Actual EVIDENCE for the Exodus (with Titus Kennedy)
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- Опубліковано 18 лип 2022
- Dr. Titus Kennedy is to talk about some of his favorite evidences for the Exodus of Moses and the Israelites from Egypt. Join us for some more context, analysis of the historical and cultural setting of the Exodus , and a deeper understanding of the texts. Dr. Titus Kennedy believes a solid historical case can be made that the Bible got it right. We discuss key findings that support the traditional biblical chronology of the exodus.
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I love how the two bookworms have so many shelves of books, their backgrounds make it look as if they're in the same room. 🙂
“ Ancient cultures didn’t record their defeats or embarrassments. “ -except for the Hebrews, whose records seem to, strangely, be a long catalogue of self-criticisms.” Which is something to think about.
The Hebrews did it too in regards of their battles with those who worshiped the god Mot. The Hebrews tell a different version of events than those of the tribe who worshiped Mot. The Torah itself was written around 586BCE. The Hebrews were henotheist (worshiped many gods but had a supreme) and were anti Babylon. The stories of Abraham and Moses have an anti Babylon and pro Henotheism narratives to them... the issue is that both narratives did NOT exist is Moses's time nor in Abrahams time. This means the stories of Abraham and Moses were likely made up during the religious reformation by the Hebrews in 600BCE when the Torah was written.
@@kevinshirley9344 Hebrews did not believe in many gods that’s a false statement.
Egypt was hit by plagues including the death of every first born son and that wasn’t recorded??? BTW the Egyptians catalogued a lot of tragedies including famines and a catastrophic war with the ‘sea people’ (Hittites?). Also at the time of the biblical account of the exodus, the evidence supports Egyptian governance of Canaan! His argument is a mess
@ronaldridgardo2564 Of course they did. Idolatry was rampant throughout ancient Israel. That's the main thing God punishes them for throughout the OT. God told them not to have other gods, but they did anyways.
No true at all. Romans recorded all the battle even wrote poems about the defeat. Any really major empire reported their defeated in their records.
My family and I visited Cairo this past September. Our tour guide, a highly accredited Egyptologist who is also a local, took us to the Egyptian Museum. At one point she took us to a back room with artifacts that were open for the public to see, but also partially in storage. There was a large stone tablet with lists of names of families or lineages in Egypt inscribed in hieroglyphs. She was able to read hieroglyphs and pointed out a section towards the bottom right hand corner of the tablet that says “Israel” and she suggested that it might be some evidence for the Israelites in Egypt. She also mentioned that if this artifact were in Israel, it would be a main attraction. It was in the back room there because it’s not exactly a source of pride for the Egyptians. I would like to ask Dr. Kennedy if this tablet is widely known and studied among the scholarly apologetics community. I thought it was a pretty cool find!
Yes that’s it! I didn’t realize it was called a stele. Thanks for pointing that out!
According to Dr. Douglas Petrovich the Ezbet Rushdi Stele may contain the names of Jacob and Joseph. Read his book"Origins of the Hebrews: New Evidence of Israelites in Egypt from Joseph to the Exodus" (2021).
Dr. Douglas Petrovich gives solid answers and he comes with evidence for the Exodus during the reign of Amenhotep II in 1446 BC (Early date of the Exodus).
This is an interview with Dr. Douglas Petrovich the author of "Origins of the Hebrews"
ua-cam.com/video/unSfyaEKwTY/v-deo.html
It was discovered in 1896. Interesting it is not a more popular artifact!
If you want to ask for more information about this, I recommend the weekly Q and A run by Egyptologist Dr David Falk over on his channel Ancient Egypt and the Bible.
Excellent discussion on the case for the biblical Exodus, Drs. McDowell and Kennedy. Thanks so much..
Takes a Christian to call bullshit an "excellent discussion."
@@bartbannister394 Aw, look at the stunning and brave little atheist trolling in the comments! So cute. 😂
I’m absolutely fascinated by this stuff. I loved “Patterns of Evidence” and truly appreciate the cautious and careful approach that Dr. Kennedy presents here. Well done!
If you're fascinated by this stuff, I'd recommend the three-part Exodus Rediscovered series on the Inspiring Philosophy channel, and also most of the content on the Ancient Egypt and the Bible channel, run by Egyptologist Dr David Falk. They present a different case for the Exodus from Dr Kennedy, and it's well worth being familiar with both versions.
The three part series mentioned above makes the case for Ramses the Great being the Pharaoh of the Exodus which I find unconvincing to say the least. I am glad however that the makers of the documentary do believe in the Exodus as an actual event though… that’s good.
@@harrymaurer7984 Why are you unconvinced when the Bible itself says that Israelites made grain silos in the city called Ramesses that was literally built by Ramesses the Great and there wasnt any settlement before Ramesside one on that location ever. Also Pithom is made by none other than you guessed it Ramesses the Great as well, he was the one who built the House of god Atum (literal translation of Pi-thom) in that scarcely populated village and thus made it repopulated again with that new name (ie. Pithom). Grain silos are found in both Pi-ramesses and in Pi-thom that are dated, you guessed it, around the time of Ramesses the Great that fit the description of mud bricks mixed with straw from the Bible. The only real thing thats bothering you is that it doesnt fit 480 years (or 440 according to Septuagint) from the book of kings and dates that are given in the book of Judges. So we have to choose one or the other, either say that Israelites left Egypt before there even was Pithom and Pi-ramesses or that the dates are wrong/metaphorical/exaggerated/symbolical (I mean 480=12*40 sounds familiar? Also there are dozens of ancient near east temple dedication inscriptions that use rounded symbolical numbers like 720=12*60 or 40 or 400 that are also clearly not literal and sometimes off by centuries)
@@magnificentuniverse3085 Hello. Ramses 2 could not possibly have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus for a host of reasons a few of which I will mention here. First it is important to realize that the Bible itself never mentions the name of the Pharaoh of the Exodus. Just because the name is mentioned as a city or land does not mean the Pharaoh was Ramses. One reason Ramses 2 could not have been the Exodus Pharoah is because of the mention of the Israelites in Egyptian records themselves. Ramses 2 son Merneptah mentions them as being a people group in Palestine at that time. They were already an established people group at that time in Cannon. Go read about the “Merneptah Stele”. The mention of Israel in that victory Stele next to other city states means that the Israelites were an established people at that time and did not just wander into the land recently. The “Soleb Temple Cartouche” dated to 1396-1358 BC mentions the “nomads of Yahwehs land” That’s considered the earliest mention of the name Yahweh outside of the Bible and clearly states that the Israelites were considered a Bedouin or non-settled type of people at that time… but that they were located somewhere in Cannon. That inscription is from the reign of Amenhotep III. The Israelites were most likely in the “conquest of the land of Cannon” phase at that time. There are other such mentions of the Israelites as well including the “Amarah West Inscription”. Also you have the fact that nothing in The life of Ramses 2 even remotely mentions or hints at any trouble during his reign. He was the most successful of all Pharaohs. In fact, Ramses is said to restore Egypt to its former glory and bring it back to its rightful place on the world stage… though the Egyptians never mention what exactly happened before him to make them weak. In fact… Egypt has some problems from about the middle of the 18th dynasty all the way until Ramses 2 in the 19th dynasty. There are a bunch of weak rulers who are in power for very short periods of time. The best explanation of why the name Ramses appears in the Bible is that when the Israelites start to settle in the Land of Canon and are making new copies of their history… they use the name of the areas they are from that were in use at that current time!! In other words… when the conquest is over and there is some peace (and shortly thereafter) they use the name Ramses cause that was it was called at that very time in the 1200’s and 1100’s BC. What we are not being told is that the name Ramses was used during the slavery period several hundred years earlier. The cities had all changed names and the Israelites wanted to make sure that people understood where they came from. The strangest use of the name Ramses however is in Genesis 46:28 and 47:11 in reference to when Joseph was alive. There is zero chance that the land was called Ramses in Jospehs time either. But it’s not a problem at all… the writers and copiers of texts in the period of the Judges and possibly early Monarchy just decide to use the name Ramses cause that’s what it was caulked at that time and they want to be clear that the same place ancestor Joseph went to is the exact same place that they eventually are enslaved in and leave miraculously by Gods power.
@@harrymaurer7984 Thank you for your lengthy argumentation. Ill tell you what are my thoughts on examples you gave.
1. You first mentioned Marneptah Stele and then said that its impossible for Israelites to be mentioned by him if they left Egypt during the reign of Ramesses II. I just want to remind you that Ramesses II lived for about 90 years and reigned for almost 70 years, Marneptah reigned for 5 years when he wrote the Stele. There are 75 years there, which is perfectly enough for Israelites to leave Egypt and then come to the promised land if they left in the beginning or even middle of Ramesses rule even if we take 40 years of wandering literally. (There are some arguments and examples in extra-biblical Levantine sources that 40 years arent meant to be taken literally but were an idiom). The determinitive thats next to the word Israel on the Stele is for "foreign people" and the fact that they are mentioned next to the Hivites on the Stele (who were the wandering remnants of the Mitani empire in Canaan) implies that Israelites were a wandering nomadic tribe in the part of Canaan where Marneptah had his conquest. Marneptah in Israel Stele also says that Ashkelon, Gezer and Yenoam were Canaanite cities when he defeated them. Ashkelon was taken by Israelites from the Canaanites at the beginning of the time of Judges by Judah and Simeon after Joshua died (Judges 1:18) so it either happened before Israelites took it or when they lost Ashkelon to Philistines (who are also not considered Canaanites but sea peoples that are well known to Egyptian sources, so the former makes more sense if we want to say that Marneptah didnt make a mistake on the Stele). Gezer was also taken by Israelites during Joshuas conquest, and it stayed Israelite. True the text says that they didnt drive out the Canaanites from Gezer but that they lived together there, but the text says that Israelites made them pay tribute and enslaved them, so it was technically Israelite city and not Canaanite. So again, Marneptahs conquest must have been before Israelites took Gezer from Canaanites or he made a mistake there. Yenoam was also mentioned as a border to the land of Ephraim and it stayed Israelite. Again Marneptah considered all those cities Canaanite and not Israelite, for him Israelites were comparable to wandering nomadic Hivites. So Marneptah Stele as it stands can perfectly fit the timing of Joshuas conquest, far more so than later Judges period.
2. As for the Shasu of Yahu it is on a list of foreigners that goes like this:
...Shasu of Seir
Shasu of Laban
Shasu of Payaspayas
Shasu of Samata
Shasu of Yahu
Shasu of Turibaru...
Most of those are confirmed toponyms (placenames) in Edom. So it implies that Yahu is toponym in Edom as well and not a name of a deity. But, some of the toponyms are theophoric (like Betel which means House of God/El), so is Yahu theophoric (ie. does it come from the name of God?). Well maybe but there isnt much evidence, actually there is evidence that points to that its not a theophoric toponym. In Egyptian theophoric toponyms there is a god/goddess determinitive hieroglyph that literally tells the readers of that toponym "this part of the toponym is a name of one god/goddess". For example Per-Het-Haret and Baal-Zephon and Pithom have a determinitive that there is a name of god in those placenames. Yahu doesnt have that determinitive, so Egyptians who wrote the inscription either didnt know that its a theophoric name or made a mistake or knew that its not a theophoric name. Also what are Israelites doing in Edom during Amenhotep III 57 years after early date exodus? Also they are explicitly told not to go trhough Edom in the Bible when they were going to the promised land.
3. I think that you are overestimating the prosperity of Ramesses II, Egypt was soon swarmed by Lybians and sea peoples after him and they really had a hard time protecting themselves then, and practically lost their firm hold of Palestine.
4. You say that later Israelites edited Torah and added the name of Ramesses because it was a name used in their time for the place they inhabited earlier that had a different name back then. I already said that there was no settlement on the ground of Ramesses before Ramesses, so your explanation doesnt hold water. It means that Israelites not only changed the name of the place but the place itself. The use in Josephs time is clearly anachronistic and uses the placename that was popular in the time of the writer and it uses a broader term "land of Ramesses" but in Exodus its explicitly said that Israelites built grain silos in the cities of Ramesses and Pithom. There hasnt been any city at the place of Pi-Ramesses before Ramesses II, only a barren island that had never been inhabited before.
Clark Kent as a biblical archaeologist. Can't fool me. 🤣🤣
Lol, he s cute
Thank you for all.
May you be well.
Thanks for doing such great research. It is greatly appreciated.
I always love this kinds of dialogues!
love both of these guys!!
Many overlook the fact that in the Exodus story, after the Hebrews exited Egypt, they arrived at Mount Sinai. The Sinai Peninsula was always part of Egypt. However the real mount Sinai mentioned in Exodus is located in modern-day Saudi Arabia.
Also note that archaeologists used to think the city of Troy was mythical until an archaeologist took the initiative to go to the geographic area where the City of Troy should have been & indeed it was found.
The Torah (first 5 books of the OT) was written around 500BCE. This was a time during the Levant where the Hebrews were Henotheists and anti babylon (586BCE). The Henotheist and anti babylon did not exist in the Levant prior to the 900BCE. This is significant because the stories of Abraham and Moses were stories that were pro Henotheism and anti bablyon narratives. Moses and Abraham would not have been either, this means the stories are likely made up during the babylon exile rather than actual historical stories. God even refers Himself to Abraham in Genesis in a way that is ONLYL known to people during the babylon exile era, and NOT in Abrahams time!! Keep in mind that in 600BCE the Hebrews had a religious reformation... its too much of a coincidence that the stories of the torah being Henotheist and anti babylon happen to be true during the reformation of Hebrews being Henotheists and anti babylon....Its not a coincidence, it means the stories of Abraham and Moses were not historical.
@kevinshirley9344 your statement seems a bit biased towards the postmodern world view. Let me add that the pentateuch was written by Moses according to tradition. So when you say that these 5 books were written by the jews after the fact that there was a law, this would mean that they had no law. When the bible talks about the law of Moses, it would actually be the laws of the jews made by the jews. About Abraham, then the whole things of genealogies would have to be wrong, Issac, Jacob, all would be made up characters which are recorded in the genealogies of Jesus. Meaning that the genealogies of Jesus was complete bogus, and that there was not a Issac that leads to Jacob, and then a Jacob that leads to Abraham, the father of the jews whom God made a nation out of. I would need to ask for your evidence on what made you think these events were recorded hundreds of years after the events occurred, along with the fact the evidence on why you think this was written during the bablyonian exile, where making a religion would be the least of their concerns, and that their top priority is to survive. Please provide evidence and not claims.
@@sakatagintoki4164 That is not correct... the Torah was NOT written by Moses or anyone who knew Moses for a couple of reasons... one is that the Torah was written around 500BCE that told stories such as Abraham and Moses that reflected the time era of 500BCE rather than the era's Abraham and Moses lived in. This means that the stories of both could not have been passed down by oral traditions as such errors would not be present in oral traditions. Anti Babylon narrative and the pro Henotheism era existed between 800BCE to 200BCE yet both Abraham and Moses's stories are anti babylon and pro Henotheism, they are both suppose to exist before 800BCE.... So it does not makes sense that these are oral traditions but rather newer concepts created as a direct result of the Babylon exile (around 500BCE). The second thing is that no evidence exists of Moses's story despite everything we know of that area in history. The story of Moses bares a striking resemblance to the Babylon exile that cannot be just a coincidence. Moses is also references Henotheism but the Hebrews are not Henotheist during Moses's supposed time era.
The bible plainly tells us moses went to the land of Midian and that is where the mountain of God was. Midian is in current day saudi Arabia. How the biblical mt sinai was placed far off west of Midian is unclear but another example of how men work to distort truth.
@@SnowAngelfishhonetly will make way more send the Sinai to be in arebia then Egypt, phero send moses in exile, off Egypt so could be east off arabia.
If the exodus doesn't exist then why would a tribe write a fiction about them getting enslaved by other nations? Then after being freed, they're stuck in the desert for 40 years and not immediately end in happily ever after. Knowing how prideful a tribe can be, they couldn't have made that up unless it's true.
to "WRITE" a fiction about yourself being enslaved, do you have to be "PROUD" of yourself when all you are doing is "WRITE" ? Why must the process of me taking a pen and a piece of paper to WRITE something down (about myself) NECCESSITATE or make it COMPULSTORY for me to now "BE Proud" of that writing (as a PRE-REQUISITE) ? Is it really IMPOSSIBLE for me to WRITE something (about myself) UNLESSS I am PROUD of that thing ? So I MUST BE PROUD of myself in order to WRITE something about myself . . . right ?
The criteria of embarrassement is actually one that is used by all historical scholars when researching any ancient text. If something is embarrassing to the author or the people (group) that the author is representing, then the appearance of embarrassing material is said to be probably due to it being so widely known that it couldn't be dodged, and sometimes it might be portrayed in a way to soften the embarrassement - or even explain it away.
Professional academic scholars certainly do employ this particular criteria in their tool chest of textual criticism.
When they see this it tends to bolster probability of historicity per their overall analysis.
Nah. People love to fantasize about being oppressed. Just look around at the culture today
Why would people write fiction? Hmm. I don’t know😂
Even if you take everything you said as logical and absolutely true the answer becomes more obvious. This is a group of people that are conquered that wrote book that describes how to exist as a conquered people. We use to be great, we will be great again when god returns.
“Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.”
Ephesians 4:31-32 ESV
Follow the perfect example of Christ. Allow the Spirit to guide you and produce the fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control). And be reminded of how good God has been to you. Just as He has shown us endless love, grace, mercy, compassion, and forgiveness let us look to show those things to others. And never forget how much we have to be thankful for every day. It is in giving thanks to God that we remind ourselves of who He is and what He has done. Hopefully this helped and encouraged you today. God bless you!
Thank you Sean. I am in Egypt right now and our tour guides are silent about this. Glad that you did this video.
Because it didn't happen. Hard to talk about something that never happened.
You sound like someone who visited NY, and is upset the tour guides were silent about showing you Spiderman's actual home.
Sarcasm? 😅😅
Actually the tour guides would love for this information to be true 😅.
They are either Christians or Muslims. Do both believe in this story and they would have been very very happy to talk about it 😁.
But as you said they never mentioned it as it's not true 😊
So no one's seen the documentary series Patterns of Evidence? So much evidence there. One example is in the ancient city in Egypt of foreigners called Avaris. There is one area that has twelve small tombs with one much larger with a statue of a ruler upon who's shoulder we see faintly a coat of many colors.
One thing on the coral encrusted chariot wheels is that metal is detected at the center. It's also at a under water land bridge of sorts, off of a large beach that could even hold over a million. There's much more.
( Coral makes itself into a wheel shape but only there in the Red Sea... With a metal center. Right.)
The times referred to by Dr. Kennedy were punctuated by the Bronze Age collapse which was triggered in part by massive volcanic upheaval all around the Mediterranean. These include earthquakes, accompanying tsunamis and volcanic eruptions like that of Santorini. This disruption would be an ideal time for slaves to escape from Egypt. Moreover, many of the phenomena associated with this tectonic unrest have striking resemblance to the Plagues of the Biblical account. Greatly enjoyed this outstanding presentation!!
Precisely!
Sean and Titus, what version of the Bible do you prefer to use in your study? Thank you for the great job both of you do.
Thanks! Another great conversation.
Two of my favorite brothers in Christ! Excellent interview, thank you both and God bless!
Ahh, thanks!
@@SeanMcDowell Here you are thanking the people you are taking on a ride. So buddy, find a way to delete this comment before the cat gets out of the bag.
I’m super excited for video! Very rare to see the evidence for the exodus. Praise the Lord! Next time, could you make a video on Gnosticism? I think it’s very hard topic nowadays
Enjoy! Thanks for the suggestion on Gnosticism.
There's plenty of evidence for the Exodus out there. Just on UA-cam, Inspiring Philosophy recently released the third and final part in a series of videos outlining evidence for the Exodus (covering the exit from Egypt, the wandering period, and the conquest respectively). He collaborated with Egyptologist Dr David Falk, who has gone into the issue many times on his channel Ancient Egypt and the Bible - and who has appeared on lots of different Christian channels talking about the subject. There is currently a lack of good books on the subject, though.
Thanks for the interview. Looks like a great book!
Interesting conversation. Enjoyed that. Thanks.
You bet John!
Hi! I just wanna say that the sound in your videos has been very low for a while. Gotta turn it up a lot to hear what’s being said. Other than that I love the content you post! :)
Wonderful Gentleman!
thank you for this information. God bless you for sharing this with us.
Oh man, how much I enjoyed this
Please also invite Dr. Falk here, he is the resource person on Inspiring Philosophy's docu on Exodus. Really compelling archaeological evidence on the later date and explains the conflict with early date
No thanks. Falk is condescending
Does Falk have an opinion on who the exodus pharaoh was?
@@MarkNOTWYes see "Exodus rediscovered" By Inspiringphilosophy and Egyptologist David Falk
Love this! Thank you, sirs, for a super informative discussion.
This is so absolutely awesome… The ground war of us normal people is often lost in soundbites. This is very helpful.❤
This was incredible!!!
I didn't realize Clark Kent was a Christian, how cool! I wonder if Superman knows🤔
But seriously thank you for this discussion, I look forward to reading Dr. Kennedy's book!
Mild-mannered archaeologist by day….
Titus is doing some great work! :)
Excellent content
Very well presented.
FIRST question for Dr. Kennedy. Biola University is a Christian university with a "statement of faith" required of its faculty. It also has clearly defined theological positions stated on its website. "The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are without error or misstatement in their moral and spiritual teaching and record of historical facts."
My question - Dr. Kennedy, hypothetically, if you studied the evidence and came to the conclusion that the Old Testament account of Moses and the exodus was completely unsupported by evidence and that it was unlikely such evidence would come to light, and consequently could only conclude that the Bible account was extremely unlikely to be a correct account of history, would you lose your job and income?
To be fair, finding not only a complete absence of evidence but also large amounts of evidence directly contradicting their position has been failing to deter apologists from their predetermined position for centuries...
@@noneofyourbusiness7055 Watch Exodus Rediscovered by Inspiring Philosophy. There IS compelling evidences, both internal and external.
Hey now, it’s the secular academics who bring presuppositions and ideological biases to the table!
That scenario is moot: he has found much supporting evidence.
What “large amounts of evidence” do you think have ‘contradicted’ Biblical accounts?
Hey Sean,
Great video!
I recently bought Dr. Kennedy's book titled "Excavating the Evidence for Jesus" and reading it now. I am in the middle but so far it's an awesome book!
I am glad that you invite him for discussion(s).
God bless you both!
That’s great to hear!
Holy Shite! In 1948 the Israeli government hired the best archeologists to show how Israel became a nation. After 50 years of digging they proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the exodus never happened. Dr. Sean has no shame.
@@bartbannister394 How can you prove the existence or non-existence of a 3500 years old historical event? As we go back more and more years in the past, we have less and less materials to prove that smth was true or not true. There are a tons of assumptions and interpretations about those excavated/discovered items. Some of them are implying things seemingly clearly, some of them are not. But ultimately, the interpretation depends on your worldview. A materialist/evolutionist always sees it as how to avoid to explain it without God Almighty (or simply without a creator). The same true of antisemites and semites. History/archeology is a low confidence science so either you believe what they present to you or not... and most probably you will lean to the explanation that is align with your worldview. Me, as a evangelical (biblical) Christian who believes in Our Saviour God Jesus Christ, the book in question reveals the Truth. Again, History is not practical Physics (= high confidence science) so it has much less confidence as you cannot repeat and observe the historical events how they happened, while in Physics eg. the gravity can be observed/examined any time on the Earth. Or in Math eg. the pythagorean theorem was proven for 2500 years and it is not falsifiable while History is written by the winners and interpreted/distorted based on the cultural norm/political powers (ideologies). Today, the materialist/evolutionist doctrines are widespread and it is really really hard to get money for a science which is against it.
@@oltyant Where did you get this crazy idea from? Of course the past is verifiable if there is good evidence. 2500 years ago Thucydides said that 192 soldiers were buried in a mound at Marathon. Sure enough there were 192 skeletal remains found within that mound.
@@bartbannister394 That the past isn't verifiable is a crazy idea. But so is the idea that Israeli archeologists "proved that the Exodus never happened", least of all "beyond a shadow of a doubt". That is indeed shite!
INCREDIBLE Interview. 🔥😍🔥
this is a big revelation thank you for this video!
I saw Dr. Kennedy's book behind him on his bookshelf and already ordered it. It was fascinating to hear about all of this. I think my favorite parts are the "Point A to Point B" thought process as well as the Yahweh inscritpion in the Soleb temple (someone please correct me on the name of that temple). Also, his use of negative evidence is especially interesting given how Dr. Kennedy mentioned the Egyptians likely wouldn't have recorded and publicized their military defeat like that. Thanks for the great video!
You bet. Glad you got it!
What's really interesting is how Christianity shows us how much like monkeys human beings can be. When monkeys choose a leader, they do it on faith. It makes them feel safe inside to be behind a protector who can save them. Humans have more imagination, god drowned the entire Egyptian army. And monkeys believe it!
@@SeanMcDowell ok sean i dis agree with DR KEnnedy scripture dose not back up what he saus cause clearly in Exdodus it says theu built cities for pharoah pithom and rammses ok if the is right then it cant be amenhotep because that is going against scripture and it cant be updated p;ace names cause if that is what he is saying then how can u say the passage he is using is right and that they didnt change it
This was a great interview. I would have like to hear his opinion on possible evidence for the Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia were many claim is evidence were Moses went up to get the ten commandments. I am glad Sean asked about many people saying there is evidence of archeological evidence on the bottom of the Red Sea. Great Interview...
I think they need to investigate Petra in Jordan . Moses brother was buried there on Mount Hor. There is a valley there called The Valley of Moses. His brother Aaron is buried on Mount Hor. Petra was a very important city in antiquity. A staff which could be the staff of Moses was found at the Place of the Serpent, it is now in Birmingham Museum in the Egyptian Gallery.
Holy Shite! In 1948 the Israeli government hired the best archeologists to show how Isral became a nation. After 50 years of digging they proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the exodus never happened. Dr. Sean has no shame.
@@bartbannister394 It did't happen at the time they thought it had happened, that's all. It doesn't mean it's all a fairy story.
@@linda0506 Archeologist can find absolutely no trace of Moses, nor a large population of Jews living in Egypt, at anytime. They can't find a trace of King Solomon. Nor his great temples. His words of wisdom are copied from the Egyptians. Moses and Solomon are proven fairytales. There is one bit of evidence found in the bible. They found one potsherd with David's name on it. It came from a site belonging to a minor warlord, not the king of a great empire.
@@bartbannister394 No evidence of the temples? Isn't the destruction of the second temple documented?
Thank you for this great video. Xx
Thank you so very much 😊!
I also watches “Patterns of Evidence.” Shifting the actual time line back 350-400 years causes purported evidence that has been discovered to align with the accounts of Exodus. It also shakes the established scholarship of Egyptology.
It's always a boost to my faith to hear about scientific archeology that upholds the bibles stories aka scriptures.
What about the overwhelming science that disproves what the bible says? We know from geology the Earth is close to 4.5 billion years old. We know Adam and Eve could not have populated Earth from incest. We know Noah's arc could not have repopulated the Earth with only 2 of each species, and we know there hasn't been enough time since Noah's story for all the biological diversity we see today. Would you send your own child to hell for eternity if they didn't love you? Of course not, so why would an all-loving creator do so? I believe God is real but religion is man made. A person must be spiritually blind to believe God cares about our money...
Lol
You either have faith, OR you have evidence. If it makes you feel good to see evidence, then you really DON'T have faith, do you? But that's a GOOD thing. Con men and scammers rely on your faith. If there were any gods, they would be really easy to find, don't you think?
That's ridiculous.
Yea. Every time I visit New York City I am assured that Spider-Man really has magic powers. 😂
Great interview 👍
So interesting!!
Thank you so much. Although I don’t need proof, I am happy God left enough evidence for those who love and fear Him
Its not about fear. Stop with that
@@glockdookie5231 reverence maybe a better word for you
FIRST COMMENT I'M EARLY ASFLIP AGAIN 👊. AMEN brother McDowell and sister Dougherty I really appreciate your Christ centered and Scripturally accurate content for the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
Great talk! Really interesting 👍👏👏
Very good
I studied theology in lutheran university in Denmark, in Copenhagen: They made most of od testament to myth and some of new testament. They claim, that there's almost no archeological evidence for biblical stories. BUT at the entrance of the university, there's a stone (original stone) where kings of Israel were written. It's ironic. They said it's myth, for example because of numbers of people as Kennedy said.
How old is the stone?
We are now talking about the 1st Millennium when the Hebrews were settled in Canaan.
The Kings of Israel starting with David in Judah and Omri in Israel have been verified to have existed.
The stories about them are greatly exaggerated. i.e. David and Goliath, Solomon's temple, etc.
Everything before that is considered mythology.
The oldest bible books are dated to the 8th century with most of the bile dated to the 5th to 7th century.
Incredibly moving actually. If you consider the late Dr Heiser’s teachings, it all makes sense. Thank you.
Awesome stuff!
I'm going to have to revisit this issue.
Also important is how this kind of evidence exposes the intransigent thinking behind a lot of scholars in the Exodus denying camp. Just on the basis of that alone I've always thought it was only a matter of time before the Exodus story would get at least some measure of vindication. Great interview.
Still waiting
There's no "denying" been done in the scholarly world about the exodus.
Scientists will accept whenever the evidence is there ... but it's not there.
Scholars will however "reject" baseless claims and "shady" interpretations of archeology to make a narrative "fit".
If you would take the trouble of reading some earnest and unbiased scholars, historians and archeologists on the matter, you'll soon find out there's no "there there".
For a "professor" at Biola and fellow of the Discovery Institute that simply won't do of course.
They are out to "prove" the bible is accurate to the letter and will perform whatever "sceintific" acrobatics it requires.
looking forward to him picking up his Nobel Prize soon...
The problem with Exodus is not the lack of evidence it is the evidence.
Apologists have moved the biblical date of the Exodus to 1265 BCE. Why?
Hyksos (1550 BCE) Egypt drives Hyksos out of Canaan and vassalized the southern city states.
Battle of Megiddo (1457 BCE) Egypt defeats the Mitanni and vassalized the rest of Canaan
Armana Letters (1360-1330 BCE) Verification showing Egyptian Total Control of Canaan
Battle of Kadesh (1274 BCE) Egypt and the Hittites battle to a draw, Egypt still controls Canaan
These battles and letters show Egypt had total dominance and control over Canaan.
So based on these facts apologists now want to place the Exodus at 1265 BCE. But there are issues with that date also.
While some apologists would like to claim that Egypt abandoned Canaan and withdrew their forces back to Egypt there are two major problems. The Hittites were still on the border and were still skirmishing with the Egyptians.
Now if the apologist's Exodus was happening and the Egyptian army was destroyed at the red/reed sea the Hittites would have surly noticed swept in and conquered Egypt, the bread basket of the middle east. Hatta was in a major drought and suffering from grain shortages. No, they made a peace treaty with Egypt and bought the grain 5 years later.
Also Exodus [14:28] And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. Implies the Pharaoh perished, but we know the Pharaoh at this time Ramesses II lived 90 years from 1279 - 1213 BCE.
The Egyptians maintained a string of fortress cities from Byblos, Megiddo, Beth Shan,Jaffa to Gaza along with many small garrisons and administrative centers throughout Canaan.
Second problem is the Egyptians occupied Gaza (one of the cities Joshua smote [10:41] until they turned it over to the Philistines after 1177BCE. The fortress city of Jaffa did not fall until 1126BCE.(Burke and Peilstöcker have found evidence of two catastrophic blazes, ten years apart, that destroyed Jaffa, the second one occurring in about 1126 B.C. That fire, Burke believes, marked the end of Egypt’s presence not just in Jaffa, but in all of Canaan)
Referring to the hills of Canaan
Dr William Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite" villages".
*This has been verified by archeologists*
i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust and Dever
courtesy of "thetorah"
Dr William Dever, an archaeologist normally associated with the more conservative end of Syro-Palestinian archaeology, has labeled the question of the historicity of Exodus “dead”. Israeli archaeologist Ze’ev Herzog provides his view on the historicity of the Exodus:[7]
The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened.
Verifying Dr Dever is the Merneptah Stele
Merneptah stele 1207BCE
The Egyptian army rolls through Canaan and the only Israelites they encounter are some people in the highlands that they scatter. No Israelite city states or cities. No great Israelite army to stop them. Just a people the Egyptians called Israel.
Shishak (Sheshonq I) 926 BCE
Again the Egyptian army rolls through Canaan spends between 10 & 30 years occupying and leaves. No great armies of the United Kingdom to stop them.
Interesting is the bible mentions Shishak by name but doesn't know who the pharaoh of the Exodus is. The bible mentions other kings/pharaohs by name also, but again can't name the Pharaoh of the Exodus.
*Egypt had total control over Canaan from 1450BCE until 1126BCE*
There is no time frame for the Exodus unless you count the return of the Judahites from Babylon and Egypt after Cyrus the great defeated the Babylonians. Around 519 BCE
Israel/Palestine/Judea is a small place. For billions of religious people, it's the most important place on the planet. However, for 2000 years, no one has found anything that is real evidence for god. Nothing. If there were anything found, the Southern Baptist Convention would be driving it all over the South, charging $49 to look at it.
Thank you Sean and Dr. Kennedy! I am putting together videos like this in a playlist as gathered evidence for God ❤️😊.
Thank you for addressing the "chariot wheels" at the bottom of the red sea.
"Mountain of Fire" is also a good video that the longer Patterns of Evidence series was eventually born from: ua-cam.com/video/nEdpkdkjLf0/v-deo.html
@@donaldcordner1936 thank you! I will check it out
Interesting presentation of a cumulative case for the historical reality of the exodus from Egypt.
Right on Dr Kennedy!
LOVE LISTENING TO YOUR VIDEOS ABOUT BIBLE HISTORY. VERY INTERESTING AND I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, WHETHER THERE IS PROOF OF SOMETHING OR NOT THAT IS IN IT. THE EVEIDENCE IS REALLY GETTING STRONGER ALL THE TIME, THAT THE BIBLE IS REAL HISTORY
What's really interesting is how Christianity shows us how much like monkeys human beings can be. When monkeys choose a leader, they do it on faith. It makes them feel safe inside to be behind a protector who can save them. Humans have more imagination, god drowned the entire Egyptian army. And monkeys believe it!
Thanks for doing this interview! If you haven't seen "Patterns of Evidence: Exodus" it's worth watching for a plausible explanation of the exodus. Titus confirms a lot of the evidence in the film.
"Mountain of Fire" is also a good short version that Patterns of Evidence was eventually born from: ua-cam.com/video/nEdpkdkjLf0/v-deo.html
It's not as good as the Exodus Rediscovered series over on the Inspiring Philiosophy channel/
I used to buy into the Patterns of Evidence film and even bought David Rohl’s book Pharaohs and Kings. Now I know that David Rohl cherry picks data to fit his theory and conveniently leaves out information that makes it very implausible.
What’s sad is that I believe that many Christians lean to the early date because they’ve been told that there is no evidence for a late date. At least, that’s the way Patterns of Evidence presents the situation. However, that is simply not the case. There is actually lots of good evidence to believe in a late date, much more so than an early date. I certainly have no problem changing my mind about that if I see more evidence to the contrary.
@@JabberW00kie thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm happy to hear you're trying to follow the best evidence.
The early date (c.1447 BCE) corresponds to 480 years before Solomon built the temple. It also corresponds with the confirmed date of the destruction of Jericho. I've read Garstang's original report of the excavation as the dig Kenyon did later.
I have read Dr. Beitak's ongoing reports from Avaris and the early date corresponds with Asiatics' presence there.
The best evidence corresponds with the early date of the Exodus. The point about the use of "Rameses" in Exodus 1:11 and Genesis 47:11 is reasonable based on the evidence. I have independently confirmed that the research does not correspond with the later date. That is based purely on when Rameses ruled. All the other evidence corresponds with the early date.
@@JabberW00kie The early date also corresponds with Israel's presence in Canaan. The dating of the Merneptah Stele (c.1206 BCE) as well as the archeological evidence of different food and sacrificial habits in Canaan (c. 1100s BCE) corresponds with the early date of the Exodus.
The 19th Dynasty does not correspond with the dating of Israel's presence in Canaan.
Any comments from Dr. Kennedy concerning the recently discovered Curse Tablet? Would that not help the Exodus case?
It should at least help with researching the Hebrew language "family tree".
Awesome! Excellent!
I'm surprised there was no mention of Hatshepsut. She held the title King's Daughter at the time Moses was born and was most likely the daughter who found Moses in the water. Her husband died young, and the heir was a very young child, so she ruled in his place for years. She had a very close government official called Senenmut, meaning mother's brother. He was not of noble blood. There are statues of him holding her daughter. There's no record of him marrying. He was carved inside the temple portion of her tomb where only royalty is supposed to appear. He disappeared about the same time Moses would have disappeared, which also happened to be around the time Hatshepsut's step son came to power and the time she fell ill and died. Typically the next pharaoh would be the son of the previous pharaoh's highest ranking wife, but Hatshepsut had no known sons, only a daughter. Could her stepson have been looking for a reason to get rid of Moses out of fear or jealously? Years after her death, Hatshepsut's statues were destroyed, and the noses were intentionally broken off, indicating they wanted her to die in the afterlife. Her name was scratched off monuments. Senenmut received similar treatment. Since she wasn't much hated in her lifetime OR in the lifetime of her stepson, it seems plausible that all this hatred was directed at her after the plagues because she had saved Moses and brought into the royal household, and all the calamity has befallen Egypt, seemingly as a result. There's also an inscription somewhere where Senenmut is talking about how he has studied the history of the world and read everything the Egyptian libraries had on the subject of all the way back to the beginning. If Senenmut was Moses, it seems he had a deep interest in the history of the world even before he wrote Genesis.
"They have an anti-supernatural bias" has to be the funniest thing I've heard all damn year. 😂
I wonder what an intellectual amount of pro-supernatural bias is according to these professors…
Having difficulty finding the quote "they have an anti- supernatural bias". Could you help me out with a time code?
Eli.... It's almost as funny as their belief that "nothing exploded" and here we are with all this complexity billions of years later. Let's see this nothing explode in a lab please. Let's see how every atom in the universe fit into a small dot. Because we know that's impossible by science.
Almost as funny as the date of 13.778 billion years for the universe from these atheists. What was their mathematical equation or scientific method for this number? Why not 17.083 billion years as opposed to 23.567 billion years? I'd like to see the evidence for this. Something we can examine, test....
You have an anti-supernatural bias, why would it be funny to say that? If you’re a scientific materialist, then you have that bias. If you’re a religionist, then you have a supernatural bias.
But what is supernatural? Can you explain the interaction of atomic particles at a huge distance? No, you can’t. Quantum physics is supernatural, even Einstein said so. (“Spooky interactions” he called them, and he initially rejected them. You need to expand you understanding of our collective ignorance about the nature of matter and energy).
Good stuff, I really liked the term "Nomads of Yaway", that is very interesting, even in Celtic culture. May your days be driven and guided by the one true God.
Of note- the censuses in numbers only record men of fighting age(20-60). It does not account for women, children nor the elderly. While apologists will say the number was much lower to make it seem plausible. The count should have been much higher.
"propaganda?" how can a bunch of people write about themselves in such an unfavorable light - mainly complaining and disloyalty - and use it as propaganda????
Dr. McDowell, I love that you did this interview and I totally understand and respect an early date for the Exodus, as that's the one I grew up learning at home.
However, I've recently been convinced by Dr. David Falk, a Christian Egyptologist, that there's more compelling evidence for a later date of the Exodus.
Please consider bringing him onto your channel to get an additional perspective on the Exodus, I think it'd be great! His UA-cam channel is Ancient Egypt and the Bible.
Thanks for all you do!
*edited to correct a typo
Thanks for the suggestion!
Yes, please bring Dr. Falk on!
I asked him last week to Bring Dr. David Faik on his channel: so he does know about Ancient Egypt and the Bible but keep suggesting that!
As a Biola Alumni I hope he does !
What happened to the interview with Dr. Falk??
Great post. Thanks. Would like to hear Titus' discussion on the city of Ramses scenario.
Exodus is complete myth. Just ask one simple question: Where are all the bodies from the 10th plague? For context Egypt's population under Ramses II (the traditional Pharaoh) was between 2.9 to 4 million people. Living in a very restricted 16 mile wide habitable zone along the Nile. Low estimating the death toll b restricting an Egyptian family to say only four people ( they were much larger) a father, mother, first and second born, that's 725,000 people, in a very restricted area SIMULTANEOUSLY DROPPING DEAD. And if the father or mother were first borns they'd die too so you're potentially looking at 3 of 4 dying pushing the number MUCH higher. Yet there's no bodies. No mass mummifications, no mass burial pits, no laments, no records Egyptian or from other nations/empires at the time. nothing. There are no bidies becuasue it never happened.
Mass Graves done in a hurry are there. Like contagion or plague.
Have you forgotten the countless invasions of the Roman Empire, Babylon, England, Napoleon, Ottomans in Egypt?
@@mamacojackson9019 Yes, where are all the bodies from any catastrophe or large war? Same place all the bodies are from the plagues in Europe in the 14/15th centuries... really big holes, often unmarked.
David Rohl has shown that the archaeological correlation between the bible & Egypt is wrong due to a mistake by Champollion. Rohl dates the exodus to right before the unopposed Hyksos invasion. This places Juda at Jericho at the correct time. The remains of palace of Joseph is found in Goshen containing the tombs of the patriarchs 2 identical units for his sons & a huge statue of himself. The evidence is extremely compelling. Ramses is not the pharaoh of the exodus but to the pharaoh who destroyed the temple of Solomon. It just so happens that the city or Ramses was built overlapping the ruins of the earlier Judaic settlement in Goshen & scripture amended to uses the current name.
Lol...more time juggling shit from religious idiots
I have really enjoyed the Patterns of Evidence series
I’ll be getting this book for my high school boys 🙌🏻
but if Pharaoh and his army were swallowed up in the Red Sea, then shouldn't there be evidence that something greatly impacted Egypt? I mean, what would that mean for Egypt?
@HT.Also where are the physical evidence that would proof of settlement by tens of thousands of inhabitants as they wandered in the wilderness for 40 years.
@@MustAfaalik - The footprints and the wholes made by their tents?
@HT - The egyptian 'chronology' isn't reliable. Why should they now by any means have proclaimed their defeat by the living God while chastening HIS people?
@@Morewecanthink Evidences that archaeologist look for ie artefacts, garbage, burial sites & more than you can think, fool.🙄🙄🙄😁😁
@@Morewecanthink You have met all the criteria for a faith that does not require commonsense, only to follow blind, deaf & dumb. SAD indeed!!!
If people haven't watched Exodus Decoded, they really should. It is done by James Cameron and the Naked Archeologist (Simcha Jacobovici). It explains that the reason scientists can't find evidence of the Exodus is because they are looking at the wrong time for it. It also explains and gives evidence of the timeline Jacobovici has put forth and how he arrived at his conclusions. Very intriguing and is most likely true.
What is your response to David Rohl Egyptologist, (think I've got this right) when referencing the Egyptian military being wiped out when the chasing the Children of Israel in to the sea, leaving Egypt vulnerable and subsequently they were devastated by another army?? Does this fit into the evidence for an exodus??
Pharoah had to chase in a hurry so only took chariots not infantry, Even Egypt did not have enough cchariots for every soldier!!!
I'm wondering if Dr. Kennedy is familiar with Ron Wyatt and Mary Nell Wyatt's research on this topic. In her book, Battle for the Firstborn, Nell Wyatt proposes dual and overlapping timelines for the rulers of Egypt. For instance, according to her timeline, Thutmose III is the same ruler as Amenhotep II. Amenhotep II ruled when Moses fled, after killing the Egyptian. Her research suggests that Amenhotep III is the Pharoah of the Exodus. I'm interested to know what you think of her research.
The problem is that Egyptians liked to brag a lot about their victories, and nowhere is recorded 4 centuries of enslavement for Hebrews.
Nowhere in 400 years, dozens of pharaohs, thousands of tablets from that time.
Worse still:: it was unearthed an Egyptian stronghold right in the heart of Judah at times of (biblical) judges,, meaning Egypt had a presence where the 40 years stranded slaves, ended the mythological journey.
Worse still, evidence points to a progressive settlement from the north, not the south.
No way the Exodus was something else than propaganda.
They weren’t slaves at first… they were wanderers, keepers of livestock, and would sell their workforce (indenture) to Egypt 8n exchange for food and water for their animals. I don’t th8nk they were enslaved until the last generation.
Any chance you'd be brave enough to interview Israel Finkelstein, who shows quite thoroughly that the Exodus is highly implausible in his book, "The Bible Unearthed"?
The Israeli antiquities authority has already weighed in on this and has determined there’s no evidence for Moses, enslavement of hundreds of thousands of Jews, the exodus, Joshua’s conquest of Canaan….
Are you brave enough to face that Finkelstein's main thesis has been debunked.
Very interesting and informative interview! It would be interesting to know what Titus thinks about the finds in Saudi Arabia that support the idea that Mount Sinai is located there, along with the rocks that have carvings of bulls and cows that were worshipped in Egypt. Plus the fact that the region is very large and could support the vast amount of Israelites that wandered.
The cumulative argument works well for Mt Sinai in Arabia, as Paul said it in Galatians 4:25. Josephus also put the Split Rock in Arabia, saying it was too large to move. It is enormous. Nearby are altars of uncut stones. Then there's the golden calf altar which has a red paint bull, dated in the proper time along with numerous etched Egyptian style bulls. Remarkably, it has a round area at the top where something has been ground down, like the golden calf. Nearby are two long animal shoots and a place at the end where Saudi archeologists found ash and animal parts. Moses Altar it seems. It's near an ancient stream which came from a spring near the top of the mountain. At the top is still the remnant of a beautiful blue sapphire, shiny floor. It's actually a mineral. There's a perfect Elijah's Cave, as well as the twelve springs of Elim from Exodus 15. There's so much more. See the documentaries, Finding the Mountain of Moses, and Patterns of Evidence.
The blue mineral was discovered by Andrew Jones recently.
Fantastic, thank you. Where could I find details and image of Image of tomb of Rekmira (?): slaves making bricks.
I highly recommend the documentary Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus. I also recommend the other documentaries in the Patterns of Evidence series.
"Mountain of Fire" is also a good short version that Patterns of Evidence was eventually born from: ua-cam.com/video/nEdpkdkjLf0/v-deo.html
I'd highly recommend the critiques of Patterns of Evidence found on the Ancient Egypt and the Bible channel - run by Egyptologist Dr David Falk. There are big problems with the case that is presented in the Patterns of Evidence series, and a much more robust case that can be made for the later Exodus date (for a good presentation of that case I recommend the Exodus Rediscovered documentaries over on the Inspiring Philosophy channel).
Dr. Falk really knows his stuff. I second that.
@@stephengray1344 boo hiss. Tim's documentary puts the standard Egyptology theories to shame.
@@sigalsmadar4547 Patterns of Evidence doesn't even acknowledge most of the problems with the theory it presents - most importantly the fact that the way it changes the chronology contradicts dozens of synchronisms (pieces of evidence that two people lived at the same time). Yes, the case looks impressive if it's the only version of events you ever look into, but Proverbs 18:17 specifically warns us against coming to a conclusion having only heard one side of the argument.
It would have had to be a sizeable enough Israelite population, for Pharaoh to be concerned about their growth (in comparison to Egyptians)
I'd like to hear their interpretation of the word being used for thousand in the bible because every time I hear them make thus argument they never explain it... Bible says they took a census of war capable men that was over 600k thus this would mean the exodus would have to been over 1mil ppl... also what would the birth rate be after 400 years from time of Israel?
@@jaybelle1909 - from 'Die biblische Chronologie der Menschheitsgeschichte', Kurt Wolfgang Becker: Für die Dauer von 215 Jahren spricht 3.):
Bei einer Wachstumsrate von 4,91 % (entspricht in etwa der heutigen Wachstumsrate in einzelnen Ländern Afrikas) wären nach 215 Jahren die 70 Menschen zu einem 2 Mio. Volk herangewachsen.
Siehe dazu 2.Mose 12,37 bzw. 2.Mose 38,26.
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2083 Anno Hominem Abraham zieht in Kanaan ein [1Mo 11,32-12,4 und Apg 7,4] 2036 BC
Bestätigung der Aussage in Galater 3,17 (ab dem Einzug Abrahams in Kanaan, bis zum Auszug aus Ägypten, zählen die 430 Jahre unter Fremdherrschaft: 2036 - 1606 v. Chr.)
Abraham ist zu dieser Zeit 75 Jahre alt. Gottes Bund mit Abraham tritt nun in Kraft.
430 Jahre später (1606 v.Chr.) erfolgt die Gesetzgebung am Sinai [Gal 3,17]
2093 Abraham (85 J.) heiratet Hagar [1Mo 16,3] 2026
Zwischen Abrahams 85. Lebensjahr (wo er im Unglauben eine Beziehung mit Hagar einging - siehe 1Mo 16,3), und seinem 99. Lebensjahr (1Mo 17,24) liegen 14 Jahre, in denen Gott nicht zu Abraham sprach.
2094 Ismael geboren [Hagar & Abraham]
2025 Abraham ist zu dieser Zeit 86 Jahre alt [1Mo 16,16]
2096 Arpaksad stirbt [1Mo 11,13] 2023
2107 Bund mit Abraham bestätigt und präzisiert 2012
Namensänderung, Beschneidung, Verheißung Isaaks [1Mo 17] (Abraham ist zu dieser Zeit 99 Jahre alt, Ismael ist 13 Jahre alt [1Mo 17,25] als beide beschnitten werden) 2108 Isaak geboren [1Mo 21,5] 2011
21. Generation
Abraham ist zu dieser Zeit 100 Jahre alt; Sarah 90 Jahre ist alt
2113 Ismael mit Hagar vertrieben [1Mo 21,9-21] 2006
Mit der Vertreibung Ismaels wurde Isaak als "Same" und "Erbe" anerkannt.
Von diesem Augenblick an zählen die 400 Jahre, in dem der "Same" Abrahams als Fremdling gilt.
Das bedeutet, dass Isaak und seine Nachkommen in einem "fremden Land" zubringen und man seinen Samen "knechten und misshandeln wird" [vgl.1Mo 15,13 und Apg 7,6].
Die 400 Jahre zählen von 2006 - 1606 v.Chr., also ab dem Zeitpunkt, als Isaak als alleiniger Erbe ausgewiesen wurde, bis zu dem Jahr, in dem der Auszug aus Ägypten stattfand.
Bestätigung der Aussage in 1Mo 15,13 und in Apg 7,6 (400 Jahre)
So cool
is it spelled CELEB temple??? where the inscriptions of nomads of yahweh are found?
The levant is a small area, None of the advanced civilisations noticed anything, even Jewish archaeologists say its a myth.
“Even Jewish archeologists”-if you know anything about Jewish culture, you know many have such a personal grudge against the Torah and G_d, they’ll jump at any chance to diminish it.
You shoulda brought David Falk on for this one
As a former soldier we had something called litter disapline you pack out what you pack in especially when an enemy was pursuing you also our trash isn't there trash cloth pottery would have been very valuable
Not part of discussion, but I would like to know how creditable among academics and archeologists is the "Patterns of Evidence." I don't like to cite a source that experts would not cite (Is he the Ron Brown of Exodus Christians?)
It isn't considered credible. The whole thing relies on completely rewriting both Egyptian Chronology and the wider chronology of the Ancient Near East - moving events around by centuries, and conflicting with hundreds of established synchronisms (pieces of evidence that two people lived at the same time). There's some good content on the problems with it on the Ancient Egypt and the Bible channel, run by Egyptologist Dr David Falk.
@Stephen Gray not credible by less than honest so called historians???
I’m starting to read the book of exodus so I think this will help understand exodus more for me. So this is gonna help. 😄
Awesome, let us know what you think!
It’s nice to know there was more historical evidence even though I believe by faith.
What book are you reading? I'm looking for recommendations. Thanks!
@@dennischanay7781 I guess she meant the exodus in the bible
@@Alice-lq5nb there is no evidence presented. They even said so. There is only speculation.
AMEN brother McDowell there's much evidence of The Bible's validity in history and archeology.
Yep, I think you will enjoy this one!
Archeology is well instructed to keep up with the biblical chronology, God's revealed story with mankind, not the other way around.
Not man decides truth.
God's word, the Bible, is truth.
ATHEISM AIN'T GOT NOTHING NEW OR BETTER TO OFFER THAN THE VERY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THEY'RE CRITICAL OF SO IT'S HYPOCRISY AT IT'S FINEST 😂. Hello this is for all you Atheists, unbelievers and skeptics. I'm going to address a few misconceptions and lies about God's Character and His Word. The Bible doesn't support chattel slavery or anything else Immoral. Ok so Atheists and unbelievers say God is either Immoral, incompetent or not responsible so let's see what The Scriptures actually say. God revealed himself and created a nation in a real, historical context. It was a world with a slave-based economy, with city states often at war with each other, with polygamous marriages to ensure the continuation of family lines. The laws of the Old Testament regulate this behaviour. Slaves are to be treated humanely (Exodus 21:11). They are given rights and not seen as mere possessions. Hebrew slaves were able to buy their own freedom. Human trafficking is condemned (Exodus 21:16). In contrast to the law code of Babylon, Old Testament Israel was a light to the nations. The Old Testament law and narratives do not stand alone. Jesus is now the best example of what we read. So the moral teaching of the Bible cannot be summarised by a quote taken out of context from the Old Testament to demonize God and His Word. Slavery was permitted in Old Testament law but it was regulated by God giving the Israelites instructions on how to fairly and humanely treat their slaves (it was like indentured servitude where someone could work for you if they owed debts or needed income not cruel like chattel slavery). God allowed the people of Israel to own slaves since they themselves has already experienced over 400 years of generations of Egyptian slavery and knew how inhumane it was to be beaten, overworked and taxed so God set them apart from other nations and cultures around them by giving them a fair way to treat their slaves since slavery had already existed in the world but it doesn't mean God condoned it just used it for His Will to bring Good And in the light of the whole scriptural teaching, we find the reasons for its ultimate abolition (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1-3; Philemon 15-16 and Galatians 3:28). The Word of God provided the moral standard against slavery in the Roman Empire and against the slave trade in the New World.
But what of genocide or holy war in the book of Joshua? Several things could be pointed out. The use of warfare in the ancient world did not always mean literal total destruction, even when events are described in such terms. Furthermore, the book of Joshua does not describe a genocide. It is not a race who are being wiped out, as in genocide, but a religious practice which was often appalling and degrading. Those who repent (like Rahab from Jericho or Ruth) are not destroyed but become part of Israel. It is not the racial group that is in view but their "detestable practices".
However, after all is said, we must still acknowledge that God brought judgment on the nations of Canaan. It is not our place as believers isn't to sugar-coat the Bible. For some skeptics, this is enough to make God a moral monster. But the fact is that Jesus continued to affirm that God is a Judge who will bring a future judgment on all peoples and all nations. God’s judgment will be just. The list of Old Testament stories rejected by critics often leads to a similar dismissal of the New Testament teaching of Jesus on the existence of hell.
After all, what was the Flood of Genesis or the conquest of Joshua if not a glimpse of future judgment? Hell does not demonstrate cruelty on God’s part, but it does demonstrate His Holiness and our moral accountability. Perhaps this is the real reason many people rail against the God of the Bible? It is not that they think He is a moral monster, but that they are afraid He is a moral Judge, and that has implications for our behaviour now. God is an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being and we as His creatures have Eternal souls and spirits so the punishment for our sins against Him must therefore also be Eternal but so must the reward for righteousness that's why He sent His Son Jesus to live a perfectly righteous and sinless Life (which none of us could ever possibly expect to do) suffer the humiliating and torturous death of crucifixion to shed His Own Blood willingly so that all who willingly accept His gift of salvation by grace through faith in Him will be saved and given Eternal life because that's what God wants is for us to willingly accept His gift of salvation and choose life. Exodus 21:20-21 literally speaks about capital punishment befalling anyone who mistreats their slaves so yes people are taking Scripture out of context to demonize God who literally promises that slaves who are mistreated under someone else's authority is to be avenged. When we hear the word “slavery” we think of innocent human beings, kept prisoner for life, having no rights under law and so reduced to animals. This is clearly immoral because it is unjust: the slave has done nothing to deserve the treatment.
The situation described as “slavery” in the Bible was nothing like this. It is more accurately described as one of indentured servitude. Many “slaves” were indentured servants, working for a term of years
Some other “slaves” were prisoners. There were no prisons. Prisoners had to work to live like everyone else. Some had life sentences. Some served a term and were released.
People didn't beat their good slaves but treated them well and protected their assets thus.
But no matter how rebellious a slave was, you couldn't just beat them to death. And if you knocked out their tooth or damaged their eye then you had to set them free. (Exodus 21:26). God wasn't using what other nations did because He wanted to set His Chosen People of Israel apart from the cruel, inhumane and unjust systems other cultures had so He gave them a fair way to treat their slaves and servants.
There is a lot of ignorance on this topic which is understandable given the age we live in but it's not the nefarious set up we think of when we think of modern slavery. The question Atheists must ask themselves is how come the Jews aren't being accused of slavery and human trafficking if they're guilty of it in The Bible and why would white slave owners rip out pages from The Old and New Testament Scriptures to justify their owning blacks as slaves if The Bible already justified slavery?
Blessed are those who believe and have not seen 🙏
I’ve been really fascinated by Akhenaten, the (great?) grandson of Ahmenotep II. It always seemed outlandish that he would make a such a cult of personality that he was actually a god of gods. It makes sense that his self aggrandizement is so similar to Ahmenotep II. But is it possible that he observed the Israelite victories in Canaan and attempted to rebrand himself to be like Yahweh as a way to shore up his authority against the Hebrew victories so near Egyptian territory?
Yes!! I happened to study the 10 Plagues account this morning!!! God is good! Early date for Exodus all the way. Let's give God the glory He so richly deserves. The Bible CAN be trusted.
Edit: I thought the Sphinx story and Amenhotep II sounded familiar: I was reading about it in the SDA Bible commentary (vol 1) and it's exhilarating to hear more information about this time in history.
Can we just stop and appreciate that God cared for the animals as well? When He gave the warning that hail was going to fall (to show that He had power over storms and weather vs the Egyptian gods), He urged people to shelter their animals and servants. God is amazing and considerate & worthy of all praise.
How come he didn't care about all the animals that were drowned in the flood?
@@cindychristman8708 I guess you didint read what animals God had Noah put on the ark .🤔
@@berenlevia8486 Huh??
Are you insinuating that all the animals that were on the ark were all the animals on earth?
@@cindychristman8708 i never said that . and its apparent you havent read the Noah account .
@@berenlevia8486 Just what are you saying?
Genesis 7:21 says "Every living thing that moved on land perished, birds, live stock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind." NIV
Your god drowned all the humans and animals that weren't on the ark. Why did God punish animals when it was was humankind he repented making? What did the animals do? And why didn't he care about them like he did in the Exodus story?
I have always believed that the Biblical record of events is literal. It is a historical document. Archeology will always provide more proof.
The archaeological evidence lines up with 1446BC which is also what 1 Kings 6:1 declares. I have been able to locate most of the locations on Google Earth. In Tell El-Borg I and II is about the work that James Hoffmeier did. The excavation that Manfred Bietak reveals a time when people quickly died. Rosalie David showed the same thing. David Rohl has written some books and has written about the exodus. He uses the text to show what happened and where the locations are. He also worked with the movie maker who did the "Patterns of Evidence".
Sean should interview Egyptologist Dr David Falk of Ancient Egypt and The Bible
Dr. Titus Kennedy looks like a TV actor who has been cast as a professor. Entirely too good looking to be a real professor, lol.
Bummer for you. Bart Ehrman and Paulogia pretty much blow the wind right out of your sails. You don't get to make up history that supports your extraordinary claims. Follow the evidence, not the religion.
I really enjoyed their response to this video!
Titus seems to be saying that Josephus' numbers, in regards to how many people left Egypt in the Exodus, are the accurate ones. Will you, please, send me the Josephus citation(s)? Thanks! 🙂
Good job ese