Did Toyota Make a Mistake Making the Supra with BMW? We Check Out a 700HP Supra to Find Out!
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2022
- Did Toyota make a mistake making the new Toyota Supra with BMW? We get a 700HP heavily modified 2021 Toyota Supra in the shop to find out how well it's holding up.
In this video we check out a sweet 2021 Toyota Supra that's modified and done well. The owner of this Supra really did this one well!
The best part is this car have had these modifications for over 10k miles and has been absolutely reliable. Not to say that this is a reliable car. This goes to say that the current generation Supra has a lot of ties with what made the old one great.
With simple bolt on modifications you can make a lot of power without having to have a complete engine rebuild.
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You gotta love it when people do performance mods right. No fluff, no neon, no wierd colors, no rice, just pure functional mods.
When it old and bored owners will do it for sure especially wraps, wheels, lights etc
just cuz you don't like it doesn't make it "right"
Love fluff, neon, and weird colors, otherwise we'll be in a boring, bland society. We were so close to becoming that society in the last few years.
Now do the same level of performance mods on an LS 400.
It becomes the definition of a Sleeper
To be honest I would love to see a car that looks rice but it's actually fast and functional now that would be funny
Toyota teaming up with BMW was a big disappointment for many, including me, but great video
Sounds wicked! 👍🏼
I drove my sister’s ‘22 Supra last year. It was stock, but very fast.
One downside: You have to duck to avoid hitting your head on the roof getting in and out. It is a very tight fit.
I'm 5'7' with shoes on so I hope that's not an issue for me at all! 😅 I will want to be a second owner if a well taken care of supra in the next few years...
rofl. youve not driven anything fast apparently.
@@drunkpunk5393 so the professional car reviewers that call it fast haven’t either? clown.
@@drunkpunk5393 speak for yourself. Go back to playing gran turismo or whatever game you play.
Not as bad as my friend's Fiat. He says get in and I says Hell not. I literally could not get into that car to save my life and I'm 5'9" with the standard American dad bod, not the Walmart bod and I just couldn't get it done.
so amazed about how clean that shop is, I know its fairly new and winter hasnt hit yet but I hope the owner will keep it clean like this..takes daily cleaning and dusting but looks like a medical lab:)..as a client i would be so impressed
He is amazing
Lexus dealer standard inspired shop 😆👍🏻
I had a 2020 Supra and changed out my downpipe easily. The turbo is completely exposed when you remove the airbox making a turbo swap a 30 min job. Toyota/BMW know that the owners will modify this car and so they built it as such. A mod friendly platform. Truly an enthusiast car. Compared to the new Nissan Z you need to drop subframe to get to the turbos. You will spend many many hours on that car.
cars should all be easily serviceable
supra seems better built. Its the most reliable BMW you can buy. Toyota quality with BMW parts. Nissan is cheap crap
@@dirkdiggler2379 its because Germany intentionally makes labor tasks more laborious because that means more lucrative. Toyota doesn't play that game!
if only toyota was smart enough to cut bmw out of their FLAGSHIP MODEL. theres zero need nor desire for bmw or any other brand for that matter to taint what toyota could of done far better on thier own. a useless and meaningless collab imo.
Money talks. Developping an entire platform with drivetrain costs a lot of money. If the platform and drivetrain is sound, why not? The B58 is apparently a very well-built, strong engine. The ZF trans is arguably the best auto trans ever. They are built in big numbers so parts are likely to be available for a long time. The Z4 is supposed to handle very well. The only thing I was hoping for, just like the GTR, is that it would come with a V8...imagine a supercharged Lexus V8, I think it's called the 2ur-ge, that 5 litre beauty which started in the 1st gen isf. Now, THAT would've made this car truly special but also quite a bit more money thus less accessible. It makes sense for what it is. It's special enough to attract buyers now that the mk4 prices have gone silly. I would not buy one because things like corvettes exist but it's pretty cool.
Great informative video as always. Been watching for a long time ( since out of your garage at home ) and so glad to see your shop is very clean and workable. Keep blessed.
I've driven this thing.. it's crazy fast!! It's 700+ Wheel HP!! And will run 9 second 1/4 mile with drag radials. Great car!!
who
@@techbutter2877 what do you mean “who”?
@@HiccaBurp asked
@@techbutter2877 lmao
Fucked up but too funny that this guy fell for it in 2022...😭
Thank you brother for sharing some supra love!!! Been following you for the Lexus and 4 runners videos and as an A90 owner it mades me happy seeing you enjoying this car.
I can tell you really like this car. You were smiling from ear to ear.
Thanks for the great review. Always loved the Celica 🤙
Good video AMD especially at the end when you take this wonderful car out for drive, many memories came to me!
I like how the owner kept it looking clean. Since it's made by BMW, I'm curious about the suspension. I've worked on a lot of Beemers.
You sure you've worked on a lot of "beemers"? Theyre bimmers....
@@aussie2uGA nah
Suspension from the m2 comp
@@aussie2uGA it's perfectly fine to have regional variations in colloquialisms. Go drink a "frothy" and chill 😂
@@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488 haha, it’s not regional. Anywhere in the world, a bmw car is a Bimmer. The motorcycle is the Beamer. Google it.
Speaking of brakes, Just checked my own, 76,000 miles on stock brakes, and still at 4.5mm of pad left front and rear and the rotors are in perfect condition. If you drive well, you can save a lot on brakes. Pretty much every used car I ever bought came with completely destroyed pads and rotors and for some reason, brake fluid with lots of moisture. My new cars NEVER have these issues. Bought my sister a 2017 camry, only had 19k miles and already had bad brakes and rotors, but how ever she drove, it only got worse to the point where one of the pads completely sheered off the pad mount, leaving just the clips and calipers. Within 24 hours the rotor was also...toast. How you drive matters so much.
people need to be tought how to stay in motion after i learned manual it became easier to learn just slow down to the point u dont have to use brakes
Deleting the cats and keeping the OEM exhaust absolute class act. beautiful
So back in the 90s I kept begging my father to order a supra through the Toyota program and I kept telling him this car would be worth something one day, at that time he thought I was crazy because he would want to pay $48,000 for a sports card from Toyota when you have the Corvette and other cars, this was way before fast and furious I remember as a 14-year-old going to the Toyota dealer and they had a Red 95 model at the dealer and I was just mesmerized by its looks.
did he buy you one in the end?
So with inflation the supra was just shy of $100k? Jheeze
I remember almost buying a used 96 Turbo Auto for just over $18,000 back in 2005. Same car today is $40,000 easy.
Supra while it had a great engine, nothing else was great about it. The GTR was not only faster and had AWD and better engine.
Thanks for showcasing this. Very cool video
Dang that thing sounds crazy
Sounded like wet fart at the end there.
All these haters saying the Supra is ugly. To me, just jealousy. To me, as a car enthusiast, should able to appreciate all types of cars even if it’s not their liking. It’s all about the love, passion, attention to detail and hard work putting into their car. Great job Amd!
It's really ugly
Thank you for great content! Maybe it's that the worlds most highly regarded brand for reliability/longevity contracted with one of the most notoriously unreliable brands that causes heartburn among Toyota nuts. This is a really cool car. I think the 3rd gen that you had is my favorite. I still remember a bloke with a 4th gen who ran with my 500+HP supercharged Mustang around the turn of the century. Fun times.
Yeah that's the main thing, but if I'm being honest I truly do think supra sus their homework and absolute best to make this bmw engine as reliable as they could to at least fit the standard fire toyota reliability. Might not be the most reliable toyota stamped product but will be the bare minimum they accept at least?
@@ericinfante1885 if only toyota woulda idk. not been a total simp while doubting their own drivetrain engineering, and made THEIR OWN FUCKING VEHICLE. let alone their FLAGSHIP BEST MODEL TO DATE. nah. cheap deapo the flagship model to some other brand. wtf. toyota. literally the thing that made me not a fan of toyota nor the supra.
@@drunkpunk5393 People act like this is so hard to understand too. Like... the brand selling the most vehicles across the globe doesn't have the chops/money to design their own halo product? Then if you watch the Toyota commercials they show this BMW running around while Toyota says, "it's in our DNA, see this cool car? The Camry is almost a Supra cause it's in our DNA"
BMW is not a notoriously unreliable brand...
@@8MunchenBayern8 That isn't my experience. Especially all the plastic connectors and other things that get brittle and break under the hood. I'm talking about the last 20 years, not the older BMWs. Older MBs were still expensive to own but nothing like the silliness they're selling today.
Beautiful. Excellent presentation. Thank you AMD.
My BMW X3 M40i has a B58 engine- very reliable (so far). Gas milage is averaging at 23 -25, mpg and yes, can get up to 30 mpg using eco mode - I’m using the car for long trips - 17.5 gallon tank is nice. On order Tesla Y for daily use to “even out” my carbon footprint. Love to buy a Lexus NX 450h+, but local dealers are asking, on average, 8k dealer surcharge, and apparently getting it.
You do realize that is your electricity isn’t green energy, and you don’t put a huge amount of miles on your electric car it’s not better for the environment
Great review AMD. I noticed the video quality (lighting + audio) is great on this video. Well done.
or u just cry for mommy again, and maybe she will come help u again. pig
Could you please do a review of the BMW b58 engine and zf 8 transmission? Would love to hear your thoughts about bmws g chassis as well. Your comments are very thorough and you have a lot of experience.
Hi AMD, Thank you for another great video, TU as usual. As summer is slipping away, I guess we won't see the engine bay wash tips video this year? Thanks :)
im glad someone finally said it... you dont need to tear everything up/out & make it loud to be fast...
This reminds me of the Jay Leno V8 Camry swap. Literally couldn't tell its modified, but it had a v8 in it and it freaking fit!
'89 MK3 owner here with a 7M GTE, with ROD Knock. Gotta 2JZ-GTE going into it
What a great video summary of this car. Pleasure watching this.
Thank you, I enjoyed watching.
The mods are awesome, but the wing completes the car. Those who get a manual later and do these kinds of mods will be in heaven!
Another nice video! Appreciate you showing what a quality mod car should look like as well as the honesty of the Supra story. Didn’t like these at first, but , I wouldn’t turn one away 😂
id for sure take one for free and sell it tho. if i wanted a bmw id just go buy a bmw.
I admire how much you admire this car! Truly an impressive machine!!
Love your channel! Been following it for a while now. Can you do a video about the ES330's? Common problems and things to watch? Thank you for all you do!
Started watching ( binge watching) your videos two weeks ago. Love your channel, so much so , that I’m converting to Toyota when the 2023’s come out. Quick question, I tend to keep my cars more than 10 years , would you recommend Corolla or Camry?
Personally either one is a win. Stick to 4 cylinder, FWD, non cvt transmission. Change, not flush, trans fluid 30-60k miles. Oil every 3-4k. That car should easily hit 400k miles. I know. I have a Celica (Corolla) with 320k now and still going. 0 repairs to engine and trans.
They're very different cars, if you have the money go for the Camry, more space, more comfy, more power, same reliability
Both will make the 10th we good maintenance
Corolla
Camry, if you can afford the extra cost.
AMD can you please make a video on why we here in the US have to use 0W-20 for some Toyotas, but other countries use 5W-30 or other oils. They have the same engine as the ones we have here most times. For example my 2022 Tacoma is rated for 0W-20, will I be able to use 5w-30 with no reliability issues
Just use 0W-20 and don't give it a second thought; it's been used in Tacoma/FJ engines for decades now with zero issues.
Awesome build! Love the simplicity.
Money wasn't an issue on this build ! Turbo set up most impressive.
I respect your honesty when it comes to the Toyota community and others when it comes to the Good and bad and in between. 💯🌟🏁🏁🏁🙏
I can appreciate the uniqueness of this well modified car and love how Car Care Nut is so excited about it. Very cool video. Still would not buy a Supra, after my GR86 I am upgrading to Lexus
What kind? An LC500?
@@tuxievous420 If I have the cash yes.
@@MR3DDev Can’t go wrong with the RCF. I’m getting one as a Christmas gift to myself. If I did have the cash, I would also go LC
@Cal-El LCs are quite a bit slower and alot larger than the stock Supra. I guess the older folks like the LCs, though.
30 MPG on the freeway for this powerful engine is very impressive.
The trick is Toyota won’t touch it and you’ll be paying Beamer prices for faulty cheap plastics and sensors that break constantly
I have a ‘21 Supra that is completely stock. Love the car, and plan on keeping it.
My first video for this channel, and I must say...Great presentation. Subscribed, for sure.
Would you possibly have more to say on the B58 engine? Been hearing that this might be the best engine BMW has created. Would LOVE to see what you have to say about it.
B58 owner here… yes it is! Also the S55 and now the new S58 on the G series… get one, you won’t regret it! 😊👍🏼
Ask Toyota. It is an Engine they couldn’t refuse. Yes, one of the best engines ever.
@@eazy-333 Absolutely right, best example ever! Spot on dude! 😁👌
@@eazy-333 Thank you for that perspective haha! Def makes sense
The thing is, Toyota always had input from other companies with their performance vehicles. Their best performance engines had significant influence from Yamaha (including the JZ engine) so going to BMW or Subaru is not much different.
Indeed
Even LFA v10 was developed together with yamaha. Both its engineering division and musical instrument division
YAMAHA !!!!!!! You are very correct
Yeah Yamaha, big difference in quality.
Also the mk4s manual transmission was supplied by getrag i believe (german company)
@Fahrvergnugen without subaru, those cars weren't getting made.
Great overview of the Supra. That floor shines!
I like that complete review, Nice Road Rocket 👍
I remember back when it came out, Stephan Papadakis made a series of videos on turning one into a Formula Drift car. He managed to make about 1000hp using mostly stock parts because it was engineered so well
Papadakis team is on back to back Formula Drift championships in the Supra with the B58. Papadakid even put a B58 in Johonnattan Castro's GR86.
Actually not bad, i thought it would be more complicated to work on since it’s a bmw. I will definitely get one in a manual transmission but not anytime soon. I can wait till this crazy market eases up a bit.
Now that IS an tastefully modified car! Great stuff!!!!
Love the plate, very nice touch!
I saw a stock one here this summer...a red one...beautiful car but was wrapped around a tree next to the road (obviously didn't make the corner). Still had on his Colorado Temp tags, too.....painful to see it! (I haven't seen it since.)
Sounds like someone wasn't ready for the power ❗️
AMD, I will take a simple, everyday, run of the mill, 300 hp GR Corolla over a fancy 700 hp Supra 😉
Beautiful car! Can't wait to get mine!
It’s great to see this man talking about a car with a smile ear to ear, you fell in love my friend
In my opinion, BMW along with toyota are one of the few amazing car manufactures among a very short list. This is BMW's 3rd iteration of a turbo inline 6 and so far, it seems like they got it right this time around.
Bmw guy, did these ever had rob bearing or timing chain related issues before 100k?
I think that my preference would be the Lotus Emira with a real Toyota V6 engine and transmission, along with an Edelbrock supercharger.
Besides, the Emira does look so much better.
Emira will get A Mercedes engine
@@danmol3814 its for 300hp variant
Lotus has better design to handle toyota's v6 and its transaxle. but i think its about business decission to not developed sportscar platform on its own. Toyota always sales driven in my eye
Great video. Thank you
Good info again! Thanks
I miss the old videos when you showed us how to fix stuff. Hope to see more of them. Thanks
13:40 gotta give thumbs up for that License plate!
great video, thank you for providing education
I like Supra's, I like well thought and executed modifications. I see CarCareNut likes that too.
So I click "Like" and life is good!
Illinois plates and video showing no catalytic convertors. This owner is going to get a visit from the state...
Could be “off road only” vehicle.
I'm not telling if you're not telling! ;-)
LoL
I hear Illinois is *almost* as bad as New York, in collecting taxes for every last little thing they can think of ❕️💲❕️
And wrapped reflectors.
I have a question what's your take on the 2011 ISF Lexus?
Awesome video 👍
Very nice video thanks for share all de details
Great review. I am searching for a new vehicle and am interested in both the Camry and the Lexus IS300 AWD. Which is a better buy if price is NOT an issue?
Camry.
Price is the only thing that makes Lexus better but if its not an issue for you then obviously lexus
Not able to download or view the 2 replies to my comment.???
Honestly this one is hard. The IS will drive better but the Camry will likely be more functional day to day
@@TheCarCareNut thanks for the feedback. Both are attractive vehicles but if they are on the same level of dependability/ reliability , the Lexus would be my first choice because I need AWD for the winters here in Nova Scotia. 👍👨🦳🇨🇦
This thing is wicked as hell. Say what you may. But the engineers at BMW and Toyota designed this B58 to give you as close as possible a 2JZ GTE incarnate. 😳
ya. and it sucks alotta dick compared to the 2jz gte theyre impersonating. toyota could of and should of done it better. but instead toyota figured heh. bmw drivetrain is close enough right? yea. just like a miata and a mgb are close enough.
@@drunkpunk5393 - incorrect. Besides, Supra has decades of aftermarket RnD. By contrast, the B58's has fewer, but the potential is being discovered at a fast rate.
@@pmayo7894 your incorrect. Simple. Had Toyota designed a new age 2jz gte it would undoubtedly outperform and surpass its BMW powerplant that we have today. By comparison if Toyota didn't go with a BMW poopplant the supra would be a more potent and faster model. To think all those years of aftermarket r&d go to waste instead of making a powerplant for their own fucking flagship sportscar model. Fuck yota.
@@pmayo7894 how many b58s are making 700+ hp with stock internals for more than 40k miles?!?! Prove to me the b58 is a more potent motor than the 2jzgte and also can reliably hold more hp and tq for longer periods of time than the 2jzgte without altering the internals. Cuz if the b58 can't reliably outperform all the things the 2jzgte did decades ago then BMW fucked up.
@@drunkpunk5393 - again, incorrect. Those are a lot of assumptions.
Cool vid! You really know your field too
You have the most cleanest workshop I haven't seen , you might as well call it a show room
Last time I was at the dealership they had a 1987 Supra with 36k miles in the showroom. It was marked, not for sale, for display purposes only. But on their website a price was listed. This was a week or two ago.
Again I don’t remember much of this era just that a friend owned one and it was his beautiful powerful beast asxI recall.
Good car. The 7M eats head gaskets like crazy. Was so common, that most mk3s would have a bottle of coolant in the back seat. But… swap a 2J and bob’s your uncle.
@@stephenr115 see Dee c fee
@@dogshmog The 7M only eats head gaskets because the head was undertorqued from factory. Toyota will fix it for you even to this day. Doing that will allow the 7M to hit like 500 horsepower easily under mods. Gotta read up that bit before saying the 7M is a bad engine because it truely isn't. Toyota fucked up with it and admitted it, and even offered customers the remedy for free
Is it true that Toyota extensively tested (more than BMW) the B58 engine, in order to make sure it was up to Toyota reliability standards?
My Supra brand new was burning a quart of oil every 700-1,000 miles. Toyota did nothing to fix it. No one at 2 nearby Toyota dealerships knew how to work on it or even wanted to work on it because it's a BMW. They have 1-2 techs per dealership "trained" over a 3 day crash course on how to work on a BMW that they will see only a few times per year. Toyota Corporate did nothing to fix the problem and after months of hearing hot air from them about a TSB that never materialized, I dumped the car. I won't be buying another Toyota product again after they wasted (effectively stole) my money and sold me a defective product without repair. If you want a BMW, buy it from BMW because at least they will know how to work on it.
at 700hp this is anything but reliable xD
My friend who used be Toyota sales person told me that they tested without BMW’s permission.
And Toyota later on admitted internally and said B58 was even better than their expectations :)
It States three replies under you, and I don't see any.
It looks like Toyota didn't do any extensive testing with the 2022 Tundra with all the problems they had with the "waste gate" on Twin turbos.
Great video I love the new Supras and really want one!!!!
I owned two in the 1980’s. Best seats ever. By far. Fit me like a glove
So you start the ;video off by saying the MK4 made 6-700hp with a "few" mods. Then you go on to say how this MK5 holds true to that, then show a nearly fully built car with LOTS of aftermarket mods, only pushing, 600-700 hp... make it make sense.
It's not fully built car the engine internals are stock
Thank You Sir great job.
That's a really nice clean shop!
Bmw chocolate timing chain & guides fitted at the back of the engine.
Not for me
Dreadful engineering.Appalling
I'm trying to have a wonderful day but my 16yo daughter called me this morning on her way to school to tell me she knocked the passenger side mirror off her mom's 2015 Camry. She's paying for it; but lucky me gets to waste a weekend day to replacing it.
Should have kicked her off
😂🤣Don't mean to laugh, but u ARE funny. 😉 Good luck with it.👍 Love those Camry's! 🇺🇸
What oil was used for the oil change? Car is very well modified. Although if it were mine I'd probably change the color of the center caps and calipers to black.
Wonderful video. Can you do a step by step video for fixing the valley plate for a 2ur-gse for the Lexus RCF, GSF, ISF?
The engine bay looks complicated to service for a diy guy, cables and hoses everywhere. Makes me dizzy
LoL
The flywheel is at the back. Good luck.🤣
Reliability is gonna be a big question. Let's see if they can last above 100k miles
the main issue with BMW is electric problems and needing to code anything you replace or it will still think it's broken.
That wing looks fantastic!!!
Very nice.... awesome video. 👌
The true test to this car is how it will hold up 10-15 years for now which modern BMWs don't.
2016 340i already 7 years old is regarded as one of the most reliable engines bmw makes, 2016 was using b58.
Color me skeptical....time will tell but the glass is half empty to me.
To me too
Did you not notice all the wonderful *"Accolades"* he gave this . 😃
Great video
I like that he made the side marker going from orange to body color... 👌
Best Supra was 2nd gen to the 4th gen.
BMW Zupra.
LoL
More like soupra
@@sunilayya8948BMW Z...4upra
Mr. AMD wondering if you could give your opinion on several questions that I have?
What is the quietest Hybrid suv you familiar with excluding expensive brands like Lexus and European brands?
Like to protect my leather seats, can I have them recover with cloth ones ? What you opinion on covering the leather seats.
Enjoy your videos and keep up the great work.
I have owned a BMW before and I will never own another. If a car has any link to BMW it will be a no go forever for me.
Did you not notice all the wonderful *"Accolades"* he gave this . 😃
Same here! Money pit! Plastic everywhere!
Good for you!
Stopped even considering BMW's from 2006 onwards which is the same for almost all German cars.
I totally agree with you
BMW junk.
You do a great job on your videos. However, after looking at some of them (like the one on the 2023 Prius/Prius Prime and this one) I am completely overwhelmed with how complicated newer cars are. Not that I'd be qualified to do mechanical work on any car built since the 1960s but there is no room around the engine, everything is packed in like a can of sardines and it only seems to be getting more complicated! BUT you do a great job explaining and educating the viewer, so thanks!
I mean it’s not a Toyota… but being a BMW isn’t bad
Not the best-looking car for starters. The rear end is ok, but the front is atrocious. I think Toyota should have made their own sports car in house. I mean the 86 is a subaru... the supra is a Bmw... just seems lazy and cheap of them.
Very Lazy of them, just like they are having BYD make their electric vehicles. 🥺
Yeah agree, at least the new hot GR Corolla is all Toyota.
At least the GR86 looks nice on the front and co-developed with Subaru instead of just buying parts like the Supra. But I agree, I would prefer if Toyota made the car themselves. I also don't get why the TRD Camry doesn't come in manual when you can get a Corolla with one.
I feel its ugly all around and inside too. The 400z is much better looking. This supra looks as if it came from a chinese studio. So overstyled.
Yeah the front is so BARF... I don't care if it did 1 second full MILE times at 650mph... it's U G L Y you ain't got no alibi... I'll stick to the "pos" Z instead..
great video,,,,,,thanks
Nice car, incredible build.
Don't Know if it's a mistake or Not But It Sure Is Ugly!!! And I mean Ugly !!!
Oh yes. Designed in china kind of styling.
*"Ugly"* like Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This is beautiful to me, but Teslas are all ugly 👹
other than the roadster
Lol but I like it according to modern time period sport car but not much compare to good old days nostalgic JDM
Can you review Lexus RCF please! I enjoyed this upload, thank you! Awesome Supra
Those bmw straight 6 turbo are a great engine, they deliver power beautifully.