I just wanted to say that I truly enjoy these types of podcasts with open discussion, it feels like listening to a group of friends just hanging out and talking hobby. Keep these going ! :) Also, bike theft is crazy here in Cali too. Not just for bikes and class 1 emtb, but especially for class 3 powered bikes etc. even though they’re not the same thing, it all gets bunched together when you talk about crime and theft. I think that around here, a lot of the bikes that let stolen belong to younger people (teenagers/high school age). But they’re riding around with $3,000-10,000 bikes (which alone is absolutely insane) and were never really given any lessons to 1) truly value what they have and respect it, and 2) were never educated on security and theft prevention. (Which likely is the fault of the parents). Education goes a long way, and we are way beyond “just lock it up with a bike lock”. Thefts are getting intricate, high tech, etc. Parents need to educate their families on crime prevention but local law enforcement has a duty as well to proactively educate the masses. I feel a lot of that is lacking
Rob, you're in the unique position with your forum and connections to set up some kind of database on your forum to add bikes if they would be stolen. As the emtb forum is used by people all around the world. Would be amazing to have such a possibility.
Problem with the UK is we have a reactive police service we don’t have a preventative police service! Last time I had a bike stolen the police gave me a crime number and said it wasn’t needed for them to come out…. Also if you listen to people who are interviewed who do these crimes they will all agree that the risk is worth the reward! As the punishment is very light and them actually getting caught is quite low…. Sounds extreme but if you look at countries who have very very harsh punishments for theft they have very very low theft crimes so it all goes hand in hand! I still don’t get why people use apple tags! It’s pointless if the person who’s stolen your bike has an iPhone they will be notified that the bike has an air tag in 10 minutes… so what’s the point! Lol criminals are not stupid but this all goes back to the fact there is 0 prevention and light punishments! I’ve had quite a few bikes stolen and all were locked up in garages and sheds etc and when they got stolen nothing was done about it I just got a crime number to claim on insurance….
It's terrible in the US now too. I live in Arkansas and had a bunch of bikes stolen in Bentonville a few years back. Luckily the community helped me out and I got my bikes back, but now I have completely changed the way I monitor and protect my gear now. Sadly the cops around here still treat bikes like $100 toys.
5:00 In chile we have the bikfy website, where we register our bicycle, claim if it was stolen, buy and sell registered used bicycles, which we know have a legitimate origin, because bicycle theft is very common here and we need to take care of ourselves in some way
Bosch Alarm story time... I bought one and fitted to my bike, it is kind of nice as it has an audible alarm and GPS tracking. However it is extremely poorly thought out by Bosch. When moving the bike in the van I have to enable "Travel Mode" otherwise the alarm goes off constantly. You then can't disable travel mode unless your phone has internet signal. I went riding in the north york moors at the weekend and with no phone reception I could not disable the travel mode. More annoyingly though - when you're cleaning the bike you have to power it on so that the alarm disables through your flow app on the phone. Every time you turn the bike on it automatically starts a ride, which means every time I clean the bike it syncs a 15 minute ride of wobbling about on the driveway to Strava. Or I have to enable travel mode, clean it, disable travel mode. Enabling or disabling travel mode reboots the entire bike. Because of this I just can't use the strava sync, but then as the rides show heart rate from my apple watch but don't include it in ride data, it's fairly useless for me anyway. It's great to see them offering an actual alarm and tracker, but a lot more thought needs to be put into how it works with the app - and I really wish the bike wouldn't auto-start rides when powered on and gave us a manual start/pause/stop option :(
I nearly bought my son that Neuron:On CF 9 in the Safari colour. Then Trek had a mega sale and we went that way 🤣 The other point with Canyon is the additional cost to get it : Required - a £20 box and £70 shipping.
Bike theft is common here in Tasmania and it's mostly drug related and I would say only half get recovered. the XCO/XCC, DH and EDR coverage is hopeless, no way I am paying for that.
they need Tile or similar sewn into every seat at the factory and a slot to put a tile in on cushcore at mid depth , a tile in the center of the handle bars , a tile compartment in the back side of cranks , just basically a stealth tracker pocket in every component of the bike
I once locked my bike up outside a big Asda and when I came out and tried to unlock it the key snapped in the lock, so I went back in and bought a junior hacksaw and cut the lock off myself there were hundreds of people walking by and do you know what, not a single person questioned what I was doing 😅 so honestly id say nobody really cares
My old Merida e160 had Di2 running off the main battery. I always left it in the granny gear and removed the battery when not in use. It never happened but I used to daydream about someone trying to make a get away on it from outside a cafe and spinning wildly without getting anywhere. You would hope ebikes are in a unique position to do something smart here.
It is even worse for motorcycles. Near here gangs of kids (15) ride round on mopeds looking for parked riders or follow riders in hope they park at services Folks paying for fuel have their bike stolen in seconds if not focussed
I am sure if motor manufacturers haven't already got a system where the bike will not switch on unless a pin is used to unlock it, a software update could be sent out to add this feature.
There are many things that the bike industry could do to make life harder for thieves. Also as riders there is plenty that we could do as well. Instead people just say "the police should do more" and shift the blame to avoid any responsibility. We all know that policing bike theft will never change. This instance of theft might actually be fantastic for average rider because it might light a fire under the industry and encourage them to do something about this problem. Considering that this was a targeted attack and quite successful every other team is now on notice worlwide that they will need to increase their security.
I had a bike stolen and I had a company saying that could recover my bike no problem pay them x amount up front and I’ll get a refund if they don’t even when I said the police knew where it was ( even though they had done nothing ) they still said they could get it back. Unless the bike company’s come up with something for the over priced bikes they sell it’ll all be down to the folk that spend there hard earned money to get there dream bike tracked .If you can only get a 2nd hand bike like me there’s the only certain deterrent available so it’s on me to decide but going forward if the industry actually gave a shit about the people it’s already ripping off then I think we’re all buggered
„walked around the market to buy an e-bike super cheap“… when the price is unreasonable cheap even for a normal person one might get in trouble for fencing… depending on the country and it’s legal system
All batteries should have a GPS tracker fitted from the factory and a database with a register of owners, some of the new NCM e-bikes come with built in GPS.
Am I right in saying that eMTB have Bluetooth? If that's the case, then thieves will scan an area or car park with their phones. If a Bluetooth signal is found, for example "Bosch Ebike App", then they know a ebike is in the van.
Well yes but only if those bikes are turned on, no? If those bikes are turned off, which they are, there shouldn't be any signal whatsoever even if what you said would be possible.
I have the bosch gps tracker on my pole , got it as soon as i purchased. More importantly, tho.....attempted to watch the world championship dh at fort William....absaloutey nothing , discovery espn etc had judo , ping pong , blind voleball and dwarf throwing ......but absaloutey nothing from the world dh championship.....shocking !!!!
Mine has a PIN code that needs entering before it starts, I have AirTag in the frame and rims. unfortunately that won’t stop them being stolen but you have to give it as much security as you can.
It fuels the insurance industry. I have a separate insurance solely for my ebike & my point is ppl just do not care about bike theft. At the end of the day ebiking is an expensive game.
The elephant in the room here is that the e=motors themselves have zero security built in. Imagine trying to sell a car (or motorcycle) without security .
being able to track a stolen bike sounds godd but in practise even if you locate the bike it is unlikely you will get the police to help you recover it...and if you try on your own you are asking for trouble. The real answer to this problem is for the Police to identify who pays the thief and where most of the bikes go. No progress on that intelligence.
Have these guys been living under a rock for the last ten years or what? There is already a viable bike registration scheme both here in the UK, Europe and North America. Then there is stuff like smart water which you can use to “stamp” your bike with an invisible marker which works together with a nationwide data base. This way you can effectively make your own “passport” for each bike you own. GPS tracker/ alarm systems are also freely available and most work really well in keeping an eye on your bike. Bosch have at least two security systems of note for their ebikes, which can effectively licked the motor if the bike is stolen. Finally, good ole fashioned D locks and industrial strength motorcycles chains and ground anchors can secure your bike at home. At the end of the day if some lowlife really wants to steal your pride and joy nothing short of mounting a 24 hour armed guard is gonna stop him but to say that owners of these bikes can’t take measure to better secure their bikes is disingenuous at best and a outright lie at worse.
I just wanted to say that I truly enjoy these types of podcasts with open discussion, it feels like listening to a group of friends just hanging out and talking hobby. Keep these going ! :)
Also, bike theft is crazy here in Cali too. Not just for bikes and class 1 emtb, but especially for class 3 powered bikes etc. even though they’re not the same thing, it all gets bunched together when you talk about crime and theft.
I think that around here, a lot of the bikes that let stolen belong to younger people (teenagers/high school age). But they’re riding around with $3,000-10,000 bikes (which alone is absolutely insane) and were never really given any lessons to 1) truly value what they have and respect it, and 2) were never educated on security and theft prevention. (Which likely is the fault of the parents).
Education goes a long way, and we are way beyond “just lock it up with a bike lock”. Thefts are getting intricate, high tech, etc.
Parents need to educate their families on crime prevention but local law enforcement has a duty as well to proactively educate the masses. I feel a lot of that is lacking
Rob, you're in the unique position with your forum and connections to set up some kind of database on your forum to add bikes if they would be stolen. As the emtb forum is used by people all around the world. Would be amazing to have such a possibility.
I just ordered the Strive:On Underdog last week! I'm so stoked to ride it! It's my first eMTB purchase. 🤘
Problem with the UK is we have a reactive police service we don’t have a preventative police service! Last time I had a bike stolen the police gave me a crime number and said it wasn’t needed for them to come out…. Also if you listen to people who are interviewed who do these crimes they will all agree that the risk is worth the reward! As the punishment is very light and them actually getting caught is quite low…. Sounds extreme but if you look at countries who have very very harsh punishments for theft they have very very low theft crimes so it all goes hand in hand! I still don’t get why people use apple tags! It’s pointless if the person who’s stolen your bike has an iPhone they will be notified that the bike has an air tag in 10 minutes… so what’s the point! Lol criminals are not stupid but this all goes back to the fact there is 0 prevention and light punishments! I’ve had quite a few bikes stolen and all were locked up in garages and sheds etc and when they got stolen nothing was done about it I just got a crime number to claim on insurance….
It's terrible in the US now too. I live in Arkansas and had a bunch of bikes stolen in Bentonville a few years back. Luckily the community helped me out and I got my bikes back, but now I have completely changed the way I monitor and protect my gear now. Sadly the cops around here still treat bikes like $100 toys.
5:00 In chile we have the bikfy website, where we register our bicycle, claim if it was stolen, buy and sell registered used bicycles, which we know have a legitimate origin, because bicycle theft is very common here and we need to take care of ourselves in some way
Bosch Alarm story time...
I bought one and fitted to my bike, it is kind of nice as it has an audible alarm and GPS tracking. However it is extremely poorly thought out by Bosch.
When moving the bike in the van I have to enable "Travel Mode" otherwise the alarm goes off constantly. You then can't disable travel mode unless your phone has internet signal.
I went riding in the north york moors at the weekend and with no phone reception I could not disable the travel mode.
More annoyingly though - when you're cleaning the bike you have to power it on so that the alarm disables through your flow app on the phone. Every time you turn the bike on it automatically starts a ride, which means every time I clean the bike it syncs a 15 minute ride of wobbling about on the driveway to Strava. Or I have to enable travel mode, clean it, disable travel mode. Enabling or disabling travel mode reboots the entire bike.
Because of this I just can't use the strava sync, but then as the rides show heart rate from my apple watch but don't include it in ride data, it's fairly useless for me anyway.
It's great to see them offering an actual alarm and tracker, but a lot more thought needs to be put into how it works with the app - and I really wish the bike wouldn't auto-start rides when powered on and gave us a manual start/pause/stop option :(
Crossbow. Extremely quiet and non lethal in most cases. Also impossible to trace
I nearly bought my son that Neuron:On CF 9 in the Safari colour. Then Trek had a mega sale and we went that way 🤣
The other point with Canyon is the additional cost to get it : Required - a £20 box and £70 shipping.
Be interesting to see a video on the mentioned kenevo mullet with the 62° head angle v the full 29 kenevo you built.
Bike theft is common here in Tasmania and it's mostly drug related and I would say only half get recovered. the XCO/XCC, DH and EDR coverage is hopeless, no way I am paying for that.
they need Tile or similar sewn into every seat at the factory and a slot to put a tile in on cushcore at mid depth , a tile in the center of the handle bars , a tile compartment in the back side of cranks , just basically a stealth tracker pocket in every component of the bike
manufacturers sell more bikes if they are stolen , are they on our team ?
I once locked my bike up outside a big Asda and when I came out and tried to unlock it the key snapped in the lock, so I went back in and bought a junior hacksaw and cut the lock off myself there were hundreds of people walking by and do you know what, not a single person questioned what I was doing 😅 so honestly id say nobody really cares
Pby cause your not black.
My old Merida e160 had Di2 running off the main battery. I always left it in the granny gear and removed the battery when not in use. It never happened but I used to daydream about someone trying to make a get away on it from outside a cafe and spinning wildly without getting anywhere. You would hope ebikes are in a unique position to do something smart here.
So the Bosch connect if it’s removed will the bike still work?
There are ways to fight this successfully but YT deletes details when described. These would be so called final solutions :)
It is even worse for motorcycles. Near here gangs of kids (15) ride round on mopeds looking for parked riders or follow riders in hope they park at services
Folks paying for fuel have their bike stolen in seconds if not focussed
bike theft prevents me spending big money on a bike,
I am sure if motor manufacturers haven't already got a system where the bike will not switch on unless a pin is used to unlock it, a software update could be sent out to add this feature.
Put apple tag into frame , unfortunately frame will work as emc shield so ideally somewhere where there is some metal/carbon openings
There are many things that the bike industry could do to make life harder for thieves. Also as riders there is plenty that we could do as well. Instead people just say "the police should do more" and shift the blame to avoid any responsibility. We all know that policing bike theft will never change.
This instance of theft might actually be fantastic for average rider because it might light a fire under the industry and encourage them to do something about this problem. Considering that this was a targeted attack and quite successful every other team is now on notice worlwide that they will need to increase their security.
I had a bike stolen and I had a company saying that could recover my bike no problem pay them x amount up front and I’ll get a refund if they don’t even when I said the police knew where it was ( even though they had done nothing ) they still said they could get it back. Unless the bike company’s come up with something for the over priced bikes they sell it’ll all be down to the folk that spend there hard earned money to get there dream bike tracked .If you can only get a 2nd hand bike like me there’s the only certain deterrent available so it’s on me to decide but going forward if the industry actually gave a shit about the people it’s already ripping off then I think we’re all buggered
„walked around the market to buy an e-bike super cheap“… when the price is unreasonable cheap even for a normal person one might get in trouble for fencing… depending on the country and it’s legal system
All batteries should have a GPS tracker fitted from the factory and a database with a register of owners, some of the new NCM e-bikes come with built in GPS.
Am I right in saying that eMTB have Bluetooth? If that's the case, then thieves will scan an area or car park with their phones. If a Bluetooth signal is found, for example "Bosch Ebike App", then they know a ebike is in the van.
Well yes but only if those bikes are turned on, no? If those bikes are turned off, which they are, there shouldn't be any signal whatsoever even if what you said would be possible.
@@VenoXj1 the signal lasts for a while after the bike is off in many cases then fully shuts down , on the levo is 1 hour from memory
I have the bosch gps tracker on my pole , got it as soon as i purchased. More importantly, tho.....attempted to watch the world championship dh at fort William....absaloutey nothing , discovery espn etc had judo , ping pong , blind voleball and dwarf throwing ......but absaloutey nothing from the world dh championship.....shocking !!!!
They should have bikes that have fingerprint start ups that won’t let the motor start, wheels/ cranks turn.without the owners fingerprint.
Mine has a PIN code that needs entering before it starts, I have AirTag in the frame and rims. unfortunately that won’t stop them being stolen but you have to give it as much security as you can.
No one care in UK. Insurance companies like it, bike sellers like it, lock producers love it- we all know why.
Sad times.
It fuels the insurance industry. I have a separate insurance solely for my ebike & my point is ppl just do not care about bike theft. At the end of the day ebiking is an expensive game.
The elephant in the room here is that the e=motors themselves have zero security built in. Imagine trying to sell a car (or motorcycle) without security .
being able to track a stolen bike sounds godd but in practise even if you locate the bike it is unlikely you will get the police to help you recover it...and if you try on your own you are asking for trouble. The real answer to this problem is for the Police to identify who pays the thief and where most of the bikes go. No progress on that intelligence.
At what point do y'all hold your police departments accountable even in America most big cities they are useless.
In Poland they will not have that kind of problems... It is safe here and we all know why... :)
Probably because police actually do there job.
Well , let us know. Why?.....
@@sarcritchlow you should watch more tv. They will tell you why... 😂
@@sarcritchlow I suggest big bs chanell... facts all day long...
Have these guys been living under a rock for the last ten years or what?
There is already a viable bike registration scheme both here in the UK, Europe and North America.
Then there is stuff like smart water which you can use to “stamp” your bike with an invisible marker which works together with a nationwide data base. This way you can effectively make your own “passport” for each bike you own.
GPS tracker/ alarm systems are also freely available and most work really well in keeping an eye on your bike.
Bosch have at least two security systems of note for their ebikes, which can effectively licked the motor if the bike is stolen.
Finally, good ole fashioned D locks and industrial strength motorcycles chains and ground anchors can secure your bike at home.
At the end of the day if some lowlife really wants to steal your pride and joy nothing short of mounting a 24 hour armed guard is gonna stop him but to say that owners of these bikes can’t take measure to better secure their bikes is disingenuous at best and a outright lie at worse.
Ebike content?? where are the ebikes? lots of bike park ebikes and DH mountain ebikes but the mass market ebikes are completely ignored.