@@crimsonninja4097It depends on when it happens. If Gohan and Krillin attacked Frieza and his men the first time they saw them (Solar Flare and killed Frieza first along with his two henchmen with a Destructo Disk right before Dodoria was going to kill Dende), they would have all died for sure. At that point Frieza had no idea they even existed, let alone what they could do. And they would have been so off guard by the Solar Flare and shocked by what was even happening, that they'd all be dead while still trying to process what the heck is going on. They really could have saved the day on their own right there if Krillin chose to do that. I mean sure Vegeta is on the planet, but he would die to Nail with ease without the boost he got from Zarbon to get him in the Ginyu Force range, so he too would die. It is a negative outcome though since no Super Saiyan, meaning they're all dead to the androids.
@@QaamansLand but yeah it’s great seeing you still sticking around after all these years. The dragon ball UA-cam community has changed a lot from 2013 to now
Very good video. And you already hooked me in with the fact of Gohan already getting 1000 times stronger with his rage boost against Raditz. That’s just insane.
Kid/pre-teen Gohan literally was the goat back in the day. Also Qaaman. Love the new editing you have on your videos. Your editors definitely deserve all their hard work.
Something I talked about with Mike a bit is the idea that power is adaptive in the series. All head Canon to explain the way the show is written of course. But saiyans and to a lesser extent everyone else seem to get around as strong as the strongest power they've experienced up to that point, maybe due to their transformative abilities. Sort of as though the character is seeing how their ki behaves and then trying to replicate it. In this case, Gohan has the potential and physiology to play catch up to Recoome or Vegeta or Freiza as he experiences their power. Prior saiyans never fought someone beyond a PL range in the thousands. Once Freiza showed them what they could do without killing them, zenkais let them duplicate that ki rapidly. All head canoning of course.
That sort of makes sense with Cell too. Like he doesn't just replicate the DNA of the heroes, but their Ki too. Maybe that's kind of why Kami senses such a large disturbance due to Cell, he's an unnatural combination of so many different kinds of ki
Keep in mind that concentrated Ki attacks falsely boost power level readings. When Vegeta scanned Gohan during the masenko charge up what he was scanning was the power of the attack not Gohans fighting power per se.
@@QaamansLand I am an old youtube guy and I am probably close to your age (27) So I think it goes to show how the platform aged. I can see two classic I guess formulae used here. 1. There isn't an overuse of jumpcuts, overlays and other visual effects to make it seem cluttered (or sometimes pop, I am sure if you watch Carthu's Dojo, you can know that it is not how you lay out everything in the video, but how to make it cut through seemlessly.) 2. It feels a bit more grounded. Nowadays, we talk about Super and Gohan Beast, and Orange Piccolo. Now, I have warmed up to Super of the years, especially after Toriyama's passing and I can appreciate toyataro's creativity in ways toriyama simply would have never. I think what matters here is that, my thesis is "Gohan being over hundreds of times stronger in Namek saga makes perfect sense in past and preent context, and we should talk about how this impacts his character/development" Anyway, wish you the best! This took a while because I had to kind of think what made it different. I still watch new and old channels for Dragon Ball, so it is not a 'I think this is better' thing.I think it is just 'more simple and nostalgic' kind of thing.
I have a huge question, when they heard that they would all die from the Androids in 3 years, why did they not gather and use the DragonBalls those three times. Once each year. Three wishes For the first wish, they just had to make Piccolo immortal. Then the DragonBalls would never disappear because Piccolo can't die Second wish, they could have found the location of Dr Gero lab. Even if they didn't defeat him early they could have still used the knowledge of where it was located Third wish, they could have done something crazy like wish to have Gohans powers awoken, or to Goku be immune to the Heart Virus
First, Piccolo already had a similar wish granted to him, eternal youth, i guess the dragon can't grant him another wish similar to that. Yes is suck, he will never age but he can die. (Piccolo Daimaku got this wish granted to him in the OG dragon ball, Piccolo junior is his reincarnation so most likely he got this wish transfer to him, as we all know Piccolo is both a reincarnation and a offspring of Piccolo Daimaku) Second, Goku and Vegeta made it clear to Bulma to not interfere with Dr. Geros plans because they wanted to fight this androids. Yes they have the warmongers sayan genes after all. Third wish, there things Shen Long can't do, i guess those two are good examples, either because someone else already did that with Gohan, Guru did it, and the second have not manifest and is an unknown "virus" to him so he can't stop what he can't know. Unless they use the dragonballs when the symptoms manifest? but i believe this was not a disease, let make it clear, Goku was a low class warrior, but his sheer effort got him where he at, however his body is weak, maybe this was not a virus but a cardiac condition he develop for his harsh training and so a natural cause of death in which case Shen long can't interfere. Shen long can't revive someone who die of natural causes. Maybe that medicine Bulma did where nano bots who repair the damage in his coronary arteries or his heart to make them stronger and not an "antidote" for a virus? Darn, so many questions...
They're dumb, that's why. Making Piccolo immortal is literally the smartest thing they could have done between Raditz and the Cell Games when he fused with Kami. But the Saiyans wanted to fight no matter what. The second wish would have made sure they reached the lab before Gero but again, dumb. The third wish they didn't know could be done tbh.
Interesting idea but it seems there is something more unique about Gohan other than being half saiyan. Both Trunks and Goten (and ig Pan but we haven’t seen enough of her yet) are half saiyans but their powers are not nearly as based on their emotions as Gohan. I guess Future Trunks does have that ssj Rage in the Goku Black arc (I think it was anime only though) but I wouldn’t really count that bc it was a 1 time thing
@@newhybrid101 yeah but tbf the method of accessing the super saiyan transformation was already known once Goten was born and began training, Goku had no idea he could do that until the Namek Saga
Imagine Broly and cheelai's son, he'd make Gohan look like the worthless tantrum child he really is cuz Broly is what the genetically perfect truly and their children would make everyone look like nothing
Let’s also not forget how kid gohan from the frieza arc went from being above vegeta at that point to being beyond mecha frieza in 3 years and in his base form
8:54- to lampshade how absurd it is, he goes from barely holding against the subordinates of the essentially 2nd in command who is not close to making his boss in his weakest form that no one aside from very rare cases can make go seriously- being a sort of untouchable behemoth to briefly trouncing this behemoth’s even stronger form that was seen as ridiculous as he was already powerful. A short while later, he manages to nearly pummel an even stronger form into the ocean, causing Freeza to be worried enough to go into his final form, something even more unheard of compared to his 3rd which was something no one could do- just to even the odds
When Goku Black arrived in the current timeline, did it create a new timeline where Goku Black never arrived. Similarly when Cell time traveled from the future to the present to find the Androids, he created a new timeline where Cell never existed which we know as the Original Timeline.
One moment that really made me LOVE Gohan was when he saved Piccolo from Gero…that moment was so tense, like will he get there in time, even if he does will he have the courage to save Piccolo…. And the answer was Yes….that boy was ready to BOX Gero and Piccolo like nah I got it😭 Gohan stalling with Frieza is cool but all he did was run and it was brave but really didn’t stamp anything…when I seen Gohan pull some PICCOLO shit to save PICCOLO😂 that’s when I knew
yeah thats what makes the cell fight so dog shit. he was willing to constantly fight people multiple times more [powerful then himself. then when he had to fight cell all of a sudden saving people and this i hate fighting excuses started. yeah he may never of liked fighting but he was always ready to do it because it was the right thing to do until cell where he let his friends and father b tortured by the cell jrs and let 16 die to learn a lesson he already spent the last 5 years putting into practice against a guy who he is 80 percent as strong as. fucking terrible
Actually I believe this 100% after rewatching the saiyan saga and the namek saga. Gohan literally didn’t “do” anything to increase his power significantly since the time he trained with piccolo in anticipation of the saiyans arriving. All he did was image train with Krillin a lil bit, get his neck broken by Recoome and get pissed off and then woooosh.
Honestly, if Gohan proportionally experienced the same power increase he did against Radditz . . . DBZ might have ended a lot faster lol. Imagine that 981 x 1307 against Nappa. Or later that 14,000 x 1,307? A 1300+ power multiplier is over 3x the SSJ3 multiplier.
People also underestimate that he became mentally stronger as well...he saw the saiyans on earth and he was told what would happen if they were to fail against them but he still didnt properly understand it but gohan saw that exact situation on namek he saw death and destruction he saw what would have happened if they hadnt defeated the saiyans on earth a group of people going around killing innocent people to find the dragonballs. Namek was were gohan finally understood what piccollo was trying to tell him all this time.
very nice video, thanks! wish there was an official statement of all this, specially the rage boost, which i think is a thing inherit by the Ox family, the reason Chichi was adamant in makeing Gohan her first born child a good kid so he didn't turn into a "rebel" as she knows the Ox family "curse". Also as i see it, Gohan got his power unlocked by Guru but also officially 2 Sekais, both in Namek, first one, when he fight Rikum and got a senzu and later when he fight Frieza in his second form and restore by Dende. I don't think got any when he fight Napa and when he fight Vegeta as he was not near dead, in the first one Goku arrive in time and in the second he was just extremely tired because the long battle. But maybe he got one? IDK... Actually the rule is, you cant revive the same person with the earth dragn balls. not the same wish. Bulma always ask the dragon to reduce her age a couple of years so to look young but not too young to be expose as she have done plastic surgery or something like that.
This Gohan is why I can't understand Gohan's soft scripted character. Dude is a soldier. He lost a lot of friends in the Saiyan saga, including the dinosaur and robot during Piccolo's training.
The explosivity and constant exponential growth of Gohan's power was one of the 'always just out of focus' elements that were built beautifully to him being the one to defeat Cell. I actually feel like we never really saw how powerful 'Perfect' SSJ Gohan was, while he powered up enough to peak Cell's interest (which'd definitely say he was generating more power than Goku) he's clearly not actually that invested in the fight and when Cell's trying to provoke him there's a moment when he 'snaps', not in the usual explosive Gohan manner just more a "that hurt!" kinda thing, and a single blow from him is enough to drop Cell and keep him down for a moment. Okay, sure Cell's not using his full power at that time but it's more from a single physical hit than Goku managed without a massive Ki blast.
It doesn't matter anymore because apparently Goku post SSG or SSGSS iirc, without a few months of training - a bullet can inflict a type of damage to Goku suppressed. When that doesn't normally happens.
Given how closely associated with anger Gohan's power is I'm surprised it took them so long to make the connection with Broly. I always thought it would be an interesting idea for Gohan to have a similar mutation to Broly on his Saiyan side with his human side having a dampening affect on how out of control he gets. Since Broly isn't a villain like he used to be it would be kind of cool to see them team up on something. Maybe going after Black Freeza.
The whole Namek era takes place over like 6 or 7 weeks. 1 month for Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma to get there. Then they call for Goku’s help right away I’m pretty sure. Then it takes Goku like 6 days to get there. And everything from Goku arriving on Namek, to Namek exploding, all happens in the same day, over like a 4 or 5 hour period. Maybe even more crazy is how Goku trained his whole life for 24 years for a power level of 400, to then go to a power level of 150,000,000, or 3 million base power within just a little over a year. Lmao
Factsss krillin did too, krillin was getting zenkais in frieza arc too (toriyama said forgot sayian exclusive during the times but still counts)⚡️ even vegeta mentioned it to frieza first form and also mentioned it when mrillin and gohan faught guildo
All three of the saiyans went from the ten thousands to the millions within a few zenkai’s. Goku much more than gohan or vegeta since he was abusing them on the way to namek. Gohan had a total of 3 zenkai’s on namek and I do believe by the end of the arc he’s at bare minimum 1 million. And vegeta somewhere around 2 million. Possibly more after being revived.
He went from about 1.5k to about 25k with fluctuations during his rage boosts against Frieza. Gohan with raditz did the same thing remember? Went from basically a non measurable powerlevel to 1,300. Not a surprise. Frankly the only weird thing is that his rage didn't do anything against the Ginyu Force.
When Gohan fired a Masenko Ha against third form Frieza he should have had help from Vegeta and Krilín. Together they'd have been able to do some damage. Maybe Frieza would have taken more time to gather himself before he decided to transform and
Power scaling couldnt even explain what kind of a boost Gohans rage gave him. It cant be measured the way Kaioken or Super Saiyan are measured as base multipliers. But somehow it briefly made him extremely powerful...powerful enough that he literally was able to throw hands with each transformation of Frieza.
@10:28 when you said final form frieza can regen his tail. Idk why, but I remember there were some shots of frieza with his tail chopped off when fighting against Ssj Goku. Lol.
Maybe the guru potential thing was interfering with the supposed zenkai boost gohan was suppose to get and then when it was complete all the zenkais caught up while the rage boost was happening
power comes from a need. growth is greater vs stronger opponents as well as the capacity and potential of a sayain. its evolution on steroids, evolving and adapting to overcome threats in real time. zenkai is likely influenced by how much power they needed to overcome the level of power that put the sayain in a near death state
I wasn’t surprised by that. I’d imagine he was close to 10K before even arriving on Namek from his Zenkai boosts after Nappa and Vegeta beat the crap out of them. (Remember, no Senzu beans from the second one means a longer healing process and a great time for the Zenkai for work) Then, the power up from Guru before nearly dying at Recoome, then Senzu Bean. Later, Frieza laid the hurt on him before Dende healed him. Yeah, 1000 times is very easy to imagine. Low balling it at 1000… also within the realm of possibility.
Most fans forget that Gohan is a saiyan and can get a zenkai boost! On top of this, rage emotions affect his power. Zenkai boost affected his power from 20,000 to 200,000. With rage, it was 1,000,000. Then double rage, 2,000,000.
In the low millions tho?! I guess you could count that last fight since Kai had left it in. Still it made it seem like he was stronger than Goku was before SS, and that was that much stronger than Vegeta (who was still able to trash Gohan in a later filler scene). It's like the anime staff just didn't care lol
This might be a minor gripe, but I don't know why people keep calling him farmer with a shotgun. He has a rifle. Raditz even caught the bullet, showing that it was indeed a rifle.
I think that since Gohan is half saiyan, half human. Gohan's rage fits are boosted by adrenaline in those intense fights. I don't know maybe adrenaline could play a factor in toughness, tolerance and force, sometimes speed.
I think that says it all Vegeta himself, before arriving on Earth, told Nappa that Metis Sayens would be uncontrollable and would far surpass pure Sayens. and despite this knowledge, vegeta has always been shocked by gohan, whether when he arrived on earth, on namek, facing cell, and he would surely have been shocked if he had witnessed gohan ultimate facing super buu ( even goku was shocked ) All this to say that even vegeta, who had warned that Metis Sayens were far too dangerous, a mixing saiyan and earthling blood like gohan has always far surpassed anything he could have imagined.
Gohan went from having 1,500 power output at the start of Namek all the way up to 1,500,000 power output when fighting Frieza. Although he may have been incredibly powerful to begin with, but his power just fluctuates due to his emotions.
I almost forgot that Krillins Kienzan cutted Freeza. Even though he was like 100x stronger than Freeza at point. I think that Krillin created one of the most op techniques on DBZ. Or maybe it was just that low guard thing like Whis told.
The leaps in power Gohan had during the Namek saga is something Kid Vegeta wishes he had during his time from kid to adult. Speaking of Vegeta, you have no one to blame but yourself, punching poor Gohan in the stomach like he's a goddamn pinata made him strong 😂
How am I changing it? The reason it slightly changes is because I record Post-Edit in a different mood, distance, energy level and setting so it doesn't perfectly match.
Does the scouter counts the whole threat in the shotgun when determining the farmer's power level or only his brute force? It is implied that if Black didn't dodged future's Mai special gun's bullet, it would have hurt him, so is technology counted in the power level? Then again, a rock from krillin has hurt super sayan distracted Goku before... but it did had force applied on it's trajectory by krillin throwing it, even though super human force could vaporize a rock before impact, ki could also protect it in it's trajectory as things are often done with weapons like trunk's sword
Goku got the most ridiculous power up to me. He went from weaker then vegeta to stronger then captain ginyu!! Then almost died and got revived to be strong as at least 45%frezia!!!! CRAZY!!!
To me is already insane that Vegeta could be pair with Frieza in his first form. That can't be just zenkai boost going from 18k on Earth, to around 25k against Zarbon, then 40k against the Ginyus, and after that blow'd up to 500k??. OR Vegeta (and then Gohan) learned untelling us how to unleash the secret saiyans power (Ozaru) without transform, maybe imitating Goku's kaioken, OR Frieza always bluffed about his power level and was way lower than 530.000 and 1 million, that could've been those forms maximum (possible even thinking that if Frieza was always on 530.000 all scouters would be exploded in his presence.)
Vegeta was still a lot weaker than Freeza there, he only grappled with him and was quite winded afterward and Freeza didn't really break a sweat. He could have been 400000+ since he swatted Freeza's beam away.
1. Powerlevels always mattered. Theres been maybe one case in the entirety of DB and DBZ where someone with a lower powerlevel beat a higher one. They balloned rapidly but the rules still applied 2. Zenkai boost has always been a thing in DBZ and never stopped being a thing even in the Buu Saga and to deny their DEFINITIVE existence is intellectual negligence. At every opportunity for a boost to occur, they did. Zenkai boosts are relative to the opponent and Androids have no chi so they cant provide Zenkai boosts
Actually he may have gotten a lot more stronger than a 1000X Power levels are not linear as Vegeta who can destroy a planet has a power lvl is 18k while a regular human is 5. 18k/5 humans are not going to be enough to get to planet level. Meaning the bare minimum 1000 times increase Gohan got might be a lot larger than it seems based on power levels being seemingly non linear.
@@theccarbiter It was……. He was gonna destroy Earth when he was at a power lvl of 18k, unless u think the Galick Gun increased his power level. Even then, the power level difference between planet busting and a regular human wouldn’t make sense if they were linear.
Never use filler for scaling. By fillers standards, Yamcha, not only never fought again post getting one shot by Gero (except getting decimated by the Cell jrs), and didn't train in between as far as anyone knows, was all of a sudden able to one shot Olibu, who gave weighted Pikkon a better fight than SPC. SPC was also stated in the anime guide to be stronger than ever. Speaking of Olibu, apparently base Goku was above SPC in the tournament and then dropped back down even in the anime to his SSJ2 being the only form he surpassed Gohan in. So either Cell Games Gohan was between 50-100x SPC (let's be real here, he wasn't) or the filler scaling goes Cell Games Yamcha
another point to bolster your idea of Vegeta being wrong about it being Goku in Gurus house is that Vegeta is new to sensing powers without his scouter
I know its non canon but could his rage boosts be a false super sayian like Goku did against slug in the movie it would explain his boost and maybe hybrids have way more acces to the ssj and false forms
Krillin could've killed frieza if he destroyed his 🧠 with a destructo disc
Yeah but do you think even Frieza is going to leave himself that Open to attack.
@@crimsonninja4097It depends on when it happens. If Gohan and Krillin attacked Frieza and his men the first time they saw them (Solar Flare and killed Frieza first along with his two henchmen with a Destructo Disk right before Dodoria was going to kill Dende), they would have all died for sure. At that point Frieza had no idea they even existed, let alone what they could do. And they would have been so off guard by the Solar Flare and shocked by what was even happening, that they'd all be dead while still trying to process what the heck is going on. They really could have saved the day on their own right there if Krillin chose to do that. I mean sure Vegeta is on the planet, but he would die to Nail with ease without the boost he got from Zarbon to get him in the Ginyu Force range, so he too would die. It is a negative outcome though since no Super Saiyan, meaning they're all dead to the androids.
Right ?! or if he at least used a solar flare on him and then launched the Destructo disk that would’ve been over right then and there😂😂
True but Frieza should’ve killed everyone instead of playing around
@devaughnfranklin6683 then zeno erases him and everyone else years later...or cell/buu gets him before that
Gohan with the crazy rage boost kicking second form Frieza’s ass is one of my favorite DBZ moments!
Right next to kaioken x20 Kamehameha vs freeza
And future trunks ss transformation after Gohans death
Idk him doing that to third form freeza was pretty cool too
Kid Gohan is the absolute Goat, his progress and strength was insane back in the day. Also the thumbnail is absolute fire!
the original broly
Gohan was my favourite character in dbz he was amazing in the saiyan saga and went to war on namek I'm glad to see him back at the top
For real that’s my guy 😄✊🏾
For real that’s my guy 😄✊🏾
It’s great seeing qaaman being interactive with his fans for over a decade now
Ayanna?
@@QaamansLand my bad, autocorrect. Don’t where it came from
@@QaamansLand but yeah it’s great seeing you still sticking around after all these years. The dragon ball UA-cam community has changed a lot from 2013 to now
Nice video Qaaman Gohan really grew throughout the Saiyan/Frezia Arc. His experiences really made him mature.
Very good video. And you already hooked me in with the fact of Gohan already getting 1000 times stronger with his rage boost against Raditz.
That’s just insane.
Kid/pre-teen Gohan literally was the goat back in the day.
Also Qaaman. Love the new editing you have on your videos. Your editors definitely deserve all their hard work.
You mean me? I have editors but I did this one myself.
@@QaamansLand ahh ok ok. My bad lmao. Well either way, great job!!
EXCELLENT WORK. QAAMAN GOHAN POWER SCALING
This has the Qaaman-esque 2014 style. That is what made them unique and engaging.
Namek Gohan is the best
Something I talked about with Mike a bit is the idea that power is adaptive in the series. All head Canon to explain the way the show is written of course. But saiyans and to a lesser extent everyone else seem to get around as strong as the strongest power they've experienced up to that point, maybe due to their transformative abilities. Sort of as though the character is seeing how their ki behaves and then trying to replicate it. In this case, Gohan has the potential and physiology to play catch up to Recoome or Vegeta or Freiza as he experiences their power. Prior saiyans never fought someone beyond a PL range in the thousands. Once Freiza showed them what they could do without killing them, zenkais let them duplicate that ki rapidly. All head canoning of course.
That sort of makes sense with Cell too. Like he doesn't just replicate the DNA of the heroes, but their Ki too. Maybe that's kind of why Kami senses such a large disturbance due to Cell, he's an unnatural combination of so many different kinds of ki
Gohan on Namek was my guy so much potential and Cell Arc
Keep in mind that concentrated Ki attacks falsely boost power level readings. When Vegeta scanned Gohan during the masenko charge up what he was scanning was the power of the attack not Gohans fighting power per se.
1000X 😵😵 Im starting to think DBZ might not be real, i mean this is just crazy
This feels like a classic Dragon Ball video from what you could find in 2010.
I love it. ❤
How so? Feedback appreciated.
@@QaamansLand I am an old youtube guy and I am probably close to your age (27) So I think it goes to show how the platform aged.
I can see two classic I guess formulae used here.
1. There isn't an overuse of jumpcuts, overlays and other visual effects to make it seem cluttered (or sometimes pop, I am sure if you watch Carthu's Dojo, you can know that it is not how you lay out everything in the video, but how to make it cut through seemlessly.)
2. It feels a bit more grounded. Nowadays, we talk about Super and Gohan Beast, and Orange Piccolo. Now, I have warmed up to Super of the years, especially after Toriyama's passing and I can appreciate toyataro's creativity in ways toriyama simply would have never. I think what matters here is that, my thesis is "Gohan being over hundreds of times stronger in Namek saga makes perfect sense in past and preent context, and we should talk about how this impacts his character/development"
Anyway, wish you the best! This took a while because I had to kind of think what made it different. I still watch new and old channels for Dragon Ball, so it is not a 'I think this is better' thing.I think it is just 'more simple and nostalgic' kind of thing.
@@twenty-fifth420 Thanks, when you get a chance how would you describe my style more specifically?
Always appreciate the feedback.
I have a huge question, when they heard that they would all die from the Androids in 3 years, why did they not gather and use the DragonBalls those three times. Once each year. Three wishes
For the first wish, they just had to make Piccolo immortal. Then the DragonBalls would never disappear because Piccolo can't die
Second wish, they could have found the location of Dr Gero lab. Even if they didn't defeat him early they could have still used the knowledge of where it was located
Third wish, they could have done something crazy like wish to have Gohans powers awoken, or to Goku be immune to the Heart Virus
Because none of it existed at the time.
Because then we wouldn’t have the cell arc lol
First, Piccolo already had a similar wish granted to him, eternal youth, i guess the dragon can't grant him another wish similar to that. Yes is suck, he will never age but he can die. (Piccolo Daimaku got this wish granted to him in the OG dragon ball, Piccolo junior is his reincarnation so most likely he got this wish transfer to him, as we all know Piccolo is both a reincarnation and a offspring of Piccolo Daimaku)
Second, Goku and Vegeta made it clear to Bulma to not interfere with Dr. Geros plans because they wanted to fight this androids. Yes they have the warmongers sayan genes after all.
Third wish, there things Shen Long can't do, i guess those two are good examples, either because someone else already did that with Gohan, Guru did it, and the second have not manifest and is an unknown "virus" to him so he can't stop what he can't know. Unless they use the dragonballs when the symptoms manifest? but i believe this was not a disease, let make it clear, Goku was a low class warrior, but his sheer effort got him where he at, however his body is weak, maybe this was not a virus but a cardiac condition he develop for his harsh training and so a natural cause of death in which case Shen long can't interfere. Shen long can't revive someone who die of natural causes. Maybe that medicine Bulma did where nano bots who repair the damage in his coronary arteries or his heart to make them stronger and not an "antidote" for a virus? Darn, so many questions...
They already explained that in show, they wanted to fight all the androids
They're dumb, that's why. Making Piccolo immortal is literally the smartest thing they could have done between Raditz and the Cell Games when he fused with Kami. But the Saiyans wanted to fight no matter what. The second wish would have made sure they reached the lab before Gero but again, dumb. The third wish they didn't know could be done tbh.
Frieza should be happy that Saiyans never had relationships with other races cus imagine an army of Gohans
GREAT QAAMAN DRAGON BALL GOHAN POWER SCALING NAMEKIAN/ FRIEZA SAGA VIDEO.
Interesting idea but it seems there is something more unique about Gohan other than being half saiyan. Both Trunks and Goten (and ig Pan but we haven’t seen enough of her yet) are half saiyans but their powers are not nearly as based on their emotions as Gohan. I guess Future Trunks does have that ssj Rage in the Goku Black arc (I think it was anime only though) but I wouldn’t really count that bc it was a 1 time thing
@@oneboxboi1091Goten is ridiculously strong for his age compared to what his father was at the same age.
@@newhybrid101 yeah but tbf the method of accessing the super saiyan transformation was already known once Goten was born and began training, Goku had no idea he could do that until the Namek Saga
Imagine Broly and cheelai's son, he'd make Gohan look like the worthless tantrum child he really is cuz Broly is what the genetically perfect truly and their children would make everyone look like nothing
Vegeta, in a sinister tone of voice: "That's right, boys, mondo cool"
Let’s also not forget how kid gohan from the frieza arc went from being above vegeta at that point to being beyond mecha frieza in 3 years and in his base form
Always look forward to your comments Karma
Very entertaining video qaaman ❤❤❤❤
8:54- to lampshade how absurd it is, he goes from barely holding against the subordinates of the essentially 2nd in command who is not close to making his boss in his weakest form that no one aside from very rare cases can make go seriously- being a sort of untouchable behemoth to briefly trouncing this behemoth’s even stronger form that was seen as ridiculous as he was already powerful.
A short while later, he manages to nearly pummel an even stronger form into the ocean, causing Freeza to be worried enough to go into his final form, something even more unheard of compared to his 3rd which was something no one could do- just to even the odds
And that’s why Gohan is the goat !!😏✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
When Goku Black arrived in the current timeline, did it create a new timeline where Goku Black never arrived. Similarly when Cell time traveled from the future to the present to find the Androids, he created a new timeline where Cell never existed which we know as the Original Timeline.
I can answer this question in a video. It's too much for a comment. Stay tuned.
You're da man@@QaamansLand
You gotta remember was around 10k-15k when he got his potential unleashed but you gotta remember that same gohan literally skyrocketed to 200k-900k
One moment that really made me LOVE Gohan was when he saved Piccolo from Gero…that moment was so tense, like will he get there in time, even if he does will he have the courage to save Piccolo…. And the answer was Yes….that boy was ready to BOX Gero and Piccolo like nah I got it😭
Gohan stalling with Frieza is cool but all he did was run and it was brave but really didn’t stamp anything…when I seen Gohan pull some PICCOLO shit to save PICCOLO😂 that’s when I knew
yeah thats what makes the cell fight so dog shit. he was willing to constantly fight people multiple times more [powerful then himself. then when he had to fight cell all of a sudden saving people and this i hate fighting excuses started. yeah he may never of liked fighting but he was always ready to do it because it was the right thing to do until cell where he let his friends and father b tortured by the cell jrs and let 16 die to learn a lesson he already spent the last 5 years putting into practice against a guy who he is 80 percent as strong as. fucking terrible
You must realize the fact that the Ox King Village/Fire Mountain is based on the real life Houyan Mountains of Xinjiang, China🔥
Actually I believe this 100% after rewatching the saiyan saga and the namek saga. Gohan literally didn’t “do” anything to increase his power significantly since the time he trained with piccolo in anticipation of the saiyans arriving. All he did was image train with Krillin a lil bit, get his neck broken by Recoome and get pissed off and then woooosh.
Don't forget Frieza gave him a Zenkai too.
@@QaamansLand I absolutely did, an all the more impressive bowl cut baby
Honestly, if Gohan proportionally experienced the same power increase he did against Radditz . . . DBZ might have ended a lot faster lol. Imagine that 981 x 1307 against Nappa. Or later that 14,000 x 1,307? A 1300+ power multiplier is over 3x the SSJ3 multiplier.
Gohan was that guy he had me thinking he was about to become a super Saiyan on Namek.
Zenkai inducing beat down gonna be my new motivational catchphrase when I get Ls
People also underestimate that he became mentally stronger as well...he saw the saiyans on earth and he was told what would happen if they were to fail against them but he still didnt properly understand it
but gohan saw that exact situation on namek he saw death and destruction he saw what would have happened if they hadnt defeated the saiyans on earth a group of people going around killing innocent people to find the dragonballs.
Namek was were gohan finally understood what piccollo was trying to tell him all this time.
My favorite Gohan, MVP imo.
very nice video, thanks!
wish there was an official statement of all this, specially the rage boost, which i think is a thing inherit by the Ox family, the reason Chichi was adamant in makeing Gohan her first born child a good kid so he didn't turn into a "rebel" as she knows the Ox family "curse". Also as i see it, Gohan got his power unlocked by Guru but also officially 2 Sekais, both in Namek, first one, when he fight Rikum and got a senzu and later when he fight Frieza in his second form and restore by Dende. I don't think got any when he fight Napa and when he fight Vegeta as he was not near dead, in the first one Goku arrive in time and in the second he was just extremely tired because the long battle. But maybe he got one? IDK...
Actually the rule is, you cant revive the same person with the earth dragn balls. not the same wish. Bulma always ask the dragon to reduce her age a couple of years so to look young but not too young to be expose as she have done plastic surgery or something like that.
This Gohan is why I can't understand Gohan's soft scripted character. Dude is a soldier. He lost a lot of friends in the Saiyan saga, including the dinosaur and robot during Piccolo's training.
This is nostalgic. And i was also playing the SNES rpg other day. That game is so broken.
Gohan has Chi Chi's rage, I think that's why his spikes in power are so crazy.
No thats his own rage, you cant have someones rage 🤦♂️
The explosivity and constant exponential growth of Gohan's power was one of the 'always just out of focus' elements that were built beautifully to him being the one to defeat Cell.
I actually feel like we never really saw how powerful 'Perfect' SSJ Gohan was, while he powered up enough to peak Cell's interest (which'd definitely say he was generating more power than Goku) he's clearly not actually that invested in the fight and when Cell's trying to provoke him there's a moment when he 'snaps', not in the usual explosive Gohan manner just more a "that hurt!" kinda thing, and a single blow from him is enough to drop Cell and keep him down for a moment. Okay, sure Cell's not using his full power at that time but it's more from a single physical hit than Goku managed without a massive Ki blast.
This begs the question I've always wanted answered. How close in power do you have to be to damage someone in the Dragonball Universe?
The gap has to be less than 2x
@@metal42 im assuming unless its a special technique like the destructo disc or something
@@xChickenMedia Yeah, the destructo disk can damage a person that's 13x stronger than them, as that's the gap between 2nd Form Frieza and Krillin
It doesn't matter anymore because apparently Goku post SSG or SSGSS iirc, without a few months of training - a bullet can inflict a type of damage to Goku suppressed. When that doesn't normally happens.
Now that I think about it, it depends on the gun they use bullet etc.
Given how closely associated with anger Gohan's power is I'm surprised it took them so long to make the connection with Broly. I always thought it would be an interesting idea for Gohan to have a similar mutation to Broly on his Saiyan side with his human side having a dampening affect on how out of control he gets. Since Broly isn't a villain like he used to be it would be kind of cool to see them team up on something. Maybe going after Black Freeza.
It is Qaaman here today! 🤩
Namek was a mess with all the power level inflation. Just... So many ridiculous multipliers. Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and even Krillin.
Imagine how weak everyone would be without this arc happening 😢
The whole Namek era takes place over like 6 or 7 weeks. 1 month for Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma to get there. Then they call for Goku’s help right away I’m pretty sure.
Then it takes Goku like 6 days to get there. And everything from Goku arriving on Namek, to Namek exploding, all happens in the same day, over like a 4 or 5 hour period.
Maybe even more crazy is how Goku trained his whole life for 24 years for a power level of 400, to then go to a power level of 150,000,000, or 3 million base power within just a little over a year. Lmao
When Gohan and Krillin were training inside their minds in space! Peak meditation training
Wow what a unique topic on this video💯
When Gohan first beat on second form freeza I was so shocked and hyped.
Factsss krillin did too, krillin was getting zenkais in frieza arc too (toriyama said forgot sayian exclusive during the times but still counts)⚡️ even vegeta mentioned it to frieza first form and also mentioned it when mrillin and gohan faught guildo
Krillin also got one after frieza stabbed him and dende healed him goku mentioned it aswell so did frieza
Original English sub/dub not kai or manga.
FEWWAS, had to do it
Gohan definitely got most improved player in the namek arc
Vegeta being a close second
All three of the saiyans went from the ten thousands to the millions within a few zenkai’s. Goku much more than gohan or vegeta since he was abusing them on the way to namek. Gohan had a total of 3 zenkai’s on namek and I do believe by the end of the arc he’s at bare minimum 1 million. And vegeta somewhere around 2 million. Possibly more after being revived.
He went from about 1.5k to about 25k with fluctuations during his rage boosts against Frieza.
Gohan with raditz did the same thing remember? Went from basically a non measurable powerlevel to 1,300. Not a surprise. Frankly the only weird thing is that his rage didn't do anything against the Ginyu Force.
I will say "by gettin his ass kicked and recovering again anda again"...but thats my theory xD
Ahh. The nostalgia. Back when a power level of 1 mil was a BIG deal.
Gohan was pretty beast on namek no pun intended
he did pummel 50% frieza arround for a brief moment, while goku was lava bathing
Gohan be pulling power out of thin air as a toddler.
Can you do a What-If Freiza never noticed Dende healing the Z-Fighters before transforming into final form?
At what EXACT POINT?
When Gohan fired a Masenko Ha against third form Frieza he should have had help from Vegeta and Krilín. Together they'd have been able to do some damage. Maybe Frieza would have taken more time to gather himself before he decided to transform and
He ate his wheaties and Picco Os.
lol. Even as a child I thought Freiza referencing Cowboy lingo was odd. 😂😂😂
Plus Vegeta didn't fully understand the difference between full blooded Saiyan's vs Hybrid Saiyan's zenkai boost
Power scaling couldnt even explain what kind of a boost Gohans rage gave him. It cant be measured the way Kaioken or Super Saiyan are measured as base multipliers.
But somehow it briefly made him extremely powerful...powerful enough that he literally was able to throw hands with each transformation of Frieza.
Fun fact-gohan during the frieza fight had a power level of 200,000
@10:28 when you said final form frieza can regen his tail.
Idk why, but I remember there were some shots of frieza with his tail chopped off when fighting against Ssj Goku. Lol.
I'm not trying to correct you but do you remember how full form frieza lost a part of his tail? Bc Goku did not bite off his tail 😭
It got blown off again after the spirit bomb
I completely forgot about that. It is just weird how that specific part only got blown away. Thanks 👍
Maybe the guru potential thing was interfering with the supposed zenkai boost gohan was suppose to get and then when it was complete all the zenkais caught up while the rage boost was happening
power comes from a need. growth is greater vs stronger opponents as well as the capacity and potential of a sayain. its evolution on steroids, evolving and adapting to overcome threats in real time. zenkai is likely influenced by how much power they needed to overcome the level of power that put the sayain in a near death state
I wasn’t surprised by that. I’d imagine he was close to 10K before even arriving on Namek from his Zenkai boosts after Nappa and Vegeta beat the crap out of them. (Remember, no Senzu beans from the second one means a longer healing process and a great time for the Zenkai for work)
Then, the power up from Guru before nearly dying at Recoome, then Senzu Bean. Later, Frieza laid the hurt on him before Dende healed him.
Yeah, 1000 times is very easy to imagine. Low balling it at 1000… also within the realm of possibility.
He also trained on his way to Namek
@@stonalisa3729 exactly! Mental training, but hey… Piccolo grows stronger through meditation, so it’s valid!
Most fans forget that Gohan is a saiyan and can get a zenkai boost! On top of this, rage emotions affect his power.
Zenkai boost affected his power from 20,000 to 200,000. With rage, it was 1,000,000. Then double rage, 2,000,000.
Frieza's transformations are a nightmare.
- Vegata (Budokai Tenkaichi 3)
I've been telling people for years that Gohan's rage boosts are higher multipiers than any of the transformations.
Gohan is a real beast
In the low millions tho?! I guess you could count that last fight since Kai had left it in. Still it made it seem like he was stronger than Goku was before SS, and that was that much stronger than Vegeta (who was still able to trash Gohan in a later filler scene). It's like the anime staff just didn't care lol
Spot on 👍🏾👍🏾🔥🔥💪🏾💪🏾
This might be a minor gripe, but I don't know why people keep calling him farmer with a shotgun. He has a rifle. Raditz even caught the bullet, showing that it was indeed a rifle.
I agree but that's why he's called that
2:35 Now i know the reason why gohan never dodges
I think that since Gohan is half saiyan, half human. Gohan's rage fits are boosted by adrenaline in those intense fights. I don't know maybe adrenaline could play a factor in toughness, tolerance and force, sometimes speed.
Also in the time chamber going from a base sayian to stronger than both goku and vegeta in grade 4
Gohan did get his potential unlocked though.
I think that says it all
Vegeta himself, before arriving on Earth, told Nappa that Metis Sayens would be uncontrollable and would far surpass pure Sayens.
and despite this knowledge, vegeta has always been shocked by gohan, whether when he arrived on earth, on namek, facing cell, and he would surely have been shocked if he had witnessed gohan ultimate facing super buu ( even goku was shocked )
All this to say that even vegeta, who had warned that Metis Sayens were far too dangerous, a mixing saiyan and earthling blood like gohan has always far surpassed anything he could have imagined.
Metis?
@@QaamansLand
I mean "mixing saiyan and earthling blood"
i edited
sorry , metis is a french word
Gohan went from having 1,500 power output at the start of Namek all the way up to 1,500,000 power output when fighting Frieza.
Although he may have been incredibly powerful to begin with, but his power just fluctuates due to his emotions.
I almost forgot that Krillins Kienzan cutted Freeza. Even though he was like 100x stronger than Freeza at point. I think that Krillin created one of the most op techniques on DBZ. Or maybe it was just that low guard thing like Whis told.
Yea. Thats Gohans thing. When he gets boosts, he gets insane boosts. Not just really good ones like everyone else
Best ark ever
The namek saga goes against all the guys who says it’s out of character for gohan to get beast form with little to no training
The leaps in power Gohan had during the Namek saga is something Kid Vegeta wishes he had during his time from kid to adult. Speaking of Vegeta, you have no one to blame but yourself, punching poor Gohan in the stomach like he's a goddamn pinata made him strong 😂
with this dude constantly changing his voice i wont be surprised if he starts sounding like Hurcule by 2025
How am I changing it? The reason it slightly changes is because I record Post-Edit in a different mood, distance, energy level and setting so it doesn't perfectly match.
Does the scouter counts the whole threat in the shotgun when determining the farmer's power level or only his brute force?
It is implied that if Black didn't dodged future's Mai special gun's bullet, it would have hurt him, so is technology counted in the power level? Then again, a rock from krillin has hurt super sayan distracted Goku before... but it did had force applied on it's trajectory by krillin throwing it, even though super human force could vaporize a rock before impact, ki could also protect it in it's trajectory as things are often done with weapons like trunk's sword
What if Sotbet was able to wish King Cold back like he planned to?
Is Quinn’s favourite character still piccolo?
Yes but Gohan was originally my favorite in youth like many others.
Lol I be forgetting me and qua got the same name⚡️it's rare seeing it wiith our ethincy⚡️
Goku got the most ridiculous power up to me. He went from weaker then vegeta to stronger then captain ginyu!! Then almost died and got revived to be strong as at least 45%frezia!!!! CRAZY!!!
Now just imagine what Broly’s power level was when he was 5
To me is already insane that Vegeta could be pair with Frieza in his first form. That can't be just zenkai boost going from 18k on Earth, to around 25k against Zarbon, then 40k against the Ginyus, and after that blow'd up to 500k??. OR Vegeta (and then Gohan) learned untelling us how to unleash the secret saiyans power (Ozaru) without transform, maybe imitating Goku's kaioken, OR Frieza always bluffed about his power level and was way lower than 530.000 and 1 million, that could've been those forms maximum (possible even thinking that if Frieza was always on 530.000 all scouters would be exploded in his presence.)
Vegeta was still a lot weaker than Freeza there, he only grappled with him and was quite winded afterward and Freeza didn't really break a sweat. He could have been 400000+ since he swatted Freeza's beam away.
Gohan got his potential unleashed and had 3 zenkai boosts and a rage boost.
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1. Powerlevels always mattered. Theres been maybe one case in the entirety of DB and DBZ where someone with a lower powerlevel beat a higher one. They balloned rapidly but the rules still applied
2. Zenkai boost has always been a thing in DBZ and never stopped being a thing even in the Buu Saga and to deny their DEFINITIVE existence is intellectual negligence. At every opportunity for a boost to occur, they did. Zenkai boosts are relative to the opponent and Androids have no chi so they cant provide Zenkai boosts
Actually he may have gotten a lot more stronger than a 1000X
Power levels are not linear as Vegeta who can destroy a planet has a power lvl is 18k while a regular human is 5.
18k/5 humans are not going to be enough to get to planet level.
Meaning the bare minimum 1000 times increase Gohan got might be a lot larger than it seems based on power levels being seemingly non linear.
Clicked before watching fully?
@@QaamansLand
Maybe :>
Very True.
It’s never confirmed vegeta could destroy a planet at 18k
@@theccarbiter
It was……. He was gonna destroy Earth when he was at a power lvl of 18k, unless u think the Galick Gun increased his power level.
Even then, the power level difference between planet busting and a regular human wouldn’t make sense if they were linear.
I know all this info yet I watch these videos anyway. XD
Never use filler for scaling. By fillers standards, Yamcha, not only never fought again post getting one shot by Gero (except getting decimated by the Cell jrs), and didn't train in between as far as anyone knows, was all of a sudden able to one shot Olibu, who gave weighted Pikkon a better fight than SPC. SPC was also stated in the anime guide to be stronger than ever.
Speaking of Olibu, apparently base Goku was above SPC in the tournament and then dropped back down even in the anime to his SSJ2 being the only form he surpassed Gohan in. So either Cell Games Gohan was between 50-100x SPC (let's be real here, he wasn't) or the filler scaling goes Cell Games Yamcha
Wtf qaaman explain how your voice got 1000x DEEPER?!
That's a fun video lol
another point to bolster your idea of Vegeta being wrong about it being Goku in Gurus house is that Vegeta is new to sensing powers without his scouter
Gohan was Goku's lvl when he was there the prince even said it he thought Goku was in the room hiding but it was his son
I know its non canon but could his rage boosts be a false super sayian like Goku did against slug in the movie it would explain his boost and maybe hybrids have way more acces to the ssj and false forms