Boss RC-500 - How to Route the Loops
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2024
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We show How to Route the loops as well so they are coming out of the channel that you want.
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#bosspedals #bossrc5 #routing
John there is something that is not mentioned here and it is a SOLUTION to completely preserve your routing:
To preserve your A-B or L-R stereo routings you have to set track IN and OUT properly!! If your track IN is set to ALL, then everything is mixed down to a mono sounding stereo file, and you will lose your routing when the loop plays back. Although if you have it on MIC/INST, then it will be true stereo recorded left and right. The track OUT have to be set to ALL. Don’t make the same mistake I did 🤣! This is not in the manual, but it is mentioned in the Parameter Guide. Make sure you know, this will not fix the loops you already recorded. You have to re-record them the right way!
This is good advice 👍🏻
I'm hoping this means if put the track IN as INST IN and OUT as ALL, i also get a stereo signal that gets routed properly. My setup is Guitar in IN A and Bass in B, I wish I can have them on both tracks in their own amp
yep. It's in the Parameters guide: "Sound that is input to the INST IN jacks (A/MONO, B) is assigned and recorded to A and B (L, R)."@@LaBoiteAGogo
@@TomiTtime that is great, I was horrified to think it would miss that function when rc-5 has it
came for the rc 500 info stayed because of the force. May it be with you 🙏🏼
And also with you. 🙏
Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but when you mess with the channel routing it can double the volume of your track. For example if you set the track 1 output to only be channel A, then it seems to double the input volume (probably because of the way it sums it). My solution has been to just halve the volume for any tracks I do this with
Yes this can happen cause you are sending signals to now mono outs and the summing up is greater. Great tip 👍🏼
Not all heroes wear capes lol, you just did something NO ONE did in their reviews
Aww thank you 🙏
Hi, thank you…. Been looking for a long time now for a clear explanation of the outputs… was about to go buy a much more expensive looper to be able to split 2 channels/tracks into 2 different outputs that goes inside my interface to be able to mix them separately for live gigs. Got a spd one kick on one side and my electric guitar on the other (that goes inside my computer)…. Anyways you saved me a lot of money so thank you again! And a new subscriber here 🔥🙏
Awww I’m so so glad that’s helped you. It’s pretty customisable. 👍🏼
Here’s the playlist of what I’ve made for the 5 and the 500 so far.
Hope they are all useful to you. 👍🏼
ua-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs.html
Thank You, I just orderered one as I have all the other Boss and Digitech models.
Nice! 👍🏻 hope these videos help you.
Here is the playlist of all the RC-500 videos I have done so far - ua-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs.html enjoy 👍🏻
I learned something, great advise. Thanks JP
Welcome mate 👍🏻
Great video. I have been thinking about making a video like this, relating to questions in the Facebook group, but your beat me to it with great quality and insight. Compliments.
Awww thank you 🙏
Hi. I have this looper and am enjoying it a lot. However I couldn't manage to set a reggae drum beat. Any ideas?
You re right. There is no reggae beat.
Here is the list of drum beats.
SimpleBeat1-4, GrooveBeat1-7, Rock1-4, Funk1-4, Shuffle1-5, Swing1-5, SideStick1-5, PercusBeat1-4, LatinBeat1-4, Conga1-3, Bossa1-2, Samba1-2, DanceBeat1-4, Metronome1-4, Blank
Now you could take one of these and turn on/off certain elements. Each beat is made up of 4 parts.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Sounds good - how?
Hello John! And is it possible to separate the mic loop output and instrument loop output on the same track? Thank you so much!
Technically yes.. however you will have to separate the mic and instrument output from the input button.
Pan the mic one way and the instrument the other. Then you can grab the audio out of one side and the other. Downside is it’s all mono.
But not the worst thing in the world 🤣
Hi i was wondering if i had a guitar in track A and something else like a bass in track B could i send the outputs to individual amps but still loop them together ?
Yes 👍
Awesome thanks 👍
Hello John!!...a question: could my guitar go through the two outputs (one to each Amplifier) and at the time of making the loop, that loop would go out through an amp and the subsequent signal of the guitar would be cut, leaving only the loop sounding in him and continue playing on the other amp?...Thank you!!!
Yes, absolutely
When i play my guitar through the RC 500 the volume level is very low when I'm doing a loop . I tried turning up the volume on my guitar. Question how do you control the volume level output for your instrument or increase the volume ?
There is a recording volume and a play volume. The play volume is the faders you can see. The recording volume is in the input button menu.
Hey JP :) do you know of anyway to keep a stereo left right signal for the guitar, but also isolating the mic out to be on a seperate channel? So far it seems impossible, cause the guitar needs to be on both output channels for it to be stereo (cause I’m using stereo delay before going into the looper). Thanks!
hey 👋
so this is the limitation of the RC-500. it has 2 outs. the left and the right. that’s it.
so you can send the stereo out and the mic out to any of the two.. but you are asking for it to be a 3 channel (or more) looper. it’s simply not possible. Next one that can do that from Boss is the RC-600 / RC505mkii
Hey John, not sure if you’ve answered this before but is there a way to cycle through drum patterns on the RC500 using midi? I have an MC3 controlling my RC509 and can’t figure out how to go through the different drum patterns.
I’ve programmed tap tempo, start/stop, pattern variation and pattern rhythm 1/2 but scrolling through the different pattern still eludes me. Any help would be appreciated and thanks for all the videos on midi with the rc500 so far 🙏🏻
Hey Sam - sorry I'm just seeing this now.
Have a look at the RC-500's Parameter guide - really important - I have them downloaded and saved onto my iPad for CONSTANT reference. Go to page 10 and have a look at the options there as the Target for the midi command - There isnt a cycle through or increase or decline option but there is a way to change whats called 'RHY Pattern' and the 'Kit'.
Hi John Paul ! Thank you so much for this video !
This is great information. I was desperately looking for a solution to separate guitar and voice loops. Now I have a solution.
I am definitely considering buying the RC-500.
I was actually trying to find the best option for GUITAR AND VOICE LOOPING (+ having the option to add some vocal effects like delay, reverb, and harmonies).
So I was hesitating between getting the BOSS VE-500 alongside the RC-500 ; or go a different way with TC Helicon, and get a Voice Live 3 Extreme (and get all I need in one pedal).
Or I could also keep the VE-500, and get a bigger looper, like the RC-600, and this way, I can have an ouput for the guitar, and stereo outputs for the voice.
Any hints on the best configuration would be highly appreciated !
I have been looking for months, and can't decide what's best. ; )
Thanks in advance !
Hey glad it’s helpful.
If you are used to the VE-500 then it’s very similar to the TC-Helicon but with the advantage of midi, so you can sync the effects to the timing of the loops. Then it’s just a case of what looper.
The RC-600 is a monster but the opportunities with what you can do are a lot more than an RC-500. However, to be devil’s advocate, if you only ever need a max of 2 loops and are using the VE-500 for inputs and effects and sending that to the looper, then the RC-500 is all you need (maybe with an external pedal for more buttons).
Here’s my setup.. just mentally replace the Voicelive Play Acoustic for your VE-500: ua-cam.com/video/VE9vLqGX_Gs/v-deo.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you for your kind response and explanations !
Yes, I think the rC-500 is enough for my needs in terms of looping (and smaller).
my only concern with this routing is losing the "stereo output".
If I use 2 pedals, the RC-500 alongside the VE-500, could I do my setup like this :
- For the MIC : enter in the Looper first, then mono output (on one of the tracks), to go into the VE-500, and from there, output in stereo to the mix table.
- For the GUITAR (doing the opposite) : enter first in the vocal effects pedal (VE-500), output in mono to enter the Looper (RC-500), and from there, output to the Guitar Amp.
In terms of sequence, would that work?
Thank you agin so so much for your help and advices ! Cheers from Switzerland ;-)
Hi, thank you for your work. I have the following problem with the outputs. If I set A as the output for the instrument and B as the output for the rhythm, then in channel A I hear only instrument (which is ok), but in channel B I hear both, instrument and rhythm - I would expect that there should be just the rhythm in B. Any advice? Thank you
I may have just realized the answer to that. I was having a similar issue with my guitar coming out of the output with the loop track after I assigned loops to Out-B and Instrument to Out-A. In track "Edit" I changed the Inputs as well to segregate I/O A from I/O B. What I DIDN'T do was assign the Input routing TO the Outputs by using the menu under the INPUT button. The Rhythm Output assignments are done from under the same INPUT menu, and not from the input parameters found in the track EDIT menus. It's a little confusing and now I'm not really sure what the Input settings in the track edits are for exactly. 🤷♂
So, I just tested that my guitar no longer comes out of the B output unless I switch it using the INPUT menu. I'm assuming the Input selections in the Track EDIT are to accept inputs for taking in loop recordings and NOT for output routing.
Do I just need instrument cables if I to an audio interface for the drums to play through my studio monitors? Don’t know why I can’t figure that out on my own before I buy one. Or do I need to use TRS from looper, to audio interface. Thanks to anyone who can answer.
Just instrument cables TS left and right out. 👍🏻
Hello, is something like this possible with the RC-10? I would like to have my guitar through input A and output A to my guitar amp and my bass go from input B through output B into a bass amp and have the drum tracks go through output B only so they play on my bass amp.
Hey 👋
So sort of, yes.
Press MENU and scroll to OUTPUT MODE. The RC-10r has 2 options. One is the default of STEREO and the other is A:Loop and B:Rhythm. So if you set it to this, connect your guitar to input and output A and your bass to input and output B then this should be okay.
The only downside is I think the bass, when looped will come out of A.
I’m not sure cause I don’t own an RC-10r but you’ll just have to experiment.
Hope this helps. 👍🏻
Hey there JP, I have an interesting question for you. I'm currently using a Pigtronix Infinity for looping, which in addition to its regular outputs, has an aux out which sends just the audio of looped parts. With ABANDONS I do a lot of live looping, and use the aux out to send the looped parts to an amp which sits behind our drummer. This allows him to clearly hear the loops, without having any of my live playing muddying it up, as his amp only plays the loops from the aux out on the Infinity, which doesn't include my live signal. I watched your video but it's unclear whether I can accomplish this with the RC-500 routing options. Is there a way to send just the loops to output B, and have output A contain both the loops and my live signal?
Hi. Ooh that’s interesting.
So in short, yes. Output A would be for the main PA and output B would be for your drummer.
You would send the loops to both output A&B (as it is on default) and then send just what you need for the main PA to output A only.
This can be done with the inputs, loops & rhythm (although the drummer might not want to be replaced with a rhythm track 😂) but good for percussive stuff.
Is it possible to route the two separate inputs as separate outputs on the same track? EG: I have a song where I set up a 2-Bar percussion loop with my guitar on Track 1, then during the song I add a 4-bar phrase with both guitar and voice on track 2. Or would it just be easier to upgrade to another loop station with more channels?
So yes. You can tell the vocal to be output B and the guitar to be output B for both the normal outputs of the instruments and also the loops.
Hope that’s what you mean. 👍🏻
Hey JP , hope your well my friend ! I'm running in dual mono just like your video showed .. A vocals - slot 1 on mixer .. B guitar - slot 2 on mixer .. for some reason when I use the rythym it's coming out A and going into vocals and it's picking up the reverb for my vocal setting on the mixer ... How do I route the rythym to B?
Hello buddy.
Press INPUT button > RHYTHM > and you can change it there. 👍🏻
Great help, thanks for the video
More than welcome 🙏
hello JP, I am having an issue with the mic input, very low volume and gain no matter what I do. There has been a post on a facebook group or page where it has been addressed. No answers though. My only solution would be connecting all the instruments and mic to a mixer then connect the RC 500 onto the mixer through instrument ts line. Do you have any info or knowledge about this issue? Thank you
Hello. Yes, this is a common complaint about the RC 500.
The one thing that I have found, is that the Noise Suppressor (NS) is switched on by default.
This can have quite an effect on the volume coming in, and I have turned mine off.
Click the INPUT button, scroll to MIC IN NS, and play around with this setting.
Be aware, this only really affects the recorded loop, not the natural input.
I use a vocal processor, the boost the signal beforehand (TC-Helicon Voicelive Play Acoustic) but your solution is a good answer.
The advantage of this is you can do dual mono looping.
Have a look at this video about dual mono sleeping and its advantages: ua-cam.com/video/tErt9uASsPs/v-deo.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you so much. I have a Behringer Flow 8, just starting out. I'll reduce the NS preset. Dual mono sounds good.
Hey JP ! Something I’ve having a prob with is my volume levels .. my chain goes mic - tc play acoustic - boss RC 500 - mackie mix 12 - 2 channel single speaker .. ..so the tc , boss rc 500 and mixer all have seperate gain levels for my dynamic mic .. where do I set the gain level ?
Hello mate. sorry I've only just seen this.. slipped through the net. I would set my initial levels for my vocals and insurgents at the voicelive play acoustic and then set the loops level on the RC-500 around 90. That way, your vocals and guitar will always cut through and the loops are never over powering.
I recorded a drum sequence totalling 32 measures into track one and saved it on memory one. I played it back and recorded a chord sequence against the drums on track two. I want the loop of guitar and drums to play back in timing together. What do I do?
Also I note (when using microphone) the microphone level remains too low even when I raise the input mic level to maximum. Is this because my microphone is the wrong output sensitivity and or the boss RC 500 has a different input sensitivity to my microphone?
Hi 👋
So if you have a 32 measure on track - and a chord sequence on track 2, they should play back together fine. You could change one of the buttons so they stop and start together. 👍🏻
Also regarding the Mic (and instrument) input there is a compressor and NS filter on the input settings that is ON by default. You can turn these off in the input settings and this might be the reason. The Mic input of the RC-500 has been noted as low by a few people.
Heya, is there a way to route audio to different outputs on the RC-5?
On the RC-5 you can use in mono or stereo but there isn’t a way to route internally.. just input/output A and input/output B. You can use two different instruments in A&B and they will go out the same way.. but that is the limitation.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I was afraid of that. I guess they have to keep some of the cool features for their expensive loopers. Thanks!
Thanks for the video. I have a clean guitar track laid down on track one and I want to laid down a distorted guitar on track 2 while listening to the clean track for timing. But when I do that and listen to the play back, both tracks come out distorted. What setting should I use for input/output to correct the issue? thx
Make sure the clean track isn’t coming in too hot. Click the input button under the mic knob. Check the input volumes are not too high if the input is distorting then that might be the problem. There is also a noise suppressor (NS) on all inputs set to 50 as standard. Have a play with this also to make sure that isn’t the reason it’s changing the sound. Hope that helps.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Great, one other question. Can you delete separate tracks? I want to clear track 2 but when I clear it, it clears both tracks 1 and 2. thanks.
Yes Mike.
You just need to check the stop pedal.
Go into memory > Ctl > pedal 2 and it should already be on Cur Stop (Clear) which will clear the currently track but leave the other track alone. If not, change it back to that. But that is the default.
Hi John, I need this video on the rc 600. Been trying to seperate my inputs and outputs to then feed into a desk but I am still getting the loops coming through all outputs..
Me too - albeit on the RC-500
Hi! I bought this rc 500 because the shopowner told me that it's amazing for singing alone in acapella. Dubbing yourself and letting stuff out when in chorus, etcetera. Can't figure it out... please help me?
Hey 👋
Hopefully this playlist of videos will help you. 👍🏻
ua-cam.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs.html
Hey JP! What's up pal ? I've been messing around with my 500.. im running in dual mono mode into a mixer like your video demo showed .. vocals out A into slot 1, guitar out B into slot 2... Is there way to route the rythym into output B? For some reason it's coming out A and I have reverb going to channel 1 for the vocals and the rythym is picking up the reverb .. hope your well my friend !
Hello buddy.
Press INPUT button > RHYTHM > and you can change it there. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK awesome!JP is the loop master 👍. Please send me the link to buy you a cup of coffee.. I owe you .. thanks Jp
Thanks man it’s www.buymeacoffee.com/Johnpaulmusicuk
@@JohnPaulMusicUK ok got the link thank you .. sorry I had one more thing I needed to run past you .. so on the 500 I’ve been practicing with both tracks on auto .. also I’ve been laying down a 4 count percussion beat on track 1, then switching to track 2 to lay down the guitar .. track 2 is going to be longer than track 1 so I turned off loop sync for both tracks .. if I stop both loops right before chorus and bring them back will it start me back at the beginning or is it going to start where I stopped it ? I’m trying to get better at this stuff but man is there a lot of info to digest
If I record vocal.
How do i take the vocal track out temporarily?
If it’s the last thing you recorded then you can undo/redo. If it’s on a separate track then you can turn that track on or off. 👍🏻
Good afternoon. Can you help me? I want to make sure the RS-10r Looper can be paired with the BOSS-RC500 Looper? Synchronize via MIDI. Make a single whole out of them. Use the RS-10p as a drum machine. I know the RC-500 has very flexible settings. You can assign any button to any function. Does the RS-10r have this capability? I didn't find any information on the internet, oddly enough.
Yes, you can do this. the RC-10r can become the main looper and dictate the bpm and beat whilst the RC-500 follows the tempo and syncs to it. The rhythm section of the RC-500 is good and of course the quality is 32-bit but there are good sections on the the RC-10r. Have a look at the manuals for both on Boss'website and look under pairing. you just use the midi (would need the right cables) and you can do it.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks for the answer
Welcome 🙏
I've banging my head against a brick wall, so I'm hoping you can help (I've just subscribed to the paying version BTW :-)) Right, first I have a mic and a guitar. Mic should go into MIC IN, and only to T1, Guitar should go into to INST IN B, and T2. Mic should also go (only) out of T1 (OUTPUT A) to its own channel on the desk. And the same for the guitar on T2 (OUTPUT B). I've followed your instructions in the video to the letter but am not getting a signal into the desk from the guitar....
Hi Nicolas 👋
Thank you for becoming a member.
So.. follow me closely, there are 3 things you need to change.
The inputs, the outputs of those inputs and the outputs of the loops.
1) select input button underneath the mic level
2) change MIC IN to OUT-A
3) change INST IN to OUT-B
4)EXIT
5) Click track 1 edit
6) Scroll across until you see T1 INPUT and Change this to MIC IN
7) Stay on the same menu and scroll across one more to T1 OUTPUT and put this to OUT-A
8) Press the Track 2 edit button
9) you should be (if you didn’t click exit between steps 7&8) on T2 OUTPUT, Change this to OUT-B
10) Scroll BACK one to T2 INPUT and change this to INST IN
EXIT AND WRITE THE THE MEMORY.
You should now have the mic and the mic loops only coming to Output A and the guitar and guitar loops coming to Output B.
Enjoy. 👍🏼 😊
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Cheers JP - it works perfectly!!
Awesome 👏
Hello :) Is it possible to record with drums? I do not register drums in the wav file ... Regards Sielek :)
Are you looking to capture the kit from the Rhyrhm section? The wave file is your instrument or mic from the looper.
If you want the Rhyrhm section as a wav file, you would have to record it from the looper into a recorder or DAW and then save that. Hope that makes sense?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for the hint :) I think I'll just buy an audio interface and connect the looper's output. It will be the easiest way ... Regards :)
Yeah, good option. Don’t know why they took the ability to use the looper as an audio interface out. Such a shame. Miss that option, especially for recording.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK The drums can be in a loop :) There is an option in the settings. Input - Rhytm LOOP. Then they record while playing :) They are in the vaw file :)
Ahh. Okay. In the Parameter guide ‘Rhythm - Loop is described like this -
‘With the “LOOP” setting, RC-500 drum sounds played by note messages from an external MIDI device can be output to a track and recorded.’
So I read that as it would send the same ‘pattern’ out as midi for an external drum machine to play it.
I wanted to upgrade to the RC-500 from my Boss VE-8 (Which has an integrated looper just as a feature)... but the routing settings on the VE-8 just make more sense to me... I can select where the voice and where the guitar is coming out... Why can't the Boss RC-500 remember what's voice and what's guitar for every track? So for example voice is always coming out from Output A and Guitar always from Output B no matter which track is playing.... You always need to have Voice and Guitar seperated live, what are they thinking? This is bullshit, I'm glad I didn't buy it....
The routing can be set for the whole system if you want to for the inputs.
Have a look at the parameter guide on page 14 and that is setting it for the whole system. static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/RC-500_Parameter_eng01_W.pdf
But the output routing of the loops is per memory.
Hope this helps.
You are very clever sir
Thank you 🙏
I'll have to watch again to be absolutely clear - a diagram would have been nice to help visualise what is going on.
I have a problem: No matter what I do - and I believe I am doing it correctly as per your instructions ( and the manual) I cannot seem to isolate OUT-A and OUT-B. Everything comes out of both jacks, even if I am only trying to output rhythm to OUT-B. I even tried reinstalling the firmware. Everything else works perfectly. Cringe....
So have you changed the input as well as the output? Click on the input button (underneath the mic volume dial) and make sure you have changed the inputs as well as the outputs and the outputs of the loops too. 👍🏻
Let me know if that helps.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you so much for your snappy response.
Me oh my. Tried plugging in both a and b out into a Scarlett 2i2 connected to GarageBand on the Mac so I could monitor the sound a bit better. Each track receives its own separated signal from the Scarlett, of course. Audio in both channels, even tried the A&B with bass and guitar - the sound from both instruments still comes in both channels. Aaargh. What really bothers me is that I cannot output the drums separately. I wonder if my unit is ... fawlty :-(
And... oh yes I clicked the buttons and chose ins and outs. And Saved.
Beautiful piece of machinery, but this is...
@@NielsDesmo I feel your pain. Maybe you have it worked out by now but I have both the input A (guitar) setting to go to output A and the loop channel 1 setting to go to output A and only rhythm coming out of output B. I still get guitar out of my PA hooked up to output B. This is a deal breaker.
Ну почему нету aux in?Boss что за фигня?Why is there no aux in? Boss what the hell? Thanks for the video! Nice channel!
When live looping backing tracks on the fly and the pedal is on the floor this is of no use. Might as well just buy backing tracks. This pedal is extremely limited when it comes to verse and chorus. And the drum menu access is so overcomplicated when live. Bobbing up and down all the time. I bought this and found that the old Rc-30 is a much more user friendly pedal live.
Interesting. It totally depends on how you define “user friendly” Matt.
I agree for just plugging in and looping, it’s not the easiest and it seems to me that they tried to cram as MUCH as possible into it, which means LOTS more setup time at home before any gig.. but in terms of versatility, it wipes the floor with any of the RC-Floor pedal range that’s come before it. (Not including the 202 or 505).
My only gripes are - 1) loss of the USB as an audio interface 2) the volume and noise suppression on the inputs. 🤷🏻♂️ why , and 3) the pedal can sometimes be a bit too clever for its boots if you are ever so slightly out it thinks you need an extra bar. This can be responded with either dictating the bars or free mode or really nailing your timing.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Actually the 300 is still the flagship for live versatility. I can plug in my guitar bass and drumkit and go out to a mixer for vocals. The only thing is it's too big for the gig bag potability. I love the drum sounds in the 500, but what a pain for live stuff. I thought at first it would mean not carrying a drum kit, but I'm back to that. There is the wow factor too, but that is mostly just to get a reaction from other musos...look and he plays drums. The Joyo looper with 40 beats is so much more simple live. Just dial it up on the style and play.
I can't follow this at all. Makes me want to throw away my rc 500.
What are you stuck on? Anything I can help with?