Red Dawn 2012 is a remake that disparages its own source material while pandering to foreign markets at the expense of domestic appeal. It may be the first film of our current era.
When i saw the '84 version as a kid, I missed the whole aspect that Toni and Erica had been ... shall we say "badly treated" by the invaders. "Whats up your ass?" "Don't you EVER say that to me again!" I just thought "well that escalated quickly." I only realized why she was so upset upon rewatching a couple years ago. That gives both Toni and Erica an added personal reason to want to fight. And it makes Erica's crush on Tanner (who is WAY too old for her) all the more poignant. War is hell.
One interesting difference between the two versions is product placement. Red Dawn originally had a scene were the Wolverines go to McDonalds when they first sneak back into town, only to find it's now a hangout spot for rowdy Soviets. It was featured in a lot of the promo material, but was ultimately cut from the movie. Conversely, Dead Wrong features a scene were its Wolverines burst into a Subway and proceed to rob the place. Just something I find interesting to think about.
This video is overlooking an important point: in both Vietnam and the Afghanistan the resistance fighters were not just random peasants with a can-do attitude. Rather they were both quasi-state entities which were well organized and reasonably professional. They were also supported and backed by the Soviet Union and the US respectively, who provided materiel as well as training.
I have yet to see the 2012 version of the movie, to be honest, I thought it looked bland at the time, seems like a good movie to laugh at with friends but little else. I guess the problem with our new movies is, like you said in your last video, an issue with the experience of the writers- the first writers cared about independence and self reliance, the new writers value other things.
I have seen both versions and I definitely preferred the 1984 original. Movie remakes, especially ones based on 1980s films, rarely if ever are as good as the original. Both Homefront games were decent and are usually pretty cheap now, though like the Red Dawn remake they used North Korea as the antagonists over China.
A fantastic “Red Dawn” video game is Freedom Fighter. A fantastic game where you play as a resistance fighter taking back New York from the Soviets. The soundtrack is also fantastic, definitely top 3 game soundtracks. Hope you had a Happy 4th. 🇺🇸👍
I remember that I was 14 years old when the movie was released and I didn't see Red Dawn 1980s before, however, it didn't call me as much as the 1980s. Precisely, because the movie was released a couple of years after a game called Homefront that basically, I'm not kidding. Is that. A North Korean Red Dawn who had annexed South Korea and conquered Japan and built an Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere by driving out the American presence. By the way, could you give your opinion on the factions of the video game Fallout New Vegas: The New California Republic and Caesar's Legion? I admit to being Pro-Legion of Cesar but because of my displeasure for the corruption and the "laxity" of the NCR.
The 2012 version Red Dawn was the movie me and my old brother saw, and to be honest we like it specially me since I just noticed like it was a movie version of the videogame homefront. It sucks they change the chinese for the north koreas in fear of offending china, I'm tired of movie producers bending the knee to china like yeah I know their population is up to the billions but they are not the entire world. You still have India, Russia and South America. Anyways it was later that I discover it was a remake from the 1984 version and though I have yet to see it full (since I only watch some scene and catch on the final in TV) it's way better than the 2012 version. And since we are talking about early 2010's movies I would like to see your take on "world invasion battle los angeles"
*timidly raises hand* I....didn't hate the remake. The original is obviously 100x better, but as a basic action movie, Dead Wrong wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
On its own merits, Red Dawn 2012 is a decent but forgettable action movie. Like so many movies these days, it probably would have been better received if it tried to be its own thing instead of riding the coattails of a classic with name recognition.
Seems to me the Dead Wrong version suffered from what the Critical Drinker would call ‘remastered for Modern Audiences’ failure. People rarely hunt now. Most people have never held a gun. Most people have no idea how to fight anything. Most people don’t read about classic survivalists or trappers making their way in the harsh frontier. All the changes made reflect these as modern tropes that tried to bring the original into the modern era, but obviously failed miserably for those very reasons.
"Aged like a bucket of fish"--stealing that line!
When i saw the '84 version as a kid, I missed the whole aspect that Toni and Erica had been ... shall we say "badly treated" by the invaders.
"Whats up your ass?"
"Don't you EVER say that to me again!"
I just thought "well that escalated quickly." I only realized why she was so upset upon rewatching a couple years ago.
That gives both Toni and Erica an added personal reason to want to fight.
And it makes Erica's crush on Tanner (who is WAY too old for her) all the more poignant.
War is hell.
One interesting difference between the two versions is product placement. Red Dawn originally had a scene were the Wolverines go to McDonalds when they first sneak back into town, only to find it's now a hangout spot for rowdy Soviets. It was featured in a lot of the promo material, but was ultimately cut from the movie. Conversely, Dead Wrong features a scene were its Wolverines burst into a Subway and proceed to rob the place. Just something I find interesting to think about.
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In the early’90s I showed the original to a Russian GRU major I knew. He loved it 😊
With enough money and hubris, you can fix anything in post.
This is the bumper sticker.
As a kid in the 80s I loved the film. I never even bothered with the remake.
This video is overlooking an important point: in both Vietnam and the Afghanistan the resistance fighters were not just random peasants with a can-do attitude. Rather they were both quasi-state entities which were well organized and reasonably professional. They were also supported and backed by the Soviet Union and the US respectively, who provided materiel as well as training.
Were you, once upon a time, a US Soldier, Airman, Marine, or a Sailor
Old red dawn is much better story-wise, though it's realism is subpar. The new one is worse on both accounts.
1984 Red Dawn made director-writer John Millus persons non grata in Hollywood
🤔Really?(!)…
@@Sedgewise47 per a documentary I saw on Millus, with his cooperation
@@Sedgewise47 Yeppity. Yep. 😐
Apparently he was a huge asshole and people did not want to work with them.
No, it didn't. Just look at his filmography after 1984
God, did you ever nail it!
I have yet to see the 2012 version of the movie, to be honest, I thought it looked bland at the time, seems like a good movie to laugh at with friends but little else. I guess the problem with our new movies is, like you said in your last video, an issue with the experience of the writers- the first writers cared about independence and self reliance, the new writers value other things.
I have seen both versions and I definitely preferred the 1984 original. Movie remakes, especially ones based on 1980s films, rarely if ever are as good as the original.
Both Homefront games were decent and are usually pretty cheap now, though like the Red Dawn remake they used North Korea as the antagonists over China.
A fantastic “Red Dawn” video game is Freedom Fighter. A fantastic game where you play as a resistance fighter taking back New York from the Soviets. The soundtrack is also fantastic, definitely top 3 game soundtracks. Hope you had a Happy 4th. 🇺🇸👍
I remember that I was 14 years old when the movie was released and I didn't see Red Dawn 1980s before, however, it didn't call me as much as the 1980s. Precisely, because the movie was released a couple of years after a game called Homefront that basically, I'm not kidding. Is that. A North Korean Red Dawn who had annexed South Korea and conquered Japan and built an Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere by driving out the American presence. By the way, could you give your opinion on the factions of the video game Fallout New Vegas: The New California Republic and Caesar's Legion? I admit to being Pro-Legion of Cesar but because of my displeasure for the corruption and the "laxity" of the NCR.
I vaguely remember that Homefront game existing.
Thanks for the New Vegas suggestion, I'm adding that to the planned lineup.
@@feralhistorian They even made a book. Homefront La Voz de la Libertad that personally explained a lot about the events.
The 2012 version Red Dawn was the movie me and my old brother saw, and to be honest we like it specially me since I just noticed like it was a movie version of the videogame homefront. It sucks they change the chinese for the north koreas in fear of offending china, I'm tired of movie producers bending the knee to china like yeah I know their population is up to the billions but they are not the entire world. You still have India, Russia and South America. Anyways it was later that I discover it was a remake from the 1984 version and though I have yet to see it full (since I only watch some scene and catch on the final in TV) it's way better than the 2012 version. And since we are talking about early 2010's movies I would like to see your take on "world invasion battle los angeles"
Yes, Battle of Los Angeles or whatever they ended up calling it. That's worth another look.
Agree with this take.
What city was this apartment at the end in?
Pontiac, Michigan.
Original RD is pre-election Reagan, 2012 is post-election Reagan.
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See your points. Definitely prefer the original!
The 84 movie was way better.
*timidly raises hand*
I....didn't hate the remake. The original is obviously 100x better, but as a basic action movie, Dead Wrong wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
On its own merits, Red Dawn 2012 is a decent but forgettable action movie. Like so many movies these days, it probably would have been better received if it tried to be its own thing instead of riding the coattails of a classic with name recognition.
Seems to me the Dead Wrong version suffered from what the Critical Drinker would call ‘remastered for Modern Audiences’ failure. People rarely hunt now. Most people have never held a gun. Most people have no idea how to fight anything. Most people don’t read about classic survivalists or trappers making their way in the harsh frontier. All the changes made reflect these as modern tropes that tried to bring the original into the modern era, but obviously failed miserably for those very reasons.
Red Sawn the remake, is a byproduct of the triumph of capitalism