The most intersting part of reading the original Black Suit Saga is realizing how much of what it's known for came from later adaptations/continuity. It's not even really a saga about the suit, it's just a period of comics where Peter happens to have a new suit. In terms of story that's specifically related to the symbiote, it's just "Peter finds symbiote. It occasionally makes him fight crime while sleeping. Reed tells Peter it's alive. Peter gets rid of the suit. End."
For me, the most interesting parts of the Black Suit Saga are twofold. 1) How much comes from later adaptations. Originally, the suit was self-repairing, produced its own webbing...and that's mostly it. It didn't affect Peter's mind or behavior, or make him any stronger, or give him any super odd abilities...At *most*, it could maybe imitate other clothes. All it did to him was take his body out at night while he was sleeping, and that's mostly it. It's TAS and subsequent adaptations that made it make him stronger, and make him more aggressive, and give him more tentacle-y abilities. 2) It, in hindsight, makes me realize how much Marvel can't keep the script straight, even within its own comics. Originally, it was trying to help him, but in a creepy and kind of violating way. Then they started portraying the symbiote as evil and malicious, a parasitic entity that corrupts its host and drains them dry. Then they portray it as wanting to be good, but it's misguided. Then its evil. Then it's good. Then it wants to kill people. Then it wants to be a hero. Marvel doesn't have a canonical personality for the black symbiote, and while the original incarnation was simple, tragic and yet creepy, they keep being wishy-washy about it and its personality and motivations. And that's the most frustrating thing to me. Almost every character and entity in Spider-Man mythos is established, set, and has a defined identity, for as iconic as the black symbiote is, the only thing anyone can agree on is that "It wants to bond to Peter, but Peter won't end up staying bonded to it, because the status quo trumps all, and also lazy and tired drug addiction/abusive relationship metaphors". Everything else is whatever the hell the writer wants it to be for that specific story.
@@CaptKami18 This mindset of "its entirely fine" is essentially why none of the mainstream Western super hero comics will never be able to move onto anything greater. In then end status quo trumps all.
@@CaptKami18 You misunderstood me. My last line was a hopeless statement. Status quo will always trumps whatever creativity a writer comes with in order to continue a story, simply because comic companies love money too much and rather have their IPs reverted so they can just keep milking it. I despise the status quo. I was also disagreeing with you in regards to letting different writers to adapt stories as they please, but more so in the mainline universe. What-ifs are ok.
Well, no. IT then went on to show how the symbiote became bound to Eddie Brock and how Eddie/symbiote became Venom and began to exact revenge against Peter.
"What would Spider-Man be without his spider powers? He'd be... man. Is that what you came here to play, Man 3? I don't think so, so go ahead and crawl up this wall. Y'know, like Spider-Man."
that fucking scream scorpion makes after stillwell calls him a freak might actually be the funniest line delivery i've ever heard in a video game, like it sounds like someone doing an on the spot impression of that one gotg 3 scene with rocket and it kinda even trumps the beginning qte in terms of unintentional comedy for me tbh.
@@thewholecircus it still pisses me off that this, almost 20 year old side story in a shitty tie in game is to date the last good faithful adaptation of scorpion we've ever got, people just love to do random stupid shit with him nowadays like using him as a glorified punching bag or making him a normal ninja guy, it's so weird
Fun fact: The mad bomber was also in the mtv spider man series, however he's under a different name. I wonder why they chose him instead of another character.
One big positive about the game was how diverse the gameplay was. It never felt repetitive. The game was constantly throwing new things at you to do. Taking pictures for the bugle, defusing bombs, sewer missions, subway missions, mj thrill rides, throwing lizard into generators, fighting a helicopter, and riding on the bombers minions
@@DatPRGuy2017 doesn’t make a difference. Spider-man 3 repetitive with garbage combat and garbage swinging and graphics n boss fights n everything in between. Insomniac is better in every way there is no need to even argue w u. Its objective atp
I prefer the man ham series over the man series tbh my favorite game is man ham city I love the lore reasons and new characters what the fck should we name them
I love how you released this on my birthday. Man I love this game, I even have it for the Xbox 360 & Playstation 2. I am so glad to see you make a retrospective video for this game finally.
@@alwaysnerdyretros well thanks man, that means a lot to me. One of these days we should do a collaboration on a video or something. Since I enjoy watching your content over the years since your Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions video gave me so much nostalgia since I loved that game so much as a kid.
Probably Ultimate Spider-Man and then Web of Shadows, but I'm going to detour a bit before those. If I'm being honest, I've been doing a lot of Spider-Man recently, so I'd like to cover some other characters for a bit first
@@alwaysnerdyretros hey don’t worry about it knowing how long you’re vids are I can understand why they take a while to come out but with that time you bring in great details and in your own opinion in each vid,so if that means we have to wait a while for that then I’m fine with it
1:35:48 Actually Spidey does fight him in the Game Boy Advance version of Spider-Man 3 where he's working with Kingpin who hired him to kidnap a district attorney.
Was eagerly anticipating this one! Thank you for providing a balanced and fair review and of course getting the inside perspective with the developers and cut content! No matter its flaws, this was one of the first Spider-Man games I played growing up so it will always have a special place in my heart. Keep up the excellent work!!!
Just wanna say I really appreciate your videos man. I usually have a lot of trouble sleeping and (not calling your videos boring) these long-form retrospectives are very comforting, thank you
I love listening to these retrospectives while I’m driving or at work. They’re long enough that I can keep them going for a while without needing to start looking for something new, detailed enough that I’m never bored, and nerdy enough to make sure I’m interested in what you’re talking about. Especially since so many of the games you talk about are games I grew up playing nonstop!
As a kid I could never pass the lizard boss battle, I remember on New Year’s Eve my cousin beat it for me but I didn’t know you are supposed to overwrite save files so we weren’t able to save it cause I was out of space for a fresh save 😭 he kept insisting it was fine but I was like no it has to be a fresh one
I have a theory on the electro cameo, in MTV's spider-man the new animated series, electro actually made a few appearances, and the show itself is loosely canon to the rami films, so this could explain that scene, but that's very debatle, since curt connors dies in his first episode.
That’s cool. I actually had a similar theory but the other way around. Cus in the mtv show, kraven and Spider-Man have history that we never saw, so I like to think it’s referring to the fight from the Spider-Man 1 game
Hey, I would love if you could touch upon at some point later in your retrospective series the connection Web of Shadows has and the potential of it serving as another entry as part of the ‘Raimi-Verse’. Notably the connections such as: - The shared history between Spider-Man and that of Kingpin, Black Cat, Vulture all hinting/referencing their appearances in prior Raimi-games. - The Mech Minibosses having prototypes in Spider-Man 3 (X360/PS3 version) during a photo mission, sharing an identical design. - The line during the first Black Cat mission, “Green Goblin was so 6 years ago! The kids, they like the Venom and the Sandman!”, referencing the timeline between games with WOS releasing in 2008. Peter is also shocked and possibly fearful to see one of Kingpin’s men using similar tech as Goblin, saying, “It can’t be!” worried almost as if Norman or Harry had returned from the dead. - Spider-Man 3 essentially being used as a jumping off point mechanically for the gameplay of WOS. - Peter’s voice (that’s a joke, and I love it actually). I’d love to see your thoughts on this, especially since ‘Friend or Foe’ is often discussed as being a final entry in these line of games when I’ve always personally believed WOS should be considered as such if not more so. Loving the series thus far!
Awesome video! I remember when I was younger I played Spider-Man 3 on the Wii and it soooo fun and I had a blast, especailly being able to switch between suits. I can recall that Morbius boss like it was yesterday and sort of scared me a bit lol. Again as always your retrospectives are top-notch and are well done! Amazing work!
Actually, this isn't JK Simmons' first time voicing Jameson in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man games. He played him in Spider-Man 2...'s super obscure PSP port, which is mostly a reskin of the Spider-Man 1 game, reusing locations, music, with some 2 music mixed in there, and boss fights. I don't know why he's only in a PSP port barely anybody played and not the console version, but you can look up his cutscenes and see for yourself.
Your vidoes are really great! the fact that you managed to talk with some of those devs about the game is really surprising. I hope you get to 100k subs this year I have followed your channel since the MUA3 video and you defintly deserve way more subs
If you're interested, I have some suggestions for some movie/tv based games you may like to cover; 1. The EA James Bond Games 2. Jackie Chan Stuntmaster 3. Movie Licenced games e.g Van Helsing @@alwaysnerdyretros
YES!!!! U FINALLY DID IT!!(idk if u remember me, but I was the guy who asked for the retrospective on this game a while back, I think I commented on either your spiderman 1 or 2 game review, but it’s finally happened LETS GO!)
Just finished the video today, you did absolutely geeat with this video. Very informative. I get the criticisms with the Xbox 360 version of the game, it definitely could've been better. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have an absolute blast playing this a few years ago. Well except for the Kraven & Lizard boss fights. Those had me on a level of frustration I don't wish to experience again.
Hey, man! I hope you’re well. Now you get a ton of a comments, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this one goes a miss, but I just wanted to first of all say that I love your videos. You never fail to disappoint and I find them to be so relaxing. I just wanted to point out something I love about the next gen version of the game and the old gen version of the game. For the next gen, I love the attention to detail in the open world. I don’t know if you happened to stumble across this. But you can actually find locations from the movie. You can find and enter all of these locations: peters apartment, the church, Norman’s house, and in that house you can find the mirror and if you punch it you will find all of the secret goblin gear. You can in fact even find the symbiote rock from the opening cutscene in an alley way. I’m sure there’s more that I have forgot to list. Now the ps2 version, I loved how when you first got the black suit and in certain story missions, The weather and season of the map changed to what looked like a spooky autumn type setting. Gone were the leaves on the trees. A grey gloomy sky. Empty streets. The whole thing changed and i thought that whilst it doesn’t make sense, it still felt really cool and I appreciated the effort. Also In the ps2 version I love the overall feel and vibe to the game. It felt much more “movie” tie in. Straight to the black suit action etc. cut a lot of the fat from the next gen version. I found the next gen version to feel like a real drag. The black suit felt so much better in the ps2 version. The loud thud and cracks you’d leave in the ground upon landing from a jump. The big puffed out chest. The black suit really felt like a power house for sure. And of course being able to freely switch between the red and black suit was much better. Again, the game just felt much more movie based and darker. Anyway, thanks for reading man and take care!
Hey! Thanks for commenting and pointing out those extra details! I’m frustrated at myself because I had in my notes to include Harry’s penthouse and forgot to include it in the video lol. I didn’t know about the symbiote in the alley though! Definitely agree with the feeling of the black suit. It was so great in the PS2 version for all the reasons you mentioned. He felt like a real brute Thank you for commenting and supporting the channel! Take care :)
Back in the day when this game came out, I was still slumming on my PS2 when most of my friends were sitting pretty with their PS3s. But they came flocking to my place to play my version of the game when they all experienced the problems you point out in this video. Couldn't agree with you more: creativity and care trump graphics and engines when it comes to the quality of a game. I've been waiting for you to do this review for a while and I am SO glad that you showcased the superior decisions made with the PS2 version, and even your refrences to playable goblin in the first game which I loved so much! (I guess I understand why Sma Raimi didn't like the idea. He's more into classic, old school Spider-man and couldn't comprehend the appeal of playing as the bad guy.)
I loved that the PS2 version you had to fight the symbiote off you to change backi to red and blue and that it gets harder to take off the more the story goes
PS2PS2 "What would Spider-Man be without his spider powers? He'd be... man. Is that what you came here to play, Man 3? I don't think so, so go ahead and crawl up this wall. Y'know, like Spider-Man."
While the Treyarch game is pretty flawed, I still have a soft spot for it. After Ultimate Spider-Man, this game was my go-to Spider-Man game when I was a younger kid. I didn’t get copies of the first two Spider-Man movie games until my early teens and I still have never played Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions or Edge of Time but I hope to eventually. As an adult, I can definitely look back and see the problems Spider-Man 3 has, both the game and the movie, but I still appreciate them both for being a part of my childhood. But for the positives I have with the game, I really appreciated the sense of scale the city had and the web swinging was very satisfying, especially the double web swing (something I hope is added in Insomniac's future games). I also appreciate the inclusion of the Lizard finally in the Raimi universe and his levels were some of the stand-outs for me (and which felt like an homage in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 which I appreciated). I liked the gang storylines with the Arsenic Candy being the most unique one I think, and them all culminating with the Kingpin. Scorpion's levels were also highlights, especially the arcade section and Rhino's boss fight. The Daily Bugle missions are also some of my favorites. I love when you take the photos of the impostor Spider-Man on the helicopter with Spidey commentating on his acrobatics and the bit of a snarky attitude he gives the guy after saving him from falling. I also always thought the UFO was actually on Earth searching for the symbiote since it's also an alien and they could have deduced that it landed near NYC. I really liked having much of the movie's cast reprise their roles, with JK Simmons being the best as always. And of course, the QTE fails are a comedic treat.
There's this weird detail in the ps2 version in the game. You're given the choice of either doing the bomb mission with J. Jonah Jameson or the first lizard mission: If you do the lizard mission first, there's some text saying that j jonah had died giving you a game over I'm not sure why they gave you the choice if choosing one of them gives you a game over
@@alwaysnerdyretros if I had to guess why it was likely in the early stages of development, the game would've let you pick which missions to choose in any order however due to the ps2 limited hardware it got scrapped but realised they left that one bit where you get to choose so they put up the text saying what happens
The quality of research that you do on these videos is really fantastic, it helps keep certain pieces of behind the scenes info alive in a way that other licensed games would probably lose to time. I felt very vindicated when it was confirmed that Scorpion from the first game was the same story arc into this one. When I was a kid I definitely considered the added villains canonical from one game to the next, and I am glad the people making this game were fully aware. I wonder what would have happen if Spider-Man 4 did come out with Vulture and Black Cat in it. Anyways, this game is quite flawed, but I don't fully get the hate. Really wonderful to see all the in depth exploration of it, as a kid I spent several years watching walkthroughs of both the PS2/Wii and Xbox/PS3/PC versions before I got to play them myself.
this is like the 3rd or 4th SM3 review/ Retrospective I've watched this week. here we go again. I gotta say, you were actually really fair to this game, Giving it merit when it deserves an not just dunking on it. Its a rough game but i personally think it's still pretty fun.
The most intersting part of reading the original Black Suit Saga is realizing how much of what it's known for came from later adaptations/continuity. It's not even really a saga about the suit, it's just a period of comics where Peter happens to have a new suit. In terms of story that's specifically related to the symbiote, it's just "Peter finds symbiote. It occasionally makes him fight crime while sleeping. Reed tells Peter it's alive. Peter gets rid of the suit. End."
Spider man 90s TAS changed all that
For me, the most interesting parts of the Black Suit Saga are twofold.
1) How much comes from later adaptations. Originally, the suit was self-repairing, produced its own webbing...and that's mostly it. It didn't affect Peter's mind or behavior, or make him any stronger, or give him any super odd abilities...At *most*, it could maybe imitate other clothes. All it did to him was take his body out at night while he was sleeping, and that's mostly it. It's TAS and subsequent adaptations that made it make him stronger, and make him more aggressive, and give him more tentacle-y abilities.
2) It, in hindsight, makes me realize how much Marvel can't keep the script straight, even within its own comics. Originally, it was trying to help him, but in a creepy and kind of violating way. Then they started portraying the symbiote as evil and malicious, a parasitic entity that corrupts its host and drains them dry. Then they portray it as wanting to be good, but it's misguided. Then its evil. Then it's good. Then it wants to kill people. Then it wants to be a hero. Marvel doesn't have a canonical personality for the black symbiote, and while the original incarnation was simple, tragic and yet creepy, they keep being wishy-washy about it and its personality and motivations. And that's the most frustrating thing to me. Almost every character and entity in Spider-Man mythos is established, set, and has a defined identity, for as iconic as the black symbiote is, the only thing anyone can agree on is that "It wants to bond to Peter, but Peter won't end up staying bonded to it, because the status quo trumps all, and also lazy and tired drug addiction/abusive relationship metaphors". Everything else is whatever the hell the writer wants it to be for that specific story.
@@CaptKami18 This mindset of "its entirely fine" is essentially why none of the mainstream Western super hero comics will never be able to move onto anything greater. In then end status quo trumps all.
@@CaptKami18 You misunderstood me. My last line was a hopeless statement. Status quo will always trumps whatever creativity a writer comes with in order to continue a story, simply because comic companies love money too much and rather have their IPs reverted so they can just keep milking it.
I despise the status quo.
I was also disagreeing with you in regards to letting different writers to adapt stories as they please, but more so in the mainline universe.
What-ifs are ok.
Well, no. IT then went on to show how the symbiote became bound to Eddie Brock and how Eddie/symbiote became Venom and began to exact revenge against Peter.
"Is that what you came here to play? Man 3? I don't think so."
Arkham Subreddit: 🧍♂️
Yeah that clip might fuel further insanity lol
@@alwaysnerdyretros I can only imagine lol
activated me like a sleeper agent
@@alwaysnerdyretros We already found it lmao
@@alwaysnerdyretros this game is nostalgic for me
These retrospectives became my comfort videos once I've found them
Mine too
Same
That’s awesome! I’m so happy the videos have been a comfort for you all :)
@@alwaysnerdyretroslmao these fr are them comfort vids always watch em to sleep too I done watched all ya retrospectives 😂🐐
@@santos-9494 haha I love it! Thank you for the support!
"What would Spider-Man be without his spider powers? He'd be... man. Is that what you came here to play, Man 3? I don't think so, so go ahead and crawl up this wall. Y'know, like Spider-Man."
My absolute favorite and most remembered line from the game 😆
You should really check out a video called something like "Spiderman 60's intro but he's just man". I think you'll love it
I own the PS2 version of the game and my brother and I used to laugh at that line a bunch 😂
I only played this on a ps2 and the game wouldn't be able to go too far cause it was broken I miss that game
Man is another hero, the main character from Arkham Aslume.
The soundtrack for this game is so memorable. The guitar solo in one of the symbiote tracks randomly pops into my head at least once a month lol.
If you find the track lemme know please
@@scandinavianjoelmillerBlack Suit Theme #1 is the one I'm thinking of, but Black Suit Theme #2 and #3 also have sick guitar parts.
that fucking scream scorpion makes after stillwell calls him a freak might actually be the funniest line delivery i've ever heard in a video game, like it sounds like someone doing an on the spot impression of that one gotg 3 scene with rocket and it kinda even trumps the beginning qte in terms of unintentional comedy for me tbh.
I would love to see what the script called for that the actor just kind of went “ugh, fuck this” for that one line delivery.
It would be funnier if this wasn't one of my favorite versions of scorpion
@@thewholecircus it still pisses me off that this, almost 20 year old side story in a shitty tie in game is to date the last good faithful adaptation of scorpion we've ever got, people just love to do random stupid shit with him nowadays like using him as a glorified punching bag or making him a normal ninja guy, it's so weird
FINALLY A SPIDER MAN 3 RETROSPECTIVE
Yeah it's been long overdue. I've been meaning to get to it for a long while. Same with Web of Shadows lol
@MotorOil235 haha that’s true, thank you!
I don't care what anyone says. I always loves this game as a kid
@@alwaysnerdyretrosLooking forward to Web of Shadows after this one. I know it'll be worth the wait.
@@andrewgarfield9898ye as a kid. Saying it’s a good game as a grown man is cap
BABE WAKE UP 🗣️🗣️
ALWAYS NERDY POSTED 🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
Fun fact: The mad bomber was also in the mtv spider man series, however he's under a different name. I wonder why they chose him instead of another character.
Teradax?
@@Nostalgia244 yeah, him
@@mr.unpopularopinion6431 He's also more of a boring Vulture replacement
Reminds me of the mad bomber from Batman beyond
Ah. -Man content from Always Nerdy. Thx king
I was not ready for that "Man 3" joke. This game was way ahead of it's time
This man belongs at arkham
Man 3 really had me laughing
One big positive about the game was how diverse the gameplay was. It never felt repetitive. The game was constantly throwing new things at you to do. Taking pictures for the bugle, defusing bombs, sewer missions, subway missions, mj thrill rides, throwing lizard into generators, fighting a helicopter, and riding on the bombers minions
It definitely was repetitive lol wut
@@SonnySantana2099And Insomniac Spider-Man isn't? You're either stealthing, fighting groups of criminals, slow walking sections and boring puzzles
@@DatPRGuy2017 Nice "whataboutism" there, buddy. No one mentioned Insomniac games. It being true there doesn't make it untrue for SM3.
@@DatPRGuy2017 doesn’t make a difference. Spider-man 3 repetitive with garbage combat and garbage swinging and graphics n boss fights n everything in between. Insomniac is better in every way there is no need to even argue w u. Its objective atp
@@senorsnout4417 exactly
You finally finished the Rami tie in games, can’t wait to see what’s next for your retrospective
Absolutely loving the new format! Having interviews spread throughout the video is an awesome idea and getting anything behind the scenes is wonderful
Thank you!!! I’m hoping to continue that throughout future videos, so I’m really glad it’s something you liked!
The joke *"Is that what you came here to play? Man 3? I don't think so.-"* is not talked about enough. 🔥
I prefer the man ham series over the man series tbh my favorite game is man ham city I love the lore reasons and new characters what the fck should we name them
@@jonkler677 oh fuck it's the jonkler 😬🔥 🔥
Sure can't wait for Insomniac's Man 3, their Man 2 was kind of a letdown
Yeah, I'm playing Man.
Yess!!! The long awaited video!! So hype
Lol this one really is like 2 years overdue
@@alwaysnerdyretros lmao true- your vids are so high quality, always worth the wait
@@star-ink4609 thank you 😊 I appreciate your patience!
@@alwaysnerdyretros I appreciate your amazing content- been subscribed for a while now 🫶
@@star-ink4609 that’s so awesome, thank you for the support 😃
He's back... HE'S BACK!!!
Oh my back (crack) my back
I love how you released this on my birthday. Man I love this game, I even have it for the Xbox 360 & Playstation 2. I am so glad to see you make a retrospective video for this game finally.
Happy Birthday! Yeah this video is a couple years overdue so I’m glad it’s finally out
@@alwaysnerdyretros well thanks man, that means a lot to me. One of these days we should do a collaboration on a video or something. Since I enjoy watching your content over the years since your Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions video gave me so much nostalgia since I loved that game so much as a kid.
@@HunterSpideyFan thank you, that’s awesome to hear! Also, I haven’t really done collaborations yet but I’d be open to it.
@alwaysnerdyretros my birthday is coming this Tuesday 51:55
REDKAIJU2006 Great PFP.
This week is the best of my life. First we have X-Men '97 back after 27 years and now finally the most anticipated premiere of my life. Thank you
Today is good day
It really is :)
Damn straight.
Gonna cry?
No cap
Indeed
Thank you for also covering the PS2 version of the game. I have so many fond memories playing the game with my friend after school
Glad you highlighted multiple versions. Idk why so many games I owned growing up were so different across platforms, but I like seeing what I missed.
He has returned keep up the spectacular work as always
What's the next Spider-Man game video you're going to talk about?
Probably Ultimate Spider-Man and then Web of Shadows, but I'm going to detour a bit before those. If I'm being honest, I've been doing a lot of Spider-Man recently, so I'd like to cover some other characters for a bit first
@@alwaysnerdyretros with the recent release of xmen 97, an xmen game could be a fun idea, maybe the xmen the official game, or xmen next dimension
@@alwaysnerdyretros cool can't wait to see those videos
@IStevenSeagal I’m working on a daredevil video right now, but after will probably be X2. I’m in an X-men/Wolverine gaming mood lol
It’s good to see another one of your videos man,we’ve missed them
Thank you, it's nice to post again! The gaps in content haven't been ideal lately, but it's something I'm hoping to remedy moving forward.
@@alwaysnerdyretros hey don’t worry about it knowing how long you’re vids are I can understand why they take a while to come out but with that time you bring in great details and in your own opinion in each vid,so if that means we have to wait a while for that then I’m fine with it
You rock. I’ve enjoyed your content for a while now and this is just what I needed to cap off a tough work week
Thank you! I'm glad I can help you unwind a bit. Hopefully next week is smoother for you!
1:35:48 Actually Spidey does fight him in the Game Boy Advance version of Spider-Man 3 where he's working with Kingpin who hired him to kidnap a district attorney.
You beat me to it lul
@@brandondunkin5816 and me that i just found out this video
Love this guys videos and pov on things like this
Thank you! I hope you enjoy this one as well!
The Nerd hath returned! Rejoice fellow gamers, for infotainment is on the horizon!!!!
3Years!!! Worth it!!!!
Let’s hope it’s not a “0” at dawn or that it doesn’t get “forbidden” in the west😌……no? We not feeling that joke or reference? I’ll stop.
Was eagerly anticipating this one! Thank you for providing a balanced and fair review and of course getting the inside perspective with the developers and cut content! No matter its flaws, this was one of the first Spider-Man games I played growing up so it will always have a special place in my heart. Keep up the excellent work!!!
Just wanna say I really appreciate your videos man. I usually have a lot of trouble sleeping and (not calling your videos boring) these long-form retrospectives are very comforting, thank you
Thank you! I appreciate you commenting to tell me. I’m glad the videos have been able to help you in some way :)
I remember being so excited to play this game after 2 and was so dissapointed. Love to see you back Nerdy!!
Oh I'm excited, I've been waiting for this, hope to see more vids soon
Thank you! I'm definitely goaling to release more videos this year. Last year was a bit bare
@@alwaysnerdyretros what do you think of the canceled Spider-man The Great Web game from insomniac? I think it had a lot of potential
These videos are so thorough and awesome! Really makes my day when you upload, thanks for all the hard work!
So happy to have another video from you!
missed your videos man good to hear from you again
I love this channel and I love these videos, please never stop
Thank you so much! I don't plan on stopping btw. I'm having too much fun :)
I love listening to these retrospectives while I’m driving or at work. They’re long enough that I can keep them going for a while without needing to start looking for something new, detailed enough that I’m never bored, and nerdy enough to make sure I’m interested in what you’re talking about. Especially since so many of the games you talk about are games I grew up playing nonstop!
I swear everytime I think man I wonder when is he gonna post agian he always delivers. Love ur videos
We're psychically linked...
As a kid I could never pass the lizard boss battle, I remember on New Year’s Eve my cousin beat it for me but I didn’t know you are supposed to overwrite save files so we weren’t able to save it cause I was out of space for a fresh save 😭 he kept insisting it was fine but I was like no it has to be a fresh one
Glad you're back!!
Glad to have you back
Your timing is perfect. I never played this game despite loving the first 2 as a kid. I JUST ordered it from ebay the day before your video dropped.
Haha that’s awesome! You’ll have to come back and tell us what you think!
I’ve literally been waiting for this for like a year and however long 😂 I’m so happy right now! 😁
I have a theory on the electro cameo, in MTV's spider-man the new animated series, electro actually made a few appearances, and the show itself is loosely canon to the rami films, so this could explain that scene, but that's very debatle, since curt connors dies in his first episode.
That’s cool. I actually had a similar theory but the other way around. Cus in the mtv show, kraven and Spider-Man have history that we never saw, so I like to think it’s referring to the fight from the Spider-Man 1 game
Excited to watch mate
You did a really Good Job reviewing this Game.
I do hope that you'll do a Retrospective of Captain America Super Soldier.
Hey, I would love if you could touch upon at some point later in your retrospective series the connection Web of Shadows has and the potential of it serving as another entry as part of the ‘Raimi-Verse’.
Notably the connections such as:
- The shared history between Spider-Man and that of Kingpin, Black Cat, Vulture all hinting/referencing their appearances in prior Raimi-games.
- The Mech Minibosses having prototypes in Spider-Man 3 (X360/PS3 version) during a photo mission, sharing an identical design.
- The line during the first Black Cat mission, “Green Goblin was so 6 years ago! The kids, they like the Venom and the Sandman!”, referencing the timeline between games with WOS releasing in 2008. Peter is also shocked and possibly fearful to see one of Kingpin’s men using similar tech as Goblin, saying, “It can’t be!” worried almost as if Norman or Harry had returned from the dead.
- Spider-Man 3 essentially being used as a jumping off point mechanically for the gameplay of WOS.
- Peter’s voice (that’s a joke, and I love it actually).
I’d love to see your thoughts on this, especially since ‘Friend or Foe’ is often discussed as being a final entry in these line of games when I’ve always personally believed WOS should be considered as such if not more so.
Loving the series thus far!
Nerd.
@highvoltage1621 we're all nerds here
Waited literally years for this video . U bastard😂❤️
Hahaha I know, it's been so long 😄 It really has been like 2 years since I did Spider-Man 2.
@@alwaysnerdyretrosi just about gave up hope😂
@@ttech8054 lol I appreciate you waiting patiently 🫡
Been waiting for this for a minute 😌😌
its always nice seeing you post peak
Man your channel is amazing and god ive been waiting for this one for awhile today is a great day
Haha I know this video in particular is long overdue, so thank you for your patience!
Hey man your quality and attention to detail is whats so amazing no rush 😅🤙🤙@alwaysnerdyretros
@@trentonbates1807 thank you! I appreciate it regardless :)
I've been waiting for this thank you.
Awesome video! I remember when I was younger I played Spider-Man 3 on the Wii and it soooo fun and I had a blast, especailly being able to switch between suits. I can recall that Morbius boss like it was yesterday and sort of scared me a bit lol. Again as always your retrospectives are top-notch and are well done! Amazing work!
I love you videos bro , all the work you put in is appreciated 💪🏽
Actually, this isn't JK Simmons' first time voicing Jameson in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man games. He played him in Spider-Man 2...'s super obscure PSP port, which is mostly a reskin of the Spider-Man 1 game, reusing locations, music, with some 2 music mixed in there, and boss fights. I don't know why he's only in a PSP port barely anybody played and not the console version, but you can look up his cutscenes and see for yourself.
It's a very satisfying video to watch, answering many questions and mentioning lots of interesting things, great job.
And here it is, can’t wait to see what’s in store from Nerdy!
Fun trip down memory lane. Glad I could offer a little insight.
Thank you for taking the time to chat with me! It was fun and very insightful!
Your vidoes are really great! the fact that you managed to talk with some of those devs about the game is really surprising.
I hope you get to 100k subs this year I have followed your channel since the MUA3 video and you defintly deserve way more subs
Yeah baby!!! That’s what I’ve been waiting for!!!
Yk it’s a good day when da goat uploads 🧑🏻🦯
Haha thank you!
Excellent video! I really loved the way you covered the entire game and had all the time stamps. I look forward to seeing more of your content.
Thank you very much!
Do you only cover Marvel games or are you open to covering other games?
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@@Makman1994 currently I’m just focusing on marvel and dc games, but eventually I plan to branch out
If you're interested, I have some suggestions for some movie/tv based games you may like to cover;
1. The EA James Bond Games
2. Jackie Chan Stuntmaster
3. Movie Licenced games e.g Van Helsing
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@@Makman1994 I like those! Especially Bond and Van Helsing. I honestly forgot those existed lol. Thank for the suggestions! I’ll keep those in mind
YES!!!! U FINALLY DID IT!!(idk if u remember me, but I was the guy who asked for the retrospective on this game a while back, I think I commented on either your spiderman 1 or 2 game review, but it’s finally happened LETS GO!)
It’s nice to see an proper review of the game detailing the good and bad instead of a mindless rant thanks for making this
Oh, the very first game on my PC! Thank you for making my day better!)
I'm glad I could help and I hope you enjoy!
This was probably the only thing that was able to fix the bad day I was having, thank you
Just finished the video today, you did absolutely geeat with this video. Very informative. I get the criticisms with the Xbox 360 version of the game, it definitely could've been better. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have an absolute blast playing this a few years ago. Well except for the Kraven & Lizard boss fights. Those had me on a level of frustration I don't wish to experience again.
Its weird how everyone seems to collectively be getting nostalgia for this era lately
Assajj Ventress being the doctor with Scorpion is something I totally didn’t realize as a kid
Happy to see this video pop up I really was looking forward to it! ❤ awesome retrospective!
Hey, man! I hope you’re well. Now you get a ton of a comments, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this one goes a miss, but I just wanted to first of all say that I love your videos. You never fail to disappoint and I find them to be so relaxing.
I just wanted to point out something I love about the next gen version of the game and the old gen version of the game.
For the next gen, I love the attention to detail in the open world. I don’t know if you happened to stumble across this. But you can actually find locations from the movie. You can find and enter all of these locations: peters apartment, the church, Norman’s house, and in that house you can find the mirror and if you punch it you will find all of the secret goblin gear. You can in fact even find the symbiote rock from the opening cutscene in an alley way. I’m sure there’s more that I have forgot to list.
Now the ps2 version, I loved how when you first got the black suit and in certain story missions, The weather and season of the map changed to what looked like a spooky autumn type setting. Gone were the leaves on the trees. A grey gloomy sky. Empty streets. The whole thing changed and i thought that whilst it doesn’t make sense, it still felt really cool and I appreciated the effort.
Also In the ps2 version I love the overall feel and vibe to the game. It felt much more “movie” tie in. Straight to the black suit action etc. cut a lot of the fat from the next gen version. I found the next gen version to feel like a real drag. The black suit felt so much better in the ps2 version. The loud thud and cracks you’d leave in the ground upon landing from a jump. The big puffed out chest. The black suit really felt like a power house for sure. And of course being able to freely switch between the red and black suit was much better. Again, the game just felt much more movie based and darker.
Anyway, thanks for reading man and take care!
Hey! Thanks for commenting and pointing out those extra details! I’m frustrated at myself because I had in my notes to include Harry’s penthouse and forgot to include it in the video lol. I didn’t know about the symbiote in the alley though!
Definitely agree with the feeling of the black suit. It was so great in the PS2 version for all the reasons you mentioned. He felt like a real brute
Thank you for commenting and supporting the channel! Take care :)
This game actually gave Sandman a good excuse to partner up with Venom.
I say the same thing in the video. I liked the games motivation way better than the movie
@@alwaysnerdyretros I believe it's actually based off of either a deleted scene from the film or a earlier script draft.
The Greatest Of All Time has dropped another masterpiece. Excellent as always, Always Nerdy!
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Man, thank you for this. Been looking forward to it. Love your work
Awesome! Love your videos!
Thank you for your hard work in bringing us these masterful reviews
Thank you for watching :)
God, love that feeling when UA-cam actually recommends a good channel, and now you can binge watch all their content 😁
New Subscriber here 👌
Back in the day when this game came out, I was still slumming on my PS2 when most of my friends were sitting pretty with their PS3s. But they came flocking to my place to play my version of the game when they all experienced the problems you point out in this video. Couldn't agree with you more: creativity and care trump graphics and engines when it comes to the quality of a game.
I've been waiting for you to do this review for a while and I am SO glad that you showcased the superior decisions made with the PS2 version, and even your refrences to playable goblin in the first game which I loved so much! (I guess I understand why Sma Raimi didn't like the idea. He's more into classic, old school Spider-man and couldn't comprehend the appeal of playing as the bad guy.)
Awesome im so excited and you're doing both
Thank you! Yeah they're different in very interesting ways
I loved that the PS2 version you had to fight the symbiote off you to change backi to red and blue and that it gets harder to take off the more the story goes
Awesome video as always! I can’t wait to see the video on Ultimate Spider-Man!
yesssssssss another great videooooo
2 hours of video good enough to eat on the game oat, we're so up
55:38 damn, tobey really put his heart & soul into those line readings lol.
I got a big angry cartoon vein on my forehead when you said Ultimate Spider-man wasn't your next video. Super excited for that one!
PS2PS2 "What would Spider-Man be without his spider powers? He'd be... man. Is that what you came here to play, Man 3? I don't think so, so go ahead and crawl up this wall. Y'know, like Spider-Man."
“Yeah…. I’m Man.” 🧍♂️
While the Treyarch game is pretty flawed, I still have a soft spot for it. After Ultimate Spider-Man, this game was my go-to Spider-Man game when I was a younger kid. I didn’t get copies of the first two Spider-Man movie games until my early teens and I still have never played Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions or Edge of Time but I hope to eventually.
As an adult, I can definitely look back and see the problems Spider-Man 3 has, both the game and the movie, but I still appreciate them both for being a part of my childhood.
But for the positives I have with the game, I really appreciated the sense of scale the city had and the web swinging was very satisfying, especially the double web swing (something I hope is added in Insomniac's future games). I also appreciate the inclusion of the Lizard finally in the Raimi universe and his levels were some of the stand-outs for me (and which felt like an homage in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 which I appreciated). I liked the gang storylines with the Arsenic Candy being the most unique one I think, and them all culminating with the Kingpin. Scorpion's levels were also highlights, especially the arcade section and Rhino's boss fight.
The Daily Bugle missions are also some of my favorites. I love when you take the photos of the impostor Spider-Man on the helicopter with Spidey commentating on his acrobatics and the bit of a snarky attitude he gives the guy after saving him from falling. I also always thought the UFO was actually on Earth searching for the symbiote since it's also an alien and they could have deduced that it landed near NYC. I really liked having much of the movie's cast reprise their roles, with JK Simmons being the best as always. And of course, the QTE fails are a comedic treat.
56:03 The way morbius threw the woman away made me chuckle 😂
There's this weird detail in the ps2 version in the game. You're given the choice of either doing the bomb mission with J. Jonah Jameson or the first lizard mission: If you do the lizard mission first, there's some text saying that j jonah had died giving you a game over I'm not sure why they gave you the choice if choosing one of them gives you a game over
Oh interesting, I must have missed that one. That's a strange choice
@@alwaysnerdyretros if I had to guess why it was likely in the early stages of development, the game would've let you pick which missions to choose in any order however due to the ps2 limited hardware it got scrapped but realised they left that one bit where you get to choose so they put up the text saying what happens
The quality of research that you do on these videos is really fantastic, it helps keep certain pieces of behind the scenes info alive in a way that other licensed games would probably lose to time. I felt very vindicated when it was confirmed that Scorpion from the first game was the same story arc into this one. When I was a kid I definitely considered the added villains canonical from one game to the next, and I am glad the people making this game were fully aware. I wonder what would have happen if Spider-Man 4 did come out with Vulture and Black Cat in it. Anyways, this game is quite flawed, but I don't fully get the hate. Really wonderful to see all the in depth exploration of it, as a kid I spent several years watching walkthroughs of both the PS2/Wii and Xbox/PS3/PC versions before I got to play them myself.
The lady who voices Mac Gargan's doctor is the voice actress for Asajj Ventress
thank you i was waiting for this vid before playing it
I'm sorry you had to wait so long!
Time to spend the next 2 hours listening to Nerdy 😎
There's even a mention of Sue Storm towards the end...
@@alwaysnerdyretros what?! No wayyyy!
@@Ellie-dj3kr it’s nothing major, just a shared voice actress between sue and a character in Spider-Man 3.
@@alwaysnerdyretroslol you spoiled it?! 😂Nerdyyyyy
@@Ellie-dj3kr I didn’t want you to get your hopes up that it was some big Easter egg or something! There’s still some mystery though, I didn’t say who
this is like the 3rd or 4th SM3 review/ Retrospective I've watched this week.
here we go again. I gotta say, you were actually really fair to this game, Giving it merit when it deserves an not just dunking on it. Its a rough game but i personally think it's still pretty fun.
1:35:52 Electro was in the GBA version of Spider-Man 3
Oh good call, I must have overlooked that. Maybe that’s what’s being referenced then
@@alwaysnerdyretros it’s a clone of Ultimate Spider-man on GBA, same sound effects and some of the same animation too
also you fight the Mad Bomber one on one, and he's the only boss in the Game to have his own theme
Awesome video as always ^^ hoping we can get a video on Web Of Shadows!
Spider-Man mentioning electro could be a reference to the Gameboy Advance version of the game (which has electro as a boss)
15:20 “the blade that pierced his body came from your gilder”
Dude I always get so excited when you drop a new retro! I’ve said it before but as always thanks for all the hard work man these are always amazing!