Akhenaten, Moses & the Origins of Monotheism - Guest Lecturer: Dr. James K. Hoffmeier
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2019
- James K. Hoffmeier, PhD is the professor of Old Testament and Ancient Near Eastern History and Archaeology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
Dr. Hoffmeier, who was born in Egypt and lived there until age sixteen, returns often for research, excavation, and teaching ministry. From 1975 to 1977 he worked with the Akhenaten Temple Project in Luxor. He served as Professor of Archaeology and Old Testament at Wheaton College and was chair of Wheaton’s Department of Biblical, Theological, Religious and Archaeological Studies. From 1996 to 1999 he was also director of the Wheaton Archaeology Program. He directed excavations at Tell el-Borg, Sinai, from 1998-2008, and has appeared in and served as a consultant for television programs on the Discovery, History, Learning, and National Geographic Channels. Dr. Hoffmeier teaches and lectures regularly across the USA and internationally.
Fascinating. I wish I could have been there. I’ve loved Akhenaten’s story since I was a teenager. I especially love hearing the pronunciations of names I’ve been reading about for decades.
Fascinating stuff. Thanks very much for the lecture, Dr. Hoffmeier and to the Moore Theological College for uploading it. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
This lecture taught me everything I wanted to know on the topic without going beyond the evidence. That's great.
This is an excellent lecture! I've been fascinated with ancient Egypt since I was 12 and go to see the tour of the Treasures of King Tut in Chcago, IL. As I got older Akhenaten was the one who I wanted to learn more about. This lecture contained a lot of info in a short time. The idea that Akhetaten had a religious epiphany is intriguing. It also makes a lot of sense. It explains a lot of the peculiaralities of his porrayals in art and the building of his new city. From what I've read it seems as though HE worshipped the Aten and everyone else was expected to worship him. Because such an epiphany would be an intensely personal event and also one that would be alien to almost everybody else. Chrisianity is not really a religion about the worship of Jesus. It is a religion founded by Paul after his epiphany on the road to Damascus. I am looking forward to reading your book!
Thank you. Interesting and informative
🌟♦️ Egyptian historical documentation is excellent. Helps the historians to reconstruct sequence of events in a decent way.
Thank you for this enlightening lecture. I am especially pleased because language was brought to such a high level with the nomenclature of persons and places. Language is sort of my thing. Bravo!
Omg finally people are just starting to see a little light through the cracks of wisdom
Amazing. Truly amazing. 'Pyramids were never used as burial sites.
Tx, much appreciated
To me, it is especially interesting that he deemed the worshiping point, The Sun, something that is available to everyone, (virtually) all the time, (save nighttime), and that he eliminated “organized religion”, thereby empowering each individual’s’ autonomous connection to “God.” Likewise, he exemplifies the (free) worship of said omni-accessible “God.”
That does seem like something “God” would inspire someone to do.
Excellent lecture, with good supporting evidence. This is the most scientific discussion I have encountered in considering the possible connection between Akhenaten and Moses.
If anything, Moses influenced Akhenaten. Abraham was the father of monotheism. There is nothing in the bible to suggest that he supported other people worshipping other gods. The opposite is actually true. Everything in this lecture is stretched tbh. I don't think there is any evidence to support anything that's being claimed here. It just sounds like an attempt to force pieces of history together that sound similar.
É tão pouquinho que até dói James Hoffmeier.
Excellent Episode 👍
Extremely Interesting Analysis!🤔
THANK YOU
The criticisms of Freud's theory appear unconvincing and excessively focused on being politically correct. Building an entire critique solely on the Bible's account of Moses' travel duration to meet the pharaoh raises doubts. Considering that the Bible was written centuries after the events, it becomes unreliable for determining precise details like the duration of Moses' journey, whether it was 6 or 12 hours. It should be acknowledged that the Bible is mere collective memory shaped over centuries through oral tradition.
Moreover, this critique misrepresents Freud's theory. Freud posited that Moses served as a priest of Aten and likely fled Egypt following the fall of Akhenaten. However, it is important to note that this event need not have occurred immediately after Akhenaten's reign. One can envision a scenario where the cult's followers remained in Egypt for decades after Akhenaten's rule, and Moses, a zealous priest, eventually fled the country due to persecution this scenario solves the chronology problem.
Furthermore, this critique fails to address the arguments put forth by Freud, such as the Egyptian origin of the name Moses and the biblical narrative of Moses being raised in an Egyptian family and circumcision, among other factors. These elements contribute to the complexity of Freud's theory and should not be dismissed outright
That was hell of a closing!
Excellent
I would love to hear what are your theories about Smenkare.
Thanks very much for the great presentation,fantastic work.👏👏👏
the passover comment was brilliant !
Thanks
Monotheism is one of the most human adaptations for living next to a main sequence star.
Quality. Intriguing. Esp the Great Hymn of Aten
Thank you for an excellent presentation on the subject of Akhenaten. Given the wording of the Hymn to Aten, it's plain that this pharaoh must have had a deep personal experience to have turned from henotheism to monotheism. He was a real historical person. However, the existence of the Biblical Moses is another matter.
Interestingly enough, according to the Rabbinical dating of Moses' life, from 1391 BC to 1271 BC, this would have made Akhenaten and Moses contemporaries.
Another interesting fact is that the Ark of the Covenant made by the Israelites, is modeled on the arks used by the Egyptians to carry their 'gods' with them into war and other ceremonial functions -- from the size, being carried with poles by priests, plated with gold, and even to the point of having winged divine beings forming the top of the arks -- these details can not be dismissed easily. This suggests a strong Egyptian influence upon the religion of Israel.
I gather that giving a presentation at such a conservative theological institution would have to be wisely tailored to the venue. Regardless, thank you so much, Professor Hoffmeier, for being as bold you were.
Akhenaten borrowed from Moses as the Hebrews and their "Exodus" occurred 150 to 200 years before the Pharaoh.
@@canadiankewldude I hope you don't hold to the hypothesis that the Hyksos were the Israelites. You need to do much more study on the matter.
@@jamesshepherd6491 The Hyksos were definitely not the Israelites.
@@canadiankewldude I have listened to an Oxford educated bible scholar who is a lecture on the historicity of the Bible Dr. Francesca Stavropoulou who stated that very little of the Bible is fact and that there is no evidence that David or Moses existed. One thing is sure Jesus never existed so your theory of Moses being 150 - 200 before Pharaohs is all based on myth.
@@drafts05 Professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou, theologian, Bible lover and an atheist.
Sadly there are far to many PhD. theologians who are atheist's.
Mind you, there are equally qualified theologian's, historian's, archaeologist's and the like who actually do believe in the historicity of the Bible.
If you choose to reject what the Bible says, that is of course your choice.
great lecture
If Joepsh was married to the daughter of the priest of Heliopolis, maybe the Aktenaten reforms were a result of an attempted renaissance of the Hyksos powers?
Any chance it could have been for economic or political reasons?
Out one came many, and from many united into one. Are we one in agreement?
The issues i have with evangelicals aside, good lecture
Why would you have an issue with evangelical ?
@@dadsonworldwide3238 the answer would definetely be tldr.
@@dadsonworldwide3238 If you even have to ask, it's pointless to answer. I could do it in two words though: Donald Trump. At least now everybody knows that Evangelicals are completely full of shit with no actual morals or values whatsoever.
@@johanericsson2403 evangelical is a much wider word than American Protestant evangelist.......
U don't have issues with evangelicals u have issues with Christ
Everyone has a statement, opinion, hypotenuse, theory, ect, and then a conclusion. As long as we can agree to disagree, and continue to exist.
All that he talks about, came to life as a shield to the levels of "inner knowledge" aquiered during the Egyptian dynasties.
Idk what you watched but its literally the chronological discovery and how ahmonhotepe broke with religois norms he built statues facing the sun. Archeology sees auknotens father began to lean monotheist but auknoton finished by making it official .its how they discovered these things goes threw what was going on in the period .
I'm 3/4 threw this and have no idea where you are hearing inner or outer knowledge
@@dadsonworldwide3238 My input is not about what he is saying, it's what he is leaving out, but the omition of it serves the goals of those intent on keeping it hidden, thus your question of inner or outer knowledge. The "written word" have been under the control of people obsessed with "getting even" and dominating east, west, north and south, we're living in the aftermath.
24:43 those sun rays look like they aren't shooting out of his head, but shooting up to his head... like Akhenaten is looking up at the pillar of his father and at the sun as if his father is the sun god---- just what i see looking at it
Aten =\= Re . Aten is the sun itself, symbolized by the sun disc. It is a physical and metaphysical concept, symbolized by an easy to understand shape everyone could relate to. He basically wanted to give the people a nonpersonal supreme power they could not put in their living room as idols, like they did with the 40some gods they prayed to before.
Also he did not distort art to make himself look „weird“. Egyptian art was by default highly stylized, however his reign was marked by a wave of realism in art that had never been seen before. Being „truthful“ in your depictions of the world was one of Atenisms most important tenets. To assume that exactly that pharao would caricaturize his appearance, is completely illogical, and shows how even modern scholars still struggle with what he represented.
Henotheism => "Hanafi" in Islam
The characterisation of Henotheism from the Islamic Kalima is often overlooked. It's not that all possible "gods" are removed or replaced, it's that each of those "gods" is in reality, "Allah"
La(ilaha, il-Allah)
A: "There is no god; only Allah." (denying)
B: "There is no god that is not Allah." (accepting)
Do you see the difference...?
A = Monotheism
B = Henotheism
Interesting. Never heard the term.
Moses and Monotheism by Sigmund Freud. Akhenaten & his religion is in the book, a great read.
Another great read is "Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism" by Professor Jan Assman.
The art of the time is most practical reason for his odd depictions. We see this in art so makes more sense that he and others of the time was drawn to the style prolly the courts art school of choice that was later passed on and taught. Auknoton was focused on a new ,a change and profoundly influenced by his father who appears to have been building statues facing then to the sun breaking from norms in building alignments. His father didn't shut down the other cults but was defiantly stripping power from them .in century befire 18th dynasty it was the rebellion where priest actually gained more power than the pharaohs even some became Pharoah of lower Egypt our mapped north. So from that makes political sense they would lean in this manner to break up power as well
If David Rohl's revised chronology were accepted, would Aknenaten still be at the wrong time to be the founder of Monotheism?
@super spade There is no proof for this, or for Moses. There is actually counter-evidence that the Jews were ever in Egypt en mass such as no linguistic evidence or shared cultural markers.
@super spade That's not how proof works. You've told a story, a story without any actual evidence. There is no historical evidence that Moses existed or that the Jews were in Egypt in the numbers of which to have an army. A battle like that would have been written down. The Egyptians wrote all sorts of things down, even loses in battle.
Freud did not say that Moses was Akhenaten, he thought that Moses was one of Akhenaten followers who exited Egypt , it is well known that Akhenaten was the first to establish Monotheism, this was passed down to other religions in the area, at the time of Akhenaten Judaism was still henotheistic .
I thought he didn’t believe in Moses
00:03:57 Monotheism Definition
00:04:19 differences between Monotheism and Henotheism
00:04:31 Henotheism Definition
Akhenaten saw himself as Aton's earthly manifestation
If Akhenaton was reacting to something that happened to his father in the exodus and the plagues, then Moses would not have to be so contemporary specifically with Akhenaton but more so with his father Amenhotep III.
this information needs an update. more findings has been done on this topic
If you can hook us up with a link or two that’d be cool. Aloha.
There are theories of them both being the same person or related.
Yahweh -- the one Hebrew God is mentioned by Amenhotep III (father of Akhenaten, grandfather of King Tut). The people of Yahweh - already lived in Canaan and are referenced in the Pharaoh's temple at Soleb. This credence to the existence of Moses who revealed the name Yahweh to the Israelites in Egypt and to the Pharaoh.
@MoMaMe JuVeSaSu We are talking: 1400 BC here -- 1000 years before there was a Saturn, Aries, Jupiter of the Etruscans/Romans. Not sure how old "EL" is, but maybe (?) predates the EL of the Asiatics. The Chaldean's worshiped the Moon god - Sin/Nanna.
(09, October, 2023, 05:35 p.m. EST)
I have doubts about Israel's monotheism being an out-growth of Pharaoh Akhenaten's worship of the Aten/Aton, or Sun.
My research suggests Israel's monotheism is actually an outgrowth of Neo-Assyrian hymns of praise to their gods.
I noticed that sometimes these hymns of praise, go to great lengths, in which the god Asshur is claimed to embody or absorb all the feats and powers formerly attributed to earlier other gods.
Such as Asshur absorbing the feats and personas of earlier Babylonian gods, replacing Marduk and other gods.
So, for me, this Neo-Assyrian concept (9th/7th centuries BC), of giving excessive praise to their god, Asshur, he absorbing other gods and thus being superior to them, was probably adapted by the Iron Age II Israelites, and applied to their god.
Thus, for me, Israel's Monotheism is not an outgrowth of the Egyptian religion and the Aten/Aton, but of the Assyrian religion and Asshur, of the 8th/7th centuries BC.
I highly recommend the following book to see the praises of God by the Hebrews appearing in the Bible in comparison to Neo-Assyrian gods:
Charles Gordon Cumming. 1934. _The Assyrian and Hebrew Hymns of Praise._ Columbia University Press.
What if Amenhotep IV was a "normal" Egyptian royal, then smthg happened to him, and became smthg else? Possession of some kind (maybe or maybe not physical)? His or it's images are beautiful & disturbing at the same time. He builds a whole new city and then rarely left it. What if we're dealing with two individuals not one?
Pretty good video somewhat however the real status and pictures with the colors would help they are beautiful
The following intrigues me: Is there a correlation of THUTMOSE and MOSES; AMENHOTEP and the prayer word ending AMEN.
Yes.
Moses is an egyptian name, so yes. Amen is a hebrew confirmation term so as "basta", "i told you so", "I mean it" or better "so be it".
ThutmoseIV and Moses were almostcertainly thesame person.
@@Highspergamy I would rather say a higher priest who survived the turn back to the old gods after ThutmoseIV died, that fled to the east with few supporters.
Moses means 'son of', the Thutmoses is 'Son of Thut'.
As we know, in ancient Egypt there were attempts to erase all mention of Pharaoh Akhenaten and his one god, monotheistic religion. So, not much seems to be known about that religion today.
And, beforehand there were attempts to remove the polytheistic religion of ancient Egypt. So, destruction both times. It's a pity the two religions couldn't have existed together in peace and harmony. Dogma does not work. There were also some followers of the monotheistic religion after Akhenaten.
I think he is wrong about Akhenaten's religion being the catalyst for the creation of Judaism. In fact, I think the Exodus story was about some of Akhenaten's followers being expelled from Egypt by the restored priesthood subsequent to his death. Others went south to what us now Ethiopia. And others went westward. The first group wandering in the wilderness for decades afterwards and eventually settling in Palestine.
It is recorded that the Ashkenazi later migrated to the same area after being displaced from Eurasia; north of the Black Sea. Wandering through other areas such as Babylon. Before winding up in Palestine. Likely merging stories and culture with the remnants of Akhenaten's people, creating Judaism.
This would explain all the similarities betweem stories from the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the bible. As well as, the connections and stories of Babylon.
Haven't watched the whole thing yet so maybe it's better defined later but to define a BenBen as the capstone of a pyramid is kind of like defining the cross as something Christians wear on a necklace.
Moses ws Akhenaten. Anyone interested in further study on this subject should definitely check out Sigmund Freuds last book, 'moses and monotheism.'.
The similarities are many. Circumcism, forelocks... Moses is an Egyptian name etc.
Moses is really Tuthmose
He was tuthmose but when he became pharaoh he changed it to Akhenaten to represent his one god and tried to change Egypt’s religion. It didn’t go over so well. Which was his exodus with his supporters.
@laurenbarton6462 seems like a guess. Akhenaten and his predecessors died in Egypt.
Moses didn't. Easier explanation is that Amenhotep or Thumose were his brothers, uncles or other male relatives... father...
I think his father, Amenhotep III actually came up with the idea, but he didn't institute it as the state religion... that was left to Akhenaten. And it gave him all kinds of trouble!
So when God spoke to Moses, what language can we assume it was in?
Firstly what's the proof god spoke secondly if there is god language illeterate Moses could understand how all rubbish
God is imaginary and Moses never existed.
Who knows ?
Who knows ?
Who knows ?
I chose "ancient history" in college thinking I would get this sort of really deep interesting history and how it really shaped our world before. I got only got a deep dive into the political system in Rome.
Akhenetan, Surya and Rigveda by S Kak throw a different picture on this.
Thank you @Suryadevara Rao (this talk, agenda driven & leaves out So much ) I will look into this reference you've mentioned.
Make Aten Great Again
Do you think maybe Akhenaten had a near death experience? Hence the rays of the sun? Just a thought. Xx
Donna, that ATON Symbol Akhenaton was using, was NOT the physical SUN. it is a PHOTON. OVER 3,000 years ago. Akhenaton was telling us that God was a Photon/LIGHT. a photon is a loving, intelligent, LIGHT particle. and, it is a creator particle as well. even the bible tells us, that God is LIGHT...Akhenaton knew this LONG before the bible was written. he was a MASTER Scientist. and Mystical Philosopher.
@@mysticakhenaton1701 hey.......can u please let me know ware this information is from???
I'll explain Hindu astex moon and who constructed every thing and when and a couple incredible why
His religion was not lost, there was a cult that followed called the cult of Aten.
Amen-Re's consolidation sounds much like Constantine's consolidation of Christianity.
While in Ethiopia in 1970 I witnessed part of a marriage ceremony. The bride was riding a donkey accompanied by her family and looked to be about 13.
Emperor Haile Selassie1 once visited. His title on the announcement included Lion Of Judea and almost a full page further.
A theophany? Again like Constantine.
OK, thanks for this. I'd heard about Freud and all but couldn't make the timeline work. But I've heard other arguments that the Hebrew alphabet may have come from Egypt and it seems to me that it would be a huge coincidence if the concept of Monotheism did not also come from Egypt, just not from Amenhotep.
I think his religion failed partly because he abandoned the minor deities. Roman Catholicism kept that aspect. In Vierzhnheiligen in Northern Bavaria, there is the Basilica of the 14 Holy Helpers. Each one of these had a personal specialty to help supplicants. This was still going on in the 1800s
It is funny how the archeologists have gotten the timelines of Egyptian history and biblical history all mixed up as elucidated by David Rohl. Using the classical Egyptian dates, the Hebrews going into Egypt, the Joseph story, was about 1800 BC in the middle kingdom under Amenamhet III. The Exodus, the Moses story, was toward the end of the 2nd intermediate period about 1600 BC. Interesting aside: Santorini eruption approx. also 1600 BC, perhaps contributing to the “10 plagues.” Akhenaten came along around 1300 BC and through some creating thinking transitioned the old Amun religion of the south to the newer Re religion of the north and added an element of monotheism from the Hebrews. While Akhenaten was running Egypt’s power and prestige into the ground with his new religion Saul and David were establishing the kingdom of David over in Israel. It is fascinating how much of the early Judeo-Christian religion had it’s roots in Egypt. Maybe that is why they say “Amen,” (Amun) at the end of all their prayers
Wow. Right at the end where you mentioned Amen has really got me pondering this connection. Thanks, David.
You're welcome
Why didn’t he explain that the Jews of Elephantine were sacrificing rams, lamb and sheep (ovines) during Passover right next door to the native temple of Khnum ,i.e.the Ram god and an aspect of the national diety Amun-Re, the Ram. The Jews initially got away with the sacrilegious behavior because the were under the protection of the Persian empire which had recently conquered Egypt and had brought in Jewish mercenaries and stationed them at the southern border of Elephantine. So one can easily understand why the Jews of Elephantine were not held in the highest esteem by the native Egyptian. It would have helped if he had share a bit of the context.
Never heard that before. Do you have any sources?
@@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733 start with the Wikipedia page “Elephantine papyri “ and do a google search on “the Jewish colony of Elephantine “. Go luck
The "Petition to Bagoas" (Sayce-Cowley collection) is a letter written in 407 BCE to Bagoas, the Persian governor of Judea, appealing for assistance in rebuilding the Jewish temple in Elephantine, which had recently been badly damaged by an anti-Jewish rampage on the part of a segment of the Elephantine community.[8
@@Iknowknow112 cheers.
@@Iknowknow112 we'll have I been on a journey haha started with elephantine island and ended up buying a book on Amazon lol Cosmos, Chaos, and the World to Come. Sounds interesting.
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I gotta look up the Cosmos Chaos book. Anyway good hunting
I'm not sure how accurate some of this information is. The pyramids were never proven to have anything to do with burials. The hebrews in Egypt would not be bothered about the Ram symbol during passover time because passover didn't exist until the Israelites were freed from Egypt. Lol
The temple in Elephantina was built long after the Exodus took place.
@@markus3376 this
Jews have been persecuted since before exodus and a lot more after exodus.
I love how religious people still think there are supernatural things. 38:40 "Did Akhenaten have a Theophany?"
I guess we can't imagine him thinking "I like the idea that everybody pays their tithe to me directly."
I think its makes more sense to think that they had theophany (schizophrenia, or hallucination or whatever it is). That would also explain the repeated episodes, and revelations as well.. Which happen even to this day.. Only most people dont pay attention to such people in most cases atleast.
Are you making the claim that supernatural things don't exist? Because in order to do that, you'd have to account for every single supernatural claim in the history of humanity.... pretty tall order.
@@tubaszuba nope. Claims of exceptional things need exceptional proof. Exceptional stuff is the anomaly. So that needs proof. The burden of disproof, as you mentioned rightly, has no end/finishing point/limit. So the only logically viable position is to demand burden of proof on the claimant and until backed with controlled reproduceable independently verifiable proof, should be considered false. That is also the case with all of science (which is pretty much everything worthwhile that we know about). If too good to be true, it probably is so.
@@NishanthSalahudeen actually, the "exceptional claims demand exceptional proof" isn't really tenable as a standard. If something "exceptional" is the best explanation for a given set of data, shouldn't that be the default until a better explanation is found? The Big Bang is an exceptional event in our universe... it's also the best explanation for the data right now. The data itself is not "exceptional." Is just... data.
Millions of accounts of supernatural events and phenomena over thousands of years (data) certainly seem to indicate some supernatural aspect to our reality, don't you think?
@@tubaszuba you seem to think that exceptional proof was meant to imply some supernatural stuff. "Just data" which is repeatable, independently verifiable, works under any controlled condition etc is that standard for "exceptional " in the case of data. On the other side will be simplistic data like "i saw with my eyes that david copperfield flew about on the stage, he must be an angel". And followed up with "if not, why do you talk about big bang? Where you there to see it?". 🙂. Big bang is one of the many competing theories proposed which have the possibility to be tested for evidence (like after effects or evidence of principles which predicts big bang etc). Big bang is not the one and only final possible final explatation. If you know, string theory is one which is generally rejected as a sound hypothesis because it cant be tested. Otherwise it is as good as saying "superman and batman built the world together and then went to hiding". No one can test that either. Its as valid as any millions of supernatural claims you mentioned. Am not saying that there is no supernatural thing at any point of time... It will exist in human imagination until we find a real explanation and the boundaries of the word "nature" expands. A contagious disease used to be supernatural until we foundout about bacteria and virus. Then "nature" started to include them as well. So supernatural exists in the corners where either our knowledge has not yet illuminated it or the witness have very low standards of evidence and data.
Hey I wanted to eat lunch too .. it left me hungry
Akhenaten was the founder of Monotheism.
@@LuzianJ oh thank you for sharing you
FYI have just exposed a huge hole in my knowledge. Do not expect a Christmas present from me this year. Lol
I have a question.....
Wow! Great video. We teach the new Atenism
I have seen native Africans with Ahkenaten like facial features. Just not such a pronounced chin but you may notice e hold he features of his mother who has the same look. A very Somalia-Sudanese look.
People got married YOUNG in Europe as well. This was not only happening inside of AFRICA.
47:10 TY. What Freud wrote makes sense if you accept position that "Moses", a "bible" stories character never existed.
We have work to do.
But Zoroastrianism pre-dates both? So how even if Akenism was a monotheistic religion does that make him the first? And clearly if Zoroastrianism comes out from India of whom are practicing Hinduism which has multiple (gods) and moves East it ends up in Egypt around the time you see Babylon fall, King Cyrus and his people followed Zoroastrianism influencing the Israelites when they set them free or who would become Israelites. The questio is if Cyrus freed them and helped them build their temple then how did they end up in Egypt? And how would this history of the Zoroastrians and Israelites affect Akenism if at all which seems likely but proof is needed.
The immigration of a few hundred Israelites to Egypt then the exodus of about 2 million from it 200-400 years later and them wandering in the Egyptian Sinai desert for 40 years undetected by the soldiers of the successor to Egypt’s ruler, or the local Bedouin, then the occupation of the land of Canaan and the slaughter of its people, then the powerful kingdoms of David and Solomon
are ALL fictional stories that are not supported by the actual parallel human history of Egypt and Canaan..
These stories are also nothing but a sieve full of scientific and logical holes
Zoroaster lived hundreds of years later.
Zoroastrianism is polytheistic and it is 800 years younger than Atenism.
@@yasharel9888
Zoroastrianism is not polytheistic. That’s a misconception out of ignorance..
It isn't actually known when exactly Zoroaster lived. Some say sometime between 1500 and 1000 BC, others say even as late as 500 BC. It can't be said for certain whether Zoroaster predates Akhenaten or vice versa.
You convinced me that Freud was right. Moses was an Egyptian. Thanks.
For sure, he faked his stories to create a new religion. Religions are a lie.
@Akhenaton Lives the Bible is not a history textbook.
@@labibbiace Moses was born in Egypt, so he was Egyptian! Pretty simple!
Great lecture. I disagree with your analysis about Moses as the more we know about The Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations, the discoveries of cuneiform tablets describing the story of Sergon of Akkad and the uncanny similarity with Mosses story at least should make us wonder and hope for more discoveries. I am not sure who was the first to creat the monotheistic idea and who translated it to the imaginary God, but thanks to the Summarie and Egyptian codification we might one day know!
Akhenaten and Moses, one and the same...
NO!!!
Prince Thutmose, suddenly died and there is very little written about him. Prince Thutmose could have been an illegitimate child and banished to allow Arkenarten access to the throne. Being banished and declared dead and adopting a monotheism could have raised his popularity with the Hebrews. Moses returned to release the Hebrews to declare war with the Canaanites to gain access to the promise land and make him a king.
Prince Thutmose could have looked more like a Hebrew than an Egyptian pharaoh. Being wet nurses by a Hebrew surrogate mother he was influenced to adopt the Hebrew religion, with the idea of a Hebrew becoming pharaoh. Arkenarten followed in the monotheism and become influenced by his brothers teachings.
Prince Thutmose grew not looking like Amenhotep, but Arkenarten did. Prince Thutmose was given the choice of being assassinated or told to leave, taking a Hebrew slave Arron..
20:01 so sad that in a college he point to the bust of nefertiti when the discoverer says himself its fake and a personnal idea of what the original might look like and not at all representative of her ... weird that details is left out
Profs like to be prickly and never admit to connections that may exist. They don't want to be out of touch with their little clans. For years they denied that Jefferson had a child by Sally Hemmings.
10:30. Not just third world countries, but in several states in the USA, children get married at 14.
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Isn’t history awesome.
I wonder who God will be in 3300 years from now? Will there be a return to polytheism?
Monotheism become popular because all monotheistic religions were regimes (religions) of tyrants, pharaohs, Sultans, kings etc which is shortly means dictators of modern day. They reject polytheism because dictators do not accept opposition or do not want to share power with anyone else. Most so called prophets are narcisist dictators.
I will let you know!
Monotheism is heresy. Does this look like the work of one god to you?
It's a mix of work from very different deities that disagree half the time.
There was also no honing of existence.
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I don't pretend to be an expert on this subject and am open-minded on the solution, but even as a layman there's something that blindingly obvious to me. If there is any truth to the story of Jacob's children moving to Egypt, this has to have taken place during the Hyksos period, it doesn't make sense any other way. (And of course, the speech of the "Egyptians" Joseph and his brothers dealt with would've been perfectly intelligible to them as fellow Canaanites.)
The problem that nobody has made a convincing argument for is whether this took place at the beginning or at the end of the Hyksos era. The Bible could be taken to hint that it took place at the very end, by claiming that their status in Egypt plummeted immediately upon the ascent of a new pharaoh. That doesn't make sense unless that new pharaoh was a true Egyptian. On the other hand, the idea that the exodus was part of the expulsion of the Hyksos after the Egyptian conquest of Avaris is very attractive, which would place the Hebrews' arrival at the beginning of the Hyksos period (which makes more sense). But no matter how many historians I read on this subject, I find nobody who offers good evidence for adopting one of these two positions or some other position altogether. If anyone knows of an explication that they find convincing, please let me know.
Josephus believed the Hyksos were Israelites/Jews, but I doubt it. Also, I think only the Joseph and Levi tribes came from Egypt. Most people mentioned belong to those 2 tribes.
@@elpidiogonzalez8193 I'm not saying the Hyksos were Jews, but it makes the most sense if the Jews moved to Egypt when the semite peoples had their own kingdom in the north of Egypt. They could speak the same language, they had the same culture. Then, after the Egyptians reconquered the north, the Jews remained in Egypt when they would have been better off taking advantage of the amnesty and leaving. Then the Egyptians persecute them. To me this is the only way the story makes any sense at all.
I have heard the theory that there were nomadic tribes on the outskirts of Palestine who encountered the fleeing Jewish tribes, and that these tribes somehow merged with the Jewish tribes and became one culture. It would go a long way to explaining why the Jews in Canaan had so little dedication to Jehovah.
You may be right about there having only been a few Jewish tribes in Egypt rather than all descendants of Abraham.
@@GeraldM_inNC , I agree with you on the Syrian origin because of Deuteronomy 26:5.and Harran and use of Aramaic. I also did the chronology and they were in Egypt 160-180 years. If I use my own family last 120 years there were over 360 descendants from both mom and dad's sides. I actually heard it from a Jew in 1982 that not all tribes went to Egypt. Then I realized that Exodus is not the oldest book but the book of Jashar, about Joseph and his brother Benjamin. King Saul was a Benjaminite and was the first to chronicle his tribe. David and Solomon from Judah tribe took power for about 80 years but lost it.
Interesting that majority of Kohanim are J1(Arab), but Levites are J2 (Syrian) and E1(Egyptian,Cananite). Sephardim are J2 and Ashkenazi J1. Now mose means born in Egyptian. He either adopted the name of Thutmoses III ruled before Akhenaten and conquered what is Syria now in 1440s BCE and Ramoses(Ramses I,II, III) after Akhenaten 1300-1180s BCE. The fact that psalm 104 matches Akhenaten's Hymn implies "Moses" was born.and lived under Rameses I and II. So Israelites entered under Thutmosis III in 1440s when he conquered Mitanni(Syria).
@@elpidiogonzalez8193 Which pharaoh do you think Abdi-Hema of Jerusalem wrote to, asking for help against the Hebrews?
Where does Abraham fit into all this??
Many hundreds of years earlier.
Simple watch prophet Joseph pbuh) for detail
Akhenaten patented the, "We are the Chosen People because we believe in the one, true God. Everyone else go to Hell." Line. That's a fair description of monotheism. His idea has been ripped off ever since
Beeen. Check out the Zep Tepi which is the time of the Gods, it’s very similar to the creation story in every bible. “I wander who is plagiarising who”. Very intriguing. And very sloppy work job on the plagiarism.
@@rbnation9499 I'm going back in time to check!
I am a jew who is of this line as well proving that i am of the line of solomon
Moses is earlier than this. This is closer to David than Moses if you follow the bits and pieces.
The biggest problem is isreal and early archeologist mixing up names .Moses would be more around 1500
David Solomon isn't in
Moses is just a story. And it was ritten WAY later than Akhematen.
Ahmed Osman did it first and i have all his books they are wonderful and the FIRST and by far the BEST written in 1987
I have read Osman, but Sigmond Freud said it first that we know of
It's a shame that his religious beliefs are obscuring his research.
Unfortunately for you, no professional Egyptologist, evangelical or jewish or muslim or atheist or whatever, will ever accept Moses-Akhenaten conspiracy theories. That's just how it is.
RE is pronounced RAY, to rhyme with BAY.
No it's not.
Yes I understand it is preserved that way even now in Coptic speech.
The Garden of Eden was the Garden of the Aton or Eton.
That is why the Israelite god is called the Adon, on 20 occasions.
So Akhenaton and Kiya (not Nefertiti) were Adam and Khava (Eve).
That is why Akhenaton and Kiya were always depicted as naked in the Garden of the Aton.
The Genesis story is a copy of the Hymn to the Aton
See book: Eden in Egypt.
P.S. Akhenaton was portrayed in that unusual fashion because that is what they thought the gods looked like. The same as the modern ‘Grey’ in sci-fi films.
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Adon=Baal=Master=Owner
Aton=female donkey, like one Moses rode.
Antiokhus Epiphanes claimed to find a clay white donkey head in the Holiest of Holys.
@@user-wq5zt3px6l hey.........ware is this information from??? Are there words Hebrew???
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
I think the theory is that Moses was a priest or follower of the Aken religion who stayed loyal to that new religion as the old religion was resetablished. This dosn't rule out a second theophany by Moses ofcourse but it would be a monotheism to monotheism conversion with the second theophany serving to validate him as the new leader of the flock in the absence of pharonic support. After all the whole history of monotheism is successive prophets claiming new revelations from the prior god which validate the new prophet and update the monotheistic practice, it is hardly extreme to claim that Moses was doing to Akenaten what Jesus and Mohammed would later do to him.
No, the Israelite slaves knew who God is, they prayed to the God of Abraham.
Moses was called by the same God and given power by God to bring his nation out of egypt, their God is Yehovah.
Moses was a slave right? No pharaoh would associate with slaves nor make them a priest 😂
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Moses was an adopted child of pharoah, he was educated, and held a high position in pharoahs court.
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Also look up Joseph, he started out a slave and became second in charge of egypt, second only to pharoah so there is 2 counts against your comment.
Yes, we don't know what happened to the religion or its followers and priests. It is there, and then it's gone.
It goes way deeper than this speaker goes into the matter. There is quite a bit of discontent of influential and powerful former priests from the temples that are now cut off from funding and they try to stir unrest and regain their power. They succeed and Akenaten's name and image is wiped from everything they could find and they return to the old system. So it's imaginable that after the return of old religion the Aten priests and followers had to flee the country against angry mobs and priests.
You can't understand Sigmund because you look at life through eyes of wyt lens
he just covered Sigmund Freuds "Moses an the monolithic Religions"
WTF
4:20 but if thats so then monotheism doesnt exist. Yahwe never denied the existence of any of the gods, in fact he acknowledges them. Yahwe is seth a god who hates to see other gods being worshipped. Envy is his primary quality- look it up, sounds familiar? I am talking abt seth. So he knows they exist or existED as he- using the story of christ- actually succeeded in annihilating the pantheons of the pagan world. But the gods arent fully dead, just extremely weakened
The other "gods" are the fallen angels and starry host who sided with lucifer. Remember they got kicked out for their pride of not wanting to worship us.
I wish I would've studied Ancient Egypt in history instead of endless boring Roman Empire stories
Rome is good studying. Cross reference it with king Nebuchadnezzar’s dream statue.
There's no time like the present to study the past
Do your self a favor and Study the Historical Imhotep of Kemet 2700 B.C. which became the Land of Egypt and Imhotep who to me with out question is Joseph of the Bible. Akhenaten who's real name is Amenhotep the 4th is the decendante of Imhotep the Vizer High Priest of the Pharaoh Djoser which is now known as the First Polly Math Genius in Recorded History. It is never to late to learn for your self the Truth that will set you Free From Lies and Deception. God Gave each Human being a Brain for a very Good Reason and that which you do not use you lose. Have a Great Day Full of Blessings AMEN
Imagine thinking rome is boring 🤦🏼♂️
@@spiderknight9893 I couldn't. Rome is so fascinating.