Marten Hagstrom on the Meshuggah M80M Ibanez 8-string signature model
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2013
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Ibanez sat down with Marten Hagstrom of Meshuggah to discuss the new M80M signature 8-string guitar. The instrument features an Ash body, 5pc Maple/Walnut 29.4" neck, Jumbo frets, Rosewood fingerboard, FX Edge III bridge, and the Lundgren Model M8P pickup. Check it out at an Ibanez dealer near you or at www.ibanez.com!
![Rig Rundown - Meshuggah's Fredrik Thordendal, Mårten Hagström, & Dick Lövgren [2013]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oAFJmgA2G5E/mqdefault.jpg)
"Cost a bit less" is an understatement. This was actually a brilliant move by Ibanez.
I used to try to imitate 7 string songs with my 6. Now I have a 7, and I imitate 8 string songs with my 7. Fuck man...
+MiiLkyToKes67 Just buy Digitech Drop pedal, you won't need another guitar again.
+Hans Wurst actually the brooklyn bridge is his latest lower string.
MiiLkyToKes67 when you upgrade to an 8 you'll be imitating 9 string songs.
7 is enough i think personally. haha
hahaha poor people
Pretty sure anyone who says they suck at guitar clearly hasn't listened to them at all... Even the people I know who hate metal recognise how incredibly good they are
Literally have never once seen a single person say this. Is this actually a thing? They are insanely good guitarists.
@@KyleDanielson42I don’t think anyone says that. More likely this guy just made it up to sound smart for disagreeing with someone who doesn’t exist.
i just saw someone saying they are bad at guitar. so yes those people do exist. maybe they are trolling?@@sigiligus
They far from suckin on guitar wtf ? Lmao 🤣 wow… I’ve seen them live and they sound exactly like the fuckin albums. Best sounding show I’ve ever been to as well.
Monster scale. Remembering my bass playing times
Gotta have it to get that F to not sound like utter crap
@@Chuggsbigman Yeah, I have this model, and the scale length obviously is quite something to get used to, but it's worth it to have that massive tone. And even with this length, it's borderline muddy. I can't understand how 8-strings are commonly 27 inches, it seems the 29,4 is pretty much required for the tone to hold up at all.
Chuggsbigman Nah. Architects tunes to F# on their lowest 6th string on a 25.5” scale guitar (Josh Middleton) and it sounds great. It’s all preference. I’m honestly surprised Ibanez ever green lit a guitar like this for production. I guess I’m biased since I’m not a big baritone fan to begin with but nearly 30” is borderline unplayable as a guitar for most styles unless you want to only cover Meshuggah and Meshuggah-esque styles of metal.
@@MK4vDubbin Why is it unplayable? I’m looking at getting an 8-string myself.
i remember when meshuggah opened for tool
I have met Marten in MONTREAL (Metropolis)
this man is so kind and WHAT AN AWESOME MUSICIAN
He is not snooty at all... I LOVE HIM
Apparently everyone who claims they "suck at guitar" has never heard Frederik Thordendal's Special Defects. Or actually listened to a full Meshuggah album, for that matter.
are you saying that meshuggah sucks?
Who gave up 7 strings? All the guys who were playing them in the 90's are still playing them today.
Ex: Korn, Steve Vai, John Petrucci
John plays an 8 string now
@@Xiphos1349 But that's only for select songs. The bulk is still 6 and 7 strings.
I demo'd this guitar today to see if it was worth the price, after already spending $900 on an Ibanez 7 String Iron Label RGIR27FE which i've now had for over a year and its been my one and only guitar after getting rid of my old starter strat copy.
It's absolutely worth it, it's huge but lighter than i thought, a Gibson Les Paul is heavier than this still, and even with a 5 second tweak on the amp in the shop the tone was already beast.
Its not muddy even with the factory half step downtuning, and after 5 minutes i was already convinced enough to put a deposit on one at $1800
So keen to shred on this beastly instrument, hopefully my Blackstar ID 15 TVP can do it justice, or I'm about to get a serious case of Gear Acquirement Syndrome
I've had an Ibanez RG7421 for about a year with a set of SD blackout 7's. Does this guitar match mine sound and quality-wise? I'm interested in an 8 string.
+Jason Yonda To put it simply, in some ways, the M80M is light-years beyond the 7421, but it also only has one pickup and one volume. It's not the best if you are looking for versatility, but it excels at what it was made for, which is crystal-clear rhythm playing at the brown-note. The neck is pretty much the longest one you can find in a baritone guitar, which gives you insane clarity, but also makes it way harder to play than a 7421. It's somewhere in between your guitar and a bass. Personally, I'd get a further mastery of the 7-banger before you try moving on to 8. It feels alot weirder to transition from 7 to 8 than from 6 to 7. With the two extra strings, it kinda throws your mind for a loop when you're trying to play stuff that wasn't intended for an 8-string, which I do quite a bit on mine, since the tones are so brutal. I absolutely love Lundgren p/ups. They kick the crap out of SD and Dimarzio, that's for sure.
I will definitely agree, my Ibanez 7 string RG is basically a different instrument in comparison, the frets on the m80m are way spaced apart, making shred playing very difficult, but youre right too, the chugs are super crisp which is very necessary for the technical rhythm playing of meshuggah and similar bands
you won't regret it, this guitar is incredible.
wait wait, who actually claims they suck? They're fucking great guitar players and Thordendal is an amazing soloist.
Thats kinda what they are after, especially in their newer work. Their main appeal is the 4/4 beat against polyrhythmic time signatures which cannot be broken down within the 4/4 and are notably very variable in their notation within it.
Some melodious moments found in songs such as the Bleed solo and Straws pulled at random are some of the most iconic in their musicianship. At best, it swings between dissonance and harmony at their preferred pace.
Indeed :)
They are very easy to approach
the next time they do a concert in your area, perhaps you'll meet them on the street. \m/ I wish you will
Might try some day...And yes it's beautiful, I have the desert yellow too, I saw it in a shop that ships ibanez guitars here and i new i'd end up having one :D
I just love how it got loud at 1:14 \m/
Got one and love it!
Albert Pike do that!
I got one today! Been wanting one for a new years!! Sooooo stoked!!! 😁
How is it? Im also wanting one
I'm thinking about getting one. How is it?
I'm playing now with this guitar . You can think whatever you want about how it looks but this Lundgren pickup is the best pickup that i tried in a while for an 8 string and also sound great to me on 6th and 7th - taking into account how long is this guitar . I'm starting to think if not get rid of my 7 string guitar... I still need few 6 string guitars , but with this M80M I can get rid of the 7 string guitar...
29.5" scale, that's practically the same as a short scale bass...
agile 8s are 30 inches so there long as hell also
+Scott Gallimore And the bridge starts why up higher on the body compared to the M8.
I used to have an Intrepid 8.
So these are baritone guitars?
Esteban Aguayo 27" is considered baritone.
It’s 750mm, it’s a beast
OLP makes a 30" scale 6 string baritone guitar. I own one! Affordable option if you're trying to learn some Meshuggah songs.
Talk about the titanium rods in the neck! I’m curious to know how that affects tone/stability/playability.
I'd rather buy this if it were the Iceman shape.
+Tate Anderson Frekdrik Thordendal approved your wish in 2015.
They don't use their 8 string Icemans any more because they aren't well balanced.
Gigerian What do you mean they?
Only Fredrik used an iceman.not marten.
Oblique Sustain They both did. Marten quickly stopped playing his, he's the one that publicly complained. Fredrik stopped playing his onstage not long after.
Do you have a link to this news?
"Demiurge" from Meshuggah's "Koloss" album.
2:15 - the best Meshugga's riff ever
***** I have one,34"baritone Takamine Jasmine. Keep it in drop Ab but it goes way lower. Love that guitar. Next one I get from him will have to be in F or drop F. I have the Ibby RG 8 string with a Lundgren M8. Both killer guitars.
interesting, didn't know about that schecter 30", would have to hear how it sounds as it doesn't seem setup for the heavier styles. I would still prefer an 8 string myself so I can have standard tuning on the higher 6 strings and the extra two lower strings when needed but I guess if you have tiny hands and find an 8 string too big then something like this schecter with decent pickups could be an option.
I am, actually. He seems like a really cool dude. They all do.
If you're planing in pre-ordering one you're extreeemely late. It's HEAVILY limited. Pre-ordered mine weeks ago and it's the second wave arriving in Germany, means I get mine somewhere December. 1149€ tho' good price, amazing value!
Its actually a great guitar. :)
Tried it a few days ago.
Try it out! :)
Wow, that's, a lucky one I guess. Several Countries are having the problem of pre-ordering, because of that limitation it as well.
What are your thoughts on it? Cons, Pros? Having a rough time with the scale of that beast or having no inlays?
thanks
what song is that playing at the end? i havent hgeard it before but im lovin that riff
i can't belive just that this is possible
This is a monster!
lundren pickup makes sound great!
What do you mean they don't use them? Freddy plays solos in the high registers / uses the higher strings in a bunch of songs. As for baritone 6 string electric guitars, feel free to post a link to a 29 " scale one, not saying they don't exist but i've never heard of any bigger than 27 " so i'd genuinely like to see it.
For a legitimate *Swedish* guy, *Marten* looks like that cool & friendly uncle from *Texas.*
Congratulations mate! Beatiful isnt it? i ended up getting a Jem just for the Edge 2. But the feeling of both is sublime. Try the new Universe 7 String. UV70P, it feels like playing a 6 string... a brutal 6 string ^^
Gakki is the man!
and yeah the first guitar was hella espensive
Yeah, that sounds about correct with the conversion from aud, I think.
'kay, thanks a lot :)
Hello, does this product still exist? I cant find anyone selling this anymore. Thomann delete the product's page, and i cant find anyone having this available.
schecter hellcat 30", Steinberger Guitars Synapse TranScale ~28,6
Needs more pups, I'll stick to getting the Tosin Abasi sig if i'm going 8 string.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
to tune it in standard,keeping the normal sting gauge (9-65) have you got to change the adjustments of the guitar (trus rod etc.) ??
so much for just a half step down?? the factory tuning is F to D#... are u sure? :)
***** as standard meant F# B E A D G B E,in that case?
Krovy Moloko I still think the standard tuning should be BEADGBEA. Thats just me those, As well as the 9 string being F#BEADGBEA.
Aaron kidd Who's to say that it's not? Guitarists usually think about tuning in all fourths, straight down. If your 8 string is BEADGBEA and mine is F#BEADGBA, then who cares, right? Musicians/guitarists will still know exactly what you're talking about, you're technically correct but I don't there is a universal eight or nine-string "standard" when it comes to tuning.
I have the guitar in your profile pic, if it's Ibanez RG3550 MZ DY... Best guitar I've ever played.
Moree strings!! Moree symbols! Brutal
yup
Actually I'm going to have to agree with Mr. Rompe on this one, even though Ibanez only has a handful of cheaper 8 strings (they don't just have the RG8, there is the new Iron Label 8, the S8, and RGA8 and a few others I think) $1500 is pretty damn steep, considering there are TONS of companies now that offer great 8 strings for much much less. Hell for that price you can order a custom multi-scale agile to your own specifications.
What cheaper 8-strings would you recommend? The only cheap 8-string I saw was the Ibanez RG8.
What is the name of the song in the opening?
Syd Barrett Demiurge
what is the name of the backround song?
You can see on his face it's hard to think of positive things to say about the M80M because its the cheaper version of their best guitar which is the M8M.
to be fair, it is both a signature guitar and has a great pickup while still cheaper than all the ibanez 8 strings besides the RG8
Nice, but I prefer the new Carvin 8 string guitars. You can order it with the specs you want at a very reasonable price; esp. for a custom order!
That waiting period sux. just rang a local guitar store today in Australia and they had one sitting there for sale.. So I picked it up for $1599 AUD.
My local Ibanez dealer said they will be selling these for $2000 (Australian) so probably about $1800 American I guess?
Okay, mixed that up, sorry!
Also I didn't know Ibanez is from Japan, since I am actually a drummer ;P
What song were they playing during soundcheck?
new millenium cyanide christ
Morty Hagro sure knows how to do a djunt
why is this video unlisted :P?
Can someone tell me the name of the first song? Thanks
MrTisjeboy Demiurge
Hi I'm stupid. How do you restring thing thing without access to the springs in the back of the guitar
Nick Simeone
its blocked so you dont need springs at all.
It's not a tremolo. It's a fixed bridge.
Whats that song at the end called?
Pause it at 2:31
There ya go
+Grosso Guitar new millenium cyanide christ
@@mihalyhajdu102 actually its rational gaze
I think it was a joke, seeing the original price, but I agree, it does sound very nice
What's the price of this guitar?
what's the song in this?
is it just me or can u see his soul die a little when he talks about the pricing of that guitar against his true nature? 2:05
I think they didn`t want to make their own soundconcept acessable for everyone. Now that the 8-String is a marketstandart and the Djent-Hype going on he must feel like he lost a fight.
Na not at all. He's just a musician and not a salesman. Philosophical ppl don't care much about money, and you can definitely see this hurt his soul. Ibanez custom makes that specific guitar for him. He probably made a deal early in the bands history to market the guitar for free supplies. He seems to regret it. Who knows maybe all my assumptions are wrong, and he was just sick that day.
iFokshe Pah Tiziano Volante What Tiziano said. Also I might add that I do not believe anything that Marten tells us here because there is a reason the M8M costs 3k more than the M80M. Let`s talk about similar looks and then about quality on a different day. Because there will be a huge difference in quality for sure.
(haha nice dich do z finde, Tiziano ;*)
Crescendo well duh. the problem with that is that it's just elaborated meshuggah emulation someone pretended to be genre. it's NOW different enough, but ... yeah..
Or he's just very stoned xP Philosophical people often smoke stuff :)
Nice short scale bass
this might be the best explanation on why people use 8 strings
you're right most people don't play gigs and don't need Axe FXII but if they want a $2000 and have really good tone quality with Axe FXII as a hobby why not? even if they are amateurs (which isn't even a bad thing because skill isn't everything) they are still entitled to having a hobby.
What about Genesis Series
What’s that song in the beginning
Demiurge on the Koloss Album By Mushuggah
whats the song at 1:39
Tom Dickinson New Millennium Cyanide Christ
name of song please?? =)
WAIT, everyone complained about the pricing of the original model being overpriced so they bring out a cheaper version with the same features pretty much and everyone laughs and moan about it....... I think i might pick one of these up :)
what's the name of the first song ???????
+Aaron Aguilar Demiurge
このギターめっちゃ高いんだよなぁ
Musos Corner (Newcastle) has it for $1700.
"...its actually gonna cost a bit less which is really really good..." Cause 8k for a very minimalistic guitar in a very specific market isn't is nuts at all Ibanez (who do have some of the lowest costs for guitar dealers of any guitar manufacterer )
Sweet 333
wtf this thing is huge!
That's what she said.
You beat me to it...... That's what she said
Im gonna buy this beast and make love to it .......
0:26 "Hi...eh...i'm Yngwie Malmsteen..." LOL
I like how you say it.. distorted dance music haha
Meshuggah will be real fun if you try to cover their songs
Nah, you're forgetting where they also play the 12th and 13th frets of said string.
i sometimes like to listen to death metal when im in an energetic "hardcore" mood. though im not a huge fan of meshuggah, its all about the mood. i like all types of music, it just depends on how im feeling at the moment. everything from jazz and classical to the occasional dubstep song can be enjoyed with the right mindset.
okay :)
Yeah fo'real, I mean most of us started learning on one string then moved to others, some went to 6 some went to 7 and 8, these guys have enough talent to make entire compositions on 1 string, within 3 frets. It's insane!!
Ash body? Can't believe it
CHUG LIFE...That is all...
whats teh difference between the M8M and the M80M? I mean teh M80M is a lot cheaper, but where's the bad thing about it then?
i guess the bolt on neck helps in making it cheaper...
why dont you ever hear Fredrik speak in an interview??
Sir Ancap
Because Fredrik doesnt really like speaking english.
2box on the drumss??!!
I couldn't get into these guys until I took music theory in school and really figured out what they were doing haha
Yeah you loose a lot of mid range with a bolt on neck. Plus the heel of the neck will be tapered differently so would feel less comfortable to play in some positions.
i gonna buy a 7 string, not for the low tunings, just for soloing and sweep stuff on the higher frets, i barly play anything lower than standard c more like d, if i buy a 8 string its will be like 7 striing with a extra higher string
Its up for $1500 from what ive found so far
Exactly! I've been playing for 3 years now and I still play with my Axl Mosque that I paid around 170 dollars 4 years ago. Kids these days think they need high end equipment to play good, but unless you think about making money it's not worth buying expensive stuff imo.
is baritone ?
Gabriel Lopacinski Bro this is a 30' scale. normal guitars are around 25'...
Jimmy Silvers thanks
Gabriel Lopacinski nice profile pic btw
Jimmy Silvers actually it is 29.4" scale.
^ah.