BOSS RC-10R vs BOSS RC-500 Loop Station! Which should you choose!? | Product Review
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2020
- Today we are going to talk about the BOSS RC-10R vs BOSS RC-500 which loop pedal is better? Since the BOSS RC-500 and BOSS RC-5 announcement, people have been asking me is the BOSS RC-10R still worth it? Or should they buy the BOSS RC-500 Loop Station. We shall answer this question in today's video!!
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I prefer the red one
Look everyone, the comedy King
Not me, I like the red one.
I like the RC one
@@someoneelse6934it is not RC one, it is RC-10.
But the bigger one sounds bigger.
Great compare and contrast video. I really like how you outline the limitations of the pedals and highlight what they don’t do , as well as, what they do do. Overall, super helpful review. Thanks.
Much appreciated! Glad you liked it!
I've been watching all your videos, really amazing quality and great info delivery. Thanks!
This was the exact video I was looking for, thanks!
I have a quiet feeling, that I am one of the people, who encouraged you to make this film. Very helpful, thanks! :D
I really like your videos and your thorough reviews with facts and specs. Well done sir!
@7:35 First of all, you can. This doesn't replace the 10R, it is still available and I think even made by Roland / Boss. Secondly, you can add a lot of control to the 10R by plugging in a MIDI-controller. Or use the switches on an ES-8 controlling the 10R that way. In addition to the CTL 1 & 2 ports. It doesn't have to be a total nightmare, young padawan.
Thank you Ben. This is very helpful and focused.
Nice explanation, easy to understand You, thanks!
Anyhow, for people who have doubts about what to buy.... A tip: just be sure that if you might buy another looper that the one you buy now can be synced (by MIDI).
Beautiful review, thanks! (loved the explanation about the R suffix)
I have the beatbuddy mini 2, it took me some time to get used to do drum fills, since it's almost like playing another instrument while playing the guitar,
coordinating the time of doing the fill, it's not as intuitive as one might think,
but after getting it I can't imagine using a drum machine without a fill in option.
So at that price range, if I was to choose, it would be the rc 10r.
Thank you soo much for the video!
Just one question- is there a different in the sound quality of the drums?
Very thorough, thanks for sharing
Love the videos, Ben. I bought an RC-10R and I wish I could figure out how to expand the drum rhythms (super tough to find just some plain ol' rockin drums). If you ever get bored and want to do a video on how I would go about importing my own midi files onto the machine, I would appreciate it. I was able to get a midi track onto the Rhythm Converter and onto the machine, but it wouldn't play properly. I also created a midi track in Reaper, but I am unsure if I set the track up properly for me to break it down on the Rhythm Converter. Any help would be great! Thanks
Nice One! Very Clear explanation.
Thanks, was expecting this vs
Does the RC-500 sync drum loops with the guitar loops as the RC-10R does?
Thank you for the great class!
Good job buddy. Thanks heaps of info. Aloha
Glad to help! Thanks!
It’s easy to switch between trk1 and trk2 on the RC10R. You just hold down the rhythm switch and tap the loop switch to change tracks for editing. This makes the RC10R much more usable but sadly many UA-cam reviewers have not read the manual so fail to share this information with potential users.
I agree. The rc 10r is very useful for doing verse chorus ideas. Not sure if the boss rc 500 can do the same but that's why I bought the rc10r
I find that move a huge pain in the a$$. It's like heel toeing a guitar pedal. Near impossible to actually hit both with your feet.
Got the pedal a couple weeks back lol
@@papa_pt sit on a chair and use both feet? :D
I agree
I purchased the RC-10R a few days ago and delved deep into the settings and it's capabilities. I'm only a beginner, but do believe this fits in perfect for learning and encouraging children to learn as well. They have ironed out all the issues and memory is not a problem with mass storage options via the mini B USB port. As for looping vocals on the RC-10R, I don't see any problem if a small mixer is used into the inputs. You could have two loops, with voice or instrument, or both. For those that have seen year old videos of complaints of the RC-10R, I assure you it is all sorted and a definite good buy. Setting that were previously missing and complained about are also now in the new firmware. So yeah...
Hey there. Any updates on your lopper? Do you still have the Rc10?
@@RiffLair Not had the chance to use it but wouldn't get rid of it due to it being a great practice tool with customisable rhythms. I primarily bought it for the children to grow into (it has metronome as well). But the music room has been packed up all this time. I'm hoping things will change and it will be used regularly.
I'm also interested in the Boss VE-22 despite having onboard effects on the mixer. Would be good if they combined the RC-10R with the VE-22.
Hi Ben; fantastic review. Wanted to ask, I am pretty new to looping pedals, I see a video where you connected 2 boss RC 500 loopers together to make a 4 track looper.
Is it possible to connect the RC10R to the RC30 looper in the same way you did the 2 RC500 together ???
2 years later has the 500 updated to have any fills yet? cause that's pretty cool that the 10r can do that
Well done Ben,unlike the super dooper looper there wasn't a single ummmm or arrrrr in your uncut ? presentation and it helped me to choose the RC500 as my default machine/machine/machine so thank/thank/thank you for that.I'm a budding rap artist and my first public release i would love to share with you - Isn't it Tip Top, hearing Hip Hop,wearing Flip Flops in a Chip Shop.....it's a start ! ATB Ben love your style.
Does the rc10r boss synchronize with the rc500? Example: the looper that you make on the rc500 hits the same time as the rc10r battery?
I did watch your RC10r video, and have been considering both of these units. I love all the patterns and fills of the RC10, but also like the idea of the 500. They need to make a 500mkII and retain all the 280 patterns and fills so it can better fall in the middle between the RC10 and 600.
I purchase the RC-10R and I love it. I'm considering to purchase the RC-500 and sync them via midi cable. Have you tried this already? Can we have 3 custom loop pedals + 1 with rhythm fills this way? Thanks for your answer. I respect a lot your opinion at this matter.
Great video😊👍someone told me boss rc10 have problem with drums follow loop.Can i record loop and after press drums switch?and drums automatically setup tempo for loop?please let me know.Great chanel😊👍
Hey man I saw someone using the rc500 using up the 1/4 inputs and cord but also finding a way to loop in extra audio from a daw.. usually I would send that audio through the auxiliary but I noticed that these pedals do not have an auxiliary..
My question is, is there another way to get audio in using the USB or Midi Jacks, taking the place of the auxiliary on the old unit?
Hi Ben, I bought the 10r when it came out. It is a little finicky, but the drums are fantastic sounding in a live mix.
Do to expansion modules (master clock) needed and expansion buttons needed for control, do you recommend maybe using both in unison, or just upgrading to rc600. I am mostly interested in guitar oriented jamming, and songwriting. My system is midi capable and I use a mixer. I am willing to set up an online paid consult.
Hiya Ben- I have not been able to figure oout if I can use the tracks on the BOSS RC-500 to create a completely separate verse and bridge section... from what I've seen they can only be used for different layers.... any info at this point? The manual is pretty confusing.
Not sure if this has been discussed as yet.What if you have both of the loopers.Are there advantages to midi chaining or can you do a video on using both together taking it from basic to advanced.
Best wishes.
Hello ben, love your channel! I am considering doing a live looping concert with my duo combining two loopers. I am a guitar player so I am thinking about buying a Boss RC 500 or 300 and my partner a Boss RC 505. We want to sync but looper together which loop would you recommend for that? I also own a Pigtronix.
Hi Ben! I'm a loopers lover and right now I'm doubting between Singular Sound Aeros or RC-500. Of course I know they are completely different. But I have a doubt that does not let me sleep! does the RC-500 allow you to go from one slot to another (for example from 6 to 7, then from 7 to 8 and from 8 to 6) without pauses? in other words: can I mount a song on 5 different slots?
I also wonder: is it possible to change slots when you finish a loop and want to start another, without crouching to the ground? I mean, with your feet? (for example from slot 5 to 67)
I can currently do this with the Digitech JamMan, but it's not a very reliable live pedal ...
Thanks a lot in advance!! cheers from Barcelona :-) leo
Thaaaaank Yooou! And daaamn you can talk so fast.
0:32 to start off: a silly question since Matt from Boss has let known on Guitar Nerds has said that the RC-5 and RC-500 will replace the RC-3 and RC-30. Why isn't the RC-500 called the RC-50 then? Well, the RC-50 was introduced in 2006 and is replaced by the RC-300. Mayhaps or even probably there is an RC-1000 or such namingwise that will replace the RC-300.
Hey Ben, I have an old behringer vamp2 and I wonder if you know how to connect it to work with the rc500. I can't find any useful information about the setup out there.
Cheers!
Is it simple to erase a loop layer over the previous loop and re record it?
Like if I record a loop then layer over it buy mess up can I erase it and re record without having to re record my 1st loop too?
Thank you mate,thinking of getting my first lopper,started my 1st band in 1976 age12 (twisted hands that didant even open,proving anyone can do it) mostly for 2 reasons.. for the easy of practicing leads(just bang down a rythem) and im a song writer,looks like the 500 is for me,since i have a drum machine and mostly get the drums off my keyboard anyway,,10rc almost pulls me in with the drums,but your right the memory,mic channel,and 3 switches make it the one,,in a way im glad i waited until now not years ago,since these are far better for song writers,,,anyway your young but your very clear in the way the put things,so thats why i subbed you ;-) stu
@5:08 incorrect. It is not inherently faster. The plug itself is just different.
Hi, great video! i have a situation. I own a TC Helicon Voice Live Play Acoustic that has an onboard looper but is only 1 track, limited time, etc. So I'm looking for an upgrade but I want to still use the VLP for the guitar and voice effects, so the looper station I choose needs to be able to receive the output of the VLP in 2 different channels. Can this be achieved in the RC-10R? I mean, A and B inputs can be used for different instruments in parallel? or they can only be used for either 1 mono input or 1 stereo input? Given my situation, what looper pedal would you recommend? Thanks!
Hello Ben, I'm just wondering ... stereo outputs are separable for L and R inputs. I mean you can go with electric guitar to input L, from output L to eletric guitar amp ... and with acoustic guitar to input R, from output R to acoustic guitar amp. Guitar sound won't be mixed in one amp. But question is ............ what mic and drums. Where does the sound of those go? Is it mixed to both amps? It is the problem of old Boos rc - 30. It is impossible to get acceptable sound of rhytmic section or voice if you use electric guitar amp. Thx for response :)
For me the 3 foot switches, track level sliders and the mic input make the rc500 the winner for me. I like the display of the rc10r but not enough to make me pick it over the rc500. I waiting for stock to come in near me so I can try it before I buy. Only because the experiences of others with the Rc10r was not meeting expectations, so no pre order for me. Boss is now a try before you buy company for me.
Random update on my looper saga. I finally took the plunge to replace my 20 year old boss RC20. I ended up deciding for the RC10R as I found my old FS-5U foot switches so could make it a 4 pedal looper. Plus, I really wanted the drum range as I am a live looping solo bass player, so having the drum grooves is really nice. The only thing I am missing is the loop rhythm sync, where I can record a loop and the pedal works out the tempo. My 20 year old RC20 could do it so how a modern RC10R cannot is beyond me.
Apart from that annoyance having the extra footswitches means I can run the RC10R just like a RC500 if I want or I can have a full drum part with it. For the lack of loop first rhythm sync I'm stretching myself to include my own percussion parts as a free loop using my Cajon during performances.
Also, with the extra footswitches I am happy to use the RC10R in live situations, which without the footswitches would be very difficult to pull off. I've configured my extra footswitches to change track and the other I flip between tap tempo and all break (where it stops the loops until the next measure, nice bit of musical suspense).... Anyway enough random UA-cam comment looper related dribble... Back to the video 🙃
Can we connect two instrument mono and use them in track 1 and track 2?
I've been using the RC500 for several months now. Unfortunately, I'm discovering more and more bugs: 1) The display mode sometimes changes without reason from my favorite "2 track" display to "status + track" display, sometimes in the middle of a song. 2) When I record the first loop of track 2 (while the loop of track 1 is already running), it often cracks at the first transition from rec to play. All other overdubs are then smooth again and work without problems. 3) Sometimes the loops I recorded are suddenly not in sync when playing, means: the whole loop of track 2 plays slightly later than the loop of track 1. I've been using Boss Loop Stations for over 15 years, had the RC20XL and the RC30 before...never had any problems with either unit, they have been absolutely reliable. I'm currently very conflicted about the RC500. On the one hand, it has exactly the functions that I need. If they would work reliably, it would be perfect. But because of the bugs, it's totally unreliable. Especially for professional live use :/
can someone respond to this? I used the RC3. I seem to need the extra pedal to turn it off. Do you think the operation of the 2 pedal RC20xl is easier than the 1 pedal RC3 ? I'll take the RC20xl just for the 2 pedals. I think. anyone?
My RC-500 has a longish (5 seconds or so) delay AFTER I hit STOP. I notice this behavior even more on longer loops. At first I think I missed the button or the looper is broken, but several seconds later, it finally stops. This really throws me off. Especially because the Drums/Rhythm keeps going. To be usable, it needs to STOP immediately.
I have about 10 other memories saved. Is it a buffer/memory issue? Do I need to update firmware? I have done resets in the past. I have it plugged into a 300ma supply. Do I need to upgrade the PSU? Otherwise I really love the Looper. Has anyone else experienced this and found a fix? If my loop is very short, say 5 seconds, it STOPS immediately. Any help or insights would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks all!
I have the rc10r, it's a great practice tool. I love being able to click to a chorus and back BUT Id never take it on stage. I can't help but make Muzak with it, the chorus patterns are too busy and not to my taste. I make much more interesting loops that I'd actually like to listen to on my simple ditto.
I love the RC-10R for practice as well, and this pedal has a LOT of functionality, but after a year I'm still nowhere near being able to use it fluidly in a live situation. It may just be me though, because it IS my first looper, I haven't spent much time reading the instructions, and nothing I do in a live situation is very smooth anyway🤣
Hi ! Could please tell us if you can record off beats guitar loop , something like symphony of destruction ( megadeth) I found that only beatbuddy allows me to record this song . jTC , Nux , Mooer , all of them go crazy when I record this song . Thanks
You the man! 👍🏿
How can i make my "BOSS RC-R" loop at least 10 minutes?
First? Perfect video for me, thanks Ben
No problem!! Thanks for watching!! Which do you prefer RC-10R or RC-500?
@@BenRowlandsMusic I just posted another comment. Summary is RC500, track level sliders and 3 switches. Also I am expanding my looping to include live percussion and the microphone socket would be very useful to do that with.
This vid definitely helped that choice.
Can the new Boss RC 500 recieve MIDI clock?
Hey Ben,
I've been watching a lot of your videos lately and each of them was very usefull and well made! I hope you can help me out with the following question as well... I use my RC-300 for a couple of years now and I was thinking about an upgrade to the headrush looperboard mainly because of the significant difference in terms of sound quality. But the RC-500 has even better sound quality than the headrush looperboard as you mentioned in the video...
Is it possible to slave the RC-300 to the RC-500 and keep the nice sound quality of the RC-500 for every track (even the tracks which lay on the RC-300)?
Greetings from Germany ^^
Hey David! Thanks for watching the videos! When I get the RC-500 into the studio. These will be the things I’ll be testing. So keep a look out for further videos! All the best, Ben
@@BenRowlandsMusic Thanks a lot, that's what I'm gonna do!
Hey Ben! Love your videos, thanks for sharing and informing us on how to use the pedals! Any chance you can show me how to use the Boss FS-6 Pedal in conjunction with the new Boss RC 500? I am trying to set up the separate pedal to function as a second Rec/Play pedal or other suggestions you may have? Thanks in advance Tom
Can they be used with a keyboard?
I like the Boss RC10R. The implementation of the looper and drum machine is cool. I however, wish that Boss took this more seriously and made all the patterns modern. Also added more modern sounding drums as well. The drum sounds in this device sound like the DR Rhythm 880 to me, which is like 20 years old. If you look up that machines demos you will see what I mean. I appreciate being able to upload my own midi data, but I'm still stuck with sucky drum sounds.
Great comment. You would think that with so many patterns and kits, it would include modern hip-hop and electronic music sounds. What a disappointment!
@@djmartinez5054 I honestly don't think any of the music manufacturers outside of Native Instruments care about modern music. It's easier to rehash old sounds for them which means the sound design is trash. Or they have people on staff that were part of the old era and all they know how to make is 90's style sounds. Which is more than likely on point. Modern music is cool and they need to embrace it... it's not going away and the 90's are not coming back.
Thanks man
Where’s the flippin RC1000???!😩😫 still
want more than two stereo tracks🤷🏽♂️
Thanks Ben! Have you done an ultimate guide for the Rc10r? Think as someone coming from a basic lopper that this is the right choice for me 😃
Hey! Thanks a lot! Glad the video was helpful! I haven’t actually, but I maybe in the New Year Hopefully! So stay posted on the channel for updates on new classes when I create them! Have fun with your new looper! All the Best, Ben
@@BenRowlandsMusic thanks have just pulled the plug to buy it. Have just recently discovered your channel and enjoying it 😀 happy Christmas and new year and will keep an eye out for that guide 😀 the 500 looks amazing but might be out of my league coming from a one track looper haha so maybe for the future..
Awesome stuff! Thanks! Have a great Christmas as well! And a happy new year!
Thanks for the video. I've been looking for a new looper to replace my RC30. I picked up a Headrush Looperboard but had nothing but problems with it, so wound up returning it.
Neither of these appear to have enough of a reason for me to upgrade my RC30 though.
Same here
Same! That’s what has drawn me to these videos. The RC-500 is an upgrade over the RC-30 in terms of everything except battery life, where it takes a huge nosedive.
I don't even care about fills. It's a nice thing but really it's the endings. I hate fade outs. It's so overdone. But ending a song with a looper is just, how? So, to me, I'm leaning toward the 10R. That's probably what you need if you want to save loops for a live show, play it back and just do the song one man band style. And 6 hours seems like plenty. Btw, I like how fast you talk. I'm getting a lot of info in a short amount of time.
Can I use the beat buddy with the rc500 ?
Yes, the beat buddy, but not the beat budddy mini 2
my pic is the year 2000 and im playing in a gig up snowdon mountain.what you carnt see is im playing the keyboards with my feet,my brother wierd up 23 switches to a footboard i made,so i could be a band on my own and "live" i even had a digitech vocalist,so i could even do songs like "a hard days night" beatles (try that on your own lol) i came from a time if we wanted to know how to play a song we worked it out from the record,and invented ways to get more in ourselves,,,so you lucky people buy one of these ..and good luck we always advance so ill see you at the stars..stu
It's 2020 and we are happy with this calculator sized LCD display. It's so stupid. Make it bigger clearer and more usefull. I shouldn't be so hard!
Lol...I don't think you should be that hard either 🤣
A good LCD display would drive up the cost of the pedal.
@@JuicyLeek We already pay 300 usd for simple circuits. I wouldn't mind to pay 305 usd.
Bedroom guitarist here 🤘🏼😁
great video, I'm so bummed you have to stop the RC-10r to save what you recorded. That really inhibits live improv flow
really? what about rc500?
@@zuxel6 same with RC500 another bummer
@@StevenVincentSings thanks for info!
Why did Boss make a great new unit and take away all the intro, fill, drum endigs.its a deal breaker for me. They should of made a RC500R
Because that would be included in Boss's next version of the RC500 - RC500R
I don't get why Boss didn't call these the RC-4 and RC-40, then the top one could be named RC-400. But maybe to not confuse the RC-40 with JC-40 Jazz Chorus. Japanese. Who knows?
You can beatbox or accapela = RC500
if you can't = Rc 10R is best choice
I got and using two looper and almost all the boss loopers
I like a dedicated stop button.
anyone considering getting one with a metal button rather than a switch, do your research. Ihave had two loopers have their buttons stop responding, because those little metal buttons are wack
BOTH OF THEM
The Singular sound Multi track Aeros Looper still is the king
No not the king 👑 since my Aeros will not work with my Roland 880 drum Midi. I’m sending it back.
@@timnewsom6422 Well you're the only one that will send it back and the only one that cannot figure out a work around.
@@TheGodFatherBlasta your dead wrong. The Aeros won’t work with any machine
@@TheGodFatherBlasta my 880 has over 500 of my custom designed drum parts and bass. My studio was built by not pissing away money on every new gadget that comes by. My Roland rc 300 is great but difficult to transport with effects. Why buy a limited Beat buddy ? When the 880 is better?
@3:23 Loop pedals don't have hard drives, they've got internal memory.
Why do you have to shout so loud?
would you give me a private lesson on the 505 mk2? looking to hire $ you for 1/2 - 1 hour of your time, thank you!
Thanks for the review. Shame you didn't actually test them side by side
Only boss rc 1000000👍
What the heck are all the clicking noise in this video?
no recording???? just talking???
No aux in, no
Very informative but please stop clicking your fingers, its annoying.
Agree
Play and talk