A target group you're forgetting is businesses. I work for an international company with a limited it budget and a dislike for byod. Apple is an obvious choice as a company phone because the amount of versions and compatibility issues is kept to a minimum. Our IT doesn't care about the camera or the small screen, they care that it is affordable and that it will get security updates for the next 5-6 years 😉
this video is for the average consumer not for business purposes. I'm glad you can work it out but it's company's money not your own money so who cares. at the end of the day iphone are made with average consumer in mind.
Not to mention, Apple really hated BYOD anyway. On Android, everything you are doing for Work is kept nice and separate inside the Work Profile, while on Apple it commandeers whatever app your company use for Mail and others. So if you are using Outlook for your personal mail, and your company uses Outlook for company mail so it needs to manage Outlook, and you leave your company, the Outlook got soft-wipe, that means you will need to put in your personal mail again
@@smug_slime Apple is a HUGE player in the enterprise mobile space, and they put a lot of resources into them. One of the reasons the SE was developed. When you deploy cell phones to your users, the company’s money is your money. When you overspend intentionally, you’re out of a job.
@@smug_slime Not really. My company fields a few thousands iPhones from the 8 to the latest SE. It is very important that they all look the same, otherwise we would have idiot users breaking the phones, or throwing tantrums, to get new ones (I saw this). You are also wrong about the SE being made for the regular consumer. One individual can justify paying extra 100$ for something that will use in the next 2 or 3 years, it won’t be much of a difference to get a better phone, a company that buys 1000 a year saves 100k by choosing the cheaper one.
Something that I learned from working in a rehab/geriatric ward is that Home Button is much more accessible for people who lack fine motor skills, in comparison to gesture controls. One click and you’re back home, double click to see open apps. Without the home button, it’s swipe up quickly to go home, swipe and hold for multi tasking screen. That isn’t too easy for the elderly and people with disabilities. I hope Apple continues making phones with physical buttons/or improve the gesture. I use SE personally because I don’t do much on my phone. (Got an iPad for most tasks)
Well, in accessibility menu, AssistiveTouch can help for motor skills, you can even customise it. I have CP (left side, spasticity) and i've tried using it with my left hand. it works surprisingly well (I don't use it day to day as I use my devices with my non-disabled hand), there are also voice commands, maybe it's better for disabled folks. (and I'm glad that they have integrated accessibility features)
I noticed with one older lady tho, she doesn’t have a fingerprint! Eczema prevents her from using the thumb scanner. Is there a way to disable it and go straight to passcode?
About the A53 thing: the consensus in general is that the new model is a bit of a "sidegrade" compared to the A52 series (and specially the A52s 5G revision with a more efficient and snappier Snapdragon SoC). The A53 has the misfortune of having a slow and inefficient Exynos chip which makes things quite laborious. Also, no headphone jack compared to previous models. Great video as usual, nonetheless. Love the more chilled out style.
This is exactly why I recently purchased my Girlfriend a Galaxy A52s 5G rather than the A53 to upgrade from her 5 year old Galaxy S8. The A53 is not a good buy with a much worse processor and here in Australia at least, it's RRP is $50 higher with no headphone jack or charger in the box. Samsung has lost it this year in terms of it's mid range offerings.
This was surprisingly deep… I have the 13 regular, but I kinda love the simplicity of the Touch ID, my mom still has the 7 and I like how small it is, very light compared to the bulkiness of the 13. Not sure I’d upgrade it though, they’d need to add better features for me to consider, like the camera upgrade, better storage, etc.
If the size is what you are after the iPhone minis are smaller than the SE 3 with a larger screen and all the features you want from the SE. Unfortunately, there is a chance there won't be a mini next year.
@@Some1Something I had the regular 11 but my battery started dying, it was just sort of a no-brainer -- since the 11 is much lighter, figured this one was the same... Oh well.
“Why do I need 5G?” That’s been my question ever since they started rolling it out. LTE is more than fast enough for the vast majority of people. 5G has much worse penetration through walls and objects, requiring much more frequent tower placement. It also uses more battery while using 5G. Many more disadvantages too. Overall, never understood the push for 5G.
I've had better packet loss on 5G compared to LTE, but that's about it. Although the vanilla 5G is pretty much just LTE. The real fancy stuff the millimeter wave version, which is much faster than LTE or vanilla 5G, but that can be blocked by pretty much anything, making it useful only in large cities with direct line of sight to the cell tower.
From what I understand, you will not see much of a difference between LTE and 5G (in its current iteration) in non-crowded areas. Where 5G should make a difference is in very congested areas, like city centres or stadiums, where 5G performance degrades more slowly as the number of connected devices goes up. So think of 5G vs LTE as a ten-lane highway vs a straight two-lane road. If both are reasonably free of traffic, you can drive almost just as fast on either. If you add more traffic, the two-lane road will get much slower much quicker. Driving on the big highway costs more (assume it’s a toll road) - you use up more energy and the battery drains faster. What current smartphones do is employ a hybrid approach: use LTE if you are not in a crowded area, to save battery, and switch to 5G once performance starts to degrade on LTE (assuming you have 5G coverage). 5G is not about raw speed, it’s mostly about increasing network capacity as more and more devices are connected to the internet.
My grandma upgraded from an iPhone 7 to the new SE earlier this year because the 7 was slowing down and she didn't want to give up the home button. I'm fairly convinced that the SE's market is for those who don't want to change or those who are too old to want to change, and I respect Apple doing that immensely. Because not everyone is like you and I, wanting the newest tech every single year, some would just rather it stay the way it is.
@@user-vk2cd9qw7i you do realise that face id is stored locally in a secure enclave on the iphone itself, right? it doesn't even utilise the camera to recognise your face.
@@user-vk2cd9qw7ibut you want them to have access to your fingerprint? Face ID is just scanning the depth of your face you can cover the camera and it still works
The release of the 12 mini is what finally led me to upgrade from my original SE. I was never really interested in the current iPhone 8 body and compared to family members' 12 and 12 Pro Max, I continue to be very happy with the form factor of the mini. My hope for the future of the SE lineup would be adopting that form factor in its next refresh, to align with the 13 mini no longer being available. I don't really have any interest if it sticks with this type of form factor, the convenience of Touch ID with masks notwithstanding. Meanwhile, I'm considering if I want to upgrade to a 13 mini now to eke out another year or two of use in case they don't...
it is i have it and actually it dosent have the software problems with stuttering because its been out for longer than A53 and it has been optimized for longer
The SE exists to also fill the niche of "sleeper" phones: high performance in an unassuming package. With my SE (2016) my friends were always amazed that my "iPhone 5" was running iOS 15. This phone sorta serves that same purpose: looks like an 8. Doesn't perform like an 8. It's for those who want the older style, but not the older performance. I like to personally believe the SE on these phones now stands for "Sleeper Edition".
Still using my 1st gen iPhone SE as a car play phone, works well. Partner has a second gen SE that she likes (5g not available here) so don't really see the point apart from the ram bump
I love my 2nd gen SE and I came from an Android flagship (Oneplus 6). That said, I hope that the extra gb of RAM helped it because I do run into apps closing fairly often on the 2020 model.
One thing that should be mentioned is that the SE here in the USA is being sold at carries for $100 on a two year contract at around $25-40 a month. Which for somebody that just needs a reliable phone is very decent
Isn’t the iPhone SE going to get a more substantial upgrade next year? Plus there’s the whole EU USB-C mandate to consider, which could impact the aforementioned redesign.
I think this is a good point. This seems more like a transitionary device to whatever the next SE is. More akin from moving from a 6 to a 6s than a 6 to an 8 if that makes sense? It certainly doesn't appear that there was much in the way of forward thought here.
@@macaddress I would think that they switch to the iPhone x(e) body after all the iPhones come with the punch out camera. This year, only the pros have it. Next year, both of them might. The SE probably has to look like an "old" iPhone
I have no idea why they have to put 5G everywhere, not just apple. 4G is more than capable to reach 300mbps and more. 5G on budget/low mid-range phones should not exist.
I bought one of these (2nd Gen) because it does everything I need a phone to do and it doesn't cost $700+. I hate carrying around a huge phone and while the iPhone 13 mini is a perfect size I really don't see the justification in paying over $300 more for it. I guess I'm in that fringe group even though I'm not a teenager or a boomer. 🤷🏽♂️
I have a 12 Mini with 128gb - and it was offered for $200 off a year ago. I love it and I would absolutely recommend it! I really miss touch ID though. It just made so much sense.
I upgraded from an iPhone 8 Plus (which had stopped connecting to 4G LTE) to the new iPhone SE. Truth be told, you pretty much nailed exactly why I chose it -- getting (almost) flagship performance, which is easily going to last several years, in a budget phone price class. I'm a couple decades off from being a boomer, but the way I use my phone is pretty simple. I recognize the camera has shortcomings, but it's more than good enough for capturing moments and memories - I'm not a content creator and not trying to grow an Instagram following, so I see severe diminishing returns from the newer features and improved fidelity of more modern smartphone cameras. The screen sure is small, but I see diminishing returns there, too; I overwhelmingly use a computer or television to watch video content rather than my phone, and the 4.7" display is just fine for reading articles online, scrolling Twitter, chatting on Discord, and so on. It's good enough to read and respond to emails and Slack messages for work, too. I also like Touch ID, but that wasn't a major consideration. As you say, it may be that I represent a very small and shrinking population of mobile users, but I'm extremely happy with my purchase.
I just purchased a 3rd gen SE. Mainly for the small display size & preferring the old form factor with a home button. I'm personally not a fan of edge-to-edge displays, since not only is it hard (at least for me) to reach all edges of the display, it also makes it more of a challenge to have a firm grip on the phone without touching the screen. My main reasons for going with the 3rd gen SE though, more or less, are: 1. Cheap accessories - Compatibile with almost all the old iPhone 6-8 accessories, which I have around, and for what I don't have I'm confident it'll fit anyway. 2. Expected to have 6 years of support - I'm coming from a 1st gen SE, it's 6 years old now & likely gonna have updates cut for it this year. I'd like to stick with only getting a new phone every 6 years, as I rarely have any major issues that warrant a new phone in the first place. 3. Hardware spec bump - Mostly just worried about having more storage, as 16gb is abysmal in today's times. But the bump in other specs will be nice. 4. It's also just one of the few new small smartphones out there - on top of that, one of the few new small smartphones that aren't trash. Like stated earlier, I'm coming from the 1st gen SE, and I'd like to stick with displays
I have a family member who has extremely limited eyesight and is very familiar with iOS at this point (having had an iPhone 6S previously). That family member needed a new phone a few months ago but also needed something bigger. We wound up getting a used iPhone 8 Plus because it had to have the home button (since said family member wouldn't be able to see well enough to use the gesture controls but can feel for the home button and because it's just so familiar). I wish Apple would release an SE in the body of the 8 Plus rather than the 8, because at this point I think more people would go for that.
To be honest, they should adopt the iPhone 12 mini for the SE. There might be some growing pains, but if they reduce the cameras and perhaps find a suitable replacement for the home button for the elderly (like how Android has a digital home button) i think it could really become a hit.
@@slickl9608 iOS has a digital home button. however, screen is flat- you don't know your touching it until you press it. Bring back 3d touch and put a under screen fingerprint sensor and that might work. But for the elderly it's still hard to do, because it's still less tactile.
I love Mac Address videos. They're the only channel under the LMG umbrella that I have notifications turned on. It has everything to do with the structure. They're very well written. They have a level of quality comparable to MKBHD video and the products themselves from Apple.
I have a 13 pro, but sometimes I pop my SIM card back into second gen SE because of its simplicity and small form factor. Apple really nailed it with the SE and i hope it makes a return next year with a “new” old body.
Seeing that apple is discontinuing the mini of the iPhone and replaces it with a max version, could make you think the next iPhone see (4) could be in the chassis of the mini. If the idea is to prioritize the smaller form factor, than mini housing > xr housing. Keeping the button in the 4th generation of the SE could lead to almost bare minimum sales for apple.
@@myrealusername2193 totally agree. Currently my daily is the second generation SE but the 13 feels more modern. But still it isn’t enough for me to spend twice the price if does almost the exact same job :)
That would be my next phone, definitely! The thing that keeps me from having iPhone mini is its exorbitant prices. Where I live, the iPhone SE price is the same as flagship from chinese brand such as xiaomi 12 and realme gt pro, whille still expensive, it is still reasonable than buying an iPhone 13, let alone a 13 pro which cost 4x the minimum salary per month in my country
@@wilsonakawislonly4868 depends of battery health and usage. In the city i always have mobile internet and bluetooth on. I gat a maximum of 3 hrs of active screen usage at 60% brightness at 87% battery health
You guys could really clean up the charts a little. 5:46 it’s really hard to make any comparison unless you’re the comparing the sum of the scores. Why are the colours not in the same order for every phone? Why not just a 3 bar bar chart for every phone?
I miss the size of the first gen SE. With the removal of the iPod Touch, there’s no devices anyone can buy in that small form. There aren’t even Android devices that fill the niche. If Apple isn’t making the SE bigger, I hope they start making them smaller (however I do doubt that will happen).
An Android device that comes really, really close is Asus Zenfone 8. The price tag can be painful, but it has the 888 and is only within a centimeter(less than half an inch) wider and longer than the original SE, and even more similar in size as the mini flagships.
@@bidoofis While I agree that the iPhone 12 & 13 mini are the same size as the iPhone 8/SE 2 & 3, the Asus Zenfone 8 is still bigger than the iPhone minis. Last I checked, the length for the iPhone 12 mini is 131.5 mm (vs 148 for the Zenfone) and width is 64.2 mm (vs 68.5mm for Zenfone). Numbers for the new Zenfone 9 vs iPhone 13 mini might differ though.
I had been viewing a lot of iPhone SE reviews because in helping a friend decide on an upgrade from her iPhone 6, I'd been comparing the SE and 13 mini based on price and size. But when we finally went to the store to buy - she ended up getting a 13 Pro! (We thought physical size and Touch ID would originally be the deciding factors, but as noted in the review it came down to screen quality and camera versatility; the telephoto lens ended up the tipping point.)
They just announced the Pixel 6a which will finally be a decent middle ground in this price range. It has the same Tensor chip from the regular 6 at $450
@@terribletimes902I appreciate the 120hz and alright cameras, but they do not do so good months after use. Bought my dad an A72; 2 months later he can't even get on an app and text.
I’m sticking with my iPhone SE 2nd generation until there’s another model with this form factor. Small size, Home button, Touch ID and no notch or rounded corners! It’s perfect, especially for someone like me who doesn’t have a real need for more than one rear camera. I also appreciate having some space on either side of the display to grip while playing a landscape game or video.
I upgraded from the SE (2nd Gen) to the Mini 13 and it's such a great phone. At first I wasn't sure if I liked it better because you are giving up Touch ID and I found that the bezels on the SE made using the phone in landscape mode more ergonomic. But aside from that, the Mini 13's form factor is more pocketable, easier to use with one hand, and has hardware upgrades across the board. It's not just the A15 or camera (which impressed me more than I thought it would) but also the many small things not all reviewers talk about that sets this phone apart from the much older SE design. The SE is fine, but if you are a serious user or tech enthusiast it will likely leave some to be desired and what I thought would be a phone I'd be using for years to come barely took me 2 years to replace with the Mini 13 as my daily driver. (I still however use the SE as a backup phone and for gaming sometimes because of the aforementioned better ergonomics in landscape orientation)
The screen on the SE alone would be a deal breaker. It's still the same as on the 8, so for today's standards it falls behind the competition, even cheaper Android phones
@@TRRDroid Honestly I’m not sure if I really buy the use of OLED screens. I found the SE’s screen to be slightly more natural in terms of colors (but that could just be a matter of calibration). There seems to be a trend of screens with oversaturated colors these days. I have to admit though the Mini 13’s screen does look good and “natural” colors aside, the contrast ratio is unmatched in comparison obviously. The screen is also taller, has higher res and pixel density and a much better response time. So despite both running at 60hz the Mini 13’s animations are still much smoother than that of the SE. So in that sense, I can see how the SE’s screen looks severely outdated. Edit: another observation worth mentioning is that the 13 Mini’s screen seems much less prone to micro-scratches, perhaps due to the “ceramic shield” application.
@@Jun-mimimouto OLED screens just generally look more smooth as LCDs often suffer from ghosting. Yeah the saturation is higher on OLEDs, though it became more natural within recent years, earlier Samsung phones had horrendously over saturated screens. The better scratch resistance just comes from higher quality glass though the term Ceramic Shield is a lie since it barely contains any ceramic and doesn't offer any additional scratch resistance compared to regular glass. Actual ceramic displays have a much higher scratch resistance than any glass but are also a lot more expensive, which is why only few phones had actual ceramic displays
@@TRRDroid Thank you for sharing your experiences~ I am curious however, what phones or where have you seen phones with actual ceramic displays? A quick google search doesn’t bring up much relevant and actually suggests ceramics in the traditional sense are opaque or less transparent, which would make them unsuitable as a screen. The “Ceramic Shield” on the other hand they say is more of a hybrid glass/ceramic display.
@@Jun-mimimouto Well Ceramic Shield does have a very small amount of ceramic in it. JerryRigEverything tested it and also had multiple devices with actual ceramic screens
I rocked an original iPhone SE for almost 5 years until I picked up an iPhone 12 in January. Thought I would miss Touch ID, I don't. Thought the larger phone would be more cumbersome, it isn't. MagSafe, fast charging, better camera, more storage, faster processing, I've been very happy with my purchase. I can't imagine what it would take to get me to spend hundreds of more dollars for the next 5 years at least.
The SE3 is my first iPhone. I have found it to be very good for my needs. I do not do extensive photography so there is little need for "night mode" although it is surprising it is not there considering they added a new processor chip, increased RAM and new imaging software. I would have also liked for it to start at 128gig storage instead of 64gig. Also when I compared the retina display to some of the OLED phones the LCD retina display was easily comparable and very good in image quality. When I did a video at a sporting event the video and sound turned out really nice. The 5G seems to work fine and so does Siri. Having said all of that, since I have had such a pleasant introduction to the iPhone with the SE3, I think my next phone will be a more "enhanced" iPhone with all the bells and whistles.
I actually upgraded to this from an 2nd generation iPhone SE because I love the form factor, touch ID and expect this to be the last one. It's still a well rounded basic phone that should last me for many years.
Was using the 6S before getting the SE3, as updates stopped the phone from some app updates and installation. Over that year so far and it has been great.
As an original SE owner, I picked up the refresh in 2020 and wasn’t a fan, ended up putting my sim back into the old SE. Then I picked up the 12 mini and have been enjoying it ever since. Honestly if Apple released a 5s body SE today with a modern home button, updated display(sameish size as before)and an assortment of obvious updates like camera etc, I’d be sold and pick it right up. I don’t need a fancy camera array, just something nice enough to shoot a pic here and there. I don’t need a huge display as I use my iPad mini when enjoying content and games or scrolling the internet. I like having the headphone jack as I’ve been reluctant to put a different radio in my truck with Bluetooth. Wireless/MagSafe charging would be nice. The mini in all practical sense is the real progression from the original SE/5s design, but it does have that ever so slight increase in size and the full surface display does at times make things awkward with the smaller size. It’s odd to say, but somehow having a bigger screen on a smaller device is clunkier.
At one time, the SE made a lot of sense. Last years tech in an old body for half the price. A great deal for someone who doesn’t care for the bleeding edge. The issue comes when Apple stalls development of the device. The SE SHOULD be a refined version of the iPhone from three years ago. It was that at one time, then they stopped updating it.
I honestly thought the SE line would be killed off since the iphone mini became a thing. I really don't think 5G and the A15 were even worth refreshing the SE model for. As long as apple chose to continue supporting it, the 2nd gen SE would have been fine to continue selling for another year.
20ish year old person here the 2nd gen se has been my main phone for 2 years now, and I love the format and smaller size can’t see to like the home button/Touch ID less phones and I’m considering getting the 3rd gen to double my storage and keep the form factor for longer
I’ve been using se 2nd gen for 2 years now. It’s my first iPhone and I love it! Yep, the battery is a trash but performance is really good! I don’t take a lot of photos, but camera is ok for my daily usage and taking some pics for insta. The main issue with camera is artificial blurring( sometimes it behaves strangely). My group mate has the same phone and she is happy with it too. I’d say it is a good variant when your main goal is longevity.
Lets hope it's not like pervious SEs, because if the finger-print stops working after a drop you might as well toss it in a bin. Basically the traces imbedded in the PCB layers are so fragile that they can break after a fall. And to repair it, you have to dig a hole through the top PCB layer to connect a wire to the trace and run that wire over the CPU to the trace's other end.
Passing by as one of the Touch ID nuggets... I just love the fingerprint unlock and a standard interface design (means without the notch). Still using my iPhone 8 and SE is the best option I have if it ever breaks down. I am considering iPhone 14 to be my future travel camera, but I have no plan to move away from a Touch ID device as my main phone.
If you really like iPhones but do not like the notch/design, maybe get an Android device of your choice and flash it with a custom ROM, or even program one for your needs if you want to.
Wait, not to be that guy (I’m sorry) but the graph for the geekbench scores seem to be swapped for the 2nd gen iPhone SE and the iPhone 11? I don’t know if it’s the named that’s just swapped or the picture but the picture and name don’t match up.
I love my SE 3, lots of power due to the A15, battery life is really good (for its size anyway, lasts me 6+ hours screen on time), the screen size is good enough for me, and most importantly, many years of support, fine with the camera too, think its quite a nice deal.
The battery length for it sucks, but it's not like they can put a bigger battery in it. Also, 14h of average person use is still great. Also, tiny battery+20 watt fast charging=I can charge my device fully in a half hour. Even on a cheap wireless charger, it's maybe an hour to charge fully.
I still keep my 6s around, because of the headphone jack, even though I have AirPods Pro. The reliability of a cable is still much better than the convenience of wireless imo. That said, the phone I use is a 11 Pro and I don't want to switch to the new design, even though I think it looks really great. The feel of the 11 Pro is just much better imo
I personally got the Google Pixel 6, however, before that, I was deciding between the Pixel 5a 5g, the Pixel 6, and the Pixel 6 Pro. The features for the 6 Series just seemed to outweigh things like having a headphone jack. I will say, every time I am reminded of it, I do wish this phone has a headphone jack
Really underrating having a button honestly. Other than TouchID, the home button can clear persistent notifications (home bar can’t), which is pretty nice when you’re in the middle of work and a calendar notification comes up Plus, having empty space to rest your fingers helps cut down on errors and makes pulling it out of the pockets better I’d really like to have a home button with the newer iPhone features
When I wanted to test how an iPhone feels last year (I use Macs, might as well try an iPhone) I went with the SE not because of the price but because it's small and has Touch ID. The size is a bonus, but the fingerprint sensor is an absolute must. Nothing else matters and to me the SE is still incomparably better than any other current iPhones because of it. I ended up strongly disliking iOS and moved back to Android, but the size, and the speed and efficiency of Touch ID are the two things I miss. (Yea, other Android phones have fast fingerprint readers, but usually in-screen, so you first have to light up the screen and then use the fingerprint reader. That's slower than combining the two actions by just pressing the Touch ID)
You dont use android dude. You dont need to turn on the screen at all. Once you develop muscle memory on the fingerprint position its just a matter of touching the correct position
@@mehshutup3041 I do use android and have been using it since Froyo in 2010. And none of the ones with fingerprint readers (OnePlus 8, Pixel 6) allowed you to use the fingerprint reader without the screen being lit up.
In 2021 I bought a 3 model old S10+ 512GB 4G phone for $350 and it is the best phone that I have ever had and it is now 4.5 years old and I could keep it for years to come
have been using the original se since launch and, tbh even after all this time i really don't feel for an upgrade because it does all the things a phone needs to do like a charm! yeah the screen is small, the battery life ain't great and etc etc but for me it is a decent everyday performer! and also being a little biased towards the design of this and the whole value aspect of this phone for which i actually bought it i don't think im upgrading to any phone as of now. though it depends on the 14 lineup if there's a 14 mini i might be intrigued to check it out otherwise i think i'll still use it for a year or two and then get the last mini iphone i could get.
@@estycki same here i didn't get my battery replaced cause of the huge premium you have to pay for anything apple in india but, my biggest trade off with the modern phones is still the headphone jack:/ i mean there are soo many instances you just need to have one and bluetooth devices aren't just upto the mark even if they are airpods or sony's or something.
@@sraycxviii I have so many problems with bluetooth... and why does EVERYTHING need a battery now? I have earphones for 10 years that work great, I bet once airpod batteries are no good anymore, they're just garbage.
Everyone forgets that those extra features don’t change the actual experience in apps at all. The screen looks super great to me, I like the small size as it makes for a simple device with a sharp yet low res display for more headroom. I had a pixel 6, and I miss nothing. I’m 17, and I know others my age with an SE who like it. People compliment mine. It’s not ancient or dated it’s just a solid phone.
1:50 It's not only about more data speed, but also bandwith in general. 5g towers are able to connect more clients without loosing bandwith so you will see high speeds even on high congested areas/times...
I waited months for the SE announcement. When it was finally announced, I was rather underwhelming. No magsafe, no wide angle camera, no oled screen. When I realized how similar the iphone 12 was to the 13, I bought that instead. Used 12mini 128gb: just under 400 USD after tax and shipping. I've had it for a month, zero regrets.
I just replaced my mom's 1st gen iPhone SE with an Apple refurbished iPhone 8 Plus: bigger screen, new battery, newer processor, and still has Touch ID. Apple would print money if they just made a big screen SE and kept the camera updated instead of going parts bin again and again.
My dad and I were both on iPhone 7s and upgraded our phones this year. My dad got the SE3, I got a 13, and I feel so guilty with how much better the 13 is. It's not even close, and while a lot of the differences go over his head the screen size is obvious and something he would have greatly benefited from. He's still not outright said a single word to indicate his unhappiness with the phone, though, even though I know it didn't thrill him the way it should have. I don't deserve such a good dad.
Yeah, I will never stop being salty about it. I own a qudelix 5k which is an awesome solution, but nothing better than native ability to drive studio quality headphones and have Bluetooth.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 People who don't like wireless audio would buy an SE despite all the flaws. I don't need more batteries in my life, this planet either. I hate "disposable" devices. Audio quality is an important factor too of course and convenience.
My Dad doesn't care much for technology and just wants something with a home button that just works and for a friendly price so the SE is perfect for him, it's also the same as his previous iPhone 8 so he doesn't need to learn anything new but he has the latest internals so his phone will be fine for the next 3-4 years.
Honestly they upgraded the right thing imo, better battery and performance so it lasts longer, people who buy this generally dont care for anything else
I’m writing this comment on my 2022 iPhone SE that I have had for almost a year now. I’m 25 so not in either demographic you predicted would want this phone, but I personally love it. I got it for $30 from my carrier, so price wise it was a very good deal. I also really like the size of it because I have small hands and it’s a lot more comfortable to use. Finally, I find that the home button makes it a bit quicker and more fluid to navigate between open apps, compared to swiping gestures.
As an Android user that's never interacted with an Apple device for more than a few minutes, I do admire the iPhone 5 series bodies, and think the 6 body here is pleasant and minimal, as well. I've considered trying the SE series before for the hardware design alone, though my aversion to switching to an entirely new ecosystem and zeitgeist is what has kept me away.
Dunno who the DirPho is on this channel, but keep it up. It still feels like an LMG channel, with the no-fucks-given, brutally-honest critiques, but at the same time, having that tone that reflects the type of people that you imagine your average Apple person to enjoy. And that wide shot at the station? Someone’s been watching old Top Gear.
It would be cool to see an iPhone SE with an iPhone XR body, iPad Air 4 TouchID power button (with no FaceID), the latest processor, MagSafe, and at least a 1080p screen.
TouchID for life. I upgraded from my 7 to a refurb 2nd gen SE in Oct 21. Would have bought new, but at the time, apple wasn't selling those with 256Gb, and I wanted increased storage. Nothing compelling about the 3rd gen to warrant an upgrade from the 2nd gen.
When talks about the Iphone SE 2022 was coming up. I told myself "If apple is reusing older chasis of their phones the 2022 models has to use the body from the Iphone X family right?". I almost convinced myself that was going to be the case. Im a android user currently but i wanted to test out an Iphone and see how that fares for me. It was a bummer seeing they still stuck with the Iphone 8 body. Like you said though, there are great iphone deals out there.
Things change if you get the A52s 5G into picture: that phone has a faster chipset (778G 5G) while maintaining virtually all the features of the newer A53 and, at the same time, it is often cheaper!
I just bought one of these for my wife. She has an 8 that's on its last legs and I gave her the choice of this or the 13 and she chose the SE because it's what she knows and has used for so many years.
I really appreciate that you don't ignore devices outside of the Apple ecosystem like other Apple youtubers, and even compare them with candid honesty. I absolutely loathe Apple, but I love this channel. You're a great host
Speaking as a boomer in training, I like the SE (1) form factor because it fits easily in one hand (and my pocket) and the home button gets me to square one without thinking (esp when I'm just waking up). I never liked anything past the 6 because it's just too big for a phone and yet still too small to be a reader. I'd use an iPad or MacBook if I cared about that. I'd buy an SE 1 again if it had 128 memory. I am tolerating my 13 mini until Apple realizes again that phones are supposed to be small and actually portable.
I just fairly recently switched from the 2020 iPhone SE to the 2022 version. My main reason for switching was because my 2020 could not hold a decent battery charge, and the lightning port was finicky and didn’t always register a solid connection. I did consider the iPhone 13 mini, but ultimately decided on the updated SE for 3 reasons: 1) It saved me from having to buy new peripherals; 2) I still wanted a physical home button with Touch ID; and 3) the cost. I’ve prided myself for being an Apple user since 2002 and never having paid full retail price for any Apple product. The 3rd generation SE was no exception. This came from carefully stalking eBay listings for quite some time. In the end, I got a tremendous deal in buying a virtually brand new SE (still with 100% battery capacity, and AppleCare + eligibility) for only $230. Granted, this came through a tremendous amount of patience. And yes, I am likely an older member of the Apple demographic, being a GenXer. My wife still holds onto her 1st generation SE, like you do, for one simple reason: all bigger phones (i.e., EVERY smartphone currently on the market) will not fit into her pants pockets, or as she calls it, the curse of a mostly male design/production staff NOT considering the needs of women
It's the perfect phone for my completely blind grandfather who uses voice over with screen curtain. Still has the tactility of the fake button, he would never want to use gestures. And has a decent battery and the most reliable performance being how new it is. Doesn't need any bells and whistles. His iPhone 6 recently started playing up and prompted the upgrade.
I’ve came from an iPhone 6s two years ago to second gen SE. The main draw for me, is that it is a small form factor, relatively cheap phone that I DIDNT have to do research on to make sure it wasn’t a POS like I would have had to do for androids in this price range. My biggest gripe is the look of the device, screen layout is positively ancient.
0:58 the only real way to tell the difference of an iPhone SE to an iPhone 8 is the apple logo on the iPhone 8 is raised higher then on the iPhone SE where it’s more in the middle.
I had to finally upgrade my iPhone 7. I walked into my nearest iStore (Premium Reseller, since South Africa doesn’t have Apple stores or online Apple store, but it’s basically the same with the stores even being similar) and I had the choice of an iPhone SE 3 or an iPhone 11 in my price range, they were priced exactly the same. Apple must be crazy if they think I’m going to buy an iPhone SE over an iPhone 11.
I love the cinematography of these videos, looks like they think about every color, because those red hoodies with the red iPhone SE catch so much attention and brighten the video, this is what you get watching their videos: high-quality content!
Not a very popular phone today, but I think the ZTE Axon 30 is a great alternative for the problems the SE has. A huge 6.9" screen (and the UDC), and the Snaodragon 870 should make for a great package.
For me, my new iPhone SE 2022 was an upgrade from my iPhone SE First gen. Agree that the target for the model is pretty slim. But I guess I'm quite lucky for that. I prefer a smaller screen and just basic camera operations. Nothing too fancy, yet. I hope it lasts long until the next SE or SE equivalent.
I agree that it’s a shame they didn’t update the form factor. However, I think Apple’s approach of limiting features but having a fast SoC is better than what the competing phones do. I know so many people who bought budget Android phones thinking they got a great deal because of the list of features. After 1-2 years of use, most found them so slow they need to upgrade. The iPhone SE will run well for years.
If I ever bought an iPhone, it would be any model *with* bezels. I always liked the æstethic of the center button and capacitive sensors are, to me, still better than face recognition. Plus, the "ancient" stuff usually appeals to me, so I'd love to use an ancient form factor just because it's called ancient (even tho it's literally just from 5 years ago or so)
I have an 8+, and not planning to replace it any time soon. Apple Pay is super-convenient on it, rest my thumb on the home button, hold the phone over the card reader, and it charges my default card for my purchase. It is as easy as using a physical card, but without the contactless transaction limit.
The cinematography in this channel is what makes it different from other LMG channels. Absolutely love this.
I love the “outside in the real wold” vibes
8:19 This part was so good, 3 angles in 5 seconds.
dude soo true it is breath of fresh air when compared to other tech youtube channels
Yeah, honestly I didn’t even know this was part of LMG at first
totally agree
A target group you're forgetting is businesses. I work for an international company with a limited it budget and a dislike for byod. Apple is an obvious choice as a company phone because the amount of versions and compatibility issues is kept to a minimum. Our IT doesn't care about the camera or the small screen, they care that it is affordable and that it will get security updates for the next 5-6 years 😉
this video is for the average consumer not for business purposes. I'm glad you can work it out but it's company's money not your own money so who cares.
at the end of the day iphone are made with average consumer in mind.
That’s a great point
Not to mention, Apple really hated BYOD anyway. On Android, everything you are doing for Work is kept nice and separate inside the Work Profile, while on Apple it commandeers whatever app your company use for Mail and others. So if you are using Outlook for your personal mail, and your company uses Outlook for company mail so it needs to manage Outlook, and you leave your company, the Outlook got soft-wipe, that means you will need to put in your personal mail again
@@smug_slime Apple is a HUGE player in the enterprise mobile space, and they put a lot of resources into them. One of the reasons the SE was developed. When you deploy cell phones to your users, the company’s money is your money. When you overspend intentionally, you’re out of a job.
@@smug_slime Not really. My company fields a few thousands iPhones from the 8 to the latest SE. It is very important that they all look the same, otherwise we would have idiot users breaking the phones, or throwing tantrums, to get new ones (I saw this). You are also wrong about the SE being made for the regular consumer. One individual can justify paying extra 100$ for something that will use in the next 2 or 3 years, it won’t be much of a difference to get a better phone, a company that buys 1000 a year saves 100k by choosing the cheaper one.
Something that I learned from working in a rehab/geriatric ward is that Home Button is much more accessible for people who lack fine motor skills, in comparison to gesture controls.
One click and you’re back home, double click to see open apps.
Without the home button, it’s swipe up quickly to go home, swipe and hold for multi tasking screen.
That isn’t too easy for the elderly and people with disabilities. I hope Apple continues making phones with physical buttons/or improve the gesture.
I use SE personally because I don’t do much on my phone. (Got an iPad for most tasks)
perhaps a underscreen fingerprint reader?
Well, in accessibility menu, AssistiveTouch can help for motor skills, you can even customise it. I have CP (left side, spasticity) and i've tried using it with my left hand. it works surprisingly well (I don't use it day to day as I use my devices with my non-disabled hand), there are also voice commands, maybe it's better for disabled folks. (and I'm glad that they have integrated accessibility features)
I noticed with one older lady tho, she doesn’t have a fingerprint! Eczema prevents her from using the thumb scanner. Is there a way to disable it and go straight to passcode?
@@estycki you can disable it in settings app in "touch id & passcode" category (the passcode will be prompted to access it)
@@alisha4902 great, I should have checked, I will set this for her, thanks!
About the A53 thing: the consensus in general is that the new model is a bit of a "sidegrade" compared to the A52 series (and specially the A52s 5G revision with a more efficient and snappier Snapdragon SoC). The A53 has the misfortune of having a slow and inefficient Exynos chip which makes things quite laborious. Also, no headphone jack compared to previous models.
Great video as usual, nonetheless. Love the more chilled out style.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Ok
@@saulgoodman2018 It's quite childish to assume something like that about a person you don't know anything about, just so you know.
This is exactly why I recently purchased my Girlfriend a Galaxy A52s 5G rather than the A53 to upgrade from her 5 year old Galaxy S8. The A53 is not a good buy with a much worse processor and here in Australia at least, it's RRP is $50 higher with no headphone jack or charger in the box. Samsung has lost it this year in terms of it's mid range offerings.
f- exynos, hail snapdragon
@@saulgoodman2018 The two "bad" phones are probably the only two cheap android phones worth bothering with. There is nothing else.
This was surprisingly deep…
I have the 13 regular, but I kinda love the simplicity of the Touch ID, my mom still has the 7 and I like how small it is, very light compared to the bulkiness of the 13. Not sure I’d upgrade it though, they’d need to add better features for me to consider, like the camera upgrade, better storage, etc.
If the size is what you are after the iPhone minis are smaller than the SE 3 with a larger screen and all the features you want from the SE. Unfortunately, there is a chance there won't be a mini next year.
What made you go for the regular rather than the mini?
@@Some1Something I had the regular 11 but my battery started dying, it was just sort of a no-brainer -- since the 11 is much lighter, figured this one was the same... Oh well.
@@mihaidragnea9785 I've heard that, minis weren't gonna be around much longer. Still no Touch ID though.
@@Some1Something I went from a 6 plus to a 7 plus then to a 12 mini and love it, essentially the same size screen but in a much smaller package.
“Why do I need 5G?” That’s been my question ever since they started rolling it out. LTE is more than fast enough for the vast majority of people. 5G has much worse penetration through walls and objects, requiring much more frequent tower placement. It also uses more battery while using 5G. Many more disadvantages too. Overall, never understood the push for 5G.
IMO - it's purely a marketing gimmick. No real practicality for most of us. Just like many of the 'upgrades' for your new phone, actually.
I've had better packet loss on 5G compared to LTE, but that's about it. Although the vanilla 5G is pretty much just LTE. The real fancy stuff the millimeter wave version, which is much faster than LTE or vanilla 5G, but that can be blocked by pretty much anything, making it useful only in large cities with direct line of sight to the cell tower.
From what I understand, you will not see much of a difference between LTE and 5G (in its current iteration) in non-crowded areas. Where 5G should make a difference is in very congested areas, like city centres or stadiums, where 5G performance degrades more slowly as the number of connected devices goes up. So think of 5G vs LTE as a ten-lane highway vs a straight two-lane road. If both are reasonably free of traffic, you can drive almost just as fast on either. If you add more traffic, the two-lane road will get much slower much quicker. Driving on the big highway costs more (assume it’s a toll road) - you use up more energy and the battery drains faster. What current smartphones do is employ a hybrid approach: use LTE if you are not in a crowded area, to save battery, and switch to 5G once performance starts to degrade on LTE (assuming you have 5G coverage). 5G is not about raw speed, it’s mostly about increasing network capacity as more and more devices are connected to the internet.
@@SSW2503 That makes sense, I do live in a fairly dense city, so that's probably why I see a small improvement in 5G.
And makes connecting printers to 5G networks such a hassle
My grandma upgraded from an iPhone 7 to the new SE earlier this year because the 7 was slowing down and she didn't want to give up the home button. I'm fairly convinced that the SE's market is for those who don't want to change or those who are too old to want to change, and I respect Apple doing that immensely. Because not everyone is like you and I, wanting the newest tech every single year, some would just rather it stay the way it is.
I like it because I don’t like the privacy invasion of facial recognition
@@user-vk2cd9qw7i you do realise that face id is stored locally in a secure enclave on the iphone itself, right? it doesn't even utilise the camera to recognise your face.
@@user-vk2cd9qw7ibut you want them to have access to your fingerprint? Face ID is just scanning the depth of your face you can cover the camera and it still works
I like it because of not wanting a large device, Touch ID, price, and having modern internals with the older, iconic design.
The release of the 12 mini is what finally led me to upgrade from my original SE. I was never really interested in the current iPhone 8 body and compared to family members' 12 and 12 Pro Max, I continue to be very happy with the form factor of the mini. My hope for the future of the SE lineup would be adopting that form factor in its next refresh, to align with the 13 mini no longer being available. I don't really have any interest if it sticks with this type of form factor, the convenience of Touch ID with masks notwithstanding.
Meanwhile, I'm considering if I want to upgrade to a 13 mini now to eke out another year or two of use in case they don't...
get the 13 mini, it is the last small iphone. this will last longer and is in general a better phone
From what I've seen, A52S, older model that released only in December is actually better than A53 as far as performance goes.
it is i have it and actually it dosent have the software problems with stuttering because its been out for longer than A53 and it has been optimized for longer
The SE exists to also fill the niche of "sleeper" phones: high performance in an unassuming package. With my SE (2016) my friends were always amazed that my "iPhone 5" was running iOS 15.
This phone sorta serves that same purpose: looks like an 8. Doesn't perform like an 8. It's for those who want the older style, but not the older performance.
I like to personally believe the SE on these phones now stands for "Sleeper Edition".
Still using my 1st gen iPhone SE as a car play phone, works well. Partner has a second gen SE that she likes (5g not available here) so don't really see the point apart from the ram bump
won't work well here I assure you it will lock you out because of over heating 💀
@Don't Read My Profile Photo get tf outta here bot
Still using the 1st gen SE as my daily driver. 🤘
I love my 2nd gen SE and I came from an Android flagship (Oneplus 6). That said, I hope that the extra gb of RAM helped it because I do run into apps closing fairly often on the 2020 model.
1GB more RAM is going to be virtually unnoticeable almost all of the time
One thing that should be mentioned is that the SE here in the USA is being sold at carries for $100 on a two year contract at around $25-40 a month. Which for somebody that just needs a reliable phone is very decent
Isn’t the iPhone SE going to get a more substantial upgrade next year? Plus there’s the whole EU USB-C mandate to consider, which could impact the aforementioned redesign.
I hope so. But the trend might be a new SE every two years. And yeah I'm VERY curious how the EU mandate will pan out.
I think this is a good point. This seems more like a transitionary device to whatever the next SE is. More akin from moving from a 6 to a 6s than a 6 to an 8 if that makes sense? It certainly doesn't appear that there was much in the way of forward thought here.
@@macaddress I would think that they switch to the iPhone x(e) body after all the iPhones come with the punch out camera. This year, only the pros have it. Next year, both of them might. The SE probably has to look like an "old" iPhone
I have no idea why they have to put 5G everywhere, not just apple. 4G is more than capable to reach 300mbps and more. 5G on budget/low mid-range phones should not exist.
Am I the only one who would prefer Apple to keep the lightning port on the iPhone? Under my experience, lightning ports are more durable than usb-c
Or people who want an easy one handed phone that isn’t rocking ancient hardware. Not every one wants a huge phone
I bought one of these (2nd Gen) because it does everything I need a phone to do and it doesn't cost $700+. I hate carrying around a huge phone and while the iPhone 13 mini is a perfect size I really don't see the justification in paying over $300 more for it. I guess I'm in that fringe group even though I'm not a teenager or a boomer. 🤷🏽♂️
Hope that old 2nd gen doesn’t have shitty battery life
@@scouttf2143 oh it's terrible alright. Much worse than the 7/8 Plus and 12 Mini.
@Lil Corby is it though, if Apple has already cut production?
It's us, the lovers of the vertical integration it has. But not a fan, just a smart buyer, who knows what we want and need.
2:29 iPhone SE has the iPhone 11 photo and the iPhone 11 has the iPhone SE photo
I have a 12 Mini with 128gb - and it was offered for $200 off a year ago. I love it and I would absolutely recommend it!
I really miss touch ID though. It just made so much sense.
It is the only thing i "miss" about the 12 mini - Touch ID. Else it's the perfect phone for me.
I upgraded from an iPhone 8 Plus (which had stopped connecting to 4G LTE) to the new iPhone SE. Truth be told, you pretty much nailed exactly why I chose it -- getting (almost) flagship performance, which is easily going to last several years, in a budget phone price class.
I'm a couple decades off from being a boomer, but the way I use my phone is pretty simple. I recognize the camera has shortcomings, but it's more than good enough for capturing moments and memories - I'm not a content creator and not trying to grow an Instagram following, so I see severe diminishing returns from the newer features and improved fidelity of more modern smartphone cameras. The screen sure is small, but I see diminishing returns there, too; I overwhelmingly use a computer or television to watch video content rather than my phone, and the 4.7" display is just fine for reading articles online, scrolling Twitter, chatting on Discord, and so on. It's good enough to read and respond to emails and Slack messages for work, too.
I also like Touch ID, but that wasn't a major consideration.
As you say, it may be that I represent a very small and shrinking population of mobile users, but I'm extremely happy with my purchase.
I just purchased a 3rd gen SE. Mainly for the small display size & preferring the old form factor with a home button. I'm personally not a fan of edge-to-edge displays, since not only is it hard (at least for me) to reach all edges of the display, it also makes it more of a challenge to have a firm grip on the phone without touching the screen.
My main reasons for going with the 3rd gen SE though, more or less, are:
1. Cheap accessories - Compatibile with almost all the old iPhone 6-8 accessories, which I have around, and for what I don't have I'm confident it'll fit anyway.
2. Expected to have 6 years of support - I'm coming from a 1st gen SE, it's 6 years old now & likely gonna have updates cut for it this year. I'd like to stick with only getting a new phone every 6 years, as I rarely have any major issues that warrant a new phone in the first place.
3. Hardware spec bump - Mostly just worried about having more storage, as 16gb is abysmal in today's times. But the bump in other specs will be nice.
4. It's also just one of the few new small smartphones out there - on top of that, one of the few new small smartphones that aren't trash. Like stated earlier, I'm coming from the 1st gen SE, and I'd like to stick with displays
I have a family member who has extremely limited eyesight and is very familiar with iOS at this point (having had an iPhone 6S previously). That family member needed a new phone a few months ago but also needed something bigger. We wound up getting a used iPhone 8 Plus because it had to have the home button (since said family member wouldn't be able to see well enough to use the gesture controls but can feel for the home button and because it's just so familiar). I wish Apple would release an SE in the body of the 8 Plus rather than the 8, because at this point I think more people would go for that.
To be honest, they should adopt the iPhone 12 mini for the SE. There might be some growing pains, but if they reduce the cameras and perhaps find a suitable replacement for the home button for the elderly (like how Android has a digital home button) i think it could really become a hit.
@@slickl9608 iOS has a digital home button. however, screen is flat- you don't know your touching it until you press it.
Bring back 3d touch and put a under screen fingerprint sensor and that might work. But for the elderly it's still hard to do, because it's still less tactile.
I love Mac Address videos. They're the only channel under the LMG umbrella that I have notifications turned on. It has everything to do with the structure. They're very well written. They have a level of quality comparable to MKBHD video and the products themselves from Apple.
I have a 13 pro, but sometimes I pop my SIM card back into second gen SE because of its simplicity and small form factor. Apple really nailed it with the SE and i hope it makes a return next year with a “new” old body.
Seeing that apple is discontinuing the mini of the iPhone and replaces it with a max version, could make you think the next iPhone see (4) could be in the chassis of the mini. If the idea is to prioritize the smaller form factor, than mini housing > xr housing. Keeping the button in the 4th generation of the SE could lead to almost bare minimum sales for apple.
If it is, I would absolutely buy it over then 15 or 16 whenever it comes out. The mini’s form factor is just so much better.
@@myrealusername2193 totally agree. Currently my daily is the second generation SE but the 13 feels more modern. But still it isn’t enough for me to spend twice the price if does almost the exact same job :)
That would be my next phone, definitely! The thing that keeps me from having iPhone mini is its exorbitant prices. Where I live, the iPhone SE price is the same as flagship from chinese brand such as xiaomi 12 and realme gt pro, whille still expensive, it is still reasonable than buying an iPhone 13, let alone a 13 pro which cost 4x the minimum salary per month in my country
@@istratidaniel4081 doesn't the se2 last like 4-5 hours tho?
@@wilsonakawislonly4868 depends of battery health and usage. In the city i always have mobile internet and bluetooth on. I gat a maximum of 3 hrs of active screen usage at 60% brightness at 87% battery health
This has made me conclude that I should upgrade from an iPhone 7 Plus to an 13 mini, and not an SE.
2:24 the names don’t match the picture for the iPhone 11 and the iPhone SE A13.
All the 3rd Gen SE needed was a 1080p screen.
They should remake the Iphone 5c series with modern design. Really fun budget phones lol
New designs cost a lot of money in research and development, that's why the SE has the iPhone 11's body or whatever
You guys could really clean up the charts a little. 5:46 it’s really hard to make any comparison unless you’re the comparing the sum of the scores. Why are the colours not in the same order for every phone? Why not just a 3 bar bar chart for every phone?
I miss the size of the first gen SE. With the removal of the iPod Touch, there’s no devices anyone can buy in that small form. There aren’t even Android devices that fill the niche. If Apple isn’t making the SE bigger, I hope they start making them smaller (however I do doubt that will happen).
They still sell the 12 and 13 mini, which are around the same physical size as the first gen SE but with a larger screen
An Android device that comes really, really close is Asus Zenfone 8. The price tag can be painful, but it has the 888 and is only within a centimeter(less than half an inch) wider and longer than the original SE, and even more similar in size as the mini flagships.
@@Pixdoet Very not true lol. I own a 12 mini and it is about the size of the second and third gen SE.
@@SyRose901 I’ll have to check it out, thanks for the recommendation!
@@bidoofis While I agree that the iPhone 12 & 13 mini are the same size as the iPhone 8/SE 2 & 3, the Asus Zenfone 8 is still bigger than the iPhone minis. Last I checked, the length for the iPhone 12 mini is 131.5 mm (vs 148 for the Zenfone) and width is 64.2 mm (vs 68.5mm for Zenfone).
Numbers for the new Zenfone 9 vs iPhone 13 mini might differ though.
Is it me or is this guy like Jeremy Clarkson or reviewing phones ? The camera pans , cuts it’s all so top gear and it’s just nostalgic lol
I had been viewing a lot of iPhone SE reviews because in helping a friend decide on an upgrade from her iPhone 6, I'd been comparing the SE and 13 mini based on price and size. But when we finally went to the store to buy - she ended up getting a 13 Pro! (We thought physical size and Touch ID would originally be the deciding factors, but as noted in the review it came down to screen quality and camera versatility; the telephoto lens ended up the tipping point.)
I think you might have mixed up the labels for the iPhone 11 and iPhone SE A13 at 2:24.
They just announced the Pixel 6a which will finally be a decent middle ground in this price range. It has the same Tensor chip from the regular 6 at $450
as an apple user, google does a great job at making middle range phones. wish samsung could do the same :/
@@AnythingFitz Yeah, Galaxy A series phones are trash
@@terribletimes902I appreciate the 120hz and alright cameras, but they do not do so good months after use. Bought my dad an A72; 2 months later he can't even get on an app and text.
S20/s21 fe 5g discounted is still the better buy today
@@abeldsouza1587 while true, some people have a stigma for wanting new phones not old or refurbished
I’m sticking with my iPhone SE 2nd generation until there’s another model with this form factor.
Small size, Home button, Touch ID and no notch or rounded corners!
It’s perfect, especially for someone like me who doesn’t have a real need for more than one rear camera.
I also appreciate having some space on either side of the display to grip while playing a landscape game or video.
That said, when there’s an iPhone mini with USB-C and ProMotion, I’ll consider moving away.
@@MonocleRB sadly both the things you mentioned aren't happening, this will probably be the last SE in this body and 13 mini was the last mini iphone.
I upgraded from the SE (2nd Gen) to the Mini 13 and it's such a great phone. At first I wasn't sure if I liked it better because you are giving up Touch ID and I found that the bezels on the SE made using the phone in landscape mode more ergonomic. But aside from that, the Mini 13's form factor is more pocketable, easier to use with one hand, and has hardware upgrades across the board. It's not just the A15 or camera (which impressed me more than I thought it would) but also the many small things not all reviewers talk about that sets this phone apart from the much older SE design. The SE is fine, but if you are a serious user or tech enthusiast it will likely leave some to be desired and what I thought would be a phone I'd be using for years to come barely took me 2 years to replace with the Mini 13 as my daily driver. (I still however use the SE as a backup phone and for gaming sometimes because of the aforementioned better ergonomics in landscape orientation)
The screen on the SE alone would be a deal breaker. It's still the same as on the 8, so for today's standards it falls behind the competition, even cheaper Android phones
@@TRRDroid Honestly I’m not sure if I really buy the use of OLED screens. I found the SE’s screen to be slightly more natural in terms of colors (but that could just be a matter of calibration). There seems to be a trend of screens with oversaturated colors these days.
I have to admit though the Mini 13’s screen does look good and “natural” colors aside, the contrast ratio is unmatched in comparison obviously. The screen is also taller, has higher res and pixel density and a much better response time. So despite both running at 60hz the Mini 13’s animations are still much smoother than that of the SE. So in that sense, I can see how the SE’s screen looks severely outdated.
Edit: another observation worth mentioning is that the 13 Mini’s screen seems much less prone to micro-scratches, perhaps due to the “ceramic shield” application.
@@Jun-mimimouto OLED screens just generally look more smooth as LCDs often suffer from ghosting. Yeah the saturation is higher on OLEDs, though it became more natural within recent years, earlier Samsung phones had horrendously over saturated screens. The better scratch resistance just comes from higher quality glass though the term Ceramic Shield is a lie since it barely contains any ceramic and doesn't offer any additional scratch resistance compared to regular glass. Actual ceramic displays have a much higher scratch resistance than any glass but are also a lot more expensive, which is why only few phones had actual ceramic displays
@@TRRDroid Thank you for sharing your experiences~ I am curious however, what phones or where have you seen phones with actual ceramic displays? A quick google search doesn’t bring up much relevant and actually suggests ceramics in the traditional sense are opaque or less transparent, which would make them unsuitable as a screen. The “Ceramic Shield” on the other hand they say is more of a hybrid glass/ceramic display.
@@Jun-mimimouto Well Ceramic Shield does have a very small amount of ceramic in it. JerryRigEverything tested it and also had multiple devices with actual ceramic screens
I rocked an original iPhone SE for almost 5 years until I picked up an iPhone 12 in January. Thought I would miss Touch ID, I don't. Thought the larger phone would be more cumbersome, it isn't. MagSafe, fast charging, better camera, more storage, faster processing, I've been very happy with my purchase. I can't imagine what it would take to get me to spend hundreds of more dollars for the next 5 years at least.
I really like Jonathan’s delivery in these videos and I love his occasional pop up in a short circuit video
Next iphone SE will probably be in iphone 13 mini body, and will sell very well, as it will be the only small phone option
The SE3 is my first iPhone. I have found it to be very good for my needs. I do not do extensive photography so there is little need for "night mode" although it is surprising it is not there considering they added a new processor chip, increased RAM and new imaging software. I would have also liked for it to start at 128gig storage instead of 64gig. Also when I compared the retina display to some of the OLED phones the LCD retina display was easily comparable and very good in image quality. When I did a video at a sporting event the video and sound turned out really nice. The 5G seems to work fine and so does Siri. Having said all of that, since I have had such a pleasant introduction to the iPhone with the SE3, I think my next phone will be a more "enhanced" iPhone with all the bells and whistles.
Love how Jonathan matched his hoodie to the iPhone SE he's talking about.
I actually upgraded to this from an 2nd generation iPhone SE because I love the form factor, touch ID and expect this to be the last one. It's still a well rounded basic phone that should last me for many years.
Was using the 6S before getting the SE3, as updates stopped the phone from some app updates and installation.
Over that year so far and it has been great.
Nice one! Thanks! 💜
08:10 A reason not to get iPhone mini might be the much higher screen replacement costs: $230 vs $130 for the SE.
As an original SE owner, I picked up the refresh in 2020 and wasn’t a fan, ended up putting my sim back into the old SE. Then I picked up the 12 mini and have been enjoying it ever since.
Honestly if Apple released a 5s body SE today with a modern home button, updated display(sameish size as before)and an assortment of obvious updates like camera etc, I’d be sold and pick it right up. I don’t need a fancy camera array, just something nice enough to shoot a pic here and there. I don’t need a huge display as I use my iPad mini when enjoying content and games or scrolling the internet. I like having the headphone jack as I’ve been reluctant to put a different radio in my truck with Bluetooth. Wireless/MagSafe charging would be nice.
The mini in all practical sense is the real progression from the original SE/5s design, but it does have that ever so slight increase in size and the full surface display does at times make things awkward with the smaller size. It’s odd to say, but somehow having a bigger screen on a smaller device is clunkier.
At one time, the SE made a lot of sense. Last years tech in an old body for half the price. A great deal for someone who doesn’t care for the bleeding edge.
The issue comes when Apple stalls development of the device. The SE SHOULD be a refined version of the iPhone from three years ago. It was that at one time, then they stopped updating it.
Haha when he mentioned FaceID being useless during the pandemic. Me laughing with my Note9 and IRIS scanner AND touch ID.
I honestly thought the SE line would be killed off since the iphone mini became a thing. I really don't think 5G and the A15 were even worth refreshing the SE model for. As long as apple chose to continue supporting it, the 2nd gen SE would have been fine to continue selling for another year.
Exept the battery in the se2 is just a complete deal breaker
20ish year old person here the 2nd gen se has been my main phone for 2 years now, and I love the format and smaller size can’t see to like the home button/Touch ID less phones and I’m considering getting the 3rd gen to double my storage and keep the form factor for longer
I’ve been using se 2nd gen for 2 years now. It’s my first iPhone and I love it! Yep, the battery is a trash but performance is really good! I don’t take a lot of photos, but camera is ok for my daily usage and taking some pics for insta. The main issue with camera is artificial blurring( sometimes it behaves strangely). My group mate has the same phone and she is happy with it too. I’d say it is a good variant when your main goal is longevity.
Lets hope it's not like pervious SEs, because if the finger-print stops working after a drop you might as well toss it in a bin. Basically the traces imbedded in the PCB layers are so fragile that they can break after a fall. And to repair it, you have to dig a hole through the top PCB layer to connect a wire to the trace and run that wire over the CPU to the trace's other end.
Passing by as one of the Touch ID nuggets... I just love the fingerprint unlock and a standard interface design (means without the notch). Still using my iPhone 8 and SE is the best option I have if it ever breaks down. I am considering iPhone 14 to be my future travel camera, but I have no plan to move away from a Touch ID device as my main phone.
If you really like iPhones but do not like the notch/design, maybe get an Android device of your choice and flash it with a custom ROM, or even program one for your needs if you want to.
Ah yes, I program ROMs everyday when I get home. Very easy.
@@pakane24 Depends on the person. Find a custom one if you don't want to do it yourself.
Have you ever even tried face id?
@@Progan666 Yes, have used iPhone 12 Pro Max for a week.
Wait, not to be that guy (I’m sorry) but the graph for the geekbench scores seem to be swapped for the 2nd gen iPhone SE and the iPhone 11? I don’t know if it’s the named that’s just swapped or the picture but the picture and name don’t match up.
I love my SE 3, lots of power due to the A15, battery life is really good (for its size anyway, lasts me 6+ hours screen on time), the screen size is good enough for me, and most importantly, many years of support, fine with the camera too, think its quite a nice deal.
The battery length for it sucks, but it's not like they can put a bigger battery in it. Also, 14h of average person use is still great.
Also, tiny battery+20 watt fast charging=I can charge my device fully in a half hour. Even on a cheap wireless charger, it's maybe an hour to charge fully.
*14h if not on in all the time.
It doesnt work well? My Samsung face recognition needs a sec and Im in.
I still keep my 6s around, because of the headphone jack, even though I have AirPods Pro. The reliability of a cable is still much better than the convenience of wireless imo. That said, the phone I use is a 11 Pro and I don't want to switch to the new design, even though I think it looks really great. The feel of the 11 Pro is just much better imo
I miss headphone jack
I have a friend with a 6S who refuses to upgrade to a modern iPhone because he thinks wired earphones pack a lot more bass than Beats or AirPods
@@safiullahqureshi3196 Maybe an adapter or some wireless headphones he'd like? (On a family member's account)
I keep my iPhone 5c around for the headphone jack and the last version of the podcast app that had the playlist feature.
I personally got the Google Pixel 6, however, before that, I was deciding between the Pixel 5a 5g, the Pixel 6, and the Pixel 6 Pro. The features for the 6 Series just seemed to outweigh things like having a headphone jack. I will say, every time I am reminded of it, I do wish this phone has a headphone jack
Really underrating having a button honestly. Other than TouchID, the home button can clear persistent notifications (home bar can’t), which is pretty nice when you’re in the middle of work and a calendar notification comes up
Plus, having empty space to rest your fingers helps cut down on errors and makes pulling it out of the pockets better
I’d really like to have a home button with the newer iPhone features
When I wanted to test how an iPhone feels last year (I use Macs, might as well try an iPhone) I went with the SE not because of the price but because it's small and has Touch ID. The size is a bonus, but the fingerprint sensor is an absolute must. Nothing else matters and to me the SE is still incomparably better than any other current iPhones because of it. I ended up strongly disliking iOS and moved back to Android, but the size, and the speed and efficiency of Touch ID are the two things I miss. (Yea, other Android phones have fast fingerprint readers, but usually in-screen, so you first have to light up the screen and then use the fingerprint reader. That's slower than combining the two actions by just pressing the Touch ID)
You dont use android dude. You dont need to turn on the screen at all. Once you develop muscle memory on the fingerprint position its just a matter of touching the correct position
@@mehshutup3041 I do use android and have been using it since Froyo in 2010. And none of the ones with fingerprint readers (OnePlus 8, Pixel 6) allowed you to use the fingerprint reader without the screen being lit up.
In 2021 I bought a 3 model old S10+ 512GB 4G phone for $350 and it is the best phone that I have ever had and it is now 4.5 years old and I could keep it for years to come
have been using the original se since launch and, tbh even after all this time i really don't feel for an upgrade because it does all the things a phone needs to do like a charm!
yeah the screen is small, the battery life ain't great and etc etc but for me it is a decent everyday performer!
and also being a little biased towards the design of this and the whole value aspect of this phone for which i actually bought it i don't think im upgrading to any phone as of now.
though it depends on the 14 lineup if there's a 14 mini i might be intrigued to check it out otherwise i think i'll still use it for a year or two and then get the last mini iphone i could get.
There won't be any mini iPhone after the 13 so no, you'll not be able to get the 14 mini or 15 mini
Me too! I keep considering an upgrade but it’s working fine, and I got a headphone jack :) I went to a repair store and got a new battery instead.
@@estycki same here i didn't get my battery replaced cause of the huge premium you have to pay for anything apple in india but, my biggest trade off with the modern phones is still the headphone jack:/
i mean there are soo many instances you just need to have one and bluetooth devices aren't just upto the mark even if they are airpods or sony's or something.
@@charleydumas5514 that's sad :(
will have to get the 13 mini then..
need to start saving up hahah😄
@@sraycxviii I have so many problems with bluetooth... and why does EVERYTHING need a battery now? I have earphones for 10 years that work great, I bet once airpod batteries are no good anymore, they're just garbage.
Everyone forgets that those extra features don’t change the actual experience in apps at all. The screen looks super great to me, I like the small size as it makes for a simple device with a sharp yet low res display for more headroom. I had a pixel 6, and I miss nothing.
I’m 17, and I know others my age with an SE who like it. People compliment mine. It’s not ancient or dated it’s just a solid phone.
I love all your videos and what a beautiful town! I must visit Fort Langley, BC now 😍 Hiiiiiii from Quebec 👋
1:50 It's not only about more data speed, but also bandwith in general. 5g towers are able to connect more clients without loosing bandwith so you will see high speeds even on high congested areas/times...
I waited months for the SE announcement. When it was finally announced, I was rather underwhelming. No magsafe, no wide angle camera, no oled screen. When I realized how similar the iphone 12 was to the 13, I bought that instead. Used 12mini 128gb: just under 400 USD after tax and shipping. I've had it for a month, zero regrets.
I don’t want an already used phone so I will be getting a red SE to replace my current 2 year old white one
I just replaced my mom's 1st gen iPhone SE with an Apple refurbished iPhone 8 Plus: bigger screen, new battery, newer processor, and still has Touch ID. Apple would print money if they just made a big screen SE and kept the camera updated instead of going parts bin again and again.
I always get so excited to get notifications from this channel :)
@Don't Read My Profile Photo okay I won’t
Same here. I always expect great quality from Mac Address tbh
My dad and I were both on iPhone 7s and upgraded our phones this year. My dad got the SE3, I got a 13, and I feel so guilty with how much better the 13 is. It's not even close, and while a lot of the differences go over his head the screen size is obvious and something he would have greatly benefited from. He's still not outright said a single word to indicate his unhappiness with the phone, though, even though I know it didn't thrill him the way it should have. I don't deserve such a good dad.
Biggest mistake was to remove the headphones jack, for me at least.
Yeah, I will never stop being salty about it. I own a qudelix 5k which is an awesome solution, but nothing better than native ability to drive studio quality headphones and have Bluetooth.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 People who don't like wireless audio would buy an SE despite all the flaws. I don't need more batteries in my life, this planet either. I hate "disposable" devices. Audio quality is an important factor too of course and convenience.
My Dad doesn't care much for technology and just wants something with a home button that just works and for a friendly price so the SE is perfect for him, it's also the same as his previous iPhone 8 so he doesn't need to learn anything new but he has the latest internals so his phone will be fine for the next 3-4 years.
Honestly they upgraded the right thing imo, better battery and performance so it lasts longer, people who buy this generally dont care for anything else
I’m writing this comment on my 2022 iPhone SE that I have had for almost a year now. I’m 25 so not in either demographic you predicted would want this phone, but I personally love it. I got it for $30 from my carrier, so price wise it was a very good deal. I also really like the size of it because I have small hands and it’s a lot more comfortable to use. Finally, I find that the home button makes it a bit quicker and more fluid to navigate between open apps, compared to swiping gestures.
As an Android user that's never interacted with an Apple device for more than a few minutes, I do admire the iPhone 5 series bodies, and think the 6 body here is pleasant and minimal, as well. I've considered trying the SE series before for the hardware design alone, though my aversion to switching to an entirely new ecosystem and zeitgeist is what has kept me away.
Dunno who the DirPho is on this channel, but keep it up. It still feels like an LMG channel, with the no-fucks-given, brutally-honest critiques, but at the same time, having that tone that reflects the type of people that you imagine your average Apple person to enjoy.
And that wide shot at the station? Someone’s been watching old Top Gear.
Fun fact I have been driving the og SE for 4 years now. Battery is my only issue apart from that no complains.
It would be cool to see an iPhone SE with an iPhone XR body, iPad Air 4 TouchID power button (with no FaceID), the latest processor, MagSafe, and at least a 1080p screen.
At 2:30 iPhone SE and 11 is switched. Is no one seeing that?
The graph at 2:30, the last two icons are incorrect. The 11 and the SE phone models are swapped.
TouchID for life. I upgraded from my 7 to a refurb 2nd gen SE in Oct 21. Would have bought new, but at the time, apple wasn't selling those with 256Gb, and I wanted increased storage. Nothing compelling about the 3rd gen to warrant an upgrade from the 2nd gen.
When talks about the Iphone SE 2022 was coming up. I told myself "If apple is reusing older chasis of their phones the 2022 models has to use the body from the Iphone X family right?". I almost convinced myself that was going to be the case. Im a android user currently but i wanted to test out an Iphone and see how that fares for me. It was a bummer seeing they still stuck with the Iphone 8 body. Like you said though, there are great iphone deals out there.
Things change if you get the A52s 5G into picture: that phone has a faster chipset (778G 5G) while maintaining virtually all the features of the newer A53 and, at the same time, it is often cheaper!
2:30 Just a note that the images of the iPhone SE 2020 and iPhone 11 are swapped.
I just bought one of these for my wife. She has an 8 that's on its last legs and I gave her the choice of this or the 13 and she chose the SE because it's what she knows and has used for so many years.
2:30 iPhone 11 and SE A13 is all messed up
Wait till it sees the pixel 6a
I really appreciate that you don't ignore devices outside of the Apple ecosystem like other Apple youtubers, and even compare them with candid honesty. I absolutely loathe Apple, but I love this channel. You're a great host
I love that you released this video literally as google is announcing the 6a. Follow up vid?
Speaking as a boomer in training, I like the SE (1) form factor because it fits easily in one hand (and my pocket) and the home button gets me to square one without thinking (esp when I'm just waking up). I never liked anything past the 6 because it's just too big for a phone and yet still too small to be a reader. I'd use an iPad or MacBook if I cared about that. I'd buy an SE 1 again if it had 128 memory. I am tolerating my 13 mini until Apple realizes again that phones are supposed to be small and actually portable.
It will never be a true iPhone if it doesn’t have the home button. And yes, this is my current dream phone.
2:24 did anybody notice that the pictures for the iPhone 11 and se 2 were switched?
I just fairly recently switched from the 2020 iPhone SE to the 2022 version. My main reason for switching was because my 2020 could not hold a decent battery charge, and the lightning port was finicky and didn’t always register a solid connection. I did consider the iPhone 13 mini, but ultimately decided on the updated SE for 3 reasons: 1) It saved me from having to buy new peripherals; 2) I still wanted a physical home button with Touch ID; and 3) the cost. I’ve prided myself for being an Apple user since 2002 and never having paid full retail price for any Apple product. The 3rd generation SE was no exception. This came from carefully stalking eBay listings for quite some time. In the end, I got a tremendous deal in buying a virtually brand new SE (still with 100% battery capacity, and AppleCare + eligibility) for only $230. Granted, this came through a tremendous amount of patience. And yes, I am likely an older member of the Apple demographic, being a GenXer.
My wife still holds onto her 1st generation SE, like you do, for one simple reason: all bigger phones (i.e., EVERY smartphone currently on the market) will not fit into her pants pockets, or as she calls it, the curse of a mostly male design/production staff NOT considering the needs of women
It's the perfect phone for my completely blind grandfather who uses voice over with screen curtain.
Still has the tactility of the fake button, he would never want to use gestures. And has a decent battery and the most reliable performance being how new it is. Doesn't need any bells and whistles.
His iPhone 6 recently started playing up and prompted the upgrade.
I’ve came from an iPhone 6s two years ago to second gen SE. The main draw for me, is that it is a small form factor, relatively cheap phone that I DIDNT have to do research on to make sure it wasn’t a POS like I would have had to do for androids in this price range.
My biggest gripe is the look of the device, screen layout is positively ancient.
Some people still like the touch ID function
0:58 the only real way to tell the difference of an iPhone SE to an iPhone 8 is the apple logo on the iPhone 8 is raised higher then on the iPhone SE where it’s more in the middle.
I had to finally upgrade my iPhone 7. I walked into my nearest iStore (Premium Reseller, since South Africa doesn’t have Apple stores or online Apple store, but it’s basically the same with the stores even being similar) and I had the choice of an iPhone SE 3 or an iPhone 11 in my price range, they were priced exactly the same. Apple must be crazy if they think I’m going to buy an iPhone SE over an iPhone 11.
I love the cinematography of these videos, looks like they think about every color, because those red hoodies with the red iPhone SE catch so much attention and brighten the video, this is what you get watching their videos: high-quality content!
Not a very popular phone today, but I think the ZTE Axon 30 is a great alternative for the problems the SE has. A huge 6.9" screen (and the UDC), and the Snaodragon 870 should make for a great package.
For me, my new iPhone SE 2022 was an upgrade from my iPhone SE First gen. Agree that the target for the model is pretty slim. But I guess I'm quite lucky for that. I prefer a smaller screen and just basic camera operations. Nothing too fancy, yet. I hope it lasts long until the next SE or SE equivalent.
android alternatives? Bigger screen? Where the hell are you going? The small form factor was the reason why it was produced in the first!
I agree that it’s a shame they didn’t update the form factor. However, I think Apple’s approach of limiting features but having a fast SoC is better than what the competing phones do. I know so many people who bought budget Android phones thinking they got a great deal because of the list of features. After 1-2 years of use, most found them so slow they need to upgrade. The iPhone SE will run well for years.
If I ever bought an iPhone, it would be any model *with* bezels. I always liked the æstethic of the center button and capacitive sensors are, to me, still better than face recognition. Plus, the "ancient" stuff usually appeals to me, so I'd love to use an ancient form factor just because it's called ancient (even tho it's literally just from 5 years ago or so)
I have an 8+, and not planning to replace it any time soon.
Apple Pay is super-convenient on it, rest my thumb on the home button, hold the phone over the card reader, and it charges my default card for my purchase. It is as easy as using a physical card, but without the contactless transaction limit.