Apple_AP3X it is not a joke, PCs have to be assembled very specifically! Also, WHATEVER YOU DO, make sure the drive is installed right-side up or the data will come out upside-down
Adam Not at all, friend. I omitted that fact because Jon lives in the Northern Hemisphere and I didn't consider all the viewers that live in the Southern Hemisphere. Good catch. Another tip; make sure your hard drive is formatted correctly. We've all heard how data is ones and zeros, right? Well, sometimes the data is put in a font that makes them look like upper-case "i"s and upper-case "o"s, which confuses the CPU. Always make sure your data is in an easy to read font, like Times New Roman or Arial.
Jon; who pays people to assemble his PC's. Being told by multiple friends that it's a "Rip Off" and disagreeing. Plays a game where you charge people to assemble their PC's, and only then does he realise it is a "Rip Off". Matt will love this.
Forget building a PC, I was watching another youtuber playing this game who used to have a business just like this, and he said he charged 120 bucks for a full virus scan. THAT is a rip-off.
+legion999 I find it hard to call it a rip-off. Personally I'd never pay for a service like that, but there's plenty of people who do, and for various reasons.
legion999 I did work experience at a computer repair shop. They charged $120 for a scan but it would include 6 separate scanners and the entire process would take hours depending on the computer.
if you remove all profits. 120 bucks might give you 3 hours of work. That does not include licenses for software. If it for some reason takes longer, they are operating at a loss.
i think those "screws" you were complaining about at the 33 minute mark were actually standoffs. Those are kind of important, because they stop the motherboard from touching the metal case and discharging randomly.
I swear this just gave me real life flashbacks. Edit: Without the mother board you've literally just got a pile of parts and cables. Infrastructure is important.
I'm really disappointed... this game was relatively realistic, and then they straight out ignored dual channel. I was so prepared for Jon to freak out...
Indeed, dual channel wont be utilized, simply the pc will be running on the lowest compatible memory speed thus wasting the extra speed the highest ranking memory is offering. However.... Many graphics cards not having a power cable connector is more of an oversight on this game... given not for all graphics cards but some of them should actually have.
whats the motherboard for? it is the mother of all the parts that plug into it. it distributes power efficiently and channels signals from parts inside its brain and outputs shiny eye candy we call graphix, onto a monitor. the MB is basically GlAdOs without the cranky AI. it collects all the data and makes a nice tidy image for the suits to see where all that money went.
the back of the mother board needs a bit of space between it and the case side for cooling. thus there are whats called "stand offs" that the mother board will screw onto.
The motherboard is offset from the case because the case is generally made of conductive metal, and you don't want to short the pins on the underside. Nothing needs to be cooled at the bottom, and if anything were connecting to the case would be _better_.
Aaaaand he didn't use a mat to deal with electricity and questions how motherboards do literally all of the BIOS and whatnot operations. This is just My Summer Computer now isn't it
You do need "ESD stuff". ESD damage is typically not visible until later. Most people will never connect the issues they face later to their lack of ESD protection earlier, or simply live with reduced performance without ever realizing it. ESD is a real thing, even if you usually don't notice the effects right away.
Mr. Scram right, so the computers that have been working for 3 years at the slight performance definite that comes with the constant heating and cooling we're also damaged by ESD and are going to die tomorrow?
I'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to heating and cooling. The problem is that ESD damage is always intermittent and people therefore don't feel it's a real issue. You don't see any effects, so they must not exist. There's a reason the electronics industry spends literally billions to mitigate ESD. They don't spend money for fun and they don't spend money unless they have to, which means that spending it is ultimately cheaper than not spending it. ESD is a real issue, whether people believe in it or not. Unsurprisingly, it's always the amateurs who underestimate ESD.
Jon, motherboards need risers to protect them from static electricity from the case. Watching this is highly entertaining, as this is what I love doing in my spare time. Getting a A+ computer repair/learning book is quite valuable as it'll help diagnose issues if you come across any.
Let this be a lesson to everyone. A lot of the maintenence work you pay other people to do, is actually really easy if you have the instructions. Unless you're fairly wealthy, always look online to see how difficult it would be to do yourself before you hire someone else to do it.
Jon finds playing this very relaxing... I find watching this extremely stressful and frustrating!! Noticing things 5 minutes before Jon does and then shouting at him (though I realise it's useless) can take a toll!! =) Someone has Perception pills Jon can have? p.s. Jon I love you, please never change!!
Jon the MB holds bios, the internal clock to keep everything in time, the North/south bridge which sort info from memory, bios, cpu etc. YOU NEED THE MOTHERBOARD AND NOT WIRES ITS IMPORTANT!!!!!
From a software engineer: RAM comes in the sizes of 2,4,8,16,etc because binary. Also, when you started talking about the motherboard, I got incredibly triggered, and can't formulate a response. You need to 'connect the case to the motherboard', because you have the power button there. Also, unlike in this game, the power button is the hardest, and least convenient of things to plug in, if you forget to do it before shoving the motherboard in to the case.
Jon, next day delivery can very well get that expensive. You mention Amazon as an alternative, but to buy essentially the same HD in the game would still be $20. And obviously exactly how expensive next day delivery can get varies by shipping service, particular item, website you're shopping at, etc. I've certainly come across some pretty hefty $30, $40, $50+ next day delivery S&H over the years. I imagine as a UK resident the prices do seem crazy, but remember those packages have a *lot* further to travel in the US. Sending stuff that quickly over a large distance is gonna be pricy.
When working inside a CPU, make sure the computer is plugged in and keep a hand on the metal of the case so you keep yourself properly grounded. Otherwise, you will turn the computer you are working on into an electric paperweight.
Jon, the case sometimes needs to be connected because some cases have front panel usb or headset/mic slots for convenience and those need to be connected to the motherboard.
lol, it's a magic box: electricity goes in, youtube comes out. Jon you're amazing! Also if you saw my frost comment about hazmat suits, I hope you saw the edit. A hazmat in frost make you immune to glowing sea rads but NOT swimming rads. Because logic. So that damaged one should be fine for swimming.
It's called a mother-board because everything plugs into it. Just like the mother-ship is the ship that carries all the other ships. In a normal PC it's got a lot of other stuff on it too though. Things like the "chipset" that interfaces the CPU to all the other stuff, almost always the audio interface and often (for business computers for example) the video interface. It also has a load of USB hubs, SATA (hard disk) interfaces, the clock (so the computer knows what the time and date are when you switch it on), the BIOS and many, many more esoteric things.
Very glad you're playing this game. I heard about it a while ago, but didn't look into it any further. I think you'll do great, you know your things, and computery stuff isn't actually all that complicated. Also, as a person who works in IT, I know a bunch of nifty things about how the wee shops operate. They often add on "stupid people" charges for various things like cleaning out the computer, replacing fans, or removing viruses. They can increase the cost for it because the people who would ask someone else to do it is the type of person who thinks it's really difficult. They charge for other things, too. I remember a story about an IT firm that supported a legal company. That legal company were doing a huge install of a whole new workflow from a vendor that had been in the works for over half a year. They only informed the IT people three days before everything had to be up and running so the IT company decided to charge through the nose because they had to get some poor soul to work night and day through the entire weekend to get the place working. The motherboard is the thing that everything plugs into. Think of a car. The graphics card is like the engine, and the driver is like the processor. You don't have a car with just an engine and a driver. There are other bits, too. Motherboards have a bunch of cool stuff in it. It's got a chip set, which controls the hard drives, and other stuff. It's also got a load of other microchips on it. They're cool, too. Also, also, mixing RAM isn't a very great idea unless you get sticks that match specs. Things like CAS latency, and frequency are important to match. It's also a good idea to make sure you're putting the RAM into the good slots, because motherboards like some slots over others. It's weird, and I'm not too sure why it's like that. You need to plug the case into the motherboard, because how else would the power button work?
A motherboard is just a bunch of connectors for the other components, it's not complicated, it is a very simple printed circuit. If you were to try to replace it with a bunch of wires the whole casing would be full up with that mess. It is the simple way of doing things.
The more expensive ones tend to have more slots. The mother board also controls the stuff plugged in, so a board that can have more stuff plugged in has to be more complex to manage the pieces. It's a bit more complicated than what I initially said.
You're understating it quite a bit. Motherboards are very complicated as printed circuits go - they have several layers of stacked printed circuit and some regions of it are particularly cramped. Motherboards also are responsible for power distribution, which is not "simple wiring" - electronics are sensible to power fluctuations, so all the little capacitors and resistors all over the mb smooth the current from the power supply out and some of the fancier ones even have spike and ESD protection. Motherboards are also little computers on their own - they hold the computer's BIOS (and all the configuration you do in it), instructions on how a specific processor should communicate with specific memory modules, controllers for high speed buses, basic network and sound cards and they control the computer self-testing when it is turned on (POST)... and that's not even getting to the premium ones, which can have stuff like integrated video, redundant BIOS systems and USB automatic BIOS flashing. You definitely could not just have a mess instead of the PCB either. Some of the earlier computers (much simpler than our current ones) did that, and it would already not fit inside our biggest cases today. Motherboards are pretty impressive bits of technology.
Jon, I assume you've seen all the golden pins on a CPU, GPU, RAM etc. You go and solder wires to each an every pin, the rest of us will stick to paying 50-200$ for the convenience of popping stuff in instead of taking hours to solder each and every component separately. And that's ignoring all the other stuff a motherboard does.
I went through the game already, PC building and overall tech is my life, still great content to watch Jon. You probably know more than 60% of people who use computers.
At first I though Jon was joking when he mentioned he knew almost nothing about how the PC parts go together. But when he couldn’t figure out how to install the (easy to install) new hard drive my suspicions seemed to have been completely wrong.
I like how Jon was more or less correct in summarizing motherboards as just connecting everything else, but assumed he was wrong. Like all circuitboards, they're basically just miniaturized and factory-produced wire guides with a few very tiny components soldered directly on as well. The main reason the rest of the components are so large and spaced out is to allow humans to manipulate them without a magnifying glass. That’s how many Apple products (iPhone, iMac Pro, MacBook Pro) are so ridiculously compact and space-efficient: they sacrifice the ability to easily customize the hardware.
to explain it to you simply john the CPU is the 'thinky' bit the HDD/SSD (hard drive, or solid state drive) is where it remembers things the RAM is where it puts the things where it puts the things it remembers when it needs to do thinky thing. the reason we dont put all of the memories in ram is because its more expensive, and when we turn off the computer it forgets everything that was in RAM the Motherbord is the thing that lets all of the different bits talk to eachother
I've got the opposite problem you do Jon. Putting the parts together for a computer is pretty easy, I have a lot of trouble trying to figure out which parts are good and will work together.
The sound of fans in the background of a recording ruins it? Please, that was old Nerdcubed's signature sound with his old jet engines ramping up in every video.
Jon, The motherboard does more than just connect the components together. A simplification would be that regular wires aren't capable of connecting the ram and graphics card properly. A RAM has something like 200+ pins. It also provides some extra like USB controllers, power distribution, and most importantly power regulation. Also thermal paste is necessary because when you fit a cooler, it doesn't 'touch' the CPU thermally. Thermal paste helps in this and also evenly spreads the heat.
Merlyn Cooper It needs power, that's why it connects to the mobo. Most fans are controlled simply by increasing or reducing the power they get sent, rather than with anything as advanced as being told to achieve a specific RPM.
The motherboard is like the nervous system. It connects everything to eachother. Using wires instead of a motherboard would be a lot more bulky because there are a few hundreds of connections on a motherboard. Motherboard handles: voltage regulation for CPU, data transfer for GPU, CPU, HDD and SSD, USB ports, audio. It does a lot more than I can remember, but this is off the top of my head.
The case needs to be connected to the motherboard so the power button and other buttons can actually do anything, also if there are any lights on the case those need power as well
I was waiting with bated breath for the error message that never came. I could imagine Jon's total confusion and then incredulity that you couldn't mix and match RAM sizes.
IIRC you can mix and match RAM sizes, you just won't get the same level of performance out of it. Basically, two RAM sticks of the same size can work together as teammates, while two unmatched RAM sticks have to work seperately. It'll still get the job done, and better than if you only had one of the sticks, but not as good as paired sticks of the same size.
To give a brief overview of parts in a computer CPU- Processes raw information in the form of binary GPU- Turns some processed information into graphics RAM- Stores various information for a various amount of time Drives- Long-term memory storage Motherboard- A fairly complex management system, allowing for information to get to the correct place(s) (ie information to GPU) PSU- Supplies power A Motherboard also has a certain type of socket which a CPU fills. The CPU must be made to fill this socket, and can't fill any socket other than the one it was made for (to my knowledge, at least).
"A hundred dollars! But that took me like 30 seconds." Welcome to the world of computer repairs. When I used to work in a computer shop, it was back in the day when Limewire was still popular. Pretty much, we would just scan for and remove viruses for $90. If the HDD had to be wiped/formatted and clean-installed, we'd charge $150. Physical repairs mainly just involved cleaning out dust buildup inside the cases.
Best motherboard analogy I can think of; It's your nervous system. Among other things, it connects your fleshy bits to your thinky bits. Also connects your mobility bits (ea; every muscle in your body), your eaty bits (gastric system), your detox bits (liver, kidneys, etc), your beaty bits (you like having a pulse, right?), all your feely bits (skin's sense of touch, smell, taste, balance, pressure, heat/cold, etcetc). Lots of bits.
Or how about a highway system? You could have a neat collection of roads that each service many different routes you could take, or you could have an individual road from every residence to every business you could care to go to. Or maybe the circulatory system? Why bother with all those capilaries! Just plug the heart into the lungs and brain and call it good! It's easy to forget what the mother board does because it does all the boring and uninteresting work of running the computer.
I remember when I went for a job interview at a PC repair shop. That surprised me. The only thing that made it sound not criminal was that the $100 cost covered the virus removal period, which means that a 5 minute virus scan cost as much as a really stubborn virus that required registry edit to remove.
I just hit 26 minutes. I think I may cry... Also, John, if you ever read this I want you to know YOU CAN'T REPLACE A MOTHERBOARD WITH SOME WIRES!!! That is like replacing the chassis of a car with a plank of wood because it is cheaper and all a car really needs is wheels, an engine, and controls!!!
So as someone who repairs things for a living (not computers) I couldn’t believe it when he sold the used motherboard before checking to make sure that it was actually broken. The number of times someone has actually guessed what was wrong with the machine when they give it to me, is astoundingly small. I was waiting for him to put in the mother board and have it not work
What annoyed me was not that the RAM would never work due to the pairings, it was the fact he spent $185 on 14Gb when he could have bought 16Gb for $160 if he'd bought 4 sticks of 4Gb...
Decent analogies for the various parts, Jon. A good analog for the Mother Board would be the nervous system. So your two brains communicate with the other parts of the system through the mother board.
Jon! Thermal Paste exists because air is a terrible conductor of heat. The CPU generates heat, which you want to transfer through metal, which is a great conductor, to the cooler fan where it can be dissipated. The problem is that there's a small pocket of air between the CPU and fan. Thermal Paste removes this pocket of air; you want enough to get all the air out, but have it be as thin as possible, because Thermal Paste is still way worse at conducting heat than metal is. This is one of the common failure points in building a PC, but most modern computers have fail safes to shut down when they start running hot to prevent long term damage.
It's funny, two of my favourite UA-camrs, Jon and Robbaz. Both are entertaining when putting together Computers. Although ROBBAZ can make a functional computer and turn it into a Fallout style monitor Correction rewatched the video and he built it out of a GE 1930 radio
Hey Jon. If you liked that pc builder, maybe I would have another game you would like it's called world of gun:disassembly and it is a gun sim where you can disassemble and mount guns and it's free. With what has been happenning since the last year I can understand you don't want to make controversy but this game has challenges and can be quite addicting.
If you want to stick with anatomy metaphors. The motherboard would be your spinal cord, making sure all the data and power gets to where it need to be. (very roughly speaking of course, it's a metaphor)
Jon: What do motherboards and thermal paste *do* anyway? Game: (provides a simple explanation of what motherboards and thermal paste do whenever he hovers over said things)
the motherboard has everything on it, it is rarely expensive, the CPU is the brain, the GPU is kinda like the eyes but more like shows you what you are seeing on the screen so visual part of the brain, Ram is short term memory, hard disk or SSD are long term memory and degrade after a while
I do wish it didn't prompt you to apply thermal paste and instead you get a angry customer with an overheating PC. I mean for the sake of the back story.
Jon you can't get 6GB ram sticks because the memory works in base 2 in terms of GB so it goes 2,4,8,16,32 ect. Because the ram stores data that needs to be procressed by the CPU and it can only except 1s and 0s which is the reason for the base 2 counting system
Harry Forsyth actually it's just because it's more efficient to produce standardized RAM cards at 2, 4, 8, and 16GB layouts. I regularly run machines with 1, 6, and 12 GB of RAM. My current main PC is a stock Samsung model with 12 GBs of integrated RAM while my first computer had 1GB of total ram across two 512MB ram modules. Having "unusual" RAM arrangements is very common prebuilt devices and most visible in smartphones. For example, the iPhone X uses 3 GBs of RAM and the Galaxy Note 8 uses 6GB. The amount of RAM a device has is essentially trivial as far as processing binary is concerned. The amount of RAM is not important as long as the base unit is preserved. In this case bits where one byte is equal to 8 bits
Motherboard is expensive to produce because it contains high quality wiring for the rest of the computer. You could replace it with some wires, but you would end up with a computer of the size of your house, because you would need much more components to do the same amount of work as this wiring would not survive very long high frekvences (speed per action would be much lower and computer does millions of them per second). MB is needed for the components to connect without it melting down.
"Why does the case need to be connected to the motherboard?"
Yeah who needs their power button to work anyway?
Remember, Jon; hard drives spin clockwise, so you have to plug them in accordingly, otherwise they won't pump the data to the CPU.
... I don't know if this is a joke or not :(
and i dont know if THIS is a joke ;-)
It is a joke please dont be fooled
Apple_AP3X it is not a joke, PCs have to be assembled very specifically!
Also, WHATEVER YOU DO, make sure the drive is installed right-side up or the data will come out upside-down
Adam Not at all, friend. I omitted that fact because Jon lives in the Northern Hemisphere and I didn't consider all the viewers that live in the Southern Hemisphere. Good catch.
Another tip; make sure your hard drive is formatted correctly. We've all heard how data is ones and zeros, right? Well, sometimes the data is put in a font that makes them look like upper-case "i"s and upper-case "o"s, which confuses the CPU. Always make sure your data is in an easy to read font, like Times New Roman or Arial.
Jon; who pays people to assemble his PC's. Being told by multiple friends that it's a "Rip Off" and disagreeing. Plays a game where you charge people to assemble their PC's, and only then does he realise it is a "Rip Off".
Matt will love this.
Forget building a PC, I was watching another youtuber playing this game who used to have a business just like this, and he said he charged 120 bucks for a full virus scan. THAT is a rip-off.
+legion999 I find it hard to call it a rip-off. Personally I'd never pay for a service like that, but there's plenty of people who do, and for various reasons.
NaHCO3 The service is fine, I'm just questioning the price.
legion999 I did work experience at a computer repair shop. They charged $120 for a scan but it would include 6 separate scanners and the entire process would take hours depending on the computer.
if you remove all profits. 120 bucks might give you 3 hours of work. That does not include licenses for software. If it for some reason takes longer, they are operating at a loss.
“Apparently cpu stands for computer power user” god this is going to be good
Julianus Vatinius gos on rant about how motherboard is useless
IMPOSTOR!!!!!
Owen McCulloch and confuses a gpu and a harddrive
Julianus Victor no your the IMPOSTER
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i think those "screws" you were complaining about at the 33 minute mark were actually standoffs. Those are kind of important, because they stop the motherboard from touching the metal case and discharging randomly.
so my pc cant run pc building simulator
We had a school laptop at highschool that couldn't run a gameboy advanced emulator... Moral is, it could be worse. :3
Bring it to Jon!! He can upgrade it for you =) For a "honest" fee at least
Error 418: Emulators are fairly CPU intensive though 😂
the game that teaches you how to make a gaming PC *requires a gaming PC*
$30 delivery
This can only go well. I mean, what could phase the vehicle and bridge building master?
Sticks of RAM make excellent Pyramids of Strength
Who is also a genius at roads
So you're saying we need PC ballast?
I think the PC should have more triangles of strength
I swear this just gave me real life flashbacks.
Edit: Without the mother board you've literally just got a pile of parts and cables. Infrastructure is important.
Jon the Motherboard is basically the spinal cord
Huh never thought of a computer as a human, but it's actually a pretty good metaphor.
PSU's the digestive system, fans are the pores, CPU's the brain, GPU's the visual cortex. Etc
Just imagine one of those skeletons they have in science class with computer parts duck taped to it.
How the flip did that RAM install work?? There was no pairing! That shouldn't have worked!
Shhhhh....
I'm really disappointed... this game was relatively realistic, and then they straight out ignored dual channel. I was so prepared for Jon to freak out...
You are aware that Dual Channel isn't a required thing, it just doubles memory bandwidth, the computer still works.
Indeed, dual channel wont be utilized, simply the pc will be running on the lowest compatible memory speed thus wasting the extra speed the highest ranking memory is offering. However.... Many graphics cards not having a power cable connector is more of an oversight on this game... given not for all graphics cards but some of them should actually have.
Pretty sure most modern boards don't care about pairing anyway.
I've worked in a shop. You have absolutely no clue how much of a bad idea is to "blow the dust" .
whats the motherboard for? it is the mother of all the parts that plug into it. it distributes power efficiently and channels signals from parts inside its brain and outputs shiny eye candy we call graphix, onto a monitor. the MB is basically GlAdOs without the cranky AI. it collects all the data and makes a nice tidy image for the suits to see where all that money went.
the back of the mother board needs a bit of space between it and the case side for cooling. thus there are whats called "stand offs" that the mother board will screw onto.
The case needs to be plugged in for the led's and start button etc.
The motherboard is offset from the case because the case is generally made of conductive metal, and you don't want to short the pins on the underside. Nothing needs to be cooled at the bottom, and if anything were connecting to the case would be _better_.
Aaaaand he didn't use a mat to deal with electricity and questions how motherboards do literally all of the BIOS and whatnot operations. This is just My Summer Computer now isn't it
Goat Bot to be fair, a lot of people don't use esd mats. I just obsessively grounded myself on the psu and didn't rub my socks on carpet.
Goat Bot I built all 5 of my houses computers on carpet. You don't need ESD stuff.
You do need "ESD stuff". ESD damage is typically not visible until later. Most people will never connect the issues they face later to their lack of ESD protection earlier, or simply live with reduced performance without ever realizing it. ESD is a real thing, even if you usually don't notice the effects right away.
Mr. Scram right, so the computers that have been working for 3 years at the slight performance definite that comes with the constant heating and cooling we're also damaged by ESD and are going to die tomorrow?
I'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to heating and cooling. The problem is that ESD damage is always intermittent and people therefore don't feel it's a real issue. You don't see any effects, so they must not exist.
There's a reason the electronics industry spends literally billions to mitigate ESD. They don't spend money for fun and they don't spend money unless they have to, which means that spending it is ultimately cheaper than not spending it. ESD is a real issue, whether people believe in it or not. Unsurprisingly, it's always the amateurs who underestimate ESD.
Jon, motherboards need risers to protect them from static electricity from the case. Watching this is highly entertaining, as this is what I love doing in my spare time. Getting a A+ computer repair/learning book is quite valuable as it'll help diagnose issues if you come across any.
'100$ but that took me 30 seconds'
Welcome to the world of computer repair lol.
Let this be a lesson to everyone. A lot of the maintenence work you pay other people to do, is actually really easy if you have the instructions. Unless you're fairly wealthy, always look online to see how difficult it would be to do yourself before you hire someone else to do it.
Complains about load times. Proceeds to immediately question everything that finishes quickly
Remember, Ram must be rammed with a battering ram before use.
You’ve seen Jon disassemble a PC (poorly), now watch as he (poorly) builds one from scratch
Jon finds playing this very relaxing... I find watching this extremely stressful and frustrating!! Noticing things 5 minutes before Jon does and then shouting at him (though I realise it's useless) can take a toll!! =) Someone has Perception pills Jon can have? p.s. Jon I love you, please never change!!
Jon the MB holds bios, the internal clock to keep everything in time, the North/south bridge which sort info from memory, bios, cpu etc. YOU NEED THE MOTHERBOARD AND NOT WIRES ITS IMPORTANT!!!!!
From a software engineer: RAM comes in the sizes of 2,4,8,16,etc because binary.
Also, when you started talking about the motherboard, I got incredibly triggered, and can't formulate a response.
You need to 'connect the case to the motherboard', because you have the power button there. Also, unlike in this game, the power button is the hardest, and least convenient of things to plug in, if you forget to do it before shoving the motherboard in to the case.
Jon, next day delivery can very well get that expensive. You mention Amazon as an alternative, but to buy essentially the same HD in the game would still be $20. And obviously exactly how expensive next day delivery can get varies by shipping service, particular item, website you're shopping at, etc. I've certainly come across some pretty hefty $30, $40, $50+ next day delivery S&H over the years.
I imagine as a UK resident the prices do seem crazy, but remember those packages have a *lot* further to travel in the US. Sending stuff that quickly over a large distance is gonna be pricy.
When working inside a CPU, make sure the computer is plugged in and keep a hand on the metal of the case so you keep yourself properly grounded. Otherwise, you will turn the computer you are working on into an electric paperweight.
Oh GOD the gpu is the creative bit of the thinky.... God jon the pain. I love you
Jon, the case sometimes needs to be connected because some cases have front panel usb or headset/mic slots for convenience and those need to be connected to the motherboard.
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Most obviously the power button, can't turn the PC on if you don't have a connection from the power button on the case to the mobo.
Jon The Motherboard is like the nervous system of the computer, it connects all its parts with each other
lol, it's a magic box: electricity goes in, youtube comes out. Jon you're amazing!
Also if you saw my frost comment about hazmat suits, I hope you saw the edit. A hazmat in frost make you immune to glowing sea rads but NOT swimming rads. Because logic. So that damaged one should be fine for swimming.
It's called a mother-board because everything plugs into it. Just like the mother-ship is the ship that carries all the other ships.
In a normal PC it's got a lot of other stuff on it too though. Things like the "chipset" that interfaces the CPU to all the other stuff, almost always the audio interface and often (for business computers for example) the video interface. It also has a load of USB hubs, SATA (hard disk) interfaces, the clock (so the computer knows what the time and date are when you switch it on), the BIOS and many, many more esoteric things.
Very glad you're playing this game. I heard about it a while ago, but didn't look into it any further. I think you'll do great, you know your things, and computery stuff isn't actually all that complicated.
Also, as a person who works in IT, I know a bunch of nifty things about how the wee shops operate. They often add on "stupid people" charges for various things like cleaning out the computer, replacing fans, or removing viruses. They can increase the cost for it because the people who would ask someone else to do it is the type of person who thinks it's really difficult.
They charge for other things, too. I remember a story about an IT firm that supported a legal company. That legal company were doing a huge install of a whole new workflow from a vendor that had been in the works for over half a year. They only informed the IT people three days before everything had to be up and running so the IT company decided to charge through the nose because they had to get some poor soul to work night and day through the entire weekend to get the place working.
The motherboard is the thing that everything plugs into. Think of a car. The graphics card is like the engine, and the driver is like the processor. You don't have a car with just an engine and a driver. There are other bits, too. Motherboards have a bunch of cool stuff in it. It's got a chip set, which controls the hard drives, and other stuff. It's also got a load of other microchips on it. They're cool, too.
Also, also, mixing RAM isn't a very great idea unless you get sticks that match specs. Things like CAS latency, and frequency are important to match. It's also a good idea to make sure you're putting the RAM into the good slots, because motherboards like some slots over others. It's weird, and I'm not too sure why it's like that.
You need to plug the case into the motherboard, because how else would the power button work?
Oh God, no, please.
Mat: I cant have my computer overheating and having the fans on full blast all the time
Also Mat: Why cant I just plug the fans into the powersupply?
A motherboard is just a bunch of connectors for the other components, it's not complicated, it is a very simple printed circuit. If you were to try to replace it with a bunch of wires the whole casing would be full up with that mess. It is the simple way of doing things.
... Then why do some motherboards cost a lot of money...?
The more expensive ones tend to have more slots. The mother board also controls the stuff plugged in, so a board that can have more stuff plugged in has to be more complex to manage the pieces. It's a bit more complicated than what I initially said.
Quality of material for starters...
You're understating it quite a bit. Motherboards are very complicated as printed circuits go - they have several layers of stacked printed circuit and some regions of it are particularly cramped. Motherboards also are responsible for power distribution, which is not "simple wiring" - electronics are sensible to power fluctuations, so all the little capacitors and resistors all over the mb smooth the current from the power supply out and some of the fancier ones even have spike and ESD protection.
Motherboards are also little computers on their own - they hold the computer's BIOS (and all the configuration you do in it), instructions on how a specific processor should communicate with specific memory modules, controllers for high speed buses, basic network and sound cards and they control the computer self-testing when it is turned on (POST)... and that's not even getting to the premium ones, which can have stuff like integrated video, redundant BIOS systems and USB automatic BIOS flashing.
You definitely could not just have a mess instead of the PCB either. Some of the earlier computers (much simpler than our current ones) did that, and it would already not fit inside our biggest cases today. Motherboards are pretty impressive bits of technology.
Mandos Aldmer I believe he was speaking about their complexity when compared to control boards for HDDs and GPUs, chips like the CPU, and RAM modules
Listening to some of this is more frustrating than listening to Jon explain how the internal combustion engine works on the podcats
I'd love to see an IRL video like the cooking ones where you buy some cheap PC parts and try to assemble a computer!
Jon, I assume you've seen all the golden pins on a CPU, GPU, RAM etc. You go and solder wires to each an every pin, the rest of us will stick to paying 50-200$ for the convenience of popping stuff in instead of taking hours to solder each and every component separately. And that's ignoring all the other stuff a motherboard does.
Don't even need to watch the video to tell he's going to balls the PC building up. brb getting popcorn
I went through the game already, PC building and overall tech is my life, still great content to watch Jon. You probably know more than 60% of people who use computers.
Jon if you are just checking a PC if it can boot to os. U only need to plug in monitor. Because you don't need to click or type anything
after doing this as a job I have no idea why I find it so fun to watch others do my job.
been having a truly horrible day dealing with depression, but watching your videos always helps. Thank you(:
At first I though Jon was joking when he mentioned he knew almost nothing about how the PC parts go together. But when he couldn’t figure out how to install the (easy to install) new hard drive my suspicions seemed to have been completely wrong.
I feel like jon all ways does things that he doesn't understand just so he can piss off some people.
Jon understands Fallout. Everything else is unimportant. Ignorance is Strength. Mostly because it's funny.
"Why do I have to plug in the case?!?" How do you thinkthe buttons on the case work?
Everything's wireless nowadays
and the power to your "magical wireless" case buttons?
did you not hear him?
its wireless
Please Jon, for the love of all that is good, make more videos of this.
Also never ever touch your own PC.
And watch some Linus Tech Tips.
So he can learn how to drop stuff and use graphic cards as paper weights? /s
Wait, you can use graphics cards for something else?
i usually use paperweights as my graphics card and my graphic's card as my paperweight.
Greyevel or oven bake graphics cards to fix them
or counter-balance an ATX MB with 4 Titans to screw in a back plate.
I like how Jon was more or less correct in summarizing motherboards as just connecting everything else, but assumed he was wrong. Like all circuitboards, they're basically just miniaturized and factory-produced wire guides with a few very tiny components soldered directly on as well. The main reason the rest of the components are so large and spaced out is to allow humans to manipulate them without a magnifying glass.
That’s how many Apple products (iPhone, iMac Pro, MacBook Pro) are so ridiculously compact and space-efficient: they sacrifice the ability to easily customize the hardware.
You should definitely continue this awesome series!!!!! Thanks for being awesome!
to explain it to you simply john
the CPU is the 'thinky' bit
the HDD/SSD (hard drive, or solid state drive) is where it remembers things
the RAM is where it puts the things where it puts the things it remembers when it needs to do thinky thing. the reason we dont put all of the memories in ram is because its more expensive, and when we turn off the computer it forgets everything that was in RAM
the Motherbord is the thing that lets all of the different bits talk to eachother
I’m showing this video to my computer repair teacher. I’ll leave the judgment up to him.
Ian Kopke I’ll report Monday after school
Just leaving a comment so I get a notification when you report results. I'm looking forward to this.
Same here
I need to know how this turns out
Just a reminder, share the results with your teacher please.
I've got the opposite problem you do Jon. Putting the parts together for a computer is pretty easy, I have a lot of trouble trying to figure out which parts are good and will work together.
The sound of fans in the background of a recording ruins it? Please, that was old Nerdcubed's signature sound with his old jet engines ramping up in every video.
Why would you need to connect the case Jon? maybe the power button and the LED have something to do with it. or the front USB and headphones jack
Jon,
The motherboard does more than just connect the components together. A simplification would be that regular wires aren't capable of connecting the ram and graphics card properly. A RAM has something like 200+ pins.
It also provides some extra like USB controllers, power distribution, and most importantly power regulation.
Also thermal paste is necessary because when you fit a cooler, it doesn't 'touch' the CPU thermally. Thermal paste helps in this and also evenly spreads the heat.
The fan speed is controlled by the processor dependent on temperature needs, that's why the fan needs to be cabled to the motherboard. :P
Merlyn Cooper
It needs power, that's why it connects to the mobo. Most fans are controlled simply by increasing or reducing the power they get sent, rather than with anything as advanced as being told to achieve a specific RPM.
Someone should get Jon a disassembled old cheap second hand PC to test what he's learned here
He could buy some parts for under 200$. With UA-cam money out of the video he at least only makes a minus of 198,50$ xD
will the correct cords light up when de-attached?
The motherboard is like the nervous system. It connects everything to eachother. Using wires instead of a motherboard would be a lot more bulky because there are a few hundreds of connections on a motherboard. Motherboard handles: voltage regulation for CPU, data transfer for GPU, CPU, HDD and SSD, USB ports, audio. It does a lot more than I can remember, but this is off the top of my head.
Oh no.
OH YES.
*Flashbacks to Disassembly* Oh God
The case needs to be connected to the motherboard so the power button and other buttons can actually do anything, also if there are any lights on the case those need power as well
I'm pretty sure, the RAM Upgrade won't work like the poor girl want it to... Great Video anyway. Had to laugh a lot, thanks Jon.
I was waiting with bated breath for the error message that never came. I could imagine Jon's total confusion and then incredulity that you couldn't mix and match RAM sizes.
IIRC you can mix and match RAM sizes, you just won't get the same level of performance out of it. Basically, two RAM sticks of the same size can work together as teammates, while two unmatched RAM sticks have to work seperately. It'll still get the job done, and better than if you only had one of the sticks, but not as good as paired sticks of the same size.
To give a brief overview of parts in a computer
CPU- Processes raw information in the form of binary
GPU- Turns some processed information into graphics
RAM- Stores various information for a various amount of time
Drives- Long-term memory storage
Motherboard- A fairly complex management system, allowing for information to get to the correct place(s) (ie information to GPU)
PSU- Supplies power
A Motherboard also has a certain type of socket which a CPU fills. The CPU must be made to fill this socket, and can't fill any socket other than the one it was made for (to my knowledge, at least).
you spent an extra $15 on ram when you couldve bought 2x8 and sold the 2gb one
Can't wait for Simulator PC Simulator to come out!!!
I used to have a subscription to CPU magazine back when it first came out (2001-ish). Then Maximum PC, until Gordon left. Now nothing.
"A hundred dollars! But that took me like 30 seconds."
Welcome to the world of computer repairs. When I used to work in a computer shop, it was back in the day when Limewire was still popular. Pretty much, we would just scan for and remove viruses for $90. If the HDD had to be wiped/formatted and clean-installed, we'd charge $150.
Physical repairs mainly just involved cleaning out dust buildup inside the cases.
The case needs to be connected to the motherboard so the power button and front ports can be used.
Best motherboard analogy I can think of; It's your nervous system. Among other things, it connects your fleshy bits to your thinky bits. Also connects your mobility bits (ea; every muscle in your body), your eaty bits (gastric system), your detox bits (liver, kidneys, etc), your beaty bits (you like having a pulse, right?), all your feely bits (skin's sense of touch, smell, taste, balance, pressure, heat/cold, etcetc).
Lots of bits.
Or how about a highway system? You could have a neat collection of roads that each service many different routes you could take, or you could have an individual road from every residence to every business you could care to go to.
Or maybe the circulatory system? Why bother with all those capilaries! Just plug the heart into the lungs and brain and call it good!
It's easy to forget what the mother board does because it does all the boring and uninteresting work of running the computer.
jesus christ jon the ram thing killed me...
Also without a motherboard, your CPU and GPU and RAM and all that can't talk to each other, if that helps simply its purpose.
Oh god, watching this was incredibly stressful, especially when he started talking about buying random increments of RAM to reach the total needed.
Worth noting that this is early access and more content may be added in the future.
$100 payment to run an antivirus on someone’s PC? This is the most accurate tech support simulation ever.
I remember when I went for a job interview at a PC repair shop. That surprised me. The only thing that made it sound not criminal was that the $100 cost covered the virus removal period, which means that a 5 minute virus scan cost as much as a really stubborn virus that required registry edit to remove.
CPU stands for central processing unit
wow (that stands for wow oh wow)
He knows. he was reading a line from a advertisment poster on the wall.
I'm not so sure he does know....lol
For a second I read the description as "a game about ruining your PC business "
insanegames with Jon at the wheel, that's pretty close to true.
I just hit 26 minutes. I think I may cry...
Also, John, if you ever read this I want you to know
YOU CAN'T REPLACE A MOTHERBOARD WITH SOME WIRES!!!
That is like replacing the chassis of a car with a plank of wood because it is cheaper and all a car really needs is wheels, an engine, and controls!!!
So as someone who repairs things for a living (not computers) I couldn’t believe it when he sold the used motherboard before checking to make sure that it was actually broken. The number of times someone has actually guessed what was wrong with the machine when they give it to me, is astoundingly small. I was waiting for him to put in the mother board and have it not work
As someone currently agonizing over what to buy for a build, this was... oddly informative. Hearing your build made a few decisions much easier
You're making me want to buy a game that simulates building computers. Damn you Jon.
DLC incoming: Chipping a Playstation 1 Simulator.
I'd buy just for that
Would you? Come see me about 20 years ago, I'll have a go.
VodkaFox id be like -5 years old so I couldn't, lol
What annoyed me was not that the RAM would never work due to the pairings, it was the fact he spent $185 on 14Gb when he could have bought 16Gb for $160 if he'd bought 4 sticks of 4Gb...
Also that PC had 1 strip with 2 GB in it. A single strip. I fainted.
Decent analogies for the various parts, Jon. A good analog for the Mother Board would be the nervous system. So your two brains communicate with the other parts of the system through the mother board.
Jon! Thermal Paste exists because air is a terrible conductor of heat. The CPU generates heat, which you want to transfer through metal, which is a great conductor, to the cooler fan where it can be dissipated. The problem is that there's a small pocket of air between the CPU and fan. Thermal Paste removes this pocket of air; you want enough to get all the air out, but have it be as thin as possible, because Thermal Paste is still way worse at conducting heat than metal is.
This is one of the common failure points in building a PC, but most modern computers have fail safes to shut down when they start running hot to prevent long term damage.
This is going to go PERFECTLY fine...
It's funny, two of my favourite UA-camrs, Jon and Robbaz. Both are entertaining when putting together Computers. Although ROBBAZ can make a functional computer and turn it into a Fallout style monitor
Correction rewatched the video and he built it out of a GE 1930 radio
I bet he is triggering the shit out of us in this video
Maverik HE DIDN'T CHECK SOCKET TYPE FOR THE COOLING FAN! lol, this is gonna be fun.
Hey Jon. If you liked that pc builder, maybe I would have another game you would like
it's called world of gun:disassembly and it is a gun sim where you can disassemble and mount guns and it's free.
With what has been happenning since the last year I can understand you don't want to make controversy but this game has challenges and can be quite addicting.
Jon yelling at a video game about fake shipping prices is my new favorite thing.
If you want to stick with anatomy metaphors. The motherboard would be your spinal cord, making sure all the data and power gets to where it need to be.
(very roughly speaking of course, it's a metaphor)
jon's doing his best, everyone!
his best may be slightly worse than everyone else's average, but he's doing his best!
*needs to put thermal paste on regardless*
Jon - „But she didn't ask for that”
Jon: What do motherboards and thermal paste *do* anyway?
Game: (provides a simple explanation of what motherboards and thermal paste do whenever he hovers over said things)
I remember playing this when it was just being created
the motherboard has everything on it, it is rarely expensive, the CPU is the brain, the GPU is kinda like the eyes but more like shows you what you are seeing on the screen so visual part of the brain, Ram is short term memory, hard disk or SSD are long term memory and degrade after a while
motherboards are usually CPU specific
and motherboards usually have all of the plugins like USB that don't come with your case
This is hilarious to watch. As a sim game, this is actually interesting to me.
I do wish it didn't prompt you to apply thermal paste and instead you get a angry customer with an overheating PC. I mean for the sake of the back story.
Motherboard would be like the central nervous system, taking all the independent operations and tying them together😁
It's like my summer car all over again oh god.
This game needs like more than one small chillstep loop for BGM...
Jon you can't get 6GB ram sticks because the memory works in base 2 in terms of GB so it goes 2,4,8,16,32 ect. Because the ram stores data that needs to be procressed by the CPU and it can only except 1s and 0s which is the reason for the base 2 counting system
Harry Forsyth actually it's just because it's more efficient to produce standardized RAM cards at 2, 4, 8, and 16GB layouts. I regularly run machines with 1, 6, and 12 GB of RAM. My current main PC is a stock Samsung model with 12 GBs of integrated RAM while my first computer had 1GB of total ram across two 512MB ram modules. Having "unusual" RAM arrangements is very common prebuilt devices and most visible in smartphones. For example, the iPhone X uses 3 GBs of RAM and the Galaxy Note 8 uses 6GB.
The amount of RAM a device has is essentially trivial as far as processing binary is concerned. The amount of RAM is not important as long as the base unit is preserved. In this case bits where one byte is equal to 8 bits
Motherboard is expensive to produce because it contains high quality wiring for the rest of the computer. You could replace it with some wires, but you would end up with a computer of the size of your house, because you would need much more components to do the same amount of work as this wiring would not survive very long high frekvences (speed per action would be much lower and computer does millions of them per second). MB is needed for the components to connect without it melting down.
I need a series of this