I agree. Man I bought the title of a 98 Toyota Avalon XLS off my grandma when she couldn’t drive anymore. It was my first car. This was in around 2015 or 16. So to me it was ancient. My brothers both drove it as I moved on to new cars, and they never kept it in the pristine shape that I did. And eventually it left our family when my brother sold it. It’s sad to say, but it’s a car that I appreciate far more now, now that I don’t have it. The interior was comfortable, it was quiet, smooth. Man those old Toyotas and their interior styling. Timeless and beautiful. Grateful to have owned one, not so grateful it’s not in my grasp anymore. What a classy car
JZS160 owner here I agree. Toyota build quality went south after 00s with all the Melting interior recalls, Rust frame recalls, Paint peeling, clear coat fading, 2AZ bore scoring, 2GR head gaskets and engine out jobs... 90s Toyotas/Lexus were as bulletproof as 80/90s Mercedes Benz.
i agree wholeheartedly, even my 2006 caldina is late model for me lol, it still manages to grab that 90s feel still, but i normally have had cars 2000 or 90s
Out of all those, the MK3 Supra was the best even though it was flawed from the factory unless it was fixed (headbolts). I picked the MK3 because out of all of the, it was the most reliable all things considered and easiest to work on. She has never given me trouble.
My hs parking lot had at least one example of each of these vehicles in the early 2000s. The 3000 gt, rx7, and 300 were all at the mechanic more than they were driven. I don’t remember the exact problems 20 years later but i do remember how cool those cars were.
300zx twin turbo was a great car as well. Reliable, awesome handling and brakes. My best friends mom in high school had a brand new one, I believe it was a 93, manual twin turbo, burgundy on black leather/suede. We pushed that car hard and it never asked for anything but tires and oil changes.
You help me first to notice, then appreciate the small details-the cockpit, the round colorful taillights, the placement of the side mirror, the carpet, no pop up headlights, etc. You are like a professional art critic speaking about a work of art and I love your passion and teaching style and all the small details u share with us. Thank you so much! I learned many new things.
So odd that he'd claim that it would lose a drag race to a Sienna minivan with kids in the back and everything. Totally false, I can promise you. Yeah, I own one.
This is going to be a long read but if anyone wants some intimate esoteric Supra knowledge and some important corrections please read on. I am an old school MKIV Supra owner here. I owned both a 1997 Twin Turbo 6spd and a 1993.5 Twin Turbo Automatic. You did a great job covering this car for someone who wasn't intimately involved with the car/community but there were a few issues. #1) The performance. Not fast by today's standards? The numbers don't lie? Which numbers? Not fast compared to a Mclaren 720S, a 911 turbo S or a Tesla Plaid... But the Supra turbo bone stock in 1993 C&D magazine went 13.1@109. One of the fastest cars in the world. This was faster than most Ferraris and most corvettes except the 70K (in 1993 dollars) ZR1 which was a tick faster. Even the LS1 C5 corvette which didn't even come out until 1997 was slower. A modern Sienna is a mid 15 second car. A car slower than even the n/a MKIV Supra which everyone agreed was an underpowered dog. So not sure what you are smoking there in that comment. In fact some MKIV members went high 12's bone stock on drag radials. That's faster than many modern sports cars. Then with roughly $900 in parts to go "BPU" (Basic Performance Upgrade) the Supra could run high to mid 11's at 121+ mph. These were ridiculous times back then for a nearly stock car. Faster than all Porsches, faster than all corvettes, faster than the fastest Lamborghini. Only a few supercars were barely faster. BPU is literally what made the Supra famous. A BPU Supra could go about 193-195mph. Something very few cars could do back then. #2) It was a popular misconception that the sequential turbo system started with a small turbo then spooled up a big turbo. I've read this countless places online but it's wrong. Both turbos are in fact identical. Ther system used an exhaust gas valve and an intake manifold valve that was pneumatically actuated to entirely block off one turbo in order to control the system. At lower RPM all exhaust and compressor output were isolated towards one turbo allowing very low rpm spool up and giving the car some moderate low end torque. At about 3500rpm the system began cracking the exhaust manifold valve open in order to pre-spool the second turbo. At about 4000rpm there was a slightly noticeable dip in torque as the exhaust energy began to be shared with both turbos and the second turbo fully came on line at about 4500ish+ RPM with a noticeable rush of torque. The system was fairly reliable stock but as the actuation was based on vacuum hoses you could lose proper sequential operation with any leaks as hoses aged. When the car was converted to "BPU" Basic Performance Upgrade which involved removing the cats via downpipe and installing a high flow exhaust along with a boost controller to raise the boost the sequential system became strained and problematic. First it was common to pop off/break old hoses or rupture the pressure holding tank. This would break sequential operation. But worse, now the prespool timing wasn't quite right and when the exhaust valve fully opened the second turbo lacked adequate prespool and the extra exhaust energy on the second turbo "slammed" it up to speed making the sequential transition much more noticeable but greatly impacting the reliability of the second turbo. It wasn't unheard of to have a turbo fail within a few thousand miles of "BPU". This is when people started doing the "true twin conversion" basically leaving the valves wide open in bypass mode so both turbos were online at all times. This solved the reliability issue but gave the car insane lag. At lower RPM you would literally have less than econobox levels of low end power. #3) Regarding the wingless/turbo badging. No US Supras received the turbo badge until the 1997 model year refresh. I don't believe any US wingless turbo cars were made after the 1997 refresh either, I believe most wingless turbos are rare 93-95 cars. Also no hardtop twin turbo cars were made for the US after 1995. All US 97+ Turbo Supras were Targa. And that targa meant FLEX and a lot of it. I remember jacking up my car and seeing a massive gap open up between the window and the targa rubber seal. Thats how much it twisted. And when you took the Targa off? Forget about it, it was noodle time. You could go down a bumpy road and literally see the windshield moving back and forth as the whole chassis noodled about. This is why the 93-95 Hardtop 6spd Turbos are highly desirable cars and also why there is an entire registry dedicated to hard tops. #4) VVTI 2JZ-GTE never came to US cars. I believe the first VVTI 2JZ-GTE's appeared around 1997 in the JDM market. #5) Yes the car was ahead of its day thanks to its electronics and weight saving measures. The Supra had a 50/50 weight distribution and even used hollow carpet fibers to save weight everywhere it could. You forgot to mention that even the hood was aluminum also (along with the AL parts you mentioned). That's why this car was sooo much lighter than the MKIII. A 1995 Twin Turbo 6Spd hardtop was under 3400lbs and the weight obsessing maniacs were able to get these cars down under 3200lbs. In the end the combination of all the above along with the most sophisticated 4 channel ABS in its day gave the Supra a C&D Magazine 70-0 braking record that held the C&D record for 12 years and only the mighty Carrera GT was able to dethrone it. #6) FInal Thoughts? Is it worth the hype? Is it worth 100K+? Unless you are a collector, absolutely not. The driving experience was not amazing even for its day. The flexy chassis and typical numb/disconnected Toyota steering made the car feel floaty and unconnected especially compared to modern cars. It really was more of a powerhouse GT highway cruiser and not so much a canyon carver. The powertrain feels especially dated (as are all turbo cars from the era). Even with the sequential system working perfectly the car never had an amazing power band or throttle response. If you could still pick these up for 30-50K then there is an argument to be made but at 150K+ forgettaboutit.
FWIW, i think you took pretty average quarter mile times from cars of the era and compared it to the best possible pro driven quarter mile of the supra(13.1). a basic stock supra was right on par with the lt1 c4 corvettes and f bodies of the time and definitely wouldnt keep up with the ls1 cars. i remember seeing them run at englishtown a few times. and it was much more expensive than those cars at the time.
K I’ll be commenting on the plethora of issues with this mechanic’s point of view when I put my child to bed, but seriously; the Toyota SIENNA is faster!?; this guy needs to reeducated on many of his models I’ve reviewed. Turbo Supra was 5.4seconds 0-60; Sienna 7.9. The real shame is that he reviewed a 1993.5 series one. Though I can appreciate using the first model there were so many updates up to 95’ and up to 98’ in the US market. For the poster I commend you for starting on all the items I was going to bring up. I’ll be back lol oh and laughable r154 as a better tranny compared to the v160 or 161.
I see you're spreading the old GT, rubbish handling narrative. I want to leave a comment from the Supra forums to provide a counter to this. I have thought about this in depth of why said millennials repeat stupid like some parrot with turretts that found a key of crack stashed in it's nest. I couldn't figure out how every mainstream mag that tested the car against it's rivals said it was FAR superior to every single rival that I quote, " Supra is so competent on track its boring...it runs circles around the competition...the other cars (Viper RT/10, ZR1, Ferrari 512TR, Porsche turbo, NSX, RX7, 300ZX, 3000GT VR4) fall apart at the limit but the Supra is easy to drive all the way up to 10/10ths...best handling car for any amount of money...The Supra's brakes were the only brakes out of all the test cars that had a firm pedal after a week of thrashing it..." With reviews like that where the Supra wins the comparo every single time and is preferred we get these vapid vomitbots that putrify anyone's ears that will listen how the car is sooooo heavyyyyyy and handles like stink on a stick and _ is superior in every way. The epiphany came to me a couple of years ago as to why this switch happened. Millennials don't read publications. They watch videos and play video games. And they were mostly born after all these reviews took place. To them the only version of the car they know is in Gran Turismo, the movie which may not be named, and what idiots on the internet say about the car. In the US the cars that predominantly take up the airwaves are drag cars that have their balance crushed and modded to a drag bias for which naturally ruins the car. And then the FB groups took over for them vs SF for the same reasons their visual appetite is so narrow for attention only wild builds with record setting numbers even gets attention in that format. If a modest (balanced) car gets covered in that format, all the comments are from 12 yr olds who can't drive, "bleh, overrated, heavy, pos, slower than___" because their only interaction with the car so far has been the movie franchise that will remain unamed and record drag cars for FB headline attention grabbing posts, and a video game. Playing on Gran Turismo, I investigated why is the Supra considered heavy and slow. GT3, GT4, GT5, Prologe, GT6, and probably GT7 the Supra weight distribution in the game was intentionally changed for the worse. I know this due to Kazunori Yamauchi (game designer) did a press interview about the game Waaay back around the release of the GT2 after it had massive commercial success. It even had a section in sema where sema show winners were put in the game. Kaz said, "We biased tuned the older cars down so they wouldn't destroy the newer cars in the game that the manufacturers were debuting. If the old cars are better then the kids playing the game will buy the older cars instead of the new cars the manufacturers were coming out with" When I heard this, I didn't realize at the time what I was seeing was the bias he was talking about. We OG's know the real balance from the factory is 53/47 f/r weight distribution. In all the aforementioned game versions, the Supra has a 60/40 weight balance. The Supra is under-tired from the factory, and that is exacerbated in the game with that ugly weight balance. You can't change tire width in GT. You can lighten the chassis which makes the balance worse, and fix it with ballast. But then I found another problem. The tire friction cof. If I buy a R comp in the game on the Supra, the car will not grip the same as a R comp with another brand of car. I tested this with braking distance. We all know the Supra Turbo had the braking record for 12 years, but someone didn't like that fact in Polyphony Digital. So they changed the braking balance. The car flat will not brake equal to any car in the game on the same tire. I have even turned the brake bias all the way up in the rear to 10 and the rears wont break traction. If I go 100mph and do a panic stop in a GTR it will stop abnormally fast. In the Supra it keeps going, and going and will eventually stop. The only version of the car in the game was the JDM RZ which had OPTIONAL track brakes that all US spec Supra Turbos get so that means the car will have fade and trouble stopping on the N/A brakes. The calipers show that they are turbo but the car stops like a N/A. If you get any of Kaz's favorite cars that he says in the interview is the SL mercedes and GTR's you can expect over the top handling and traction that is so unrealistic you wonder if he swapped the Mercedes chassis with the supra. The SL is a POS on the track and handles and brakes like garbage. Its all over the place and the body control is non existent. I have driven a SL55 AMG IRL. It is a decent car but is miles from a Supra dynamics wise. In the game though it is miles better than the Supra. Makes hundreds more horse power (ROFL) has brakes, handling, body control, and tractable power even at over 1000HP+ lol. GTR - forget eveything about this car in the game is fake.The real life GTR has a 60/40 weight balance. In the game? You guessed right, it is 55/45. So the GTR was modified to be better numbers and traction than the real car, and the Supra was modified to be worse. It doesn't end there. In GT6 you put a small turbo on a supra it makes about 5xxhp. Medium makes about 944hp. Large turbo guesses anyone? 1000+? nope. 937hp. You read that right. The medium turbo makes more power than the large turbo lol. We are lucky to even get that much. The power in the Supra went from 1088hp in GT2 to 9xxhp in GT3, GT4 made 8xxhp and GT5 made 744hp. The crazy thing is the GT5 SC300 makes 789hp with the GE engine. So the GTE is less powerful than the GE and less powerful with a large turbo. Heck ALL the Jap sports cars mentioned above have had a premimum version in all the GT series except for the Supra to this day. The new GT7 announced a premimum Supra is going to be in the game, but I bet $$ they didn't fix what you can't see; which is the chassis dynamics. Talk about a sore loser Kaz. It is so painfully obvious to me now why the millenials are saying what they are saying. Unfortunately his bias was not limited to the Supra. The SC chassis is even worse. The car is even more under-tired than the Supra from the factory and that weight balance was changed from 57/43 to 65/35. Ballast won't fix it. The car is nearly undriveable in the game. FWD cars like the ITR or CTR are not even that bad and have a better balance than that. The SC is one of the worst handling cars in the game. MR2 Turbo, same story, chaser, aristo, basically all the Toyota cars are stink on a stick dynamically in the game except for the ISF. The ISF can and will run circles around any Toyota product in the game including the Supra and the LFA. If there is no manufacturer stroking here you can call me Mickey Mouse🤡🐭. The actual game is OK other than that, but honestly that is enough to ruin the experience for me completely. I don't buy the game to beat it. I buy it to drive my fav cars on tracks against other cars to relax, veg out, get seat time and keep my skills sharp. Unfortunately that will be relegated to a PC experience that I am afraid isn't any better. It seems all virtual versions of the Supra are modeled after the one in GT. :( Looks like this drivel will continue for some time until cars like BIGNUMTT and others like him get more mainstream attention and change the narrative back with actual old and new reviews. And call out Kazunori Yamauchi publicly for this discrepancy. Because bottom line, the way he crapped all over Eiji Toyoda's legacy is criminal. Eiji Toyoda was the passionate man that brought Toyota to the behemoth it is today with sheer passion and craftsmanship. Eiji was responsible for Japan competing with the world. After he passed away his replacement Katsuaki Watanabe in 2005 was then replaced after the acceleration scandal with the prius by the original founder's grandson Akio. Akio has not produced a single sporting product since he took the reins in 2009. Now we are going to have Kazunori highlight and prance this crack baby bastard child A90, GR86 and GR Yaris in GT7 further erasing the pride of Japan of Eiji's legacy over Akio's half baked lame slough attempt at a sporty vehicles that none of which are even made by Toyota. Encourage incompetent leaders mistakes and destroy competent passionate leaders triumphs, where have I heard this stink story before? Time to get earplugs...
@@X50505 The whole industry operates like this. Everything is based around marketing, fake sport appeal and fake times and reviews. I drove a 7:48,3 in an Astra K 200bhp on the Nürburgring. GPS Tracked and on Video in Full HD with G-Sensors and so on. After a few days my times got removed (my times for older, slower cars never got removed) because I wasn't backed by a publisher or manufacturer. Shortly after the times for the brand new ford fiesta st and Golf R we're publicly marketed (5 and (yes it's alot) 24 seconds slower - even with the advantage of 50-100bhp more). Even "amateur" times for these cars are recognized. A random ape on youtube drove a 8:32 in a 300bhp golf on the 19,1km layout and on the second lap the engine overheated. Apparently he doesn't need backing from manufacturers or magazines. My times we're removed because they let a 68.000€ Golf R shitbox look overprized and laughable next to a 40k Astra. That's it. I stopped making any efforts towards racing since and focus now on motorcycles. Time to leave the ship. The scene changed. The target audience changed. The world changed. And there is no place for racing dinosaurs, manual gearboxes, passion or peak 90s car engineering. Lobbyism can't be fought or outpaid. Modern cars are heavy, regulated, full with interrupting electrics and you'll gonna like it or they will cancel you. And ty for your post. I always wondered why the supra felt like a boat (never driven a real one) and comparable cars like the 300zx we're much more in line with what they should be.
In regards to the wing. I asked my friend who collects Supras and he said he noticed more automatics with the turbo didn't have the wing and more manual transmissions with the turbo had the wing. Not sure how accurate that is. Keep up the great video AMD!
One theory. Wing was stolen and trunk heavily damaged. P.o. probably replaced it with wingless trunk, because 1) some owners did that at the time not knowing it will become classic look, 2) to prevent future vandalism. Many wings were stolen from many cars in the 90s..
The wingless option was a factory option. My 93 tt 6 speed did not come with a wing, it was definitely more common in the 93 and 94s for whatever reason. It did not have anything to do with the engine or trans
It's such a beautiful car. We'll never get anything ever again that looked like this. No computer screens on the inside and a pure driving experience made for car fans.
No need to be disrespectful as the person commenting above and i dont want to be that guy but there is plenty of cars to choose over a Supra that will give you "more" in every single sense of the word. From other Toyotas to Porsches to Hondas to Lotus to Volvos.. There is even plenty of much cheaper options from Toyota that you can choose from such as the GS, IS, Aristo, Chaser, SC, etc..
I love your “I act like a contrarian, but am not a contrarian” attitude towards other people’s cars. You say good things about what you like while also backhanding that same point at the same time
What do you mean? He clearly stated he loved MK3s more and gave a very fair review to the MK4. I own an MK3 myself and I get his point of view a lot even though it's generally a less reliable car (though fixed, it's pretty damn good which mine is)
My car care nut, really liking your videos and the Toyota content. I was a Lexus Dealership technician until I started my own thing and I really appreciate how honest you are.
I owned two 80’s versions of the Supra. One thing I never forgot about the car was how amazing the seats were. The drivers seat was perfect to my 6’1” height and frame. Just perfect. Had a squeeze ball pump for the lumbar and it was great. I have never, ever sat in any car that had the quality of seating that my Supras had. I could drive that car all day long and not feel lousy stepping out of it. Only about 150 hp but I enjoyed them at that time.
The first time I saw one was in 2000 in a game called gran turismo 2 . 11 year old me never thought I would own one 15 years later. Mine is a GE about to be forced fed for smiles per psi
Regarding the rear wing, according to the '93 Supra brochure, "Color-keyed rear spoiler" was "optional" on the Turbo model, and "not available" on the non-turbo Supra.
people like unpopular vehicle of the past. priced at $45k in the 90s it was priced like an entry Porsche, Corvette, and other high performance vehicles at the time. Same problem with ZX and RX7. Gen2 Supra is my favorite with red interior. in final days dealer were offering $8k discount from MSRP and I wish I bough one and kept it inside the garage since it's now fetching $100k 🙂
As a Toyota technician, I remember fondly when this Supra came out in the early 90s in Germany. It was awesome to see And all of the turbo versions came with the huge rear spoiler. Keep up with all the great videos
Great video! This is the reason I truly love my '99 Lexus SC400. It has over 200,000 miles, is a thrill to drive, and I don't worry about any collector status.
Great car to have at a tenth of the price with a 2JZ. I always wanted a MKIV, but I'm not that dumb, not paying S-Class prices. Instead, got myself a 500HP supercharged monster, an S55 AMG for MUCH lower than a 90's 'yota.
@@abel4776 My 19-year-old son was a huge Lexus fan. He had two SC400 cars with the brilliant 1UZ V8. Unfortunately, he passed away while on a road trip with a friend. I quickly learned the beauty of the 1UZ. I grew up with the R107 and W123 Mercedes cars and used to really want a 560SL. I love my '99 SC400.
@@KaiPonte Sorry for your loss. Yes, as a millennial, I grew up on the R107 (450SL), what a car. Also have an 01 Avalon and an 06 Highlander, great A to B beaters and I try to have them showroom clean. But I have considered an SC... Well see :)
@@lordt78 It came out when I was a teenager and was my favorite in high school. Have my 4runner for daily reliability, that one to relive my youth on the weekends lol
I brought in summer of 1986 a 86-1/2 Supra non-turbo manual trans had it until '91 when we had our third child. It was my first and best Toyota i ever own.
I wanted to buy one but prices are insane. So i bought a T-Top 1990 n/a Nissan 300zx (manual transmission of course). Im not disapointed. Beautiful car and very fun to drive. I think the 2JZ is a better engine than the VG30. But the rest of the car. I think the nissan had many advantages over the supra.
Cool choice. I went with a very nice 88' Supra NA/auto myself. Not the most desirable of cars, but for the shape it was in, the price was worth it ($8K) My brother has a 300ZX in the same color but he never drives it. It's obviously a much more powerful car, but I honestly like the MK3 better all around.
The SC300 deserves honorable mention - as many parts are interchangeable - I had a 1995 - put the big brakes from the supra turbo with updated GS350 wheels, new supra lower control arms, and the supra TT seats as my stock seat motor was broken. There used to be a company in Tennessee that would redo all of your gauges - you could go for updated color combos and fix the notoriously common burnt out needle indicators on the speedo. You could do matching dash/climate/radio color themes. In the US - the SC300 got the 2JZ-GE (not the GTE) with a different intake manifold that wrapped over the top of the engine - so it wasn't as clean looking. It was a SLOW car with only 220hp, but comfortable and solid. Most SC owners tend to hang onto them. The SC300 had the 2JZ-GE while the SC400 had the V8 or 1UZ for about 280-290hp with a weight penalty. Only the SC300 could be optioned with the five speed - so those tend to command a premium. You can also do the Japan/Australia - Toyota Soarer 1JZ swap - it's the turbo 2.5ltr...that was the same car as the SC300 the US got under the Lexus badge; Some guys opted to keep the stock 2JZ-GE and go with a bolt on aftermarket single turbo... Sadly the SC300 used to to be the budget Supra - but - that best kept secret was out by the mid 2000's - so I think well kept and correctly/tastefully modified versions = pay a premium.
Yep! I have a 99 GS300 with the 2JZ-GE. Toyota used it in a few cars. I would LOVE to find a SC300 with a five speed!! But most of them have been hacked up and used hard. And they still want Supra money for them!!!
They are the "poor man's Supra" (not sure where that puts the MK3) They are still extremely cool, but command much lower prices even though they are still quite high. I wanted to buy one before my MK3, but honestly I didn't like the look/interior remotely as much as the MK3. I made the right choice.
Totally agree, the spoiler was pretty much an option that most Supras were ordered with it, so the few that didn't were unicorns. My uncle ordered a 2000 Celica GT-S without a spoiler, and that was against the grain at that time (99.9% of GTS have one and it is technically an option). Of course, he ordered it from Toyota themselves, so they can circumnavigate certain restrictions that dealers can't.
I have been waiting for you to do this video. Well done as always. I've owned five MKIVs. Everything from stock to 1500whp. Truly one of a kind automobile. My current one I purchased stock from its original owner. Has 29k miles on the clock. Don't plan on ever selling it. I understand you completely when you say that they aren't worth the hype. I agree, in stock form. But.... get behind the wheel of one that is fully built, utilizing the right components and tuning with a large framed single turbo such as an 88mm and you will see why they are legends. This level of build is not for everyone, but regardless, the experience is hard to match. The power is not smooth and gradual but rather violent in nature. It is something you can't put into words; you have to experience it for yourself. That being said, not comparing them to today's sport automobiles and instead putting them against cars from its time, the MKIV performed superior to its competition. Let us not forget what they were able to accomplish in the 90s and early 2000s, both at the track and drag strip. Setting countless records, even to this day. And for the OGs reading this who experienced the "golden era", you know the names of "Walser Supra", "SW", Titan, WOTM and the list goes on.
For being a well off country, the USA always gets screwed when it comes to the auto industry. Every time you hear about a great engine, or vehicle, it isn’t available in the USA.
I've been waiting for this video. I've owned 3 Supras in my life (85-MKII, 98-MKIV NA, 93-MKIV TT6). They were my childhood dream car. I was in high school (97-01) when the MKIV was discontinued. As soon as I was able to afford one, I bought it. I've spent the last 20 years wrenching on them and will keep it forever.
I was into this car before Fast and Furious regret not getting a used one I checked out around 2001 for the low 20s. They still look good today. Got a ride in that Supra it was modded....definitely had some turbo lag from a roll but once going really pulled hard.
I wish I lived in your state and you were my mechanic. I learn so much from you videos. Please keep up the GREAT work. Many blessings to You and your family! Best, Ron Larson
Back in the 1980's I worked at a Toyota Dealer ship in the Body shop. I worked on the MK2 Supra. They were a great car built so Well. and great looking! In 1989 I bought a 1986 Mk3 Supra and I still have it! Mk3 is my favorite Supra! I wax it once a year. and I love the sound of the straight Six! Mk4 is a cool ride Too! I Like your Videos on the Supra!
I"m a total purist too when it comes to the cars i love. I remember this generation Supra well and i know i'm going to get a ton of hate replies but to me these weren't that good looking. The generation before this from 1986 1/2 to 1991 i thought were so much nicer inside and out. These look so bubbly and Ford Taurus like. Why people pay all the money for this generation is mind blowing to me but you like what you like i guess.
Me too. I remember seeing this car in the magazines back in 93’ my friends and I thought the car didn’t look That great. There is nothing to be sorry about when it comes to the looks of the car. Everyone has their own opinion. To each their own!
I love sports coupes the Supra, the Eclipse , all Japanese sports cars are well built. Its the best era for cars that reliable and not over complicated as kong as you don't turbo them !!!😂
The MK4 Supra taillights are timeless. The MK4 with the wing is gorgeous from behind. My brother has a modified one, a really nice example. No rust, 550hp, single turbo. It didn't disappoint me in the slightest when I drove it. I loved how it drove.
The rear wing was a factory installed option. Meaning, it was an option that they would incorporate with the car as it was built on the assembly line. Different from a dealer installed option, which is also a possibility but is installed at the dealership that is selling the car prior to delivery to the new owner. Also factory installed option was a 7 speaker premium audio with a double din head unit and cd player in addition to the cassette tape. Standard audio was 6 speaker with a single din tape player. All premium audio supra have leather seat front and rear. 93 to 96 supra only have a "supra" badge. 97 to 98 supra turbo will have the additional "Turbo" badge. All JDM supra only have the "supra" badge and none will say "turbo". They also don't have the "toyota" script on the left side.
Love the Supra of that era however, if you want ground breaking technology then I feel you should do a review of the ‘91 NSX. That is my favourite sports car of the 90’s
The answer.. Yes, the drive and the feel are 100% different from other cars in it's class.. not to mention how much better it feels to drive than a lot of newer sports cars.
This is why I respect AMD so much!!! I’m a Nissan skyline purest. Own an 1992 Nissan Skyline GTR (R32) and soon be a 2002 Nissan Skyline GTR (R34) here in Texas. He goes into details and doesn’t bash other manufacturers like skyline etc. My RB26 has a lot of work done to it and makes 925 WHP. One I love about the 2JZ is how well it can handle big horse power on a stock top and bottom endZ
Sorry, but I strongly disagree. The Mk4 Twin Turbo was insanely fast! 320HP back then was unheard of!! I LOVED driving that car!!! I worked at a Toyota dealer in the early 90s... I have driven the first 4 generations of Supra. I loved the MK3, but the MK4 is my fave car of ALL TIME!! And I want it stock!! Fast and Furious made it unaffordable though! I recall someone that bought a Twin Turbo, Manual Shift WITHOUT a Spoiler. It was very uncommon, but it could be ordered that way (atleast in Canada). It was a Beautiful Silver Targa to boot!! The owner cherished that car.... likely still has it today.
Legendary sports car/grand tourer. Magnesium alloy steering wheel. Gas-injected rear spoiler. Hollow carpet fibers to cut down on weight. Absolutely over-engineered and way ahead of its time. The Getrag 6-speed, and iron-block 2JZ were darn near bulletproof. The stock brakes were really powerful and effective as well. They definitely don't build them like they used to, (cars in general).
actually the MKIV Supra was built to be a road race car as which why it did so well against the Viper RT10, the corvette ZR1, and the porsche 911 turbo and even the RX7 in handling. heavy is a relative term when considering the cars from that time.
i drove a 1994 Toyota Chaser Mark 2 Tourer V one time and I'll forever have that in my dreamcar list. The whistle from the two turbos it had in it and the thrust it had was enough to make me want one. Just such a smooth engine
Is it worth the hype? Absolutely!! The 2JZ engine has become as famous as the car itself and is an icon of performance and reliability. There is absolutely no substitute for this engine in cars of this era. Add in that this was the hero car in the first movie of the biggest car movie franchise in history and nothing is comparable. Fools know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
agree, try to find a car nowadays like these 90s supra... Non existent basically people will pay high prices modified or not, plus few will let them go and hoe the trend is going they will become more desirable
What an absolute privilege it is to see content of this calibre mate. I don't think I've ever seen a car video on this level before and I practically live on youtube lol. Simply marvellous and thoroughly enjoyable. Well done mate keep it up!
I agree getting expensive too much. But it has come to a point where there are few Supras for sale that people will pay high prices modified or not. We Gotta remember that cars like this they don't do them anymore and if you single turbo it they still very reliable and still be on high performance cars of nowadays.
I know that this is a Toyota channel but I wish there was a similar one for other Japanese lines, such as Mitsubishi, DSM and Subaru. Most channels devoted to those lines are by and for tuners and modders, which is fine but it would be nice to have a channel that reviews stock versions of these cars. I'd love to see someone like you review old classics like my '92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD (manual, of course). Like the Celica, SVX and MR2 I've always seen them as kind of "kid brothers" to classic Japanese muscle cars of that era like the Supra, Stealth, NSX, etc., built around inline 4's instead of V6's.
Wingless: in 93-94 they were optional on Turbos as well. Turbo script didnt show up till 97. And they were placed on the same side of the Supra. This car you reviewed is missing the ‘Toyota’ script on the driver side.
@@vipraz119 You are correct about the turbo script not showing up till 97 but you said it’s missing a “Toyota script, and it’s missing because they don’t come with it. 93-96 came with the script Supra and 97-98 came with the script Supra turbo
Just watched this video. The thing that stands out to me about the Supra from the 90s was its motorsport pedigree. They actually didn't use this motor due to it being to heavy. The race cars in Japan used the 3S 4 cylinder engine and dominated the competition. That is what made me love the Supra. Kinda wished Toyota had the 3SGTE engine option from factory if you didn't want the 2JZ
I have a 2004 Lexus IS300 with a single precision 6266 turbo. I love it just as much as the supra if not more. I believe the IS300 is the most modern version of a supra you can get.
It's EXTREMELY cool getting this in-depth with a MKIV. Myself and many others would love to have them, but you know what? I thought a cool MK3 Supra was even better and I could afford it along with upgrading a lot of stuff. Yeah she still leaks water and has some very minor issues, but She has been the car of my dreams and hell she is STILL a Supra without the price tag. Either car is amazing, but MK3 is what most normal people can afford and if you find a nice one, man it is beyond worth your money for the experience. Also "A targa is cool until it's not" you said, it so true on my Supra. Most of them were sold with it, but they are the bane of every owners existence now.
use "magic erasers" for the interior - they do a really good job removing the gloss off the steering wheel and other areas. and dont use leather "conditioners" just clean the leather also with "magic erasers", leather is already covered in a synthetic material and doesn't need conditioning like if it was naked leather on a leather jacket, it is not naked. this advice comes from a professional detailer i ran into. conditioners just make the leather more caked up/dirty and glossy. just a wet magic eraser will do. some of them have all purpose cleaning solution in the magic eraser sponges. you can also use your own all purpose cleaner but really you just need a bucket of water to rinse the spong off into and squeeze the dirt out of the sponge into. just squish the sponge flat in your flat palms and dont bend it in any way, no twisting, they are relatively fragile. get the magic erasers rated for 'heavy duty' or so. whats great about these sponges is their unique texture that really rubs dirt off surfaces with much less effort. it has the right kind of abrasiveness without doing damage to anything and you need to do much fewer passes than if you used a regular sponge or a rag.
I own both, 90’s and current year Toyotas and Lexus vehicles. You cannot be let down by these vehicles. 90’s Toyota have a hard plasticky feeling with cassette players and an engine that can keep running for 300-600K plus mileage
Good review. The only thing is that they were very fast & don't know where you get the "slower than a Sienna". I took my stock 1994 TT Supra and ran with a passenger a 13.08 @ 108.88 mph at Budd's Creek Maryland in 1994. But mine was a daily driver 6-speed.
Yeah as smart as he is, it through me for a loop saying it's slower than a sienna. 😅 there is no way. My 97 lexus sc300 was pretty fast for 225 hp. Had a 146 top speed.
Get the MK3 while you still can. Find a really nice one and love it for what it is. You will get so much of this and an amazing car at the time while they are still remotely affordable.
That Supra is in incredible condition especially underneath. Amazing little under carriage stuff they carried over to Mark V like front arch vents, all covered areas, exhaust split.
Drove one when they first came out , its a gt car. Big heavy car, not inspiring in the twisties , but fast for the time and very expensive. For the price of this you could few year old porsche turbo at the time. Celica gt4 is alot more fun to drive, but we never got the last gen. Great engine but only good for straight line. The race car didnt use a 2jz but a 4 cylinder to impove the handling.
@@beexiong2995 Mr2 is quick fun car, but scary handling at the limit. Celica is awd, with the same engine, so it is heavier then MR2 , but with the right drive style alot easier to handle at the limits and more forgiving. No, lift off oversteer, wear the only thing you can do is hang on for dear life. But still fun at 8/10th. But you never see them on track, Autocross sure.
I had two 2 1985 Toyota Supras. One I brought from a Jamaican mechanic who worked at a local Toyota dealership. It was a milk chocolate brown color. No dents or rust. I put m50x15 tires on the rear. The mechanic had the car in tip-top condition throughout. 5 speed manual. My Sgt. kept bugging me about selling it which I did. Should have kept it. I've had close to 70 cars mostly Toyotas. Four 1992 Tercels. One with a JDM 1.3 turbo motor. A kid heard its blow off valve and pestered me until I sold that one. The other had a black top JDM motor, manual. A stock 1985 GTS Corolla, manual. Oh so many cars👍🏽 I was also into Mopar muscle cars. I've had every V-8 from the 273 to 440. Except the Hemi. I'm older now, let me shut up before I become depressed... I too am a Christian. I enjoy your videos. Very professional and informative. Your utmost for HIS highest...👍🏽👏🏼🙌🏽
Thankyou for your honest opinion, I also love supra’s even since I saw my first one in white color , it was beautiful, these days we rarely see these older cars on the road
In 1994 I was a sales manager at a Seattle area Nissan dealership, The 300zx TT was a good seller for us throughout the 90s. The Z was a superior performing car on paper and in fact. The VG was the first mass production V6 Japanese engine, it is known.
Cool video it would have been good to not though that the JZS147 Aristo was the first Toyota model with this engine. It had a Hydro fan and electronic nitrogen assisted brakes. It also had the fuel tank behind the rear seat.
As an owner of both an all-original (with rebuilt engine) stock MA70 and a 1JZ swapped MA70, I am always jealous of the build quality of the JZA80. Everything just feels so much smoother, looks more modern and replacement parts are still fairly easy to come by. Everything for an A70 is discontinued or as expensive as Adamantium. As for this car's badge, I think it's made to order and Toyota preferred to put a turbo engine in the front of a chassis meant for a nonturbo, instead of covering up the already drilled holes in the boot. (I guess in 1994 you couldn't just swap the hatch as it may just need to be color matched for Toyota's standards but I'm unsure of the painting process and qc at that time)
I would love to see "Top 10 Toyota" video based on your knowledge and opinion with any subject like: engine,transmission,overall powertrain,design,interior,fails,win...
I have a '93.5 Premier Edition Supra TT 6 speed wingless that I bought from the original owner. As the original owner he leased it. For '93.5-95 Supras, the wing was indeed an option and since he leased it, he didn't want to pay the addition fee to add it. I eventually added an OEM wing since IMO it's what made the MKIV Supra an icon. These cars are special and are expensive because can't build another one like it. All classic cars are slow and outdated by today's standards. This is what makes them special is because they are from a specific era, where it's from the 1930, 40's, 50, 60's through the 90's.
Here in the uk we only got the fully loaded turbo model so it came with a wing, active front spoiler, ceramic turbos, glass headlights, and oil cooler for the differential which is mounted in that air vent by the rear wheel. Not sure were your getting your performance figures from but 0-60mph is quoted at 4.6 secs and deristricted 177mph much quicker than a v6 camry
Hey, thanks for the video! Definitely a great car. Although I think I made the right choice in getting a mk5... i still want one. the mk4 is such a special car. And the price of a clean one nowadays shows how desirable they still are. Thanks again for your channel. Can't wait for the next video!
Just going to say, Enjoy your Supra! But if you ever get the chance, try an MK3. it's not going to be anywhere near as fast, it's not a fast sports car, but it's really a drivers touring car and it's so damn comfortable while looking amazing with no fake plastic body stuff.
My father had a 92 Lexus SC400 fully loaded. Autostart, K40 radar detector built-in, phone, phenomenal Nakamichi sound system even in today's times. Considering both cars were considered Grand Touring in a sense, the Lexus car was a much more desirable car. Just the sound of the engine itself!🤯😎 That Lexus was arguably one of the best cars ever made. I will say I had a 91 Acura Legend Coupe that was Better Built material wise. It was like a little mini NSX. As the Car Care nut said and he wasn't kidding, cars today aren't made nearly as well as they were back then.
I have one of these, well an RZ model and it’s an event when I drive it! Great cars and it reminds me that Japan was just building greatness back then!
Inspired by Toyota 4500GT prototype. The JZ engine was one of the first Z series engines made by Toyota. First one of course the UZ in Lexus LS400 and also the TZ in Toyota Previa. After that many other Z variants including RZ, NZ, SZ, AZ and ZZ.
In my 95 Gs300 it makes 220 hp 210 torque more than enough to cruise at hwy speeds 80 - 100 quite easily and will top out close to 150 mph..it was just lethargic off the line till it hit 3000 rpm. But what makes the GE amazing is the horsepower is nothing for the block which can handle 600 - 700 hp without modification. So with 220 hp or so the engine virtually is indestructible as mine will hit 300k miles next year and still runs fairly quiet
I have been Soarer 1jzgte automatic, nice ride. Toyota automatic handel lott of power, in dragrace. And i have 1992 SC400 Lexus, that is same bodystyle than Supra... now that is "raving"Supra automatic. 1uzfe push hard; tuned...
Yeah, that's what I heard as well. The Turbo model came with the wing, while the n/a did not. Maybe there was a way when the customer special ordered it to have come without the wing? 🤔
SKyline! ... only heard about those after watching the anime Initial-D show featuring 80's Toyota Trueno Sprinter E86, quite a few years ago, which got me interested in JDM cars. Actually back in the day as a young adult with a Corolla budget, I used to dream of a turbo Supra when they first came out.
Spot on with your ending comments! Supra was a cool car when it came out, but I wouldn't pay more than 50k for one. They're really only popular because of those dumb F&F movies. Stock, they were pretty slow and heavy when compared to the Viper and NSX back in the day. They have potential for mods, but what's the point after you already paid for an expensive car? I love Toyota, but other than the LFA, none should be over that 100k mark imo. 90s Toyota were great though, our family had many.
As an owner of both modern and 90s Toyota/Lexus, i prefer 90s Toyotas build quality and feel. Old Toyotas hit differently.
I agree. Man I bought the title of a 98 Toyota Avalon XLS off my grandma when she couldn’t drive anymore. It was my first car. This was in around 2015 or 16. So to me it was ancient. My brothers both drove it as I moved on to new cars, and they never kept it in the pristine shape that I did. And eventually it left our family when my brother sold it. It’s sad to say, but it’s a car that I appreciate far more now, now that I don’t have it. The interior was comfortable, it was quiet, smooth. Man those old Toyotas and their interior styling. Timeless and beautiful. Grateful to have owned one, not so grateful it’s not in my grasp anymore. What a classy car
Not worth the hype, price
JZS160 owner here I agree. Toyota build quality went south after 00s with all the Melting interior recalls, Rust frame recalls, Paint peeling, clear coat fading, 2AZ bore scoring, 2GR head gaskets and engine out jobs... 90s Toyotas/Lexus were as bulletproof as 80/90s Mercedes Benz.
i agree wholeheartedly, even my 2006 caldina is late model for me lol, it still manages to grab that 90s feel still, but i normally have had cars 2000 or 90s
Nah 90's Toyota is modern dystopian nightmare - gimme that 70's Toyota or nothing.
Loved that era of sports cars - Toyota Supra, Mitsubishi 3000GT/Dodge Stealth, Mazda RX7, Nissan 300ZX
Out of all those, the MK3 Supra was the best even though it was flawed from the factory unless it was fixed (headbolts).
I picked the MK3 because out of all of the, it was the most reliable all things considered and easiest to work on. She has never given me trouble.
Totally, and don't forget about the Acura NSX
@@CarlosXJ honestly the NSX might be the king, and I'm not even a Honda guy, never owned a Honda.
My hs parking lot had at least one example of each of these vehicles in the early 2000s. The 3000 gt, rx7, and 300 were all at the mechanic more than they were driven. I don’t remember the exact problems 20 years later but i do remember how cool those cars were.
300zx twin turbo was a great car as well. Reliable, awesome handling and brakes. My best friends mom in high school had a brand new one, I believe it was a 93, manual twin turbo, burgundy on black leather/suede. We pushed that car hard and it never asked for anything but tires and oil changes.
I too, am an MK3 purist. I have owned 3 of them and regret ever getting rid of them. 😢
You help me first to notice, then appreciate the small details-the cockpit, the round colorful taillights, the placement of the side mirror, the carpet, no pop up headlights, etc. You are like a professional art critic speaking about a work of art and I love your passion and teaching style and all the small details u share with us. Thank you so much! I learned many new things.
AMD, It feels like I have been waiting since 1994 to hear your opinion of this super Supra. 😉🤣
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Totally agreed
So odd that he'd claim that it would lose a drag race to a Sienna minivan with kids in the back and everything. Totally false, I can promise you. Yeah, I own one.
This is going to be a long read but if anyone wants some intimate esoteric Supra knowledge and some important corrections please read on. I am an old school MKIV Supra owner here. I owned both a 1997 Twin Turbo 6spd and a 1993.5 Twin Turbo Automatic. You did a great job covering this car for someone who wasn't intimately involved with the car/community but there were a few issues.
#1) The performance. Not fast by today's standards? The numbers don't lie? Which numbers? Not fast compared to a Mclaren 720S, a 911 turbo S or a Tesla Plaid... But the Supra turbo bone stock in 1993 C&D magazine went 13.1@109. One of the fastest cars in the world. This was faster than most Ferraris and most corvettes except the 70K (in 1993 dollars) ZR1 which was a tick faster. Even the LS1 C5 corvette which didn't even come out until 1997 was slower. A modern Sienna is a mid 15 second car. A car slower than even the n/a MKIV Supra which everyone agreed was an underpowered dog. So not sure what you are smoking there in that comment. In fact some MKIV members went high 12's bone stock on drag radials. That's faster than many modern sports cars. Then with roughly $900 in parts to go "BPU" (Basic Performance Upgrade) the Supra could run high to mid 11's at 121+ mph. These were ridiculous times back then for a nearly stock car. Faster than all Porsches, faster than all corvettes, faster than the fastest Lamborghini. Only a few supercars were barely faster. BPU is literally what made the Supra famous. A BPU Supra could go about 193-195mph. Something very few cars could do back then.
#2) It was a popular misconception that the sequential turbo system started with a small turbo then spooled up a big turbo. I've read this countless places online but it's wrong. Both turbos are in fact identical. Ther system used an exhaust gas valve and an intake manifold valve that was pneumatically actuated to entirely block off one turbo in order to control the system. At lower RPM all exhaust and compressor output were isolated towards one turbo allowing very low rpm spool up and giving the car some moderate low end torque. At about 3500rpm the system began cracking the exhaust manifold valve open in order to pre-spool the second turbo. At about 4000rpm there was a slightly noticeable dip in torque as the exhaust energy began to be shared with both turbos and the second turbo fully came on line at about 4500ish+ RPM with a noticeable rush of torque. The system was fairly reliable stock but as the actuation was based on vacuum hoses you could lose proper sequential operation with any leaks as hoses aged. When the car was converted to "BPU" Basic Performance Upgrade which involved removing the cats via downpipe and installing a high flow exhaust along with a boost controller to raise the boost the sequential system became strained and problematic. First it was common to pop off/break old hoses or rupture the pressure holding tank. This would break sequential operation. But worse, now the prespool timing wasn't quite right and when the exhaust valve fully opened the second turbo lacked adequate prespool and the extra exhaust energy on the second turbo "slammed" it up to speed making the sequential transition much more noticeable but greatly impacting the reliability of the second turbo. It wasn't unheard of to have a turbo fail within a few thousand miles of "BPU". This is when people started doing the "true twin conversion" basically leaving the valves wide open in bypass mode so both turbos were online at all times. This solved the reliability issue but gave the car insane lag. At lower RPM you would literally have less than econobox levels of low end power.
#3) Regarding the wingless/turbo badging. No US Supras received the turbo badge until the 1997 model year refresh. I don't believe any US wingless turbo cars were made after the 1997 refresh either, I believe most wingless turbos are rare 93-95 cars. Also no hardtop twin turbo cars were made for the US after 1995. All US 97+ Turbo Supras were Targa. And that targa meant FLEX and a lot of it. I remember jacking up my car and seeing a massive gap open up between the window and the targa rubber seal. Thats how much it twisted. And when you took the Targa off? Forget about it, it was noodle time. You could go down a bumpy road and literally see the windshield moving back and forth as the whole chassis noodled about. This is why the 93-95 Hardtop 6spd Turbos are highly desirable cars and also why there is an entire registry dedicated to hard tops.
#4) VVTI 2JZ-GTE never came to US cars. I believe the first VVTI 2JZ-GTE's appeared around 1997 in the JDM market.
#5) Yes the car was ahead of its day thanks to its electronics and weight saving measures. The Supra had a 50/50 weight distribution and even used hollow carpet fibers to save weight everywhere it could. You forgot to mention that even the hood was aluminum also (along with the AL parts you mentioned). That's why this car was sooo much lighter than the MKIII. A 1995 Twin Turbo 6Spd hardtop was under 3400lbs and the weight obsessing maniacs were able to get these cars down under 3200lbs. In the end the combination of all the above along with the most sophisticated 4 channel ABS in its day gave the Supra a C&D Magazine 70-0 braking record that held the C&D record for 12 years and only the mighty Carrera GT was able to dethrone it.
#6) FInal Thoughts? Is it worth the hype? Is it worth 100K+? Unless you are a collector, absolutely not. The driving experience was not amazing even for its day. The flexy chassis and typical numb/disconnected Toyota steering made the car feel floaty and unconnected especially compared to modern cars. It really was more of a powerhouse GT highway cruiser and not so much a canyon carver. The powertrain feels especially dated (as are all turbo cars from the era). Even with the sequential system working perfectly the car never had an amazing power band or throttle response. If you could still pick these up for 30-50K then there is an argument to be made but at 150K+ forgettaboutit.
FWIW, i think you took pretty average quarter mile times from cars of the era and compared it to the best possible pro driven quarter mile of the supra(13.1). a basic stock supra was right on par with the lt1 c4 corvettes and f bodies of the time and definitely wouldnt keep up with the ls1 cars. i remember seeing them run at englishtown a few times. and it was much more expensive than those cars at the time.
K I’ll be commenting on the plethora of issues with this mechanic’s point of view when I put my child to bed, but seriously; the Toyota SIENNA is faster!?; this guy needs to reeducated on many of his models I’ve reviewed. Turbo Supra was 5.4seconds 0-60; Sienna 7.9. The real shame is that he reviewed a 1993.5 series one. Though I can appreciate using the first model there were so many updates up to 95’ and up to 98’ in the US market. For the poster I commend you for starting on all the items I was going to bring up. I’ll be back lol oh and laughable r154 as a better tranny compared to the v160 or 161.
This was very interesting what’s your thoughts on the new bmw one?
I see you're spreading the old GT, rubbish handling narrative. I want to leave a comment from the Supra forums to provide a counter to this.
I have thought about this in depth of why said millennials repeat stupid like some parrot with turretts that found a key of crack stashed in it's nest. I couldn't figure out how every mainstream mag that tested the car against it's rivals said it was FAR superior to every single rival that I quote, " Supra is so competent on track its boring...it runs circles around the competition...the other cars (Viper RT/10, ZR1, Ferrari 512TR, Porsche turbo, NSX, RX7, 300ZX, 3000GT VR4) fall apart at the limit but the Supra is easy to drive all the way up to 10/10ths...best handling car for any amount of money...The Supra's brakes were the only brakes out of all the test cars that had a firm pedal after a week of thrashing it..." With reviews like that where the Supra wins the comparo every single time and is preferred we get these vapid vomitbots that putrify anyone's ears that will listen how the car is sooooo heavyyyyyy and handles like stink on a stick and _ is superior in every way.
The epiphany came to me a couple of years ago as to why this switch happened. Millennials don't read publications. They watch videos and play video games. And they were mostly born after all these reviews took place. To them the only version of the car they know is in Gran Turismo, the movie which may not be named, and what idiots on the internet say about the car. In the US the cars that predominantly take up the airwaves are drag cars that have their balance crushed and modded to a drag bias for which naturally ruins the car. And then the FB groups took over for them vs SF for the same reasons their visual appetite is so narrow for attention only wild builds with record setting numbers even gets attention in that format. If a modest (balanced) car gets covered in that format, all the comments are from 12 yr olds who can't drive, "bleh, overrated, heavy, pos, slower than___" because their only interaction with the car so far has been the movie franchise that will remain unamed and record drag cars for FB headline attention grabbing posts, and a video game.
Playing on Gran Turismo, I investigated why is the Supra considered heavy and slow. GT3, GT4, GT5, Prologe, GT6, and probably GT7 the Supra weight distribution in the game was intentionally changed for the worse. I know this due to Kazunori Yamauchi (game designer) did a press interview about the game Waaay back around the release of the GT2 after it had massive commercial success. It even had a section in sema where sema show winners were put in the game. Kaz said, "We biased tuned the older cars down so they wouldn't destroy the newer cars in the game that the manufacturers were debuting. If the old cars are better then the kids playing the game will buy the older cars instead of the new cars the manufacturers were coming out with" When I heard this, I didn't realize at the time what I was seeing was the bias he was talking about.
We OG's know the real balance from the factory is 53/47 f/r weight distribution. In all the aforementioned game versions, the Supra has a 60/40 weight balance. The Supra is under-tired from the factory, and that is exacerbated in the game with that ugly weight balance. You can't change tire width in GT. You can lighten the chassis which makes the balance worse, and fix it with ballast. But then I found another problem. The tire friction cof. If I buy a R comp in the game on the Supra, the car will not grip the same as a R comp with another brand of car. I tested this with braking distance. We all know the Supra Turbo had the braking record for 12 years, but someone didn't like that fact in Polyphony Digital. So they changed the braking balance. The car flat will not brake equal to any car in the game on the same tire. I have even turned the brake bias all the way up in the rear to 10 and the rears wont break traction. If I go 100mph and do a panic stop in a GTR it will stop abnormally fast. In the Supra it keeps going, and going and will eventually stop. The only version of the car in the game was the JDM RZ which had OPTIONAL track brakes that all US spec Supra Turbos get so that means the car will have fade and trouble stopping on the N/A brakes. The calipers show that they are turbo but the car stops like a N/A.
If you get any of Kaz's favorite cars that he says in the interview is the SL mercedes and GTR's you can expect over the top handling and traction that is so unrealistic you wonder if he swapped the Mercedes chassis with the supra. The SL is a POS on the track and handles and brakes like garbage. Its all over the place and the body control is non existent. I have driven a SL55 AMG IRL. It is a decent car but is miles from a Supra dynamics wise. In the game though it is miles better than the Supra. Makes hundreds more horse power (ROFL) has brakes, handling, body control, and tractable power even at over 1000HP+ lol.
GTR - forget eveything about this car in the game is fake.The real life GTR has a 60/40 weight balance. In the game? You guessed right, it is 55/45. So the GTR was modified to be better numbers and traction than the real car, and the Supra was modified to be worse. It doesn't end there. In GT6 you put a small turbo on a supra it makes about 5xxhp. Medium makes about 944hp. Large turbo guesses anyone? 1000+? nope. 937hp. You read that right. The medium turbo makes more power than the large turbo lol. We are lucky to even get that much. The power in the Supra went from 1088hp in GT2 to 9xxhp in GT3, GT4 made 8xxhp and GT5 made 744hp. The crazy thing is the GT5 SC300 makes 789hp with the GE engine. So the GTE is less powerful than the GE and less powerful with a large turbo. Heck ALL the Jap sports cars mentioned above have had a premimum version in all the GT series except for the Supra to this day. The new GT7 announced a premimum Supra is going to be in the game, but I bet $$ they didn't fix what you can't see; which is the chassis dynamics. Talk about a sore loser Kaz. It is so painfully obvious to me now why the millenials are saying what they are saying.
Unfortunately his bias was not limited to the Supra. The SC chassis is even worse. The car is even more under-tired than the Supra from the factory and that weight balance was changed from 57/43 to 65/35. Ballast won't fix it. The car is nearly undriveable in the game. FWD cars like the ITR or CTR are not even that bad and have a better balance than that. The SC is one of the worst handling cars in the game. MR2 Turbo, same story, chaser, aristo, basically all the Toyota cars are stink on a stick dynamically in the game except for the ISF. The ISF can and will run circles around any Toyota product in the game including the Supra and the LFA. If there is no manufacturer stroking here you can call me Mickey Mouse🤡🐭.
The actual game is OK other than that, but honestly that is enough to ruin the experience for me completely. I don't buy the game to beat it. I buy it to drive my fav cars on tracks against other cars to relax, veg out, get seat time and keep my skills sharp. Unfortunately that will be relegated to a PC experience that I am afraid isn't any better. It seems all virtual versions of the Supra are modeled after the one in GT. :(
Looks like this drivel will continue for some time until cars like BIGNUMTT and others like him get more mainstream attention and change the narrative back with actual old and new reviews. And call out Kazunori Yamauchi publicly for this discrepancy. Because bottom line, the way he crapped all over Eiji Toyoda's legacy is criminal. Eiji Toyoda was the passionate man that brought Toyota to the behemoth it is today with sheer passion and craftsmanship. Eiji was responsible for Japan competing with the world. After he passed away his replacement Katsuaki Watanabe in 2005 was then replaced after the acceleration scandal with the prius by the original founder's grandson Akio. Akio has not produced a single sporting product since he took the reins in 2009. Now we are going to have Kazunori highlight and prance this crack baby bastard child A90, GR86 and GR Yaris in GT7 further erasing the pride of Japan of Eiji's legacy over Akio's half baked lame slough attempt at a sporty vehicles that none of which are even made by Toyota.
Encourage incompetent leaders mistakes and destroy competent passionate leaders triumphs, where have I heard this stink story before? Time to get earplugs...
@@X50505 The whole industry operates like this.
Everything is based around marketing, fake sport appeal and fake times and reviews.
I drove a 7:48,3 in an Astra K 200bhp on the Nürburgring. GPS Tracked and on Video in Full HD with G-Sensors and so on.
After a few days my times got removed (my times for older, slower cars never got removed) because I wasn't backed by a publisher or manufacturer. Shortly after the times for the brand new ford fiesta st and Golf R we're publicly marketed (5 and (yes it's alot) 24 seconds slower - even with the advantage of 50-100bhp more). Even "amateur" times for these cars are recognized. A random ape on youtube drove a 8:32 in a 300bhp golf on the 19,1km layout and on the second lap the engine overheated. Apparently he doesn't need backing from manufacturers or magazines.
My times we're removed because they let a 68.000€ Golf R shitbox look overprized and laughable next to a 40k Astra. That's it.
I stopped making any efforts towards racing since and focus now on motorcycles. Time to leave the ship. The scene changed. The target audience changed. The world changed. And there is no place for racing dinosaurs, manual gearboxes, passion or peak 90s car engineering. Lobbyism can't be fought or outpaid. Modern cars are heavy, regulated, full with interrupting electrics and you'll gonna like it or they will cancel you.
And ty for your post. I always wondered why the supra felt like a boat (never driven a real one) and comparable cars like the 300zx we're much more in line with what they should be.
In regards to the wing. I asked my friend who collects Supras and he said he noticed more automatics with the turbo didn't have the wing and more manual transmissions with the turbo had the wing. Not sure how accurate that is. Keep up the great video AMD!
One theory.
Wing was stolen and trunk heavily damaged.
P.o. probably replaced it with wingless trunk, because 1) some owners did that at the time not knowing it will become classic look, 2) to prevent future vandalism.
Many wings were stolen from many cars in the 90s..
The wingless option was a factory option. My 93 tt 6 speed did not come with a wing, it was definitely more common in the 93 and 94s for whatever reason. It did not have anything to do with the engine or trans
My father bought this car new in 1994 from a Toyota dealership. Never been modified, never been in an accident.
Factory option
It's such a beautiful car. We'll never get anything ever again that looked like this. No computer screens on the inside and a pure driving experience made for car fans.
Okay there Jenny don’t get too ahead of yourself, get back in the kitchen 😂
No need to be disrespectful as the person commenting above and i dont want to be that guy but there is plenty of cars to choose over a Supra that will give you "more" in every single sense of the word. From other Toyotas to Porsches to Hondas to Lotus to Volvos.. There is even plenty of much cheaper options from Toyota that you can choose from such as the GS, IS, Aristo, Chaser, SC, etc..
@@ToyotaAristo okay white knight 😂
@@MrTripsJ You are not funny dude.. Just saying that you can make a point without disrespecting somebody. 🤷
@@MrTripsJwhat’s your problem son?
I love your “I act like a contrarian, but am not a contrarian” attitude towards other people’s cars.
You say good things about what you like while also backhanding that same point at the same time
What do you mean? He clearly stated he loved MK3s more and gave a very fair review to the MK4. I own an MK3 myself and I get his point of view a lot even though it's generally a less reliable car (though fixed, it's pretty damn good which mine is)
My car care nut, really liking your videos and the Toyota content. I was a Lexus Dealership technician until I started my own thing and I really appreciate how honest you are.
I owned two 80’s versions of the Supra. One thing I never forgot about the car was how amazing the seats were. The drivers seat was perfect to my 6’1” height and frame. Just perfect. Had a squeeze ball pump for the lumbar and it was great. I have never, ever sat in any car that had the quality of seating that my Supras had. I could drive that car all day long and not feel lousy stepping out of it. Only about 150 hp but I enjoyed them at that time.
I like those supras! Never been in one though
The first time I saw one was in 2000 in a game called gran turismo 2 . 11 year old me never thought I would own one 15 years later. Mine is a GE about to be forced fed for smiles per psi
Regarding the rear wing, according to the '93 Supra brochure, "Color-keyed rear spoiler" was "optional" on the Turbo model, and "not available" on the non-turbo Supra.
people like unpopular vehicle of the past. priced at $45k in the 90s it was priced like an entry Porsche, Corvette, and other high performance vehicles at the time. Same problem with ZX and RX7. Gen2 Supra is my favorite with red interior. in final days dealer were offering $8k discount from MSRP and I wish I bough one and kept it inside the garage since it's now fetching $100k 🙂
20/20 hindsight.
My life 😢
The 7mgte was pretty good, head gasket sorted. Mine made mid 400s whp on stock internals.
As a Toyota technician, I remember fondly when this Supra came out in the early 90s in Germany. It was awesome to see And all of the turbo versions came with the huge rear spoiler. Keep up with all the great videos
Great video! This is the reason I truly love my '99 Lexus SC400. It has over 200,000 miles, is a thrill to drive, and I don't worry about any collector status.
Great car to have at a tenth of the price with a 2JZ. I always wanted a MKIV, but I'm not that dumb, not paying S-Class prices. Instead, got myself a 500HP supercharged monster, an S55 AMG for MUCH lower than a 90's 'yota.
@@abel4776 cool! Enjoy. I love my '90s 'yoga. I used to want a C126 Mercedes, but no longer.
@@KaiPonte Any reason why you lost interest for a C126? Those are beautiful.
@@abel4776 My 19-year-old son was a huge Lexus fan. He had two SC400 cars with the brilliant 1UZ V8. Unfortunately, he passed away while on a road trip with a friend. I quickly learned the beauty of the 1UZ. I grew up with the R107 and W123 Mercedes cars and used to really want a 560SL. I love my '99 SC400.
@@KaiPonte Sorry for your loss.
Yes, as a millennial, I grew up on the R107 (450SL), what a car. Also have an 01 Avalon and an 06 Highlander, great A to B beaters and I try to have them showroom clean. But I have considered an SC... Well see :)
One of my favorites in the 90s when I was in grad school and dreaming one day I will buy it, thanks for the memories.
I have a 1991 Nissan 300zx twin turbo from same era, I love it. Got a very low mileage mint condition one a few months ago
Those 300ZX were nice!
Nice 👌
@@lordt78 It came out when I was a teenager and was my favorite in high school. Have my 4runner for daily reliability, that one to relive my youth on the weekends lol
@@icosthop9998 Thanks!
@@jsnow6925 The 300ZX and Supra were my fav in the 90s.
I brought in summer of 1986 a 86-1/2 Supra non-turbo manual trans had it until '91 when we had our third child. It was my first and best Toyota i ever own.
The Mark 2's are my favorite, love the lines and super fun the drive.
I wanted to buy one but prices are insane. So i bought a T-Top 1990 n/a Nissan 300zx (manual transmission of course). Im not disapointed. Beautiful car and very fun to drive.
I think the 2JZ is a better engine than the VG30. But the rest of the car. I think the nissan had many advantages over the supra.
I've always wanted a Z30 300zx. Brilliant car.
That what poor people buy and say but yea my sister buy a 300 z it was trash yes fast and trash
Cool choice. I went with a very nice 88' Supra NA/auto myself. Not the most desirable of cars, but for the shape it was in, the price was worth it ($8K)
My brother has a 300ZX in the same color but he never drives it. It's obviously a much more powerful car, but I honestly like the MK3 better all around.
The SC300 deserves honorable mention - as many parts are interchangeable - I had a 1995 - put the big brakes from the supra turbo with updated GS350 wheels, new supra lower control arms, and the supra TT seats as my stock seat motor was broken. There used to be a company in Tennessee that would redo all of your gauges - you could go for updated color combos and fix the notoriously common burnt out needle indicators on the speedo. You could do matching dash/climate/radio color themes.
In the US - the SC300 got the 2JZ-GE (not the GTE) with a different intake manifold that wrapped over the top of the engine - so it wasn't as clean looking. It was a SLOW car with only 220hp, but comfortable and solid. Most SC owners tend to hang onto them. The SC300 had the 2JZ-GE while the SC400 had the V8 or 1UZ for about 280-290hp with a weight penalty. Only the SC300 could be optioned with the five speed - so those tend to command a premium.
You can also do the Japan/Australia - Toyota Soarer 1JZ swap - it's the turbo 2.5ltr...that was the same car as the SC300 the US got under the Lexus badge; Some guys opted to keep the stock 2JZ-GE and go with a bolt on aftermarket single turbo...
Sadly the SC300 used to to be the budget Supra - but - that best kept secret was out by the mid 2000's - so I think well kept and correctly/tastefully modified versions = pay a premium.
Yep! I have a 99 GS300 with the 2JZ-GE. Toyota used it in a few cars. I would LOVE to find a SC300 with a five speed!! But most of them have been hacked up and used hard. And they still want Supra money for them!!!
They are the "poor man's Supra" (not sure where that puts the MK3) They are still extremely cool, but command much lower prices even though they are still quite high.
I wanted to buy one before my MK3, but honestly I didn't like the look/interior remotely as much as the MK3. I made the right choice.
It's too heavy.and will never hold value. It's just a old Lexus.cant race them,
@@M1kel-FergThat's why mine got subs and was nice to look at but not to drive fast
This car bring back some memories to me. I passed my driving test with a gen 3 single turbo Supra before the Christmas of 1990. 😊😊
I passed my driving test in a 1990 n/a supra. Pretty cool!
I passed my driving test with a 1993 Toyota Corolla……😂
Totally agree, the spoiler was pretty much an option that most Supras were ordered with it, so the few that didn't were unicorns. My uncle ordered a 2000 Celica GT-S without a spoiler, and that was against the grain at that time (99.9% of GTS have one and it is technically an option). Of course, he ordered it from Toyota themselves, so they can circumnavigate certain restrictions that dealers can't.
i thought only the non turbo didnt have the spoiler
I have been waiting for you to do this video. Well done as always. I've owned five MKIVs. Everything from stock to 1500whp. Truly one of a kind automobile. My current one I purchased stock from its original owner. Has 29k miles on the clock. Don't plan on ever selling it.
I understand you completely when you say that they aren't worth the hype. I agree, in stock form. But.... get behind the wheel of one that is fully built, utilizing the right components and tuning with a large framed single turbo such as an 88mm and you will see why they are legends. This level of build is not for everyone, but regardless, the experience is hard to match. The power is not smooth and gradual but rather violent in nature. It is something you can't put into words; you have to experience it for yourself. That being said, not comparing them to today's sport automobiles and instead putting them against cars from its time, the MKIV performed superior to its competition.
Let us not forget what they were able to accomplish in the 90s and early 2000s, both at the track and drag strip. Setting countless records, even to this day. And for the OGs reading this who experienced the "golden era", you know the names of "Walser Supra", "SW", Titan, WOTM and the list goes on.
For being a well off country, the USA always gets screwed when it comes to the auto industry. Every time you hear about a great engine, or vehicle, it isn’t available in the USA.
Yep 😒
It's usually some ridiculous emissions guideline that keeps it from Here.
Even fords overseas have more models and options. An American manufacturer
The body style is so attractive that it does not matter if it is fast or handles well .
I've been waiting for this video. I've owned 3 Supras in my life (85-MKII, 98-MKIV NA, 93-MKIV TT6). They were my childhood dream car. I was in high school (97-01) when the MKIV was discontinued. As soon as I was able to afford one, I bought it. I've spent the last 20 years wrenching on them and will keep it forever.
I was into this car before Fast and Furious regret not getting a used one I checked out around 2001 for the low 20s. They still look good today. Got a ride in that Supra it was modded....definitely had some turbo lag from a roll but once going really pulled hard.
I wish I lived in your state and you were my mechanic. I learn so much from you videos. Please keep up the GREAT work.
Many blessings to
You and your family!
Best,
Ron Larson
Man love how you at the end, revealed your realistic perspective of this Supra.
Back in the 1980's I worked at a Toyota Dealer ship in the Body shop. I worked on the MK2 Supra. They were a great car built so Well. and great looking! In 1989 I bought a 1986 Mk3 Supra and I still have it! Mk3 is my favorite Supra! I wax it once a year. and I love the sound of the straight Six! Mk4 is a cool ride Too! I Like your Videos on the Supra!
MK4, Lamborghini Diablo and Skyline R33/R34 was my childhood for sure. Really nice to watch this breakdown as i will never own one haha!
I"m a total purist too when it comes to the cars i love. I remember this generation Supra well and i know i'm going to get a ton of hate replies but to me these weren't that good looking. The generation before this from 1986 1/2 to 1991 i thought were so much nicer inside and out. These look so bubbly and Ford Taurus like. Why people pay all the money for this generation is mind blowing to me but you like what you like i guess.
You should put a trigger warning at the start of that comment. Ho boy!
Me too. I remember seeing this car in the magazines back in 93’ my friends and I thought the car didn’t look That great. There is nothing to be sorry about when it comes to the looks of the car. Everyone has their own opinion. To each their own!
Looks are subjective..I fell in love with this Supra when I saw in the magazines back then. Never cared for previous Supra...just looks meh
I love sports coupes the Supra, the Eclipse , all Japanese sports cars are well built. Its the best era for cars that reliable and not over complicated as kong as you don't turbo them !!!😂
The MK4 Supra taillights are timeless. The MK4 with the wing is gorgeous from behind.
My brother has a modified one, a really nice example. No rust, 550hp, single turbo. It didn't disappoint me in the slightest when I drove it. I loved how it drove.
The rear wing was a factory installed option. Meaning, it was an option that they would incorporate with the car as it was built on the assembly line. Different from a dealer installed option, which is also a possibility but is installed at the dealership that is selling the car prior to delivery to the new owner. Also factory installed option was a 7 speaker premium audio with a double din head unit and cd player in addition to the cassette tape. Standard audio was 6 speaker with a single din tape player. All premium audio supra have leather seat front and rear. 93 to 96 supra only have a "supra" badge. 97 to 98 supra turbo will have the additional "Turbo" badge. All JDM supra only have the "supra" badge and none will say "turbo". They also don't have the "toyota" script on the left side.
I bought a Toyota Aristo 99 model from Japan with 37k km on 2jzgte vvti. It still has factory plastic under the seats. Extremely clean car for 20k AUD
Love the Supra of that era however, if you want ground breaking technology then I feel you should do a review of the ‘91 NSX. That is my favourite sports car of the 90’s
The answer.. Yes, the drive and the feel are 100% different from other cars in it's class.. not to mention how much better it feels to drive than a lot of newer sports cars.
Toyota Supra is probably one of the greatest affordable sports car in history.
This is why I respect AMD so much!!! I’m a Nissan skyline purest. Own an 1992 Nissan Skyline GTR (R32) and soon be a 2002 Nissan Skyline GTR (R34) here in Texas. He goes into details and doesn’t bash other manufacturers like skyline etc. My RB26 has a lot of work done to it and makes 925 WHP. One I love about the 2JZ is how well it can handle big horse power on a stock top and bottom endZ
Sorry, but I strongly disagree. The Mk4 Twin Turbo was insanely fast! 320HP back then was unheard of!! I LOVED driving that car!!! I worked at a Toyota dealer in the early 90s... I have driven the first 4 generations of Supra. I loved the MK3, but the MK4 is my fave car of ALL TIME!! And I want it stock!! Fast and Furious made it unaffordable though!
I recall someone that bought a Twin Turbo, Manual Shift WITHOUT a Spoiler. It was very uncommon, but it could be ordered that way (atleast in Canada). It was a Beautiful Silver Targa to boot!! The owner cherished that car.... likely still has it today.
Legendary sports car/grand tourer. Magnesium alloy steering wheel. Gas-injected rear spoiler. Hollow carpet fibers to cut down on weight. Absolutely over-engineered and way ahead of its time. The Getrag 6-speed, and iron-block 2JZ were darn near bulletproof. The stock brakes were really powerful and effective as well. They definitely don't build them like they used to, (cars in general).
Love the Supra. Especially that gen. But honestly, Ive always liked the MR2 from the same years much more 🤷🏼. Can't really go wrong though
actually the MKIV Supra was built to be a road race car as which why it did so well against the Viper RT10, the corvette ZR1, and the porsche 911 turbo and even the RX7 in handling. heavy is a relative term when considering the cars from that time.
As a Mark III owner, Thank you for your bias! I love them too and the Mark II
i drove a 1994 Toyota Chaser Mark 2 Tourer V one time and I'll forever have that in my dreamcar list. The whistle from the two turbos it had in it and the thrust it had was enough to make me want one. Just such a smooth engine
2JZ!!! My 2003 Lexus GS 300 has the non-turbo version and it’s a joy to work on!
Is it worth the hype? Absolutely!! The 2JZ engine has become as famous as the car itself and is an icon of performance and reliability. There is absolutely no substitute for this engine in cars of this era. Add in that this was the hero car in the first movie of the biggest car movie franchise in history and nothing is comparable.
Fools know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
I agree 100%
Agreed. Seriously, MKIII over MKIV? Money issues? BHG lover?
agree, try to find a car nowadays like these 90s supra... Non existent basically people will pay high prices modified or not, plus few will let them go and hoe the trend is going they will become more desirable
Thank you Ahmed for bringing us these fantastic reviews. God bless.
What an absolute privilege it is to see content of this calibre mate. I don't think I've ever seen a car video on this level before and I practically live on youtube lol. Simply marvellous and thoroughly enjoyable. Well done mate keep it up!
Fun fact, the mkIV Supra Turbo brake bite force is one of the highest of any OEM brake caliper
I agree getting expensive too much. But it has come to a point where there are few Supras for sale that people will pay high prices modified or not. We Gotta remember that cars like this they don't do them anymore and if you single turbo it they still very reliable and still be on high performance cars of nowadays.
I know that this is a Toyota channel but I wish there was a similar one for other Japanese lines, such as Mitsubishi, DSM and Subaru. Most channels devoted to those lines are by and for tuners and modders, which is fine but it would be nice to have a channel that reviews stock versions of these cars. I'd love to see someone like you review old classics like my '92 Eagle Talon TSi AWD (manual, of course). Like the Celica, SVX and MR2 I've always seen them as kind of "kid brothers" to classic Japanese muscle cars of that era like the Supra, Stealth, NSX, etc., built around inline 4's instead of V6's.
Wingless: in 93-94 they were optional on Turbos as well.
Turbo script didnt show up till 97. And they were placed on the same side of the Supra. This car you reviewed is missing the ‘Toyota’ script on the driver side.
Good eye!
The Mkiv Supra did not have a “Toyota” scripted on it. The scripted Supra is on the car his reviewing.
@@supradave4876😂😂😂.. i guess your Supra didnt have it. But the few mkivs i owned and own have it.
@@vipraz119 You are correct about the turbo script not showing up till 97 but you said it’s missing a “Toyota script, and it’s missing because they don’t come with it. 93-96 came with the script Supra and 97-98 came with the script Supra turbo
@@supradave4876on the driver side.. all model year MKIV Supras came with ‘TOYOTA’ badge. Both my 95 and my current 94 came with them.
Just watched this video. The thing that stands out to me about the Supra from the 90s was its motorsport pedigree. They actually didn't use this motor due to it being to heavy. The race cars in Japan used the 3S 4 cylinder engine and dominated the competition. That is what made me love the Supra. Kinda wished Toyota had the 3SGTE engine option from factory if you didn't want the 2JZ
I have a 2004 Lexus IS300 with a single precision 6266 turbo. I love it just as much as the supra if not more. I believe the IS300 is the most modern version of a supra you can get.
It's EXTREMELY cool getting this in-depth with a MKIV. Myself and many others would love to have them, but you know what? I thought a cool MK3 Supra was even better and I could afford it along with upgrading a lot of stuff. Yeah she still leaks water and has some very minor issues, but She has been the car of my dreams and hell she is STILL a Supra without the price tag.
Either car is amazing, but MK3 is what most normal people can afford and if you find a nice one, man it is beyond worth your money for the experience.
Also "A targa is cool until it's not" you said, it so true on my Supra. Most of them were sold with it, but they are the bane of every owners existence now.
use "magic erasers" for the interior - they do a really good job removing the gloss off the steering wheel and other areas. and dont use leather "conditioners" just clean the leather also with "magic erasers", leather is already covered in a synthetic material and doesn't need conditioning like if it was naked leather on a leather jacket, it is not naked. this advice comes from a professional detailer i ran into. conditioners just make the leather more caked up/dirty and glossy. just a wet magic eraser will do. some of them have all purpose cleaning solution in the magic eraser sponges. you can also use your own all purpose cleaner but really you just need a bucket of water to rinse the spong off into and squeeze the dirt out of the sponge into. just squish the sponge flat in your flat palms and dont bend it in any way, no twisting, they are relatively fragile. get the magic erasers rated for 'heavy duty' or so. whats great about these sponges is their unique texture that really rubs dirt off surfaces with much less effort. it has the right kind of abrasiveness without doing damage to anything and you need to do much fewer passes than if you used a regular sponge or a rag.
I absolutely love mine! BTW, the stock sequential turbos are both the same size. Thanks for featuring this amazing car on your channel.
This example looks impeccable!!!
I own both, 90’s and current year Toyotas and Lexus vehicles. You cannot be let down by these vehicles. 90’s Toyota have a hard plasticky feeling with cassette players and an engine that can keep running for 300-600K plus mileage
Finally! MKIV Supra I have a 96 Supra stock and I don’t plan modifying it. Can’t wait for part two on this
Good review. The only thing is that they were very fast & don't know where you get the "slower than a Sienna". I took my stock 1994 TT Supra and ran with a passenger a 13.08 @ 108.88 mph at Budd's Creek Maryland in 1994. But mine was a daily driver 6-speed.
Very good time for stock and passenger.
Yeah as smart as he is, it through me for a loop saying it's slower than a sienna. 😅 there is no way. My 97 lexus sc300 was pretty fast for 225 hp. Had a 146 top speed.
Exactly! I have tested my completely stock 6 speed Supra on the road with a Racelogic Vbox, 13,2 and 111mph. There is no stock Sienna doing that..
Get the MK3 while you still can. Find a really nice one and love it for what it is.
You will get so much of this and an amazing car at the time while they are still remotely affordable.
I’m a proud owner of a 1994 Twin turbo Supra anthracite color 1A1… it has 156k miles ..EVERYONE WANTS TO BUY IT OFF ME !!!!
That Supra is in incredible condition especially underneath. Amazing little under carriage stuff they carried over to Mark V like front arch vents, all covered areas, exhaust split.
Drove one when they first came out , its a gt car. Big heavy car, not inspiring in the twisties , but fast for the time and very expensive. For the price of this you could few year old porsche turbo at the time. Celica gt4 is alot more fun to drive, but we never got the last gen. Great engine but only good for straight line. The race car didnt use a 2jz but a 4 cylinder to impove the handling.
I test drove an example of the last gen celica gt-four and it felt like a boat. Wasnt that fast either. My MR2 which is much lighter felt quicker
@@beexiong2995 Mr2 is quick fun car, but scary handling at the limit. Celica is awd, with the same engine, so it is heavier then MR2 , but with the right drive style alot easier to handle at the limits and more forgiving. No, lift off oversteer, wear the only thing you can do is hang on for dear life. But still fun at 8/10th. But you never see them on track, Autocross sure.
I had two 2 1985 Toyota Supras. One I brought from a Jamaican mechanic who worked at a local Toyota dealership.
It was a milk chocolate brown color. No dents or rust. I put m50x15 tires on the rear. The mechanic had the car in tip-top condition throughout. 5 speed manual. My Sgt. kept bugging me about selling it which I did. Should have kept it.
I've had close to 70 cars mostly Toyotas.
Four 1992 Tercels. One with a JDM 1.3 turbo motor. A kid heard its blow off valve and pestered me until I sold that one. The other had a black top JDM motor, manual.
A stock 1985 GTS Corolla, manual. Oh so many cars👍🏽
I was also into Mopar muscle cars. I've had every V-8 from the 273 to 440. Except the Hemi. I'm older now, let me shut up before I become depressed...
I too am a Christian. I enjoy your videos. Very professional and informative. Your utmost for HIS highest...👍🏽👏🏼🙌🏽
You are almost at 1 million subs, habibi!
That is wonderful….. keep up the good work.
His two channels combined have passed 1 million.
@@efil4kizum It will be a mute point soon enough .
My younger brother had the Celica version of this car, he loved it....Thanks Ahmed, great review as always. Sean L.
Thankyou for your honest opinion, I also love supra’s even since I saw my first one in white color , it was beautiful, these days we rarely see these older cars on the road
In 1994 I was a sales manager at a Seattle area Nissan dealership, The 300zx TT was a good seller for us throughout the 90s. The Z was a superior performing car on paper and in fact. The VG was the first mass production V6 Japanese engine, it is known.
Cool video it would have been good to not though that the JZS147 Aristo was the first Toyota model with this engine. It had a Hydro fan and electronic nitrogen assisted brakes. It also had the fuel tank behind the rear seat.
I love how when I watch this (wonderful) channel, the ads from 'Toyota Jan' pop up :)
Designwise I too prefer the Mark III Supra
As an owner of both an all-original (with rebuilt engine) stock MA70 and a 1JZ swapped MA70, I am always jealous of the build quality of the JZA80. Everything just feels so much smoother, looks more modern and replacement parts are still fairly easy to come by. Everything for an A70 is discontinued or as expensive as Adamantium. As for this car's badge, I think it's made to order and Toyota preferred to put a turbo engine in the front of a chassis meant for a nonturbo, instead of covering up the already drilled holes in the boot. (I guess in 1994 you couldn't just swap the hatch as it may just need to be color matched for Toyota's standards but I'm unsure of the painting process and qc at that time)
Man, I have learned so much from your videos. I am really happy you decided to do UA-cam, and merry Christmas!
I would love to see "Top 10 Toyota" video based on your knowledge and opinion with any subject like: engine,transmission,overall powertrain,design,interior,fails,win...
I have a '93.5 Premier Edition Supra TT 6 speed wingless that I bought from the original owner. As the original owner he leased it. For '93.5-95 Supras, the wing was indeed an option and since he leased it, he didn't want to pay the addition fee to add it. I eventually added an OEM wing since IMO it's what made the MKIV Supra an icon. These cars are special and are expensive because can't build another one like it.
All classic cars are slow and outdated by today's standards. This is what makes them special is because they are from a specific era, where it's from the 1930, 40's, 50, 60's through the 90's.
I had a 91 twin turbo with a t top.....I love that year.....I always wanted a bubble Supra tho. You got videos on the Cressida and Cressida wagon?
I had 92 Celica GT manual transmission,great times.
I had one also. Great manual transmission, stereo, and good torque. Enjoyed it much!
Here in the uk we only got the fully loaded turbo model so it came with a wing, active front spoiler, ceramic turbos, glass headlights, and oil cooler for the differential which is mounted in that air vent by the rear wheel.
Not sure were your getting your performance figures from but 0-60mph is quoted at 4.6 secs and deristricted 177mph much quicker than a v6 camry
Even 1jzgte will fuck these modern plastic engines 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly! There is so much wrong information in this video..
Hey, thanks for the video! Definitely a great car. Although I think I made the right choice in getting a mk5... i still want one. the mk4 is such a special car. And the price of a clean one nowadays shows how desirable they still are. Thanks again for your channel. Can't wait for the next video!
Enjoy your bmw. 🤷
@@benlastname6667 But not for long, as we all know what happens to all BMW's.
@@truthserum5310 worked a bmw dealer long enough to know how it will go lol
Just going to say, Enjoy your Supra! But if you ever get the chance, try an MK3. it's not going to be anywhere near as fast, it's not a fast sports car, but it's really a drivers touring car and it's so damn comfortable while looking amazing with no fake plastic body stuff.
I do love my bmw. I can afford the maintenance.
LS400 93', 95', 98', and the LS430 are such gems. That LS430 in the background of the video is just staring at us lol
My father had a 92 Lexus SC400 fully loaded. Autostart, K40 radar detector built-in, phone, phenomenal Nakamichi sound system even in today's times. Considering both cars were considered Grand Touring in a sense, the Lexus car was a much more desirable car. Just the sound of the engine itself!🤯😎 That Lexus was arguably one of the best cars ever made. I will say I had a 91 Acura Legend Coupe that was Better Built material wise. It was like a little mini NSX. As the Car Care nut said and he wasn't kidding, cars today aren't made nearly as well as they were back then.
my all time favorite car. my dream, my only car dream even though i know ill never own one. thank you for doing this one, my dude
I have one of these, well an RZ model and it’s an event when I drive it! Great cars and it reminds me that Japan was just building greatness back then!
I had a 88 Supra non-turbo 5sp as my first car; dead realiable to 200K miles then rust claimed it.
Inspired by Toyota 4500GT prototype.
The JZ engine was one of the first Z series engines made by Toyota. First one of course the UZ in Lexus LS400 and also the TZ in Toyota Previa.
After that many other Z variants including RZ, NZ, SZ, AZ and ZZ.
In my 95 Gs300 it makes 220 hp 210 torque more than enough to cruise at hwy speeds 80 - 100 quite easily and will top out close to 150 mph..it was just lethargic off the line till it hit 3000 rpm. But what makes the GE amazing is the horsepower is nothing for the block which can handle 600 - 700 hp without modification. So with 220 hp or so the engine virtually is indestructible as mine will hit 300k miles next year and still runs fairly quiet
Yes! I have a 99 GS300 with 250k on it. Still runs like a beast. I've owned it for 12 years and it's been so good to me.
This is the best break down I accidentally came across. Thank you, I’ve subscribed 🔥
I agree the Mark III's were the best I had on running 30 psi of boost, It was insane back in the day
Those who say the Mk3 is the best have never and will never own a Mk4😂
I have been Soarer 1jzgte automatic, nice ride. Toyota automatic handel lott of power, in dragrace. And i have 1992 SC400 Lexus, that is same bodystyle than Supra... now that is "raving"Supra automatic. 1uzfe push hard; tuned...
Yeah, that's what I heard as well. The Turbo model came with the wing, while the n/a did not. Maybe there was a way when the customer special ordered it to have come without the wing? 🤔
Growing up with a 91 and 97 Supra definitely worth it
SKyline! ... only heard about those after watching the anime Initial-D show featuring 80's Toyota Trueno Sprinter E86, quite a few years ago, which got me interested in JDM cars. Actually back in the day as a young adult with a Corolla budget, I used to dream of a turbo Supra when they first came out.
Spot on with your ending comments! Supra was a cool car when it came out, but I wouldn't pay more than 50k for one. They're really only popular because of those dumb F&F movies. Stock, they were pretty slow and heavy when compared to the Viper and NSX back in the day. They have potential for mods, but what's the point after you already paid for an expensive car? I love Toyota, but other than the LFA, none should be over that 100k mark imo. 90s Toyota were great though, our family had many.