Do Milwaukee M12 XC Batteries Really Provide More Power?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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The extra capacity batteries absolutely provide a power boost as well as longer runtimes than the standard compact batteries.
Short and very direct. Nice vid. No b.s.
Good video straight to the point. If you want more views add m12 and Milwaukee to the video title
Thanks! I was trying to keep it generic, but you make a good point it's only really "proof" for the M12 batteries.
I bought the m12 circular saw as a bare tool a few years back (not in a kit with the 4 ah). At the time I had a few 1.5 and a single 3 ah battery to use with it. I loved the saw but wanted more power. I finally got a 4 ah battery and it made a big difference. It's still just a 12v saw but now I feel like I'm getting the true potential out of it.
I hear people say that larger batteries don't make a difference, and I disagree 100%. Its obvious that they offer way more power than their smaller counterparts, and this is just more proof. Great vid
Thanks! I think most of the confusion comes from the fact that it's not the Ah rating that really matters, it's the number of cells.
I just bought a m12 surge and I can hear a noticable difference in speed just from pulling the trigger.
Yup, this is also very noticeable when using the M12 Circular Saw
short, clear, answerd my question...subbed :)
Subscribed. That’s how a quick comparison reviews should be done. Raw testing for both and info we needed to hear without being extra. Thank you.
They some how made those XC 4.0 very solid and reliable
Short and sweet. To the point. I appreciate it, thanks.
Thanks for the strait to the point
I bought two knock-off m12 batteries. They were still compacts, but they boasted of being 2 or 3 (I can’t remember and they’re deep down in my tool bag. The vibrate out of my palm nailer before quick can eehmuch get ready.) amp hour batteries. I put them in my fuel multitool. The pitch difference in sound was undeniable from my 1ah batteries that came with my original combo.
Thanks! Was wondering which to buy
XC FTW
Torque test channel did a video on this using impact wrenches, it does indeed increase power.
Short and sweet
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Thank you good sir!
Picked up a 6ah. Looking forward to see how it does vs the 4ah
Me too. Did you notice any difference sir? Please let me know if I should buy a M12 6.0 battery. Thank you. 😎
@@FAMOUSSLICKRICK i literally just bought a 6 amp hour and put it on my fuel hackzall, deff noticeable
@@stevescott1962 did you notice a increase in torque power or just longer running time? 😎
@@FAMOUSSLICKRICK i didn't use it long enough to find out run time yet but it deff feels like the saw got more balls lol
@@stevescott1962 Hahaha!!! LOL!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you sir for helping me and letting me know. I'm going to buy the 6.0ah. 😎
Great video straight to the point great stuff!
quick. thanks man
Thanks for the comparison. Most of my tools are Milwaukee M12, so this is good to know. Some M12 tools def benefit from the XC packs - circular saw, hackzall, drill with big spade bit. Then others probably don't need the extra power and benefit from small size like impact driver, rotary tool, hand held lights, etc.
Do you still have the M12 Circular saw you did a video on? I tell you I love that thing. Its just so small and light, haven't needed to break out my corded 7 1/4 Hitachi since I got that little Milwaukee.
Also enjoyed the Ryobi battery video .
Yeah, the high power draw tools are the ones you'll really see a benefit for. I still have the M12 circ, love its lightness and convenience for quick cuts.
Hey I know this is older but the fuel impact hex driver is WAY more powerful with the larger battery!
Would've preferred an M12 cp 3.0 vs xc 3.0 comparison.
I don't have either of those, sorry.
It's like having a higher C rating with RC batteries.
Exactly!
Straight to the point, 👍👍
I like using the 1.5 and 2 for quick, small jobs or on a ladder. They fit a little easier inside my tool belt too. I'm into RC cars where Brushless motors and lithium batteries have been used for a bit of time now. A bigger battery with more cells will give my trucks more power and run time. It's something well known in our hobby. Having said that, great demonstration. Certain batteries serve a purpose like the tool itself. I have a pulse impact for indoors, and large 18v impact for long big jobs. Though my new Fuel M12 combo tools seem to do it all lately. Love these little guys.
Damn those spade bits look FANCY! What brand?
It's the Bosch Daredevil set: amzn.to/2RhFc8f
Straight to the fucking point! THANK YOU
There is no replacement for displacement. 👍
People who think all capacity batteries provide the same power clearly never use tools regularly. Thanks for proving this again!
I just got sick of arguing with armchair quarterbacks! Now I can link to a video and be done with it.
Thank you, 🙏🏻
Exatamente essa bateria que eu quero! Porém aqui no Brasil custa uma nota.😬
Comprei! Bateria muito boa ótima autonomia, preço porém é salgado.
I was going to make a video of this same thing. Except I was going to use larger Forstner bits.
I'd still like to see your test with the forstners! More data and independent testing is always a good thing.
Im wondering if this is normal, when i dont tighten down the chuck and try to loosen it. Is it normal that it makes this ratcheting /grinding sound, the chuck seems to slip and wont loosen. When i do tighten it properly, it clicks couple times and then also release properly without that sound. It started doing this just now. Got the tool say a year, 3-4 times usage
can you use a m12 "fuel" battery on a m12 "non fuel" tool?
There are no Milwaukee FUEL branded batteries. They're just M12, M18, or MXFUEL. Each one works with all the tools on its respective platform.
Got 2 3.0 XC from acme tools for $89. Was thinking about returning it and finding a good deal for a 4.0aH. is the power difference between the 3 and 4 that noticable? For reference I only use the m12 drill driver, impact driver and hackzall. All non Fuel versions
I doubt you'll see much of a power difference between the 3Ah XC and the 4Ah XC.
What is the difference between 3.0xc vs 3.0cp?
Does the 3.0cp have 21700's?
No, all M12 batteries use 18650 cells, otherwise they wouldn't fit in the handle of the tool. The 3Ah CP use 3X 3Ah cells, the 3Ah XC use 6X 1.5Ah cells.
Awesome video
Thanks!
How does a cp3.0 run vs the xp3.0
Sorry I actually don't have either of those batteries
Great vid
You may be still right but why not compare exact same 3.0 Ah? From what I was told by Milwaukee on the 2.0 battery you used that it is also a XC unless stated otherwise by a CP. The kit is marketed with that battery being a XC 2.0Ah. Another reason is that I had 2.0Ah battery compared to a 4.0Ah battery with no type of extra feature and the bigger Ah battery put out more power by it just being a bigger battery and none of that cell technology. Is any of this true?
Because I don't have either of the 3Ah batteries.
Milwaukee definitely brands their M12 2Ah batteries as CP: www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Batteries-and-Chargers/M12-Batteries-and-Chargers/48-11-2420
If you saw it named as a 2Ah XC on a retailer's product listing, then the retailer made a mistake.
@@DoresoomReviews okay thanks for clarifying. I’m still wondering if the higher Ah is still powerful in it just being a higher Ah as well. Only can tell if comparing 2 different Ah CP or XC batteries.
Didn’t hit a knot in the small battery did you?
No. Both through clear wood.
I believe the title is a bit misleading...
"XC"(Extra Capacity) batteries hold charge for extended periods of time vs compact ones(they have more cells).
The video shows higher amp batteries employing more power(expected). Power(watt) = amps x volts
I was looking for a more "apple to apple" comparison when I clicked on this title
These are higher Amp-HOUR rated batteries, which means more energy storage capacity (Watt-hours). There's no metric that the manufacturer supplies concerning Amperage output. However, a side effect of having more cells to store more energy is that they can output more power (higher current draw at the same voltage). The title is exactly what the video answers.
@@DoresoomReviews There's a difference between power and capacity(power reserve). Even mfg's put specs out calculated with formulas. Plenty research mat'l available. The fact that the XC keeps up the initial level of powers is due to capacity. Individual cells discharge at a much slower rate. The video title is trying to explain how capacity = power, yet you are using different power rated batteries. See the difference?
We are saying almost exactly the same thing, but I think the difference comes down to whether the XC batteries are rated for higher energy storage capacity or higher power output. The funny thing is, I've never had anyone dispute that these XC batteries can store more energy before - I always have to argue that they are capable of more power output. That's why I made the video and titled it the way I did.
The XC batteries are RATED for higher energy storage capacity, with the side effect of them having the ability to output more power due to the higher cell count. The Ah (Ampere-hour) rating is a unit of energy storage capacity, not power output capability. It's the same as Watt-hours divided by the nominal voltage (in this case 10.8V). If you look at the bottom of the 2Ah battery, it will say 21.6 Wh. A 2Ah battery can output 2A at 10.8V for one hour. It can also output 4A at 10.8V for half an hour. The "amp number" in the amp hour rating is NOT a measure of its max current output capability. The 2Ah battery can output waaaay more current that 2A. You can drain it in the span of 15 minutes if you're running it on a power hungry tool, which means it's outputting an average 8A during that time period.
"Extra Life", "Extra Power"... "Extra LIFE"...."Extra POWER"..
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The title makes sense to 99% of the people who view this video but the 1% don't get it. Don't over think this dude.
What about compact 3.0 vs xc 3.0?
I don't have the compact 3Ah to verify, but I suspect the XC 3Ah will still outperform it.
@@DoresoomReviews Do you think there's a difference in power between the xc 3.0, xc 4.0, and xc 6.0? Or is it just run time?
I'd guess just run time, but only have the 4Ah of the XC style, so I can't verify.
My question is, if theres an adapter, could u use the m18 batterys with no negative consequences
No, these tools are designed for use with M12 batteries only.
@@DoresoomReviews ok, wasn't sure. Figured I'd ask before unspent money and burn up my new tools
That would definitely suck! Milwaukee does include a multivolt charger in M18 tool kits though, which helps ease the cost of getting into the M12 system if you find a good bare M12 tool with free battery promo.
@@DoresoomReviews I have one. Bough the m18/m12 charger an batter an adapter for my m12 coat. Now I need to get the xc battery for my stubby impacts haha.
Capacity X Discharge rate= more power under load.
What about a compact 3.0 vs a 3.0 xc
I don't actually have either of those, but I'd expect the 3Ah XC to perform similar to the 4Ah XC, and the 3Ah CP to perform similar to the 2Ah CP.
Any power difference between the 4ah and 6ah?
I don't have the 6Ah to test with, sorry.
How do you get the batteries off so easy. Mine are very hard to remove
Are you using 4Ah or 6Ah batteries with it? I've found those tend to be much harder to remove. I think Milwaukee's molds for the black plastic tabs must be a little bit off for those components.
@@DoresoomReviews it is an XC 3.0
Ah, so same XC form factor as the 4Ah and 6Ah. If you try a CP style battery, I bet you'll find it much easier to remove.
Now the 6.0
Don't have a 6Ah, sorry.
What about the 3.0 xc vs the 3.0 cp?
I don't actually have either of those, but I'd expect the 3Ah XC to perform similar to the 4Ah XC, and the 3Ah CP to perform similar to the 2Ah CP.
@@DoresoomReviews I think that would be the true myth buster. Same AH battery just one is xc and one is cp
That comes without saying it will have more power
You'd be surprised how many people want to argue with me about that! 😂
Not sure why this was in debate (?)
You'd be surprised at how many people argue with me. 😂
Just like a lot of answers in life, it depends.
Any idea what cells Milwaukee is using within their 4Ah and 6Ah XC batteries? I was watching another video in which the OP opened a supposed Milwaukee 6.0Ah battery (which I think was a knock off). His battery had three 18650 samsung 30Q 3000mAh 3.6V batteries (wired in series presumably). If I understand lithium-ion battery architecture correctly that meant his battery actually only gave 3.0Ah @ 12V, not 6.0Ah
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The batteries in that other video are real OEM batteries - they're just the design that Milwaukee sells overseas. There were 6 cells in that 6Ah that he took apart - the three in the stem of the battery weren't shown. So that gives two sets of 3 cells, which comes out to 10.8V (12V max) @ 6Ah total.
@@DoresoomReviews There's only 3 my friend. Video don't lie. Don't believe open it up and see.
I watched the video. He didn't disassemble the battery enough to get to the cells in the stem of the pack. There are three more bundled vertically above those. Otherwise, where do you think the cells are in a compact battery pack?
Dilithium Crystals ...scotty
Does the 6.0 version provide even more power or just run time compared to the 4.0 one.
It may have a tiny bit better performance than the 4Ah due to less voltage sag, but I doubt it would be very noticeable. The majority of the boost in power comes from moving up from 3 cells to 6 cells.
Dude! Thanks for your response. I got the 6.0 one. Very noticeable with the rpm speed
@@takingagamble7032 the 4.0 uses LG 2100mah cells which are higher discharge than the 3.0 cells, so you will lost a small amount of power with the 6.0 but gain run time.
@Allison Duramax Because the LG HD4 cells that make up the 4.0 battery have a 25Ah max discharge, the Samsung 30Q cells that make up the 6.0 have a 15Ah max discharge.
Think of the cell capacity as a water tank, and the max current delivery as the water pump. The 6.0 might hold more, but it can't match the flow rate of the 4.0.
Now this only matters in a few of the higher demand tools. Hope this helps.
@Allison Duramax the 2.0 and 4.0 battery use the exact same cells. The difference is the 2.0 uses a single bank of 3 cells, and the 4.0 uses 2 banks of 3 cells. So the 4.0 is like having 2 tanks each with its own pump. Twice as much storage and twice as much flow.
The only other factor that will come into play is the over current cut out in the tool itself. If that over current cut out is set lower than the max output of the 4.0 or 6.0 battery, then the tool won't make use of the extra oomph from either cell anyway.
For a die grinder, you are not going to attempt to stall it out, so I don't think it matters in this instance. Go the 6.0 for the run time 👍