Thorfinn Chooses Violence | VINLAND SAGA SEASON 2
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Episode 16: Thorfinn decides to fight! Watch VINLAND SAGA SEASON 2 on Crunchyroll! got.cr/cc-vss2-16
Around the end of the millennium, Viking, the mightiest but atrocious tribe, had been out breaking everywhere. Thorfinn, the son of the greatest warrior, lived his childhood in the battlefield. He was seeking the land of reverie called Vinland. This is the story of a true warrior in an age of turmoil.
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Violence is not a choice, it is a question...AND THE ANSWER IS YES!!!!!
W episode
Made a blood thirsty killer and told him hes pacifist now?
@@vilevagrant4632⁸
Askeladd being there in spirit form giving his boy advice was a great highlight
Ha true
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his dad
True. I wished they had done way more with that kind of ideas. Valhalla was a really cool idea, but otherwise, they have just done the whole character development through dialogue. Which isn't necessarily bad in itself, but the dialogue in itself was also a bit bland. There was so much more possible I feel.
Mappa adds these things to make it more interesting and I like it same thing they did with Aot
I got chills when we see a flash of Thorfinn as a warrior. A stark reminder that despite Thorfinn's decision to be a pacifist, he still possess most of his skills and fighting experience that allowed him to survive countless battles and Thorkell.
It's his muscle memory
A stark reminder? You german? haha
nostalgia hits like a mf
@@wainach9518 bro its correct English
Ost?
This is the first time Thorfinn has fought to save a life instead of taking one. It's a monumental moment of his development as a character.
Thats not quite true. He did fight thorkell to protect askellad back in season 1
@@JustScrapHD Why did he want to protect Askellad? 🤔
@@JustScrapHD him protecting askeladd has selfish motivations like revenge. Him protecting the farm is a selfless act to protect others. You really couldn't tell the difference?
@@evanq9743 Of course i can tell a difference between the two. I didnt claim they were the same.
Didn't even think of that because there is so much weight and meaning to the moment.
Man Snake getting chills knowing that he's dealing with a real warrior
@@ixnexus snake was getting a feeling i dont know if it was chills, but he recognised thorfinn as a warrior at that momment for sure
@@ixnexus Not really? He's fought Thorkell who's comfortably above him. Honestly maybe even Garm is stronger, that fight they had on the roof wasn't exactly his full power. Also Snake is only stronger than Askeladd in physical power, he's still smarter and more experienced so he might still win
@@ixnexus you're forgetting thorkell
Snake is an extremely interesting character. Probably an elite Viking warrior who served in Constantinople.
@@ixnexus That doesn't mean he doesn't get chills, a warrior of Snake's caliber must knows how to separate real threat (here Torfinn) from the common fodder who think he's a warrior because he carries a sword, those "chills" are Snake's instinct/experience warning him not to play around imo
I'm sorry Thorfinn, I know you did not want to revisit that side of you, but boi did i miss it.. total goosebumps!
facts
A true warrior is still a warrior in the end. Fighting is necessary to protect people you care about, like how Thors fought unarmed without killing
@@christopherross8976 it reminds me of that scene
@@christopherross8976 agreed. I think pacifism is truly just a weak way to say I don’t want to fight anymore cause I’m scared of confrontation. At the end of the day. Fighting is a part of life. Instead of running away a from it, he should accept it for what it is, and maybe use it to his advantage to over throw Canute and create a new kingdom that abolishes slavery, war, and killing
@@uncomfortabletruths7990 lol he is just a warrior man a badass one at that but brains is lacking he would be set up and assassinated so fast
They animated one of my favorite panels in the series so well 😭
They really did! Added some extra goodies in there too. They really had to cut us off halfway though! At least we know next week will be 🔥. Can't wait to see the rest of the fight animated.
I am an anime-only but I want to see the panel, which is it?
@@warido37 This are the last 2 panels from chapter 85.
@@maxojavierrojasurzua5746 Thank you!
Right? Plus they added some anime original scenes in there as well.
THAT FIRST SHOT OF THORFINN with his quivering face really killed me! It portrays his conflicting emotions so well! And when he puts on his "stance" I immediately thought of a boxer, or another "non-deadly" martial art that focuses more on "knock you out" than "cut your stomach with a sword". Brilliant scene!
I was thinking when Askeladd just put his hands up instead of taking out his sword to beat thorfinn
It’s the same stance he used with his daggers though.
@Hammurabi I. It's a needed nerf, so Thorfinn doesn't completely gut snake. This makes the fight sort of even and gives snake a chance. Also seems like snake never fought someone who uses daggers as their main. He would definitely be unfamiliar with the combat style and die.
@@rickey696 Thorfinn compared his skill level to Askeladd. There’s no way he’d be beaten as easily as you’re trying to imply.
Boxing is pretty deadly bare fist can do damage
He's not choosing violence, he's choosing to use force to protect someone who cannot protect themself
True
The title isn’t that accurate
So he chooses violence to protect someone. The title is correct
Like the boys did, its his choice now, its not forced upon him
That's just another way to say violence without using violence
I don't think it is necessarly considered violence as he does not wish to harm his "opponent", but I guess that depends on your definition and what Thorfinn is willing to do to incapacitate him.
The moment Askeladd appeared after that scene , this felt so sad and nostalgic
Despite their conflict thorfinn sees him as a father figure🥹
@@everettenjeze6276 underrated aspect of the show 😭
@@everettenjeze6276 In a way he pretty much was his god Father
@@Perry.... in my eyes yeah
Still askeladd cruel killed 62 villagers without any guilt, 😢😢 i can't like him
This is where Thorfinn starts to really understand what his father had been trying to teach him.
That you can still protect that what you hold dear without taking a life.
What it truly means to be a warrior.
A harmless man is a dangerous man-Jordan Peterson
Yeah but there must be another way without violence at all
@@nawinrueangsungnoen3243 there is and thats vinland
@@nawinrueangsungnoen3243
no, there's no way Snake's letting them go, how do you reason with him after Gardar killed 5 of his men?
@Nawin Rueangsungnoen sometimes talking it out, isn't always gonna solve the problem.
*“That’s an odd stance. Not right for a spear or an ax… A sword? No…*
* Me shouting at the screen * *DAGGERS*
I love how the series alludes to Snake being an awesome and cunning warrior in his own right without telling us anything about him: we know he trained Thorgil, we know Thorfinn sensed danger/warrior spirit from him similar to Askellad at the start of the season, and his sword suggests that he was a high-ranking warrior from a foreign country, perhaps Constantinople.
I like that you kinda have to read between the lines to understand Snake. Hope they don't just give exposition about his background, I like it more ambiguous
I think youre correct he is prob comes from somewhere between the regions is Constantinopel. But his sword wasnt being used by the soldiers of constaninopel. The sword has the design of turkish sword or even arabic. If you want look it up. I dont know with one it is but cant wait for the reveal of his backstory
@@youdontknowmeuchiha4508 Is the timeline right for maybe Snake bringing back the Sword from a crusade?
@@thetaomega7816 Nah. The First Crusade won't happen for like 80 years.
Yeah it's the right period for him to potentially be Varangian guard too, the Norse/Saxon elite bodyguard of the Byzantine emperor. I wont spoil it for myself by looking it up though.
Even in death Askeladd still a good mentor
I think u meant father 😂😂he raised thorfinn basically
Thorfinn looking alot like askeladd in this episode. I don't know what it is, but thorfinns stance reminds me of askedladd.
@@zackking3725 Thorfinn raised himself. That man killed his father so why would he be a father
@@zackking3725 no, definitely mentor. No way in hell do ya call someone who unjustly kills a child's dad for money a father figure.
@@zackking3725
y
I love how Throfinn's hand is trembling at 1:30 but as soon as he clenches his fist (or grabs his imaginary daggers) it is dead calm. In that moment he let go of anything holding him back and reverted to the state of mind which he would be in during the countless battles he has fought over the years.
From Snake's perspective he probably thought Thorfinn was feeling fear. It kinda shows by the way he's looking at him until Thorfinn goes into his stance. The second he closes his fist and steady's himself Snake's instinct kicks in telling him that Thorfinn is not a threat to take lightly. I know this is probably obvious but I love the complete visual story telling. This scene is so sick and beautifully animated.
Thorfinn was feeling fear, fear of straying back to his old self
@@moonwolf8470 yeah I know but I meant snake thought he was feeling afraid of him.
@@Bullevue yea I get what you mean
I got goosebumps when thorfinn made a fist
Same bro
When it flashed his younger self too
I was truly shook. This season is 🔥🔥🔥
Yea it was so intense and dramatic. Great moment from a great scene
@@TheJegkkon i almost died of chills
seeing thorfinn fight like that, just gives me season 1 vibes
and the fact that askeladd was behind him
Goosebumps straight when that music starts playing and Thorfinn takes that stance! Return of the Rurouri Kenshin!!
I'm tired of them farming. I'm waiting for some action
@@yobiwolrd07 They haven't farmed since episode 8
@@anantc88 i had chills all over
That animation of Snake getting like a full body synapses firing to Thorfinn preparing to fight was fire. Shows that Snake is fully aware of what the kid is most likely capable of.
so rad
I got chills when Thorfinn assumed his fighting stance. An action so simple but there's so much weight behind it given his history and his vow
The insane emotion and hype purely from Thorfinn raising his hands into his dagger stance is why the writing of this show is GOAT. This scene gives me the same chills as any big anime fight from demon slayer, Juju, AoT etc........VInland Saga is fkn Goat'd
He went from the Punisher to Daredevil, character development at its finest 👌🏼
Best way of looking at it 😂
Eh, I disagree: Punisher was a killer, but he had a righteous cause; just questionable methods. S1 Thorfinn didn't even have a righteous cause.
@@absurdturk That is true.
@@absurdturk actually he had a righteous cause which was his honour. like thorgil said it's worth more than your life 🥴
That's a great analogy.
The passion the staff behind this show has for this series is amazing to see. You can tell they love the series as much as we do, and do their best to do give it proper justice.
It better get a season 3. I want to see Gudrid, Hild, and especially Thorfinn vs Garm animated.
i doubt it... already they had a hard time to convince the company to get a second season and is a full passion proyect.
the first season didnt make much of a profit and the 2nd season is being overshadowed by other more popular animes.
number wise the second season is even lower in rating than the first season too.
@@FZJanimated oh man. I haven’t heard that but thats a shame. This season has been perfection and I can’t wait for Hild to appear.
I hope they animate all of it until the end.
@@FZJanimated What are you talking about ? It's 100% getting a S3. Japan doesn't care about ratings and VS is still one of the most popular.
It will
The insane thing is that this echoes back to Thorfinn's father Thors, who fought only with fists.
He's becoming his father.
This scene takes Episode 16 to a whole new level... The intensity in this scene gives pure goosebumps! This fight will be one of the best fight in Vinland Saga (2019- ). Now, I can't wait anymore for Episode 17 to watch this fight... ❤️🔥
The echoing of the sword gives me goosebumps and it clearly sees how much strength thorfinn used to kick it before the worst. 10/10 one of the best scenes so far.
Title sorta misses the point but such a legendary moment in the series
The person that titled it is just meming
@@Ash_Wen-li He chooses pacifist violence!
It's a meme
nah he still chose to fight for peace, but not killing thats what his father did before he died, its still a pacifist route
I disagree. He chose violence. But as Askeladd said, it's violence in the name of good.
I just love how snake sees thorfinn deciding to fight. He sees the stance. Sees his face. And knows immediately, symbolized by the energy going up his sword, that he is about to face a true warrior.
You just know what’s going through Snakes head through this whole encounter… “I knew he was a warrior”
It became more from "I knew he was warrior" to "I did not know he was a HIGHLY SEASONED warrior" because he very well could have been like one of his guys, a warrior just not as seasoned or skilled.
Snake already knew Thorfinn skill, from they first encounter. I dont think Thorfinn really showed him anything new here
Askeladd appearing again had me hyped. Can't wait for the next episode
This episode was a bomb of emotions, thorfinn is surely one of the best protagonists ever.
Thorfinn must understand that sometimes u need to throw hands just like Thors. You can avoid killing but not fighting.
Very important, that lesson. Avoid killing but nether stop fighting for what is right. Evil prevails if good men stand idle.
not that I disagree with you, but that's actually not the message that he and Thors are trying to convey. To put it in Thors words himself, "A true warrior wouldn't need a sword". He wasn't speaking litteraly, but metaphorically. Having to resort to violence, even as a last resort, is still considered a failure in their eyes. They want a world entirely without violence, and dont view that goal as a meaningful one if they have to resort to violence in order to get to it.
It's extremely naive and unrealistic, but thats their true ideal.
@@ihave2cows Yes, but Vinland gets really naive later on.
You cant even avoid killing. Any one of the people thors injured could have broken their neck and died. They just didnt for plot purposes. If you punch or shove someone they could still die.
Maybe you can avoid being a bloodthirsty tyrant, but you can't avoid conflict.
“It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.”
Season 1 : Thorfin doing violence act all the time 😴😴🥱🥱
Season 2 : Thorfin in guard position 🤩🤩🤩🤩🥳🤯🥵
thats why its better when its bulit narratively instead of constant fighting
Fr, I didn't really care about Thorfin almost single handedly taking half of the French guys.
This season his fighting feels earned
you also know you liked season one too what with the sleeping emogi's
I didn't find Season 1 boring at all.
People who wants fights in every scene: 🤡
People who enjoys fights that’s been building up to narratively: 😎
Peakland Saga
@@flash012234facts
yo this is actually facts
Yall just wanna be different so bad. Enjoy Thorfin having no further development for the next 200 chapters other than “Fight bad, violence bad, not doing anything good”
@@cole_world5739 Naruto videos are over there kiddo
Brilliant Snake has been suspicious all the while but now he knew his skills is about to be truly tested by an Agile and deadly warrior. Even grandpa crawled out to witness the epic fight.😅
Seeing Thorfinn get into his fight stance with his imaginary daggers was so nostalgic. He’s finally bouta release his inner Thors.
Best part about Vinland Saga. re-watching it in the future is going to be a joy each time.
Thorfinn taking his warrior pose, the one he's always taken, with the intention of defending himself without killing, because now he know what to do, makes me so proud of him.
1:31
Doesn’t completely clench his fist, leaving space for where the hilt of his steel would go. Incredible attention to detail. Muscle memory is a helluva synapse.
Man seeing Askeladd besides Thorfinn always hits hard. Even in death, Thorfinn's 2nd father figure is giving him useful advice. This whole interaction between Snake and Thorfinn was animated incredibly. Can't wait for the fight next episode with such a deep meaning behind it.
Oh man seeing Thorfinn get into his dagger stance and snake being put on guard gots me hyped for the next episode lol.
The most satisfying scene of the show so far. He's finally full again
Thorfinn isn't fighting for death anymore, but for life
Best episode of season 2 in my opinion . The animation is on point with this episode . Season keeps getting better and better 👑👑👑 .
I disagree. Episode 9 is the best I’ve seen out of all anime this year.
hell nah, im 100% you gonna change your opinion after next episode
@@GoWAresX Ep 9 has a hell of a metaphor. It's a complex concept to grapple with and the visualization helps express it so fantastically!
Episode 9 destroys every episode so far
Seeing his immature behavior coupled with the killer skills in Season 1 made me appreciate Season 2. He has grown tremendously in this season. One of the greatest characters ever written.
This scene hits hard after a very “relaxing” season so far really puts to light how thorfin feels
How has this season been relaxing lol
@@omensoffate there is quotes around it for a reason but I guess I’ll explain compared to the first season this is really tame there is still suspense but obviously not as much as s1
@@omensoffate
Characters developing as people on a farm to work for their freedom is objectively more relaxing than watching a child soldier fight his way through battlefields repeatedly
I really feel a lot of the sound effects for this season were incredible. The sound of Throfinn deflecting the sword and the impact revibrating through the blade, the sound of Thorfinn taking his stance, Snake's combat intuition/senses warning him of Thorfinn. All so good.
The idea of Askeladd being Thorfinn's intrusive thoughts sounds Hilarious
How is that funny ?
@@omensoffate intrusive thoughts are pretty freaking funny
When he hit that stance you know IT’S TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I didn't choose violence, violence chose me!"
-Thorfinn, maybe.
Im so hyped for the next episode. Glad to see that thorfinn is still a badass
dont get used to this
he will get more and more pacifist
Thorfinn fighting unarmed. Its like he unconsciously heeding his father’s words.
Probably not that subconscious since one of his dads last words were that a true warrior doesn’t need a sword
"That's an odd form"
Well, from what we've seen so far, it might as well be watering can.
My guy Thorfinn has been playing Stardew Valley for the last 15 episodes
this is why vinland is the best and can never be topped, love this series
The sound design on this scene is perfect, worked very well bringing tension to the scene alongside the lack of music. Cheers Mappa
Do you know what the ost or song that was playing at 1:15 ?
@@Momentai. No, but I would like to know too
@@Momentai. tell me once you find out
@@Momentai. I'd also love to know
@@Momentai. Savage Wind
the visual storytelling in this scene is awesome. Especially this moment 1:31 with snakes reaction to Thorfinn getting in stance
I love that they're not only showing Thorfinn's experience show through but also Snake's as well. You can tell just by his thought process of predicting Thorfinn's fighting style and what weapons he used to use.
Nice to see Thorfinn still got his martial arts skills after all this time
He used them for years.
@@bernardoheusi6146 He's been away for 5 years though. It takes a lot of guts to dodge snake's sword not knowing the state of your body after such a long time.
Thorfinn is an elite warrior.
Even though he hasn't been practicing his body is definitely stronger than when he was a combatant, it evens out somewhere I'd say.
@@rogiergiersthove its in his blood tho
I got goosebumps, and not because we’re finally getting a Thorfinn fight scene, but because Thorfinn, despite having fears of hurting people again, felt a stronger desire to protect what was important to him. He had a REASON to fight. And it reminded me so much of his dad. 😭
Thorfinn, the man who quits violence but he didn’t forget violence 🔥🔥
Thorfinn becoming more and more like his father Thors....
Snake getting that sudden spark, like the animal part of his brain suddenly realized it wasn’t just dealing with prey:
**This is a predator - be wary**
If you have to pray, PRAY; if you have to eat, EAT and if you have to fight FIGHT. Being present in the moment fully 100%.
This is the message from this scene, love the Askeladd moment as it explains this concept.
The details on the hands continue to amaze me in this season, so much visual storytelling is done through just the hands.
Askeladd being like: “So I heard you thought of me when you fought this guy the first time…”
And poor Thorfinn. The moment he swears off violence, they pull him back in. Love that Snake’s warrior instincts knew he was fighting a warrior the moment Thorfinn took a stance.
Thorfinn going through his development of figuring out how he’ll be able to defend the type of community he wants to make is hype!!!!
Notice how the battle music from season 1 plays when Tnorfinn takes his stance. What a way to bring it back. Yutaka Yamada playing his part at the perfect times as always
UA-cam always reminds me that I need to watch Vinland Saga every Monday
Snake trying to figure out which weapon correlates to the stance, then realising it’s knives is so cold
Snake had a neuron activation moment
Askeladd’s presence, animation, sounds, Thorfinn’s signature position, honestly, I yelled of simp
It is not a posture, it is THE POSTURE with which this goat made hundreds of kills and with the same one that faced the mighty Thorkell
This anime has me such in a choke hold, it’s such a great development story. I wish thorfinn would fight more like s1 but the character development is just too amazing to want different for season 2.
couldn't you have used a word other than a "choke hold"😭
@@AdilAli-lo7dq no.
Bro got a sword and he getting chills is hilarious 😂😂😂
Got him shook by the way he clenched his fist 😂😂
1:50 glad they added some extra for anime
It was the stuck look on everyone’s face when thorfinn dodged the attack… even the old man was stunned 😂👌
The absence of music combined with the sound effects from 0:17 on gives me chills. That was so well done.
He didn't choose violence he chose protection. He chose what he couldn't choose with his own Family.
These people are all he has now so him fighting for them is just right.
That flash of thorfinn as a young warrior when snake realized his stance.. CHILLS MAN CHILLS, the audio the background music. Everything
Anime of the year no other one comes close the pacing the story the voice acting!!and the fights !oh ecstasy!!!
I'm sorry Thofinn you have to revisit this side of you, but Papa Askeladd with him even after death, that cliffhanger had me raging, that was like the top moment all season, near tears seeing him take the old stance and Askeladd mentor him once again. Gunna be one heck of a fight. He's taken after his real father, I don't think Snake truly understands Thorfinn, but he's about too.
0:33 didn't notice this until now but pretty cool that his sword is vibrating.
You know a series is good when a freaking stance can give more chills than any other flashy combat scene.
Snake’s sword is from the middle east, possibly Persia or Turkey. Which would also explain his Mediterranean look, dark hair green eyes.
My god the chills that I got when young berserker Thorfinn flashed on the screen with his original dagger stance. I’m glad to see him growing but man do I get nostalgic if his old knife wielding warrior days.
The music playing in this scene was the same music we heard at the end of the first episode (Thors, Thorfinn and the green lights) when we saw a glimpse of the Jomsvikings making there way to Thors's village which makes me feel it signifies the past rearing its ugly head back into there lives, like the Jomsvikings with Thors, Snake's swings at Thorfinn.
This season is brilliant. The whole story is masterfully crafted and keeps it logic of why and how Thorfin becames his own man. It's both horrible and beautiful, both tragic and inspiring. Another work of art from the far East. (Yeah I'm from Europe)
Snake clutching his sword and activating brain meme to deduce Thorfinn's stance/weapon combo has me rolling and everything about this fight was perfect
This damn episode needs to win an award man! Made me realize how truly terrifying true grief and sorrow is and how simple and pure Joy can be. The background piano OST, the "I'm home" and "Welcome home lines followed by the ending theme just made me drop my head and just stay still for a second. 🙌
that flash with the stance of young thorfinn is so so good. sent chills down my spine.
1:50 This scene if full of nostalgia mixed in with Heat Animation... Can't wait for the next Chapters of Peakland Saga.🔥❤
i agree
@@randomannoyance ❤
Aight,Imma be honest with yall…When i saw this part 1:49 i literally broke down in tears..
The battle instinct radiating from Snake's sword to his brain is top-notch animating
Thorfinn: “Call the ambulance! But not for me” 😅
I was the most hype I've ever been when this scene happened.
This episode went way too fast now I gotta wait another week for the fight lol criminal cliffhanger
No puede ser que este animé ya no sea un animé, es mucho más que eso, es una verdadera obra de arte señores.
Yes!
Right here is testament to how far Thorfinn has come. He doesn't want to hurt anyone remembering the horrors of taking lives so easily. But here he understands that it's ok to defend others from aggression in his own way. He doesn't need a dagger or a sword to be a true warrior.
Thorfinn will now fight as his father thor only when absolutely necessary, with just his fists and no fatal damage.