As an Iranian I love seeing two Iranians with totally opposing views and high levels of passion debate without getting bitter. Props for remaining gentlemen
I don’t always agree with PBD but what I love about him is he brings on guests that have opposite beliefs of what he believes in. He definitely believes in freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
His stands on the murderous regime of the shah being better than the murderous regime of the mullahs was truly aweful. It's so unfortunate that some folks keep grasping for a facade that is nostalgia for the past instead of moving forward and plea for true democracy and freedom. There is literally NO room for monarchy in the POLITICAL realm. Why does he even care?? It's done and over with, get over it. He's a Pahlavist as Reza said, I have no respect for that political affiliation one bit, it truly shows a stunt in your political understanding and development and honestly makes me doubt the intelligence of anyone who still fights for the reputation/legitimacy of a monarchy in this day and age.
Fully agree brother. This is the only path forward for us. Even if we only find common ground on the ends, but not the means, is a great place to start. We should celebrate that and emphasize that.
this conversation went word for word 100% the same way two cubans who get together talk about cuba. Reminds me of hearing my stepdad talk about cuba all the time. In both countries nothing has changed since I've been born.
Same with Chinese families too! Holy moly every family gathering that turns political about the “old country” always results in a shitshow, none of these countries deserve the ‘leaders’ who are running them to the ground
Maybe 5% more emotion, dude the control he has on if you think about how attached to this he is personally. I know for a fact I couldn’t stay that composed and I believe I’m fairly emotionally controlled. I looked up to him, nothing more emotionally taxing to these two guys. Regardless what you believe they are both real men, respect to both ❤❤❤❤❤ nothing but love the world needs more of this then ever.
Yeah…except when hes about to lose an argument he instantly resorts to “you have to be naive to believe that!!? Pat has never admitted to being wrong, simply wont happen
@@jtstevenson81 im sure you would. Because how else will you counter logic? By arguing and dancing around it without addressing directly. Youre in denial
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vh Reza didn't make a single logical point the entire time. PBD called him naive because he equated the two sides of being equally murderous regimes. It's a popular refrain on the Left, because you guys love making excuses for criminals. Reza and his ilk are far left douches.
the example of not letting iran get nuclear weapon is like of castrating a man, all so that Israel can go rampage in the middle east without fearing any threat, because the n°1 military in the world has it's back so it can win any NON nuclear war, at the end it's all about who have the biggest gun, it's an existential threat
@@Omar-jy1gr absolutely. Unfortunately there is a group like PBD who white-wash the past and are stuck in a "lost era" which never existed anyway. They are the pahlavists and will die defending the reputation/legitimacy of a family whose name doesnt belong in the political conversation of this day and age. Majority of the people would agree with Reza on this. I'd say max 20% PBD (being generous), 70% Reza, and 10% who are still affiliated with the regime and would like to see both men dead lol.
This is why PBD is one of the best! He constantly brings on people who disagree with him or have different opinions which is what we need! Keep doing what you do PBD don't change
and those generations born pre 1990 needed to be doing what we are doing now, which is uniting and not complaining about minimum wage trying to afford a $1.2M house while driving a tesla hahaha
@@bigtechnazis3554your hero pbd is a paper thin debater… 8th grade is at least funny. pbd is maddeningly sophomoric leading his guests down the primrose path.. he only wants to get to a preconceived narrative agreed on far in advance. it’s clumsy at best. no one pbd has on his show are blown away by his brilliance.. it’s more like 🙄 wtf… you’re desperate. can I help you get to the place you’re trying to get?
Let's cut the shit The Islamic Republic and the US government will never ever have peace The Iran deal just bought some time The Trump admin just went back to the basic game play. Sanctions sanctions sanctions and more sanctions.
If this topic interests you not and you were "unwillingly" witnessing it, then no offense, but you are part of the problem. It is this attitude that has kept us basically abused daily by this regime and we say nothing. You just wanna eat food and dance and not deal with anything of importance or conflict. I don't mean offend to you personally but to not even have interest in the conversation is really bad bro.
@@amireghbal9892 not every after dinner uncle debate is informative. Most of the times people disagree just to disagree. Also, I want you to look at just the past 5 years of protests and struggles of the Iranian people in iran and around the world, the people who got jailed, tortured, and executed because of their opposition and tell me again that “we say nothing.” If all of that is nothing to you I don know what is.
This is an example of when you are so emotionally entrenched, common-sense goes out of the window. I believe PBD will look back at this exchange with a lot of lessons learned.
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 why are you copy and pasting this on all the comments?😂😂 Reza wants to give the mullahs billions and call it a nuclear deal. You think its a coincidence reza is saying the exact same thing the mullahs are?
@@popo12920 HAHAHA Why are you getting triggered because your delusional lies and hypocrisy is easily exposed. You think the U.S government using the CIA terrorist agents to overthrow Iran elected president back in 1954 didn’t have unintended consequences? Everyone knows the real THREAT to humanity is America which promotes SATANIC genderless pronounce in order to corrupt the youth of the world just as they’ve corrupted their own. Get over your feelings and deal with historical facts imbecile ;)
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 relax 😂😂 im well aware of the western demonic shit, but you do know it was the west that got rid of the shah right? You think France is giving away private jets to anyone that asks? Shah was getting too powerful but dictatorships dont work regardless because the next guy can always turn out to be a piece of shit. You muslims make me laugh you think its either western degeneracy or muslim fundamentalism 😂😂😂
@@popo12920 The west were the ones who FIRST installed the Shah which is a fact. Also, the west has become so DELUSIONAL and degeneracy is so rampant that you actually believe “fundamentalism” against Muslims. That’s actually hilarious. I guarantee you within a decade the west will call any man or a woman who views a real family is build on between a man and woman will be called “fundamentalist.” So laugh now, cry later. Muslims don’t tolerate the degeneracy that you’ve tolerated for decades and now is castrating your basic manhood. Stop lying to yourself for once and stop using brainwashed talking points against Muslims. Take care.
Patrick speaks out of emotions while Reza speaks facts. Both the Shah and current regime was/is based on dictatorship and any critisim was met with severe punishment. Now the argument Reza is making is both regimes were bad while Patrick indirectly saying he would pick the lesser of 2 evils because he personally experienced the treatment under the current regime as he was too young to young to understand what went on during the Shahs regime.
Love conversations like this. Im not sure he was expecting this type of interview, but it had to be done. If politicians talked like this, we’d find out alot. Great work
Yea but Patrick didn't listen to this dude at all. He was trying to make him pick a side and this dude thinking outside the matrix....he's saying not to pick any side bc is all corrupt
Patrick was all feelings and little facts. You would think he would have a nuanced appreciation of US-IRAN relation. He sounds like a Lindsay graham, or another chicken hawk. His main argument is they-the Iranian regime ‘hates’ us and they said death to America. So we make policies based on political sloganeering. What a simpleton
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 . NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
you negotiate from positions of strength. the Iranian nuclear deal had a time constraint, it was betting that if iran was allowed in the global economy for like 15 years, they would not want to pursue a nuclear weapon at the end- guess what, this "liberalization in the global economy" shcikt died with china's persistence as a dictatorship
We need more like this. Civilized conversation that are actually listening. Not hitting walls a real interest in moving forward in finding common ground and building on it without losing the beauty of its culture.
As an iranian living in iran let me make something clear. Reza says that the lifting of sanctions will free iranian market and people will benefit from it. I have to disagree you see PBD says you are naive to belive that because the market already belongs fully to the government they control everything for example importing cars have been banned from 2017 or around that time i belive. And we had acces to europian cars and japanese cars and others on the free market with a lot more capabillty of affording the cars. Now 90% of the cars are iranian cars that were bad before but as the time goes they only go down in quality. And chinese cars. We have internet we can see car prices of dubai and masqat and compare it to price in iran and you can check it yourself its about 10 times more expensive than arabs why? Because the government banned cars and closed the car industry for the benefit of iranian companies and the higher ups. My point is we have a closed economy not because the US sanctions us but because the government itself has a monopoly in iranian market right now and reza acknowledge this fact and still belives that the lifting of sanctions will free iranian markets.
well...lol..at least you are honest.....this conversation is super important.. so Imagine that Iran is a student who has been accused of cheating on a test. The other countries in the world are the teachers who are concerned about the student's behavior and want to make sure that he is not cheating in the future. To ensure that the student(Iran) is not cheating, the teachers agrees to give the student a series of extra assignments and to watch him closely while he completes the assignments. In return, the teachers agrees to give the student a good grade, not to punish him for past misbehavior, and to give him some extra money. This is similar to the way that the Iran nuclear deal worked, with the international community imposing restrictions on Iran's nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions and the release of Iranian funds that had been frozen overseas.. ::PBD:: believes giving money to the parent (government) is not the way to solve the problem cause he argue the parent are corrupt and they dont care for their kid..... ::REZA:: argues that there are reliable systems in place that will make sure the parent will give the money to the student (government to the people)..but they both agree that are no safe way to give the money directly to the student -- TEACHERS(USA) STUDENT(IRAN PEOPLE)
Israel has probably the best intelligence agency in the world, especially on Iran. If Israel said Iran is still working on Nukes their are only two possibilities Iran was still working on nukes or Israel was engaged in a misinformation campaign. One thing for sure is that Israel knows whether Iran is working on nukes or not.
@Regis Johnson you are aware the nuclear deal was solely founded on the hope (lol) that a country that kill women for not wearing a burka corrrectly would liberalize and not want a nuclear weapon after like 15 years of trade and exposure to western media. The deal was not in perpetuity, it had an end date, at this end date Iran would have more money, knowledge, and scientist - after china failed to liberalize, you are really saying a further extreme Iran would do so in less time?
@Regis Johnson believe me, I know sanctions do not work. And neither will “liberalization” (most societies view the west as decadence and collapsing) There are two options, either “we” (the United States military) make it so they are not nuclearly armed, or we allow the leaders of the nation to pursue what they deem is correct and hope that mutual assured destruction still works (as it has for 70 years) I am in the latter camp
As an IranianI I find it interesting that both of these guys have left Iran many years ago when they were only a kid and when the population of the country was 1/3 of what it is now. Lower poulation always means more facility richer people, less problems etc. For example we only have almost ten million Afghan refugees living in the country so the situation is very different from what they have in their minds. By the way I find Reza more reasonable in this debate. The problem with PBD is he thinks very idealistic and he forgets the fact that the country is heavily surrounded by Isis, Taliban, Al Qaeda etc. Any revolution or instability of the country can lead to a HUGE disaster for ordinary people. These terrorist groups did not exist when he left Iran and the situation was totally different. Also he thinks only the Clergies(Akhounds) in Iran are morons and deceitful and the American politicians are Saints and honestly I dont think so.
I agree with you fully! Where I lost respect for PBD, was when he pleaded to the Israeli government to start flooding Iran with weapons about a year ago during the protests. It’s not like he hasn’t seen what happened to Lydia and Syria. What he proposed would lead to millions of deaths and I’d never forgive him for that absolutely stupid plea! So there.
Patrick is an instigator, he not only "Capitalist", he is an Imperialist as well. The USA, Britain destroyed Iran is the early days, Iran does not have a history within the past 200 hundred years to be sailing or riding across the world, enslaving people, committing genocide, annihilations, assassinating leaders, overthrowing administrations, stealing resources and filing their greedy pockets etc. The Shah is no one to speak of. Had not for the West, they would not be having this discussion. Patrick has no standing in opposition of Iran, or support for the USA, his position bias and hypocritically misplaced. The Nuclear programme, Iraq and Libya are good reasons why N. Korea hold on to their weapons because, if they destroy them, NATO will be at their doors.
Research the Hashashin/Assassin's. The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's. They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders. The Iranian/Persian have ties to the Shia (Fake Muslim) Assassin's. Don't let them deceive you.
Only Reza's thoughts were informative. Half a day of his life, wasted on talking to PBD but at least the people who follow PBD got to hear a smart guy explain foreign policy as regards Iran, for a change.
@@ALCRAN2010 that's what religion is!!! The churches run the world in health care in complimentary gifts of money and health and wealth and everything from morals , integrity , values, etc... ways of life Etc.......Etc..etc
@@ALCRAN2010Islam is in decline by a massive amount in Iran. Christianity, atheism, and Zoroastrianism is growing. Whether thats good or bad depends on the person, it seems have an Islamic government isn't actually good for Islam in the modern world.
About 18 years ago, traveling from Brasil, Rio de Janeiro, to NYC, sitting next to me was a Iranian young man, 26 Years old. When the airplane was flying and the mountains apear on the window, I notice his sadness. We started a conversation and he sad to me that those mountains remind him of Iran. ...that he missed his Country but he new he would never go back because of the Government. He was the only one that survive from his family. His father, Mother and two sister die during the time they were leaving. I always pray for him. I believe he is safe and probably had great opportunities here. God bless!
Neither of you can speak on behalf of Iran. The current government would have been able to accomplish significant improvements for its people if the sanctions were lifted. When individuals are provided with opportunities, true freedom can be achieved.
As a viewer from Samoa🇼🇸 I’m a massive fan of Patrick and what he’s doing to the MSM…I know alot about whats happening in the world from PBD podcast. FYI, in this debate I am impressed how composed Pat is and the other guy was getting frustrated to the point he was swearing alot😂
To be fair Patrick was putting word in his mouth when the guy refused to choose the previous (slightly less murders) regim over current ( murders) regim and said neither .
But if you truly understand the history of the Iranian Revolution you would be very frustrated at PBD too and I actually commend Reza for being almost saint-like here with his patience in even being able to speak and explain his rebuttals and reasoning to PBD....As a viewer viewing this painful debate I'd wish I can reach my hand into the monitor and choke some damned reason and reality into PBD.
I'm Swedish and I've been to many Muslim countries. I have met NOTHING but great people. I can understand that both in Christianity and Muslims there are people who are bad, but I've had nothing but good encounters.
If you mean Iran as a Muslim country, for westerns who don't know anything outside of Europe or America, Iran is Islamic country but not a single Islamic country consider Iran as a Islamic nation, you know what they call Iranians ? "Shias" or " fire worshipers" because of ancient Iranian religion was "Zartosht", Iranians consider themselves as Iranians not Muslims.
@@Patriot12985nobody says that, stop lying and iranians are muslims, yes there are a large number of iranians who are secularists but still people are muslims so don’t lie
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People believe their currency has the worth it does because they have no other options. Even in a hyper-inflationary environment , individuals must continue to use their hyper-inflationary currency since they likely have minimal access to other currencies or gold /silver coins.
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I love it! Two grown men talking, disagreeing passionately and fearlessly and without losing their temper! Both are gentleman of the first degree! It's been a long time fellows. Thank you. I thought you and those like you, except for me of course, had moved back to mars.
Your telling me you think Rezacdid not lose his temper? He absolutely did, and for good reason. This Patrick guy needs his head checked. He's an insurance salesman (wow) telling an educated man with lots of high level political consultancy experience that he is naive! This Patrick is what we in Iran call tokhmeh sag!
Patrick is an idiot, blathering on about give weapons to Iranian people, as if they would form an army and march on majlis! You live in a Hollywood movie Patrick! Again, I refer you to what America was sanctioning Cuba for SIXTY YEARS and Castro NEVER FELL! Get help, Patrick Khan! More like ahmaq Khan!!!
Didn’t we use that same logic long ago with China? Saturate the country with capitalism and the communists regime will melt away. How’s that idea working now?
Since the first day I started following PBD I used to think of Patrick as an intelligent person. Sadly, this interview exposes that an intelligent person can become so stupid when his judgemental is clouded by sentiment of blanket hatred for a country hates so much.
Very often he is proven wrong on his opening statement with facts and interrupts alot when guests are smart when is his own right wing guests he let's them talk more
Of course, like all the other Americans, he’s being an American as well. I don’t think he knows much about Shahs Regime. If he did he wouldn’t be such a staunch supporter of Reza Shah.
This was great! I know very little to nothing about the history and current governmentql body of Iran and to hear two Iranian born men speak about the historical and current problems there has been enlightening. This is why I love PBD podcast! A very emotional but respectful debate. I know other Westerners feel the same especially when I say freedom and love to the people of Iran forever and ever✊
As a Venezuelan I empathize with the Iranian situation. It's frustrating to see that any effort by the international community only makes the regime stronger.
"Iternational Community" being a handful of Nations with no choice but to agree with the US and UK regimes, a handful out of 214 countries and territories. It's such a term of delusion.
It's not exactly like that.. In fact when talking UK and Russia you're talking about the one and only true conflict which has been constantly for about 2 centuries.. except for 4 occasions in which they made an alliance all of whom involves Iran at its center.. the WWI, WWII, Iran Nuclear Program and the 2020 events.. But you got one thing right which is that the US is the younger BIGGER brother of the UK
Not related to this video but since you're Venezuelan Ever watch the show Hunting Hitler on the history channel? Just got through watching 3 seasons and was surprised about how many Nazis ended up in Venezuela, Uruguay, and some other places in South America. As well as how many leaders supported them. It's even a possibility Hitler ended up there himself. Ever hear about any of that or know any Germans that their families came around the 1940s??? Also makes me wonder if that's why America was involved in coups in South America. That led to the governments being overthrown.
The more I watch Pbd the more I realize he has a simplistic understanding of most complicated topics. A lot of his guests spend their lives in a certain profession or engaged in a particular goal and pbd comes in arguing as though he knows better and almost always demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings of the given topics
the more i read libtard comments the more I reckognize the empty grandstanding and it always reminds me of the south park episode where kyle's family moves to san fransisco where they learn to love the smell of their own farts.
@@susanthejew6351 Whats wrong with u dude? Guy is expressing his opinion and you shoving your libtard bs. Life is not about Red vs Blue. Wake up and put yourself together.
I think you misunderstand PBD. He is very opinionated but I think he understands more than you give him credit for. He did not get to where he is by being a simpleton. I would suggest that he is trying to simplify the problem for the benefit of his audience.
agree. if he believes something emotionally, you can bring what ever facts you want, he will never budge. He did the same with the moon landing guest. he lives in his own bubble.
Worst I’ve seen… PBD let the guy finish his points. Argumentative, interrupting… Your emotions are too much for a logical conversation. You don’t need another Adam…
This Mr. Reza looks like he is high on something , my guy has illusion about Iran. This dude didn't live in Iran since 1979 Its like arguing with who's aggree with Flat earth theory.there is no point!!😅
Is there any time Patrick answer a question? This is a really good and respectful conversation, but could be more good if he understand people has other position or he can listen and understand the other position.
From what I see no. I don't understand how his podcast is popular. Interupting and calling his guest neive is a common theme from what i have seen., while being afraid to entrain ideas you disagree with.
Partrick, the Shah’s era is gone for long time ago. You’re absolutely right that the people of any country, including Iran, hold the ultimate authority to decide their political future. External opinions, while potentially supportive or insightful, cannot substitute the will and agency of those directly affected. Sustainable and legitimate change always stems from the choices and actions of the people within the nation. It’s a fundamental principle of self-determination. Very much appreciated your opinion but people in Iran are well educated and enough intelligent!
What a fun discussion to observe. Don’t know a ton about Iranian politics, but it’s a good thing they live in America and can discuss these things freely
16:00 “You are defending khomenei“ after 16 minutes of conversation Patrick shows that while Reza is talking he is not listening. During that he only prepares his next argument. 😂 what a joke
He was indirectly defending mullahs. Isnt it strange he is asking for a nuclear deal (giving mullahs billions) and less sanctions? He is a slimey puppet.
Exactly! Patrick is showing how emotional and delusional he is when it’s the U.S government (CIA) which overthrown the democratic elected president back in 1954 and installed the Shah who was an oppressive American PUPPET. The current Iran leaders are the RESULT of America’s FAILED foreign policies throughout the world. They create more problems than they actually solve.
Fascinating conversation Patrick. Thank you for bringing him on and having a civil conversation. Finally having two people who actually lived in Iran giving their opinions is such a fresh air. Most of the time we hear Americans or Israelis talking about it. Hearing both of your prospective was very refreshing. Keep the amazing work!
Patrick’s lack of college degree shows in this conversation. Reza’s point is pretty solid when he says equip Iran with free market. He has a great point.
As an Ethiopian, this reminds me of the conversations that the old heads have debating whether Haile Sellasie's Empire, Derg's socialist junta, or Woyane's "pluralistic democracy" were the best conditions of living. I love these type of conversations man. Whichever side you're on, you can't deny that these two love Iran very much just like those countless old heads I heard in these restaurants.
As an Ethiopian what is your opinion regarding these debates? If you had to decide which standard of living was better for those involved then who amongst the men you've stated was the most favored among the masses?
@@Caine_Murdered_Able i do like the debates, thats why i watch the channel But this debate is problematic First these guys have to decide,are they Iranians or are they Americans? after they figure it out, then their discussion has some meaning
Agreed. Just as I support the Chinese people, but certainly not their government. Same with the American people, and not the non-representative US government.
@@CashMoolah00 we are losing our own weapons at the moment why would we give them some? Also in a way the new 1.7 trillion deal gives some money to Irans government since some is being sent there for boarder protection or something if I recall right. This country is going to die off soon if we cannot fix our priorities quick.
It seems to me like it is the first time I have seen PBD lost his cool and not listen to someone. Big topic for Patrick and I 100% get it. But you both were talking alone at one point. Hope Iran will find a way to topple this hellbent regime.
Heard this exact same conversation since I was a kid. And I understand Reza being irritated and anxious, as someone wrote. Talking to someone who's not as bright as he think he is, is really tuff. Especially when that person dosen't bring any insight, facts or solutions to the table. Your intellect is not being entertained but your patience and mood is. ❤Aslan
@@KevinMartin-yy9wv He's not educated in the matter, or in general. He's not knowledgeable, he's not that bright. He paints pictures with broad strokes. Pictures based on fear and what ifs.. Which is a great recepie for extremism. That's what one should expect when knowledge is replaced with prejudice and bias. I belive he's views have partly been inherited by his parents/enviroment and partly are a result of indoctrination and trying to fit in with the strong, stupid, American government stance in the matter. It all boils down to ignorance.
Man i love how you use Farsi words ! I speak to my children the same way and this year for first time after 30 years I have one Persian student. I tell her one or two Farsi word between our conversations and it just makes my day❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
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This reminds me of when I was younger and my uncles and father used to debate after having an amazing day. They'd then hug and kiss eachother while leaving and repeat next week 😂
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 . NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
@@matthewmiri I remember they'd start swearing and shouting as if they were going to get into a fist fight but then when they tea arrives they'd calm down 😂
The 150 billion should have been distributed among people directly by the US government in the form of zero interest loans. This would have made Reza's argument valid!
I love PBD, and do not understanding politics in Iran, but I think in this case PBD let his emotions get the best of him. Even though Reza is more animated, his points make more sense and PBD didn’t have a strong rebuttal so he just keeps going back to the money even though Reza said multiple times that the money was never meant to go to the people. Very interesting conversation for sure.
you are absolutely right. personally PBD comes across a bit too woke.. PBD: "So you support negotiating with a nation that hates america?" Reza:" we dont negotiate with country that just love us we negotiate with everyone"
I LOVE how you both can discuss your differences, agree with each other and disagree with each other without calling each other names!! This was a such a healthy discussion and my favorite podcast is yours Patrick!!
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In this case, PBD was schooled by Reza. He couldn’t comprehend Reza’s argument that the free market will give access to the people of Iran and the sanctions is killing the people of Iran!
I agree 100% ... we just got back from visiting Iran. From speaking to common people of different backgrounds, I feel the people would be a lot happier and self-sufficient if they had access to the free market. Regardless of the government, people just want to live. America does not care about THE PEOPLE, the sanctions are hurting THE PEOPLE. With America, it's always about self-interests.
@@davidchang5265sure you may be right! But, sanctions are not helping the people either. The sanctions ought to end. But it won’t because the powers that be do not care about the people.
@@davidchang5265 and how is sanction gonna help the people? Just look at the history of the US in the international stage, u can’t be serious if you think the US cares about the people of these other countries. They want control and they will get it at all cost, as history has proven.
Patrick, as an Iranian, it's important that we have diverse perspectives. We can disagree and still coexist peacefully. There's a spectrum of Iranian viewpoints, from those similar to yours to those aligned with organizations like NIAC, and even those with ideas like the Iranian regime. By engaging in open dialogue and tolerating different opinions, we can foster growth and progress.
Pray for your own country lol usa is not a utopia. People killing one another, the cops and government. I bet you dont pray for palestine either cause u know nothing about that situation either.
@@shirok124 I’m not from the USA. From the U.K. I do pray for my own country, USA too. We’ll highlighted on Palestine. I’ll lift them upwards too. Have a good day 😊
I’m no blind supporter of the current Iranian government but Pat doesn’t really understand the situation, he has an illogical, pro western view of Iran that has no basis in reality. He has this romantic view of the shah. I remember in another interview he got mad when the shah was referred to as a “dictator”. Pat is ridiculous
@@JohnDoeX1966yes that's exactly it Patrick is looking from the Western point of view and he wants the west to succeed he does not want the best for Iranian people
I am not Iranian but as Indian expat born in Asia and raised in England it is so beautiful to hear PBD say he would love to take his kids there one day. My Persian friends in NYC do not feel any attachment to their motherland. Whatever was lost in their transition from Iran to the USA it’s sad to see some won’t have any affiliation to their country’s
Maybe they consider themselves Americans now. My ancestors came from Scotland. I am an American. Not a RIDICULOUS hyphenated version. I would like to visit maybe someday. But is the motherland to me & mine. A big NO
The ones with affiliation are the ones we need to worry about..... You legally immigrate to a country and become a citizen then you need to assimilate. Like Lonnie said, no room for hyphenation.
That’s because the “Persians” living outside of Iran are they only Iranians who want no affiliation with their government. The majority of irans love their government and don’t want to live abroad. Apply 1% of your brains capacity
Yeah, that question was a bit absurd. I usually end up agreeing with PBD, but I honestly felt like he didn't do well in this one episode, and that was my "hol' up" moment with him
You must be a true patriotic Iranian to understand Patrick is a true one! if he gets heated on a topic it comes from his pure love for Iran and I have a mad respect for him to be so
It is insane how it took just one chat to expose how ignorantly arrogant, extreemly biased and disturbingly chauvinist Patrik is. I had lots of respect to him prior to watching this video.. Ps: I am not Iranian and judging solely based on his reactions here...
in this interview I noticed that Patrick is not that sharp. You can tell his lack of deep thinking on this topic. He can't surpass layer 2 and I think him not having studied anything is the reason for it.
I'm from there, and I can guarantee it with my life that Patrick is right. What Aslan is saying sounds good but, in actuality, strengthens and enriches the regime. A lot of people like Aslan are puppets and useful idiots of the Islamic Republic.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Reza. This was a bad question. PBD - "You're going to get murdered today, do you want to get shot or stabbed". Reza pointing out both are bad.
Probably shot, more likely to have a more peaceful death than stab wound. You can acknowledge both is bad but prefer one over the other. I don’t know anything about this issue but love a good debate. Pat is usually right about most things ngl, Reza I never used to agree with but I’m being fair here. There can be an answer even if you acknowledge bad on both sides
That’s because Reza is equating the shah as being equivalent to khomeini which is pure dishonesty. The shah held back when it came to executions and voluntarily stepped down. However Khomeini and khamenei have killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians and made living in Iran a hell. In the 60’s-70’s Iran was one of the fastest growing economies in the world and was a place many wanted to be. It’s completely insane to just say “they’re both as bad as each other because they’re dictators” when one is clearly better than the other and we have praised many kings before.
Love u bro but u gotta let this man answer how he pleases whether yall r on the same page or not, dont guiderail his answers thats not right... Allow his answers to be what they may.
The subtext is that Reza had collaborated with a terrorist organization. He did take blood money and did support policies that strengthen this regime but was expertly deflecting from the darker results of his actions and expertly framed each question so that his stance look reasonable. For example, Reza worked for the propaganda arm of the Iranian government, but we shouldn't view it as supporting terrorists, bc he works for a lot of ppl as an expert on religion... Get it? Doing PR for terrorists is all right if you have a Ph.D.!
@@Ko0okieeZ It is true. The UK is preparing to formally declare that Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) is a terrorist organization. The US did it in '19! The army of the state is a terrorist organization! Obviously the army serves the regime! Reza Aslan worked for NIAC, a propaganda organization of the same terrorist regime! He is a collaborator, he did helped the regime to get some 150 miliard $s... maaaaaaybe he was naiv! But he is Iranian, he must have known what kind of ppl he is promoting! And these guys are leaning in hard into the comic book super villain role! Look up #WomenLifeFreedom! Absolutelly disgusting how the regime treats the ppl of Iran! Whatever atrocities you can imagine armed forces can commit against civilians multiply it by a hundred. I mean an 8 year old child was shot dead on the street for chanting protest slogans! Raping teenagers before execution, burning political prisoners, shelling cities, just the last few months! And ofc they are selling drones to russia, they are sponsoring anti US, anti Isrrael terrorists, and try to be a pain in everybodies ass. All in the name of Islam, while the actual elite lives luxuriously in the west! As if they went after every badguy badge imaginable! Once you read up on it it becomes harder and harder to imagine that such a smart guy believed diplomacy is an option with these goons!
First I´m seeing this and it's a year old... It´s interesting to hear two ethnic Iranians that still have emotional ties to Iran verbally duke it out. Loved it!
I love how the love for your home country comes through. I can tell you both love your home country especially when you guys talked about going back with your kids one day. Also your line “you can’t be that naive, you have 4 degrees, I have none” 😂😂😂 I really felt this one!!! Haha
Patrick missed the point that Reza was making about stimulating the Iranian economy and how that would help the Iranian people. This would empower the people of Iran to push for change. Patrick seems to be lost in his hatred on the current Iranian regime and his love for the United States of America.
@@DanReh thank you for your insight. I saw that too. But my interpretation of what Pat was saying is that he wanted to know how the money would get into the hands of the people. Because what it sounds like is, it has to go through the corruption of the Iranian regime and the money would not go to the people. That’s just my take on this conversation (video clip). I am definitely not educated on the history of politics in these countries. 😊
@@DanReh also just curious…what Rez is suggesting for the Iranian people, is that the same strategy the US tried to do for Afghanistan and it’s people before we exited a couple years ago?
@@Candice-Tara The strategy in Afghanistan was invasion through military force. We are not talking about military invasion here. So, it’s not the same strategy as Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was a disaster on many levels but I digress. What Reza is doing in this video is defending the JCPOA, which is the Iran Nuclear Deal under the Obama administration. Reza argues that removing sanctions from Iran is a good idea because it allows for policies that lead to the economic liberalization of Iran. I’ll give you a quick example. One of the items that is currently banned under the sanctions on Iran are carpets. So, if you are a carpet maker in Iran, you cannot sell your carpets internationally. You are cut off from the international market place. All sanctions do is hurt the Iranian people, not the government. The government is able to make money though black markets. Now the government is more powerful and the people are less powerful. It’s become almost impossible for Iranians to rise up against the government. Reza makes the point that 45 years of sanctions has made the people poor and the government rich. The policy of blanket sanctioning Iran doesn’t work. Removing sanctions gives the Iranian people access to the international market place, which leads to economic liberalization. The Iranian people start becoming powerful because they are making money and gaining capital. Patrick keeps arguing the money doesn’t go to the people. But it’s does, through these economic policies. However, these same policies also benefit the Iranian government. Patrick is completely blinded by his hate of the Iranian regime and he doesn’t see the big picture. He is complete caught up in the 150 billion dollars (which is part of the JCPOA deal, and is money that belongs to Iran anyways) going to the Iranian regime. He just doesn't seem to understand that Iran would have to pursue economic policies that would benefit the Iranian people. His "brilliant" idea having the US government stage a coup. This is nuts and will get a lot of innocent people killed.
And then there’s me who has never heard of any of these guys just watching them discuss something I have no clue on, but PBD is such a good conversationist that I still find value in it haha
Love seeing discussions like this. I see no bad blood, just a passions conversation. Both people wanting the same thing, but have different ways about it.
THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SHOULD BE A FORMAT JUST LIKE THIS !!! ID LOVE TO SEE PATRICK AND PBD HOST SUCH AN EVENT !!
You need to ask Reza the same questions now. The 150B given to Iran did not go to Iranian and was used to support Hamas, killing thousands of people. That a shame.
As someone who knows very little about Iran, even I could tell that PBD was being quite dogmatic and himself the naive one but props to both for civil conversation.
The question before all these arguments should have been: Based on the history written & told by the Ministers, Ambassadors, close family members & Historians: Who brought in, controlled, and removed Pahlavi dynasty; 3 times? (& even the present government!) And Why?
Like it or not , you are the Iranians the average American connects with the most. Please continue this dialogue!!! We need more and more of this !! Thank you
I agree.. Pat was lowkey the same as those he claimed are happy with the tension in the region. He acts like he cares about the Iranians then proceeds to say send weapons. So to him, I'll say this.. Listen, big boy.. Syria is your most recent example as well as Libya. How did that turn out? Assad is still there and only the people have suffered deaths and injuries while the regime remained intact. In Libya? Qaddafi died but now they have rogue militias and literal human slave markets. Don't sit there and try to fool the average Joe that that is your first solution ffs. And I'm middle eastern, and I'm telling you this as you sit on your high horse talking about weapons this revolution that. If your government dared to send us weapons, the people would not be on your side regardless of their stance with there regime. Ask Iraq too. But hey, typical hardcore capitalist who finds virtue in imperialism. I'm not surprised. And you dare talk about "naive" while you ignore recent events.
@@popo12920 it was not, don't rewrite history. Shah's crimes cannot be hidden despite him having the duplicitous media's backing. The current gov't of Iran cannot be cleanly analyzed because of all the propaganda from Shah-leaning outlets.
It was obvious he would say send weapons. That’s when we know who is who as Iranians. Sending weapons while collectively punishing everyone is literally what Irans enemies like Israel and Saudi Arabia want. He basically offered the Bolton/Pomeo plan for Iran which is the same as Syria. To weaken and destroy the nation as a whole.
Reza should have said that the United States has no other option but pay Iran to discontinue its nuclear program that's it, there saved you 30 minutes.
How can you learn from Pat when he skipped on entire 1953 Operation Ajax and backing of Shah and Saddam by USA and UK AGAINST IRAN. causing deaths of over 1 million people.
I love this guest. He's knowledgeable and bright n has a great grasp of the FACTS.He is so entertaining and engaging. Soooo refreshing. I'm thinking of buying "An American Martyr in Persia" . "Make America Great, Again" ....Persian-style lol
As an Iranian-American, this is literally the debate my uncles have had my whole life. This is thanksgiving dinner for us. It never ends.
Do they ever mention how the British and Americans overthrew Mosadek, installed the Shaw, and started this whole thing.
@@goldentaco4970 all day everyday
@@ahpacific lol
@@ahpacificare you Muslim ?? 🤔
@user-dr1dh3tq4o No, I'm a Decepticon.
As an Iranian I love seeing two Iranians with totally opposing views and high levels of passion debate without getting bitter. Props for remaining gentlemen
Brother the Iranian people and culture are misrepresented by this ugly regime!
And high levels of intelligence. I learned a lot about Iran and have a whole lot more respect for these people. We need more of this
I don't know how gentleman they are when one was yells out f bombs everytime he hears something he dosent like
No wonder you get to put the first comment here .
As an Iranian. Patrick embarrased himself
I don’t always agree with PBD but what I love about him is he brings on guests that have opposite beliefs of what he believes in. He definitely believes in freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
He was tiring with the constant interruptions and needless argument repetitions though
@@89strangelove he’s from Iran. He’s passionate. If anything that guy was rude dropping f bombs every other sentence.
Why is that bad, as long as he can argue properly for what he thinks it's fine.
His stands on the murderous regime of the shah being better than the murderous regime of the mullahs was truly aweful. It's so unfortunate that some folks keep grasping for a facade that is nostalgia for the past instead of moving forward and plea for true democracy and freedom. There is literally NO room for monarchy in the POLITICAL realm. Why does he even care?? It's done and over with, get over it. He's a Pahlavist as Reza said, I have no respect for that political affiliation one bit, it truly shows a stunt in your political understanding and development and honestly makes me doubt the intelligence of anyone who still fights for the reputation/legitimacy of a monarchy in this day and age.
He served in the American military and is American and patriotic
Iranians are really intelligent and passionate and they are real good friends to have.. greetings to all my iranian brothers from Tunisia
Well nice to pat yourself on back
Love to see two guys who completely disagree able to discuss something and strive to find common ground. The world needs more conversations like this
Yes NORMAL
It happens all the time, you just need to turn off Fox, CNN and MSNBC
😮 I just said the same thing I love Mr Pat
Fully agree brother. This is the only path forward for us. Even if we only find common ground on the ends, but not the means, is a great place to start. We should celebrate that and emphasize that.
Everybody says this same comment when they like someone 😂. This is normal . How do u discuss something with someone u disagree with?
this conversation went word for word 100% the same way two cubans who get together talk about cuba. Reminds me of hearing my stepdad talk about cuba all the time. In both countries nothing has changed since I've been born.
Same with Chinese families too! Holy moly every family gathering that turns political about the “old country” always results in a shitshow, none of these countries deserve the ‘leaders’ who are running them to the ground
But why is it? Within a mix of so many subjects is one because the American government don't want Iran to level back up?
Except they can’t have that conversation in Cuba, just like these two couldn’t have it in Iran. That’s what makes America great
@@ThawhidIran Fucked Over Iran
Those Cubans sound pretty tame. My family is completely nuts. They escalate everything, and volume makes the point more valid.
Patrick David was showing a lot of emotion on this interview on Iran.
Nah this just how uncles argue
Maybe 5% more emotion, dude the control he has on if you think about how attached to this he is personally. I know for a fact I couldn’t stay that composed and I believe I’m fairly emotionally controlled. I looked up to him, nothing more emotionally taxing to these two guys. Regardless what you believe they are both real men, respect to both ❤❤❤❤❤ nothing but love the world needs more of this then ever.
PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.
Patrick only understands Patrick. Everyone else is naive. Got it. He plays a good character tho... Made him money.
The guy hates iran
I respect how Pat can debate with class without using profanity.
Yeah…except when hes about to lose an argument he instantly resorts to
“you have to be naive to believe that!!?
Pat has never admitted to being wrong, simply wont happen
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vhI'll take Pat's argument style over Reza's effeminate screaming.
@@jtstevenson81 im sure you would. Because how else will you counter logic? By arguing and dancing around it without addressing directly.
Youre in denial
@@Abdulrahman-gj5vh Reza didn't make a single logical point the entire time. PBD called him naive because he equated the two sides of being equally murderous regimes. It's a popular refrain on the Left, because you guys love making excuses for criminals.
Reza and his ilk are far left douches.
He’s amazing,no doubt about that.
As an Iranian, I truly appreciate you putting this up Patrick!
As a Cuban American, so do I. This is a very familiar conversation. Batista vs Castro. Approach with isolationism or diplomacy.
the example of not letting iran get nuclear weapon is like of castrating a man, all so that Israel can go rampage in the middle east without fearing any threat, because the n°1 military in the world has it's back so it can win any NON nuclear war, at the end it's all about who have the biggest gun, it's an existential threat
Sina Nabilou I'm guessing your Christian Iranian?
Is Reza a good representer of the Iranian people with all these opinions he's saying?
@@Omar-jy1gr absolutely. Unfortunately there is a group like PBD who white-wash the past and are stuck in a "lost era" which never existed anyway. They are the pahlavists and will die defending the reputation/legitimacy of a family whose name doesnt belong in the political conversation of this day and age. Majority of the people would agree with Reza on this. I'd say max 20% PBD (being generous), 70% Reza, and 10% who are still affiliated with the regime and would like to see both men dead lol.
This is why PBD is one of the best! He constantly brings on people who disagree with him or have different opinions which is what we need! Keep doing what you do PBD don't change
You were watching a different debate. Patrick was way out his depth.
@@lescarman6580 This wasn't a debate. It was an interview.
and those generations born pre 1990 needed to be doing what we are doing now, which is uniting and not complaining about minimum wage trying to afford a $1.2M house while driving a tesla hahaha
@@lescarman6580
you're siding with a guy arguing like an undeveloped 8th grader.
@@bigtechnazis3554your hero pbd is a paper thin debater… 8th grade is at least funny. pbd is maddeningly sophomoric leading his guests down the primrose path.. he only wants to get to a preconceived narrative agreed on far in advance. it’s clumsy at best. no one pbd has on his show are blown away by his brilliance.. it’s more like 🙄 wtf… you’re desperate. can I help you get to the place you’re trying to get?
I love when Pat doesn’t use “F” words, that means he is confident. Thank you for being a Gentleman you are.
lol yeah that's how you win debates by not using the "F word" wow what a criteria you can't debate against that
Be an adult. The F word is just another word. This isnt the 1st grade.
He lied about the Shah and spreads propaganda about the JCPOA. You're OK with that, but not OK with using the F word?
These political pundits come across so much better when they are given time to express their views accurately in a podcast.
I totally agree
Every Iranian has been unwillingly witness to this debate after dinner at a family gatherings. I feel I'm there in the studio 😂
My family comes from a long line of Persians dating back hundreds of generations. Long Live Iran 🇮🇷
Let's cut the shit
The Islamic Republic and the US government will never ever have peace
The Iran deal just bought some time
The Trump admin just went back to the basic game play. Sanctions sanctions sanctions and more sanctions.
Sounds like a damned if you do, damned if you don't debate. Do they know this?
If this topic interests you not and you were "unwillingly" witnessing it, then no offense, but you are part of the problem. It is this attitude that has kept us basically abused daily by this regime and we say nothing. You just wanna eat food and dance and not deal with anything of importance or conflict. I don't mean offend to you personally but to not even have interest in the conversation is really bad bro.
@@amireghbal9892 not every after dinner uncle debate is informative. Most of the times people disagree just to disagree. Also, I want you to look at just the past 5 years of protests and struggles of the Iranian people in iran and around the world, the people who got jailed, tortured, and executed because of their opposition and tell me again that “we say nothing.” If all of that is nothing to you I don know what is.
This is an example of when you are so emotionally entrenched, common-sense goes out of the window. I believe PBD will look back at this exchange with a lot of lessons learned.
Exactly! I can’t believe how DELUSIONAL pbd take was on this topic. The sheer hypocrisy and weak straw man tactics he used was downright clownish.
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 why are you copy and pasting this on all the comments?😂😂 Reza wants to give the mullahs billions and call it a nuclear deal. You think its a coincidence reza is saying the exact same thing the mullahs are?
@@popo12920 HAHAHA Why are you getting triggered because your delusional lies and hypocrisy is easily exposed. You think the U.S government using the CIA terrorist agents to overthrow Iran elected president back in 1954 didn’t have unintended consequences? Everyone knows the real THREAT to humanity is America which promotes SATANIC genderless pronounce in order to corrupt the youth of the world just as they’ve corrupted their own.
Get over your feelings and deal with historical facts imbecile ;)
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 relax 😂😂 im well aware of the western demonic shit, but you do know it was the west that got rid of the shah right? You think France is giving away private jets to anyone that asks? Shah was getting too powerful but dictatorships dont work regardless because the next guy can always turn out to be a piece of shit. You muslims make me laugh you think its either western degeneracy or muslim fundamentalism 😂😂😂
@@popo12920 The west were the ones who FIRST installed the Shah which is a fact. Also, the west has become so DELUSIONAL and degeneracy is so rampant that you actually believe “fundamentalism” against Muslims. That’s actually hilarious. I guarantee you within a decade the west will call any man or a woman who views a real family is build on between a man and woman will be called “fundamentalist.”
So laugh now, cry later. Muslims don’t tolerate the degeneracy that you’ve tolerated for decades and now is castrating your basic manhood. Stop lying to yourself for once and stop using brainwashed talking points against Muslims.
Take care.
Patrick speaks out of emotions while Reza speaks facts. Both the Shah and current regime was/is based on dictatorship and any critisim was met with severe punishment. Now the argument Reza is making is both regimes were bad while Patrick indirectly saying he would pick the lesser of 2 evils because he personally experienced the treatment under the current regime as he was too young to young to understand what went on during the Shahs regime.
Pat is a true debater without using vulgar words
Love conversations like this. Im not sure he was expecting this type of interview, but it had to be done. If politicians talked like this, we’d find out alot. Great work
I don't think I have ever seen Patrick this passionate..... I loved it.
Yea but Patrick didn't listen to this dude at all. He was trying to make him pick a side and this dude thinking outside the matrix....he's saying not to pick any side bc is all corrupt
@@albertorynda740 Patrick sounded like a fucking fool he was all over the place
@@blackalgorithmist000 yea I was disappointed on how he approached this 🤦🏽♂️
Patrick was all feelings and little facts. You would think he would have a nuanced appreciation of US-IRAN relation. He sounds like a Lindsay graham, or another chicken hawk. His main argument is they-the Iranian regime ‘hates’ us and they said death to America. So we make policies based on political sloganeering. What a simpleton
“You negotiate with countries that disagree with us”
The sign of a wise mind
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations
Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 .
NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
It’s not disagreeing they wanted you dead
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 I share your views 100%. Sad that many Iranians abroad are living in a fantasy world.
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 for every sheep like you we need a sheppard of course.
you negotiate from positions of strength. the Iranian nuclear deal had a time constraint, it was betting that if iran was allowed in the global economy for like 15 years, they would not want to pursue a nuclear weapon at the end- guess what, this "liberalization in the global economy" shcikt died with china's persistence as a dictatorship
When an intellectual debates an "influencer" the gap is huge. It was fun to watch this.
which one of the influencers was the one just blindly shipping weapons to a country filled with poor people and terrorists? lmao.
We need more like this. Civilized conversation that are actually listening. Not hitting walls a real interest in moving forward in finding common ground and building on it without losing the beauty of its culture.
Look how nervous Rezlan is ! Wrapping the cord around his finger
@@scundoorsup5342 I think that's anxiety, having to deal with a non-intellectual
That guy more loyal iran than usa
As an iranian living in iran let me make something clear. Reza says that the lifting of sanctions will free iranian market and people will benefit from it. I have to disagree you see PBD says you are naive to belive that because the market already belongs fully to the government they control everything for example importing cars have been banned from 2017 or around that time i belive. And we had acces to europian cars and japanese cars and others on the free market with a lot more capabillty of affording the cars. Now 90% of the cars are iranian cars that were bad before but as the time goes they only go down in quality. And chinese cars. We have internet we can see car prices of dubai and masqat and compare it to price in iran and you can check it yourself its about 10 times more expensive than arabs why? Because the government banned cars and closed the car industry for the benefit of iranian companies and the higher ups.
My point is we have a closed economy not because the US sanctions us but because the government itself has a monopoly in iranian market right now and reza acknowledge this fact and still belives that the lifting of sanctions will free iranian markets.
I love how Patrick gives Reza only two options for which regime he prefers… but then gives himself THREE options in terms of the nuclear deal.
Hes always fishing like that
Because Patrick thinks the Iranian are too dumb to have a democratic Govt as option 3.
Exactly, I was crying out for Reza to restrict him to the two options he proposed just as Patrick had insisted on!
PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.
Idk wtf is going on but I love a good argument lmao. Kinda like watching my uncles argue at a party 🥳
well...lol..at least you are honest.....this conversation is super important.. so Imagine that Iran is a student who has been accused of cheating on a test. The other countries in the world are the teachers who are concerned about the student's behavior and want to make sure that he is not cheating in the future. To ensure that the student(Iran) is not cheating, the teachers agrees to give the student a series of extra assignments and to watch him closely while he completes the assignments. In return, the teachers agrees to give the student a good grade, not to punish him for past misbehavior, and to give him some extra money.
This is similar to the way that the Iran nuclear deal worked, with the international community imposing restrictions on Iran's nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions and the release of Iranian funds that had been frozen overseas.. ::PBD:: believes giving money to the parent (government) is not the way to solve the problem cause he argue the parent are corrupt and they dont care for their kid..... ::REZA:: argues that there are reliable systems in place that will make sure the parent will give the money to the student (government to the people)..but they both agree that are no safe way to give the money directly to the student -- TEACHERS(USA) STUDENT(IRAN PEOPLE)
Israel has probably the best intelligence agency in the world, especially on Iran. If Israel said Iran is still working on Nukes their are only two possibilities Iran was still working on nukes or Israel was engaged in a misinformation campaign. One thing for sure is that Israel knows whether Iran is working on nukes or not.
Your uncle's also curse every 2 minutes?
@Wheels and the Legman and how about the heinas?
Another ignorant American
13:51 Surprised to see Patrick playing chequers whilst Reza is playing chess. Pat is usually so level headed. Obviously not regarding Iran!
@Regis Johnson you are aware the nuclear deal was solely founded on the hope (lol) that a country that kill women for not wearing a burka corrrectly would liberalize and not want a nuclear weapon after like 15 years of trade and exposure to western media.
The deal was not in perpetuity, it had an end date, at this end date Iran would have more money, knowledge, and scientist - after china failed to liberalize, you are really saying a further extreme Iran would do so in less time?
@TechDeck your comment got blocked by YT, I can see it though. You’re absolutely spot on!
He's a featherweight ,he knows nothing about the history of things ,i mean basic historical facts you get from reading ..
@Regis Johnson believe me, I know sanctions do not work. And neither will “liberalization” (most societies view the west as decadence and collapsing)
There are two options, either “we” (the United States military) make it so they are not nuclearly armed, or we allow the leaders of the nation to pursue what they deem is correct and hope that mutual assured destruction still works (as it has for 70 years)
I am in the latter camp
Patrick isnt even Persian, hes assyrian. Iran isnt even his country.
Pbd honestly does try to put words in peoples mouth and say he caught them slipping. That shit gets old, I’ve seen it now with multiple guests.
that guy is one of the most stupid people to ever grace the podcast world
It's as if PBD hears what he assumes someone is saying, rather than listening to someone's words and understanding what they are actually saying.
Yes he is very much like that
Or a person could just say you have to chose lesser evil vs greater evil and you cant say you wont chose none... aint hard is it.
hs forming his argument to rebut the guest - did it way worse with David Pakman
As an IranianI I find it interesting that both of these guys have left Iran many years ago when they were only a kid and when the population of the country was 1/3 of what it is now. Lower poulation always means more facility richer people, less problems etc. For example we only have almost ten million Afghan refugees living in the country so the situation is very different from what they have in their minds. By the way I find Reza more reasonable in this debate. The problem with PBD is he thinks very idealistic and he forgets the fact that the country is heavily surrounded by Isis, Taliban, Al Qaeda etc. Any revolution or instability of the country can lead to a HUGE disaster for ordinary people. These terrorist groups did not exist when he left Iran and the situation was totally different. Also he thinks only the Clergies(Akhounds) in Iran are morons and deceitful and the American politicians are Saints and honestly I dont think so.
I agree with you fully!
Where I lost respect for PBD, was when he pleaded to the Israeli government to start flooding Iran with weapons about a year ago during the protests. It’s not like he hasn’t seen what happened to Lydia and Syria. What he proposed would lead to millions of deaths and I’d never forgive him for that absolutely stupid plea!
So there.
You don't have sympathy that he lives and works in a slave state of the jews, and he works in a jew-dominated biz?
Patrick is an instigator, he not only "Capitalist", he is an Imperialist as well. The USA, Britain destroyed Iran is the early days, Iran does not have a history within the past 200 hundred years to be sailing or riding across the world, enslaving people, committing genocide, annihilations, assassinating leaders, overthrowing administrations, stealing resources and filing their greedy pockets etc. The Shah is no one to speak of. Had not for the West, they would not be having this discussion. Patrick has no standing in opposition of Iran, or support for the USA, his position bias and hypocritically misplaced. The Nuclear programme, Iraq and Libya are good reasons why N. Korea hold on to their weapons because, if they destroy them, NATO will be at their doors.
@@eddiedehkordi4639 Really when did he do that?
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo The very first few weeks of the unrests last year.
I listened to his program and I couldn’t believe my ears. Lost all respect.
Hell of a conversation. Very informative and entertaining debate. This was 10/10 for my lunch break
Yup. Not one attack on each other’s character or name calling. I love the nuance
Research the Hashashin/Assassin's.
The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's.
They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders.
The Iranian/Persian have ties to the Shia (Fake Muslim) Assassin's.
Don't let them deceive you.
It's not 10/10. Wow we are losing intellect. Patrick is not smart
Patrick actually messes this up, he’s not the smartest tool. It’s frustrating, could’ve been great.
Only Reza's thoughts were informative. Half a day of his life, wasted on talking to PBD but at least the people who follow PBD got to hear a smart guy explain foreign policy as regards Iran, for a change.
This was a masterclass in respectfully debating passionately from opposing viewpoints
I’m pretty sure my new favorite pastime is hearing two Iranians passionately arguing😂
It's interesting how much religion is part of the argument.
It's supposed to be about human interest.
@@ALCRAN2010 Nothing will change. It's a great intellectual exercise to consider empty possibilities.
@@ALCRAN2010
There was no discussion about religion.
@@ALCRAN2010 that's what religion is!!! The churches run the world in health care in complimentary gifts of money and health and wealth and everything from morals , integrity , values, etc... ways of life Etc.......Etc..etc
@@ALCRAN2010Islam is in decline by a massive amount in Iran. Christianity, atheism, and Zoroastrianism is growing. Whether thats good or bad depends on the person, it seems have an Islamic government isn't actually good for Islam in the modern world.
About 18 years ago, traveling from Brasil, Rio de Janeiro, to NYC, sitting next to me was a Iranian young man, 26 Years old. When the airplane was flying and the mountains apear on the window, I notice his sadness. We started a conversation and he sad to me that those mountains remind him of Iran. ...that he missed his Country but he new he would never go back because of the Government. He was the only one that survive from his family. His father, Mother and two sister die during the time they were leaving.
I always pray for him.
I believe he is safe and probably had great opportunities here.
God bless!
You are praying for pagan whos family went against people who follow God???
@@keksi6844🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@keksi6844how is he a pagan ?????
@@keksi6844Is it not the sick who need a doctor?
Neither of you can speak on behalf of Iran. The current government would have been able to accomplish significant improvements for its people if the sanctions were lifted. When individuals are provided with opportunities, true freedom can be achieved.
As a viewer from Samoa🇼🇸 I’m a massive fan of Patrick and what he’s doing to the MSM…I know alot about whats happening in the world from PBD podcast.
FYI, in this debate I am impressed how composed Pat is and the other guy was getting frustrated to the point he was swearing alot😂
To be fair Patrick was putting word in his mouth when the guy refused to choose the previous (slightly less murders) regim over current ( murders) regim and said neither .
You mean FSM?
Kefe
But if you truly understand the history of the Iranian Revolution you would be very frustrated at PBD too and I actually commend Reza for being almost saint-like here with his patience in even being able to speak and explain his rebuttals and reasoning to PBD....As a viewer viewing this painful debate I'd wish I can reach my hand into the monitor and choke some damned reason and reality into PBD.
We’ll as an Iranian I can tell you the other guy grasps the issues in Iran much better. Pat is off
Iran is the only country were kurds , turks , persians and armenians all peacefully unite !
Don't forget about Lors , Balouchs, Gilaks, Torkamans, Laks, Arabs, Jews and Parsis which all together are the Persians.
In which regime!?
@@be4014 the regime sucks , I never said it is good
I'm Swedish and I've been to many Muslim countries. I have met NOTHING but great people. I can understand that both in Christianity and Muslims there are people who are bad, but I've had nothing but good encounters.
If you mean Iran as a Muslim country, for westerns who don't know anything outside of Europe or America, Iran is Islamic country but not a single Islamic country consider Iran as a Islamic nation, you know what they call Iranians ? "Shias" or " fire worshipers" because of ancient Iranian religion was "Zartosht", Iranians consider themselves as Iranians not Muslims.
You’re always welcome, bro.
Es ssalam alaikum ❤️
@@Iamthatgoy Thank you my friend! I'm going to Dubai in April again and I am as always looking forward to it!
@@Patriot12985nobody says that, stop lying and iranians are muslims, yes there are a large number of iranians who are secularists but still people are muslims so don’t lie
@@pingpong1465 no, iranians are mostly atheist
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People believe their currency has the worth it does because they have no other options. Even in a hyper-inflationary environment , individuals must continue to use their hyper-inflationary currency since they likely have minimal access to other currencies or gold /silver coins.
How can I reach out to this coach? Because I’m seeking for a more effective investment approach how good is this person at portfolio diversification, particularly with regards to digital assets?
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I love it! Two grown men talking, disagreeing passionately and fearlessly and without losing their temper! Both are gentleman of the first degree! It's been a long time fellows. Thank you. I thought you and those like you, except for me of course, had moved back to mars.
Your telling me you think Rezacdid not lose his temper? He absolutely did, and for good reason. This Patrick guy needs his head checked. He's an insurance salesman (wow) telling an educated man with lots of high level political consultancy experience that he is naive! This Patrick is what we in Iran call tokhmeh sag!
Patrick is an idiot, blathering on about give weapons to Iranian people, as if they would form an army and march on majlis! You live in a Hollywood movie Patrick! Again, I refer you to what America was sanctioning Cuba for SIXTY YEARS and Castro NEVER FELL! Get help, Patrick Khan! More like ahmaq Khan!!!
Didn’t we use that same logic long ago with China? Saturate the country with capitalism and the communists regime will melt away. How’s that idea working now?
5:44. 7:15
"Breaking bad! Foul mouthed parrot banned....."
You sure you aren't still there!? They very well did lose their cool, MARTIAN.
Since the first day I started following PBD I used to think of Patrick as an intelligent person. Sadly, this interview exposes that an intelligent person can become so stupid when his judgemental is clouded by sentiment of blanket hatred for a country hates so much.
Very often he is proven wrong on his opening statement with facts and interrupts alot when guests are smart when is his own right wing guests he let's them talk more
Doesn't he looks like reza shah 😄
Of course, like all the other Americans, he’s being an American as well. I don’t think he knows much about Shahs Regime. If he did he wouldn’t be such a staunch supporter of Reza Shah.
This was great! I know very little to nothing about the history and current governmentql body of Iran and to hear two Iranian born men speak about the historical and current problems there has been enlightening. This is why I love PBD podcast! A very emotional but respectful debate. I know other Westerners feel the same especially when I say freedom and love to the people of Iran forever and ever✊
PBD is as clueless as any American about foreign affairs!
@@fwfeohow so?
@@Stevewatson3simply because he disagrees, nothing factual. 😂
This guy dropping his f bombs trying to seem tough 😂
Aslan works with NIAC ( LOBBIEST FOR TYRANNICAL REGIME ) shed on that guy , he is hated by our people
As a Venezuelan I empathize with the Iranian situation. It's frustrating to see that any effort by the international community only makes the regime stronger.
"Iternational Community" being a handful of Nations with no choice but to agree with the US and UK regimes, a handful out of 214 countries and territories. It's such a term of delusion.
It's because they're designed that way..
It's not exactly like that.. In fact when talking UK and Russia you're talking about the one and only true conflict which has been constantly for about 2 centuries.. except for 4 occasions in which they made an alliance all of whom involves Iran at its center.. the WWI, WWII, Iran Nuclear Program and the 2020 events..
But you got one thing right which is that the US is the younger BIGGER brother of the UK
The $150B was to provide the regime with immunity against an upcoming Trump administration...
Not related to this video but since you're Venezuelan Ever watch the show Hunting Hitler on the history channel? Just got through watching 3 seasons and was surprised about how many Nazis ended up in Venezuela, Uruguay, and some other places in South America. As well as how many leaders supported them. It's even a possibility Hitler ended up there himself. Ever hear about any of that or know any Germans that their families came around the 1940s??? Also makes me wonder if that's why America was involved in coups in South America. That led to the governments being overthrown.
The more I watch Pbd the more I realize he has a simplistic understanding of most complicated topics. A lot of his guests spend their lives in a certain profession or engaged in a particular goal and pbd comes in arguing as though he knows better and almost always demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings of the given topics
the more i read libtard comments the more I reckognize the empty grandstanding and it always reminds me of the south park episode where kyle's family moves to san fransisco where they learn to love the smell of their own farts.
@@susanthejew6351 Whats wrong with u dude? Guy is expressing his opinion and you shoving your libtard bs. Life is not about Red vs Blue. Wake up and put yourself together.
I think you misunderstand PBD. He is very opinionated but I think he understands more than you give him credit for. He did not get to where he is by being a simpleton. I would suggest that he is trying to simplify the problem for the benefit of his audience.
@@susanthejew6351explains a lot, you’re a Jew. Go circumcise little bois with your mouth like in South Park.
agree. if he believes something emotionally, you can bring what ever facts you want, he will never budge. He did the same with the moon landing guest. he lives in his own bubble.
Worst I’ve seen… PBD let the guy finish his points. Argumentative, interrupting… Your emotions are too much for a logical conversation. You don’t need another Adam…
This Mr. Reza looks like he is high on something , my guy has illusion about Iran.
This dude didn't live in Iran since 1979
Its like arguing with who's aggree with Flat earth theory.there is no point!!😅
PBD and Reza are both very passionate about this. I love seeing the passion!
Passion is not your friend. Clear, calm mind is better in any situation
Is there any time Patrick answer a question? This is a really good and respectful conversation, but could be more good if he understand people has other position or he can listen and understand the other position.
Pat has a one track mindset, he’s always right and everyone else’s opinion is irrelevant. He is what he hates, sounds like a typical liberal.
Well said
From what I see no. I don't understand how his podcast is popular. Interupting and calling his guest neive is a common theme from what i have seen., while being afraid to entrain ideas you disagree with.
He wouldn’t let Reza finish
What an action packed debate!!! I loved watching this one, time just flew by! You have to have him back!
Partrick, the Shah’s era is gone for long time ago. You’re absolutely right that the people of any country, including Iran, hold the ultimate authority to decide their political future. External opinions, while potentially supportive or insightful, cannot substitute the will and agency of those directly affected. Sustainable and legitimate change always stems from the choices and actions of the people within the nation. It’s a fundamental principle of self-determination. Very much appreciated your opinion but people in Iran are well educated and enough intelligent!
What a fun discussion to observe. Don’t know a ton about Iranian politics, but it’s a good thing they live in America and can discuss these things freely
16:00 “You are defending khomenei“ after 16 minutes of conversation Patrick shows that while Reza is talking he is not listening. During that he only prepares his next argument. 😂 what a joke
*BEWARE OF REZA!* He doesn't support Trump or the populist Republicans.
He was indirectly defending mullahs. Isnt it strange he is asking for a nuclear deal (giving mullahs billions) and less sanctions? He is a slimey puppet.
Exactly! Patrick is showing how emotional and delusional he is when it’s the U.S government (CIA) which overthrown the democratic elected president back in 1954 and installed the Shah who was an oppressive American PUPPET. The current Iran leaders are the RESULT of America’s FAILED foreign policies throughout the world. They create more problems than they actually solve.
Exactly
@@Ko0okieeZ extremism comes in many forms usually rooted in inability to reconcile hypocrisy
Fascinating conversation Patrick. Thank you for bringing him on and having a civil conversation. Finally having two people who actually lived in Iran giving their opinions is such a fresh air. Most of the time we hear Americans or Israelis talking about it. Hearing both of your prospective was very refreshing. Keep the amazing work!
Patrick’s lack of college degree shows in this conversation. Reza’s point is pretty solid when he says equip Iran with free market. He has a great point.
As an Ethiopian, this reminds me of the conversations that the old heads have debating whether Haile Sellasie's Empire, Derg's socialist junta, or Woyane's "pluralistic democracy" were the best conditions of living. I love these type of conversations man. Whichever side you're on, you can't deny that these two love Iran very much just like those countless old heads I heard in these restaurants.
How do they love Iran if they want it to become a vassal of America?
Ethiopia would be a richer and safer place today if Haile Selassie was never murdered in secret during the coup of 1974
As an Ethiopian what is your opinion regarding these debates?
If you had to decide which standard of living was better for those involved then who amongst the men you've stated was the most favored among the masses?
@@Caine_Murdered_Able i do like the debates, thats why i watch the channel But this debate is problematic
First these guys have to decide,are they Iranians or are they Americans? after they figure it out, then their discussion has some meaning
@@zeus4354 i appreciate your take on the matter , stay blessed
Big difference between supporting a country and supporting that countries government.. lol
And regime change, ain’t now way Americans would send weapons to Iran.
Agreed. Just as I support the Chinese people, but certainly not their government. Same with the American people, and not the non-representative US government.
@Und3r_Bank3r the American government has most definitely given Iran weapons and hundreds of millions in cash.
@@CashMoolah00 why they sent it to afghanistan, sent to iraq during gulf war
@@CashMoolah00 we are losing our own weapons at the moment why would we give them some? Also in a way the new 1.7 trillion deal gives some money to Irans government since some is being sent there for boarder protection or something if I recall right. This country is going to die off soon if we cannot fix our priorities quick.
It seems to me like it is the first time I have seen PBD lost his cool and not listen to someone.
Big topic for Patrick and I 100% get it. But you both were talking alone at one point. Hope Iran will find a way to topple this hellbent regime.
Yup agreed
Hope the indoctrinated citizens in the west will find a way to topple their secular liberal everchanging moral regime
Heard this exact same conversation since I was a kid.
And I understand Reza being irritated and anxious, as someone wrote. Talking to someone who's not as bright as he think he is, is really tuff. Especially when that person dosen't bring any insight, facts or solutions to the table. Your intellect is not being entertained but your patience and mood is.
❤Aslan
REzan won the conversation , Patrick was alwasy fanatic in his approach he seems to be radical terorrist
@@KevinMartin-yy9wv
He's not educated in the matter, or in general. He's not knowledgeable, he's not that bright. He paints pictures with broad strokes. Pictures based on fear and what ifs..
Which is a great recepie for extremism.
That's what one should expect when knowledge is replaced with prejudice and bias.
I belive he's views have partly been inherited by his parents/enviroment and partly are a result of indoctrination and trying to fit in with the strong, stupid, American government stance in the matter.
It all boils down to ignorance.
Man i love how you use Farsi words ! I speak to my children the same way and this year for first time after 30 years I have one Persian student. I tell her one or two Farsi word between our conversations and it just makes my day❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Farsi baladi , Baba. 😅 that's all I know
Forsi harf mezani?😅it means “do you speak Farsi”
@@Este819 🤣 what does that mean??
Is it you loved in this debate?
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This reminds me of when I was younger and my uncles and father used to debate after having an amazing day. They'd then hug and kiss eachother while leaving and repeat next week 😂
hahaha i have the same memories
I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations
Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 .
NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy
@@matthewmiri I remember they'd start swearing and shouting as if they were going to get into a fist fight but then when they tea arrives they'd calm down 😂
@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 never trust anyone who copy and pastes the same thing in every comment.
@@rohatkarabulut2476 lol ah yes, chai can always resolve some of the most heated debates
The 150 billion should have been distributed among people directly by the US government in the form of zero interest loans. This would have made Reza's argument valid!
I love PBD, and do not understanding politics in Iran, but I think in this case PBD let his emotions get the best of him. Even though Reza is more animated, his points make more sense and PBD didn’t have a strong rebuttal so he just keeps going back to the money even though Reza said multiple times that the money was never meant to go to the people. Very interesting conversation for sure.
Thats because nothing about this regime makes sense
yeah he seemed emotional, he may be right btw but he didnt convey his message as well
Is not good enough to just state your opposition, you still have to come up with a solution and that I did not hear from PBD.
PBD seems to think the only way to help Iran is to help them start a coup. I have zero knowledge on this issue but that seems like where he's at.
you are absolutely right. personally PBD comes across a bit too woke..
PBD: "So you support negotiating with a nation that hates america?"
Reza:" we dont negotiate with country that just love us we negotiate with everyone"
I LOVE how you both can discuss your differences, agree with each other and disagree with each other without calling each other names!! This was a such a healthy discussion and my favorite podcast is yours Patrick!!
No Reza didn’t he called shah fucking shah
The guy always has some conspiracy theory in his head that he hunts at but can't even clearly define! That is sad twice.
It's interesting you watch a video where man calls another man names and then compliment them for not doing exactly what they did in the video.
I don’t know video what you watched but it wasnt this video.
@@Coral_dude what you guys are experiencing is the power of propaganda. Brett David is one of the best in the business on the level of Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder. He does a very good show of making himself seem objective and open to different ideas and such but ultimately he's just pandering to his audience just like most in American media.
The effect of someone watching him insult another guy and then complimenting him for the opposite is evidence of how powerful his techniques are. People see what he wants them to see not what actually is. Most people are too arrogant to admit that they've been manipulated so people like him always win. His victims will argue to death that somehow you're the one that got it wrong. This guy is a great guy blah blah blah. He is a pro so most people don't have a chance being able to see through his tricks just like fans of Ben Shapiro legitimately think he's a very honest guy when he's overtly not
In this case, PBD was schooled by Reza. He couldn’t comprehend Reza’s argument that the free market will give access to the people of Iran and the sanctions is killing the people of Iran!
Naive assumption.
I agree 100% ... we just got back from visiting Iran. From speaking to common people of different backgrounds, I feel the people would be a lot happier and self-sufficient if they had access to the free market. Regardless of the government, people just want to live. America does not care about THE PEOPLE, the sanctions are hurting THE PEOPLE. With America, it's always about self-interests.
You're insane if u think giving money to their government will help make them a free market
@@davidchang5265sure you may be right! But, sanctions are not helping the people either. The sanctions ought to end. But it won’t because the powers that be do not care about the people.
@@davidchang5265 and how is sanction gonna help the people? Just look at the history of the US in the international stage, u can’t be serious if you think the US cares about the people of these other countries. They want control and they will get it at all cost, as history has proven.
Patrick, as an Iranian, it's important that we have diverse perspectives. We can disagree and still coexist peacefully. There's a spectrum of Iranian viewpoints, from those similar to yours to those aligned with organizations like NIAC, and even those with ideas like the Iranian regime. By engaging in open dialogue and tolerating different opinions, we can foster growth and progress.
Never thought id agree with Reza over PBD
Just want to say I love watching this show. You guys are so genuine and straight talking. I find it so refreshing. Praying for Iran and it’s people ❤.
Seconded
Vatican Church and it's followers are similar to the fake Muslim Shia based in Iran.
Same for Zionists, fake Jews.
Research the Hashashin/Assassin's.
The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's.
They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders.
Pray for your own country lol usa is not a utopia. People killing one another, the cops and government. I bet you dont pray for palestine either cause u know nothing about that situation either.
@@shirok124 I’m not from the USA. From the U.K. I do pray for my own country, USA too. We’ll highlighted on Palestine. I’ll lift them upwards too. Have a good day 😊
Patrick is insane when it comes to Iran, he cannot use any logic.
I’m no blind supporter of the current Iranian government but Pat doesn’t really understand the situation, he has an illogical, pro western view of Iran that has no basis in reality. He has this romantic view of the shah. I remember in another interview he got mad when the shah was referred to as a “dictator”. Pat is ridiculous
a lot like the people living in iran
@@JohnDoeX1966yes that's exactly it Patrick is looking from the Western point of view and he wants the west to succeed he does not want the best for Iranian people
David is a good speaker. I like listening to his program.
Anytime someone is this emotional I immediately see red flags lol
Same goes to all the btc pumpers that get emotional about bAnKinG tHe uNBaNkeD in Africa 🤡
Liberalism is a mental disorder
Pat was really emotional here which blocked his brain from functioning
This is a super emotional topic guys
Just be greatfull you've been lucky to be born in the west.
@@MJMilano7 I did not find pat to be the emotional one in this debate
I am not Iranian but as Indian expat born in Asia and raised in England it is so beautiful to hear PBD say he would love to take his kids there one day. My Persian friends in NYC do not feel any attachment to their motherland. Whatever was lost in their transition from Iran to the USA it’s sad to see some won’t have any affiliation to their country’s
Maybe they consider themselves Americans now. My ancestors came from Scotland. I am an American. Not a RIDICULOUS hyphenated version. I would like to visit maybe someday. But is the motherland to me & mine. A big NO
The ones with affiliation are the ones we need to worry about..... You legally immigrate to a country and become a citizen then you need to assimilate. Like Lonnie said, no room for hyphenation.
That’s because the “Persians” living outside of Iran are they only Iranians who want no affiliation with their government. The majority of irans love their government and don’t want to live abroad. Apply 1% of your brains capacity
Muslims worship a pedophile . I dont think any ill towards people not wanting to return to a land of backward savages
@@stevenfinch9026tf? 😂😂 Us Muslims only defend ourselves from anti Islamic people like you. So maybe stop targeting us and start respecting us.
PBD: btw Hitler and Mussolini who was better
Me: Neither
PBD: How dare you pick Mussolini
Hahaha..very funny
Yeah, that question was a bit absurd.
I usually end up agreeing with PBD, but I honestly felt like he didn't do well in this one episode, and that was my "hol' up" moment with him
😅
Shah and Khomeini are not like Hitler and Mussolini
Shah was more like Ben Salman or Sheikhs of UAE and Khomeini was like Ben Laden and Hitler
So Sha wasn't a murderous Dictator?
You must be a true patriotic Iranian to understand Patrick is a true one! if he gets heated on a topic it comes from his pure love for Iran and I have a mad respect for him to be so
We definitely need more of this, please have another round with him david
Reza is amazing Patrick son you been schooled today . Thanks for having him on
One hell of a discussion! Very enjoyable listen. PBD is a great host, intelligent and gutsy, a rare combination these days.
why does he cut off his guest?
PBD is horrible
Look at him on JRE
Look at him freak out about BLM because people said said Jan 6 was violent
Average Immigrant Conversation
It is insane how it took just one chat to expose how ignorantly arrogant, extreemly biased and disturbingly chauvinist Patrik is. I had lots of respect to him prior to watching this video..
Ps: I am not Iranian and judging solely based on his reactions here...
Same here brother, he became extremely biased and doesn't at all care about Iranians
in this interview I noticed that Patrick is not that sharp. You can tell his lack of deep thinking on this topic. He can't surpass layer 2 and I think him not having studied anything is the reason for it.
I'm from there, and I can guarantee it with my life that Patrick is right. What Aslan is saying sounds good but, in actuality, strengthens and enriches the regime. A lot of people like Aslan are puppets and useful idiots of the Islamic Republic.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Reza. This was a bad question. PBD - "You're going to get murdered today, do you want to get shot or stabbed". Reza pointing out both are bad.
Probably shot, more likely to have a more peaceful death than stab wound.
You can acknowledge both is bad but prefer one over the other.
I don’t know anything about this issue but love a good debate. Pat is usually right about most things ngl, Reza I never used to agree with but I’m being fair here. There can be an answer even if you acknowledge bad on both sides
@@kklh7918 PBD speaks confidently and persuasively but if you know anything about what he’s talking about on a deep level he’s often wrong, like here.
@@desertezz well said!
That’s because Reza is equating the shah as being equivalent to khomeini which is pure dishonesty. The shah held back when it came to executions and voluntarily stepped down. However Khomeini and khamenei have killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians and made living in Iran a hell. In the 60’s-70’s Iran was one of the fastest growing economies in the world and was a place many wanted to be. It’s completely insane to just say “they’re both as bad as each other because they’re dictators” when one is clearly better than the other and we have praised many kings before.
@@kklh7918 pat is almost never right, can you make one time he’s been?
Love u bro but u gotta let this man answer how he pleases whether yall r on the same page or not, dont guiderail his answers thats not right... Allow his answers to be what they may.
The subtext is that Reza had collaborated with a terrorist organization. He did take blood money and did support policies that strengthen this regime but was expertly deflecting from the darker results of his actions and expertly framed each question so that his stance look reasonable.
For example, Reza worked for the propaganda arm of the Iranian government, but we shouldn't view it as supporting terrorists, bc he works for a lot of ppl as an expert on religion... Get it? Doing PR for terrorists is all right if you have a Ph.D.!
@@Ko0okieeZ It is true. The UK is preparing to formally declare that Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) is a terrorist organization. The US did it in '19!
The army of the state is a terrorist organization! Obviously the army serves the regime!
Reza Aslan worked for NIAC, a propaganda organization of the same terrorist regime!
He is a collaborator, he did helped the regime to get some 150 miliard $s... maaaaaaybe he was naiv! But he is Iranian, he must have known what kind of ppl he is promoting!
And these guys are leaning in hard into the comic book super villain role! Look up #WomenLifeFreedom! Absolutelly disgusting how the regime treats the ppl of Iran! Whatever atrocities you can imagine armed forces can commit against civilians multiply it by a hundred. I mean an 8 year old child was shot dead on the street for chanting protest slogans! Raping teenagers before execution, burning political prisoners, shelling cities, just the last few months!
And ofc they are selling drones to russia, they are sponsoring anti US, anti Isrrael terrorists, and try to be a pain in everybodies ass. All in the name of Islam, while the actual elite lives luxuriously in the west!
As if they went after every badguy badge imaginable! Once you read up on it it becomes harder and harder to imagine that such a smart guy believed diplomacy is an option with these goons!
@prizmajeno Nonsense, if you have evidence you need to go to the FBI.
First I´m seeing this and it's a year old... It´s interesting to hear two ethnic Iranians that still have emotional ties to Iran verbally duke it out. Loved it!
3 hour episode needed!
I love how the love for your home country comes through. I can tell you both love your home country especially when you guys talked about going back with your kids one day.
Also your line “you can’t be that naive, you have 4 degrees, I have none” 😂😂😂 I really felt this one!!! Haha
Patrick missed the point that Reza was making about stimulating the Iranian economy and how that would help the Iranian people. This would empower the people of Iran to push for change. Patrick seems to be lost in his hatred on the current Iranian regime and his love for the United States of America.
@@DanReh thank you for your insight. I saw that too. But my interpretation of what Pat was saying is that he wanted to know how the money would get into the hands of the people. Because what it sounds like is, it has to go through the corruption of the Iranian regime and the money would not go to the people.
That’s just my take on this conversation (video clip). I am definitely not educated on the history of politics in these countries. 😊
@@DanReh also just curious…what Rez is suggesting for the Iranian people, is that the same strategy the US tried to do for Afghanistan and it’s people before we exited a couple years ago?
@@Candice-Tara The strategy in Afghanistan was invasion through military force. We are not talking about military invasion here. So, it’s not the same strategy as Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was a disaster on many levels but I digress.
What Reza is doing in this video is defending the JCPOA, which is the Iran Nuclear Deal under the Obama administration. Reza argues that removing sanctions from Iran is a good idea because it allows for policies that lead to the economic liberalization of Iran.
I’ll give you a quick example. One of the items that is currently banned under the sanctions on Iran are carpets. So, if you are a carpet maker in Iran, you cannot sell your carpets internationally. You are cut off from the international market place. All sanctions do is hurt the Iranian people, not the government. The government is able to make money though black markets. Now the government is more powerful and the people are less powerful. It’s become almost impossible for Iranians to rise up against the government. Reza makes the point that 45 years of sanctions has made the people poor and the government rich. The policy of blanket sanctioning Iran doesn’t work.
Removing sanctions gives the Iranian people access to the international market place, which leads to economic liberalization. The Iranian people start becoming powerful because they are making money and gaining capital.
Patrick keeps arguing the money doesn’t go to the people. But it’s does, through these economic policies. However, these same policies also benefit the Iranian government. Patrick is completely blinded by his hate of the Iranian regime and he doesn’t see the big picture. He is complete caught up in the 150 billion dollars (which is part of the JCPOA deal, and is money that belongs to Iran anyways) going to the Iranian regime. He just doesn't seem to understand that Iran would have to pursue economic policies that would benefit the Iranian people. His "brilliant" idea having the US government stage a coup. This is nuts and will get a lot of innocent people killed.
Reza Aslan is a traitor. Plain and simple.
And then there’s me who has never heard of any of these guys just watching them discuss something I have no clue on, but PBD is such a good conversationist that I still find value in it haha
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I GUESS THATS WHY THEY CALL IT VALUETAINMENT BABY!!!!!!!!!! 😂😂🤣🤣
I never thought patrick is biased sometimes, the guys seems to give him more reasonable points
He ended up being more of a realist in the last few minutes. Patrick should give him time to show any plan. Seemed to cut him off. I WANT TO SEE MORE.
Reza works for Islamic Republic. Good.
Y’all need an episode specifically on Iran! This was awesome
This is hilarious. I've never seen Patrick be irrational, which I believe he is being here. The Iranian in him definitely comes out in this interview.
The Iranian in him? Lol what type of comment is that
He is extremely irrational today. SMH. I didn't understand his argument.
@@Jon_Izzy He’s Iranian! There is nothing American about him
@@Jon_Izzy the arab in him them.
He's so Iranian
Excellent debate, Very interesting . Patrick is an excellent interviewer.
PBD has no winning argument and he knows that so he plays the loud voice interrupt technique and calling his opponent naive 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Facts, that’s literally all he does in every single interview
Really Reza Aslan only cusses
Very interesting to have guests that give different points of view, keep it up
*wrong points of view
@@OmegaMouse i think these issues are a tiny bit more complicated than « right or wrong »
As someone who speaks Persian it's so fun to watch Patrick speaking Persian
That was your whole take from this interview?
@@homayamaniShahdoostthats one thing he liked, one sentence doesnt explain everything from the interview obviously.
A year later here…
What a fabulous debate,
I wonder if the debate would be any different now.
Love seeing discussions like this. I see no bad blood, just a passions conversation.
Both people wanting the same thing, but have different ways about it.
No. Aslan wants mullahs stay. Being an apologist for mullahs is a complicated job in 2022
THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SHOULD BE A FORMAT JUST LIKE THIS !!! ID LOVE TO SEE PATRICK AND PBD HOST SUCH AN EVENT !!
You won't be seeing much of that cause Trump even in his age eats everybody for lunch.
You need to ask Reza the same questions now. The 150B given to Iran did not go to Iranian and was used to support Hamas, killing thousands of people. That a shame.
Damn son this is a great interesting podcast 💪💪🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷
very niceeeeeeeeee!
That’s the wrong flag. There should be a 🦁 in the middle you garbage government supporting clowns
As someone who knows very little about Iran, even I could tell that PBD was being quite dogmatic and himself the naive one but props to both for civil conversation.
I’m convinced PBD’s headphones blocked all sounds from coming into his ears throughout this episode
Literally signed to be a US soldier.
He is an arrogant fool. He wants to send weapons and turn Iran into another Iraq or syria
The question before all these arguments should have been:
Based on the history written & told by the Ministers, Ambassadors, close family members & Historians:
Who brought in, controlled, and removed Pahlavi dynasty; 3 times?
(& even the present government!)
And Why?
m.ua-cam.com/video/m2Tr9cNde1o/v-deo.html
Like it or not , you are the Iranians the average American connects with the most. Please continue this dialogue!!!
We need more and more of this !!
Thank you
Who asked you for your approval, yank? 🤡
Love the podcast. This time Patrick didn't look too good on the subject, but still interesting episode. 👍🏼
I agree. He let his emotions take old and did not listen, really listen
@@10317 he was right tho. Shah was 1000x better than these dirty clerics.
I agree.. Pat was lowkey the same as those he claimed are happy with the tension in the region. He acts like he cares about the Iranians then proceeds to say send weapons.
So to him, I'll say this..
Listen, big boy.. Syria is your most recent example as well as Libya. How did that turn out? Assad is still there and only the people have suffered deaths and injuries while the regime remained intact. In Libya? Qaddafi died but now they have rogue militias and literal human slave markets.
Don't sit there and try to fool the average Joe that that is your first solution ffs. And I'm middle eastern, and I'm telling you this as you sit on your high horse talking about weapons this revolution that. If your government dared to send us weapons, the people would not be on your side regardless of their stance with there regime. Ask Iraq too.
But hey, typical hardcore capitalist who finds virtue in imperialism. I'm not surprised. And you dare talk about "naive" while you ignore recent events.
@@popo12920 it was not, don't rewrite history. Shah's crimes cannot be hidden despite him having the duplicitous media's backing. The current gov't of Iran cannot be cleanly analyzed because of all the propaganda from Shah-leaning outlets.
It was obvious he would say send weapons. That’s when we know who is who as Iranians. Sending weapons while collectively punishing everyone is literally what Irans enemies like Israel and Saudi Arabia want. He basically offered the Bolton/Pomeo plan for Iran which is the same as Syria. To weaken and destroy the nation as a whole.
I truly love the tough questions Pat asks. What an amazing show. I always learn listening to Pat.
Reza should have said that the United States has no other option but pay Iran to discontinue its nuclear program that's it, there saved you 30 minutes.
PBD just got served
@@BobbyM7847 na you just disagree with him
How can you learn from Pat when he skipped on entire 1953 Operation Ajax and backing of Shah and Saddam by USA and UK AGAINST IRAN. causing deaths of over 1 million people.
@@titanproductions3628 It's their money not from US taxpayer, they have no right to hold on it.
I love this guest. He's knowledgeable and bright n has a great grasp of the FACTS.He is so entertaining and engaging. Soooo refreshing. I'm thinking of buying "An American Martyr in Persia" . "Make America Great, Again" ....Persian-style lol
I disagree with pat on this one he is biased and feels like iran is evil which is not a good place to start to negotiations
Not Iran. The Islamic Republic is evil. I'm not sure where you get your news from, but I can tell you're definitely not Iranian.
I work with almost exclusively Iranians. And they all say what a bad place it is.