@@MrCwalker No, not really. Not entirely certain that he cares, other than to show up occasionally as a moving cardboard cutout display to post his mug in a video, as all three did when the data mining Drivetribe website was still sort of up and running.
HEY this engine just needs a dry sump standalone electronic oil pump and system. But this customer issssssssss famous and has famous friends......... ............ .......... And Of course we can say this elaborate
The thing about the 2.0l V10 that is most exciting is the fact that this is real automotive engineering and while it's probably a dry subject for most, I would actually enjoy hearing about some of the development that is going on. The magic of UA-cam is often that peak behind the curtain and being able to 'see' real-life engine development would be so cool. Seeing both come to fruition would be incredible.
as an engineering student completely agree, and after watching this i understand why its taking the amount of time it is. developing something you already have a base for is hard enough, starting essentially from scratch with something as complicated as an engine is extremely difficult. especially with trying to keep an engine happy at as high of an rpm as this would rev. you can pay an engineer as much as you want but it wont make the development much faster, were not robots lol
post that 50 000 cost estimate brake down up and i guarantee, there are plenty of garages eager to quote you lower. and even if that offer comes from Africa, it would mean better tv. or collab with some mechanics on youtube to make a series about it. i can't even get my head around how to get up to that number to be honest...
Have a chat with Allen Millyard about building up a V10 based on a motorcycle engine. It would be smaller, probably cheaper, but adapting the gearbox is the tricky part, but Allen's a clever man.
The engine itself isn't the issue. They have a V10 ready to go. It's 30k to 50k to get the thing fully and properly _installed_ into the MX5. Having Allen on board to create a custom twin Ford/Volvo inline 5 (4 liter V10) doesn't solve the cost issue.
Love the idea. Sounds a lot like something Clarkson would've tried back when he was fitting 'vette V8s to blenders and rocking chairs (although the MX-5 is more up Hammond's street to be fair). But I see how 30 to 50 k is a bit much. So, yeah, don't rush either of the projects - but please, don't bin them either, just take the time it takes and let's have the world's first two V10 MX-5.
thanks for the update, Mike and Drivetribe team. I guessed that it would be just a waiting game for the mk 2 MX-5, but it was nice to hear more about that project, and get an update on the mk 1 as well. Looking forward to another video in 6/12 months time about the v10 projects.
When I was living in California, got to see a few Monster Miata V8 conversions. Those used the Mustang V8, or one from the Corvette. Wider wheels and tires under fender flares, and beefed up frame rails to handle the power. They would easily roast the tires, and probably get you in trouble quickly with a bit too much throttle. While the BMW motor sounds cool, you could end up with something undriveable.
Its quite mad seeing this happen but the engine development... just amazing they are cracking on with it. Being able to develop the a modular engine is that way, me (former MK1 MX-5 owner) and my dad (mechanic of 30 years) are both looking forward to see hopefully both being done!
the only people complaining about this not moving forward are those "bought, not built" people. they dont get that it takes labour and research to make a non-production engine a reality. wealth does not negate ignorance.
Is it just me or is the more interesting story that amazing design of the Connaught Type D. That car developed into a what if restomod. Seriously, that thing is awesome!
Perfect time for a update, I was getting curious about the project just the other week while watching the video of Izzy's Mini getting a upgrade, I'd completely forgotten about it before that video.
If you could spin this off to sell conversion kits for the swap, this might help you start a new venture. CANBUS adapter harnesses, brackets, different wires and little bits are all that’s left to make the project whole. If you’re that passionate about it, it might just be worth to take a chance on yourself!
Crank lubrication is easily solved by using a cheaper and simpler standard crankshaft. I suspect cooling is isn't actually temperature but sealing, VW apparently spent a lot of time keeping their VR6 coolant inside the right parts of the engine. It would be very interesting to see what Villers are doing. A real, working, 2.0 V10 would be awesome in a Caterham 7.
Don't rush it. Get it done. Let's hear that leetil V10 scream once it's done. Let us know what issues they keep finding too. That's always fun to hear about.
I bet that a lot of people would donate just to see it happen if you started a crowdfunding initiative for the NA with the M5 V10. I'm not quite familiar with the whole legal aspect of a project like that in the UK but it could be worth a shot and similar things have worked for other projects before.
Problem is would you rather donate to someone with mechanical talent, passion and ambition to do it and films the work instead of someone who pays a shop to do it and drives off with the car. But maybe thats just me.
Probably the best update yet. Thanks so much for sharing. Absolutely frothing for the Connaught but gives me more time to save up so no dramas. Plenty of other stuff I can be getting on with.
@@TachankaRUS762 It's probably cheaper to go for a T5 Volvo engine if they are some of them over there. You get a turbo'd 5 cyl of the box with more than enough power for a Miata, and you can easily build 3-400hp pretty cheap, which is a death trap in a Miata lol
Sorry Mike having dealt with engineers professionally before it is unlikely they will ever make a V10. They are doing Engineering Learning mode, they are enjoying the process of learning and not actually making something. It’s very common when you have engineers running the show and not business managers. What most likely happens is they will find something that they can licence to major brands but as ICE are on the way out probably not. It really is a business discipline thing and they don’t have it they will continue to change the goal post until it runs out of cash.
While all of this is (not) happening, I enjoy driving my 1996 MX5 with just 90hp. But it‘s in great shape and actually drives. Keep on dreaming. It may come to live one day.
PLEASE BUILD THIS CAR! Also Mike should pick up the torch for Richard hammond after the big 3 retire from the grand tour I think he'd be great on the GT
Ferrari in the past used a 3.0 lit V12. So a 2.0lit V10 is most interesting but expensive to produce as a 2.0lit Turbo 4 cylinder will do well in the power department up to 250-300HP.
10:05 I've got to this point and you really are covering the issues in some sort of fancy Chocolate. That V10 will never happen without a different block design and nobody wants to commit to making a crank for it
There is a very cheap, high revving engine that you could get from the US easily. That being the Cosworth Vega engine. If you got one of those with the matching transmission, put some bigger cams and ITBs on it and a modern ECU, you'd have a lightweight, 200+hp, 8000 RPM engine for the MX5. And it's roughly the size of the original engine. It's not a V10 but it would still be super cool. A bit more difficult would be to take two Cosworth Vega cylinder heads and have Dart or another company that makes custom blocks and cranks make a V8 block and crank. The Cosworth Vega is a timing belt engine, it wouldn't be too difficult fo have a V8 block built for those heads. And if the 4 cylinder can make 200 horsepower easily naturally aspirated, then the V8 should make 400 just as easily.
Whoa! Red flag time! We can’t fix the oiling problem, so we’re going with roller bearings as a band-aid method for getting around the problem. RED FLAG 🚩 - RED FLAG 🚩 - RED FLAG 🚩
I knew the S85 was a non runner. And the Connaught is a great idea, very elegant, but yeah that engine needs a lot of work. Still though, perfect world that's the one I'd like to see
Why didn't the smallest cog tale this on? It sounds like budget is affecting both cars to be honest and if you aren't getting it all for free you don't seem interested - that says a lot about your commitment to seeing it through.
put a v16 in a 350z that would be a crazy swap, also what theyre doing with the v6 sounds like what cosworth did with the inline 3 before building the valkyrie v12
Hey Mike, I take it that you're aware Mazda did have it's own series of small displacement V6 engines? This is the K-series V6, which came in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.5 litres.
The main problem is that the engine builder needs a market. Without a market, they aren't going to invest the money. It sounds like they have decided there might be a market for the V6, but not for the V10. Given the move to EV in smaller cars, they are probably right. I wouldn't bet on that V10 ever seeing the light of day...
This sounds like a middle manager explaining to his boss why he's not meeting targets 😂
Hammond is listening carefully!
@@MrCwalker No, not really. Not entirely certain that he cares, other than to show up occasionally as a moving cardboard cutout display to post his mug in a video, as all three did when the data mining Drivetribe website was still sort of up and running.
I'm not a middle manager, but this is exactly how I sound explaining why I haven't met targets
HEY this engine just needs a dry sump standalone electronic oil pump and system. But this customer issssssssss famous and has famous friends.........
............
.......... And Of course we can say this elaborate
PLEASE don't rush this! It would be a shame to skip important details! Love this engine, idea and the passion behind it.
The thing about the 2.0l V10 that is most exciting is the fact that this is real automotive engineering and while it's probably a dry subject for most, I would actually enjoy hearing about some of the development that is going on. The magic of UA-cam is often that peak behind the curtain and being able to 'see' real-life engine development would be so cool.
Seeing both come to fruition would be incredible.
as an engineering student completely agree, and after watching this i understand why its taking the amount of time it is. developing something you already have a base for is hard enough, starting essentially from scratch with something as complicated as an engine is extremely difficult. especially with trying to keep an engine happy at as high of an rpm as this would rev. you can pay an engineer as much as you want but it wont make the development much faster, were not robots lol
Skip to 8:40 unless you want a very long recap of what you probably already know
I'd also set speed to 1.5x
Thanks bro
Thanks
Thanks man
Thank you!
That v10 will never see the light of day again. It will get to V6 and call it a day.
A number of large corporate-owned YT automotive channels are running out of money. DT is no different. Agreed, it'll eventually be sold for scrap.
You’re probably right but I hope you’re wrong.
Yeah im not sure a market exists for a 2.0L V10. 1.4L V6, sure, but not 2.0L V10
Put a LS in it.
@@juliantaffa4089 Drivetribe aren't developing this for a market. It'll be a one-off project.
We need the V10 MX-5 to come alive, what a beast she'll be!!
DT, Never give up, and never stop!!
Meanwhile we can relax to the soothing sounds of the MX-5 slowing continuing to rust while we wait…
I’d chuck it a £1 to see the BMW v10 MX5. Just need another 49,999 to do the same.
58,200 subscribers to the channel. £1 each and then some spare for fuel.....
GFM setup! Find it by searching for Drive Tribe
post that 50 000 cost estimate brake down up and i guarantee, there are plenty of garages eager to quote you lower. and even if that offer comes from Africa, it would mean better tv. or collab with some mechanics on youtube to make a series about it. i can't even get my head around how to get up to that number to be honest...
me too
i better be alive when you finish the engine
The dinosaur juice will have run out by then
@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights one word. Alaska.
I love that they put up Mikes handywork on a wall at that car restauration business :)
Project Binky. But with an engine to develop.
See you all back here in 2034.
I completely forgot about this project until this video was posted.
I'd forgotten how terrible DT was until this video was posted.
Thank you for the update! The modular engine sounds super cool, but the engineering behind it must be crazy.
Get Allen Millyard on the job!
The real engineering guru
He’d have it done in an afternoon and also found a way for it to be 4wheel drive directly from the oil pump.
@@andyreynolds6194 lol
A project as ambitious as this is necessarily complex and it will take as long as it takes, I am sure that our patience will one day be rewarded 🙏
This isnt happening. Lol.
I love this project, very glad to hear updates on it! Keep it up guys! Wish you all the best and for those breakthroughs to come about!
That was a staggering amount of waffle…
Don't break the channel doing it. If it doesn't work, move on.
Have a chat with Allen Millyard about building up a V10 based on a motorcycle engine. It would be smaller, probably cheaper, but adapting the gearbox is the tricky part, but Allen's a clever man.
how? v8 is quit easy and v12 is also an option. but there no fairly modern streight5 motorcycle engine out there.
@@marekhild7192 he has converted twins into triples, triples into fours, etc. like I said, clever man
The engine itself isn't the issue. They have a V10 ready to go. It's 30k to 50k to get the thing fully and properly _installed_ into the MX5.
Having Allen on board to create a custom twin Ford/Volvo inline 5 (4 liter V10) doesn't solve the cost issue.
@@Hydrazine1000 Considering what Allen can do in his shop without any sponsors and funding, I'd say you're wrong.
I think a V12 would be easier than a V10 because to my knowledge there is no 5cyl motorcycle
So this is essentially the same as the last update. It exists, but you need time/money.
Really great that you are able to realize your dream. I hope everything works out .
Love the idea. Sounds a lot like something Clarkson would've tried back when he was fitting 'vette V8s to blenders and rocking chairs (although the MX-5 is more up Hammond's street to be fair).
But I see how 30 to 50 k is a bit much. So, yeah, don't rush either of the projects - but please, don't bin them either, just take the time it takes and let's have the world's first two V10 MX-5.
A 1.2 v6 corsa sounds like a fantastic idea😅
thanks for the update, Mike and Drivetribe team. I guessed that it would be just a waiting game for the mk 2 MX-5, but it was nice to hear more about that project, and get an update on the mk 1 as well. Looking forward to another video in 6/12 months time about the v10 projects.
Cool to hear it’s still going forward regardless of the pace!
And I’ll have to keep an eye out for the motorbike V6 as well!
When I was living in California, got to see a few Monster Miata V8 conversions. Those used the Mustang V8, or one from the Corvette. Wider wheels and tires under fender flares, and beefed up frame rails to handle the power. They would easily roast the tires, and probably get you in trouble quickly with a bit too much throttle. While the BMW motor sounds cool, you could end up with something undriveable.
Two V10 mx5's would be incredible, both perfect in their own wayy, I'm confident you can make it happen.
Its quite mad seeing this happen but the engine development... just amazing they are cracking on with it. Being able to develop the a modular engine is that way, me (former MK1 MX-5 owner) and my dad (mechanic of 30 years) are both looking forward to see hopefully both being done!
the only people complaining about this not moving forward are those "bought, not built" people. they dont get that it takes labour and research to make a non-production engine a reality. wealth does not negate ignorance.
Looking forward to see your progress 👍Still believe in you and your team 🎉
remember if you hire somebody you gotta pay em 50k +- every year and if you build a car for 50k its a one off.
Unless you turn it into a kit that you can sell to others who want the same.
Mike. This is LEGITIMATELY the story of everyone's first big project car I've ever heard in my life. 😅 Rb26 it
The hardest part in completing an insanely mad project is keeping common sense out of it. It sounds - and will sound - ridiculously awesome.
This is why the Inline 5 exists. Has some V10 characteristics but it is a lot more practical. NA 2.4 would work nice in MX5.
This is the best explanation of Time and Money I've ever heard
As long as the 6, and 10, end up supercharged I'll be happy. 12,000rpm supercharged screamer 😁
Set up a gofundme on this - definitely in for donating a few quid to see the BMW V10!
I like how the Jag your sitting on is being consumed by nature! 😆
Is it just me or is the more interesting story that amazing design of the Connaught Type D. That car developed into a what if restomod. Seriously, that thing is awesome!
Perfect time for a update, I was getting curious about the project just the other week while watching the video of Izzy's Mini getting a upgrade, I'd completely forgotten about it before that video.
Be a beast when its finished 😊
No problem if it takes time, i'll gather some money to get the engine when it will finally be out hopefully
They've got nearly 60k followers can't we just all throw a quid at it 😂
If you could spin this off to sell conversion kits for the swap, this might help you start a new venture. CANBUS adapter harnesses, brackets, different wires and little bits are all that’s left to make the project whole.
If you’re that passionate about it, it might just be worth to take a chance on yourself!
Fair to say the V10 is RIP. Next!
Crank lubrication is easily solved by using a cheaper and simpler standard crankshaft. I suspect cooling is isn't actually temperature but sealing, VW apparently spent a lot of time keeping their VR6 coolant inside the right parts of the engine.
It would be very interesting to see what Villers are doing.
A real, working, 2.0 V10 would be awesome in a Caterham 7.
Don't rush it. Get it done. Let's hear that leetil V10 scream once it's done. Let us know what issues they keep finding too. That's always fun to hear about.
Giving project Binky a run for it's money
Just get Hammond or may to write you a nice cheque 😂
I bet that a lot of people would donate just to see it happen if you started a crowdfunding initiative for the NA with the M5 V10. I'm not quite familiar with the whole legal aspect of a project like that in the UK but it could be worth a shot and similar things have worked for other projects before.
Problem is would you rather donate to someone with mechanical talent, passion and ambition to do it and films the work instead of someone who pays a shop to do it and drives off with the car. But maybe thats just me.
Probably the best update yet. Thanks so much for sharing. Absolutely frothing for the Connaught but gives me more time to save up so no dramas. Plenty of other stuff I can be getting on with.
Absolute quality mike .
I think you would get your money back. You could run a whole series alongside auto Alex and Phil, appearances at shows etc.
Go half way and do a 5 cylinder mx5!
With a Group B Audi 5cyl. 👌🏼
@@TachankaRUS762 That would make 0 sense and would be expensive
@@Rentta You can salvage them out of a Audi 80 quattro or Audi 200 quattro and boost them up to 600+ bhp
@@TachankaRUS762 It's probably cheaper to go for a T5 Volvo engine if they are some of them over there. You get a turbo'd 5 cyl of the box with more than enough power for a Miata, and you can easily build 3-400hp pretty cheap, which is a death trap in a Miata lol
Sorry Mike having dealt with engineers professionally before it is unlikely they will ever make a V10. They are doing Engineering Learning mode, they are enjoying the process of learning and not actually making something. It’s very common when you have engineers running the show and not business managers. What most likely happens is they will find something that they can licence to major brands but as ICE are on the way out probably not. It really is a business discipline thing and they don’t have it they will continue to change the goal post until it runs out of cash.
While all of this is (not) happening, I enjoy driving my 1996 MX5 with just 90hp. But it‘s in great shape and actually drives. Keep on dreaming. It may come to live one day.
Only found this channel because of the Connaught. I'd like to see their progress with the V6
PLEASE BUILD THIS CAR! Also Mike should pick up the torch for Richard hammond after the big 3 retire from the grand tour I think he'd be great on the GT
I'm just here to hear my man Mike say DROIVETROIBE repeatedly
DroiveTroibe? He's not Australian!
That’s Tim in that Connaught clip - the creator of the V10. I know him well so if you want to meet or chat to him get in touch!
I'm intrigued by the bush that is slowly consuming the Jaaaaag
Looks like you’ve got a decent shell for the Connaught lads to test the v6… might even rev higher that a S2000 by the sounds of it
We want this type of innovation!
Such a shame that the Connaught didn't make production. It looked great, sounded great, and had a cool name. I'd take one over a TT.
Ferrari in the past used a 3.0 lit V12. So a 2.0lit V10 is most interesting but expensive to produce as a 2.0lit Turbo 4 cylinder will do well in the power department up to 250-300HP.
10:05 I've got to this point and you really are covering the issues in some sort of fancy Chocolate. That V10 will never happen without a different block design and nobody wants to commit to making a crank for it
I can't wait to see this car and drive it in Assetto Corsa when someone inevitably makes a mod for it.
Thanks for the update!
There is a very cheap, high revving engine that you could get from the US easily. That being the Cosworth Vega engine. If you got one of those with the matching transmission, put some bigger cams and ITBs on it and a modern ECU, you'd have a lightweight, 200+hp, 8000 RPM engine for the MX5. And it's roughly the size of the original engine. It's not a V10 but it would still be super cool. A bit more difficult would be to take two Cosworth Vega cylinder heads and have Dart or another company that makes custom blocks and cranks make a V8 block and crank. The Cosworth Vega is a timing belt engine, it wouldn't be too difficult fo have a V8 block built for those heads. And if the 4 cylinder can make 200 horsepower easily naturally aspirated, then the V8 should make 400 just as easily.
Mike should go on a road trip to turkey, the hat is not it 😂, just kidding all the love to your work man
Wouldn't it be easier to build a bespoke chassis that the MX-5 body panels can be attached to?
I saw recently, a crash damaged LFA......
A great engine donor, if perhaps a little expensive!
its definitely not the first v10 mx5, but it'll be cool to see the 2L go in
I like the MX-5 but I'm solidly on the V10 MR2 side of the fence.
How about a five cylinder mx-5? It's right there in the name!
Whoa! Red flag time! We can’t fix the oiling problem, so we’re going with roller bearings as a band-aid method for getting around the problem. RED FLAG 🚩 - RED FLAG 🚩 - RED FLAG 🚩
There is so much waffle in this video. Could have been done in 5minutes
The sort of thing Alan Millyard does for breakfast.
Def a drive through Mac ds breakfast meal orange juice and extra hash brown
I don’t really care about the bmw v10 iteration, but man, I really hope that 2.0 comes to be, at some stage, in the future.
Wasted 10 minutes to find out this isn’t a project… just a dream… for views…
Please start a third v10 mx-5 project, Mike!
I knew the S85 was a non runner. And the Connaught is a great idea, very elegant, but yeah that engine needs a lot of work. Still though, perfect world that's the one I'd like to see
You should just give the existing 2 litre V10 to Allen Millyard. He'll get it running properly in no time.
You should install a Singer Heavy Duty 4423 power unit in the meantime 💪
I'm 36, I don't feel like I will live long enough to see that V10
i want to get an NA and swap a billet peripheral port 13B into it. The V10 is cool, too.
Why didn't the smallest cog tale this on? It sounds like budget is affecting both cars to be honest and if you aren't getting it all for free you don't seem interested - that says a lot about your commitment to seeing it through.
Can you guys start a crowd fund? I’d donate to it!
put a v16 in a 350z that would be a crazy swap, also what theyre doing with the v6 sounds like what cosworth did with the inline 3 before building the valkyrie v12
Hey Mike, I take it that you're aware Mazda did have it's own series of small displacement V6 engines? This is the K-series V6, which came in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.5 litres.
The main problem is that the engine builder needs a market. Without a market, they aren't going to invest the money. It sounds like they have decided there might be a market for the V6, but not for the V10. Given the move to EV in smaller cars, they are probably right. I wouldn't bet on that V10 ever seeing the light of day...
I think this should now be renamed the Cannot V10
🤣
86k people watched this video. Start a crowd funder and we can all pay 50p-£1
Now put a Cizter V16T engine in it
Are we just gonna ignore the fact he's wearing double denim and a chuckle brothers tash? 😂
Honestly, what I would like to see even more than a V10 engine in a miata is someone using 2 K24s to make a K48, now imagine THAT powering a miata!
A 3 litre V6 manual would be a great everyday driver with extra boogie
Just had a thought, as car loons do, how about a Jaguar Supercharged V6, from a wrecked F-Tyoe?