HEATED DEBATE: HAS DRAKE SURPASSED JAY-Z??? LIKE FRFR... CAN HE??? drop a comment!
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Some things Drake can never attain and that’s the respect from street niggas to mainstream America. Jay has done things outside the industry that help cement his legacy. Battling DMX in the pool hall, battling Big L in HIS hood to name a couple. I’m sorry but Drakes success is rooted in sales, Jay-Z is in sales, street, business and fashion. It’s levels to this
Exactly . That’s the roots of hip hop and Drake could never connect to that. He’s a guest in hip hop but niggas done gave him keys so he real comfortable here but he still a guest
Jay-Z a snitch an he's just not better than Drake period
@@toys3527 you got paper work showing Jay told on somebody? Otherwise cut it out. You can think Drake is better cool, but throwing that label around is flagrant my G
Drake appeals to white america he wins by default he is pop star, nigga was a Nickelodeon actor. I agree with your post
Nobody gaf abt street niggas. You think a rapper cares abt gaining a street nigga respect? You watch too much tv
LL is the most disrespected MC who went on a 20 yr run ever.
U are right, people laugh when his name is mention. He should do versus and show people.
Yeah people never bring up the guy who Brought the GOAT convo to Hip Hop. And they act like he never transcended and ended up on prime time TV every week for 10 years
Keep telling people LL is that dude came in the game at 15 16 . Drake would get smoked in a versus against LL. He's battle tested and got the ladles.
@@chaunt100 ahhhhhh I dunno about that bro drake has hits!!!!! Would be a good vs though
@@aj2kj615 yes he does. But on stage in a versus type setting and with the ladies, LL WILL SERVE HIM.
Y’all making shit too complicated. Drake surpassed Hov mainstream-wise. But Drake won’t be mentioned nearly as much as Hov when we’re talking about goats.
That’s a perfect sum up. In the end it’s about impact, not hits and sales.
@@Kiki-xx3fj lmaooooo what ??? No that's a dumb sum up drake is that nigga drake doesn't need to die for us to respect him.
Agree
factssss because what will come up that you are starting hear now is the fact that we know drake has ghostwriters...
@@lulanononwo6276 Seeing that Hov is dead, your point makes much sense
Lil wayne run ,impact and respect is the only reason we gave drake a shot!
Facts Wayne gave him that stamp at his peak and he proved it, nick too
I remember when they used to bullshit like unsigned.. independent blah blah blah yeah right lol 😆 Wayne just sold Drakes masters
True & they both wack as shit !
That’s why I listen to Drake… I heard him before Lil Wayne and didn’t know he was Drake until he got with Wayne
@@darrellmitchell4338 facts brother. I remember seeing the replacement girl video on tv and being like “oh that’s jimmy from degrassi”. It wasn’t until high school when so far gone dropped niggas was like drake this and drake that. But I had no clue who he was until niggas showed me pictures and then I was still like “oh that’s the Lightskin nigga from degrassi” 🤣🤣
Drake in a conversation period today is just phenomenal of how far we came in hiphop. Mfs used to laugh at nga like drake 🤦🏽♂️
Thank Wayne for that
Niggas also use to wear 4x shirts with jerseys over them, times progress and we get better. Hence, JayZ old ass style aint hot and Drake is in, SIMPLE
What you mean used to Ahk I still do.. he’s a talented beta male yet and still tho he also has great background sex music. Dat about it
@@TopG_KnightofOne Jayz new style is getting billions. Drake followed jay blueprint.
I still laugh at hime, he will never be up in my top 100 even because he is not an artist if he uses ghostwriters period! And that goes for any rapper who can't write shit on his own!
Jamar literally can't not say eminems name. guy is literally known more for speaking on eminem than his own music
And let's not forget that jamar stole the house of hip hop analogy from Eminem. He started using it after slaughterhouse and Eminem made the song called our house in 2012, a song comparing hip hop to a house. He was 1st on record acknowledging the analogy in 2013.
@@originalJoeKing ayo that’s wild lol that’s a big facts. N that track was fire. Idk if Jamar heard that and got the idea but I deffffff never heard him make that reference on Vlad anytime before that record.
Lord Jamar trying to factor in Eminem topic every chance he gets it's so corny 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
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Super corny!!! He couldn't hold a fukin candle to Eminem!!
He's right though. Em's content has always been his Achilles Heel. He's ridiculously skilled but half the things he's talking about ia corny as F.. You can be the most technical and rap in quadruple entendres all day but if its nonsensical who cares.
Haha but! He kinda had to when u talking about passing up “all” mc and had to go into the “type” of person they are again trying to discredit em.jamar can’t talk hip hop without mentioning em
Facts
It's so wild that a debate about Drake and Jay. And Jamal still is able to talk about Em
I'm not gonna lie I have noticed that.
It’s pathetic. I knew where he was going as soon as he started talking about respecting artists. He’s transparent.
foreal. randomly had to say his name. Em still in his Jamar's mouth
Jamar always has to throw ems name out there…to me that means he fucks wit dude but just has to remind you that he doesn’t and to me that’s corny Af…like just stop it Lord Jamar…dude can spit and you hate how nice he is…just my opinion…and I thought LJ and Slim actually sat down and deaded all that shit…
@@sprk007 yes
Leave it to Jamar to talk about Eminem when everybody else is talking about Drake and Jay. His man-crush is unreal.
Facts plus TAX!! Salty cuz he’ll never be in anyone’s top 5 like that. If he got more love maybe he wouldn’t be such a hater. I love Lord J & the utmost respect for him and Puba and Sadat but if I’m bein honest nobody mentions Lord J in these top 5 type conversations and I think that’s where it comes from. If he was a contender he wouldn’t be slinging mud all the time.
Im starting to think he have wet dreams about him
It was used as an example bruh 😂😂😂 Lord J haven’t spoke on EM since EM admitted he was a guest
He brought it up ... nobody was saying nothing about Em. It was Drake & Jay Z ..
See if you talk about him, He's in the Conversation, he's apart of hip-hop..
@@josephmontoya2251 Jamar is just upset that the white boy does it better than himself. If he was really all about hip hop he’d be praising Em for his accomplishments, bringing attention to the genre and for mastering the craft.
This question needs to be more specific because statistically Drake’s numbers on the charts and streaming may have surpassed Hov’s, but as far as Impact, Skills, Influence, a Cultural Icon, etc… It’s a no for me👎🏽
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Jay Z has been alive for 50 years. People will include all those things with regard to Drake 20 years from now
@@papiiluvz I feel that but they did for HOV then too.
@@papiiluvz meaning he was hot without internet drake wood go wood without internet
@@cellalegendsdad723 the fact that you have to bring hypotheticals proves that you’ve got no argument here. The internet exists so what now nigga?
This conversation never gets old comparing Jay to anybody is same as comparing Jordan to whoever..Great content fam.. I could listen to this all day #barbershopvibes
Nahhh..... music is subjective. Just because you think Jay is great doesn't mean I have. MJ is a completely different level of greatness.
in. terms of sales & popularity
Jay Z - MJ
Kanye & Donda - Kobe & GiGi
Drake - Lebron
Except Drake is actually Lebron
@@demondwilliams1522 you mean how their careers are so parallel?
That sounds crazy, cause if Jay was so hot his ass would've been hot when pac and big was alive
I feel this conversation needs to be more multi-generational, some young dudes in their 20s will give a different perspective
Their perspectives tend to be flawed because most young cats don’t have understanding of history and can’t tell you much about anything outside of their own generation of rap...
I beg to differ. Yall got to be open to hear em out. I'm 25 and don't think jay on Drakes level. Neither top tier with the words. But if we talking music drake better then Jay. Better run. More hits. Pop and rap. He done alot in small amount of time
I'm also 25 and Drake has never been a top tier rapper to me
He has used ghost writers his whole career and even with that he has no amazing bars, no classic album, none of his albums are pure rap or hiphop they are all a mix of what is hot at the time. In my opinion I could name over 20 rappers who would smoke him in diss records, battles, bar for bar, track for track at rapping not pop success.... If jayz/nas etc in their prime had the social media and money behind him that drake does the last 10 years, were appealing to the masses and every second girl loved them they would be bigger than drake in my opinion.... I've never heard a top tier emcee or legend of the genre name him in their top 5 not once... he can rap and he does his thing but when it comes to the art of rapping and hiphop music he shouldnt even be considered in that top tier conversation when you have people like jadakiss black thought royce da 5'9 and so many other absolute lyrical machines still so under appreciated after over 20 years perfecting their craft and never switching up their styles to try become pop artists
@@theonetheonly7195 have you listened to Hov's catalogue of music?
@@theonetheonly7195 foh the black album alone shits on drakes entire discography.
Surpassed him popularity yes and possibly CURRENT cultural relevance but NOT in hearts and minds of True hip hop enthusiasts!
Agreed, long run but not respected like the og
True, but the latest albums are a big sign.. Kanye's album was really trash, 5/10. Drake's however was straight FIRE from the 1st track, and even had the better production.
Sand Dunes "straight fire" that shit was cheeks
Drake is bigger than Hip Hop now, He’s an Artist. Known Globally
He’s loved in his homeland Canada so i’m sure he does NOT give a fuck ab what the US thinks lol
He embraces Toronto and the 6ix. that’s it
@@WindRipples- 90% of drake album was love songs though. I think he needs his own genre
Drake been rapping about the same Woman for 10 years straight!
And jay-z been rapping bout the same coke for 30 years straight
@@strongcat2421 I hear you clearly, but Jay evolved into something else. He don't even Talk like that no more
@@strongcat2421 what coke rap was on 4:44? Hater
@@wisesupremeuno because he's fucking 50. Give Drake the same time
@@SayWhat336 being a hater is thinking any of them have been rapping about the same thing.
Drake hasn't past Jay-Z! The difference is Drake can musically move in 2 lanes & still have success! A lot of artists are unable to make that move & be successful.
He move in a corny lane
@Trevon Womack His music is corny. Corny as fuck
@Trevon Womack Kendrick and J Cole don’t do drugs and get arrested and nobody thinks they are corny only Drake
@alexander harvey Drake is Jcole and Kendrick father, stop the 🧢🧢🧢 the aren't pop because they don't have the ability to Drake can do both lanes because of talent
@Trevon Womack his music is trash.
These clips have been addictive like a mutha. Definitely digging the show. Salute!!!
Drizzy is a legend and best of his generation but he ain’t on Jay z level
Facts and will never be
and he CAN NEVER BE. he is signed to a bunch of other niggas that he will always call BOSS
Drake is def the best of this generation but I’d say top 3 is 1. Jay 2. Drake 3. Wayne
Your smoking work Jay Z not on drake level he’s only competing with the greatest and they all dead. Jay Z wouldn’t even be mentioned if Biggie was still living so cut it out. Drake been surpassed Jay z years ago tf
@@user-mz3ni8yu4v of this generation? Are you dumb who tf listens to Jay Z or Wayne this generation you people are so out of tune. Drake runs everything right now stfu
No matter what artist you prefer these types of conversations are good for the soul. Shout out to Hip Hop ✊🏾
Not even close.
Jay Z influence on the culture is unmatched.
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Honestly I find it laughable people even think this is a close comparison. Hov is levels above.
It’s a close debate. Both goated
It depends on your age group.
@@user-mz3ni8yu4v only if u a drake fanboy or young as hell
That the debate was to short Hoffa you need a part 2 and part 3 salute good conversation though 👏
Drake is no where near one of the greats. Idgaf about sales and popularity. Dude makes music for females and overly emotional dude's
More like he doesn't make music for old dusty folk who are too insecure to hear emotion in music
@@papiiluvzsomebody soft
@@Tumorcoach imagine thinking you’re hard and your names Garett. lmaooooo
You guys have really lowered the BAR OF WHAT GREAT RAP
thank you
They need this generation to give em the views and the subs.... they can't dispel their legends.
I think most people these days just want disposable music they dont need to put any thought into and drake (and many others) provides that while aboard the hype train so it seems cool to them to eat it all up.... how anyone could say donda and clb are top level rap albums that people will discuss and listen to in years to come is a joke to me
Drake is a rapper/singer not an MC, he's nowhere near Jay Z, Nas, Biggie etc
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Nor LL cool J.
Drake needs one undoubted classic album. He doesn’t have one. Jay-Z got at least 3.
Agreed
I can sneak Nothing was the same there. U can't expect these new niggaz to have the same calibre of artistry as 90s niggaz. So the quality control is going to be different.
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@@malusintsele8031 but as a rapper or artist there has to be a bar set somewhere to the point you work too like my opinion Jay-Z is the goat 20+ summers running the game never switching up his flow staying consistent never having a ghostwriter dropping classic great album influencing the culture drake in my opinion isn’t doing that
exactly
I feel Eminem has to be mentioned for longevity he still does well and has been around for over 25 years
Longevity mean Being Great for long time
Eminem ia not at that high Level all the time.. People make him Relevant because he wrote stan
@@wacko37 bullshit and a lot of other songs
they will never give him that credit especially with that lord jamar there smh
@@wacko37 Bro. He has 4.2 billion listens on Spotify in 2020. FUCK YOU AT? America is a pond, EM is more relevant today than your travis's, and babys.... HE WILL DROP AN ALBUM SOON AND WATCH IT SELL MORE THAN CLB.. I challenge you.
Em def in the conversation for GOAT. Add in Jay-Z, 2Pac, Nas. Wayne maybe. There are some early trailblazers like Kane, Rakim, LL, that deserve mentions too. Drake isn't in the conversation for me at all.
Title: Has Drake surpass Jay-z?
Me without watching one second of the video: No!
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FUCK NO!!!
Has ANYBODY in the rap game actually surpassed Jay???!!! Nah...
Yea he ain't coming up on what Jay has done, just different!!
Same. 😂😂😂😂
Respectfuly that eminem diss was corny, he's a legend and legends respect him
They always do that to Em. Niggas mad the white boy stamped more than everyone in that room.
100%
Yeah, so may try to downplay Em. When he been rapping at such a level for 2 decades. let alone his critical and commercial success. Unmatched
Exactly, and that analogy doesn’t apply to Em bcuz he’s anything but corny. He’s just a regular dude that loves & respects hip hop culture and is a student of the game. Always has been.
Redman is one of his idols, and through his work in this culture he got to a place where Redman actually says he’s one of HIS favorites. Can you imagine what that feels like??? I love Lord J, and revere him but if I’m being objective he’s not in anyone’s top 5 like that so he’s gotta knock it off.
@@blakshaeinc6175 a fucking men!!!!
If we talking sells and influence Jay-z still have him beat for the simple fact you had to sell million of records with no real internet back in the day.
Drake is a very good artist. With that being said he has not passed Jay Z in my opinion. Sonically or public influence wise. He has had a very strong run but I don’t think he has albums that we deem undeniable classics. He may have Jay on features though. He has made some mega hits with others artists throughout the last 10 years.
Take Care? NWTS? IYRTITL?
Bruh trippin saying Drake didn’t start out winning….Drake been winning since So Far Gone….Before he even dropped his first album.
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@@victomoremixxx8938 no not a L it's the truth drake always A w.
Drake been on to since before so far gone that was just the major push. The Come Up was nice he would have done well regardless. As far as surpassing Jay, no there is a lot he would still have to do. His accolades are impressive.
i said the same thing
Lord Jamar always gotta find a way to bring up Eminem up lol
Facts. Jealous.
And let's not forget that jamar stole the house of hip hop analogy from Eminem. He started using it after slaughterhouse and Eminem made the song called our house in 2012, a song comparing hip hop to a house. He was 1st on record acknowledging the analogy in 2013.
Aint that the truth.. Can't he bring up Bubba Sparxx or someone just like, one time
What dude is a pop rapper this is stupid yall know better he is responsible for everyone that's not from the culture thinking they know the culture cause they listen to drake this is disrespectful in every way lol
drake is a much better artist, different level of talent, jay a better pure rapper, but drake is the greatest artist in history of hip hop
@@rockymars80 lmao
@@rockymars80 stop inhaling balloons 🎈 Son!
KEEP LORD UP HERE MATH YALL LIT...NC TUNED IN SALUTE 💯
Interesting convo in that it hit several areas worth discussing. But think of this: the way you start has an impact too. Jay-Z didn't have 6-7 well-known rappers co-signing him before his first album. Jay-Z didn't join a label that was reaching the pinnacle of rap with cats who were a whole decade in the game. At the end of the day, "the type of n*gga you are" argument holds true because Jay did all that he did, basically going AGAINST the industry, while Drake had the winds of the industry behind him. Let's keep watching to see whose ship sales farther and longer. So far? "Advantage Jigga".
I like your perspective on the topic.
Real spill! Hov got the verse of the year in 2022, that's insane and unheard of in hip-hop.
Jay-Z been 25+ years relevant and killing rap "strictly off rap"!
Jay been in it for 30 Years and still relevant - across multiple generations. And he helped put on others who are top tier. And at his peak, he effected culture differently. Drake is popular. Nobody wants to dress like Drake. Prime Hov changed the contents of people’s closet, the way they wore their hat, their brands they wore, etc. Drake on the other hand is one of the most quoted artists ever. He’s a memelord.
But Drake would have to double up (in Years) AND put on other artists who are great to be in Hov territory. Drake is in the convo as far as NUMBERS only. He doesn’t have a Reasonable Doubt, or a Blueprint. However you CANNOT compare numbers. Hard Knock Life sold over 5 Million PHYSICAL copies, with no streaming and no pop records, THAT’S CRAZY. We will never know how Drake would have done in a world with ONLY physical copies. What if Hard Knock Life could have just streamed all day, and gotten added to playlists AND had youtube streams? We’ll never know. So why compare?
On the flipside, Jay put on for Marcy. Drake put on for an entire Country. He is an international artist. That also explains a lot of his popularity. His reach and appeal is much broader than almost anyone. So, why even compare?
Drake is a Great. Jay is a LEGEND.
Period!!! 🙌
He hasn't passed jay z because he got bodied by push a t, the ghostwriting allegations, the obvious of biting lyrics and flows and lyrically he's not on par with jay.
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Trust me he could have answered, but he was not losing the nah for that one. Drake smarter than you think
@Trevon Womack lil wayne. He freestyles so much and several rappers say jay here's a beat and does it in one take. Travis Scot said jay free styled one of his albums in front of him. All one take never hearing the beats beforehand.
Didn’t Jay get bodied by NAS? Didn’t Jay have a joint album with R KELLY. Didn’t Jay z date aaliyah lil young ass? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@kvngamo205 depends on how you view the Jay nas battle. Lyrically, takeover is superior to ether. Ether is the more battle rap type of track. But a quick question. How come we rarely, if ever, bring up the second part of the beef last real nigga alive vs blueprint 2
Drake has a million of great catchy hits, BUT when it comes to his impact on the culture he just comes off as corny in comparison to Jay.
Is everyone just nodding their head yes to get Lord Jamar to shut up ?
Bruh.,,,🤣🤣🤣
One thing you gotta put into perspective
Social media
There was no social media when Jay z started it was straight grind Drake came in at the start of social media
Simple answer : no
So we're comparing an artist with a ghost writer to Jay-Z. Where's the classic album? Where's the legendary battle. Drake hasn't influenced the culture the way Jay did. Your comparing a dude that sings love songs to an mc. STOP!!!!
Exactly this whole CONVO is spooky You don't put those dudes in the real hip hop convo they just pop mainstream
I would imagine more than half of drakes fan base are teenagers and women who listen to no real rap music or have zero knowledge of the history of the genre
Drake had a writer for two songs. You niggas hear one thing and run with it. Do your research lil nigga. Even Drake wrote for Kanye
@@user-mz3ni8yu4v I'm pretty sure nearly every song on his new album has others credited as co writers on songs... He also has more than enough money to pay people to sign contracts where they agree to never disclose they wrote the song nor be credited for it
His producer 40 helps him write a lot of songs and he admits it, so 2 songs is not true
He admitted to using ghost writers when the meek mill beef happened too, I would believe a lot of artists that are superstar global icons are using co writers
Pusha t and cyhi have wrote a lot of Kanye's bars for example
They need stop that shit for real for real
The disrespect to Lil Wayne on this show really irks me…Drake hasn’t surpassed Jay Z hell he ain’t even surpassed Lil Wayne! They mentioned Drake’s run as if they don’t know who even started his run FOH!!!
Facts unbiased at it's finest .
Jay They wildin. Really got it out the mud . the real hustlin/rap dream that came true. diff cloth shit hit different.
Exactly!!!
So Drake didn't get it out the mud... He went from a single parent household with no money in Canada to bring the biggest artist stateside... If you gotta sell drugs to get respect that's crazy... Like if a nigga ain't a criminal his grind ain't legit🤣🤣🤣
@@umlbp yeah u right...
From the mean streets of Canada to Degrassi. The homie really got it out the mud 😒
@@ThePremierGroupLLC I never been to Canada so I ont kno nothing bout they "streets"... But poor and single parent home is poor and single parent home all day... You know "out the mud" is referencing not having shit right???
@@umlbp 🤷♂️ who GAF???!!
I never asked for your opinion.
I stand by what I said. Kick rocks!
Jay has never fell off since he started way back 🤷🏽♂️
Neither has drake lol
@@jacoboviatt6700 Jay has a decade and half on Drizzy
@@qaspanova true but he hasn't dropped anything in years so it's not really a decade and a half. Nobody rides around listening to jay. Don't get me wrong he is one of the goats but his time has passed bud.
@@jacoboviatt6700 Of course. Drake's time will pass. They all will. Will he be considered as powerful and impactful as Jay-Z then?
@@jacoboviatt6700 PS: I ride around listening to Jay but I understand it's about the generation
Drakes run is good because there are a plethora of ghostwriters on his joints. Of course he's gonna stay up. Jay-Z writes, Nas writes, Em writes, Busta writes, Wayne writes....Drake has...writers.
Not even close. They’re not even in the same category. Drake sings in 40% of his albums. That means he can put extra emphasis on bars compared to a person tapping the entire time.
There is zero question about Jays pen. Drake makes good radio music.
People need to be non-bias about this.
And Hov did it without a pen lol 😂. And still ended up being inducted into The Songwritter All Of Fame (2017) and The Rock and Roll All Of Fame (2021). That nigga is a genius
Radio music is hilarious. It’s good music and bad music. There are underground rappers who’s music is just not as good as mainstream rappers. Drake makes good music. Period
Drake still has some to work to put in..That is so true.Jay has created a whole lane in Hip hop.He started clubbing with Crystal, wearing Platinum over gold, throwback jerseys etc..He would get more props if mofos were not haters.He created a whole culture with in a culture.Drake has yet to do that and i doubt he will.He has the accolades but not the influence whereas Jay has both.
Drake is also 17 years younger than Jay-Z so the mere fact he is still in the same conversation as Jay is a feat in itself.
@@missm7234 he's only in convo as success wise as in streams. If we took success away and only focused on the craft he's not even close. If we took away both their success stories and nobody knew both dudes and we had to judge both of them off skill alone , drake wouldn't be in the same level as jay.
Everything Drake and Wayne did was just a continuation of that swag/flashy shit Jay perfected and popularized more than anybody else...
Drake needs a classic album. He needs a blueprint. Right now he's leaning too much into being corny cause that makes him money, but one day he will put together classic just for the love of hip hop instead of money. Like what if Kanye and Drake did an album together. That would be a whole next level type joint.
@Brunson III Films Jay now got billionaires in his camp. Jay wrote the west coast anthem. Jay is an anomaly, drake needs to deal with Kendrick first.
JayZ writes his own lyrics and they are reality based. Drake hollering gang shit may sound good to some but it’s not his own experience over the beat.
Jayz fabricated his lyrics like 90 percent of other rappers
@@theloxfamily2862 I don’t know about that but at least he wrote his own music.
What didnt drake write? The hook to a couple songs now if u told me drake aint write 5am in toronto or stay schemin or something of those caliber records then i would never listen to him again lol
@@hopkinsfamtv4238 I cant tell you what he did or did not write because we know that he had ghost writers on some songs.
@@hopkinsfamtv4238 the hook is the most catchy part about a song it’s what gets a artist noticed today the hook and the beat, so the fact that it’s reference tracks out here for him for hooks is major and it’s not just hooks.
And the tracks that got leaked are just the ones we know of you don’t think it’s more lol
Musically...Yes! After 10+ yrs he is still selling out stadiums, still dominating charts. He influenced a generation to make more melodic rap music(good/bad) not just in the states but all over the world. He got the toughest of Guys hiding in their rooms crying over females, when they be going through it.
Good interview... My G eyes looked crazy in the thumbnails 🤣🤣
Bro How u even put Drake n Jay if Drake has a ghost write.. how many classics does Drake have? who has influenced more people? Who is more respected in hiphop?
🎯 you ain't never lied
Here's how to answer this question - you have to ask another question. Are we judging this based off something quantifiable like record sales and awards OR are we judging this based off "perceived" influence and impact? If it's the latter, simply create a poll including everyone from today's kids to the old heads...
Was wondering when Jamar would bring up Em. He got tired of waiting for someone to mention him.
He's such a fuckboy!! He wishes he could stand next to Eminem.
💯 em hater that's how he is known not for rap come on
@@robbieneeson4031 facts. His wiki actually mentions Em. Not vice versa.
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Out of no where shit..Lol.Jamar is sick as fuck
Yo I need this full episode already like lol
Posted 4 days ago I see lol
No way in hell drake hasn't influence the culture like jay stop
Fax
Kanye influenced everybody 808 heartbreak birth a generation of rappers using that sound
drake influenced white america that gives him the W by default unfortunately
@@sunzofman940 u must be high jay influenced white America drake making niggas soft
Idgaf about when MJ won a ring, he was the BEST IN THE WORLD before he won a title
You obviously never saw Magic Johnson play
Or bird 🐦
@@chaunt100 we did and we saw MJ smoke both of them. Since he was a rookie he was better than both. They had the better teams is all.
@@fuddyduddie1205 he ain't smoke them. Get outta here wit that. Magic was the man in the 80s and was that dude. He wasn't a chucker like Jordan. Magic gave up the rock and made everyone around him better.
@@fuddyduddie1205 again with your comment you ain't watch them play. The only reason mike started winning chips was because the showtime LAKERS Celtics Pistons and 76ers got old.
Idk where this attitude of “niggas don’t fuck with Eminem therefore he is irrelevant” came from. In pure numbers, more non-black people listen to hip hop and rap than black people. And those people love Eminem, assuming that no black person does (which it’s unlikely given how many black rappers he has inspired). So if all those non-black people stop listening to rap, the industry is potentially done. So it’s not like you can say their opinions or voices don’t matter. They do, they keep the industry running and give all these rappers all that money they flaunting. And as long as those voices matter, Eminem should always be in the conversation cause they love him. As a matter of fact, they love him so much, that this dude won’t stop bringing up his name for clicks lmao. He feeding you fam, be humble and sit down 😂.
Two things can be true. Non black fans are contributing to keeping the culture alive. It can also be true that a lot of non black fans only listen to Eminem so their opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously.
@@wayne2746 but the latter is unlikely to be true. Why do you think Drake does so well on streams and album sales? Look at how well he does outside the US. You also have people like Wayne stating that he goes to concerts and sometimes the crowd is all white. So I doubt that non black people only listen to Eminem.
Lots of Eminem casual fans are surprisingly not a hip hop head. Tell them to give you a Top 5 and they'll give your corny rappers like NF or Hopsin instead of the traditionalist lyricists that hip hop heads listen to. Compared to Jay Z and Lil Wayne fans during their dominance, most of their fans stick to rap.
@@gamemaster91 with all the rap I have listened to, em has only inspired white rappers. Ain't no niggas tryin to sound like em.
@@gamemaster91 You make good points except Reading is fundamental, I didn’t paint a broad brush on everyone white. I said a lot of them, meaning alot of Eminem fans don’t really listen to anything besides him. They only heard of Joyner Lucas when Em shouted him out. Also, you’re out of your mind if you think eminem and Drake share the same fanbase. So my previous statement is still in play.
Hoffa killing shit these talks are 🔥🔥🔥
Math keep killing man. Look forward to every episode fam
Salute! Please share the vid!
Comparing anybody to jay is kinda ridiculous. Jay been in the game damn near since hiphop started. He was Rappin with Big daddy Kane. Drake and lil Wayne is a better comparison.
(1)One has a billion dollars and made the game pop collars, the other got a billion views and relates to people that live in news-papers. And they work together so ... [^]
Jay-z was more consistent, he dropped album every year.
Solid ones too. Not much rappers had done that.
And drake has no classic album in my opinion he has a lot of good music it’s not great to me just good
Every Nine months
if were going to be honest..NOBODY has been hot for over a decade besides Drake..And by Hot, I mean CONSTANT hits in rotation for over 10 years...And being the guy everybody goes to for collaborations.
Wayne had a good run
2 chainz had a brief run
Nicki had a good run
Ross had a good run
But Drake is on another level as far as being relevant for a long period...And im not even a drake fan
They seriously putting drake on par with hov 🤔 am done with this shit
I've noticed that the more people hate on Drake, the more he keeps winning. Plus dude can sing which in a sense puts him in his own lane coz not a lot of rappers can sing too.
the reference tracks is what holds drake back from being 1 of the best mc's. he's in the category with kanye, dre, and puff, not in the category with jay, nas, big, and em
That's what I like about podcast because of the creative control the host /owners have. Only have people on you actually want to talk to
As a mainstream act, pop star… drake passed Jay years ago… in the hip hop world Drake can never pass Jay
That's the truth!
Word up...Pop stars always going to pull in bigger numbers because they appeal to everyone outside of the "black" american experience
The Quality of the music put out over Jay Z run is way better than drakes & impact on the culture
Drakes impact was bigger than jay
@@harrisoncromartie1045 Huh!?
Jay Z influenced some people to have a hustle mentality which is a part of hip-hop which became a main part of hip-hop for a while It was Braggadosius. talk about money cars clothes the material type of shit. Drake literally changed an entire landscape of hip-hop people were not singing and rapping at the same time and everyone was not trying to do it also everyone wasn’t trying to show their softer side after Drake that form of music and hip-hop became more popular so popular to the point we have variations like emo rap and emotional rap Drake literally created several genres of hip-hop that’s a bigger impact
@@harrisoncromartie1045 your just wrong man smh
@@harrisoncromartie1045 sorry Brother...but that's just so wrong on so many levels one doesn't know where to begin to dissect what you just said.
They all hit some good points. Basically, Jay-Z is a true boss in all kinds of ways. Drake is just a good recording artist, not even a good rapper. Musically, Jay-Z puts albums together in a way that no one can fuck with. Musically, he is superior to everyone. Drake may have sales, he may have some tracks that are good, but he doesn’t have albums that hit the way Jay-Z’s do. Sonically, his tracks and albums don’t hit the same tier that Jay-Z’s do.
Ya comparing jayz to someone who uses over 80 ghost writers on an album and has all the technological advances today to make any shitty vocal/beat sound amazing. Not a convo worth having.
Drake has been an cultural icon in ways i have really havent seen another so it...he sings..does pop..latin music..raps..everything...whether you like him or not...drake will definitely go down in the top 5 or 10 as the best to ever do it...in terms of success..there are many artists who are lyrically better...but when you take everything into account...you cant deny the man greatness...
If drake had surpassed Jay-Z he wouldn’t need his feature on this album. This album was hot fresh new garbage.
No no your hot fresh new garbage tf 😂😂😂😂 and drake didn't need a jay feature if drake need jay jay need Beyonce. Now go listen cardi b gts..
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@Gem Rose I guess since now because this album was full of them. He felt he need them for some reason.
Good and Fair Point
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I love how Math look at the camera. Homie is on some The Office ish lmao
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭it's true
Respect what he saying about being cut from a different
Can’t surpass somebody as “best” if don’t write all your shit. In that case EM is the greatest
em is the greatest greater than rakim and krsone and llcoolj
Drake can NEVER be compared to Jay Z and that’s not being a Stan. Drake has NOT had nowhere near the cultural impact as Jay has.
Y’all can talk that streaming/sales talk, and to me that’s even hard bc it’s two different eras.
And Drake don’t write his own shit. Like rap ain’t even defined the same by these guys. How u gon compare em?
Lord always going viral man!
Yo that hat tho with the wu and ruff riders 🔥, I need that
How Drake surpassed Jay when he's not even close to having KANYE achievements?
WTF huh drake got all of the dam numbers
Drake is TORONTO, CANADA. An entire county is on his back little boy.
I told these Drake stans on this site already. Drake has numbers. But Drake is not touching Kanye West and he sure as hell not touching Jay-Z ever. Jay-Z only competion now is the Beatles. 😆
@@killabee9552 Jay has an extra 20 years on him you clown 😂 Ye has about 10 on him. You have no idea what Drake will be in 20. He’s accomplished more than any artist and he’s only 34. Sit yo ass down old head and take your medication
Exactly
With all due respect to my hip hop elders.. Lord Jamar opinion hasn't mattered to black Eminem fans since he was hoing for vlad a white interviewer while refusing to acknowledge a white rapper has skills. His mathematics don't add up.
@Gem Rose Also, let's not forget the days in the beginning of this Eminem conversation where he also used to carefully say "Eminem could no way in hell be called a wack rapper" his words (the 6:07 mark in the following link: m.ua-cam.com/video/DmuYKiHr5uI/v-deo.html )
This is all quite the opposite of what he "thinks" of Eminem when the cameras are in his face nowadays, huh? 🙄
@Gem Rose I tried linking the tweet you were talking about about but UA-cam is acting funny so you guys are going to have to Google that and look it up yourself.
@Gem Rose Jamar is the prince of inconsistency. And not just because of these 2 times that I acknowledged, if you were to go down the rabbit hole and look up his interviews and statements from over the years on the Eminem topic and and even in general, on other things, you will see for yourself how inconsistent that little boy is. There is good reasoning and appropriateness behind why I called him the prince of inconsistency.
September 2022, 52 year old Jay Z just dropped a verse on DJ Khalid's 'God Did' and people went crazy.
Jay Z has people today still drinking Ace of Spades, re-listening to Reasonable Doubt, talking about Roc-A-Fella after it was disbanded 9 years ago in 2013, now openly involved in the justice system (he use to do shit in silence like paying anonymously for legal fees), has cut a deal with Puma nad brough other artists into the fold, got Roc Nation to manage various artists to elevate them further. In essence, Jay Z has more of an overal cultural influence than Drake.
Drake has done he own version of putting people on. He has done features on musiucians that exposed them to his fan base and more. He to has gone into fashion with Nike. He has shed light on various sub-cultures of hip hop by doing music that represents the particular art form from all over the world. People said he was a culture vulture, however, you can see it as Drake paying homage to the art forms.
Both have made an impact in their own right and deserve to be celevrated equally.
The conversation gives you the vibe that: there can only be one- and that is not true!
Jay-Z came in the game in 96' and his last project was 2017 4:44 his influence on the culture is 21yrs old and grown!
Jigga has true classics. Just wanna love you is still fire til this day. Reasonable Doubt , vol 1 23 , Dynasty , blueprint saga. He has way more outstanding bodies of work than what some of ya giving him credit for
My squad been tossing them button ups since 1990 my fellas ....them jerseys were a craft to rock! Jersey.
No. Period.
Math get southern artists on your platform sometimes like Trick Daddy
In terms of music. Drake will never pass Jay Z. Jay Z has at least 4-6 classic albums in his 13 album catalog. Drake has #’s & hits but universally most Hiphop heads don’t respect Drake like they do Jay. Catalog matters. The number of classics matter. Drake arguably has at most 2. & that’s still debatable.
Drake is not bigger than Eminem, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Nas and other legendary OG'S.
No discussion on it.
Drake is not even the best selling artist of the decade, not even the biggest ever.
For me not even a true or genuine rapper and adding to it that he doesn't even write his own songs....
He has swag and beats, not more than that. Period.
Portugal here.
People forget many times that the world is more than just USA. Do never forget that. Respect and peace.
And it matters to say that for the millenials he done it, but overall no, not even close.
Different era's different energy just glad they're collaborating together it's not that deep
Musically, he can never be on Hov level simply because he uses ghostwriters and reference tracks! Like he didn’t even create the material he’s being lauded for…
He ain't on Hov level even if that was acceptable. Hov's lyricism and rapping ability is levels above what Drake does.
If you ever had a ghostwriter, especially a ghostwriter you kept secret till sumone leaked it! I can not put you over anybody that writes their own rhymes.... Becuz if you tried....TRIED to keep Quentin Miller a secret, how do we know if you had other ghost writers write for you and how many!
Real talk, Detroit was wearing button down in the mid 80's DOPE BOY FRESH
So all I have to do is have someone write my songs and if the people like them I can be in a discussion like this of being the goat?
In some aspects he may surpass Jay... but if thinking in the bigger picture, Jay still is some leagues above Drake
For me tankin account (Skill/Success/Sales/Impact/Persona/longevity.) Drake not even on the top 3 (Jay-Z / EM /Wayne)
And over the last Deacade i lived in many places over the world (Brazil/USA(NY and CALI)/Spain/England/South Africa/Japan/South Korea.) and this 3 always are the names with the most influence by Young/OG's
As for the EM not a N***... Mike Tyson said he is one so... i'm gonna side with Mike in this! kkkkkkkkk
Jamar still thinking to small in his little Hood mind... The World is way bigger than your hood, and in some places over the world EM is the N*** the Hood likes...sorry to pop your bubble!!!
It's insulting to Em to say "actually, Em IS a n***a". The reason Hip Hop Culture loved Em is because he never put on a "black" persona, he spoke about his life with skill. Of course, this extended to him appealing to white people instantly, but he had genuine skill. On the flip side, his subject matter will connect less with African American environments on an empathetic level. Objectively, there are more than a few rappers just as technically skilled as Em.
@@bruceleeds7988 hum... i see your point!
he was always true to himself, but using the context Jamar was Saying he was Using N*** word like EM was not "THAT DUDE" that ppl wanted to be.. wich is false bc, i know ppl who wanted to be like him (i liked Hov style more.), they put the blode hair on and was not only White kids at least on Salvador-Brazil where i grow up!
FYI: knowing the 200+ em tracks he has subject to everyone tho (except for selling drugs), but most ppl only focus on the radio/TV that was played!
When Hov stop then we can have that discussion 💯
Exactly
The fact that this is even a debate is ridiculous.
Ayo these titles been real clicky lately and the suggestion of drake Surpassing Hov is wild topic😦 like why we even putting that energy out there. This my favorite HipHop channel but I’m worried it’s Gonna start getting click bait’ish.. I remember this is how the Joe Budden podcast eventually gave in. But I fux with math. Could just be me 🤷🏾♂️
I compare Hov to MJ. He was too good for too long. He checks too many boxes. He did it during a more difficult era to be the star that he became. Physical copies, no social media, more competition, a different standard of what good music was, ghost writer for others while Drake has ghost writers, impacted the culture on multiple levels, literally dropped EVERY year while he was active, I can go on. Drake is a LEGEND. HOFer without question. He just can't pass a nigga who has been before now during your run. It's impossible. It's not a good comparison really cuz Hov means too much to what the culture as a whole has become. There's no Drake if there wasn't a Hov first.