This is why no one’s buying this
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Apple least expensive iPhone SE went through a least expensive update. So Jonathan took a look to see if it's still good value, or if you can find a better deal elsewhere.
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0:00 Introduction
0:50 What the new SE gets
3:00 Who it's for
4:18 Thanks Anker!
4:43 Android alternatives
6:14 Camera comparison
6:36 The choice
7:17 Other iPhone deals
8:17 Conclusion - Наука та технологія
The cinematography in this channel is what makes it different from other LMG channels. Absolutely love this.
I love the “outside in the real wold” vibes
8:19 This part was so good, 3 angles in 5 seconds.
dude soo true it is breath of fresh air when compared to other tech youtube channels
Yeah, honestly I didn’t even know this was part of LMG at first
totally agree
A target group you're forgetting is businesses. I work for an international company with a limited it budget and a dislike for byod. Apple is an obvious choice as a company phone because the amount of versions and compatibility issues is kept to a minimum. Our IT doesn't care about the camera or the small screen, they care that it is affordable and that it will get security updates for the next 5-6 years 😉
this video is for the average consumer not for business purposes. I'm glad you can work it out but it's company's money not your own money so who cares.
at the end of the day iphone are made with average consumer in mind.
That’s a great point
Not to mention, Apple really hated BYOD anyway. On Android, everything you are doing for Work is kept nice and separate inside the Work Profile, while on Apple it commandeers whatever app your company use for Mail and others. So if you are using Outlook for your personal mail, and your company uses Outlook for company mail so it needs to manage Outlook, and you leave your company, the Outlook got soft-wipe, that means you will need to put in your personal mail again
@@smug_slime Apple is a HUGE player in the enterprise mobile space, and they put a lot of resources into them. One of the reasons the SE was developed. When you deploy cell phones to your users, the company’s money is your money. When you overspend intentionally, you’re out of a job.
@@smug_slime Not really. My company fields a few thousands iPhones from the 8 to the latest SE. It is very important that they all look the same, otherwise we would have idiot users breaking the phones, or throwing tantrums, to get new ones (I saw this). You are also wrong about the SE being made for the regular consumer. One individual can justify paying extra 100$ for something that will use in the next 2 or 3 years, it won’t be much of a difference to get a better phone, a company that buys 1000 a year saves 100k by choosing the cheaper one.
Something that I learned from working in a rehab/geriatric ward is that Home Button is much more accessible for people who lack fine motor skills, in comparison to gesture controls.
One click and you’re back home, double click to see open apps.
Without the home button, it’s swipe up quickly to go home, swipe and hold for multi tasking screen.
That isn’t too easy for the elderly and people with disabilities. I hope Apple continues making phones with physical buttons/or improve the gesture.
I use SE personally because I don’t do much on my phone. (Got an iPad for most tasks)
perhaps a underscreen fingerprint reader?
Well, in accessibility menu, AssistiveTouch can help for motor skills, you can even customise it. I have CP (left side, spasticity) and i've tried using it with my left hand. it works surprisingly well (I don't use it day to day as I use my devices with my non-disabled hand), there are also voice commands, maybe it's better for disabled folks. (and I'm glad that they have integrated accessibility features)
I noticed with one older lady tho, she doesn’t have a fingerprint! Eczema prevents her from using the thumb scanner. Is there a way to disable it and go straight to passcode?
@@estycki you can disable it in settings app in "touch id & passcode" category (the passcode will be prompted to access it)
@@alisha4902 great, I should have checked, I will set this for her, thanks!
About the A53 thing: the consensus in general is that the new model is a bit of a "sidegrade" compared to the A52 series (and specially the A52s 5G revision with a more efficient and snappier Snapdragon SoC). The A53 has the misfortune of having a slow and inefficient Exynos chip which makes things quite laborious. Also, no headphone jack compared to previous models.
Great video as usual, nonetheless. Love the more chilled out style.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Ok
That's why he put it against 2 bad phones to begin with.
He wanted Apple to come out ahead.
@@saulgoodman2018 It's quite childish to assume something like that about a person you don't know anything about, just so you know.
@@utubekullanicisi I didn't assume nothing about him.
He just picked 2 bad phones.
He said in some of his other videos, that he is an Apple fanboy anyway.
This is exactly why I recently purchased my Girlfriend a Galaxy A52s 5G rather than the A53 to upgrade from her 5 year old Galaxy S8. The A53 is not a good buy with a much worse processor and here in Australia at least, it's RRP is $50 higher with no headphone jack or charger in the box. Samsung has lost it this year in terms of it's mid range offerings.
“Why do I need 5G?” That’s been my question ever since they started rolling it out. LTE is more than fast enough for the vast majority of people. 5G has much worse penetration through walls and objects, requiring much more frequent tower placement. It also uses more battery while using 5G. Many more disadvantages too. Overall, never understood the push for 5G.
IMO - it's purely a marketing gimmick. No real practicality for most of us. Just like many of the 'upgrades' for your new phone, actually.
I've had better packet loss on 5G compared to LTE, but that's about it. Although the vanilla 5G is pretty much just LTE. The real fancy stuff the millimeter wave version, which is much faster than LTE or vanilla 5G, but that can be blocked by pretty much anything, making it useful only in large cities with direct line of sight to the cell tower.
From what I understand, you will not see much of a difference between LTE and 5G (in its current iteration) in non-crowded areas. Where 5G should make a difference is in very congested areas, like city centres or stadiums, where 5G performance degrades more slowly as the number of connected devices goes up. So think of 5G vs LTE as a ten-lane highway vs a straight two-lane road. If both are reasonably free of traffic, you can drive almost just as fast on either. If you add more traffic, the two-lane road will get much slower much quicker. Driving on the big highway costs more (assume it’s a toll road) - you use up more energy and the battery drains faster. What current smartphones do is employ a hybrid approach: use LTE if you are not in a crowded area, to save battery, and switch to 5G once performance starts to degrade on LTE (assuming you have 5G coverage). 5G is not about raw speed, it’s mostly about increasing network capacity as more and more devices are connected to the internet.
@@SSW2503 That makes sense, I do live in a fairly dense city, so that's probably why I see a small improvement in 5G.
And makes connecting printers to 5G networks such a hassle
This was surprisingly deep…
I have the 13 regular, but I kinda love the simplicity of the Touch ID, my mom still has the 7 and I like how small it is, very light compared to the bulkiness of the 13. Not sure I’d upgrade it though, they’d need to add better features for me to consider, like the camera upgrade, better storage, etc.
If the size is what you are after the iPhone minis are smaller than the SE 3 with a larger screen and all the features you want from the SE. Unfortunately, there is a chance there won't be a mini next year.
What made you go for the regular rather than the mini?
@@16abo0odee I had the regular 11 but my battery started dying, it was just sort of a no-brainer -- since the 11 is much lighter, figured this one was the same... Oh well.
@@mihaidragnea9785 I've heard that, minis weren't gonna be around much longer. Still no Touch ID though.
@@16abo0odee I went from a 6 plus to a 7 plus then to a 12 mini and love it, essentially the same size screen but in a much smaller package.
My grandma upgraded from an iPhone 7 to the new SE earlier this year because the 7 was slowing down and she didn't want to give up the home button. I'm fairly convinced that the SE's market is for those who don't want to change or those who are too old to want to change, and I respect Apple doing that immensely. Because not everyone is like you and I, wanting the newest tech every single year, some would just rather it stay the way it is.
I like it because I don’t like the privacy invasion of facial recognition
@@user-vk2cd9qw7i you do realise that face id is stored locally in a secure enclave on the iphone itself, right? it doesn't even utilise the camera to recognise your face.
@@user-vk2cd9qw7ibut you want them to have access to your fingerprint? Face ID is just scanning the depth of your face you can cover the camera and it still works
The SE exists to also fill the niche of "sleeper" phones: high performance in an unassuming package. With my SE (2016) my friends were always amazed that my "iPhone 5" was running iOS 15.
This phone sorta serves that same purpose: looks like an 8. Doesn't perform like an 8. It's for those who want the older style, but not the older performance.
I like to personally believe the SE on these phones now stands for "Sleeper Edition".
From what I've seen, A52S, older model that released only in December is actually better than A53 as far as performance goes.
it is i have it and actually it dosent have the software problems with stuttering because its been out for longer than A53 and it has been optimized for longer
The release of the 12 mini is what finally led me to upgrade from my original SE. I was never really interested in the current iPhone 8 body and compared to family members' 12 and 12 Pro Max, I continue to be very happy with the form factor of the mini. My hope for the future of the SE lineup would be adopting that form factor in its next refresh, to align with the 13 mini no longer being available. I don't really have any interest if it sticks with this type of form factor, the convenience of Touch ID with masks notwithstanding.
Meanwhile, I'm considering if I want to upgrade to a 13 mini now to eke out another year or two of use in case they don't...
get the 13 mini, it is the last small iphone. this will last longer and is in general a better phone
I’ve been using se 2nd gen for 2 years now. It’s my first iPhone and I love it! Yep, the battery is a trash but performance is really good! I don’t take a lot of photos, but camera is ok for my daily usage and taking some pics for insta. The main issue with camera is artificial blurring( sometimes it behaves strangely). My group mate has the same phone and she is happy with it too. I’d say it is a good variant when your main goal is longevity.
I have a 13 pro, but sometimes I pop my SIM card back into second gen SE because of its simplicity and small form factor. Apple really nailed it with the SE and i hope it makes a return next year with a “new” old body.
I bought one of these (2nd Gen) because it does everything I need a phone to do and it doesn't cost $700+. I hate carrying around a huge phone and while the iPhone 13 mini is a perfect size I really don't see the justification in paying over $300 more for it. I guess I'm in that fringe group even though I'm not a teenager or a boomer. 🤷🏽♂️
Hope that old 2nd gen doesn’t have shitty battery life
@@scouttf2143 oh it's terrible alright. Much worse than the 7/8 Plus and 12 Mini.
@Lil Corby is it though, if Apple has already cut production?
It's us, the lovers of the vertical integration it has. But not a fan, just a smart buyer, who knows what we want and need.
Still using my 1st gen iPhone SE as a car play phone, works well. Partner has a second gen SE that she likes (5g not available here) so don't really see the point apart from the ram bump
won't work well here I assure you it will lock you out because of over heating 💀
@Don't Read My Profile Photo get tf outta here bot
Still using the 1st gen SE as my daily driver. 🤘
I love my 2nd gen SE and I came from an Android flagship (Oneplus 6). That said, I hope that the extra gb of RAM helped it because I do run into apps closing fairly often on the 2020 model.
1GB more RAM is going to be virtually unnoticeable almost all of the time
I love Mac Address videos. They're the only channel under the LMG umbrella that I have notifications turned on. It has everything to do with the structure. They're very well written. They have a level of quality comparable to MKBHD video and the products themselves from Apple.
I have a family member who has extremely limited eyesight and is very familiar with iOS at this point (having had an iPhone 6S previously). That family member needed a new phone a few months ago but also needed something bigger. We wound up getting a used iPhone 8 Plus because it had to have the home button (since said family member wouldn't be able to see well enough to use the gesture controls but can feel for the home button and because it's just so familiar). I wish Apple would release an SE in the body of the 8 Plus rather than the 8, because at this point I think more people would go for that.
To be honest, they should adopt the iPhone 12 mini for the SE. There might be some growing pains, but if they reduce the cameras and perhaps find a suitable replacement for the home button for the elderly (like how Android has a digital home button) i think it could really become a hit.
@@slickl9608 iOS has a digital home button. however, screen is flat- you don't know your touching it until you press it.
Bring back 3d touch and put a under screen fingerprint sensor and that might work. But for the elderly it's still hard to do, because it's still less tactile.
Isn’t the iPhone SE going to get a more substantial upgrade next year? Plus there’s the whole EU USB-C mandate to consider, which could impact the aforementioned redesign.
I hope so. But the trend might be a new SE every two years. And yeah I'm VERY curious how the EU mandate will pan out.
I think this is a good point. This seems more like a transitionary device to whatever the next SE is. More akin from moving from a 6 to a 6s than a 6 to an 8 if that makes sense? It certainly doesn't appear that there was much in the way of forward thought here.
@@macaddress I would think that they switch to the iPhone x(e) body after all the iPhones come with the punch out camera. This year, only the pros have it. Next year, both of them might. The SE probably has to look like an "old" iPhone
I have no idea why they have to put 5G everywhere, not just apple. 4G is more than capable to reach 300mbps and more. 5G on budget/low mid-range phones should not exist.
Am I the only one who would prefer Apple to keep the lightning port on the iPhone? Under my experience, lightning ports are more durable than usb-c
I have a 12 Mini with 128gb - and it was offered for $200 off a year ago. I love it and I would absolutely recommend it!
I really miss touch ID though. It just made so much sense.
It is the only thing i "miss" about the 12 mini - Touch ID. Else it's the perfect phone for me.
I really like Jonathan’s delivery in these videos and I love his occasional pop up in a short circuit video
Nice one! Thanks! 💜
08:10 A reason not to get iPhone mini might be the much higher screen replacement costs: $230 vs $130 for the SE.
I just purchased a 3rd gen SE. Mainly for the small display size & preferring the old form factor with a home button. I'm personally not a fan of edge-to-edge displays, since not only is it hard (at least for me) to reach all edges of the display, it also makes it more of a challenge to have a firm grip on the phone without touching the screen.
My main reasons for going with the 3rd gen SE though, more or less, are:
1. Cheap accessories - Compatibile with almost all the old iPhone 6-8 accessories, which I have around, and for what I don't have I'm confident it'll fit anyway.
2. Expected to have 6 years of support - I'm coming from a 1st gen SE, it's 6 years old now & likely gonna have updates cut for it this year. I'd like to stick with only getting a new phone every 6 years, as I rarely have any major issues that warrant a new phone in the first place.
3. Hardware spec bump - Mostly just worried about having more storage, as 16gb is abysmal in today's times. But the bump in other specs will be nice.
4. It's also just one of the few new small smartphones out there - on top of that, one of the few new small smartphones that aren't trash. Like stated earlier, I'm coming from the 1st gen SE, and I'd like to stick with displays
I had been viewing a lot of iPhone SE reviews because in helping a friend decide on an upgrade from her iPhone 6, I'd been comparing the SE and 13 mini based on price and size. But when we finally went to the store to buy - she ended up getting a 13 Pro! (We thought physical size and Touch ID would originally be the deciding factors, but as noted in the review it came down to screen quality and camera versatility; the telephoto lens ended up the tipping point.)
I upgraded from an iPhone 8 Plus (which had stopped connecting to 4G LTE) to the new iPhone SE. Truth be told, you pretty much nailed exactly why I chose it -- getting (almost) flagship performance, which is easily going to last several years, in a budget phone price class.
I'm a couple decades off from being a boomer, but the way I use my phone is pretty simple. I recognize the camera has shortcomings, but it's more than good enough for capturing moments and memories - I'm not a content creator and not trying to grow an Instagram following, so I see severe diminishing returns from the newer features and improved fidelity of more modern smartphone cameras. The screen sure is small, but I see diminishing returns there, too; I overwhelmingly use a computer or television to watch video content rather than my phone, and the 4.7" display is just fine for reading articles online, scrolling Twitter, chatting on Discord, and so on. It's good enough to read and respond to emails and Slack messages for work, too.
I also like Touch ID, but that wasn't a major consideration.
As you say, it may be that I represent a very small and shrinking population of mobile users, but I'm extremely happy with my purchase.
I upgraded from the SE (2nd Gen) to the Mini 13 and it's such a great phone. At first I wasn't sure if I liked it better because you are giving up Touch ID and I found that the bezels on the SE made using the phone in landscape mode more ergonomic. But aside from that, the Mini 13's form factor is more pocketable, easier to use with one hand, and has hardware upgrades across the board. It's not just the A15 or camera (which impressed me more than I thought it would) but also the many small things not all reviewers talk about that sets this phone apart from the much older SE design. The SE is fine, but if you are a serious user or tech enthusiast it will likely leave some to be desired and what I thought would be a phone I'd be using for years to come barely took me 2 years to replace with the Mini 13 as my daily driver. (I still however use the SE as a backup phone and for gaming sometimes because of the aforementioned better ergonomics in landscape orientation)
The screen on the SE alone would be a deal breaker. It's still the same as on the 8, so for today's standards it falls behind the competition, even cheaper Android phones
@@TRRDroid Honestly I’m not sure if I really buy the use of OLED screens. I found the SE’s screen to be slightly more natural in terms of colors (but that could just be a matter of calibration). There seems to be a trend of screens with oversaturated colors these days.
I have to admit though the Mini 13’s screen does look good and “natural” colors aside, the contrast ratio is unmatched in comparison obviously. The screen is also taller, has higher res and pixel density and a much better response time. So despite both running at 60hz the Mini 13’s animations are still much smoother than that of the SE. So in that sense, I can see how the SE’s screen looks severely outdated.
Edit: another observation worth mentioning is that the 13 Mini’s screen seems much less prone to micro-scratches, perhaps due to the “ceramic shield” application.
@@Jun-mimimouto OLED screens just generally look more smooth as LCDs often suffer from ghosting. Yeah the saturation is higher on OLEDs, though it became more natural within recent years, earlier Samsung phones had horrendously over saturated screens. The better scratch resistance just comes from higher quality glass though the term Ceramic Shield is a lie since it barely contains any ceramic and doesn't offer any additional scratch resistance compared to regular glass. Actual ceramic displays have a much higher scratch resistance than any glass but are also a lot more expensive, which is why only few phones had actual ceramic displays
@@TRRDroid Thank you for sharing your experiences~ I am curious however, what phones or where have you seen phones with actual ceramic displays? A quick google search doesn’t bring up much relevant and actually suggests ceramics in the traditional sense are opaque or less transparent, which would make them unsuitable as a screen. The “Ceramic Shield” on the other hand they say is more of a hybrid glass/ceramic display.
@@Jun-mimimouto Well Ceramic Shield does have a very small amount of ceramic in it. JerryRigEverything tested it and also had multiple devices with actual ceramic screens
They should remake the Iphone 5c series with modern design. Really fun budget phones lol
New designs cost a lot of money in research and development, that's why the SE has the iPhone 11's body or whatever
Seeing that apple is discontinuing the mini of the iPhone and replaces it with a max version, could make you think the next iPhone see (4) could be in the chassis of the mini. If the idea is to prioritize the smaller form factor, than mini housing > xr housing. Keeping the button in the 4th generation of the SE could lead to almost bare minimum sales for apple.
If it is, I would absolutely buy it over then 15 or 16 whenever it comes out. The mini’s form factor is just so much better.
@@myrealusername2193 totally agree. Currently my daily is the second generation SE but the 13 feels more modern. But still it isn’t enough for me to spend twice the price if does almost the exact same job :)
That would be my next phone, definitely! The thing that keeps me from having iPhone mini is its exorbitant prices. Where I live, the iPhone SE price is the same as flagship from chinese brand such as xiaomi 12 and realme gt pro, whille still expensive, it is still reasonable than buying an iPhone 13, let alone a 13 pro which cost 4x the minimum salary per month in my country
@@istratidaniel4081 doesn't the se2 last like 4-5 hours tho?
@@wilsonakawislonly4868 depends of battery health and usage. In the city i always have mobile internet and bluetooth on. I gat a maximum of 3 hrs of active screen usage at 60% brightness at 87% battery health
I love the scenery! I got the SE 2 on discount when it came out as a good stable secondary phone that I can have next to my ever changing android phone. I didn't want to give Apple much money and I hate the implementation of face ID where you still have to swipe to unlock.
The SE3 is my first iPhone. I have found it to be very good for my needs. I do not do extensive photography so there is little need for "night mode" although it is surprising it is not there considering they added a new processor chip, increased RAM and new imaging software. I would have also liked for it to start at 128gig storage instead of 64gig. Also when I compared the retina display to some of the OLED phones the LCD retina display was easily comparable and very good in image quality. When I did a video at a sporting event the video and sound turned out really nice. The 5G seems to work fine and so does Siri. Having said all of that, since I have had such a pleasant introduction to the iPhone with the SE3, I think my next phone will be a more "enhanced" iPhone with all the bells and whistles.
They just announced the Pixel 6a which will finally be a decent middle ground in this price range. It has the same Tensor chip from the regular 6 at $450
as an apple user, google does a great job at making middle range phones. wish samsung could do the same :/
@@EverythingFitz Yeah, Galaxy A series phones are trash
@@terribletimes902I appreciate the 120hz and alright cameras, but they do not do so good months after use. Bought my dad an A72; 2 months later he can't even get on an app and text.
S20/s21 fe 5g discounted is still the better buy today
@@abeldsouza1587 while true, some people have a stigma for wanting new phones not old or refurbished
When I wanted to test how an iPhone feels last year (I use Macs, might as well try an iPhone) I went with the SE not because of the price but because it's small and has Touch ID. The size is a bonus, but the fingerprint sensor is an absolute must. Nothing else matters and to me the SE is still incomparably better than any other current iPhones because of it. I ended up strongly disliking iOS and moved back to Android, but the size, and the speed and efficiency of Touch ID are the two things I miss. (Yea, other Android phones have fast fingerprint readers, but usually in-screen, so you first have to light up the screen and then use the fingerprint reader. That's slower than combining the two actions by just pressing the Touch ID)
You dont use android dude. You dont need to turn on the screen at all. Once you develop muscle memory on the fingerprint position its just a matter of touching the correct position
@@mehshutup3041 I do use android and have been using it since Froyo in 2010. And none of the ones with fingerprint readers (OnePlus 8, Pixel 6) allowed you to use the fingerprint reader without the screen being lit up.
Really underrating having a button honestly. Other than TouchID, the home button can clear persistent notifications (home bar can’t), which is pretty nice when you’re in the middle of work and a calendar notification comes up
Plus, having empty space to rest your fingers helps cut down on errors and makes pulling it out of the pockets better
I’d really like to have a home button with the newer iPhone features
I currently use an iPhone 8. I’ve been considering upgrading but I’m curious about what the 14 line up is gonna look like considering a bunch of weird rumors about the base model. If those pan out I’ll probably try to get a 13 mini for cheap lol
And for reference, I came from a Note 10. I’m really glad to have Touch ID since it was my preferred unlock method on that phone too lol
I miss the size of the first gen SE. With the removal of the iPod Touch, there’s no devices anyone can buy in that small form. There aren’t even Android devices that fill the niche. If Apple isn’t making the SE bigger, I hope they start making them smaller (however I do doubt that will happen).
They still sell the 12 and 13 mini, which are around the same physical size as the first gen SE but with a larger screen
An Android device that comes really, really close is Asus Zenfone 8. The price tag can be painful, but it has the 888 and is only within a centimeter(less than half an inch) wider and longer than the original SE, and even more similar in size as the mini flagships.
@@Pixdoet Very not true lol. I own a 12 mini and it is about the size of the second and third gen SE.
@@SyRose901 I’ll have to check it out, thanks for the recommendation!
@@bidoofis While I agree that the iPhone 12 & 13 mini are the same size as the iPhone 8/SE 2 & 3, the Asus Zenfone 8 is still bigger than the iPhone minis. Last I checked, the length for the iPhone 12 mini is 131.5 mm (vs 148 for the Zenfone) and width is 64.2 mm (vs 68.5mm for Zenfone).
Numbers for the new Zenfone 9 vs iPhone 13 mini might differ though.
I love all your videos and what a beautiful town! I must visit Fort Langley, BC now 😍 Hiiiiiii from Quebec 👋
Lets hope it's not like pervious SEs, because if the finger-print stops working after a drop you might as well toss it in a bin. Basically the traces imbedded in the PCB layers are so fragile that they can break after a fall. And to repair it, you have to dig a hole through the top PCB layer to connect a wire to the trace and run that wire over the CPU to the trace's other end.
I'm still on an iPhone 6S, now with new battery. Still works, and I love the form factor, the Touch ID button, and the PHYSICAL home button. It just works. I would upgrade to the new SE in a heartbeat because I am not that picky about the camera. If I want to take nice photos I'll take a nice dedicated camera with me. Plus the price is hard to beat.
I love my SE 3, lots of power due to the A15, battery life is really good (for its size anyway, lasts me 6+ hours screen on time), the screen size is good enough for me, and most importantly, many years of support, fine with the camera too, think its quite a nice deal.
The battery length for it sucks, but it's not like they can put a bigger battery in it. Also, 14h of average person use is still great.
Also, tiny battery+20 watt fast charging=I can charge my device fully in a half hour. Even on a cheap wireless charger, it's maybe an hour to charge fully.
*14h if not on in all the time.
At one time, the SE made a lot of sense. Last years tech in an old body for half the price. A great deal for someone who doesn’t care for the bleeding edge.
The issue comes when Apple stalls development of the device. The SE SHOULD be a refined version of the iPhone from three years ago. It was that at one time, then they stopped updating it.
I love that you released this video literally as google is announcing the 6a. Follow up vid?
When talks about the Iphone SE 2022 was coming up. I told myself "If apple is reusing older chasis of their phones the 2022 models has to use the body from the Iphone X family right?". I almost convinced myself that was going to be the case. Im a android user currently but i wanted to test out an Iphone and see how that fares for me. It was a bummer seeing they still stuck with the Iphone 8 body. Like you said though, there are great iphone deals out there.
I actually upgraded to this from an 2nd generation iPhone SE because I love the form factor, touch ID and expect this to be the last one. It's still a well rounded basic phone that should last me for many years.
have been using the original se since launch and, tbh even after all this time i really don't feel for an upgrade because it does all the things a phone needs to do like a charm!
yeah the screen is small, the battery life ain't great and etc etc but for me it is a decent everyday performer!
and also being a little biased towards the design of this and the whole value aspect of this phone for which i actually bought it i don't think im upgrading to any phone as of now.
though it depends on the 14 lineup if there's a 14 mini i might be intrigued to check it out otherwise i think i'll still use it for a year or two and then get the last mini iphone i could get.
There won't be any mini iPhone after the 13 so no, you'll not be able to get the 14 mini or 15 mini
Me too! I keep considering an upgrade but it’s working fine, and I got a headphone jack :) I went to a repair store and got a new battery instead.
@@estycki same here i didn't get my battery replaced cause of the huge premium you have to pay for anything apple in india but, my biggest trade off with the modern phones is still the headphone jack:/
i mean there are soo many instances you just need to have one and bluetooth devices aren't just upto the mark even if they are airpods or sony's or something.
@@charleydumas5514 that's sad :(
will have to get the 13 mini then..
need to start saving up hahah😄
@@sraycxviii I have so many problems with bluetooth... and why does EVERYTHING need a battery now? I have earphones for 10 years that work great, I bet once airpod batteries are no good anymore, they're just garbage.
As an original SE owner, I picked up the refresh in 2020 and wasn’t a fan, ended up putting my sim back into the old SE. Then I picked up the 12 mini and have been enjoying it ever since.
Honestly if Apple released a 5s body SE today with a modern home button, updated display(sameish size as before)and an assortment of obvious updates like camera etc, I’d be sold and pick it right up. I don’t need a fancy camera array, just something nice enough to shoot a pic here and there. I don’t need a huge display as I use my iPad mini when enjoying content and games or scrolling the internet. I like having the headphone jack as I’ve been reluctant to put a different radio in my truck with Bluetooth. Wireless/MagSafe charging would be nice.
The mini in all practical sense is the real progression from the original SE/5s design, but it does have that ever so slight increase in size and the full surface display does at times make things awkward with the smaller size. It’s odd to say, but somehow having a bigger screen on a smaller device is clunkier.
20ish year old person here the 2nd gen se has been my main phone for 2 years now, and I love the format and smaller size can’t see to like the home button/Touch ID less phones and I’m considering getting the 3rd gen to double my storage and keep the form factor for longer
2:24 the names don’t match the picture for the iPhone 11 and the iPhone SE A13.
I still keep my 6s around, because of the headphone jack, even though I have AirPods Pro. The reliability of a cable is still much better than the convenience of wireless imo. That said, the phone I use is a 11 Pro and I don't want to switch to the new design, even though I think it looks really great. The feel of the 11 Pro is just much better imo
I miss headphone jack
I have a friend with a 6S who refuses to upgrade to a modern iPhone because he thinks wired earphones pack a lot more bass than Beats or AirPods
@@safiullahqureshi3196 Maybe an adapter or some wireless headphones he'd like? (On a family member's account)
I keep my iPhone 5c around for the headphone jack and the last version of the podcast app that had the playlist feature.
I personally got the Google Pixel 6, however, before that, I was deciding between the Pixel 5a 5g, the Pixel 6, and the Pixel 6 Pro. The features for the 6 Series just seemed to outweigh things like having a headphone jack. I will say, every time I am reminded of it, I do wish this phone has a headphone jack
I have a last-gen SE, and I bought it to return to iOS. After two years, I'm not dissatisfied, but I'm also not satisfied that I can find an upgrade that would be worth the money I'd have to spend
My wife had the SE2 gen 2, nice little phone but now she has my old Note 9, the bigger screen (yes thats a big jump in size) was the thing that did it. The idea of the SE is fantastic, take the existing body that they have spent all the money already on the tooling to create the body and parts, then upgrade to a few new things to improve performance and you can sell it cheaper, great concept but I think with this gen they really needed the bigger screen and more modern body, then I think it would be a perfect phone
I honestly thought the SE line would be killed off since the iphone mini became a thing. I really don't think 5G and the A15 were even worth refreshing the SE model for. As long as apple chose to continue supporting it, the 2nd gen SE would have been fine to continue selling for another year.
Exept the battery in the se2 is just a complete deal breaker
Passing by as one of the Touch ID nuggets... I just love the fingerprint unlock and a standard interface design (means without the notch). Still using my iPhone 8 and SE is the best option I have if it ever breaks down. I am considering iPhone 14 to be my future travel camera, but I have no plan to move away from a Touch ID device as my main phone.
If you really like iPhones but do not like the notch/design, maybe get an Android device of your choice and flash it with a custom ROM, or even program one for your needs if you want to.
Ah yes, I program ROMs everyday when I get home. Very easy.
@@Dudik28 Depends on the person. Find a custom one if you don't want to do it yourself.
Have you ever even tried face id?
@@Progan666 Yes, have used iPhone 12 Pro Max for a week.
I'm *still* running my old 6s+ that I got soon after the initial release... larger screen, headphone jack, touch id, 3d touch, all things that I actively use and don't want to give up just for a better CPU and a bunch of extra cameras I'll never use. I love being able to unlock my phone by just reaching over to it at an off-angle while it's just sitting on the desk or whatever; not having a fingerprint reader is just an instant no from me. Just replaced the battery in it recently so I'll probably keep using it for quite a few more years unless Apple decides to bring the headphone jack back alongside touch id with a larger screen size in a future model.
It would be cool to see an iPhone SE with an iPhone XR body, iPad Air 4 TouchID power button (with no FaceID), the latest processor, MagSafe, and at least a 1080p screen.
As someone who hates the notch and has set my pixel 4a screen to be slightly shorter so that there isn't a pinhole camera shown in it, I hope apple never gets rid of the iphone se. All the iphone se needs is to bring back the headphone jack, and it would be perfect.
Never gonna happen 😒😔
I’d just get over the notch
I always get so excited to get notifications from this channel :)
@Don't Read My Profile Photo okay I won’t
Same here. I always expect great quality from Mac Address tbh
If I ever bought an iPhone, it would be any model *with* bezels. I always liked the æstethic of the center button and capacitive sensors are, to me, still better than face recognition. Plus, the "ancient" stuff usually appeals to me, so I'd love to use an ancient form factor just because it's called ancient (even tho it's literally just from 5 years ago or so)
I was thinking about waiting for this iPhone SE thinking that it would come with the XR body, but the rumours were saying that it would stick to the old iPhone 8 design. I didn't want to wait and get disappointed so I got the 13 Mini, which I'm glad I did because the rumours were true.
I waited months for the SE announcement. When it was finally announced, I was rather underwhelming. No magsafe, no wide angle camera, no oled screen. When I realized how similar the iphone 12 was to the 13, I bought that instead. Used 12mini 128gb: just under 400 USD after tax and shipping. I've had it for a month, zero regrets.
I don’t want an already used phone so I will be getting a red SE to replace my current 2 year old white one
Biggest mistake was to remove the headphones jack, for me at least.
Yeah, I will never stop being salty about it. I own a qudelix 5k which is an awesome solution, but nothing better than native ability to drive studio quality headphones and have Bluetooth.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 People who don't like wireless audio would buy an SE despite all the flaws. I don't need more batteries in my life, this planet either. I hate "disposable" devices. Audio quality is an important factor too of course and convenience.
I'm on an iPhone 8 and have been waiting to upgrade to a USB-C iPhone for years, who knows if it'll ever happen. The 2022 SE had me super interested, but the quick screen comparison brought that down a bit. I also don't mind missing MagSafe since I just see that as a need to buy into another whole ecosystem. Very much into TouchID over FaceID. Overall the SE phones always felt like they just wanted to get the most out of their iPhone 8 body tooling which I certainly don't mind. I prefer the smaller phones and wouldn't expect to grab anything other than a 'mini' of the latest.
Was using the 6S before getting the SE3, as updates stopped the phone from some app updates and installation.
Over that year so far and it has been great.
I’m sticking with my iPhone SE 2nd generation until there’s another model with this form factor.
Small size, Home button, Touch ID and no notch or rounded corners!
It’s perfect, especially for someone like me who doesn’t have a real need for more than one rear camera.
I also appreciate having some space on either side of the display to grip while playing a landscape game or video.
That said, when there’s an iPhone mini with USB-C and ProMotion, I’ll consider moving away.
@@MonocleRB sadly both the things you mentioned aren't happening, this will probably be the last SE in this body and 13 mini was the last mini iphone.
Honestly they upgraded the right thing imo, better battery and performance so it lasts longer, people who buy this generally dont care for anything else
Also Jonathan, for future reference, I was wondering if you could provide a video about iCloud Security Flaws and Systems that are not fully practical explained in apple website, like Legacy Contacts, Account Recovery and such. South American countries are struggling with some rising rates of iPhone robberies/thefts and many people are having their lifes hacked even within the safest “Apple Ecossystem”.
Big fan! Hope you have a great week. Regards.
I still can't believe there's not a stronger market for smaller phones, I'm an android guy, but my mom's 12 mini is the perfect form factor for a phone in my opinion. Very one-hand friendly and pocketable.
I think my family is who this phone is for. We buy new devices when old ones become unusable, which will be lack of OS upgrades for the Macs and death by dropping for the phones. They will always be the "reasonable" ones - Mac Mini, MacBook, iPad, iPhone SE - because we have honest jobs and are five people in the family, so there just isn't the money for the high-end stuff. If you want to use Apple's OS landscape and the cheapest available hardware to do so is fine for you, this is your phone. Android really isn't an option at all no matter the powerful hardware or aggressive pricing, all the things you've been used to doing for more than a decade just won't work the same anymore, and all the apps you paid for would have to be paid for again. Also: yes, my eyes are aging, but I still very much like to carry my phone in my pocket. Call me old-fashioned, but I won't be seen with a handbag no matter how awesome the phone to carry it in.
As an Android user that's never interacted with an Apple device for more than a few minutes, I do admire the iPhone 5 series bodies, and think the 6 body here is pleasant and minimal, as well. I've considered trying the SE series before for the hardware design alone, though my aversion to switching to an entirely new ecosystem and zeitgeist is what has kept me away.
I’m writing this comment on my 2022 iPhone SE that I have had for almost a year now. I’m 25 so not in either demographic you predicted would want this phone, but I personally love it. I got it for $30 from my carrier, so price wise it was a very good deal. I also really like the size of it because I have small hands and it’s a lot more comfortable to use. Finally, I find that the home button makes it a bit quicker and more fluid to navigate between open apps, compared to swiping gestures.
I've been using an iPhone XS since it was the flagship and it's still working very well. might be due for a new battery soon but I don't see an upgrade in my future for a while.
My dad and I were both on iPhone 7s and upgraded our phones this year. My dad got the SE3, I got a 13, and I feel so guilty with how much better the 13 is. It's not even close, and while a lot of the differences go over his head the screen size is obvious and something he would have greatly benefited from. He's still not outright said a single word to indicate his unhappiness with the phone, though, even though I know it didn't thrill him the way it should have. I don't deserve such a good dad.
I think the Touch ID form factor is superior to Face ID for the phone package. Primarily if I just want to use the voice interface without it leaving my pocket. I recently got the 2nd gen SE after losing my beloved 1st gen SE. while yes, the camera still isn’t great at night, I’ve found that I would rather experience the evening, not photograph it. Plus it’s good enough for inside my place at night with the lights on if I need to take a picture of anything.
I'm currently using my old phone (mi6) that has the same form factor while I wait for some custom firmware to be updated on my current phone, and its still quite nice! (It's also really fast despite being 5 years old now!) For someone who doesn't care about phone's it'd be perfectly usable. With that said, yep I'd love to see it in that 10R form factor.
I upgraded from a pixel 3a to this. I got it because my pixel died spectacularly and I wanted a phone that would actually be supported for 4+ years for around the $400 dollar range and I could easily enough put in a new battery when this one starts wearing down. I actually like the smaller screen and size because it fits in my pocket easier. An iPhone 13 mini still would have been preferred though
Even the iPhone 8 Plus would have been awesome. I have the second gen se and it does everything I need, only thing that I would want to improve is screen brightness and size, plus maybe a tinnyy bit louder speakers. I think using the iPhone 8 Plus body could solve most if not all of those problems while still making use of old tooling etc.
cool video, are you guys planning on doing more coverage on the mac studio stuff?
I agree. I went through this in August. It came down to the SE and XR and I went with the XR because it was just a more modern design for slightly more. I would have preferred the 12 mini for screen size and design but the price was too steep. The SE is just an outdated design at this point.
I just fairly recently switched from the 2020 iPhone SE to the 2022 version. My main reason for switching was because my 2020 could not hold a decent battery charge, and the lightning port was finicky and didn’t always register a solid connection. I did consider the iPhone 13 mini, but ultimately decided on the updated SE for 3 reasons: 1) It saved me from having to buy new peripherals; 2) I still wanted a physical home button with Touch ID; and 3) the cost. I’ve prided myself for being an Apple user since 2002 and never having paid full retail price for any Apple product. The 3rd generation SE was no exception. This came from carefully stalking eBay listings for quite some time. In the end, I got a tremendous deal in buying a virtually brand new SE (still with 100% battery capacity, and AppleCare + eligibility) for only $230. Granted, this came through a tremendous amount of patience. And yes, I am likely an older member of the Apple demographic, being a GenXer.
My wife still holds onto her 1st generation SE, like you do, for one simple reason: all bigger phones (i.e., EVERY smartphone currently on the market) will not fit into her pants pockets, or as she calls it, the curse of a mostly male design/production staff NOT considering the needs of women
I was looking for a new phone recently, my only criteria were: it had to be small and it had to have great battery. The iPhone SE missed the mark on battery for me, so I got a refurbished Google Pixel 5 instead
Mum needed an iPhone to replace her 8 so I found one on a used iPhone site, got her an SE 2nd gen with 128gb storage and its worked great for the last 6 months or so. She didn't want anything bigger like the 11 which is also quite a bit heavier.
I wouldn't rule out looking for used and refurbished iPhones, especially if you don't need the latest model, I have the 11 which I got new 3 years ago but seriously considering getting an 11 Pro for half the cost of the new 14 Pro. I know it won't be a huge upgrade from the budget 11 but for now it will be enough until Apple puts USB-C in the iPhone.
I've personally switched from a Samsung S10 to an Iphone 13 and right now I'm using an older Iphone 7 128GB (bought it especially) for work. My Team Lead just informed us that we will be getting the SE 2022 from the office as a work phone so I'm curious to see the difference between my old 7.
I got the iPhone SE 2020 last year - does everything I need - much prefer Touch ID to Face ID & don’t use the camera for anything complicated.
I’m hoping that by the time I need to upgrade they will add under screen Touch ID to the next gen iPhones, although it’s not a complete deal breaker.
I agree with basically everything in this video. I bought an iPhone SE for my 70 year-old dad to replace his aging iPhone 7 that he stubbornly refused to replace. The SE retains the home button that he refused to do without, although I really wanted him to try a 13 mini. His impression of the device after a day of use was “It feels exactly like my old one, just a bit faster”, and that is a good thing for people like him that just want a familiar pre-iPhone X experience with modern hardware. However, for many consumers that are on a budget and aren’t as attached to the home button as my dad, a refurbished or used iPhone 12 or 13 series is probably the best option. The iPhone 13 mini new from Apple with the recent price drop has made it a competitive offering at less than 100 USD more than a 128GB iPhone SE.
Yesterday, for mums birthday we upgraded her from an iPhone 8 to a the SE 2022. I put the the new phone in her old case and she didn't notice and that was a good thing.
I just bought one of these for my wife. She has an 8 that's on its last legs and I gave her the choice of this or the 13 and she chose the SE because it's what she knows and has used for so many years.
I love the touch id form factor. Being able to unlock it while I'm pulling it out of my pocket never gets old. I have no idea why people love face id. Also knowing my phone has its camera on all the time, ready for face id makes me feel icky.
My mom went from a 6+ to the SE, and I got my grandma who lives in a care home an SE to Facetime since visitation was closed/restricted. Overall it's a solid purchase for them, but I have to wonder why Apple didn't use the plus form factor. Bigger phones sell better anyway, and as you say, given the limited target market for the SE, the extra size of a plus (and the dual cameras it had) would make a better product.
My first iPhone was the original SE. My little sister got the 2nd Gen SE as her first iPhone. Now my youngest sister is getting her first iPhone soon and my parents are going to get her an SE. It really is great for teenagers.
I will say I’m curious about the longevity of the device. My sister got her 2nd Gen SE around the time I upgraded to a 13 Pro Max. Of course the 13 is going to have better longevity, but her battery health is already down to 93% in less than a year, compared to my 98% with significantly higher usage
Everyone forgets that those extra features don’t change the actual experience in apps at all. The screen looks super great to me, I like the small size as it makes for a simple device with a sharp yet low res display for more headroom. I had a pixel 6, and I miss nothing.
I’m 17, and I know others my age with an SE who like it. People compliment mine. It’s not ancient or dated it’s just a solid phone.
My Dad doesn't care much for technology and just wants something with a home button that just works and for a friendly price so the SE is perfect for him, it's also the same as his previous iPhone 8 so he doesn't need to learn anything new but he has the latest internals so his phone will be fine for the next 3-4 years.
I have an 8+, and not planning to replace it any time soon.
Apple Pay is super-convenient on it, rest my thumb on the home button, hold the phone over the card reader, and it charges my default card for my purchase. It is as easy as using a physical card, but without the contactless transaction limit.
In 2020 I upgraded from an iPhone 6S to iPhone SE. When I ordered the phone I was excited but my excitement started fading when I held the phone in my hands. It felt a little different but with a case I felt like I bought the same phone again. After I backed up my data my excitement was totally gone because I literally can't tell the difference. That's when the small screen kind of became annoying even though I was used to it and I also felt they should have at least went with the iPhone XR body.
Not a very popular phone today, but I think the ZTE Axon 30 is a great alternative for the problems the SE has. A huge 6.9" screen (and the UDC), and the Snaodragon 870 should make for a great package.
On the Touch ID:
I have the 2nd gen iPhone SE (I had the first one too) and while excited to eventually get a new phone, the iPhones not having Touch ID is genuinely a dealbreaker for me. I love the fingerprint scanner, it’s my favourite feature. It makes getting into my phone so easy and seeing my friends with androids that at first just moved the sensor to another part of the phone, and THEN have the sensor under the screen… I’m left wondering how Apple is so far behind? I legit want a fancier iPhone with a good camera since this one kinda sucks, but I don’t want to give up on Touch ID. I’m guessing I’m getting disappointing news in September but part of my really hopes they adopt some sort of fingerprint sensor since Face ID is really annoying.
I have a 1st gen SE and love the thing. Had the battery replaced but it is approaching end of software update life (probably this fall) so I will probably upgrade to this 3rd gen version. I really like touch ID (and hate face ID), and the traditionally long software support provided by apple is really nice for me as I don't want/need the latest features and stuff on my phone, and don't really like upgrading every generation and creating more e-waste. Hell, if I could still get software support, I would stick with my 1st gen SE cause I really like the form factor. Living in Canada, data prices are stupidly high, so I almost never actually use it for anything except iMessage and other internet-based messaging, so the 5g is largely useless for me, but I guess it'll be nice to have
I also recommended for people who just want small phones. I have friends with serious health issues that don’t let some use a huge phone comfortably and they haven’t switched phones because a lot of the new phone says aren’t comfortable at all for them to use every day even with all the new features they added on them to try and help with that.
My friend got one and he updated from an iPhone SE 2
The only way I was able to tell a difference was because he still had the default background from when you buy it
i went from the original SE, to a X, to a 13PM, and with trade ins, the 13pm has been by far the phone i’ve spent the least $$$ on. Personally, i would have been very happy with a new SE with the body of the XR, or 11, with face id ripped out and touch id in the power button
I think you might have mixed up the labels for the iPhone 11 and iPhone SE A13 at 2:24.
My dad and I bought the iPhone SE 3 and while my dad doesn’t see a change since he had the SE 2. I saw a big difference between the 8 that started being slow and not as good.
I’m using the 2020 SE and it’s a great phone however for the 3rd iteration I was fully expecting it to be an update of the XR or maybe as you said 11 which would have made the sense.
Having a updated XR would offer something to even to people like myself or with older home button iPhones.
It’s tricky to think who I’d recommend it too except for people such as my parents that don’t use their phones much and/or struggle navigating android.
When they released 2nd Gen SE it was a compelling package though the battery for heavy users isn’t great although I manage to make to the end of the day with moderate usage.
Hopefully the 4th Gen will be a far more appealing package for those upgrading or coming to Apple.
It would be nice to see an iPhone SE 4 potentially in the body of a 13 mini, although even in the body of an 11 or an XR would be respectable compared to the dated iPhone 8 body today.
Just had a new battery put into my four year old iPhone X. There hasn’t been a good enough reason to upgrade since, and I can’t see there being one at the moment until they finally put a USB-C jack on an iPhone and we can finally just use one cable and one charger for everything!