@@sabelondlovu9296 Every moment had it's relevance really. Like That was a shocker, Push Ups was a good response, Taylor Made was provocative and Drake was riding high that time, Euphoria was a rap lesson and a warning to keep it rap (it's my favourite of all the tracks) 6:16 was just a cool track, no serious jabs, the craziest moment of all though was Family Matters and Meet the Graham's coming out same day! FM was the better track of the 2 in terms of rap but MTG shock value took out the life of FM, before people could digest those, the BOP was dropped and the rest is history
No. I don't care for either artist. Drake had better punchlines and his points about Kendricks false pro-black stance was exactly what I always thought about dude. It was more grounded than all that Karen shit on MTG. "You're a body shamer". Shit like that is wack and effeminate. Which is saying a lot vs a dude who paints his nails
@@Hinokami777 Well regardless of he has learnt from his mistakes he doesn't have a righteousness ground to scold others on the extent of Rap Beefs....Fact is, they say, he who comes to equity must come with clean hands.
He ain't destroy shit name a fact he rapped still no charges of pedo on Drake but it's charges on dot beating his wife an other woman u right they not like yall
Math is a fraud! The show is literally called, "My Expert OPINION", and you sitting there wit popcorn saying, "it's none of your business?" Craziest answer ever!
Math, you keep saying that Kendrick crossed the line when he issued the warning, yet Drake had already said Whitney’s name on Push Ups. As soon as Drake mentions his wife, it’s gloves off, and yet Kendrick still gave him multiple warnings..Bias
Facts. It was the same thing with Push and Drake mentioning his wife. Saying people went too far when shit starts to go left and out of your favor is like starting a fight and saying, no fair because the other dude hit you too hard. 😂 Math is a clown bruh.
You don’t even know the circumstances or situation. You know nothing. She is an intelligent adult and still says you guys are implying nonsense. Let’s let the person and their people speak first perhaps and not random fans.
@@Bubbagum-xj7byokay pedo defender lmao you must be one too. All predators always use the excuse of “she’s mature for her age” you’re no different. Why was she singing Kendrick’s diss song then?
Math, stop it. Kendrick responded to Drake and Cole on "Like Dat." Nothing about family. Drake responds with "Push Ups" and "Taylor Made" talking about Whitney. Kendrick responds on "Euphoria" and warns him. The context of the "you don't know nothing about dat" in context of Drake spending money to find tea about Kendrick and not coming up with anything while Kendrick is with his family. Drake started it and got finished.
@AaronFigueroa1it’s really insane I always thought these super lyrical folks were smart ppl But their inability to look beyond their biases speaks volumes. Rapping to them is like chess or spades. You can be really good at a game that requires logical thinking but that does not necessarily make you smart. It just means you’re good at that game.
I still find it hard to believe no matter where da battle went he wasn't gonna talk about drake's kid let's be real it's a easy angle to use on Drake its public as well. I don't think he needed drake to go there just to use that
@JODYE4RMTHESIX I am a father. I'm not saying it's cool to keep bringing up Adonis or anyone's kids. But Drake keeps doing this stuff first with people's women in his disses. He can't act like dudes go too far when they mention Adonis. Drake ain't got no steady women, so who does he expect folks to mention that's close to him in response to him going overboard first? And context is important. Kendrick - and Pusha T - never talked negatively about Adonia himself; it's always about Drake's relationship with him, which isn't the same thing. Again, it still ain't cool, but Drake ain't no victim in this; he's an instigator.
@@matthewallen1834so y’all mad that drake brought up a chick he been with for over 15 years done cheated on and whipped her ass. If Kendrick cared so much about her he should have did the manly thing and married her and not cheated with them white women
You don’t warn somebody by going even harder on the thing you’re warning them not to do. Thats back handed provocation. Unironically some manipulative shit while he’s claiming Drake is the manipulator.
@@86Sentra If somebody bumps into me, and I warn them to back up while going out of my way to shoulder check them, that’s not a genuine warning from someone who don’t want to go there, that’s looking for a fight lol. But alright.
@@86Sentra And I’m not even saying he’s wrong for it, I just don’t buy this whole “ohh he didn’t wanna go there but he did want him” narrative. He wanted to go there lmao
Kendrick basically backed up the I'm Terrance Crawford I'm whopping feet bar. Drake didn't learn from the Pusha beef about mentioning wives. Lastly if Drake didn't move weird, the PDF stuff from Kendrick wouldn't hit as hard.
Yeah I've just recently heard some of the Budden disd EP 🤣. He was definitely going in but because he didn't have big name recognition, nobody really cared
You kinda have a point, but to me, it just shows that he won because people don’t want to be critical. He won because people hate Drake and want to believe the worst about him. Every girl he’s supposedly “moved weird” with has denied anything weird. And every one of those has a totally innocuous explanation. Could he be on some weirdo shit? Sure. But for everything we know publicly, him AND the women involved have done everything one can to prove it wasn’t weirdo shit.
@@BlakeZebDrake has weird PDF tweets, and lyrics about teenage girls. That is on top of kissing minors on stage and texting minors and around high school girl basketball teams. Not to mention rolling with dudes with a similar cases of trafficking or being involved with minors. Any 1 of those things alone would be worthy of drake having a creep or weirdo label. A decade plus of weirdo activity. He can't sue for defamation because he has had plenty of credible displays of creepy activity which shows calling a PDF isn't slander .
@@killablackmambakbm7593 I’m tired of arguing about the vague allegations, but if you wanna bring up something specific we can discuss it. I’ll agree there’s enough for a weird look on the surface. I don’t agree with yall acting like he’s a certified pedo, or even that it’s more likely than not. Especially when ever. Single. Person. He’s accused of being weird with has defended his character from what I’ve seen.
Kendrick had been telling Drake “I wish you would” for over a decade. Math you gotta do your math respectfully. Listen to control. Most people forget that Drake got in his feelings over that verse and Kendrick dropped the first diss record as his bet cypher. Go back and listen to that wit 2024 ears🤯💎
Brah that shit was over after euphoria. Period. Kendrick displayed multiple different flows an rhyme schemes throughout k dots songs we never expected drake to out "rap" k dot ... did we? Really?
'Flows' don't win Rap battles. They never have lol. Bars do. You don't know Rap like that. Put Kendrick's best diss bars in Euphoria up against Drake's best diss bars (Family Matters) and Kendrick loses CLEARLY when were are talking actual well constructed punchlines, rebuttals, metaphors and entendres. Kendrick is not as 'nice' lyrically as what his fans think. He's not a very clever writer. He does well with concepts but that man has NEVER had bars like that and it was exposed in this battle.
@@onyxonyx4744 drakes bars were lazy against Kendrick and on all disses Kendrick’s were more memorable. Drake wasn’t directing half of it towards Kendrick either because he dissed others for filler. Rebuttals ain’t never won battles either. The hardest disses were all on the offense
@Peacekeepa317 as well as a security guard and some other woman in Las Vegas who got paid to keep quiet whole crisis prevention team came in. All Googled stuff
Put Lupe Fiasco in the mix 😂 he's the biggest Kendrick hater for no reason AT ALL. You would think the mumble rappers would hate Kendrick, but it's actually the frustrated conscious rappers
Why do you care if someone don't like Kendrick..... everybody don't have to like Kendrick ..... get off is d.... I like Kendrick and drake.....darn yall be worse than eminem stan
Shorty know her hip hop, 46min mark she said drake won’t ever be in my top 5 in hip hop cause he got ghost writers.. 100% facts I said that 10 years ago to my boy when he was comparing Drake to BIG, JayZ and Nas lol 😂
@@Goldengame78 drake was out here saying he bated Kendrick with that info then said the ppl he got the info from were clowns and b4 that basically called him short said he beat his wife without showing proof and said he had a bad deal which he contradicted himself cuz he was signed to a nigga that’s signed to multiple niggas his beat choices were cool but this ain’t no producing battle this is a battle of the disses and lyrics and he wasn’t saying shii if u asked me
Man… what happened to math? Why he acting weird for drake… we don’t know if any of the allegations are true so why he defending drake like he got the proof… plus defending the 13 year old is wild math… lost mad respect for you on that… smdh bro wtf???
@@2431-q5b the way he’s defending drake without knowing if it’s true on top of the visuals we see makes no sense to me. If you’ve been accused then id suggest don’t talk about it defiantly don’t defend someone when you don’t know definitively is innocent. Instead he capping like it’s about money, however how can you accept him defending texting 13 year old & kissing on 17 year olds. Anyone who sees that as ok… maybe don’t have daughters or are just creepy. I’m 47 with daughter and granddaughters and that shit is creep!!
@@phillyl4235 O u taking bout Ken? I agree lol!!! U’d havta b nuts 2 think Ken won with all those wack beats, non-quotable bars, and lack of diss content. But Drake shouldn’t even b in this, he uses ghost writers, he can’t ever fix his mouth 2 say he is the best anyway…but based on the material put forth, Drake won bruh
Math is a fan😂 ain't no way you saying Kenny started the personal first when Drake mentioned his wife in push ups stop the fanning bro it's obviously Drake was most mad when you listen to the Heart Part 6 math stop this 🤣
Ion see how math is sayin Kendrick crossed the line first if Drake dropped push ups and Taylor made before Kendrick dropped euphoria. Drake brought up Whitney on push ups Kendrick said u a lacking father and warned him not to go this route let’s keep it rap then Drake kept going that route and Kendrick matched his energy. Math is definitely being biased right now
It's crazy how battle rappers talking about someone cross the line .... especially when it comes to drake.... Drake steady talk about other people wife and ish ...
I might have misheard, but I don’t think he said “cross the line” as in “oh that’s too far you shouldn’t go there” He said it as in “cross the own line you are trying to set”. Which Kendrick did do.
Kendrick has never and will never be a better Rapper than Drake. Y'all prefer his pandering socially conscious subject matter. Everything after GKMC has been corny or boring. He doesn't have the 'wit' or the charisma or an interesting enough story to be THE GUY.
Drake won and I've forgotten more Hip Hop than you've ever known homeboy. Y'all are 'fake' Rap fans that think liking Kendrick 'validates' you. The reality is most dudes that REALLY KNOW what's up, think that Kendrick is corny. He had ONE album in GKMC that deserves praise. Everything else has been corny or boring. He got his boots SMOKED by Drake in this battle
@onyxonyx4744 lol Brother, you lookin mighty compromised.... Optically, streaming wise, and strategically, he won. The advantage that Drake usually has in support and numbers he objectively lost. That's is a shocker to dang near everyone. He took the sails out of his best track in Family matters. To be able to sway public opinion in that way is masterful. If you watch the reactions to the song, it shows you this very thing. People walked outta the song sorry and remorseful for Adonis. 😆 If we go by Drake and his fans metric (numbers) he lost on this front. This is the biggest one that should tell everyone that here is your winner. Where you excel is precisely where you lost. Go check the numbers on streaming. Go check the like to dislike ratio on UA-cam.
@@onyxonyx4744 Lil homie my ears have forgotten more hip hop then you’ve ever heard! The fact you think drake won shows you don’t know anything about this hip hop shit!!! Homeboy got ethered then dropped a “diss track” (heart pt 6) sounding like he about to cry!?! 🤣 Drake got exposed as a liar and a fraud! Shit pass me what you puffin on loco!!!
@@onyxonyx4744you are obviously compromised. I was born the same year hip hop was conceived and I have never heard a rapper as goo's and intelligent as Mr. Lamar.
I'm sorry, texting a 14 y/o girl "I miss you so much", as a 30+ y/o grown ahh man, is 1000% weirdo F.A.N. behavior. There's no justification for that unless it's your daughter. And the fact that this is only 1 of MANY questionable instances from this dude with underage girls points directly to that "groomer" tag. It's completely earned imo 🤷🏾♀️
No it’s not. That’s literally nothing. I miss you so much? Is that sexual? Is that an invite for sex? Y’all so thirsty to make any & everyone a criminal
Math need to stop. Drake gave math some bread for a battle or some shit cuz he arguing against facts and he playing devils advocate too much.. and also hip hop ass people still ain’t cool with ghostwriters. Not if you want to be respected as too emcee. You’re not in the top three conversation if you don’t write your own shit. Math is buggin. Man stop. It’s a reason you outnumbered here
Kendrick went directly at Drake on Like That, then Drake went below the belt mentioning Dots wife on Push Ups. From that point on, the gloves were off stop the cap. Kendrick did what he had to and handled business.
Kendrick didn't 'handle' anything. He lost lyrically. ''I'm what the culture feeling''. He fed off of the jealous, industry Drake 'hate' with little to no bars for most of the battle. HE didn't do much of anything. He pandered to the fake woke/xenophobic/colorist crowd and made a pedophile anthem and people were dumb enough to ignore his weak rapping
Yall are weird lmao. He was a child actor. At the time, she was the biggest child actor. She has denied him being anything weird to her, and even defended his character as a great mentor in the industry. COULD it be some weirdo shit behind the scenes? It could, but could it also be totally innocuous like BOTH sides claim? Absolutely and it’s weird that people can’t fathom that.
@@BlakeZeb OK so now explain the Womens HS basketball games and drake going out w shorty as soon as she turned 18....It's all about context so lets not leave that out and see why people can't fathom that being regular...btw I listen to drake more than kenny but damnn kenny cooked.
@@AlbertoDelacruz92 You mean the basketball team his goddaughter was on, and a girl he didn’t do anything sexual with? Yeah what about that one? If the shorty that turned 18 you’re talking about is that time he supposedly rented out a restaurant (only one I’m aware of) that girl flat out said she was in an entire different state when it happened. He was just with a girl that looked similar and tabloids ran with it.
@@AlbertoDelacruz92 That’s kinda what I’m saying man. I didn’t like Drake before all this but when I started digging into it because of this beef… I can’t find the fire, just the smoke people blew
@@Goldengame78Right? If you’re going to spend 3-4 tracks all with the exact same angles… I expect a little more work done to PROVE those angles and not just rely on the internet to carry a narrative for you. Kendrick might’ve won the battle for the masses but he’s lost a lot of his aura for me.
Never knew Math loved Drake this much lol everybody be looking at him sideways anytime he defends Drake especially when he obviously got COOKED against Pusha and Kendrick 😂🤣😂
People don’t even consider Drake mentioning Whitney in Push Ups to make their point. And what all Kendrick did was 1. responded to Whitney getting mentioned because he was not gonna let it slide and it was 1 for 1 and 2. that he put out a warning literally to not push it further! And then Drake pushes it further and then rest is history! It’s simple to understand if you consider all the things and not skip any (may be due to being subconsciously biased for some reason or just being consciously biased) And not take shit seriously about Drake?? Im outta here.
@@bruh...imnotgoodatnothing.4084 Drake is heavily involved in sneak dissing, and attacking rappers' significant others and women. Drake is no battle rapper.
Method Man freestyled using his cell phone on Sway in the Morning......so what are you gonna say that Meth isnt legendary? Man stop being fake and praise these two different artist and give them the props for what they have done for the culture.
Math is looking crazy right now. Defending a man, text a 13yr is weird, and saying it's fine. At least i know not to have my children around him. Math needs help.
You are creep, u don’t know what their relationship is, but assuming something sexual just means it’s something you’re capable of doing. Which is nasty.
Sorry math she is right , kendrick brought back that hip hop feeling again, drakes been out and he actually made it into artificial rap, one is sugar cane and one is corn fructose syrup, and you know which is which!
@@BigOnBigSXThe can try all he wants he does not come off as unbiased here. He def seems like a drake Stan and is constantly throwing Kendrick under the bus this whole clip. Nothing abt his stance seems unbiased from what I’m watching
I think some of these dudes be paid opposition or UMG reach is really that long. I don’t think many of these dudes have a free tongue to speak their natural feelings because it can cost them some sort of recognition or money. I used to listen to MEO often, but when the lingo started to sound suspect I left.
I said this same thing!! He knows this is out of his character. Could he be one of Drake's Ghost Writers? Or is Drake paying him? I don't get this. He lost!! IF Drake won after saying that wasn't Kendrick's Kid, we would not be having this discussion... This has nothing to do with RACE... It has more to do with misappropriating the culture... I am the Biggest Fan of Eminem.. He is my GOAT... You can see the ginuwine person in him. He is him. He admits his influences. He raps about his world... He STANDS for something... Kendrick basically pointed out why Drake is a FRAUD.. and yall tryna make it seem like this Battle was only won because of TEA??!?! That's not the ONLY REASON why he won... Beside's isn't that how you win a Battle Rap, MATH??
Yea they’re clearly forgetting drake LIED about giving kendrick false information with those same items…That wasn’t a clout chase. Drake lied and got exposed.
I consider myself a Kendrick fan, and think you gotta listen with a critical ear to pick up on everything. That said… Drake didn’t say he fed the picture. Yall being too hasty with interpretation. He said he fed the daughter info, and that you gotta FACT CHECK things like the items in the picture. He didn’t say that stuff was fed. That absolutely can be read as “yeah, someone sent you a pic of some random items. I know when I lost that shit, and I know it don’t prove shit.”
@@juliustolbert317 Trust me, I did before I started saying it. “You gotta learn to fact check things and be less impatient Your fans are rejoicin', thinkin' this is my expiration Even the picture you used, the jokes and the medication The Maybach glove and the drug he uses for less inflation Master manipulator, you bit on the speculation”
Not did Drake throw out abuse accusations, but he also claimed Kendrick’s kid was actually his friends kid and that his wife cheated… math is on the ovo payroll.
Yall don't understand podcasting. It's calling playing devil's advocate. Show would be boring and the comments, like yours, wouldn't be going crazy if everybody just agreed and went home.
@@youngatwistano but he’s saying some stupid biased inaccurate stuff. Like why is he acting like Kendrick’s bars were taken from somewhere but no mention of drakes bars, he just listed ALL KENdrick. He keeps trying to make the playing field even and it’s not. Drake lost and he seems in denial over that
@youngatwista So if that's the case, Math should let someone else play that role. SMH.... Also it is very popular to make it know to say, "To be devils advocate" ............... 🤷🏽♂️
@@youngatwistaand debating in bad faith is poor podcasting because he’s lying & disingenuous about who crossed the line first. He acted like Drake only mentioned Whitney in one bar in a harmless way, but he mentioned her more than once on pushups & he was insinuating the mother of Kendrick’s children cheated & had a baby with one of his close friends. At least be genuine in your argument homie.
Math ain’t making no sense. Because the implication isn’t aimed at Adonis. He is directing the emphasis on Drake’s lack of parenting. That’s an indictment on Drake, that has zero ramifications on Adonis. Period. Frame it how you want, fam. But it ain’t the same thing. Kendrick warned him, repeatedly. Drake suggested that they’re bodyguards were too close to Whitney. What was the Bodyguard about? A sexual relationship between a bodyguard and his benefactor. Why is it that every interaction with Drake, involving an underage person, they happen to be a female. Never a little successful male child. Does that not make alarms go off in your spirit?
@@Goldengame78As someone that went in with a huge bias in favor of Kendrick… I agree. People aren’t thinking as critically as they wanna think they are. Drake slayed that shit on almost every front, flipped every angle, but if you only look at a surface level…. Maybe you can say Kendrick won. He played into narratives people WANT to believe but didn’t do anything to prove them any more than the internet already had, while saying things that can’t even be proven false. What Drake said can easily be proven false but it hasn’t been… that should raise eyebrows.
@@eyemeal How? I feel like Kendrick contradicted himself more. Such as trying to shame Drake as a deadbeat (despite him not being that as far as we know) while opening up the beef on a track with Future.
Hoffa, it's concerning that you don't know or understand what inappropriate behavior is, or the perception as it relates to children...really tellibg convo
Math you sound crazy bro I still can’t see Kendrick just throwing that out to win he has always stood on integrity and stated don’t tell no lies about me and I want tell truths about you
Kendrick Won. People who are saying other wise just because they want Drake on they show or cause he’s super popular mainstream , how can you be respected on any aspect when it comes to discussions on HipHop? Y’all putting popularity over real skill
Is making a whole diss track based on false info respectable? U Stan's just can't accept people don't share your opinion it's ok to disagree you sound emotional asf
@@RobsSXT so Drake putting out false claims about Kendrick Wife is respectable? Or the fact that he went on some personal shit because he couldn’t just see Kendrick with straight bars, but you overlook that right?
@@RobsSXT of course it is. Majority of diss songs aren’t completely 100% accurate , without some extra added punches for shock value. Don’t ask a dumb question bruh. Especially when Drake did the same thing.
Drake said WHITNEY, used 2PAC early if you remember. Kendrick then warned Drake Back-to-Back. Then Drake dropped Family Matters…… the rest is history 😂 Stop playing with Kendrick…. he will turn you into a song 😂😂 That battle wasn’t even close. Drake got WASHED
Again washed is a stretch, big Sean was washed, but it is true you have to fact check this and what Kendrick said the girl on stage came out and said that was a lie where is the proof, but drake did put up a wife
@@wowthatssocrazy7920 washed not a stretch. He let him make the rules each step. He out rapped him, out bopped him, out styled him, out streamed him. He won in every aspect
@@TaydaMada510 idk bopped and rapped sure idc about style but as a song in general Idk family matters kinda slaps🤷🏾♂️, and technically those claims Kendrick made was debunked so what he said wasn’t the truth
@@wowthatssocrazy7920 You don’t care about style so what slapped about Family Matters that didn’t slap on Euphoria? Only thing debunked is the daughter claim what else has been debunked? Cease and desist? Feature request? Fvcked on Wayne’s girl and got a tat? Baka’s case? Chubbs sniffing?
Her claim if the Pulitzer mind didn’t work in a battle. Beat for beat, punch for punch, joke for joke, and this whole thing hasn’t been scored right. You totally didn’t even count Taylor Made. Take your feelings out of it and it was a great chess move that predicted things accurately.
i hear what you're trying to say but i disagree with the terminology: drake's artistry and lifestyle has always been Hip Hop.....post-degrassi😉 a (culture) vulture is a being that swoops down picks what they want/need (from the culture) then flys away --- back to their real identity •Justin Bieber was a culture vulture •DJ Vlad is NOT a culture vulture •JenniferLopez was a culture vulture •Eminem is NOT a culture vulture •Miley Cyrus was a culture vulture and damn Kid Rock turned out to be one of the worst culture vultures now we can call Drake a "LEECH" of rapping and music styles but definitely not a "culture vulture". he lives this and has been this since his first mixtape p.s jury still out on Tyla lol
Math where im from if u were to get caught texting a minor u gonna get GOT!! Believe it or not even hardcore criminals have morals, that shit is foul bro. Besides all the alegations Kendrick destroyed drake, wss bot even close
I rock with Math, but I almost turned this shit off multiple times… homeboy is flailing… texting your niece isn’t anywhere in the same fucken universe as texting a fucken minor with no relations to you!!!!!! Smh Damn Math…
Yall still tryna have discussions about the "truth" completely missing the point of the beef in general. Kendrick told Drake not start off by telling lies and we seen how that played out, all Drake had to was keep it rap friendly and leave the personal shit out.
This was supposed to be a friendly exhibition within the game, but you fecked up the moment you called out my family's name. I guess that went over Maths head.
Its the fact that grown men refuse to believe what they see and what people show them Kendrick has always shown who he was and always stood on who and what he believed no matter what people in the industry or the public had to say. So why would he all of a sudden throw his integrity out the window to win a rap beef we have seen for yrs that Drake has had inappropriate relationships with underage girls and y'all trying to turn this back on Kendrick.
Are you serious? How long did the Diddy allegations and evidence float around before action was taken? How long did the R Kelly allegations and in our face proof go around before action was taken? How long did the Epstein and Weinstein allegations and proof float around until actions were taken? How long did the Jay Z and Foxy brown allegations and proof when she was 15 of them sleeping together? Please I can go on forever this has always been apart of the industry since I was a teenager and you know why nobody ever speaks up because when they did every single one of them died mysteriously. We in a time now where all parts of the industry is being exposed. That he would have been locked up line is the goofiest shit I ever heard, is Diddy locked up? Are u proud of your ability to remain ignorant or are you choosing to remain ignorant?
@@MrSfisher964 All of that shit is speculation. None of those other situations have shit to do with 53 missing seconds on a security camera. You're mentally ill. You can't separate online bullshit from reality and it's sad. And again...either way....what the fuck are you going to do about it? If you feel that strongly then keep calling and emailing law enforcement back to back and tell them all this shit. What the fuck are you and the comment section going to do if all that is true?
@@MrSfisher964 Also everyone you mentioned that got locked up had actual victims pressing charges. Not s bunch of idiot ass conspiracy theories with a 6th grade reading level
Yo MATH, you might not ever see this but I swear when you debate try taking a breath before saying your response especially about something as serious as pedophilia and grooming underage kids. You sound absolutely nuts for saying those conversations with that little girl wasn't weird. Automatically coming back with a rebuttal means you aren't listening and digesting what that person is saying when two people are clearly telling you facts about how this plays out isn't mature or good for your platform. Respect and I hope this can be a learning lesson.
Kendrick WON the battle, hands down. He is the culture, and the evidence resides in his body of work. As far as getting dirty, since when didn't hip hop rap battles get dirty? I also believe that battles are for those who pen, not for ghost writers. Battles are not about hooks and popularity, rather intellect, lyricist, flow/delivery, creativity, intention, commitment to the attack, defense and offense, and real MC'ing. I agree that Drake is a pop star, and while he may write something for other people, he is no match for Kendrick, and I don't believe he will ever be in Kendrick's league. I appreciate the insight of everyone in this podcast. It's fun and enlightening to listen to and learn from those who are passionate about hip hop.
@@billpeart4809go to the heart pt 6 comment section and u tell me if he won…. he got more dislikes than likes and everyone is roasting this dude . so much backlash
@@Peacekeepa317what do the two things have to do with each other? You one of them ppl who so convinced that you smarter than everybody else that you say stupid stuff, aren’t you?
this is why reading comprehension is important, one shorty is saying that drake said kendrick is hiding a child, that’s not what drake said, he said that kendrick doesn’t pose with his child, like drake does with adonis, which only comes back to bite him in the ass, cause he only uses adonis as a photo opp 2. you’re a a bad father is not the same thing as a deadbeat 3. drake did cross the line first, drake brought names into this
Drake been begging for this he even had a blow up on Marcellus Wiley show talking about how he is so much better then Kindred just ranting and going in...the same way he got butt hurt behind the control verse. His ego got the best of him and he got humbled.
Hands down the best breakdown of this battle so far!
Lies
Drake mentioned Kendricks wife first
@@missmccoy6010 it sure did get pinned 😂
judging by the rest of these comments...u straight capping , and ofc math pins the only positive comment about him🤦♂
@@_gold_3925sure cause the popular take is always the right one...
Kendrick fans say Kendrick won
Drake fans say Drake won
Everybody else says Kendrick won!
Even if Kendrick fans say Drake won. Kendrick won. what were the 2 biggest moments of the battle?
@@sabelondlovu9296 Every moment had it's relevance really. Like That was a shocker, Push Ups was a good response, Taylor Made was provocative and Drake was riding high that time, Euphoria was a rap lesson and a warning to keep it rap (it's my favourite of all the tracks) 6:16 was just a cool track, no serious jabs, the craziest moment of all though was Family Matters and Meet the Graham's coming out same day! FM was the better track of the 2 in terms of rap but MTG shock value took out the life of FM, before people could digest those, the BOP was dropped and the rest is history
No. I don't care for either artist. Drake had better punchlines and his points about Kendricks false pro-black stance was exactly what I always thought about dude. It was more grounded than all that Karen shit on MTG. "You're a body shamer". Shit like that is wack and effeminate. Which is saying a lot vs a dude who paints his nails
All other people say Drake won. Bots say Kendrick won 🥱
@@kazoh0lic It's so obvious. A bunch of comments saying the same shit that are posted in batches at the same time. It's disgusting
no grown man should be texting a 13 old little girl
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The irony of Math talking about going to far in a battle when he punched someone in the face during a rap battle lol
Twice ✌🏽
😂😂😂 FACTS
Yeah like someone can’t learn from a. Mistake over 10 years ago lol grow up
@@Hinokami777 Well regardless of he has learnt from his mistakes he doesn't have a righteousness ground to scold others on the extent of Rap Beefs....Fact is, they say, he who comes to equity must come with clean hands.
Just like Drake 😂 he wanna punch someone in the face until he gets punched by someone else (Dizaster) and call it unfair. Typical Drake fans
Drake mentioned Kendrick family name first in “Push Ups” then Kendrick destroyed his ass.
He says it, definitely didn't write it though
I don't think mans listened to push ups good. ''I be with some body guards like Whitney'' was not crossing the line?? smh
He ain't destroy shit name a fact he rapped still no charges of pedo on Drake but it's charges on dot beating his wife an other woman u right they not like yall
@@nhlanhlashongwe6506thank you
He did not say nothing about Kenny family first 😂😂😂😂he said a name
Math is a fraud! The show is literally called, "My Expert OPINION", and you sitting there wit popcorn saying, "it's none of your business?" Craziest answer ever!
That part
Watch a Kendrick interview and a drake interview and watch how they speak about hip hop and loving this sport. The difference is there
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Math, you keep saying that Kendrick crossed the line when he issued the warning, yet Drake had already said Whitney’s name on Push Ups. As soon as Drake mentions his wife, it’s gloves off, and yet Kendrick still gave him multiple warnings..Bias
He wants that Drake interview
Facts. It was the same thing with Push and Drake mentioning his wife. Saying people went too far when shit starts to go left and out of your favor is like starting a fight and saying, no fair because the other dude hit you too hard. 😂 Math is a clown bruh.
Facts
Not only that, the way laid the bar out, he made it seem like his wife was sleeping with the bodyguard.
He is totally one sided
Math is clearly being obtuse or he is chosen to clearly ignore the Whitney bullsh@t. He is compromised. He in the same boat as Ak.
What Whitney bs though
@@josegarza1886I think he is referring to the fact that Drake brought up Whitney 1st
I think he is playing devil’s advocate for the sake of the convo
Exactly
Drake also mentioned Dot's "uncle" in Push Ups as well, who is trans. People skip over that as well.
This man compared texting his niece to texting a random 13 year old 🤦🏽♂️ just stop talking dawg
You don’t even know the circumstances or situation. You know nothing. She is an intelligent adult and still says you guys are implying nonsense. Let’s let the person and their people speak first perhaps and not random fans.
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@@Bubbagum-xj7byhe said 13 year old is a ADULT????
@@Bubbagum-xj7byokay pedo defender lmao you must be one too. All predators always use the excuse of “she’s mature for her age” you’re no different. Why was she singing Kendrick’s diss song then?
@@lt4161he’s sick in the head bro we can’t argue with him
“What I learned is niccas don’t like the west coast and I’m fine with it I’ll push the line with it” 🎯
We can be on a 3hr time difference..
@@kevanlee252Now a 2-hour time difference! I was so tickled when he said that at the concert.
Math, stop it. Kendrick responded to Drake and Cole on "Like Dat." Nothing about family. Drake responds with "Push Ups" and "Taylor Made" talking about Whitney. Kendrick responds on "Euphoria" and warns him. The context of the "you don't know nothing about dat" in context of Drake spending money to find tea about Kendrick and not coming up with anything while Kendrick is with his family. Drake started it and got finished.
Facts
@AaronFigueroa1it’s really insane I always thought these super lyrical folks were smart ppl
But their inability to look beyond their biases speaks volumes. Rapping to them is like chess or spades. You can be really good at a game that requires logical thinking but that does not necessarily make you smart. It just means you’re good at that game.
I still find it hard to believe no matter where da battle went he wasn't gonna talk about drake's kid let's be real it's a easy angle to use on Drake its public as well. I don't think he needed drake to go there just to use that
Homegirl is right, Math. Drake crossed the line first by mentioning Whitney. He did it to himself.
Fr. Kendrick literally said dont do it and then when drake did it, kendrick explained why he was going in on him so personally.
We need more fathers, They been talking about this man son. Just say you’re a Kenny fan.
@JODYE4RMTHESIX I am a father. I'm not saying it's cool to keep bringing up Adonis or anyone's kids. But Drake keeps doing this stuff first with people's women in his disses. He can't act like dudes go too far when they mention Adonis. Drake ain't got no steady women, so who does he expect folks to mention that's close to him in response to him going overboard first? And context is important. Kendrick - and Pusha T - never talked negatively about Adonia himself; it's always about Drake's relationship with him, which isn't the same thing. Again, it still ain't cool, but Drake ain't no victim in this; he's an instigator.
@@matthewallen1834so y’all mad that drake brought up a chick he been with for over 15 years done cheated on and whipped her ass. If Kendrick cared so much about her he should have did the manly thing and married her and not cheated with them white women
True.
Kendrick : “you dunno nothing about thatttt”
Drake: “well you beat your wife”
Math: wow Kendrick went too far
😂😂😂
This comment is so underrated! 😂😂😂
Math is wildin. A grown man trying to "be friends" with young girls/boys is weird
Kendrick issued a warning in Euphoria after Drake mentioned Whitney messing with bodyguards in Push Ups.
You don’t warn somebody by going even harder on the thing you’re warning them not to do.
Thats back handed provocation. Unironically some manipulative shit while he’s claiming Drake is the manipulator.
@@BlakeZeba warning is a warning tf
@@86Sentra If somebody bumps into me, and I warn them to back up while going out of my way to shoulder check them, that’s not a genuine warning from someone who don’t want to go there, that’s looking for a fight lol. But alright.
@@86Sentra And I’m not even saying he’s wrong for it, I just don’t buy this whole “ohh he didn’t wanna go there but he did want him” narrative.
He wanted to go there lmao
Warned him again on 6:16 in LA
Kendrick basically backed up the I'm Terrance Crawford I'm whopping feet bar. Drake didn't learn from the Pusha beef about mentioning wives. Lastly if Drake didn't move weird, the PDF stuff from Kendrick wouldn't hit as hard.
Joe Buddens bodied Drake before PushaT did
Yeah I've just recently heard some of the Budden disd EP 🤣. He was definitely going in but because he didn't have big name recognition, nobody really cared
You kinda have a point, but to me, it just shows that he won because people don’t want to be critical.
He won because people hate Drake and want to believe the worst about him. Every girl he’s supposedly “moved weird” with has denied anything weird. And every one of those has a totally innocuous explanation.
Could he be on some weirdo shit? Sure. But for everything we know publicly, him AND the women involved have done everything one can to prove it wasn’t weirdo shit.
@@BlakeZebDrake has weird PDF tweets, and lyrics about teenage girls. That is on top of kissing minors on stage and texting minors and around high school girl basketball teams. Not to mention rolling with dudes with a similar cases of trafficking or being involved with minors. Any 1 of those things alone would be worthy of drake having a creep or weirdo label. A decade plus of weirdo activity. He can't sue for defamation because he has had plenty of credible displays of creepy activity which shows calling a PDF isn't slander .
@@killablackmambakbm7593 I’m tired of arguing about the vague allegations, but if you wanna bring up something specific we can discuss it.
I’ll agree there’s enough for a weird look on the surface. I don’t agree with yall acting like he’s a certified pedo, or even that it’s more likely than not. Especially when ever. Single. Person. He’s accused of being weird with has defended his character from what I’ve seen.
Kendrick had been telling Drake “I wish you would” for over a decade. Math you gotta do your math respectfully. Listen to control. Most people forget that Drake got in his feelings over that verse and Kendrick dropped the first diss record as his bet cypher. Go back and listen to that wit 2024 ears🤯💎
I Keep telling goofies this been brewing heart 5 was at drake’s neck
Edit: I meant heart part 4, drake tried that weak 6
Brah that shit was over after euphoria. Period. Kendrick displayed multiple different flows an rhyme schemes throughout k dots songs we never expected drake to out "rap" k dot ... did we? Really?
'Flows' don't win Rap battles. They never have lol. Bars do. You don't know Rap like that. Put Kendrick's best diss bars in Euphoria up against Drake's best diss bars (Family Matters) and Kendrick loses CLEARLY when were are talking actual well constructed punchlines, rebuttals, metaphors and entendres. Kendrick is not as 'nice' lyrically as what his fans think. He's not a very clever writer. He does well with concepts but that man has NEVER had bars like that and it was exposed in this battle.
@@onyxonyx4744 drakes bars were lazy against Kendrick and on all disses Kendrick’s were more memorable. Drake wasn’t directing half of it towards Kendrick either because he dissed others for filler. Rebuttals ain’t never won battles either. The hardest disses were all on the offense
Why isn't this a top comment, I'm sure I don't know👍
@onyxonyx4744 😂😂😂😂Fool please! That's the dumbest comment on here. What are you 12 and deaf?😂😂😂" what is it the braids?"
Math is a groupie ! You ain't getting a Drake interview!
that part lol
Straight up!
🎯🎯
He a fan 😂
Nah, Drake won
Kendrick has no record of doing anything like that. Drake has a long record of questionable stuff.
There's a rec bruh people got paid kdot beats women like drakes a pedo.
Kendrick put hands on a woman at a casino. Google it
He's literally said it at 2 different points in his career. Bars about knocking her on the floor
@Peacekeepa317 as well as a security guard and some other woman in Las Vegas who got paid to keep quiet whole crisis prevention team came in. All Googled stuff
This is how I can tell your not a kendrick fan your just a Drake hater. Cuz u would b aware of kdots confessions
Math seems like he’s a little jealous of Kendrick. It seems like a lot of conscious rappers are upset that Kendrick is able to sell music to.
Put Lupe Fiasco in the mix 😂 he's the biggest Kendrick hater for no reason AT ALL. You would think the mumble rappers would hate Kendrick, but it's actually the frustrated conscious rappers
Honestly I need someone to explain all the hate tbh…. I even heard Kendrick is overrated🤦🏾♂️
Why do you care if someone don't like Kendrick..... everybody don't have to like Kendrick ..... get off is d.... I like Kendrick and drake.....darn yall be worse than eminem stan
@@zGrover402 Dot changed the landscape and broke the mold…the West Coast legends gave him the torch to carry on. They recognized he was blessed.
Math is still upset at the Control verse. It's clear he has a serious problem with K Dot
Math felt so compromised during this whole beef
Thank God for Mecca being a part of this podcast!
Shorty know her hip hop, 46min mark she said drake won’t ever be in my top 5 in hip hop cause he got ghost writers.. 100% facts I said that 10 years ago to my boy when he was comparing Drake to BIG, JayZ and Nas lol 😂
Drake smashed Ken, like obliterated dude
@@Goldengame78 drake ain’t smash shii dude waved the white flag after the not like us exposure
@@WrthaDime And Drake clearly told dude to let him know when he wanna talk real. All them wack beats Ken was on lol!!!! N he wasn’t talknbout ish!!!!
@@Goldengame78 drake was out here saying he bated Kendrick with that info then said the ppl he got the info from were clowns and b4 that basically called him short said he beat his wife without showing proof and said he had a bad deal which he contradicted himself cuz he was signed to a nigga that’s signed to multiple niggas his beat choices were cool but this ain’t no producing battle this is a battle of the disses and lyrics and he wasn’t saying shii if u asked me
@@Goldengame78delusional 😂
i usually fuck with you Hoff but your waaaaay off on this one... respecfully.. Meca was on point
Man… what happened to math? Why he acting weird for drake… we don’t know if any of the allegations are true so why he defending drake like he got the proof… plus defending the 13 year old is wild math… lost mad respect for you on that… smdh bro wtf???
Math was falsely accused in the past he not with putting labels on people without proof
Cause Drake won. Most artists agree. If u don’t actually do it, it’s like talking what u don’t know
@@2431-q5b the way he’s defending drake without knowing if it’s true on top of the visuals we see makes no sense to me. If you’ve been accused then id suggest don’t talk about it defiantly don’t defend someone when you don’t know definitively is innocent. Instead he capping like it’s about money, however how can you accept him defending texting 13 year old & kissing on 17 year olds. Anyone who sees that as ok… maybe don’t have daughters or are just creepy. I’m 47 with daughter and granddaughters and that shit is creep!!
@@Goldengame78 Drake lost by a landslide. Not even close.
@@phillyl4235 O u taking bout Ken? I agree lol!!! U’d havta b nuts 2 think Ken won with all those wack beats, non-quotable bars, and lack of diss content. But Drake shouldn’t even b in this, he uses ghost writers, he can’t ever fix his mouth 2 say he is the best anyway…but based on the material put forth, Drake won bruh
Math so bothered Kendrick won
🎯 Immensely!
Whitney mentioned in pushups makes Math wrong about the one crossing the line.
Nah shorty was cooking math
Negative.
@@g-holyPositive 😂😂
Hi Key
@@yaboy1414 over talking and cutting a person off ? Y’all weird
Yea cooking allegedly 😂
Math is a fan😂 ain't no way you saying Kenny started the personal first when Drake mentioned his wife in push ups stop the fanning bro it's obviously Drake was most mad when you listen to the Heart Part 6 math stop this 🤣
Clearly you’re a delusional Stan, because Kenny literally mentioned his kid first on euphoria, then on meet the grahams even more personal.
Maff was always a drake stan
@@ShortKingTheGoatYou do know push ups was before all those tracks right?
Bruh it’s ok to take your cape off and go tend to your kids lol
@ShortKingTheGoat what are you talking about?push up been out drop drop drop drop drop 😂😂😂
Math is on some sucker 💩
Maybe he is a sucker glad is his new best butt buddie
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Math said “Fcuk reality! Drake won!”😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Best Comment ever😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ion see how math is sayin Kendrick crossed the line first if Drake dropped push ups and Taylor made before Kendrick dropped euphoria. Drake brought up Whitney on push ups Kendrick said u a lacking father and warned him not to go this route let’s keep it rap then Drake kept going that route and Kendrick matched his energy. Math is definitely being biased right now
MATH!!!!! What 14 year old are you texting??? Would you let your daughter text Drake???
They would
Lmao
Exactly! He must be a HUGE Stranger Things fan.
Listen Math trying to justify a man engaging with young girls makes me side eye him
Maff unfortunately will, it’s sad. OvO Math
This guy need to be looked into... he's fighting a little to hard for a relationship with a child
you should be looked into. what are you hiding?
Facts. Math exposing himself so crazy lol he should stop talking especially going against 2 educated ppl
@@jiggaman000 ol "i kno you are but what am I" headass boy 💀
@@jiggaman000I think the person defending a grown man texting a 14 year old that’s not their family member. U defending that? U need to be looked into
Except that's not what he's doing. You should be able to stand on your musical preference without doing all this weirdo shit.
It's crazy how battle rappers talking about someone cross the line .... especially when it comes to drake.... Drake steady talk about other people wife and ish ...
So hypocritical.
I might have misheard, but I don’t think he said “cross the line” as in “oh that’s too far you shouldn’t go there”
He said it as in “cross the own line you are trying to set”. Which Kendrick did do.
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Drake was never the under dog in reference to Kendrick … he elevated quicker , and Kendrick just now today proved that’s no longer a discussion
Kendrick has never and will never be a better Rapper than Drake. Y'all prefer his pandering socially conscious subject matter. Everything after GKMC has been corny or boring. He doesn't have the 'wit' or the charisma or an interesting enough story to be THE GUY.
Anybody saying Drake won does not respect hip hop
Drake won and I've forgotten more Hip Hop than you've ever known homeboy. Y'all are 'fake' Rap fans that think liking Kendrick 'validates' you. The reality is most dudes that REALLY KNOW what's up, think that Kendrick is corny. He had ONE album in GKMC that deserves praise. Everything else has been corny or boring. He got his boots SMOKED by Drake in this battle
@onyxonyx4744 lol
Brother, you lookin mighty compromised....
Optically, streaming wise, and strategically, he won. The advantage that Drake usually has in support and numbers he objectively lost. That's is a shocker to dang near everyone.
He took the sails out of his best track in Family matters. To be able to sway public opinion in that way is masterful. If you watch the reactions to the song, it shows you this very thing. People walked outta the song sorry and remorseful for Adonis. 😆
If we go by Drake and his fans metric (numbers) he lost on this front. This is the biggest one that should tell everyone that here is your winner. Where you excel is precisely where you lost. Go check the numbers on streaming. Go check the like to dislike ratio on UA-cam.
@@onyxonyx4744 you can like his music more, sure. Doesn't remove the fact that he lost. And that's alright. He'll keep making his bubble gum music.
@@onyxonyx4744 Lil homie my ears have forgotten more hip hop then you’ve ever heard! The fact you think drake won shows you don’t know anything about this hip hop shit!!! Homeboy got ethered then dropped a “diss track” (heart pt 6) sounding like he about to cry!?! 🤣
Drake got exposed as a liar and a fraud!
Shit pass me what you puffin on loco!!!
@@onyxonyx4744you are obviously compromised. I was born the same year hip hop was conceived and I have never heard a rapper as goo's and intelligent as Mr. Lamar.
I'm sorry, texting a 14 y/o girl "I miss you so much", as a 30+ y/o grown ahh man, is 1000% weirdo F.A.N. behavior. There's no justification for that unless it's your daughter. And the fact that this is only 1 of MANY questionable instances from this dude with underage girls points directly to that "groomer" tag. It's completely earned imo 🤷🏾♀️
Shut up
Factz💯
No it’s not. That’s literally nothing. I miss you so much? Is that sexual? Is that an invite for sex? Y’all so thirsty to make any & everyone a criminal
Period!
Unless it’s your daughter..There’s is zero excuse
Math need to stop. Drake gave math some bread for a battle or some shit cuz he arguing against facts and he playing devils advocate too much.. and also hip hop ass people still ain’t cool with ghostwriters. Not if you want to be respected as too emcee. You’re not in the top three conversation if you don’t write your own shit. Math is buggin. Man stop. It’s a reason you outnumbered here
Math is REACHING just to validate his weak ass points 😭
He’s not teachable
It's feeling weird. He hasn't let it go and it's been over a week
Math is not a good debater. A lot of his points feel like they are not well thought out ands it's emotion and off the cuff.
What is a reach is that Ken beat Drake. Wack beats, lackluster rhymes ya dead
Shorty cooked Math whole episode 😂
Kendrick went directly at Drake on Like That, then Drake went below the belt mentioning Dots wife on Push Ups. From that point on, the gloves were off stop the cap. Kendrick did what he had to and handled business.
Kendrick didn't 'handle' anything. He lost lyrically. ''I'm what the culture feeling''. He fed off of the jealous, industry Drake 'hate' with little to no bars for most of the battle. HE didn't do much of anything. He pandered to the fake woke/xenophobic/colorist crowd and made a pedophile anthem and people were dumb enough to ignore his weak rapping
Math ok texting and DMing a 13yr old girl? That's weird bro.
Yep, it's sus'!I had to unsub from the channel a while ago, Sub Zero exposed Math for dealing with the Zionist...
Yall are weird lmao.
He was a child actor. At the time, she was the biggest child actor.
She has denied him being anything weird to her, and even defended his character as a great mentor in the industry.
COULD it be some weirdo shit behind the scenes? It could, but could it also be totally innocuous like BOTH sides claim? Absolutely and it’s weird that people can’t fathom that.
@@BlakeZeb OK so now explain the Womens HS basketball games and drake going out w shorty as soon as she turned 18....It's all about context so lets not leave that out and see why people can't fathom that being regular...btw I listen to drake more than kenny but damnn kenny cooked.
@@AlbertoDelacruz92 You mean the basketball team his goddaughter was on, and a girl he didn’t do anything sexual with? Yeah what about that one?
If the shorty that turned 18 you’re talking about is that time he supposedly rented out a restaurant (only one I’m aware of) that girl flat out said she was in an entire different state when it happened. He was just with a girl that looked similar and tabloids ran with it.
@@AlbertoDelacruz92 That’s kinda what I’m saying man. I didn’t like Drake before all this but when I started digging into it because of this beef… I can’t find the fire, just the smoke people blew
Kendrick won clearly!
America won
Clearly how? Wit them wack azz beats, lackluster rhymes, and only 3 diss topics. YALL nuts
@@Goldengame78Right? If you’re going to spend 3-4 tracks all with the exact same angles… I expect a little more work done to PROVE those angles and not just rely on the internet to carry a narrative for you.
Kendrick might’ve won the battle for the masses but he’s lost a lot of his aura for me.
Math got the timeline wrong. So his whole argument is wrong.
Never knew Math loved Drake this much lol everybody be looking at him sideways anytime he defends Drake especially when he obviously got COOKED against Pusha and Kendrick 😂🤣😂
This women actually brings brain cells to this conversation. Definitely appreciate y’all including her.
People don’t even consider Drake mentioning Whitney in Push Ups to make their point. And what all Kendrick did was 1. responded to Whitney getting mentioned because he was not gonna let it slide and it was 1 for 1 and 2. that he put out a warning literally to not push it further!
And then Drake pushes it further and then rest is history! It’s simple to understand if you consider all the things and not skip any (may be due to being subconsciously biased for some reason or just being consciously biased)
And not take shit seriously about Drake?? Im outta here.
Exactly
I can’t believe the glaze math is doing on Drake
Drake is heavily involved in battle rap culture.
@@bruh...imnotgoodatnothing.4084
Drake is heavily involved in sneak dissing, and attacking rappers' significant others and women. Drake is no battle rapper.
@@allyzm1027he said involved means he put some money somewhere in them circles
Plenty of battle rappers are glazing Drake. It's pathetic lol
Believe real bars bro, it's a battle not an art contest or crime mystery who done it documentary.
No debate Kendrick killed him lyrically and artistically, Math Dick Riding.
U crazy lol!!!! Wack beats, lackluster rhymes
Why is Math not getting how weird it is for a grown man to text a 13 year old
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
WTF 😂😂😂😂
Math is okay with grown men texting 13 year old girls as long as it's not "sexual." Dude has no common sense whatsoever.
What is math talking about? Drake on pushups mentioned his girl and that’s when Kendrick took the gloves off
No. Kendrick dissed drake first on that song with future
@@billybillz4443no. They’re talking about who mentioned family first. Learn to comprehend first Billy.
@billybillz4443 comprehension is important bro
Nigga said I be with them body guards like Whitney? Whats the diss?
@@xl576 to comprehend one must watch/read the passage. And that i didnt do haha
Drake reading his lyrics off his phone during his Hot 97 freestyle was the first time I questioned Drake’s knowledge and respect for the culture
tha infamous Funk Flex reading off his Blackberry "freestyle" ... Flex btw also dickriding Aubrey
Blackberry was paying rappers to do that
@@doloking7667Foh with that lame argument. That was goofy period. It’s Flex & that ain’t Hip Hop.
@@Skywalker721 FACTS
Method Man freestyled using his cell phone on Sway in the Morning......so what are you gonna say that Meth isnt legendary? Man stop being fake and praise these two different artist and give them the props for what they have done for the culture.
Math is looking crazy right now. Defending a man, text a 13yr is weird, and saying it's fine. At least i know not to have my children around him. Math needs help.
Grow up, weirdo
You are creep, u don’t know what their relationship is, but assuming something sexual just means it’s something you’re capable of doing. Which is nasty.
Sorry math she is right , kendrick brought back that hip hop feeling again, drakes been out and he actually made it into artificial rap, one is sugar cane and one is corn fructose syrup, and you know which is which!
Math caping like CRAZY for Drake. Going to all lengths
Math is weird as fuck for defending Drake's creep behavior.😳 Creeps defending creeps😅
Stop it he’s trying to be unbias and objective by playing devils advocate
@@BigOnBigSXTyeah but don’t be unbiased when it comes to what’s inappropriate behavior towards kids!
@@BigOnBigSXThe can try all he wants he does not come off as unbiased here. He def seems like a drake Stan and is constantly throwing Kendrick under the bus this whole clip. Nothing abt his stance seems unbiased from what I’m watching
"KiKi... do you love me"...???
Nah. He kept it real. U just ain't.
Math sure is making a lot of exceptions that he doesn’t usually make for other people for Drake lol
Math acting like Cortez ain't wrote barz for him
He’s compromised
Cause Drake smashed Ken
I think some of these dudes be paid opposition or UMG reach is really that long. I don’t think many of these dudes have a free tongue to speak their natural feelings because it can cost them some sort of recognition or money. I used to listen to MEO often, but when the lingo started to sound suspect I left.
I said this same thing!! He knows this is out of his character. Could he be one of Drake's Ghost Writers? Or is Drake paying him? I don't get this. He lost!! IF Drake won after saying that wasn't Kendrick's Kid, we would not be having this discussion... This has nothing to do with RACE... It has more to do with misappropriating the culture... I am the Biggest Fan of Eminem.. He is my GOAT... You can see the ginuwine person in him. He is him. He admits his influences. He raps about his world... He STANDS for something... Kendrick basically pointed out why Drake is a FRAUD.. and yall tryna make it seem like this Battle was only won because of TEA??!?! That's not the ONLY REASON why he won... Beside's isn't that how you win a Battle Rap, MATH??
Yea they’re clearly forgetting drake LIED about giving kendrick false information with those same items…That wasn’t a clout chase. Drake lied and got exposed.
I consider myself a Kendrick fan, and think you gotta listen with a critical ear to pick up on everything. That said…
Drake didn’t say he fed the picture. Yall being too hasty with interpretation.
He said he fed the daughter info, and that you gotta FACT CHECK things like the items in the picture. He didn’t say that stuff was fed.
That absolutely can be read as “yeah, someone sent you a pic of some random items. I know when I lost that shit, and I know it don’t prove shit.”
@@BlakeZeblisten to heart part 6 again. Drake said they gave him those items
@@juliustolbert317 Trust me, I did before I started saying it.
“You gotta learn to fact check things and be less impatient
Your fans are rejoicin', thinkin' this is my expiration
Even the picture you used, the jokes and the medication
The Maybach glove and the drug he uses for less inflation
Master manipulator, you bit on the speculation”
Not did Drake throw out abuse accusations, but he also claimed Kendrick’s kid was actually his friends kid and that his wife cheated… math is on the ovo payroll.
Yall don't understand podcasting. It's calling playing devil's advocate. Show would be boring and the comments, like yours, wouldn't be going crazy if everybody just agreed and went home.
@@youngatwistano but he’s saying some stupid biased inaccurate stuff. Like why is he acting like Kendrick’s bars were taken from somewhere but no mention of drakes bars, he just listed ALL KENdrick. He keeps trying to make the playing field even and it’s not. Drake lost and he seems in denial over that
@youngatwista So if that's the case, Math should let someone else play that role. SMH.... Also it is very popular to make it know to say, "To be devils advocate" ............... 🤷🏽♂️
Aaaaand, telling her to shake that ass for Freeze and shake that ass for me. 😱 And NOBODY talks about that. That's an ass-whooping. Ion care
@@youngatwistaand debating in bad faith is poor podcasting because he’s lying & disingenuous about who crossed the line first. He acted like Drake only mentioned Whitney in one bar in a harmless way, but he mentioned her more than once on pushups & he was insinuating the mother of Kendrick’s children cheated & had a baby with one of his close friends. At least be genuine in your argument homie.
Math ain’t making no sense. Because the implication isn’t aimed at Adonis. He is directing the emphasis on Drake’s lack of parenting. That’s an indictment on Drake, that has zero ramifications on Adonis. Period. Frame it how you want, fam. But it ain’t the same thing. Kendrick warned him, repeatedly.
Drake suggested that they’re bodyguards were too close to Whitney. What was the Bodyguard about? A sexual relationship between a bodyguard and his benefactor.
Why is it that every interaction with Drake, involving an underage person, they happen to be a female. Never a little successful male child. Does that not make alarms go off in your spirit?
This was a TOP TIER discussion/breakdown, etc btw. Lovin the new content MATH! Great guest too! She knows he shit!
The Youngins don’t care about having ghost writers, jacking swag or lyrics. BBL Drizzy is the quintessential Sucka MC.
He Def comes to mind when listening to the pioneers speaking (pioneer speakers) on sucka mc’s
Trying to validate texting a thirteen year old 😂😂😂 this is the expert opinion.
😂😂😂
He's texting a 14 year old celebrity.
@@xoioioioioio8084 what’s your point besides stating the obvious?
@@brian4rmthewoodclearly the 14 year old celebrities parents monitor their conversations and business relationships so what's it to you bozo
@@RoseBarber-uf4bf lmao, math calm down. You’re the only bozo here trying to justify this sucka behavior. Keep going off tho.
Math u tripping smh they must a paid u
Nah, Drake won
@@Goldengame78As someone that went in with a huge bias in favor of Kendrick…
I agree. People aren’t thinking as critically as they wanna think they are.
Drake slayed that shit on almost every front, flipped every angle, but if you only look at a surface level…. Maybe you can say Kendrick won. He played into narratives people WANT to believe but didn’t do anything to prove them any more than the internet already had, while saying things that can’t even be proven false.
What Drake said can easily be proven false but it hasn’t been… that should raise eyebrows.
@bakariwalker854 cap he contradict his self the whole battle. In battle rap this happens all the time
@@eyemeal How?
I feel like Kendrick contradicted himself more. Such as trying to shame Drake as a deadbeat (despite him not being that as far as we know) while opening up the beef on a track with Future.
@@BlakeZeb how the fuck he win if you didn’t even write this shit? It is a simple as that nonetheless.
Im about 20 minutes in, and im already thinking about not finishing. Lmao math is BUGGING.
“I haven’t heard a Sexyy Red song in weeks” and then Drake’s first drop after the beef is a Sexyy Red song lmfao this guys is a clown
And thats Math man lol
my ears still hurt from hearing that hook, like which studio engineer put their name on that trash???
Hoffa, it's concerning that you don't know or understand what inappropriate behavior is, or the perception as it relates to children...really tellibg convo
Facts. I think he’s guilty of something
How many pockets is Drake lacing with these defenses? Now battle rap has CNN rules?
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Math talking some BS. Homie is really trying to get that Drake interview bad! 😂😂😂
Nah, Drake won. That’s the truth
So Joe Budden wants Kenderick interview
Math twisting up the facts to make his invalid points. Bro felt like kendrick called him a bad father.
Math you sound crazy bro I still can’t see Kendrick just throwing that out to win he has always stood on integrity and stated don’t tell no lies about me and I want tell truths about you
Where Kendrick said " your best work is a light pack". He was referring to Daylyt writing for Drake
Nice try but na he ain’t that clever
Kendrick Won. People who are saying other wise just because they want Drake on they show or cause he’s super popular mainstream , how can you be respected on any aspect when it comes to discussions on HipHop?
Y’all putting popularity over real skill
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Is making a whole diss track based on false info respectable? U Stan's just can't accept people don't share your opinion it's ok to disagree you sound emotional asf
@@RobsSXT so Drake putting out false claims about Kendrick Wife is respectable? Or the fact that he went on some personal shit because he couldn’t just see Kendrick with straight bars, but you overlook that right?
@@SuperbNProsper didn't answer the question Stan.
@@RobsSXT of course it is. Majority of diss songs aren’t completely 100% accurate , without some extra added punches for shock value.
Don’t ask a dumb question bruh. Especially when Drake did the same thing.
Drake lost and will forever have the PDF Downloader stench on him
facts but in due time he’ll get used to it. His music will still thrive but forever get clowned on
@jcityhustla617 nah Drake won 3-2
This is one of those debates where Math Hoffa loses credibility with each comment he makes.
Kendrick won. Meanwhile BBL Drake is doubling down on being a colonizing lame. That Sexyy Red verse was 💩 Master Bedroom? Really!?
I'm not even sure they listened to the tracks... Math looking sus to me why you defending talking to a 13 year old bruh
Kendrick Lamar won every round if you ask me.
Stockholm, Sweden 🇸🇪
Drake said WHITNEY, used 2PAC early if you remember. Kendrick then warned Drake Back-to-Back. Then Drake dropped Family Matters…… the rest is history 😂 Stop playing with Kendrick…. he will turn you into a song 😂😂 That battle wasn’t even close. Drake got WASHED
Again washed is a stretch, big Sean was washed, but it is true you have to fact check this and what Kendrick said the girl on stage came out and said that was a lie where is the proof, but drake did put up a wife
@@wowthatssocrazy7920 washed not a stretch. He let him make the rules each step. He out rapped him, out bopped him, out styled him, out streamed him. He won in every aspect
@@TaydaMada510 idk bopped and rapped sure idc about style but as a song in general Idk family matters kinda slaps🤷🏾♂️, and technically those claims Kendrick made was debunked so what he said wasn’t the truth
Kendrick got washed y’all tripping
@@wowthatssocrazy7920 You don’t care about style so what slapped about Family Matters that didn’t slap on Euphoria? Only thing debunked is the daughter claim what else has been debunked? Cease and desist? Feature request? Fvcked on Wayne’s girl and got a tat? Baka’s case? Chubbs sniffing?
A Brooklyn legend saying K. Dot went too far. Sheesh. Makes K. Dot verse stick.
Going too far is making up nonsense without any proof. They both went too far. Pusha came with FACTS which is why his diss HIT.
Her claim if the Pulitzer mind didn’t work in a battle. Beat for beat, punch for punch, joke for joke, and this whole thing hasn’t been scored right. You totally didn’t even count Taylor Made. Take your feelings out of it and it was a great chess move that predicted things accurately.
Drake opened it up on push ups when he mentioned Kendrick’s wife
No one discusses the culture vulture shit around Drake when discussing the battle.
Drake is not a culture vulture though.
Because it's total bullshit. It's illogical and dumb
Right! It’s mad annoying, I’ve never respected his music because of his vulturous ways
@@UnderdogBTcan you say that when this nigga was Jamaican one year and then “Londonese” the next? We all knew that wasn’t originally him.
i hear what you're trying to say but i disagree with the terminology:
drake's artistry and lifestyle has always been Hip Hop.....post-degrassi😉
a (culture) vulture is a being that swoops down picks what they want/need (from the culture) then flys away --- back to their real identity
•Justin Bieber was a culture vulture
•DJ Vlad is NOT a culture vulture
•JenniferLopez was a culture vulture
•Eminem is NOT a culture vulture
•Miley Cyrus was a culture vulture
and damn Kid Rock turned out to be one of the worst culture vultures
now we can call Drake a "LEECH" of rapping and music styles but definitely not a "culture vulture". he lives this and has been this since his first mixtape
p.s jury still out on Tyla lol
Math where im from if u were to get caught texting a minor u gonna get GOT!!
Believe it or not even hardcore criminals have morals, that shit is foul bro.
Besides all the alegations Kendrick destroyed drake, wss bot even close
I rock with Math, but I almost turned this shit off multiple times… homeboy is flailing… texting your niece isn’t anywhere in the same fucken universe as texting a fucken minor with no relations to you!!!!!!
Smh
Damn Math…
Yall still tryna have discussions about the "truth" completely missing the point of the beef in general. Kendrick told Drake not start off by telling lies and we seen how that played out, all Drake had to was keep it rap friendly and leave the personal shit out.
Bro what the fk is math talking about?
Corny af
Drake won, n that’s the truth
@@Goldengame78and then you woke up😂
@@healthwealthself Nah. I know music…I lived to witness UGK drop “Top notch hoes”, and u can’t tell me that sht Ken dropped was hot, yall insane
@@Goldengame78 it was over when Family Matters did not beat Euphoria...the rest was a beatdown
This was supposed to be a friendly exhibition within the game, but you fecked up the moment you called out my family's name. I guess that went over Maths head.
Its the fact that grown men refuse to believe what they see and what people show them Kendrick has always shown who he was and always stood on who and what he believed no matter what people in the industry or the public had to say. So why would he all of a sudden throw his integrity out the window to win a rap beef we have seen for yrs that Drake has had inappropriate relationships with underage girls and y'all trying to turn this back on Kendrick.
There’s no proof
There's no way around the fact that if all the stuff you say is "evidence" is in the public sphere, he would have BEEN locked up.
Are you serious? How long did the Diddy allegations and evidence float around before action was taken? How long did the R Kelly allegations and in our face proof go around before action was taken? How long did the Epstein and Weinstein allegations and proof float around until actions were taken? How long did the Jay Z and Foxy brown allegations and proof when she was 15 of them sleeping together? Please I can go on forever this has always been apart of the industry since I was a teenager and you know why nobody ever speaks up because when they did every single one of them died mysteriously. We in a time now where all parts of the industry is being exposed. That he would have been locked up line is the goofiest shit I ever heard, is Diddy locked up? Are u proud of your ability to remain ignorant or are you choosing to remain ignorant?
@@MrSfisher964 All of that shit is speculation. None of those other situations have shit to do with 53 missing seconds on a security camera. You're mentally ill. You can't separate online bullshit from reality and it's sad. And again...either way....what the fuck are you going to do about it? If you feel that strongly then keep calling and emailing law enforcement back to back and tell them all this shit. What the fuck are you and the comment section going to do if all that is true?
@@MrSfisher964 Also everyone you mentioned that got locked up had actual victims pressing charges. Not s bunch of idiot ass conspiracy theories with a 6th grade reading level
Yo MATH, you might not ever see this but I swear when you debate try taking a breath before saying your response especially about something as serious as pedophilia and grooming underage kids. You sound absolutely nuts for saying those conversations with that little girl wasn't weird. Automatically coming back with a rebuttal means you aren't listening and digesting what that person is saying when two people are clearly telling you facts about how this plays out isn't mature or good for your platform. Respect and I hope this can be a learning lesson.
Kendrick WON the battle, hands down. He is the culture, and the evidence resides in his body of work. As far as getting dirty, since when didn't hip hop rap battles get dirty? I also believe that battles are for those who pen, not for ghost writers. Battles are not about hooks and popularity, rather intellect, lyricist, flow/delivery, creativity, intention, commitment to the attack, defense and offense, and real MC'ing.
I agree that Drake is a pop star, and while he may write something for other people, he is no match for Kendrick, and I don't believe he will ever be in Kendrick's league.
I appreciate the insight of everyone in this podcast. It's fun and enlightening to listen to and learn from those who are passionate about hip hop.
Maff is dickriding Drake, Kendrick won Drake countless times before he went to Drake personal life
No he didnt
@@billpeart4809go to the heart pt 6 comment section and u tell me if he won…. he got more dislikes than likes and everyone is roasting this dude . so much backlash
@@Youngxfatal93That shit is fake. How does dude have a million dislikes but a million people didn't buy Kendrick's last joint? Y'all are being fake
@@Peacekeepa317what do the two things have to do with each other? You one of them ppl who so convinced that you smarter than everybody else that you say stupid stuff, aren’t you?
I just had to unsubscribe from this Math BS
Kendrick proved he was better than drake in 2013 w/ "fuckin problem" #bodiedthem
Stop it
I'm a Kendrick fan, but that's a crazy reach right there
@@zGrover402 its not a crazy reach he talking to truth
@@zGrover402😂 bar for bar kendricks verse was better.
this is why reading comprehension is important, one shorty is saying that drake said kendrick is hiding a child, that’s not what drake said, he said that kendrick doesn’t pose with his child, like drake does with adonis, which only comes back to bite him in the ass, cause he only uses adonis as a photo opp
2. you’re a a bad father is not the same thing as a deadbeat
3. drake did cross the line first, drake brought names into this
Drake been begging for this he even had a blow up on Marcellus Wiley show talking about how he is so much better then Kindred just ranting and going in...the same way he got butt hurt behind the control verse. His ego got the best of him and he got humbled.