The clone explanation makes zero sense for two big reasons. 1. When we find and save Green Lantern, he has a hole in his forehead, meaning Deadshot killed the real Green Lantern, but he got revived (somehow). 2. Wonder Woman used her lasso on evil Flash and he came back briefly as the real one at this moment. If he was a clone, how did he regain consciousness there ? What a mess.
i didnt play the game, but could braniac not clone like a thousand superman too? would that be a good plan for world domination? also when he clones green lantern, does the ring itself replicate for the clone too?
Gl still having a hole in his head is most likely a graphical glitch and can be compared to when batmans suit magically fixed its self and as for flash he was implanted with all the memories of the real flash so underneath all the brainwashing he would still be good i think
The worst part about this is that Batman’s plan was to create clones - real living beings - to sacrifice to Brainiac’s mind control, doomed to die with all the other people on Earth AND he didn’t even include Wonder Woman for some reason? He also fully intended to sacrifice the Suicide Squad to buy them time so yeah. This is grossly out or character for Batman and not thought out AT ALL.
Multi-billion Dollar companies that blatantly disrespect the audience and the fans do not deserve our sympathy or our respect. I get staying positive but I don't understand how so many UA-camrs defend the likes of Disney and many others, constantly going like, just give them another chance, just give them another chance...
@@gabrielarguello3282 If they were clones Batman at very least should get from a Braniac new suit stuffed with alen tech and new gadgets. Not even mention that one cutscene about Wonderwoman used her lasso on Flash.
Batman didn’t have clone final lines, because they were never recorded, because they were never intended. The monologue before killing Batman, was too personal, and written by someone who hates Batman, which wouldn’t be written for a clone. A Green Lantern Ring isn’t smart enough to recognize a clone? Lasso of Truth didn’t reveal more information, or make him say “I’m not your Flash.”? That’s before all other inconsistencies in the game. “Your DNA is the same Deadshot but different somehow.” That’s how science works I guess. A Rogue villain pissing on Flash? Nope. If anything King Shark would’ve gone to do it, doing to copy previous actions to fit in, and Boomerang would’ve said “Nah, mate. Not this one.” Just all a huge mess.
Yeah too many coincidence for me ro accept clone answer. We may never got the real answer, but this mess may make WB and Rocksteady to decanonized this game. Which gave me some hope
It would have made more sense to just reveal that Superman survived and found a way to undo all of Brainiac’s invasion. Or even better, make this its own universe and both the Arkham universe.
Even even better, this is revealed to be a bad dream, and thus, none of this ever happened. Now, this story’s existence will be set to be forgotten.😮💨
There are plenty of reasons for this game to not be considered canon, many of which you stated, but the most obvious to me would be Harley's creepy dialogue towards little Poison Ivy. She implies they had a relationship which simply wasn't possible, not in the Arkhamverse. I'd struggle to even call them friends, they barely interacted during the games and Ivy died in Knight so it's not like they could've gotten together after Harley's little healing journey.
Yes, but you see, the problem is that every writer now assumes that Ivy and Harley must be a thing in every universe, because... reasons. Even when the end result is an adult creeping on a child, because I guess the writers think it's alright if they're both women?
Agreed. I think they wanted to portray a modern Harley closer to that audiences have grown to love over the years (fully over Joker, in/has been in a relationship with Ivy, and is relatively friendlier) but in doing so contradicted her depiction in the Arkham games. Based on their few interactions in the series, as you stated, I'd hesitate to even call them friends - more like fellow criminals who've had several friendly and helpful interactions and Harley seemed way too co-dependent on Joker and even psychotic in the Arkhamverse for me to see her having broken up with him for some time and gotten with Ivy for a while. It would've been fine if this game showed how she develops into that modern Harley away from that her Arkhamverse depiction but the game just has her already being like that and plays it off like it perfectly goes with what's been depicted before.
They needa put them squad rejects back behind bars bro, ain’t Harley Quinn still responsible for the murder of a daycare and shh? I hope they didn’t forget that bcuz idk why Superman letting them roam free..
@ RIGHT, she’s probably the only person from the squad that actually deserves execution. Not to mention that in Batgirl: A Matter Of Family, she literally helps the joker in getting the man to commit unalive and basically kill his daughter.
@@Joshda039 yeah but i dont think his lines would have been him talking about him getting captured and cloned i think that was a later decision for the story as in after he passed away
😂Volition had one bad game , square enix (the division behind forspoken) had one bad game , one bad game can close a studio because of how expensive it is to make a video game Does rocksteady deserve to close down no , but now im highly skeptical of any new games coming from the studio
It was bad, but at the same time, Rocksteady was damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. If they did add Kevin’s voice lines, people would say they should’ve just left Crisis as his last performance. Because they didn’t, people are saying they should’ve added them.
I think Rocksteady is going to need a serious blockbuster next if they have any chance to survive- if they can even survive this, it's not clear that they will.
Kevin was dead when this was made. This was clearly made because they had to apologize for killing batman like a dog and they didn't have the player numbers to do all 13 Brainiacs. This was just a slap dash ending slash apology.
I'm not defending the ending but the file and audio leaks show that the plan was to bring them back from before the game came out. In fact, there were supposed to be 5 seasons but it seems they cut the plan short.
@@themadtitan7603 I just don't buy it. It makes no sense! Why wasn't wonder woman a clone? If this was Batman's plan it's really stupid! Why would the JL lie in waiting and let billions die! Just to pop out and steal the glory on the last Brainiac?
@ It was Superman's idea to go into Brainiac's mothership and convince him to stand down with Batman being in doubt before relenting. Wonder Woman and Flash (initially) were the only ones who managed to escape, which is why the former isn't a close and actually died. Finally, the JL weren't just waiting, they were in Brainiac's captivity before somehow escaping and laying out Brainiac (I don't think the cutscene even explains how) where it's then revealed the Suicide Squad killing the different Brainiacs and the clones was part of Batman's plan to defeat Brainiac and escape. In short, they made Superman out to be oblivious to a likely potential trap so that the plot can happen & the Suicide Squad's actions were an elaborate back-up plan. You could think all of this is ridiculous or poorly conceived, but regardless, it was the roadmap they had mind from before the game came out. The devs even said Sefton Hill (the director) envisioned it as an Infinity War/Endgame like story where the heroes die and all hope seems lost before they all gloriously return.
You know what, I think they saw the clip of Batman making a contingency plan to stop Mr. Freeze who returns after 1000 years, and decided to do something similar to that for the DLCs. I bet they didn't watch the whole episode either, only the clip and went on with the "Suicide Squad was Batman's Plan B". And the clones never made sense.
Its honestly all threes fault wb rocksteady and the old directors are at fault cause lets be honest nobody asked for this kinda game the question why wb even gave the green light to this game but also rocksteady why would they even want to make it if they wanted to i wouldn’t know but as of now its going to be extremely difficult to come back from this imo.
As a Sonic fan, if one bad game determined the future then 06 would have forever killed the series. But now Sonic has rebound more than ever before with the newest games and movies. Give new Rocksteady another chance, they just might need to find their footing. Camoflauje came out of left field with a banger Batman game
@@infernobat8325 I'd love that but I think it'd have to be a combination of The Long Halloween and Dark Victory given Arkham Shadow already adapted a big plot point of Harvey's turn into Two-Face.
No Arkham Batman's story is over it's time to move on from the Arkhamverse. We've seen the beginning, we've seen the end, his story is done. Why not make a goddamn Superman game for once?
Should have just made a Justice League or Batman beyond game set in the arkham universe.....Or just make a good game and not whatever the he'll kill the justice league was
I already had problems with with Arkham Knight's story, and Suicide Squad's was god awful (But Knight is *MILES* better than it). So I have zero faith in Rocksteady to make a good DC story if this is what they can muster now. At this point, they either need to bring back Paul Dini, the writers from Arkham Origins, or the writers from Arkham Shadow, cause I'm not getting burned a third time.
This all feels like a parody of the Arkhamverse that it’s time to consider it non-canon and never trust Rockstedy again. And it’s quite embarrassing how Gotham Knights was more better and understood the Batman lore than this smh
Wonder woman was done dirty Not only she's the only one who died for real but she died thinking her friends were lost and after watching some of them "die"
Just make it an Elseworlds story and in the Arkhamverse the League defeated Brainiac because they had seven members (I love the League in the game, their interactions and designs, but I don’t like how small it is, Seven founders minimum).
This game entirely feels like it's not in the arkham verse lol I want them to make an arkham origins trilogy (third person games) starting with an arkham origins remaster leading into the remakes of the og arkham games
This Curse is finally over and now I’m just going to say it, No, this Ending doesn’t Fix Everything or Redeems the Arkhamverse, in fact this was just Rush, Lazy, and Cheap, Rocksteady should stay away from DC as I’m never trusting them or any so called RS and SweetBaby Inc. Worker ever again and I’m done saving Rocksteady Forever and even if you retcon it it’s not gonna save this Tainted Peace for Crap, MK1 is better than this.
Writing for this game was one the wall especially with the story it went with the base game. Lesson WB & Rocksteady should take away from this; They shouldn't think they know any better and dismiss great writers like Paul Dini. Sure, they got away with it once with Arkham Knight (but even then it was criticized as worst writing in all the Arkham series), but they were totally exposed with SSKTJL.
Its insane how much potential this game had, the amount of new characters ans new lore they coudve added was insane, hopefully rocksteady can get back on track, bc I know they can make good games.
Having Arkham Batman still be alive is great but does that fix the game whatsoever absolutely not. Their biggest mistake was making this game in the Arkham verse when it would’ve been less hated if it wasn’t. Like this game is absolutely nothing and Arkham Shadow a game that respects the previous games was so well received why bc it showed passion for the universe. Just a waste of a game and I’m glad I never bought it. They better leave Camoflaj in charge of continuing the story from Arkham Shadow.
I think it would’ve made more sense if this was an alternate universe where things are similar to the Arkhamverse but with certain twists like in the game. And then maybe switch WW and Batman’s roles, this universe’s Batman dies and then have the other Lex Luther and the true Arkham Batman come in the help and then have this Batman stay in the universe to honor his doppelgänger and keep Arkham knight’s ending intact with him “retiring or dead”
Im am prepared to give a new Rocksteady game a chance on a new Batman game that may or may not be released in 10 years. But i am far more excited for a Shadow sequel from Camoflaj.
Well technically that shouldn't even be able to happen since Talia died in Arkham City. That feels like it would just undermine the ending of that game a little bit by bringing her back just to introduce Damian Wayne. Then again, bringing an al Ghul back from the dead is what they do best.
Ngl, i like the idea where Superman comes to help batman resurface after Knight, but i think it shouldve been done better, like how in a Batman comic where they showed Arkham Batman after knight was depresed, and i think Superman after realizing Bruce is Alive, he brings the Batfamily to help Batman up, out of his depresion, he sacrificed everything for people he cares about and now its his turn to be helped out.
Im hopeful for an Arkham game with a fully playable Bat-family with a single player story/plenty of alternative suits/unique side stories, etc.... Im hopeful for Camoflague to make it, Rocksteady can too....id love a Batman Beyond game set in the Arkhamverse..... As always, keep up the delightful work! 😊🤩👍
That's my dream Arkham game and for me it'd be a sequel to Origins & Shadow and would feature all the maps from previous Arkham games (North, South, Knight's 3 islands, the Asylum, and Blackgate) but I think it'd have to be a flatscreen game not VR for it to be made by Camouflaj. On the other hand, I'm also totally open to a smaller sequel on the scale of Arkham City to Shadow made by them as Ryan Peyton (the director) said they believe it'd be possible to do an Arkham City-scale map on the Meta Quest 3.
What I did like about the game was the points you stated plus the missions where you are being hunted down by ‘Batman’. It gave me an idea of what it’s like for the criminals of Gotham when they know Batman is in the area in the Arkham verse and I was terrified to the point where I was almost shouting “WHERE ARE YOU!?!” at my screen.😂
Sweet Baby Inc. wrote the game, they had 13 writers from sweet baby so it's their fault and they try to cover it up and blame shefton hill when it was their fault. When batmans death was leaked and people got mad, they said no, harley doesn't do that it's like this if you play the game the right way the justice league lives and flash does a flashpoint at the end of the game doesn't happen no and they did the same with the justice league being clones they saw it online and ran with it. It is not the old rocksteadys fault people need to say, sweet baby, and the new rocksteady. This is not the same rocksteady that made the arkhamverse I really want people to know this
They also said oh batman has more lines and nope because then the game frist dropped sweet baby inc actually killed batman in the story and because of that they didn't record any more with Kevin so when they want oh justice clones yeah batman didn't get anything because they didn't record more stuff for batman when we killed batman they wanted it to be the real batman the real arkham batman
From gameplay standpoint, it was very formulaic and generic, as mentioned, each season was just a copy of the last, same modes, same missions, they just added a new character story, some new skins, and then capped off with another repeat justice league fight as Brainiac. Like for a live service game it’s pretty bare bones on content. In my opinion what they should’ve done was have each season be new villains and new stories leading up to a finale with Darkseid and it could’ve been Brainiac serving Darkseid the whole time, something like that. They could’ve added villains like Granny Goodness or Steppenwolf, each building up to the confrontation with Darkseid and then have the justice league return. I think that would’ve been far more entertaining and would’ve gotten more engagement, but the writing was some of Warner Bros worst in a video game yet, it was shockingly shallow and not really compelling, it had potential with a corrupted controlled justice league, but the revelation of them being clones was stupid and makes zero sense, like when were they cloned? Where has the real justice league been this whole time? How did no one else notice? How did Wonder Woman not notice? Lots of questions, and answers probably not worth answering. I mean the Gods among us fighting game had a far better story, and the Arkham games were also equally well written, this game was really the lowest in just about every way.
I got it for free on ps plus. Combat- 7/10 fun and not repetitive, bosses- 3/10 the justice league was a joke except Batman, story- 7/10 great idea just executed poorly. Keep in mind I didn’t pay 70 bucks cause if I did these would all be half
They could have saved all of this embarrassment with one dlc cutscene basically this ROLL IT Guard: AYO BIMBO WAKE UP Harley: eh what happened? Guard: batman knocked you out real good Harley: b man? HA I KILLED HIM HAHAHHAHAHAHA guard: what are you talking about he beat you up in that theater where you did i don't know or care what Harley: (taking one minute to realise it was all a dream) *FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU* (role credits) And everyone would call it the best plot twist
in batman arkham shadow that figure that you see as you enter black gate for the first time you see the shadow figure. its batman's shadow it has purple shaded eyes and pointed ears it looks like it has spikes. i have seen every aspected of the game and it has no closing doors and no figures after you beat his shadow.
I like how you say "unfourtunate circunstances". The fact that they piggy back rode the Arkhamverse wasn't a circunstance, it was a choice. The fact that they disrespected the heroes, with the exeception of wonder WOMAN (wonder why), it wasnt a circunstance, it was yet another choice. The fact that they made a "it barealy holds together with duct tape and boggers" story it wasnt a circunstance, it was..whats the word im looking for?...oh yeah, a choice. People need to wake the f up and realise that game studios didn't make the games we fell in love with, developers did and when those developers are either gone or pushed aside for some sort of agenda then the games will be just as rotten as this one.
And in the end they ended up disrespecting Wonder Woman the most. Having her be the only one to die, thinking they were her genuine friends and not clones, and her last thoughts being that she not only failed but also got killed by her friend.
This is the big elephant in the room still with most IPs being ruined. The devs or writers are the ones making these decisions. Yeah they might have suits breathing down their neck, but why the insulting writing and bizarre decisions? It's all a choice and I do blame the devs just as much as I blame WB
@@kitothekito915 Wonder woman was WASTED not disrespected, go back to all the "deaths" and see how each of them is treated..actualy i wont have you go back to that bs of a game so here the recap; Flash? peed on, Green Lantern? stripped down to his boxers, Batman? tortured, had his phrase "i am vengance.." made fun off, the lamest most "WTF are you doing batman" bossfight ever and then lectured on and shot by a character that had no grounds to leture him or the skill to take him down, Superman? not even aknowledged as they move into Braniac. Now go see how Wonder woman died. Yeah she was wasted not disrepected, learn the difference.
I actually feel like they might just start another Batman series entirely honestly. Like yeah, they could say this game’s not canon and go from there, but idk, I feel like a fresh start might work better. Especially since it’s a new team, Kevin is gone, and Knight gave us a pretty good “end” to this Batman. They could always go back to the Origins games with Roger, but with Shadow kind of handling that already, a new Batman series seems more likely. It’ll still take on a lot of the gameplay mechanics (combat, stealth, etc…) of the Arkham games mind you, it’d be a spiritual successor of sorts, but a fresh universe with every potential story available to tell seems like a legit possible move.
If Rocksteady wants to repair their reputation here's what they need to do, leave Batman alone his story is finished, we've seen the beginning and the end, there's no need for his story to continue. Make a Superman game instead, people have been asking for a Superman game for years now, it's the perfect time.
I have heard MovieBob use 'Cannonicity' before. Not sure if it's an actual word or if he made it up though. Also... the whole The Justice League killed by Suicide Squad thing were all clone plot point was clearly a badly thought up retcon they didn't have the time, talent, or budget to properly patch into the DLC storyline after the backlash they got.
Yeah, but something that I've seen every single UA-camr ignore is that the audio logs do explain a lot. Like, the clone thing was discussed in the last episode, so we've had the confirmation for clones for a while. The Flash and Green lantern have a few audio logs of reacting to the stuff that happened for the entire time they were captured. The Batman experience explains that it was Superman that brought Batman back to join the League (it's implied that Superman did it as well to help Batman mentally due to their relationship in the audio logs). When Batman refers to his plan, he's referring to the contingency plans the squad used in Season 0. I do believe that this game shouldn't have been made, but it frustrates me when people ignore that there is more story explained, and then complain when they didn't look hard enough. As for why Slade killed a Brainiac as opposed to the League is because The League got blitzed by Brainiac due to the League trusting Superman and just walking into a trap. Whereas Slade has been training to be above Batman level skill, so the Deathstroke from this game is WAY overpowered compared to him in Arkham Knight. There's also the fact that Deathstroke had the element of surprise this time. The reason, btw, why Floyd was Black, and the entire Elseworld Deadshot was a thing is because this game started development in 2021, right after the first Suicide Squad movie released, and they were trying to cash in on Will Smith's popularity. Except that WB didn't account for the fact that Rocksteady had no experience doing something like this game, so they didn't think it would take 9 years to make the game. As for the clones thing, I do believe that the original idea was to have them have been the real League, but that Brainiac would resurrect them (as evidenced by the Flash adio leak that occurred before Season 1), but that after Season 1 (yes, I do believe that the decision to make them clones came pretty early after release, instead of it being a last minute decision like many think it is). This is why we did immediately have audio logs for the Flash and GL as soon as we saved them. But it's obvious that the ending we got isn't what they had planned, and that the abrupt end wasn't entirely a voluntary decision, considering we can outright see there were those three pods, and we know Kevin had more lines + the return of Batman was the VERY thing that made the fans know that the League was coming back.
I mean alot of fans agree they dont consider this game canon. Especially if some people say its not up to us and its rather rocksteadys decision. But think on this, rocksteady knew they messed up, so they wont outright decanonize the game, but they can distant themselves from it. And if they were in an interview talking about their games, most likely theyll talk about their 3 arkham games, and if suicide squad is brought up then one of them will most likely just dodge the question or change the subject
It would be in Rocksteady’s best interest to completely ignore this game and keep it moving. I do not think this will remain in canon. Barely anybody played it and everybody that did hated it.
Seen as though there were no lines from Kevin Conroy in the dlc, I think they switched up due to the controversy, and wasn’t their intentions to bring them back
If this game was set in an alternate universe, the story would've still been mid, but it would've fixed almost all of my gripes with it. I wouldn't have even cared if the Justice League of this universe stayed permanently dead if it was an elseworlds universe with versions of the characters that we'd never seen before, like Gotham Knights. Then things like the weird Deadshot retcon or Harley not being anything like the past games wouldn't have even been an issue.
You may want to give the company a second chance, but given the series of events that occurred with this particular game it is going to be a hard sell and an even harder hill to climb to regain their reputation and trust with the fans.
It's clear that they want to bring him back either as a long-time plan and/or a gotcha moment towards its audience. Well not only is it little too late it's also very clear that they are running short in money to give batman or even superman the proper cutscenes they deserve.
I'll give em a chance if they de-canonize SSKTJL... Even if they pull off a good Batman game, it's audience wouldn't fully know until the game comes out or we get a gameplay showcase that actually proves its quality and legitimacy. But prior to that, even if we forgive Rocksteady for this, the majority has either given up on this or are hesitant to give Rocksteady a chance especially if SSKTJL is still canon. Doesn't matter if you and I forgive Rocksteady, most people will not forgive until SSKTJL is off canon. Remove SSKTJL and Arkham franchise won't look like damaged goods. Take it off Rocksteady, take that stain off.
If Arkham Batman is alive than they should just make plan for a Arkham style Batman beyond game Just saying to redeem themselves And not hire sweet baby inc and actually hear what fans want and take the kill the Justice league game as a example of what not to do and learn from the mistakes they made and stop repeating it
I agree that the justice league looked cool and that if they make an arkham game set after knight they should definitely explore or even just tease them. I also wish that they just made a gotham knights kind of game where you can play as all the batfamily members including batman
"we waited 10 years , we'd have had 2 batman games by now" . Bro from asylum to city , two master pieces there was a gap of two years , we should have 5 goty arkham games by now . FIVE
Batman was nerfed because the bombs payload wasnt exposed, so he couldnt use the power winch to trigger a controlled explosion
Is he stupid?
😂 lol
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Lmao
Bruhh
The clone explanation makes zero sense for two big reasons. 1. When we find and save Green Lantern, he has a hole in his forehead, meaning Deadshot killed the real Green Lantern, but he got revived (somehow). 2. Wonder Woman used her lasso on evil Flash and he came back briefly as the real one at this moment. If he was a clone, how did he regain consciousness there ? What a mess.
i didnt play the game, but could braniac not clone like a thousand superman too? would that be a good plan for world domination? also when he clones green lantern, does the ring itself replicate for the clone too?
Gl still having a hole in his head is most likely a graphical glitch and can be compared to when batmans suit magically fixed its self and as for flash he was implanted with all the memories of the real flash so underneath all the brainwashing he would still be good i think
If I recall, the scene with King Shark wearing the ring might hint that it's a faulty copy? Idk@@marlow21
Yeah the big clone thing was just lazy way to clean it up but that's not even going to save the game
I think at the time of making this game there were no plans to bring back JL but after all the hate they had to bring them back
Can’t wait for that no damage run
I like how you were 3 seconds late to the party.
LOL good joke
@@GothamPaladin who said it was a joke
GP: welcome back to the batman series where if Bruce takes damage, I restarted
*Shoots Batman and GP destroys his systems*
Only your integrity takes damage 😂
The worst part about this is that Batman’s plan was to create clones - real living beings - to sacrifice to Brainiac’s mind control, doomed to die with all the other people on Earth AND he didn’t even include Wonder Woman for some reason? He also fully intended to sacrifice the Suicide Squad to buy them time so yeah.
This is grossly out or character for Batman and not thought out AT ALL.
I remember reading something saying don't cry because it happened smile because it's over😂
The ONLY thing rocksteady needs to take away from this “game” is that it is NOT canon to the Arkham verse
Multi-billion Dollar companies that blatantly disrespect the audience and the fans do not deserve our sympathy or our respect.
I get staying positive but I don't understand how so many UA-camrs defend the likes of Disney and many others, constantly going like, just give them another chance, just give them another chance...
Tbf, rocksteady isn’t a multi-billion dollar company. They’re a multi-million pound company. They’re English, not American.
@Yan-tz9pn Bruh, -.-
That's not the point to be focusing on, lol
They were never ment to be clones, they just did that because the massive backlash made them realize how much they fd up.
I think they were cause of flash in the story
@@gabrielarguello3282 If they were clones Batman at very least should get from a Braniac new suit stuffed with alen tech and new gadgets. Not even mention that one cutscene about Wonderwoman used her lasso on Flash.
@@ЮрийЗагуменнов-ш7ц i think the story is badly made cause flash has his finger cut off and then he has all of them
There’s audio files in the game that discusses them being clones before this episode even came out
how do you clone a lantern though? if the source of the power is the ring
Batman didn’t have clone final lines, because they were never recorded, because they were never intended.
The monologue before killing Batman, was too personal, and written by someone who hates Batman, which wouldn’t be written for a clone.
A Green Lantern Ring isn’t smart enough to recognize a clone?
Lasso of Truth didn’t reveal more information, or make him say “I’m not your Flash.”?
That’s before all other inconsistencies in the game. “Your DNA is the same Deadshot but different somehow.” That’s how science works I guess.
A Rogue villain pissing on Flash? Nope. If anything King Shark would’ve gone to do it, doing to copy previous actions to fit in, and Boomerang would’ve said “Nah, mate. Not this one.”
Just all a huge mess.
Yeah too many coincidence for me ro accept clone answer. We may never got the real answer, but this mess may make WB and Rocksteady to decanonized this game. Which gave me some hope
It would have made more sense to just reveal that Superman survived and found a way to undo all of Brainiac’s invasion. Or even better, make this its own universe and both the Arkham universe.
Even even better, this is revealed to be a bad dream, and thus, none of this ever happened. Now, this story’s existence will be set to be forgotten.😮💨
There are plenty of reasons for this game to not be considered canon, many of which you stated, but the most obvious to me would be Harley's creepy dialogue towards little Poison Ivy. She implies they had a relationship which simply wasn't possible, not in the Arkhamverse. I'd struggle to even call them friends, they barely interacted during the games and Ivy died in Knight so it's not like they could've gotten together after Harley's little healing journey.
Yes, but you see, the problem is that every writer now assumes that Ivy and Harley must be a thing in every universe, because... reasons.
Even when the end result is an adult creeping on a child, because I guess the writers think it's alright if they're both women?
Agreed. I think they wanted to portray a modern Harley closer to that audiences have grown to love over the years (fully over Joker, in/has been in a relationship with Ivy, and is relatively friendlier) but in doing so contradicted her depiction in the Arkham games.
Based on their few interactions in the series, as you stated, I'd hesitate to even call them friends - more like fellow criminals who've had several friendly and helpful interactions and Harley seemed way too co-dependent on Joker and even psychotic in the Arkhamverse for me to see her having broken up with him for some time and gotten with Ivy for a while.
It would've been fine if this game showed how she develops into that modern Harley away from that her Arkhamverse depiction but the game just has her already being like that and plays it off like it perfectly goes with what's been depicted before.
Kinda sad they didn’t do a justice league instead of suicide squad , I mean a jl game would explain how Batman join the justice league and see of them
O de los teen Titans
This game is not in the Arkham verse its in its own Arkham verse but not the one from the trilogy in my head canon
It's part of the "stupid timelines" collection that Batmite and Myx look at with shame.
Or you can say a failed elseworld
They needa put them squad rejects back behind bars bro, ain’t Harley Quinn still responsible for the murder of a daycare and shh?
I hope they didn’t forget that bcuz idk why Superman letting them roam free..
Arkham Harley is a basically a war criminal, yeah.
@ RIGHT, she’s probably the only person from the squad that actually deserves execution.
Not to mention that in Batgirl: A Matter Of Family, she literally helps the joker in getting the man to commit unalive and basically kill his daughter.
Arkham Harley gets away with killing children because she's a strong bisexual woman.
Not giving Batman a cutscene is a federal crime
to be fair the voice actor did pass away so they couldn't (rip keving conroy may you shine even in death)
@@yodalog202he recorded lines before he passed, they cut his lines out for some reason.
@@Joshda039 yeah but i dont think his lines would have been him talking about him getting captured and cloned i think that was a later decision for the story as in after he passed away
@@Joshda039because everyone kept crying about the game, they cut funding...
@@yodalog202 I don't think they recorded any extra Kevin Conroy lines, they're just lying to damage control.
😂Volition had one bad game , square enix (the division behind forspoken) had one bad game , one bad game can close a studio because of how expensive it is to make a video game
Does rocksteady deserve to close down no , but now im highly skeptical of any new games coming from the studio
It was bad, but at the same time, Rocksteady was damned if they did, damned if they didn’t. If they did add Kevin’s voice lines, people would say they should’ve just left Crisis as his last performance. Because they didn’t, people are saying they should’ve added them.
Deathstroke being able to take down Brainiac makes sense to me. Its the Leagues inability to do the same which puzzles me
By himself?
Neither makes sense
0:39 that voice crack 😂
😂
LMAOOO 😂
RIP robin and Wonder Woman
They can make it up to us by making a arkham red hood solo game
I think Rocksteady is going to need a serious blockbuster next if they have any chance to survive- if they can even survive this, it's not clear that they will.
Don’t forget that they killed Zsasz, clayface and mad hatter for this game
Also Ventriloquist.
@@themadtitan7603noooooo ventriloquits he is a relly cool character. Man Rocksteady is stupid.
This isn't their first game, they shouldn't be making mistakes.
Kevin was dead when this was made. This was clearly made because they had to apologize for killing batman like a dog and they didn't have the player numbers to do all 13 Brainiacs. This was just a slap dash ending slash apology.
I'm not defending the ending but the file and audio leaks show that the plan was to bring them back from before the game came out. In fact, there were supposed to be 5 seasons but it seems they cut the plan short.
@@themadtitan7603 I just don't buy it. It makes no sense! Why wasn't wonder woman a clone? If this was Batman's plan it's really stupid! Why would the JL lie in waiting and let billions die! Just to pop out and steal the glory on the last Brainiac?
@@Ryx1990hey just because they wrote that as the plan doesn't mean the plan was good just look at the product they made.
@ It was Superman's idea to go into Brainiac's mothership and convince him to stand down with Batman being in doubt before relenting. Wonder Woman and Flash (initially) were the only ones who managed to escape, which is why the former isn't a close and actually died. Finally, the JL weren't just waiting, they were in Brainiac's captivity before somehow escaping and laying out Brainiac (I don't think the cutscene even explains how) where it's then revealed the Suicide Squad killing the different Brainiacs and the clones was part of Batman's plan to defeat Brainiac and escape.
In short, they made Superman out to be oblivious to a likely potential trap so that the plot can happen & the Suicide Squad's actions were an elaborate back-up plan. You could think all of this is ridiculous or poorly conceived, but regardless, it was the roadmap they had mind from before the game came out. The devs even said Sefton Hill (the director) envisioned it as an Infinity War/Endgame like story where the heroes die and all hope seems lost before they all gloriously return.
@ To me this screams we fucked up and this was the plan all along. (wink)
You know what, I think they saw the clip of Batman making a contingency plan to stop Mr. Freeze who returns after 1000 years, and decided to do something similar to that for the DLCs. I bet they didn't watch the whole episode either, only the clip and went on with the "Suicide Squad was Batman's Plan B". And the clones never made sense.
You gotta realize that its not the devs fault. Its the directors who made the game, made the decisions and left the devs before the game was out.
Its honestly all threes fault wb rocksteady and the old directors are at fault cause lets be honest nobody asked for this kinda game the question why wb even gave the green light to this game but also rocksteady why would they even want to make it if they wanted to i wouldn’t know but as of now its going to be extremely difficult to come back from this imo.
@@NotwedsquidI agree I’m tired of babying Rocksteady when they have their own autonomy.
I really hope they say it's officially not cannon (look at the damn comics) because that would lead to better game options
As a Sonic fan, if one bad game determined the future then 06 would have forever killed the series. But now Sonic has rebound more than ever before with the newest games and movies. Give new Rocksteady another chance, they just might need to find their footing. Camoflauje came out of left field with a banger Batman game
I don't want it to be cannon i really really don't want it to be cannon please god let this game not be cannon
Now we just want a Batman Arkham Beyond or a prequel Arkham game that takes place between Shadow and Asylum
like the arkhamverse long halloween
Better yet a completely different and refreshing Batman game.
An Arkham Knight game. You work with Azrael to combat the Order of St. Dumas.
@@infernobat8325 I'd love that but I think it'd have to be a combination of The Long Halloween and Dark Victory given Arkham Shadow already adapted a big plot point of Harvey's turn into Two-Face.
No Arkham Batman's story is over it's time to move on from the Arkhamverse. We've seen the beginning, we've seen the end, his story is done. Why not make a goddamn Superman game for once?
How about no more Arkham!?
They need to move on and create a new universe.
Changing my last name to Williams now 💀 Great vid GP!
haha thanks bro!
Should have just made a Justice League or Batman beyond game set in the arkham universe.....Or just make a good game and not whatever the he'll kill the justice league was
I already had problems with with Arkham Knight's story, and Suicide Squad's was god awful (But Knight is *MILES* better than it). So I have zero faith in Rocksteady to make a good DC story if this is what they can muster now. At this point, they either need to bring back Paul Dini, the writers from Arkham Origins, or the writers from Arkham Shadow, cause I'm not getting burned a third time.
This all feels like a parody of the Arkhamverse that it’s time to consider it non-canon and never trust Rockstedy again. And it’s quite embarrassing how Gotham Knights was more better and understood the Batman lore than this smh
Wonder woman was done dirty
Not only she's the only one who died for real but she died thinking her friends were lost and after watching some of them "die"
Just make it an Elseworlds story and in the Arkhamverse the League defeated Brainiac because they had seven members (I love the League in the game, their interactions and designs, but I don’t like how small it is, Seven founders minimum).
I feel sorry for the suckers who not only paid 100 dollars but bought skins! Wow that sucks!
This game entirely feels like it's not in the arkham verse lol I want them to make an arkham origins trilogy (third person games) starting with an arkham origins remaster leading into the remakes of the og arkham games
This Curse is finally over and now I’m just going to say it, No, this Ending doesn’t Fix Everything or Redeems the Arkhamverse, in fact this was just Rush, Lazy, and Cheap, Rocksteady should stay away from DC as I’m never trusting them or any so called RS and SweetBaby Inc. Worker ever again and I’m done saving Rocksteady Forever and even if you retcon it it’s not gonna save this Tainted Peace for Crap, MK1 is better than this.
Writing for this game was one the wall especially with the story it went with the base game.
Lesson WB & Rocksteady should take away from this;
They shouldn't think they know any better and dismiss great writers like Paul Dini.
Sure, they got away with it once with Arkham Knight (but even then it was criticized as worst writing in all the Arkham series), but they were totally exposed with SSKTJL.
Suicide Squad killed Rocksteady
Its insane how much potential this game had, the amount of new characters ans new lore they coudve added was insane, hopefully rocksteady can get back on track, bc I know they can make good games.
Having Arkham Batman still be alive is great but does that fix the game whatsoever absolutely not. Their biggest mistake was making this game in the Arkham verse when it would’ve been less hated if it wasn’t. Like this game is absolutely nothing and Arkham Shadow a game that respects the previous games was so well received why bc it showed passion for the universe. Just a waste of a game and I’m glad I never bought it. They better leave Camoflaj in charge of continuing the story from Arkham Shadow.
It would have been cool if we saved the justice league and would be able to play as them
I think it would’ve made more sense if this was an alternate universe where things are similar to the Arkhamverse but with certain twists like in the game. And then maybe switch WW and Batman’s roles, this universe’s Batman dies and then have the other Lex Luther and the true Arkham Batman come in the help and then have this Batman stay in the universe to honor his doppelgänger and keep Arkham knight’s ending intact with him “retiring or dead”
Yeahh ! I have a similar headcannon
Im am prepared to give a new Rocksteady game a chance on a new Batman game that may or may not be released in 10 years.
But i am far more excited for a Shadow sequel from Camoflaj.
Either option is good with me!
Love that the question is in the title and the answer in the thumbnail lol
Im becoming a Marvel Rivals UA-camr if there's a SSKJL 2
Real talk why bother with the clone thing? Like Arkham Batman is back but what’s the point if you won’t do anything with him from now on?
But at least I respected them for continuing update until it’s finished instead of just shut the server down.
You one of my favorite content creators rn bro 💯
Can’t believe I got the premium edition of this game.. rip $110
They got yo a zz 🤣
If they had any idea what they're doing they'd roll out the justice league as playable characters
Thank you, i was waiting for this video from you. Im enjoying the game, mainly for the story but now seeing how it ends, ima just finish right away
Imagine if Damian is introduced because of what happened to Tim in this game...
Don't give anyone ideas
Good idea @@GothamPaladin
Well,that's a nice idea,dispite the crappy story.😅
Well technically that shouldn't even be able to happen since Talia died in Arkham City. That feels like it would just undermine the ending of that game a little bit by bringing her back just to introduce Damian Wayne. Then again, bringing an al Ghul back from the dead is what they do best.
Dude, your thumbail is better than the cutscene itself
Ngl, i like the idea where Superman comes to help batman resurface after Knight, but i think it shouldve been done better,
like how in a Batman comic where they showed Arkham Batman after knight was depresed, and i think Superman after realizing Bruce is Alive, he brings the Batfamily to help Batman up, out of his depresion, he sacrificed everything for people he cares about and now its his turn to be helped out.
Im hopeful for an Arkham game with a fully playable Bat-family with a single player story/plenty of alternative suits/unique side stories, etc....
Im hopeful for Camoflague to make it, Rocksteady can too....id love a Batman Beyond game set in the Arkhamverse.....
As always, keep up the delightful work! 😊🤩👍
That's my dream Arkham game and for me it'd be a sequel to Origins & Shadow and would feature all the maps from previous Arkham games (North, South, Knight's 3 islands, the Asylum, and Blackgate) but I think it'd have to be a flatscreen game not VR for it to be made by Camouflaj.
On the other hand, I'm also totally open to a smaller sequel on the scale of Arkham City to Shadow made by them as Ryan Peyton (the director) said they believe it'd be possible to do an Arkham City-scale map on the Meta Quest 3.
The Rocksteady that make the Arkham games is long gone. At this point just give the Arkham brand to another developer.
Once again. I rather play the Injustice games and Lego DC Super Villains than Kill the Justice league.
It’s crazy how both Lego dc supervillains and Lego Batman 3 did both the playing as villains and a brainiac story better then this game
@anthonycuevasproduction Yeah. But I also liked Injustice 2s as well, I will never forget how Brainac destroyed Krypton.
They just need to retcon this game in my opinion just toss it in the trash and pretend it never happened in the arkhamverse at all
Beautiful
What happened? I don't remember any self kill squad
The should’ve just said it’s a parallel universe to the Arkham verse
But not canon
All I ever wanted for this game is to be non canon
I think it's pretty easy for real Arkham fans to ignore and consider non canon
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
I love this video and channel
Thanks you for your video and channel
What I did like about the game was the points you stated plus the missions where you are being hunted down by ‘Batman’. It gave me an idea of what it’s like for the criminals of Gotham when they know Batman is in the area in the Arkham verse and I was terrified to the point where I was almost shouting “WHERE ARE YOU!?!” at my screen.😂
Sweet Baby Inc. wrote the game, they had 13 writers from sweet baby so it's their fault and they try to cover it up and blame shefton hill when it was their fault. When batmans death was leaked and people got mad, they said no, harley doesn't do that it's like this if you play the game the right way the justice league lives and flash does a flashpoint at the end of the game doesn't happen no and they did the same with the justice league being clones they saw it online and ran with it. It is not the old rocksteadys fault people need to say, sweet baby, and the new rocksteady. This is not the same rocksteady that made the arkhamverse I really want people to know this
They also said oh batman has more lines and nope because then the game frist dropped sweet baby inc actually killed batman in the story and because of that they didn't record any more with Kevin so when they want oh justice clones yeah batman didn't get anything because they didn't record more stuff for batman when we killed batman they wanted it to be the real batman the real arkham batman
This is the truth and not enough people are speaking about it as not to hurt the feelings of devs
@MikeSandersonVideos thank you, man. I am glad that you understand
Ill give them points on the design for Deathstroke
And thats it
From gameplay standpoint, it was very formulaic and generic, as mentioned, each season was just a copy of the last, same modes, same missions, they just added a new character story, some new skins, and then capped off with another repeat justice league fight as Brainiac. Like for a live service game it’s pretty bare bones on content.
In my opinion what they should’ve done was have each season be new villains and new stories leading up to a finale with Darkseid and it could’ve been Brainiac serving Darkseid the whole time, something like that. They could’ve added villains like Granny Goodness or Steppenwolf, each building up to the confrontation with Darkseid and then have the justice league return.
I think that would’ve been far more entertaining and would’ve gotten more engagement, but the writing was some of Warner Bros worst in a video game yet, it was shockingly shallow and not really compelling, it had potential with a corrupted controlled justice league, but the revelation of them being clones was stupid and makes zero sense, like when were they cloned? Where has the real justice league been this whole time? How did no one else notice? How did Wonder Woman not notice? Lots of questions, and answers probably not worth answering.
I mean the Gods among us fighting game had a far better story, and the Arkham games were also equally well written, this game was really the lowest in just about every way.
I got it for free on ps plus. Combat- 7/10 fun and not repetitive, bosses- 3/10 the justice league was a joke except Batman, story- 7/10 great idea just executed poorly. Keep in mind I didn’t pay 70 bucks cause if I did these would all be half
They could have saved all of this embarrassment with one dlc cutscene basically this ROLL IT
Guard: AYO BIMBO WAKE UP
Harley: eh what happened?
Guard: batman knocked you out real good
Harley: b man? HA I KILLED HIM HAHAHHAHAHAHA
guard: what are you talking about he beat you up in that theater where you did i don't know or care what
Harley: (taking one minute to realise it was all a dream) *FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU*
(role credits) And everyone would call it the best plot twist
in batman arkham shadow that figure that you see as you enter black gate for the first time you see the shadow figure. its batman's shadow it has purple shaded eyes and pointed ears it looks like it has spikes. i have seen every aspected of the game and it has no closing doors and no figures after you beat his shadow.
I like how you say "unfourtunate circunstances". The fact that they piggy back rode the Arkhamverse wasn't a circunstance, it was a choice. The fact that they disrespected the heroes, with the exeception of wonder WOMAN (wonder why), it wasnt a circunstance, it was yet another choice. The fact that they made a "it barealy holds together with duct tape and boggers" story it wasnt a circunstance, it was..whats the word im looking for?...oh yeah, a choice. People need to wake the f up and realise that game studios didn't make the games we fell in love with, developers did and when those developers are either gone or pushed aside for some sort of agenda then the games will be just as rotten as this one.
And in the end they ended up disrespecting Wonder Woman the most. Having her be the only one to die, thinking they were her genuine friends and not clones, and her last thoughts being that she not only failed but also got killed by her friend.
This is the big elephant in the room still with most IPs being ruined. The devs or writers are the ones making these decisions.
Yeah they might have suits breathing down their neck, but why the insulting writing and bizarre decisions? It's all a choice and I do blame the devs just as much as I blame WB
Wonder Woman was disrespected wdym. Her death was in vain and she was the only JL member to die
@@kitothekito915 Wonder woman was WASTED not disrespected, go back to all the "deaths" and see how each of them is treated..actualy i wont have you go back to that bs of a game so here the recap; Flash? peed on, Green Lantern? stripped down to his boxers, Batman? tortured, had his phrase "i am vengance.." made fun off, the lamest most "WTF are you doing batman" bossfight ever and then lectured on and shot by a character that had no grounds to leture him or the skill to take him down, Superman? not even aknowledged as they move into Braniac. Now go see how Wonder woman died. Yeah she was wasted not disrepected, learn the difference.
And, so, the entire Justice League was finally saved by, ohhhh, let's just say... Moe.
What pisses me off the most is that Harley of all people was given the last monologue, I'm just so sick of Harley Quinn man
Facts
I actually feel like they might just start another Batman series entirely honestly. Like yeah, they could say this game’s not canon and go from there, but idk, I feel like a fresh start might work better. Especially since it’s a new team, Kevin is gone, and Knight gave us a pretty good “end” to this Batman. They could always go back to the Origins games with Roger, but with Shadow kind of handling that already, a new Batman series seems more likely. It’ll still take on a lot of the gameplay mechanics (combat, stealth, etc…) of the Arkham games mind you, it’d be a spiritual successor of sorts, but a fresh universe with every potential story available to tell seems like a legit possible move.
If Rocksteady wants to repair their reputation here's what they need to do, leave Batman alone his story is finished, we've seen the beginning and the end, there's no need for his story to continue. Make a Superman game instead, people have been asking for a Superman game for years now, it's the perfect time.
Trust me
They will decannonize the game eventually
Once they do better opportunities for dc games will open for them
I have heard MovieBob use 'Cannonicity' before. Not sure if it's an actual word or if he made it up though. Also... the whole The Justice League killed by Suicide Squad thing were all clone plot point was clearly a badly thought up retcon they didn't have the time, talent, or budget to properly patch into the DLC storyline after the backlash they got.
Yeah, but something that I've seen every single UA-camr ignore is that the audio logs do explain a lot. Like, the clone thing was discussed in the last episode, so we've had the confirmation for clones for a while. The Flash and Green lantern have a few audio logs of reacting to the stuff that happened for the entire time they were captured.
The Batman experience explains that it was Superman that brought Batman back to join the League (it's implied that Superman did it as well to help Batman mentally due to their relationship in the audio logs).
When Batman refers to his plan, he's referring to the contingency plans the squad used in Season 0.
I do believe that this game shouldn't have been made, but it frustrates me when people ignore that there is more story explained, and then complain when they didn't look hard enough.
As for why Slade killed a Brainiac as opposed to the League is because The League got blitzed by Brainiac due to the League trusting Superman and just walking into a trap.
Whereas Slade has been training to be above Batman level skill, so the Deathstroke from this game is WAY overpowered compared to him in Arkham Knight. There's also the fact that Deathstroke had the element of surprise this time.
The reason, btw, why Floyd was Black, and the entire Elseworld Deadshot was a thing is because this game started development in 2021, right after the first Suicide Squad movie released, and they were trying to cash in on Will Smith's popularity. Except that WB didn't account for the fact that Rocksteady had no experience doing something like this game, so they didn't think it would take 9 years to make the game.
As for the clones thing, I do believe that the original idea was to have them have been the real League, but that Brainiac would resurrect them (as evidenced by the Flash adio leak that occurred before Season 1), but that after Season 1 (yes, I do believe that the decision to make them clones came pretty early after release, instead of it being a last minute decision like many think it is). This is why we did immediately have audio logs for the Flash and GL as soon as we saved them. But it's obvious that the ending we got isn't what they had planned, and that the abrupt end wasn't entirely a voluntary decision, considering we can outright see there were those three pods, and we know Kevin had more lines + the return of Batman was the VERY thing that made the fans know that the League was coming back.
I mean alot of fans agree they dont consider this game canon. Especially if some people say its not up to us and its rather rocksteadys decision. But think on this, rocksteady knew they messed up, so they wont outright decanonize the game, but they can distant themselves from it. And if they were in an interview talking about their games, most likely theyll talk about their 3 arkham games, and if suicide squad is brought up then one of them will most likely just dodge the question or change the subject
It would be in Rocksteady’s best interest to completely ignore this game and keep it moving. I do not think this will remain in canon. Barely anybody played it and everybody that did hated it.
I will miss this game
If the Suicide Squad was Batman’s plan, why wasn’t Robin let in on it? Why did he get separate instructions in the Batcave?
just be glad were prob going to get a JL game were u play as the surviveing members and u rebuild ur rep
You should do a video on how this game could’ve been saved
Seen as though there were no lines from Kevin Conroy in the dlc, I think they switched up due to the controversy, and wasn’t their intentions to bring them back
If this game was set in an alternate universe, the story would've still been mid, but it would've fixed almost all of my gripes with it. I wouldn't have even cared if the Justice League of this universe stayed permanently dead if it was an elseworlds universe with versions of the characters that we'd never seen before, like Gotham Knights. Then things like the weird Deadshot retcon or Harley not being anything like the past games wouldn't have even been an issue.
You may want to give the company a second chance, but given the series of events that occurred with this particular game it is going to be a hard sell and an even harder hill to climb to regain their reputation and trust with the fans.
One game ruined rocksteadys reputation beyond repair to the point where they are worse then ubisoft which is quite an achievement
The Wonder Woman they showed in the motion comic isn’t even the Arkhamverse Wonder Woman they really did not care
It's clear that they want to bring him back either as a long-time plan and/or a gotcha moment towards its audience. Well not only is it little too late it's also very clear that they are running short in money to give batman or even superman the proper cutscenes they deserve.
On God, they should’ve made a Batman beyond game when they had the chance
I'll give em a chance if they de-canonize SSKTJL...
Even if they pull off a good Batman game, it's audience wouldn't fully know until the game comes out or we get a gameplay showcase that actually proves its quality and legitimacy. But prior to that, even if we forgive Rocksteady for this, the majority has either given up on this or are hesitant to give Rocksteady a chance especially if SSKTJL is still canon.
Doesn't matter if you and I forgive Rocksteady, most people will not forgive until SSKTJL is off canon. Remove SSKTJL and Arkham franchise won't look like damaged goods. Take it off Rocksteady, take that stain off.
If Arkham Batman is alive than they should just make plan for a Arkham style Batman beyond game Just saying to redeem themselves
And not hire sweet baby inc and actually hear what fans want and take the kill the Justice league game as a example of what not to do and learn from the mistakes they made and stop repeating it
Live service games are the problem, and games that are set too high a standard, like Overwatch, Fortnite, and Marvel Rivals. We did this to ourselves.
This game is still terrible. The damage control Warner Bros did is laughable.
I agree that the justice league looked cool and that if they make an arkham game set after knight they should definitely explore or even just tease them. I also wish that they just made a gotham knights kind of game where you can play as all the batfamily members including batman
Is there a lore reason my gifted membership is ending soon?
"we waited 10 years , we'd have had 2 batman games by now" . Bro from asylum to city , two master pieces there was a gap of two years , we should have 5 goty arkham games by now . FIVE