As a biased Mario Party 8 lover, the lucky spaces in 8 aren’t aaaaas broken as they seem. Yes they’re extremely powerful but also, it’s absurdly difficult to guarantee landing on them. There is an item (candy) that lets you choose your dice roll, but it’s also limited to only 1-5 rather than the usual 1-10, meaning in order to properly use it you have to be really close to the space you want to land on already, meaning it’s really easy to just pass the space on accident. Most 20 turn games have maybe 2 or 3 total lucky space landings
Fair! I’m sure after getting to play 8 my opinion on the space may very well change. I could really only go off of surface level mechanics and theory crafting, to which I still think the basic idea of a star, free or not, for landing on a space (even with the nerf to the slow dice item) is silly. At least with say the DK space you have to either get lucky with DK roulette/bonus or win his minigame.
@@MattTrashBoat If you ever get a chance to play 8 I highly recommend it! You do need either a Wii/Wii U or Dolphin, a Wii Remote, and either a sensor bar or some IR lights. Tedious to play if you don't have the right stuff, but if you do it is one of my favorite MPs. Also since we're talking about DK spaces, one really fun thing about the DK spaces in MP8 is that they all swap out for Bowser spaces after being landed on, which is ESPECIALLY exciting on Shy Guy Express and King Boo's Haunted Hideaway, where they don't affect whoever landed on them, but instead they place an objective somewhere else on the board that can either help or hurt whoever gets there. If you know someone's getting close to the big DK reward you can choose to slow roll onto a bowser space and swap what would have been a reward for a huge detriment, cause Bowser will steal a star on those boards. If you've got dolphin and want another youtuber to collab with and try MP8 out for at some point, I'd totally be down to play a few boards with you and showcase why I love 8 so much.
To be fair, there are some circumstances where I have been able to get a Lucky Space but turned it down to go after Donkey Kong so it isn't that broken.
Plus, you still need to use your next turn (or two (heck, even three), if unlucky) to still go and get the star, and then you get put at the beginning, losing all your board position power
Jamboree update: Hidden Block can now appear in red space. Item Space has somewhat what you wanted, it is an item rullete but in this rullet there is an item minigame. There is a new "Unlucky Space" which is a slighty weaker Bowser space. O and correction aboud previous game: Banks in Superstars only take 3 coins untile the last 5 turns, making this space hardly a threat
I disagree that timing removes risk taking. If anything, if I know it's FULLY random, I will pretty much never go for that option unless I'm literally in fourth place and have NOTHING to lose. It is an objectively WRONG choice to take the risk if you know you can't control it. Making it instead hard to control means that it promotes a higher skill ceiling.
In a general sense you can still take a fully random risk *if* the risk/reward ratio is in your favor. It’s something I love about certain elements across the series like some Bowsers/Warp Blocks/an ideal Chance Time. Sure, 2’s CT for example is controllable, meaning a higher skill ceiling, yet in the context of Mario Party I don’t really value that type of skill as it can lead to degenerate/bland gameplay (see Superstars version where most online randoms know the auto mash star steal).
@nigini6092 if you're talking about chance time, making it controllable in a meaningful way would be going against what chance time is about. It's not supposed to be at test of skill, thats what the minigames and map movement are for. If you land on chance time, like game guy, you SHOULD be leaving it to luck. If it were up to skill, you would have people practicing it and now you have an unstoppable boo with 0 downsides other than just getting to the space, which is complete garbage. You would have to care in general if you are in 3rd or 4th because you could just land on chance time and get stars and counts for free without counterplay other than people now will be going for the chance time as well. There is 0 good way to make it not overpowered of it's skill based.
@@ogxh0018 Ya I personally like my Chance Time to be completely random. It should instill both excitement and fear in everyone. Being able to "game" something like this doesn't feel right. It also seems far too broken to be able to do what you want there all the time.
Nah, you're right. The fact that chance time is takes skill, when it already is a challenge to get to, is great. It allows for greater, more satisfying variance in the game. Not to mention, automashing, while simple, isn't always the way to go. Timing for a star swap is hella satisfying, and on the third block, it's still incredibly difficult to get the result you want, really motivating you to understand the timing. All these people hate skill full gameplay if they think a skill chance time is bad.
@@egbertmilton4003 because it's not healthy for the game. In the first game, chance time can be timed which made it an unavoidable star or coin steal that shifts the whole game for 0 risk other than you messing up. That's 100% not healthy for the game in general. The boo at least cost 150% more than a star and has reliable counter play. The result if making stuff like chance time and game guy skill based, you've essentially made it so that you don't actually have to be good at anything else in mario party. You can be 4th the entire game and just aim for chance time or game guy and just get 3 stars for free with absolutely no counter play for the player attacked changing the game with almost no effort. Guess what happens to the state of the game then? It becomes a requirement to get good, solely aim for those spaces and avoid doing anything that gains you the lead so you can avoid being the target of chance time. So instead of having mario party being a game of skill and luck equally in a sense, you make it into a degenerate game of doing nothing because there's 0 insensitive to front run because you can just lose everything to someone that got good at 1 or 2 minigames essentially. Add that with the fact that mario party has items that can manipulate movement much better these days and the game turns out really bad
I honestly hate how many lucky spaces are in super stars and jamboree, it makes winning mini games feel less rewarding as you can get potentially get double the coins you would get for a mini game win just by luck and it honestly removes a bit of of skill from the game, and it’s just the fact they are everywhere so everyone’s at boo every other turn, would love to see boo repellant item comeback, anyway great video!!!!
Yeah, while I’d still find the space a bit boring, the main issue is just how many there are across the boards! I was praying it would be toned down in Jam but that doesn’t seem like it’s the case
There should be an option to turn off lucky spaces and leave it as a casual option, maybe have them function like they do in Pro Rules where you can choose what you receive from a Lucky Space without it being a roulette? They just seem a bit OP and makes the economy go through the roof.
@@MattTrashBoat they are definitely toned down in jamboree as there are clearly less of them on the boards and not 1st place gets less moneh and item options from it unlike superstars.
In my opinion the SuperStars / Jamboree Lucky Spaces should only trigger if you're in 3rd or 4th place, otherwise the economy gets bloated very quickly. Those in 1st or 2nd would just get the usual blue space effect like normal along with a text box reminding players of the required place condition.
We need the return of the Game guy space, it's geniunely one of the better spaces in the game and also counter act against the overwhelm often to see lucky spaces in the newer games.
The lucky spaces in 8 vs in Superstars are about as different as left and right. They have the same name, but the design is completely different, one being blue with a clover and the other gold with a music note, and one nets you a star in the next one or two turns, while the other can give an item or a few coins. They really should have been ranked separately
I honestly wish they’d bring back Game Guy’s space. Mostly because I watched a stream of some friends playing 3, and one of them ended up repeatedly gambling on the 50/50 chest mini game and won like 300 coins, and I’ve been chasing the high of watching him win that since.
There's something that you didn't talk about for the bank space. In Mario Party 2 Bowser Land, the bank space is different, as passing it gives you 5 coins, but landing on it forces you to pay back the coins that were given out. But also, if you landed on the space, you need to pay them back but don't have any coins, but you do have at least a star, they will literally take your star. Making the space a bigger risk if someone borrows from the bank and you don't have any coins on you but have a star, and a bank space is in front of you.
17:24 I also like the way that pro rules in jamboree does it, where you can choose between a boost to your wallet or an item, if there were less of them on the board these would be super cool even in regular party mode
I ironically absolutely love the mic space because our first time playing MP7 one of my friends landed on it 5 times in a 25 turn game (20% of turns) totaling 11 from everybody, completely bloating the game to almost 3 hours. We didn’t know there was only 1 mic mini game so we absolutely lost it seeing toadsworth slowly give the same mini game 11 times expecting something different to happen. It’s safe to say the economy was completely destroyed that game. Also idk if someone has already said it but you kinda sound like ConnertheWaffle? Mainly the inflection idk it might just be me. Anyways I’m so glad the algorithm decided to show me your channel cuz your vids slap. Keep up the good work!
Were you guys playing on Neon Heights by chance 😭 And yeah I’ve gotten a few comments over the years saying I sound like the waffle guy, which I didn’t really know who he was at first but after looking him up yeah I can hear it lol.
Great list. Despite MP8 being my least favorite out of the classic games, I personally think the lucky space there was a great addition. You gotta have in mind that there is no easy way to land on this space since there are no custom dice, and even if you get your hand on a slowgo die, it only rolls a 1-5. With these restrictions in mind, Lucky spaces usually end up to be quite the rare occurance, as they should be, sometimes 20 turns end with no or only one activation of it, making it really feel like a rare event. It also doesn't slow down the pacing and reveals secret areas of the map that are otherwise unaccassible, which I also always found very neat. On the other hand, the "Lucky" space in the newer games is probably the worst space in existance, as it single-handedly completely breaks the coin economy and makes it so everyone always has enough coins for anything. How is it "lucky" when there are more lucky spaces on the board than blue spaces?! x)
the DK/shyguy board has the item shop like 5-10 spaces away from the lucky space not counting that swaps the train wagons, but yeah in the others boards it's not really a problem
I’ll def admit that’s probably my lack of ever playing 8 before showing, but still seeing 3/6 boards give you a star for free and 2/6 give you access to a paid star is kinda wild regardless of any item play!
@@MattTrashBoatI get it, I think the space is cool as fuck, having an extremely rare space that could give you a free star or a paid star, kind of acting like a secondary objective while you’re close to it. Also they are hotspots for players screwing each other over which is basically the best part of Mario party. So I think the space is great and I hope it comes back (if they nerf the movement items)
Bro wtf this video blew up, congratulations! I forgot to comment when the vid came out lmao. But as for what I was going to say; I find it pretty weird how the mic space in MP7 doesn't get replaced with some other random space when you disable the mic. That'd be a pretty easy fix.
I will not tolerate this Mario Party 7 slander. That said, great video on an underappreciated topic! I have recently been playing Mario Party 3 and i can see the Battle space spam being a little unhinged. I do like that the Gamecube entries from 5 onward made it random as it made battles feel really special, but they're almost a bit too rare. I wish there were some sort of middle ground
Personally I think I would make it so there’s still a space, however if it’s landed on more than once within the same turn then the odds of the 0 coin option being selected are vastly higher. That way the space isn’t a flat out dud on the second activation everytime, but the odds of not actually triggering are much higher.
Everyone thinks the Game Guy space is pure luck, but I partly disagree. In Magic Boxes, I'm highly certain that the Toad and BB are constantly swapping places roughly every second. So what I would do is move the stick 3 times, again roughly every second. On the 3rd move, just after the timer reads 7 seconds left, I flick to the right chest and immediately hit A to select it. Usually get x8 multiplier every time.
I know how to improve two of the spaces in ways you didn't think or mention. Mushroom: Instead of rolling again immediately or skipping the next turn, it could add 5 to or half your next roll, essentially giving you a 6-16 or 1-5 dice block. Skipping a turn sucks too much. Duel: Making the two other players participate in some way would remove the boring aspect to it. There are two ways to achieve this. The first is to wager coins on who will win, but this risks hurting the coin economy. The second is to have them be obstacles in the mini-game itself. This allows them to favor one player over the other, but their powers should be minimized in order to not make it impossible for the unfavored player to win.
Gambling on duels sounds extremely fun actually. There could be an upper limit of like 20 coins so that you can’t profit too much off of them - if you’re right, you double your money, and if you’re wrong, your wager gets added to the winning duelists’ pot.
While I can agree on Chance Time being pure Luck, Item Space I feel is fine. If Mario Party is putting me into a Minigame, I want to make a choice. And unless it's like Game Guy letting you pick a safer bet, randomizing the Item can just be a table.
This video really opened my eyes to which spaces are bad and which are good, basically the bad ones are the single player ones where you watch someone else play a minigame for themself whereas the spaces that involve everyone are engaging because there’s usually something to gain or lose depending on how well you did, then there’s funny quirky spaces like the Mushroom Space where you can roll another dice in the same turn or be a sitting duck for next turn, Game Guy which forces you to gamble and if you win, you win big, lose and you lose everything. They could bring back DK spaces in the form of Funky Kong, that would so sick!
I would actually love it if they brought back the Friend Space with your 10 coin revamp, it could be the funniest thing ever to watch people beg for coins
Great video, ultra high quality. Keep it up! That being said, your constant takes devaluing skill and favoring more randomness clash with mine a lot, the whole point of Mario Party is to strategize around the chances given to you, but if you have no options to plan for or skill involved for long stretches of time, there is no engagement from me. An: "I had planned to go for this item for a bigger roll for a higher chance to get here to do this, but I misstimed it no way!!" turns into a: "Dang, I didn't get the item I wanted". If I wanted to have little control over what I did and have everything be super random so I feel no excitement over losing or winning, I would play one of the Mario Party games with the car. It just comes off as odd to think there should not be opportunities for the game to reward me for timing a wheel correctly or something like that, specially when they are made to be weird and hard to do so you can still regularly miss it even if it's technically skill based.
Yeah there certainly is a fine line a good MP game has to toe between luck and skill, and I agree that I found myself saying “luck > skill” a bit too much across the vid, yet in each and every context I said it I still hold strong on that opinion. Heck, MP3 is my favorite of the bunch and one could argue that it gives you the most options to strategize through a strong item selection/distribution (as I said it’s item space is a great blend between skill and luck!!) and controllable board events via action time. That mechanic alone is one of my favorite series wide because of how much influence it gives the player! It really is a case by case basis on how much luck should be injected into X mechanic, but in a broad sense I view MP like poker. You can’t control what cards you’re dealt but the best players can maximize their potential and still have a strong chance at winning…or sometimes ya just get boned (hopefully that was a decent analogy as I’ve never played poker before lmbo). Thanks for kind words btw!
IMO, I think it would make more sense if the roulettes were generally not timable, but I think having them be somewhat timeable is valid enough. I draw the line at Chance Time. The fact that the space literally named "chance" doesn't actually have any actual chance elements (aside from MP4) is ludicrous imo.
If you are using Dolphin you can play mp8 with a game cube controller with a mod with everything being mapped to a button or to a control stick if you want to get mp8 footage
I think the friendship spaces being largely unimpactful is kinda the point? It’s a slightly better space to land on while acting as a subtle catchup mechanic. I think the changes you suggested would make the space worse because it solely is worse than a blue space to land on (apart from the friendship bonus star).
I think Game Guy is such a good space. I wish it was brought back in any of the later mario party games. Unless you have literally zero coins landing on it is always an "oh shit" moment. It can win you the game or lose it, or put you back in the game if you're behind. The fact that its entirely luck based also makes it a lot less over centralizing. Its tremendous risk for tremendous reward. I think desperate "heil Mary" options almost always make the game a lot more interesting. Which is why chance time is also a really good space.
Seeing as you didn’t mention it when talking about Battle Spaces, I’m curious as to how you feel about the way they’re handled in Superstars and Jamboree.
You forgot Koopa Kid spaces from 7. Not gonna lie they kinda function like a nerfed Bowser Space from the Mario Parties with the Bowser roulette, so I understand why
Super Mario party jamboree takes a very similar approach to Mario Party 3 item space as you can just get a item without playing a minigames like mario party 3 just like there was a chance for a item minigame to be played in jamboree there is a chance of a item minigame triggering
A small correction, but in Mario Party Superstars, beginning in the latter half of the board, Bowser Spaces can actually take stars from you. Because it's at a time where there isn't much time left, that actually raises the stakes even higher. So I disagree on the front that Bowser can't take stars from you in Superstars.
Sorry if I was unclear, but in that instance I meant more so concerning the Bowser minigames, as the same in MP6 Bowser can still steal a star, just not as an outcome of losing of his minigames (rather Bowser Bonus)
@MattTrashBoat Hahaha, nah it was a great choice. It is totally gonna date the video a couple years from now though, be prepared for the influx of kids asking what the name of the song is cause it is for some reason the perfect song to listen to alongside the Talk Tuah podcast. 😂 Anyways bro, keep up the good work! Really enjoyed the video.
I feel like the mario party superstwrs and jamboree lucky spaces are way better then you may think as getting a minigames worth of coins is really good as it can both help boost good players and be a poor players only salvage if they are kinda bad.
Those spaces just make the games more luck dependent. I get it, they’re trying to help bad players out but I think after really 5 straight games of inflated economies I’d like to get a game that felt like the N64 games in how mean the economy was. When there’s less coins in the game it just makes every minigame and decision feel important. In these new ones I stop caring about the minigames after turn 5
I personally prefer there not being battle exclusive minigames. I like having the "intense" minigames in normal play and the normal minigames having the potential to being elevated to intense moments.
I could kind of get behind that but then again there’s no way a battle mini such as Bowser’s Big Blast would hit the same under normal circumstances (as evident with Superstars). To me it’s pretty cool to have a small selection of exclusive minis for battles. Makes the event more special
The main reason I hate the mic space is because how sometimes the microphone doesn’t correctly register what you say, causing a loss. It’s the only mic mini game in 7 I experienced that
sorry, but you actually missed a few: Unlucky Space Very Unlucky Space Ally Space VS Space (basically battle space) Otherwise, i think this video is very cool :)
I should have clarified a bit further but I don’t really consider Super to be in the “traditional” series. It sorta is in a way I know, but ehh I would just rather not talk about it personally lol. Unlucky could have been on the list if I had played Jamboree before making the video sadly VS space should have been included but similar to the Koopa Kid space from 7 it’s more or less as you said just a tweaked version of the battle space. Probably worth a mention tho haha
I feel like the lucky spaces in Superstars are meant to help less good players catch up. Since the lower your place the better the outcomes, and I don't inherently hate this, because if you can't afford items in Mario Party the game kind of sucks, but at the same time it diminishes the incentive to win minigames if you can just get flooded with coins by the all too common lucky spaces. I think making them a bit more scarece would be a little better, but its still not a perfect fix.
Minigame performance is still pretty important, especially with Classic bonus on, since coin earnings in minigames are not relevant to the minigame star anymore.
That comes from a cartoon called “Back at the Barnyard” based on farm animals doing whatever crazy shit. This scene is from an episode where it flashes back to the main character’s childhood, establishing the bully, who is squirting the kid cow with his own utters. Yes, HIS utters, the main character is a male cow with utters, not a bull. Don’t expect the rest of the show to make more sense.
It blows my mind that in Mario party 7 it doesn’t remove the mic space when you turn the mic off. It’s like the devs are giving you the middle finger for not trying out their big new feature
Exactly! Like not even a blue space? I legit could not believe it, but I guess since you do always have the option to turn the mic on it sorta has to be there? Still no excuse as to why it doesn’t at least give you 3 coins or whatever lol
@@MattTrashBoat the meme is used when someone says a phrase that can also be used in another context. for example if i were to say "check out my pig mask" on halloween, mother 3 fans could use that clip
This is such a great video! I will say personally I think in some cases that you should be able to have some sort of skill regardless of where it be in a Mario Party game so that way it doesn't feel like you can't control anything, to the same degree I do think that having ways of just getting free things that aren't earned are personally such a huge neg if not handled properly. I still prefer Skill over Luck though I think both should be equally balanced.
1)where does the koopa kid space in 7 lands on this list? it's technically a orb item but you can't trigger it yourself. 2)nitpick but i think it should be noted that the impact of the lucky space in 8's boards varies, tho it can make the springo candy (candy that lets you move to another player space with a roulette you can time) really broken on some occasions. -DK/shyguy board is the only real problem because from what i remember the item shop can sell custom dice candies like 5-10 spaces away, granted in shy guy there's also a happening that can change the layout of the board but even that i think it's 1 space. also speaking of the shyguy board, the DK/bowser space has a cool dynamic where DK gives you a star and bowser steals a star from you and they don't go anyway unless someone meets them or someone lands on the DK/bowser space and activates the other. -Goomba board doesn't even have the custom dice candy avaiable. -Boo board lucky space can be negated if someone gets to boo (or DK) and resets the board. -in Koopa board it's important because it gives you access to a 3 star hotel but there are 2 of these for 2 different hotels on the board and you still have the chance to outbid someone at those hotels. -in bowser board it just gives you candies.
I actually meant to give a little note pointing out the Koopa Kid space from 7 during the Bowser Space segment, whoops lol. Yeah it is sorta in that odd in-between of space and item, but in terms of space functionality I actually like it a lot! Given that most of his outcomes hold that positive/negative duality that the better Bowser spaces have. I realllly wish they just combined it with the regular Bowser Space in 7 akin to how it works in 4 but alas. For an actual placement I'd probably say not too far behind the Bowser Space itself.
Well VS is in Superstars I suppose, but yeah it’s essentially just a worse Battle space. Prob worth a mention but idk I didn’t really bother with it lol
As a biased Mario Party 8 lover, the lucky spaces in 8 aren’t aaaaas broken as they seem. Yes they’re extremely powerful but also, it’s absurdly difficult to guarantee landing on them. There is an item (candy) that lets you choose your dice roll, but it’s also limited to only 1-5 rather than the usual 1-10, meaning in order to properly use it you have to be really close to the space you want to land on already, meaning it’s really easy to just pass the space on accident. Most 20 turn games have maybe 2 or 3 total lucky space landings
Fair! I’m sure after getting to play 8 my opinion on the space may very well change. I could really only go off of surface level mechanics and theory crafting, to which I still think the basic idea of a star, free or not, for landing on a space (even with the nerf to the slow dice item) is silly. At least with say the DK space you have to either get lucky with DK roulette/bonus or win his minigame.
@@MattTrashBoat If you ever get a chance to play 8 I highly recommend it! You do need either a Wii/Wii U or Dolphin, a Wii Remote, and either a sensor bar or some IR lights. Tedious to play if you don't have the right stuff, but if you do it is one of my favorite MPs.
Also since we're talking about DK spaces, one really fun thing about the DK spaces in MP8 is that they all swap out for Bowser spaces after being landed on, which is ESPECIALLY exciting on Shy Guy Express and King Boo's Haunted Hideaway, where they don't affect whoever landed on them, but instead they place an objective somewhere else on the board that can either help or hurt whoever gets there. If you know someone's getting close to the big DK reward you can choose to slow roll onto a bowser space and swap what would have been a reward for a huge detriment, cause Bowser will steal a star on those boards.
If you've got dolphin and want another youtuber to collab with and try MP8 out for at some point, I'd totally be down to play a few boards with you and showcase why I love 8 so much.
To be fair, there are some circumstances where I have been able to get a Lucky Space but turned it down to go after Donkey Kong so it isn't that broken.
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Plus, you still need to use your next turn (or two (heck, even three), if unlucky) to still go and get the star, and then you get put at the beginning, losing all your board position power
Jamboree update:
Hidden Block can now appear in red space.
Item Space has somewhat what you wanted, it is an item rullete but in this rullet there is an item minigame.
There is a new "Unlucky Space" which is a slighty weaker Bowser space.
O and correction aboud previous game: Banks in Superstars only take 3 coins untile the last 5 turns, making this space hardly a threat
Unlucky Space isn't new, it's from Super Mario Party.
@@memeboi6942 Even earlier than that, it's from Mario Party 9 and 10
0:34 Mfs will be like "Goomba will never be ballin" and I'll show up on the field all like
I disagree that timing removes risk taking. If anything, if I know it's FULLY random, I will pretty much never go for that option unless I'm literally in fourth place and have NOTHING to lose. It is an objectively WRONG choice to take the risk if you know you can't control it. Making it instead hard to control means that it promotes a higher skill ceiling.
In a general sense you can still take a fully random risk *if* the risk/reward ratio is in your favor. It’s something I love about certain elements across the series like some Bowsers/Warp Blocks/an ideal Chance Time. Sure, 2’s CT for example is controllable, meaning a higher skill ceiling, yet in the context of Mario Party I don’t really value that type of skill as it can lead to degenerate/bland gameplay (see Superstars version where most online randoms know the auto mash star steal).
@nigini6092 if you're talking about chance time, making it controllable in a meaningful way would be going against what chance time is about. It's not supposed to be at test of skill, thats what the minigames and map movement are for. If you land on chance time, like game guy, you SHOULD be leaving it to luck. If it were up to skill, you would have people practicing it and now you have an unstoppable boo with 0 downsides other than just getting to the space, which is complete garbage. You would have to care in general if you are in 3rd or 4th because you could just land on chance time and get stars and counts for free without counterplay other than people now will be going for the chance time as well. There is 0 good way to make it not overpowered of it's skill based.
@@ogxh0018 Ya I personally like my Chance Time to be completely random. It should instill both excitement and fear in everyone. Being able to "game" something like this doesn't feel right. It also seems far too broken to be able to do what you want there all the time.
Nah, you're right. The fact that chance time is takes skill, when it already is a challenge to get to, is great. It allows for greater, more satisfying variance in the game. Not to mention, automashing, while simple, isn't always the way to go. Timing for a star swap is hella satisfying, and on the third block, it's still incredibly difficult to get the result you want, really motivating you to understand the timing. All these people hate skill full gameplay if they think a skill chance time is bad.
@@egbertmilton4003 because it's not healthy for the game. In the first game, chance time can be timed which made it an unavoidable star or coin steal that shifts the whole game for 0 risk other than you messing up. That's 100% not healthy for the game in general. The boo at least cost 150% more than a star and has reliable counter play. The result if making stuff like chance time and game guy skill based, you've essentially made it so that you don't actually have to be good at anything else in mario party. You can be 4th the entire game and just aim for chance time or game guy and just get 3 stars for free with absolutely no counter play for the player attacked changing the game with almost no effort. Guess what happens to the state of the game then? It becomes a requirement to get good, solely aim for those spaces and avoid doing anything that gains you the lead so you can avoid being the target of chance time. So instead of having mario party being a game of skill and luck equally in a sense, you make it into a degenerate game of doing nothing because there's 0 insensitive to front run because you can just lose everything to someone that got good at 1 or 2 minigames essentially. Add that with the fact that mario party has items that can manipulate movement much better these days and the game turns out really bad
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I read this comment while laying on my pillow…it is room temp 😭
I honestly hate how many lucky spaces are in super stars and jamboree, it makes winning mini games feel less rewarding as you can get potentially get double the coins you would get for a mini game win just by luck and it honestly removes a bit of of skill from the game, and it’s just the fact they are everywhere so everyone’s at boo every other turn, would love to see boo repellant item comeback, anyway great video!!!!
Yeah, while I’d still find the space a bit boring, the main issue is just how many there are across the boards! I was praying it would be toned down in Jam but that doesn’t seem like it’s the case
There should be an option to turn off lucky spaces and leave it as a casual option, maybe have them function like they do in Pro Rules where you can choose what you receive from a Lucky Space without it being a roulette? They just seem a bit OP and makes the economy go through the roof.
@@MattTrashBoat they are definitely toned down in jamboree as there are clearly less of them on the boards and not 1st place gets less moneh and item options from it unlike superstars.
In my opinion the SuperStars / Jamboree Lucky Spaces should only trigger if you're in 3rd or 4th place, otherwise the economy gets bloated very quickly. Those in 1st or 2nd would just get the usual blue space effect like normal along with a text box reminding players of the required place condition.
Or you can take from the pro rules and let everyone still trigger the full effect, but now it's only a choice between 10 coins or a Double Dice.
Or just put fewer down. If there was say, only one per every ten spaces on the board, they wouldn't hurt the economy nearly as bad.
Love the rdc reference 4:09 🤣🤣🤣
We need the return of the Game guy space, it's geniunely one of the better spaces in the game and also counter act against the overwhelm often to see lucky spaces in the newer games.
erm... no thanks
Game Guy Revolution
That's one of the reasons why 3 is my favorite in the series
@@joec7217 actually same case for me here too.
The Game Guy along with the Game Guy Charm item please
The lucky spaces in 8 vs in Superstars are about as different as left and right. They have the same name, but the design is completely different, one being blue with a clover and the other gold with a music note, and one nets you a star in the next one or two turns, while the other can give an item or a few coins. They really should have been ranked separately
Perhaps, yet even if so they both would have been ranked near the same spot if not side by side lol
worth noting that in jamboree, red spaces can also contain hidden blocks...
I saw that and I’m not sure how I feel about it lol…
Huh, no wonder whenever I get a hidden block, it’s always been coins
I like it. It gives players more incentive to land on them (on top of it being a potential bonus star you can earn).
I honestly wish they’d bring back Game Guy’s space. Mostly because I watched a stream of some friends playing 3, and one of them ended up repeatedly gambling on the 50/50 chest mini game and won like 300 coins, and I’ve been chasing the high of watching him win that since.
There's something that you didn't talk about for the bank space. In Mario Party 2 Bowser Land, the bank space is different, as passing it gives you 5 coins, but landing on it forces you to pay back the coins that were given out. But also, if you landed on the space, you need to pay them back but don't have any coins, but you do have at least a star, they will literally take your star. Making the space a bigger risk if someone borrows from the bank and you don't have any coins on you but have a star, and a bank space is in front of you.
I would leave that more so for a MP2/Bowser Land specific topic, but yeah that’s really cool! An interesting spin on a well established mechanic
I really wish they brought those Reverse Banks back, the fact that they can potentially take Stars is so hilarious
17:24 I also like the way that pro rules in jamboree does it, where you can choose between a boost to your wallet or an item, if there were less of them on the board these would be super cool even in regular party mode
How about a quick list of best spaces you can't land on?
Shops, Boo, Bowser in some maps, Star spaces, things like that
I ironically absolutely love the mic space because our first time playing MP7 one of my friends landed on it 5 times in a 25 turn game (20% of turns) totaling 11 from everybody, completely bloating the game to almost 3 hours. We didn’t know there was only 1 mic mini game so we absolutely lost it seeing toadsworth slowly give the same mini game 11 times expecting something different to happen. It’s safe to say the economy was completely destroyed that game.
Also idk if someone has already said it but you kinda sound like ConnertheWaffle? Mainly the inflection idk it might just be me. Anyways I’m so glad the algorithm decided to show me your channel cuz your vids slap. Keep up the good work!
Were you guys playing on Neon Heights by chance 😭
And yeah I’ve gotten a few comments over the years saying I sound like the waffle guy, which I didn’t really know who he was at first but after looking him up yeah I can hear it lol.
@@MattTrashBoatnope we were on Pagota Peak we just got somehow ridiculously unlucky 😂
I like the duel spaces in 6 since stars are on the table but you only have to pay 40 coins to not bet a star. Battle spaces in 4 are great aswell
Great list. Despite MP8 being my least favorite out of the classic games, I personally think the lucky space there was a great addition. You gotta have in mind that there is no easy way to land on this space since there are no custom dice, and even if you get your hand on a slowgo die, it only rolls a 1-5. With these restrictions in mind, Lucky spaces usually end up to be quite the rare occurance, as they should be, sometimes 20 turns end with no or only one activation of it, making it really feel like a rare event. It also doesn't slow down the pacing and reveals secret areas of the map that are otherwise unaccassible, which I also always found very neat.
On the other hand, the "Lucky" space in the newer games is probably the worst space in existance, as it single-handedly completely breaks the coin economy and makes it so everyone always has enough coins for anything. How is it "lucky" when there are more lucky spaces on the board than blue spaces?! x)
the DK/shyguy board has the item shop like 5-10 spaces away from the lucky space not counting that swaps the train wagons, but yeah in the others boards it's not really a problem
I’ll def admit that’s probably my lack of ever playing 8 before showing, but still seeing 3/6 boards give you a star for free and 2/6 give you access to a paid star is kinda wild regardless of any item play!
@@MattTrashBoatI get it, I think the space is cool as fuck, having an extremely rare space that could give you a free star or a paid star, kind of acting like a secondary objective while you’re close to it. Also they are hotspots for players screwing each other over which is basically the best part of Mario party. So I think the space is great and I hope it comes back (if they nerf the movement items)
Except the shy guy board
Bro wtf this video blew up, congratulations!
I forgot to comment when the vid came out lmao. But as for what I was going to say; I find it pretty weird how the mic space in MP7 doesn't get replaced with some other random space when you disable the mic. That'd be a pretty easy fix.
I will not tolerate this Mario Party 7 slander.
That said, great video on an underappreciated topic! I have recently been playing Mario Party 3 and i can see the Battle space spam being a little unhinged. I do like that the Gamecube entries from 5 onward made it random as it made battles feel really special, but they're almost a bit too rare. I wish there were some sort of middle ground
Personally I think I would make it so there’s still a space, however if it’s landed on more than once within the same turn then the odds of the 0 coin option being selected are vastly higher. That way the space isn’t a flat out dud on the second activation everytime, but the odds of not actually triggering are much higher.
Everyone thinks the Game Guy space is pure luck, but I partly disagree.
In Magic Boxes, I'm highly certain that the Toad and BB are constantly swapping places roughly every second. So what I would do is move the stick 3 times, again roughly every second. On the 3rd move, just after the timer reads 7 seconds left, I flick to the right chest and immediately hit A to select it. Usually get x8 multiplier every time.
I know how to improve two of the spaces in ways you didn't think or mention.
Mushroom: Instead of rolling again immediately or skipping the next turn, it could add 5 to or half your next roll, essentially giving you a 6-16 or 1-5 dice block. Skipping a turn sucks too much.
Duel: Making the two other players participate in some way would remove the boring aspect to it. There are two ways to achieve this. The first is to wager coins on who will win, but this risks hurting the coin economy. The second is to have them be obstacles in the mini-game itself. This allows them to favor one player over the other, but their powers should be minimized in order to not make it impossible for the unfavored player to win.
Okay those ideas for the duel space are actually fire da heck 😭
Gambling on duels sounds extremely fun actually. There could be an upper limit of like 20 coins so that you can’t profit too much off of them - if you’re right, you double your money, and if you’re wrong, your wager gets added to the winning duelists’ pot.
@MattTrashBoat They could bring back the DK Space in the form of Funky Kong
While I can agree on Chance Time being pure Luck, Item Space I feel is fine.
If Mario Party is putting me into a Minigame, I want to make a choice. And unless it's like Game Guy letting you pick a safer bet, randomizing the Item can just be a table.
This video really opened my eyes to which spaces are bad and which are good, basically the bad ones are the single player ones where you watch someone else play a minigame for themself whereas the spaces that involve everyone are engaging because there’s usually something to gain or lose depending on how well you did, then there’s funny quirky spaces like the Mushroom Space where you can roll another dice in the same turn or be a sitting duck for next turn, Game Guy which forces you to gamble and if you win, you win big, lose and you lose everything. They could bring back DK spaces in the form of Funky Kong, that would so sick!
I would actually love it if they brought back the Friend Space with your 10 coin revamp, it could be the funniest thing ever to watch people beg for coins
Great video, ultra high quality. Keep it up!
That being said, your constant takes devaluing skill and favoring more randomness clash with mine a lot, the whole point of Mario Party is to strategize around the chances given to you, but if you have no options to plan for or skill involved for long stretches of time, there is no engagement from me.
An: "I had planned to go for this item for a bigger roll for a higher chance to get here to do this, but I misstimed it no way!!" turns into a: "Dang, I didn't get the item I wanted". If I wanted to have little control over what I did and have everything be super random so I feel no excitement over losing or winning, I would play one of the Mario Party games with the car.
It just comes off as odd to think there should not be opportunities for the game to reward me for timing a wheel correctly or something like that, specially when they are made to be weird and hard to do so you can still regularly miss it even if it's technically skill based.
Yeah there certainly is a fine line a good MP game has to toe between luck and skill, and I agree that I found myself saying “luck > skill” a bit too much across the vid, yet in each and every context I said it I still hold strong on that opinion.
Heck, MP3 is my favorite of the bunch and one could argue that it gives you the most options to strategize through a strong item selection/distribution (as I said it’s item space is a great blend between skill and luck!!) and controllable board events via action time. That mechanic alone is one of my favorite series wide because of how much influence it gives the player!
It really is a case by case basis on how much luck should be injected into X mechanic, but in a broad sense I view MP like poker. You can’t control what cards you’re dealt but the best players can maximize their potential and still have a strong chance at winning…or sometimes ya just get boned (hopefully that was a decent analogy as I’ve never played poker before lmbo).
Thanks for kind words btw!
IMO, I think it would make more sense if the roulettes were generally not timable, but I think having them be somewhat timeable is valid enough.
I draw the line at Chance Time. The fact that the space literally named "chance" doesn't actually have any actual chance elements (aside from MP4) is ludicrous imo.
The reverse space is literally the only major complaint I have with the kart mechanic in Mario Party 9
Mario Party 4 Bowser is probably his most terrifying appearance in the party series.
If you are using Dolphin you can play mp8 with a game cube controller with a mod with everything being mapped to a button or to a control stick if you want to get mp8 footage
I have never deliberately landed on a Battle Space in my life and usually go out of my way to avoid them.
I think the friendship spaces being largely unimpactful is kinda the point? It’s a slightly better space to land on while acting as a subtle catchup mechanic. I think the changes you suggested would make the space worse because it solely is worse than a blue space to land on (apart from the friendship bonus star).
Mario Party Jamboree is a nice fresh air after the boring Super!
I dunno why, but this guy referring to "minigames" as "minis" tweaks something in my brain the wrong way lol.
I think Game Guy is such a good space. I wish it was brought back in any of the later mario party games. Unless you have literally zero coins landing on it is always an "oh shit" moment. It can win you the game or lose it, or put you back in the game if you're behind. The fact that its entirely luck based also makes it a lot less over centralizing. Its tremendous risk for tremendous reward. I think desperate "heil Mary" options almost always make the game a lot more interesting. Which is why chance time is also a really good space.
An idea I had for them bringing back DK Spaces while keeping DK playable is using Funky Kong, perhaps the perfect antithesis to Bowser.
Real funny especially now red spaces also have red space chances, also nice Chills reference
4:58 immediate PTSD.
Chills…
Very well-made video. Glad to see the Mario Party community thriving 👍
Justice for DK spaces. In MP8 in particular, I have said never mind the Star, I want the Monkey.
Think this might be the first time I've heard someone wanting Chance Time to be *more* random.
40:10 what, just cause I usually use YT as background audio, you think I wouldn't notice??? 😂
Seeing as you didn’t mention it when talking about Battle Spaces, I’m curious as to how you feel about the way they’re handled in Superstars and Jamboree.
You forgot Koopa Kid spaces from 7. Not gonna lie they kinda function like a nerfed Bowser Space from the Mario Parties with the Bowser roulette, so I understand why
Very good ranking 👍
Super Mario party jamboree takes a very similar approach to Mario Party 3 item space as you can just get a item without playing a minigames like mario party 3 just like there was a chance for a item minigame to be played in jamboree there is a chance of a item minigame triggering
Bro did Thick Of It dirty 😭😭💀
I'd like the idea of a "hoe i would fix every space" video to be honest,
A small correction, but in Mario Party Superstars, beginning in the latter half of the board, Bowser Spaces can actually take stars from you. Because it's at a time where there isn't much time left, that actually raises the stakes even higher. So I disagree on the front that Bowser can't take stars from you in Superstars.
Sorry if I was unclear, but in that instance I meant more so concerning the Bowser minigames, as the same in MP6 Bowser can still steal a star, just not as an outcome of losing of his minigames (rather Bowser Bonus)
@@MattTrashBoat Oh, okay. Thanks for further clarifying, because that was a bit confusing.
Fun vid, subbed!
I wasn't ready for the Thick of It edit 😭
Bro I was stumped on what to put there for some type of “this is bad” visual joke for the longest until it randomly hit me lmbo
@MattTrashBoat Hahaha, nah it was a great choice.
It is totally gonna date the video a couple years from now though, be prepared for the influx of kids asking what the name of the song is cause it is for some reason the perfect song to listen to alongside the Talk Tuah podcast. 😂
Anyways bro, keep up the good work! Really enjoyed the video.
I kinda like sticking current (or even old) memes into my vids. Kinda acts as a mini time capsule in a way lmbo
I feel like the mario party superstwrs and jamboree lucky spaces are way better then you may think as getting a minigames worth of coins is really good as it can both help boost good players and be a poor players only salvage if they are kinda bad.
Those spaces just make the games more luck dependent. I get it, they’re trying to help bad players out but I think after really 5 straight games of inflated economies I’d like to get a game that felt like the N64 games in how mean the economy was. When there’s less coins in the game it just makes every minigame and decision feel important. In these new ones I stop caring about the minigames after turn 5
@@Georgeavocados I prob should've worded it better, I did mean that they're extremely busted, not that they're healthy for the game.
I personally prefer there not being battle exclusive minigames. I like having the "intense" minigames in normal play and the normal minigames having the potential to being elevated to intense moments.
I could kind of get behind that but then again there’s no way a battle mini such as Bowser’s Big Blast would hit the same under normal circumstances (as evident with Superstars). To me it’s pretty cool to have a small selection of exclusive minis for battles. Makes the event more special
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I’ll keep that in mind when the inevitable merch line drops
Did you just casually hit us with the zoo-wee-mama?
The main reason I hate the mic space is because how sometimes the microphone doesn’t correctly register what you say, causing a loss. It’s the only mic mini game in 7 I experienced that
I didn’t even think to include that tidbit but yeah that’s valid lol
lol 9, 10 and super didn’t make the cut….wait I feel like we’re missing more…ohh well
Game Guy Space and Chance Time Space are the best
Yeah, I LOVE Mario Partying my friends!
sorry, but you actually missed a few:
Unlucky Space
Very Unlucky Space
Ally Space
VS Space (basically battle space)
Otherwise, i think this video is very cool :)
I should have clarified a bit further but I don’t really consider Super to be in the “traditional” series. It sorta is in a way I know, but ehh I would just rather not talk about it personally lol.
Unlucky could have been on the list if I had played Jamboree before making the video sadly
VS space should have been included but similar to the Koopa Kid space from 7 it’s more or less as you said just a tweaked version of the battle space. Probably worth a mention tho haha
3:19 Nooo no booster space from Mario Party Island Tour mentioned unsubbed
I feel like the lucky spaces in Superstars are meant to help less good players catch up. Since the lower your place the better the outcomes, and I don't inherently hate this, because if you can't afford items in Mario Party the game kind of sucks, but at the same time it diminishes the incentive to win minigames if you can just get flooded with coins by the all too common lucky spaces. I think making them a bit more scarece would be a little better, but its still not a perfect fix.
Minigame performance is still pretty important, especially with Classic bonus on, since coin earnings in minigames are not relevant to the minigame star anymore.
Did you get Super Mario Party Jamboree
Not yet I’m too POOORRR 😭
You should have played mario party 9 Lucky and unlucky space is completely different
I quite like the pinball one i think chance time is better as pinball
8:12 wtf is happening here
That comes from a cartoon called “Back at the Barnyard” based on farm animals doing whatever crazy shit. This scene is from an episode where it flashes back to the main character’s childhood, establishing the bully, who is squirting the kid cow with his own utters. Yes, HIS utters, the main character is a male cow with utters, not a bull. Don’t expect the rest of the show to make more sense.
1-8? What about 8’s lucky spaces?
It blows my mind that in Mario party 7 it doesn’t remove the mic space when you turn the mic off. It’s like the devs are giving you the middle finger for not trying out their big new feature
Exactly! Like not even a blue space? I legit could not believe it, but I guess since you do always have the option to turn the mic on it sorta has to be there? Still no excuse as to why it doesn’t at least give you 3 coins or whatever lol
"eckspecially"
that's not what the say that again clip means at all lol
What does it mean? I’ve never seen the movie lol
@@MattTrashBoat the meme is used when someone says a phrase that can also be used in another context. for example if i were to say "check out my pig mask" on halloween, mother 3 fans could use that clip
This is such a great video! I will say personally I think in some cases that you should be able to have some sort of skill regardless of where it be in a Mario Party game so that way it doesn't feel like you can't control anything, to the same degree I do think that having ways of just getting free things that aren't earned are personally such a huge neg if not handled properly. I still prefer Skill over Luck though I think both should be equally balanced.
1)where does the koopa kid space in 7 lands on this list? it's technically a orb item but you can't trigger it yourself.
2)nitpick but i think it should be noted that the impact of the lucky space in 8's boards varies, tho it can make the springo candy (candy that lets you move to another player space with a roulette you can time) really broken on some occasions.
-DK/shyguy board is the only real problem because from what i remember the item shop can sell custom dice candies like 5-10 spaces away, granted in shy guy there's also a happening that can change the layout of the board but even that i think it's 1 space.
also speaking of the shyguy board, the DK/bowser space has a cool dynamic where DK gives you a star and bowser steals a star from you and they don't go anyway unless someone meets them or someone lands on the DK/bowser space and activates the other.
-Goomba board doesn't even have the custom dice candy avaiable.
-Boo board lucky space can be negated if someone gets to boo (or DK) and resets the board.
-in Koopa board it's important because it gives you access to a 3 star hotel but there are 2 of these for 2 different hotels on the board and you still have the chance to outbid someone at those hotels.
-in bowser board it just gives you candies.
I actually meant to give a little note pointing out the Koopa Kid space from 7 during the Bowser Space segment, whoops lol. Yeah it is sorta in that odd in-between of space and item, but in terms of space functionality I actually like it a lot! Given that most of his outcomes hold that positive/negative duality that the better Bowser spaces have. I realllly wish they just combined it with the regular Bowser Space in 7 akin to how it works in 4 but alas. For an actual placement I'd probably say not too far behind the Bowser Space itself.
Okay MP5 fan
I’m in my 4 era atm 😈
@@MattTrashBoat that's better, but not by much lol
I'm more of an ak-47 fan myself
Im no.3
How old are you that you still think the word “especially” is pronounced “expecially” … an adult??? Yikes
Yes! I love saying especially! I’ll say it till the day I die boyyyy!!
Mario Party 8 sucks
did u miss the vs space? i mean it's functionally the same as the battle space but it has enough differences it's definitely worth mentioning
i think they only accounted for 1-8 + superstars
Well VS is in Superstars I suppose, but yeah it’s essentially just a worse Battle space. Prob worth a mention but idk I didn’t really bother with it lol
@@MattTrashBoatI still dont get how Super Mario Party isn't considered classic style