One 12" or Two 10" Subwoofers? | Car Audio
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Learn which hits harder -- one 12" subwoofer or two 10" subwoofers -- in this Howcast car stereo video with expert Movin' On.
Hi my name is Movin On, and I've been working in the field of car audio and mobile electronics for 8 over years. I've installed everything from navigation systems to full car stereo systems, remote starters, alarms, and beyond. To learn more, visit our web site at www.movinon.com.
So what produces more volume, two 10-inch sub-woofers or one 12-inch sub-woofer? This is the age-old question. The truth is the more surface area you have, the more area you move and the more volume you have. So all other things considered equal - equal amplifier, same brand sub, same model - two 10s are going to be a lot louder than one 12 because they have a lot more surface area. However, there are plenty of 12-inch subs that, as a single unit, can produce a lot more volume than two 10s, but you're going to need a bigger amplifier and a higher-powered sub. Also, 12s and 10s produce completely different types of sounds. 10s are going to be punchy and 12s are going to be boom-y. Also you're going to have to consider the enclosure these speakers are in. If a 10-inch sub is in a vented enclosure, it's going to give a boom-ier, deeper sound. If you have a sealed enclosure, it's going to be tight. If you brings subs down to something even smaller like an 8, it's going to be even punchier. Taking all these variables into account, all things considered equal, two 10s are going to be louder than one 12.
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Honestly threw me for a loop when I saw! That is him no doubt.
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Approved he is because he just made a video about it
i got two kicker 10 inch comps the pound if u buy it with there ported box as a package cheap good sound
make a video comparing 10inch subs from different makers? what makes one better than the other
dpends on the box pute a 12 in a band pass with a under powered amp and it will sound like 2 10 in a none band pass box with the same power. I thing I no a lot of people do not get but trust me its worh it is buy a amp that is smaller then your speakers it will prevent damage as most people get from not using the correct tools to tune the system
i bought a single 12...have been running a single 12 for years...been louder than the 15's in my area
ITS ALL ABOUT THE BOX!
it all depends on what kind of car as well it's going into
how do you differentiate boomy from punchy?
One goes boom and the other punches you 😂
But in all seriousness the best way to differentiate is by time. Boom tends to linger for longer and punch is quick so how quickly do you hear it and the impact it leaves is how you tell the difference. Does it feel like you got punched in the chest for a split second or does the whole car rattle for seconds after the bass hit.
What about two 12" louder than two 10"?
what about frequency response? one 12 will go DEEPER due to (among other things) the mechanical mass of the driver - yeah your two tens will be louder but that may be at a FULL octave higher than the 12 which may make you sad when your 10's can't get as low as the next guy.
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Seth’s bike hacks?
Jeremy Sharpe i think 26"s are more punchy than 29"s ......
wait wrong video
Seth subwoofer hacks
Lol
Is it actually him or it’s just a clone
Dead ass heard the voice and was like its him
Wait is that Seth from Seths Bike Hacks UA-cam channel?
Yes it is!!!
I was gonna ask the same thing haha, SBH is awesome👍
NO its not...
Yes
The size of the woofer des not determine how punchy it is. Unless you're narrow minded enough to stick with mainstream brands and prefab boxes. My 12s are punchy as fuck and still get low.
Exactly. I'm glad I read the comments before typing out almost everything you said. It's all about box designs, types of subs, the power you're pushing them with, and a lot more variables. My 2 12's will hit 140 db and still remain punchy at higher Hz, and still can hit lows. And that's in a prefab box. This friday, my custom enclosure will be completed.
True, I got 2 15"'s Dayton Audio UM15-22 in my Volvo S60, they punch harder than my girlfriends dual 10"'s and also respond a lot quicker, she's gottwo SPL-Dynamics XTR-300D2. Mine are punchier and also goes deeper. Haven't even tried to play them high yet, feeding them about 600w's each and they move just a very little amount and still rocks my whole interior in a 340L box.
Of course, of course. BUT, if you simply bypass the band so there is no lows, it simply sounds much tighter and punchier. So If I really want to enjoy some track, I have to EQ it to taste. Sometimes I put -6db or even -9db EQ at 60-90Hz for some tracks, sometimes I completely attenuate everything under 35Hz. So generally, yes, smaller diameters are punchier, because these rather lack serious lows, or hit excursion limits at almost "no power". But I´m going to find out, what happens if you throw HERD of these at your problem. I hope I will get to 25-30Hz full blast with 12 pieces.
Well tbf, a muddy bass bin will sound punchy in a square-ish living room bc of cancellations. lol Well, if somebody is rich enough to build a anechoic chamber as his listening room, then good for him.
Even though he put up a good fight I have one 12 and it is punchier then my 10's at 7800watts
everybody is always like "well a 12 can be louder than two 10s IF it's in this type of box with this and that and blah blah blah".....what the guy is saying is ALL THINGS EQUAL the 10 sounds a tad more punchy 12 more boomy. if they are both in equal enclosures built to spec from the same manufacter (i.e. compared two rockford punch p3 10s to one rockford punch p3 12) and on the same amplifier in the same vehicle positioned the same inside the car etc etc...if ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL then the 10s will be louder because of surface area and they will sound more punchy than the 12 would...yes you can put the 12 in such and such a box and not do the same for the 10s and this changes...but he said ALL THINGS EQUAL....man i hate when people nit pick every little thing on every video trying to make themselves sound so damn smart...
Little Ike
the same amp would give half power to each 10 and full power to one 12 though
tankdog03
Depends on the amp. If the amp has the same power rating at 1 ohm and 2 ohm then yes. But say the amp is 1000 Watts, that 1000 Watts going to the 2-10’s or 1-12, the 2-10s still has more surface are than 1-12. And 1000 Watts is 1000 Watts no matter how you look at it.
Also, same manufacturer, a lot of 10’s have the same power rating as their 12s, or close to it. Having 2 subs over 1 sub means you can use an amp that has double the power.
1-1000 watt 12” or 2 1000 Watts 10”. The 10s can handle 2000 Watts combined compared to the 1- 12s 1000 Watts
Even if you had 2-10’s that were only half the power rating of 1-12 , which would be the scenario you mentioned. The 2-10’s still have more surface area, so “should” be “louder” than the 1- 12.
Also all things being equal. Sub ohm ratings: 4ohm DVC sub wired in parallel = 2 ohms.
2- 4 ohm DVC subs wired parallel/parallel = 1ohm.
Or
1- 2 ohm DVC wired parallel = 1 ohm
2- 2 ohm DVC wired parallel/parallel = .5 ohm.
@@tankdog03ify tank I have been searching my ass off for this answer. --- I had 2 12's going, sounded ok... and I swear when I unplugged one the sound was louder & better. Couldn't figure out what the point was of adding a 2nd sub if it splits the RMS in half (shitty amp)
Well said..
This is fuckin stupid.. the enclosure comes into play. I have see people with one GOOD high powered 8" sub in a proper enclosure that will put to sleep 4 12's. I have one 12... at 1000w in a box that is 2.2 cubes tuned to 32hz.. and it smokes 2 10's.. its all about the enclosure my friends.
dude,
listen to what he says
he said exactly what you said
but overall, taken as average, as long as you use "the same" enclosure and similar subs, 2 ten's sound louder than 1 12
EwE Whisperer Those kickers loooove a lot of airspace.
I don't think so I had 2 infinity1062watt dual coil 10',the amp 3400watt riot in a inclosed box I made from 3/4 plywood..
I would like to see that.. My 2 tens are hard to beat. People thought i had 2 twelves with just one boston g5. Its not about how much you have its about the quality of the product.
Wait... isn't that guy that mountain biker guy?!
Ryan Metevier I was thinking the same thing I think it is Seths bike hacks or something like that
i thougt 2
It is lol
Perhaps he's a jack of all trade, master of none. Hahaha.
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I've had a single 8, 10, 12 and two 12s. I prefer a single 10 about 600 watts in a slot port. Good for every music type.
How "punchy" or responsive a sub is has to do with its compliance, its suspension, its mass, its motor structure..saying a 12 is not as responsive as 2 10's is foolish and an old wives tale. If youre really going to split hairs over responsiveness we might want to consider TWO subs may make a mess of sound waves versus one, cancellation, etc.
Punch is definitely a more musical sound when listening to serious music. When an acoustic bass has its strings plucked, there is a certain attack that is there. This is what makes a speaker stand out from others. Sheer volume is not a trait of quality in sound. Lack of distortion and clarity, or "punch" in this case serves for more accurate musical reproduction. For me, my goal is to have the recording studio brought into my car, not out-volume my neighbor, but, that's just me.
So- a 12", in a sealed?
Ya, I mean if you want to sit around and do math class on what subs to pick, then maybe you should be doing something else.
--two 12s will not sound the same as one 15" sub.
It's called transients. Now if the transducer has garbage decay periods at low frequencies, no matter the size or reflex tuning, it will always be garbage and >90% of the drivers in the market are like that. One way of overcoming that issue is by going sealed and getting the box well damped mechanically. An 18" will sound punchy and musical, heck even a 21", as long as the builder knows a little of engineering. Now with that said, if the room modes are bad, everything that I've just said will be moot unless of course you own the house and have the money to modify the house on the spot.
@@automachinehead I agree
A lot of people end up buying a larger subs because they thought bigger is better. The end result is having to justify the purchase later on by saying it has "just as much" punch as smaller subs.
The fact is smaller subs = more punch (higher sq), less volume, better mid-bass. Larger subs = more muddy (less punch), more volume, better deep-bass.
That's just physics. It's just stupid how many people try to defend their own purchasing decisions. What? Your 15" is more punchy than your friend's 10" and has better sq? It may make you feel better to say that, but when I hear someone say that I automatically know they have very little understanding of car audio.
How well a sub does depends on the motor it uses and the enclosure you put it in. The size has nothing to do with the "punchy" which I still don't understand what that is even supposed to mean. More controlled? Tighter Bass? Yeah your off the shelf 15" sub with it's 60oz magnet is going to sound like dog shit in a fan for "punchy". Take a 15" Sundown NS or any other top name 15" sub with a huge motor for control and yes it would be as "punchy" as a 10". Piece of shit 10's compared to piece of shit larger subs are "punchier" because the motor to cone ratio is a lot higher than on the cheapy 15" or 18" woofer.
Steven Watson The review here was specifically mentioning comparing subs from the same brand and wattage through the line, there's not need to get interhurt. Although sundown is pretty sex and I will need to build bigger enclosures and wallets to build up to nice toys like that
The “puch” makes my car shake and the nosie is buzzy I honestly prefer less mid bass and more focused on the deep bass in music like lil baby.
6" = 176,6 cm2
8" = 314 cm2
10" = 490,6 cm2
12" = 706,5 cm2
15" = 1104 cm2
18" = 1589,6 cm2
Well, no. Look at some speaker specs. It´s easy to run trough B&C speakers. 10" = 320cm2, 12" = 530cm2, 15" = 855cm2, 18" = 1100, 21" = 1680 or so... You have to deduct two thirds of the surround, count with manufacturers size difference, and even cone shape comes into play.
soon as he said 10s punchy, 12s boomy, he threw all his arguments right out the window. Sub size has nothing to do with how punchy or boomy a sub is. That is 99% enclosure dependent, sealed/ported/4th order/6th order/quasi 6th/ etc. But there is no replacement for displacement, 2 10s that can displace say 2 liters of air, and 1 12 that can displace 2.5 liters, a 12 in most cases will be louder with all other variables at an equal ratio with one another. just remember 99% enclosure, 1% power/sub
Someone in a stream chat said that Seth had an old howcast video and I didn't believe it. After looking for a while I can't believe that my favorite UA-camr was on howcast years before his channel exploded! XD
12"s can be punchy, even 18"s can. It's just harder to make larger subwoofers that are capable of being punchy because you need to keep the cone light or have a stronger/bigger magnet to control the bigger/heavier cone as accurately.
two 10's have effective diameter of 14.14 inches.
how'd you come up with that number
just run 1 powerful sub is all you'll need unless your into competition I go with 1 2000watt 12" or spend the money and get two JI audio W7 or 1 15" Memphis mojo eather set up is plenty you'll turn heads all day and it's clean looken
Seths bike hacks wtf you doing here
Wow, the last time I considered 10's punchy and 12's boomy was in high school and knew nothing about audio; just relied on the myths I heard. It all depends on motor structure, QTS and Fs, enclosure chosen (This was mentioned). A 12" will need a higher BL magnet to equal the ratio of it's cone/air mass, that's all. A small magnet on an 8" will sound muddy not 'punchy'. Nothing to do with cone size unless driver structure remains constant along cone increase. Beside the fact 'punchy' is observed in the 80-120hz range, and all subs have that capability (variable is the low pass crossover). If a 10 or 12 by same manufacturer line had the same Fs and same enclosure tune (example 32hz), the only difference would be maybe 2 or 3 db's from the 12" model due to frequency amplitude (also mentioned in vid{cone area}). This guy lost review credit with that comment.
Dude, shut up.
you guys completely missed the point. yes u can get a 12" to sound punchy, but the qualifier here was if ur using the same type of enclousure, same series of subs and same amp and setup, ie sealed box per specs, the 10" driver is punchier. why do some u guys who may have some knowledge never take in the full statement.
Again..the statement stands...he never said u couldn't do that. But again take the same series 10" and 12" sub. Put them both in their optimal enclosure and equal ur heart out. And the 10" will still be punchier. Yes the 12" will sound like a 10", but it wont have the same punch as that 10". That is the qualifier. So his statement stands.
It is.
Under the conditions he gave.
the same amp would give half power to each 10 and full power to the 12.. so smoke that in your pipe...
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It depends.
The SD of two 10" is larger than a single 12". So if you want more bass, go for two 10". However two 10" subwoofers will take up more space and probably requires more power.
Not to forget it REALLY depends on the subwoofer unit and the enclosure.
Some people can't comprehend the critical point the guy is making:
ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL
Read this before making a comment like "durrr this guy is dumb because durrr.....my 12 sounds tight..durrrr."
All things being equal. All things being equal. All things being equal. Listen to it. Read it. Soak it in. Soak it in some more. Sleep on it. Read it again. Then maybe....make a comment on the video. Or not.
Adam Wesley .....correct
Too many people are ignoring this fact. That's why it's easier for companies to simply say bigger is louder
Adam W. Is 1000% (yes I over rated it on purpose... Lol) CORRECT!!! thank you sir for saying what needs to be said on every post with a troll...!!!
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What would give me a better sound 2 ten's with a sealed box or 1 ten in a ported box
8 years in the business and perpetuating ridiculous myths? This is disgraceful..
The comments here prove that OP along with about half of the commenters have never read anything about the subject, have never used or auditioned any high quality equipment, have never built a proper enclosure, and have never actually done, heard, or been in the presence of a good install.
This asshat who made the video should find a new line of work.
I never found smaller subs to be punchier. I would say "peaky" more in the lower mid bass region. 12's tend to be "throatier". Both can hit hard but large speakers do so in a deeper fashion. The enclosure does over 80% of the work though.
Here to say “throatier” is insanely hilarious
Its all about the box. Nuff said.
How about 1x12@1500w rms vs 2x12@500w rms each?
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What about 1 sub with 30mm xmax compared to 2 with 13mm xmax? Would cone area win or would the higher excursion move more air??
b1782w
That’s not “all things being equal”.... as said in this video.
10s can be "boomier" if ported. just as 12s can be "punchier" if sealed. Every subwoofer is different and all fall under different categories to have different purposes either if it's for sound quality, spl or infinite baffle.
2 10"s are gonna sound louder but one 12" is gonna go lower in freq (comparing to of the same model subs just different sizes)
No. Why would that happen? All you need to play low is enough cone area, excursion and a suitable box. The 2 10"s would be louder, so if the box had the same frequency response curve then the lower frequencies outputed by it would be louder than the 12".
@@bassl0va larger coned drivers play lower.
An acid test for a subwoofer on how musical it really is, is playing double bass notes. The rendering must be distinct, fast and clean.
two 10 inch subs are louder but a 12 inch sub can reach lower notes and still sound good. If more speakers meant better sound then I'd have 30 door speakers in my trunk.
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10/10 was not expecting to find Seth here
wow, and i was considring between adding another 15 to my setup or going for a 18.... went for the 18. i think a sundown x18 would do me better with bass than 2 alpine swr 1522'ds. tobady i dont have a bigger car or i would keep both. guss the 15 is gonna just stay up on my gaming rig.
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I think the real question is with the same power which is better for lows...
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Would having 2 12s make a big difference over having 1?
I totally disagree with the Sound difference between different size sub woofers I recently had 4 -8’s in a ported enclosure that was tuned to 32 hz , that’s pretty boomy if you ask me. If the manufacturers specs for any size woofer range any where from 250 hz to 30 even 20 then you will here must of the bass noted in music no matter the size . With that being said cone area does effect how much volume and air you are moving. Also the bigger the woofer the more the sound waves can travel outside the car. For example 8’s would be more for SQ inside the car with a little more damping factor in control , as for the larger woofer’s sound can travel further out of the car.
Hey, you're that bike hacks person :)
Sid Sloth yeah he is
typical car audio shop employee talk thats loaded with disposable car audio products, lol
Whether a 10 or a 12, They have to move at the same speed to make the same sound, lol
And let me guess 8"s are even "punchier"? and wont pick up low notes as good as 10s and 12's? thats why we see all these 8"s these days flexing peoples windshields at 30hz.
The way any size woofer will sound relies 100% on how the enclosure is built.
8" sub will be punchier ?? No way , i installed one in my car and it can go very low and deep that my seat vibrates..
yeah they all do that bro..
Isn't this "berm peak"?
So you've been in the industry for this long Seth and still pedaling the old lies that 10s are quicker 12s are lower.
If this were true, it's funny how super punchy bass in a nightclub comes from 18s. How would that be possible?
Oh wait, maybe its because there are about 50 reasons a sub will have a given sound. Magnetic force, cone construction, moving mass etc etc all define a speaker's sound including punch. Stop perpetuating myths. There's already enough rubbish being circulated in the car audio world.
+lunchie80 He never said anything about subwoofers being quick or slow. He just talked about the quality of the bass. There's a reason smaller subs can be crossed over higher. Try that same 18" in a regular cab truck and see if its not boomy... lol
+u2bed91 you simply can not determine a drivers upper frequency limit based purely on diameter. Look at the pa industry, 15" drivers will run well past 1khz with no boom. JBL rates its 18s to 500hz and only super crisp bass.
You can even take two drivers of the SAME size and one will be happier crossed higher than the other. Go do some research dude, and I don't mean on Steve Meade or anything. Learn about terms like 'cone breakup' etc which describes WHY some drivers do better than others.
A lot of boominess in car audio is due to car subs having big stupid heavy cones more than anything.
lunchie80 In CAR AUDIO most subwoofers have a frequency range of 20-250hz. You can install a 12" and usually they work best crossed at 75-90 hz, (depending on the car and the rest of the setup). Some 8"s will sound good crossed to 120hz and sometimes a bit higher. The thing is pa speakers aren't designed the same way or for the same environment, so why are you comparing them? It's apples and oranges.:)
The fact remains that a 12" will sound boomier and have less clarity than an 8", due to increased output, cabin gain and being used with much smaller door speakers. Regardless if the subwoofer has a nice flat response curve.
+u2bed91 mate there are plenty of high end, car audio sub drivers which can play rather high. well above the 90hz limit you say. most of the boominess is more than likely due to a lack of equalisation when dealing with a well designed driver. its clear you only read manufacturer specs from mainstream car audio.
the simple fact is, driver diameter is NOT the main or only indicator of a drivers frequency range. i dont care what application it is. you get 10s that won't sound good even above 50hz and you can get 15s that sound fine above 90. sorry you have such a limited exposure to the audio world.
I guess I could be wrong,but you have to agree most of the people running subwoofers don't use an rta or a sound processor for eq. They do minimal(if any) eq, with their headunits.
And what do you call "nice brand subs" Just wondering what you think is good if youre trollin hardcore.
My solution has always been two 12"s
@faffy S it's all about the enclosure. I have a friend with 2 image dynamic 8's powered by 100 watts a piece. He got a box design from pwk specifically for his setup. I'm running a sundown e10 running at 450-500 watts in a box that we threw together real quick and mine hits nowhere near as clean, low, or as loud.
so I would be for two 15 inch or two 18 inch 10 or 12 are too small
best i ever heard or built....1 12 jl on a 1000w amp and an 8 closer to the seat 400w...the 12 hit very hard and that 8 added enough punchy responce to even it out...the 8 was sealed and the 12 dual ported 4" ports....in a suburban need a large vehicle for all this.....for a friend..
i have 6.5" DD subs with an fs of 43hz.... theyre not punchy
which speaker would be louder 60w-4ohm or 100w-2ohm
Hey guys, I just got a 01 Mustang GT and the trunk is tiny. I have been using 12' subs for a long time now but I have to consider getting something smaller now.
I'm thinking 2 10's or 3 8's are my best bet. I would like to go with the 8's but I'm wondering are they a joke or can they still hit the lows? I'd also prefer a sealed box because of space issues.
Thanks
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Yoooooo. It’s Seth!!
Wth, thought I reconized this guy as Seth the bike dude. Seems it's so. What a UA-cam pro!
"Boomy?"
"punchy" is usually the bass produced by music like techno, which is a quick, tight bass. Also similar to the bass produced by rock or metal bands. And "boomy" is the bass produced by rap and RnB...which are somewhat dragged out and in a way deeper. Two tens are going to produce more of a tight, accurate bass than one twelve. But then again it all depends on what enclosure you choose. hope it helps!
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doesnt always depend on size, gotta think about the wattage you're putting to it. You can have 2 10's that are 300 watts a piece, so with two 10's you have 600 watts. But then you have a 12 with 300 rms just like the 10's. so the 10's would be louder do to more power. Also gotta think about that!
A lot of you guy's missed the point.
Seth's Bike Hacks!!!!!
Currently I've got 2 8inch audiopipe subs in my car. Kid you not, i hit lower and harder than some guys out there with 2 10's or even 12inch subs. I'm only running 800 watts on both of them. My box is custom built and tuned extremely well. Everything plays a key role when setting up your car audio. Good box+ Good sub(s)+ right amount of power = good results
This is the bike dude?
Of course! 12's will sound boomy when you put them in a shitty prefab box tuned to 50Hz
While using generic numbers like these may work for a perfectly measured subwoofer, most woofers manufactured aren't actually 10, 12, or 15" across in diameter.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about :(
This info is true if your only options for boxes were the same ft^3 for each sub and tuned at the same frequency. You can make a 15 sound "punchy" and a 10 sound "Boomy". It all comes down to the enclosure.
If I have one 12 inch 250w rms sub, which of the two options would be the better upgrade?
1. Getting one more of the same model I already have, or
2. Get one 500w 12 inch sub?
I’d get a new single 12 and put the other in my spare car
one Tezla 12inch sub DVC with 3000 watts RMS would be enough to rattle your car apart. Tezla subs are the best subs on the market with one being over 700 dollars for one sub.
www.tezlaaudio.com/product-category/subwoofers/2-0k-series/
What about 2 10" speakers 500 rms each vs 1 12" 1000rms
I have 1 Alpine type R and a true 1k watts. Sounds amazing. But! I listen to rock and metal and am not impressed with the bass. Would a single 10 be better than a single 12 for rock music?? Also, my box is currently tuned to 44
Hz. It's supposed to be 33hz.. Is that a huge difference in bass?
(And it's a acura car)
late reply, sealed box is better for rock doesn't matter about the subwoofer size. the lower your ported box is tuned the worse it'll sound for rock music. 44Hz is better for rock than 33Hz.
Is this +Seth's Bike Hacks ?
Everything being equal? Maybe maybe not. When selecting a sub I always look at the low frequency reponce and the sensitivity. Example a 10 inch sub with a sensitivity 88db and low frequency of 24 Hz would for sure will give you that earthquake thunderest bass.
Bro now way!!!!! Anybody else notice that Guy Seth is the mountain biking UA-camer from Seth Bike Hacks!!!! That’s crazy!!
I will revoke your bass card unless you're talking about the very basic entry-level subs . Any good subs sound the same when it comes to so called 'lows or speed' it. Is all about
Box then cone and BL
everybody is talking loud, but no one ever ask each others what king of music you're listennig to ! That's what you need to consider first. 10's may be better for some of you, 12's may be better for the others. But there is no such thing as "12 will always be better" it's like guys with V8 always thinking that v6 sucks..... that kind of attitude is what makes most of you untrustful.
No, you misinterpreted the statement. A 10 inch woofer will be more responsive than a 15. For example. If you listen to a metal song with fast drums they will sound more clean with a 10 inch sub than a 15 inch sub. They are more responsive and can more accurately produce those fast beats without sounding muddy. I think you and the 42 people who upvoted you just misunderstood the statement.
WOW!
Obviously this guy never heard about High end audio gear.
I dare this guy to a challenge, i let him bring all the 10's he can carry against one LMS Ultra, this beast will outperform them all! Sound quality wise, loudness wise, any kinda wise you can think of.
This guy is talking so much BS!
Boomy, punchy... bla bla bla!
Whatever!
TC sounds LMS Ultra is an 18" 2KW 4"DVC D2 driver, and it is the best one i can think of right now.
and 8s are gonna be even punchier... yeah right. that statement is false indeed. i have a high excursion 8" and the louder i turn it, the "boomier" it sounds, because the more excursion, the less control over the movement and the more distortion. a 12" which has to move less to reach the same loudness, by comparison, sounds "tighter".
that's why you only see ridiculous excursions in car audio. with pro/PA speakers, it's always the less movement, the better. but for that you need BIG cones.
I have a s10 zr2 ext cab with 2 6x9s in the back 2 6.5s for the doors amd 2 4x6s and a 12in Sony Xplod 12000 watts with 2 4 channel 2000 watt amps that prolly only push 1000 however my amp that's just for the sub does not have volume control to turn up the sub like the remote that goes to the front so you can adjust what do I do I have a head unit that's a power acoustic flips out into a 7 in screen I neeeddddd help fast
"10's are going to be punchy, 12's are going to be boomy""8s are going to be even punchier"
Wrong! It's all on the enclosure design, and the sub design. You can find someone with an 8, and someone with an 18, and there's a possibility that the one with the 19 will sound "tighter". There's a possibility that the 8 will sound boomy, or even sound deeper.
"Vented is going to give a boomier, deeper sound. Sealed is going to sound tight"
Wrong again! this depends on the enclosure design as well.
This statement: 12's are going to be boomy, and 10's are going to be punchy... Makes me want to laugh so badly. If all of the subs and enclosures you've ever listened to came out of a best buy then maybe, just maybe their might be some truth here. But everyone that knows their salt will tell you that a 8 inch in a properly tuned horn enclosure is just as capable of deep bass as a 15 inch in a bass reflex design. And that 15 inch woofers can have identical frequency response to a 10 inch drive.
60w < 100w, doesn't matter what ohm. It's like asking which is greater 60watts at 4ohms or at 2ohms... they are the same.
Now, if you were to ask will I get more volume, or more power, to a speaker at 4 ohms or 2 ohms? Well that depends on whether the amplifier is designed to deliver more wattage if the resistance decreases. Some amps do, some amps don't. So 100w-2ohm would be louder if the amp provides more power at 2ohm than 4ohm. 60w-4ohm would likely play at 120w-2ohm and be louder.
This video is wrong. It's about compression and rarefaction. Compare one 10" with 10mm of Xmax and a 12" with 10mm of Xmax. In this case the 12" will win. But two 10's with 10mm of Xmax = 19.69 cu/in. It would take a 12" with 13.89 mm of Xmax to equal the same displacement. But then, there's the factor of a +6dB increase when two identical sound waves are coupled together making coherent wave forms at the same SPL. One 12" making 100db = 100db. Two 10's making 100db EACH = 106 db.
I think this idea of punchy vs. tight is misunderstood. How tight something sounds has a lot to do with the midrange characteristic of the sound. When you go to a concert, do you see them using 10 woofers? No. They have 18 or 21" drivers. The "tightness" or "punchiness" of a sound has more to do with enclosure design and system tuning than the size of your subs. There are far more other variables.
Ok, just by STUFFING my box on my 12 with abt half a pillow's worth of fluff, my single 12 hits harder than my homie's THREE tens. So it's about box, airflow (on one 12 not much is necessary), and quality of wiring, parts, harnesses and acoustics of the car (again, most of the last bit said is not necessarily true for such small comparisons, but at competition levels can make or break yea)
12 is boomy 10 is tihgt and accurate lolz...it's your enclosure that specifies your tuning and peak frequencies. You can build a box for a 10 that gets just as low as a 15 and a 15 thats as tight and accurate as a 10 or 8. These generic statements are stupid and ignorant....go on Realmofexcursion or a reputable audio forum and just take a minute to look through some of these builds and real world testing.
lol this guy obviously doesnt design boxes... I could take a cheap 8 and squeeze a 140 out of it at 40hz while staying under the budget for one of a 12" alpine type Rs (with amp!) , and I mean just raw driver, about 200 dollars. Now the reason I make these high claims is that no matter what your woofer size is, the main thing you need to watch for is how your driver models in that enclosure type before you build it that way you know if you can milk everything that drivers worth. Happy bassing :)
Fully load Fi SSD 10 inch in a 1.2 cu ft slot ported box tuned to 33HZ getting 1,000 watts RMS scared the shit out of my neighbor he literally had to run and take a shit when he first heard it. Didn't mean to do it on purpose either I was installing it and he walked up behind me on his cell as I pressed play.