I got this jacket from you recently. I thought I’d get one before the cold weather started to ensure I got one, knowing delivery and availability can be an issue on some products at this time. The jacket is brilliant. You don’t even know you’re wearing it, it’s light, comfortable and my outer jacket slides over the top much easier than the original Rukka liner I used to use. 👍
I used down jacket all winter in Australia as a mid layer with merino as a base layer. Wish I did it years ago. Warmest I've ever been without the bulk.
Chris - You know that I love all of you guys vids, and having forgotten to try a Down X on when I was with Sean 2 weeks ago, this one is well confusing mate. You seem to be saying that in order to avoid wind chill, wear (lets call it) the Klim "Gossamer" UNDER a Downex. That suggests to me that you are proposing the Down X as your top layer, and I have to say, having just bought a Stadler suit from ya, I would rather be sliding down the road in that, even with the poor thermal liner - but being wind, water and ........ abrasion proof, rather that trying to stop the wind through a Down X with a wind proof base later. Methinks you hit the shandy too early today mate 👀
I really enjoy these reviews and have been looking at quite a few repeatedly as I think it is time for a new textile suit. Typically I discard the thermal liners in my jackets and trousers as they tend to be pretty rubbish. I have a variety of base layers, fleeces, jumpers and down jackets I use instead. I use a merino base layer and build on that. I have actually found a cashmere sweater to be a great mid layer which can be worn off the bike too when touring.
Should it be the other way around? put merino base layer, down jacket over it and this midlayer membrane over all I wear base layer under KLIM Torque which is under Badlands (Gtx pro) outer shell. There is no use to keep winproof membrane close to your body and non windproof down gear over it. Strong cold wind will eat all thermal benefits of down jacket so u have cold just against your membrane which alone is bad isolator.
I've a BMW enduroguard suit, so no thermal layer... This is a serious contender to be a future buy... Can anyone explain me what are the temperatures that you can be confortable with it!? Like °10 to °- 10!?
Wrong address. Problem is.... that ML does not test it on the road against elements. 90% reviews are done in studio without experience. In 10% they use (one or two) employee maneken who wears some of a gears
Pants are and undergarment. Pant is short of breath. I’m saving up for a Rukka two piece waterproof suit, when trousers are back in fashion I’ll buy one. Lots of good information though.
I am looking at the Uniqlo (brand you mention in the description) and it's £59.90 (90/10 down/feather), so I'd like to (genuinely) understand why pay over three times more for this Rukka (also 90/10) ...?
Just because both jackets have the same proportion of down to feathers, it doesn’t mean they perform the same. The other critical factor is volume, and both the Rukka and the Belstaff contain much more of the expensive stuff. That’s why they’re better and warmer. Depends really how badly you feel the cold. Undoubtedly, the Uniqlo version represents better value, but the fact is that it’s nowhere near as warm. Billy, a chap who used to work here, bought a Uniqlo one. Being young, and knowing no better, he thought he had been clever, but in a head-to-head he had to concede that his jacket didn’t come close to the Rukka in terms of insulation.it didn't need a stuff sack; it was so empty of filling you could have stashed it in your back pocket.
@@Motolegends Thanks for the reply Chris! Indeed I've been researching this topic and it's interesting how many variables there are besides down/feathers %, such as fill power, warm/weight ratio, baffles dimensions etc.
This down-x sheds its insulation through the material & I normally look like a half plucked chicken after use, I did return it to rukka for investigation, the outcome was they agree it looses some of the filling but it's an acceptable level
Hi Chris you mentioned merino wool base and mid layers. You were discribing the weights of the garments and I wondered if you could please go into that with a bit more detail. I am interested in purchasing only merino wool items _ base layer / mid layer and a polo neck jumper under the riding jacket. I'm not sure what is meant by the (weight). Iv read that it's best to go for a supper fine base layer and a heavier mid layer but I'm not sure if I have that right??
I got this jacket from you recently. I thought I’d get one before the cold weather started to ensure I got one, knowing delivery and availability can be an issue on some products at this time.
The jacket is brilliant. You don’t even know you’re wearing it, it’s light, comfortable and my outer jacket slides over the top much easier than the original Rukka liner I used to use. 👍
I used down jacket all winter in Australia as a mid layer with merino as a base layer. Wish I did it years ago. Warmest I've ever been without the bulk.
Chris - You know that I love all of you guys vids, and having forgotten to try a Down X on when I was with Sean 2 weeks ago, this one is well confusing mate. You seem to be saying that in order to avoid wind chill, wear (lets call it) the Klim "Gossamer" UNDER a Downex. That suggests to me that you are proposing the Down X as your top layer, and I have to say, having just bought a Stadler suit from ya, I would rather be sliding down the road in that, even with the poor thermal liner - but being wind, water and ........ abrasion proof, rather that trying to stop the wind through a Down X with a wind proof base later. Methinks you hit the shandy too early today mate 👀
I really enjoy these reviews and have been looking at quite a few repeatedly as I think it is time for a new textile suit. Typically I discard the thermal liners in my jackets and trousers as they tend to be pretty rubbish. I have a variety of base layers, fleeces, jumpers and down jackets I use instead. I use a merino base layer and build on that. I have actually found a cashmere sweater to be a great mid layer which can be worn off the bike too when touring.
Should it be the other way around?
put merino base layer, down jacket over it and this midlayer membrane over all
I wear base layer under KLIM Torque which is under Badlands (Gtx pro) outer shell.
There is no use to keep winproof membrane close to your body and non windproof down gear over it. Strong cold wind will eat all thermal benefits of down jacket so u have cold just against your membrane which alone is bad isolator.
Down's very warm but useless when wet so the extra windproof would be more effective on top.
Absolutely agree mate - as per the reply I just added 👍
I've a BMW enduroguard suit, so no thermal layer... This is a serious contender to be a future buy... Can anyone explain me what are the temperatures that you can be confortable with it!? Like °10 to °- 10!?
Wrong address. Problem is.... that ML does not test it on the road against elements. 90% reviews are done in studio without experience.
In 10% they use (one or two) employee maneken who wears some of a gears
Pants are and undergarment. Pant is short of breath. I’m saving up for a Rukka two piece waterproof suit, when trousers are back in fashion I’ll buy one. Lots of good information though.
I am looking at the Uniqlo (brand you mention in the description) and it's £59.90 (90/10 down/feather), so I'd like to (genuinely) understand why pay over three times more for this Rukka (also 90/10) ...?
Just because both jackets have the same proportion of down to feathers, it doesn’t mean they perform the same. The other critical factor is volume, and both the Rukka and the Belstaff contain much more of the expensive stuff. That’s why they’re better and warmer. Depends really how badly you feel the cold. Undoubtedly, the Uniqlo version represents better value, but the fact is that it’s nowhere near as warm. Billy, a chap who used to work here, bought a Uniqlo one. Being young, and knowing no better, he thought he had been clever, but in a head-to-head he had to concede that his jacket didn’t come close to the Rukka in terms of insulation.it didn't need a stuff sack; it was so empty of filling you could have stashed it in your back pocket.
@@Motolegends Thanks for the reply Chris! Indeed I've been researching this topic and it's interesting how many variables there are besides down/feathers %, such as fill power, warm/weight ratio, baffles dimensions etc.
This down-x sheds its insulation through the material & I normally look like a half plucked chicken after use, I did return it to rukka for investigation, the outcome was they agree it looses some of the filling but it's an acceptable level
Hi Chris you mentioned merino wool base and mid layers. You were discribing the weights of the garments and I wondered if you could please go into that with a bit more detail. I am interested in purchasing only merino wool items _ base layer / mid layer and a polo neck jumper under the riding jacket. I'm not sure what is meant by the (weight). Iv read that it's best to go for a supper fine base layer and a heavier mid layer but I'm not sure if I have that right??
We are working on a taking on a wider merino range so watch this space for details.
@@Motolegends 👍😁
I think this sounds like good value, although I don't need it in Thailand.
No mate - but having lived there - watch out for pot holes 😘
@@paulsmyth497 I ride around them, Paul. Bit like I did in London.
Nice gear but the feathers keep escaping and covering the inside of my jacket, its a pain.
What is down filling power of the jacket?
700
Does it effect what size jacket you have to buy
No, packs down very slim under jacket so no bulkier than a regular layer.