobstyboi5697
    @oneobstyboi5697 Рік тому +2

    Another certified BKC banger.

  • @fabiomcmuffin
    @fabiomcmuffin Рік тому +1

    Kyurem black might actually be pretty decent with ice beam + physical earth power

  • @rbikidportland
    @rbikidportland Рік тому +2

    Elemental punches did exist in gen 1

  • @samu1414
    @samu1414 Рік тому +1

    Latios annihilates Gen5OU even harder then it already does, it's move get virtually unchanged and it is far less concerned about Pursuit Trapping

    • @jaredletobestjoker
      @jaredletobestjoker Рік тому +1

      calm mind, recover, hp fire, dragon claw is literally unstoppable. zam and mamo lose shadow ball and ice shard too

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому

      @@jaredletobestjoker mamo would have to run hidden power bug/ghost or something stupid like that in order to hit latios
      252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Hidden Power Bug (physical) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 276-326 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

  • @ChuckShnozwell
    @ChuckShnozwell Рік тому +1

    For mega maw you forgot that it wouldn’t get the fangs, knock or sucker. Iron head would be pretty much all it gets and would make it way weaker into offense

  • @redwarrior118
    @redwarrior118 3 місяці тому

    A year later and there is still NOTHING on the movie channel 😂😂

  • @JDoradoTube
    @JDoradoTube Рік тому +2

    Thank you for the content bby

  • @kieranclark1629
    @kieranclark1629 Рік тому +2

    I think the fairy typing being special isn’t such an obvious way game freak would handle it. They could have also made it physical and given fairy typing to psychic Pokémon with physical oriented stats to let it act like a physical sister type to psychic

  • @Qaos
    @Qaos Рік тому +1

    I'd love to see a video on unfreezing RoA tiers with dedicated councils and a large enough player base.

  • @brett1908
    @brett1908 Рік тому +1

    I was thinking of something similar to this around a week ago, I was thinking what if gen 9 had no physical/special split and how that would look with terastalize.

  • @yeet8036
    @yeet8036 Рік тому +1

    Dragapult having actual physical ghost moves would make it so annoying

  • @crobatman4448
    @crobatman4448 Рік тому +2

    Choice band crobat brave bird/sludge bomb/shadow ball/u turn?

  • @willjoyce5013
    @willjoyce5013 Рік тому +2

    I kind of think this misses that, yes, offensively some broken pokemon would be less broken but defensively things would change as well. It'd be a totally different meta, with different checks and such. I really don't think Gyrados, Volcarona and such not being great is a huge loss. Contentious Pokemon not being as bad is if anything a positive

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 Рік тому +1

      One major benefit would be that the type chart actually matters. Right now, stats matter way more than typing because every pokemon can use their best stats to hit any pokemon in the game for super effective damage. That is, perhaps, a bit of an over-exaggeration, but that's effectively what the physical/special split does. I think it'd be pretty interesting to see teams being made to counter general strategies rather than specific teams, and removing the physical/special split would make that a much more impactful teambuilding style.

  • @rike971
    @rike971 Рік тому

    Pokémon like the obvious Weavile but also Darmanitan, Krookodile, Bisharp, Gallade, Palossand, Incineroar, Zekrom, Torterra, Avalugg, Mabostiff, Leafeon, Beartic, Haxorus (yeah let's go further than OU because no Physical/Special Split would drastically change things for many Pokémon)... would significantly get gutted in some way without Physical/Special split as they lose at least one STAB on their best offensive stat and the rest of their movepools won't come close to compensate that loss.

  • @TheChron-kl8gf
    @TheChron-kl8gf 11 місяців тому

    Imagine CB talonflame priority hurricanes along with dd hurricanes in general

  • @RyanYeehaw
    @RyanYeehaw Рік тому +1

    BKC can you make a video about Spidops

  • @yeet8036
    @yeet8036 Рік тому +1

    Knowing gamefreak they would make fairy physical type. Just look at ghost and dark types

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому

      the logic behind ghost being physical is that the only ghost type move that didn't do fixed damage in gen 1 was .... lick.
      For dark type ... I don't think that game freak has any excuse here, lol

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 Рік тому

      @@IschmarVI Dark vs Fighting is basically evil type vs hero type. Of course they'd be opposites.

    • @Blanktester685
      @Blanktester685 Рік тому

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 even with moves like BITE and CRUNCH lmao

    • @Blanktester685
      @Blanktester685 Рік тому

      @@IschmarVI and gengar was the only ghost type in gen 1 with base 65 atk and 130 special...

  • @redwarrior118
    @redwarrior118 Рік тому

    Giga Impact and Hyper Beam: 🤼‍♂️

  • @chicken29843
    @chicken29843 4 місяці тому

    Waterfall over aqua tail? I guess the little bit extra damage does not do enough for it to justify the chance of missing?

  • @Me_Mike_sus
    @Me_Mike_sus Рік тому +1

    Doesn't tough claws effect contact moves. Wouldn't that still boost char X's moves even if they were special if they are contact moves?

  • @dontmisunderstand6041
    @dontmisunderstand6041 Рік тому +3

    I think it's funny that almost everything you said here is "the game would be significantly better balanced", when the general attitude of the pokemon community is that the physical/special split was a very good thing for the game.

    • @wenxiwu6480
      @wenxiwu6480 Місяць тому

      Maybe it would be more "balanced" but at the same time you would have mons cannot are basically useless: weavile, mawile(sucker punch+coverage moves), m-gyarados, m-absol and so on. Many more mons would not be usable while others can thrive in this environment.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 Місяць тому

      @@wenxiwu6480 You're describing a problem of movesets, not game mechanics. STAB is only relevant when the 'mon lacks the coverage to hit for super effective damage. That's basic math. 1.5 is a lower number than 2.
      And for the record, Gyarados has always been very strong. Even before the split. Trying to revise the history there only serves to weaken your point.

  • @fugdacommies7924
    @fugdacommies7924 Рік тому

    Weavile comes to mind

  • @igeomagician
    @igeomagician Рік тому +2

    Do the lati twins get outrage? Would they use it so could use a strong dragon stab multiple times in a row without the special attack drop?

  • @sablesalt
    @sablesalt Рік тому +3

    tbh I see gen 3 as being a bigger jump in power than gen 4 due to the ev limit making everything much much more frail.
    I kinda take issue with gen 3 for it's lack of split since it can cause some very polarizing effects for consistency as mons don't really always have things to click that are able to at least make some progress. Generally I find gen 3 has some of the most extreme differences in matchups for Pokémon which often makes midground plays much less practical creating situations where the whole game can suddenly be over from a turn in a manner much like gen 5 and in some ways worse as the lack of speed control like scarf or priority in a ev capped metagame really cuts into back ups to deal with threats, god forbid it's other factors that lead to it such as trappers.
    I say this as someone who plays a decent amount of each gen and enjoys all of them except 3.

    • @dontmisunderstand6041
      @dontmisunderstand6041 Рік тому +1

      Gen 3 also added abilities, which are unarguably the biggest change pokemon has ever made to the formula.

    • @sablesalt
      @sablesalt Рік тому

      @@dontmisunderstand6041 oh easily

    • @Blanktester685
      @Blanktester685 Рік тому

      bud literally the reason gen 3 takes so much more skill then the other gens lmao you cant just spam brainless win buttons.

    • @sablesalt
      @sablesalt Рік тому

      @@Blanktester685 bro gen 3 literally has the more clickable buttons than gen 5 💀
      Don't need to fear a scarf when dd'ing if scarf ain't real💀💀💀💀
      Cm kinda great when your pursuit weak don't get pursuited no more and now 1v1's ttar💀💀💀
      Dugtrio and magneton: 💀💀💀 💀💀💀
      Cap harder bro

  • @vezonf3nrak
    @vezonf3nrak Рік тому +1

    I don't think I agree with physical hurricane being bad for Torn-T. It is 100 vs 110 for its attacking stats. Hurricane, Superpower, U-turn, and Hidden Power Rock/Ground could be pretty sick.

  • @joshaBo
    @joshaBo 6 місяців тому

    It's not only about the offensive, but looking at the types and stats some mons have big defensive coverage.
    Like psychic beeing hit by darc type. Darc is special, so high special defense psychic pokemon do not have a threat in darc type. With these clear physical and special splits you can invest stats differently and have a LOT less threats.

    • @joshaBo
      @joshaBo 6 місяців тому

      Some stats were good to negate types only. Like darc types advantage was to negate a stab from psychic hits on your team. While psychic had nearly no threats and was one of the strongest types.

    • @joshaBo
      @joshaBo 6 місяців тому

      So the video is missing the defensive side of the physical/special split nearly completely.
      There were only 2 mentions:
      Rock type beeing hit by fighting changes, yes. Rock becomes stronger.
      Dragon type with special defense is great -> BKC said Latias needs to be hit by a ghost type.
      So that's the only analysis about type changes. There is like half a Video missing in my opinion!

    • @joshaBo
      @joshaBo 6 місяців тому

      22:50 "This doesn't really affect defensive pokemon"
      ... BKC himself said rock gets coverage against fighting, so how does this statement make any sense?

  • @user-oy7sh9uy2b
    @user-oy7sh9uy2b Рік тому +2

    Cheems Pao now sucks

  • @Keegan006
    @Keegan006 Рік тому

    Solar power charizard thunderpunch

  • @Lemon-ry6jj
    @Lemon-ry6jj Рік тому

    Would like to see a video on if HA was in gen4. (i.e. Magic Guard Zam, PH Gliscor)

  • @psyxypher3881
    @psyxypher3881 Рік тому

    Leaf Blade would still be a special move. LIKE IT SHOULD be.
    Same with Hyper Beam. Change my mind.

  • @sumthinorother9615
    @sumthinorother9615 Рік тому

    Secret sword would probably be special by secondary effect.
    I have no clue why it’s psyshock.

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому

      because keldeo totally needed another thing to make it even dumber than it already is. I guess, we should be glad that it doesn't get ice beam.

  • @Keegan006
    @Keegan006 Рік тому +1

    I think that charizard x woundnt change all that muck it has base 130 spatk and tclaws is based on contact so blitz and claw would still work due to contact thunderpunch would rise over eq and roost and wilo wisp would become more common sence dd woundnt just give you a speed boost that and some of the other moves zard has even crunch

  • @watercatcher77j
    @watercatcher77j Рік тому +1

    Pardon me if this has been suggested before, but what about a video concerning what Pokemon would look like without stab or without weaknesses?

    • @RickertUrgen
      @RickertUrgen Рік тому

      without STAB would look a bit like Gen 1 where mons like Gengar run Tbolt, Psychic/ Mega Drain and no STAB. Or Starmie runs Tbolt + Blizzard, only sometimes a Psychic STAB. Ofc you have STAB Hyper Beam Tauros which nukes almost everything. Without STAB Pokemon would live longer and it's just what Mon has the highest attacking stat. A lot of Pokemon would lose their niche as another can do it too without STAB. Without weaknesses... how do you kill Pex?

  • @captainsc7844
    @captainsc7844 Рік тому +1

    do u think chomp would be OU in dpp. since the reason it got banned was bc of its absurd speed/ bulk in conjunction w SD + perfect stabs?

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому +1

      nah, it still needs to go because of sand veil. That ability is beyond stupid in generations with permanent sand (it caused CACTURNE of all pokes to be banned from OU in gen 3). But without it it suddenly starts to struggle against a lot of the other dragons (unless it runs the chain chomp set but thats a different story) and might be reasonably enough to handle to be able to stay. But again, sand veil ...

    • @emmetstanevich2121
      @emmetstanevich2121 Рік тому

      I think I heard something about chomp running a mixed set with spAtk investment, although I suppose the main benefit to that set is the fact that the opponent had to respect its physical set.

  • @Ryanthemudkip
    @Ryanthemudkip Рік тому +3

    Why did the spikes not show up on the first replay?

  • @mumbosauce4
    @mumbosauce4 Рік тому +1

    Kyurem black drop to PU lul

  • @shimogane2474
    @shimogane2474 Рік тому

    not far in the video, but hurricane being physical...
    boooooyyyy

  • @agisuru
    @agisuru Рік тому

    I think one of the biggest game changers would be special knock off tbh

  • @Zachriris
    @Zachriris Рік тому

    zam with special attack knock off :o

  • @mrdestructoo
    @mrdestructoo Рік тому +2

    Never again bkc

  • @Niroc69420
    @Niroc69420 Рік тому

    what about foul play ? would it be a special attack that use the opponent's special attack

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому

      considering that beat up always used the physical attack stat, foul play might do so as well. But at the very least, foul play would be considered a special attack for the purposes of screens and counter/mirror coat.

  • @Eroil
    @Eroil Рік тому +2

    Day 5 of asking for what if roost was in ADV

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI Рік тому

      are you sure you really want to know? *an image of skarmory using the move briefly flashes up*