In the book, Paul sheds a tear for Jamis and Stilgar and the others see it as great respect due to water being sacred. Paul shared his water with Jamis.
That moment happens later in the book (when they add Jamis' water to the tribe and divide his belongings); we might still get to see it in the second movie
that's right, it becomes part of his Fremen mythology - which Jessica intentionally triggers it by saying 'how does it feel to kill a man' or something, the Bene Gesserit had created a religion with a carefully constructed messiah (who Paul is tailored to resemble) thus would begin his Jihad. All began by taking Jamis water, and giving a tear drop of his own.
One thing that surprised me of this movie is how this duel was anticipated as the good old cliché fight where the underdog protagonist struggles but wins while instead it turned out to be a one sided domination for the main character
Yep, just like in the book - I like the slight concern Jessica initially has but then she reminds herself that Paul has been trained to fight from a very young age by Duncan and Gurney. Plus her Bene Gesserit training..basically no-one stands much of a chance in one-on-one combat with Paul.
It makes sense because in the book, Paul is 15 years old and small for his age as well. So people underestimate him until he reveals that he is actually a really skilled fighter.
Right? It’s such a fun moment in the cinema, especially if you watch it with someone who doesn’t know what’s coming. “Oh god he’s going to be okay, he’ll be okay, ri-- *whoa*” That’s a curbstomp beat down for the ages and the sages. On the bright side, Jamis goes down in history as the Kwisatz Haderach’s first blood, which is pretty impressive.
They also minimized Lady Jessica actions in the movie. In the book Lady Jessica planted fear into Jamis and acceptance into Stilgar. That is why Stilgar ordered Lady Jessica to be quite. But it was too late.
I was surprised at the choice of actor for the role, that kids couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Looks like a strong fart could finish him off.
It seems to alarm him for two reasons. First, he's shocked that Paul is so skilled despite having never shed blood. Second, he knows what such an act does to someone. Stilgar realizes he's thrown this kid into a fight for his life where even if he survives, he will be changed forever.
@@luiousy7329 But Leto II isn't in this movie so who cares--maybe focus on what's actually presented instead of giggling at your future fantasy assumptions.
The real fight here is not Paul vs Jamis, it's inocent Paul Atreides vs the Kwizatz Haderach to come. All the dramatic tension of the scene came from that internal struggle. By killing Jamis, Paul killed a part of his humanity and take a step leading to his terrible purpose. The death of this friend-to-be, as saw in Paul's visions, carry so much sadness... So well done!
Yeah I didn't think about it until I read deeper and realized Dune is more about Paul trying to fight off becoming the Messiah he sees in his visions while still trying to stop the plot of the Emperor wanting to destroy his family by getting the help of the Fremen.
@göksu gün alioğlu Absolutely and the way the adaptation succeed in giving a tragic tone to the fight and the outcome nailed this idea. In this, the visions of an alternative future where Jamis is a friend, earlier in the movie, are genius and contribute to the tragedy of his death. During the fight, Paul's hesitations to kill his opponent shows really well the internal struggle. All of this is great stuff and demonstrate that this movie is not simply a good adaptation but a true masterpiece (for me at least). We can see the love and understanding Villeneuve have for Herbert work.
Pretty much all of Paul's conflict is with what he is destined to become. He sees the Golden Path before him, and is not willing to take it. Paul's conflict was never really the physical part of it. He is basically a god among men.
I mean, to be fair, the guy had no idea that he was about to fight a combination of jesus/buddha/muhammed with weapons training. Look at it that way, he did pretty well.
Yeah but he was still a teenager of 15 years. Even if you're prophesied to be great, being young is still being young so all that titles not gonna mean much if you're not that at the moment. You still need training to do so. Which thankfully Paul did.
Well yeah. He couldn't have known how skilled Paul was. I guess you can assume he knows Paul can fight since he's the son of a great house and they all train in the sword. But he doesn't know he's the messiah genetically bred, and trained by the best in the galaxy
Fremen are the greatest warriors across the entire galaxy, with spice giving them superhuman skills and already deadly to elite soldiers before they're even 8 years old. To get manhandled by a biologically mormal child shows how absurdly lethal Paul was in a fight even before going full Fremen, and how the Atreides legions could've probably put the Fremen in their place if it ever came to war.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232paul is not biologically normal he is the product of a thousand years of bene gesserit breeding he is the peak of human perfection personified.
I love Jamis’s outburst. What pisses him off the most isn’t that he’s losing. But rather that this superior opponent in Paul is either too cruel to end the fight quickly or too cowardly to take a life. It infuriates Jamis, so he tries to goad Paul into just getting it over with. You see after the death blow, he resigns himself to his fate and shares a quiet moment of understanding with Paul. Paul’s vision was fulfilled, and his “friend” Jamis showed him the way of the desert: You fight, or you die. Kill or be killed.
You are wrong. He is angry, because Paul offers him to yield, which means a disgrace. And just like any human being, he wants to live. So he is given a choise - life in disgrace or death in an honourable fight. He screams to scare thoughts of accepting such a harsch offer, and because he is angry and scared of possibility of living in a shame.
@@soltanbaghirli6847 Paul doesn't have enough influence over the Freman for that "offer" to be remotely valid. Both of their lives would be forfiet. The Freman culture of honor, desert survival, water preservation, and a communal "for the tribe" mentality would be too deeply engrained in Jamis for him to need to scream away his softness. It wasn't there in the first place. Your interpretation is way off.
@@soltanbaghirli6847 Agree. Jamis believed to die in honor, sparing him would leave him living in shame. Paul has made several attempt to show that he was defeated, every time he spared him disgraced him even more.
Theres a lot of subtle details here that are explained if you read the book or understand how Paul was trained. After paul yells do you yield, theres a lot of moments where he almost stabs Jamis but stops just before . The Fremen though he was toying with him, but its actually because he was trained to fight using shields, so he had to slow down his blade before hitting so it could penetrate the holtzman shields.
MW is correct. Paul was trained fighting with a defensive shield. The slow blade is the only way to penetrate the shield. In the book, the Fremen accuse Paul of toying with Jamis - as well, Paul has never killed a man.
The whole scene while good left a ton of stuff from the book. In the book, they were back in the sietch. Stilgar and Jessica threatened to kill Jamis if he killed Paul, and they didn’t fight in stillsuits, as that would have been forbidden in Fremen culture. Not to mention Chani told Paul how Jamis fights.
are warriors in dune trained to slow down the blade? i thought its just comes more as a necessity. what i mean is shield stops the blade and you have to push in order to break through it
@@Konar0002 Yep they are thought to slow down as they approach which suggests the shield isn't like a physical barrier that pushes your sword back rather it's like a frequency detector that deflects whatever is above a certain speed.
One of the things I really liked about this movie is how we've seen Paul's visions of the future up till now, and just accept them as inevitable. But he has several visions of Jamis becoming his friend and teaching him the ways of the desert (and also Jamis killing him in the duel), but ends up having to kill him. The audience is shown without being spoonfed that Paul is seeing *possible* futures, and so those visions of the jihad aren't necessarily set. Jamis's death is also given an extra touch of pathos, because Paul already recognizes him as a friend, and definitely doesn't want to kill this guy.
Oh, okay..... I never read the book till now (already stored in my bookshelf but university gives me the finger), so I sat in the cinema and thought: "Well... He told Paul that he would train him in the way of the desert. Seems about right. The Desert - especially Arakis - kills you, if you show weakness. Paul had to kill him, to understands this one vital lesson" But okay..... Guess I was a bit off
Paul sees all the possible futures and in one he sees Jamis as his mentor. In that vision Janis teaches him how to fight and Paul learns his weaknesses. He uses that Vision to help kill him in the “now”. Ironic.
@National Socialism Full disclosure: I haven't read the novels, but have seen the three film adaptations. This one was definitely my favorite, if only because Timothee Chalomet managed to make Paul a relatable character. Kyle Mclaughlin was weighed down both by a lack of acting expertise and David Lynch's bizarre story choices. Alec Newman's Paul from the 2000 miniseries left no impression on me at all. He was all right, I guess. Chalomet doesn't look physically imposing, but I can buy that he's a quick and deadly knife fighter.
See, I find that funny, because that whole bit wasn't even in the book if I recall. So the whole thing about Jamis teaching him about the trees, I was like, "wait-is this the same guy?"
In the book, Princess Irulan quotes a verse from a poem by Paul entitled "Lament for Jamis on the Funeral Plain." To the end of his days Paul never stopped mourning the man he was forced to kill to become Fremen (and whose wife he inherited).
Yep but it says too Jamis was a victim of his folly and tarried with trifles.. even Stilgar said Jamis had too much ghafla, too hasty, he couldve not challenged Jessica and Paul so soon..
I loved this scene.. Jamis comes to learn that Paul is the better fighter.. You see the evolution of anger, frustration, realization all in the span of seconds.. Jamis knows he is a dead man..
In the book Lady Jessica installed fear into Jamis. Show by his rapid emotional response. Also in the book Chani advised Paul when Jamis does the hand swap, he always lunges to the left. That was why Paul could step out of the way and stab Jamis in the kidney.
@@TheDa6781 With the length of that knife, that's going through intestines. Even if he hit nothing vital, that stab would have immediately bled out the moment he pulled out his blade.
i found this film so disappointing sadly... i way more enjoyed the series made with children of dune.... this.. was just a little off... and not helped by the woke slips on the book... just didn't fit right the new characters....
@@anonymouslyunknown4811 i was hoping this one would beat the series but i found myself comparing the two and the movie coming off second best... i found so much at fault from the movie and i hate myself for not just sitting back and enjoying it.... i will most likely still see the other movie but maybe it will seems better as i wont be expecting as much...lol (i hope so..)
@@albertbresca8904 how was it woke sure they left stuff out but that's unavoidable since the book is nearly a bible with all the random bits of information they put in here and there
A child died in that fight, and a galaxy will bleed because of it. Way to go vlad. Just couldn’t let go of a grudge. Update: Hey vlad... you done goofed.
you say that like its a bad thing? if I remember right this eventually leads to the human race existing thousands of years longer than it otherwise would have thus nevermind the few people that get killed in the wake of the God kings holy war lol, if anyone is to blame its the Vajje Ginnera -the old broad who looks as though her pu**y must be like wet toilet paper or at best a very old cookie like it'll just fall apart in your hand, you know who I'm talking about
@@catalystactual6491 paul experienced numerous visions/dreams where Jamis was his mentor and friend. we learned in this one that he was experiencing potential timelines and outcomes
Saw a lot of people saying this fight was bad choriographed or directed poorly and I honestly have no idea what they'r talking about. It is so elegant yet so organic and realistic. It may not be the most intense moment in terms of action, but it's a turning point in Paul's jurney. Perfect spot to end part 1
Anyone who say this fight was “bad choreographed” and “dIrECTly pOorLy” has NO idea on what they’re saying at all. This is one of the BEST grounded knife fights off all time from its spectacular realistic choreography and beautifully directed in a climax super exciting way! It’s a PHENOMENAL way how to end off the movie at its climax as Paul meets up with the Fremen and becomes one of them. I get chills and goosebumps every time I watch this scene to the movie! Fantastic every time! MASTERPIECE of a movie all the way throughout. Anyone who says otherwise is a complete fool! And I’m glad you have artwork of jamis as your profile pic! Looks pretty cool!
I think they are too used to stuff like captain america or john wick stylish flexible and dynamic use of fighting, so these fights look stiff and weird for usual standards, but this by far, much more realistic and similar to IRL knife fighting, the stiffness, the solid posture, the focus, its much more real Ans even in universe explanation, is just the fact that using weapons and martial prowess had to be relearned and this is the result, a new way of fighting that looks alien, but is effective in universe, and its not that far off of what we know Its perfect
@@galakticboss Exactly but Captain America style of fighting and John Wick stylish flexible and dynamic is ALWAYS amazing and super cool and sweet to see. But this fight is just WAY more grounded and fantastic to see also in it's on way. This style of fighting isn't at all "alien", it's very similar to our own real world fighting, outside of shield combat.
@@smellypatel5272 it’s NOT “bAD” in the slightest and anyone who says so is an idiot fool entirely. The marvel movie fights ARE excellent and can be very amazing to see but THIS fight between Paul and Jamis is fantastically realistic and grounded to be a very immersive battle with super clever storytelling in it! Love this fight and love this movie as it’s a Masterpiece throughout!
I think it is odd that they don't have Chani say this in the film....I think we needed to think she cared nothing for Paul (silly little boy) until after the fight when he goes up in her estimation.
@@beccymay701 Judging by the hurt in her eyes when Jamis was killed it was evident she cared for Jamis more than she did for Paul. After all, Jamis was her kinsmen and Paul, a stranger.
@@beccymay701 Will you can't causally have characters verbally says they're thoughts in film, you have to subtle in detail and this movie was EXTREMELY subtle and filled with nuanced performances from not being exposition or explanatory heavy from characters saying things outloud. The movie MASTERFULLY tells what the characters are thinking and feeling from BRILLIANT nuanced acting from the entire cast so I'm glad you can tell what Chani, as the whole cast, is thinking/feeling from their subtle facial expressions alone.
But a true leader does not... Spoilers: Put themselves first before humanity, run from their duty and responsibility out of fear, and leave his children to suffer in his stead.
This fight is AMAZING. 0:30 Paul's first kill chance -- "DO YOU YIELD?" 0:43 Jamis breaks from the hold, Paul converts to a new kill shot, positioned for an underhand stab at Jamis's abdomen, but he's not mentally prepared to do it. 0:45 Jamis bats the crysknife away, only for Paul to return it to his neck. 0:48 A swift exchange of blows puts the crysknife to Jamis' neck yet again -- "Is he toying with him?" 0:56 Jamis takes advantage of the hesitation and knocks Paul to the ground 0:59 Jamis screams in frustration while Paul is on the ground -- he knows full well he should be dead 4 times over, and feels insulted 1:20 Behind the back switch to catch Paul with the off-hand -- but Paul sees it coming, dodges around, and gets the fatal backstab in You don't generally see this kind of grounded fighting in movies anymore. It has a lot of cuts - a LOT of cuts, which is becoming a problem in a lot of other movies now - but they’re all very purposeful, they’re not being done to cover up dodgy choreography.
The actors were very well trained for this. Best knife fight I've seen in a movie yet, captures the unpredictability of knife fights while at the same time doing a key moment in the book justice. And all without a lot of talking and voiceovers
0:89 I believe Jamis eyes were conveying that he knows Paul is the superior duelist. So he doesn't even bother setting up his feint. He lunges forward wanting to end it. Paul did.
What's cool is that Paul doesn't see the knife switch. He *knows* it's a thing Jamis does, because he's had visions of the duel and visions of their possible friendship. The ultimate cheat, and a sad death for Paul. It must feel awful to be in his situation.
To me Jamis' knife switch from one hand to the other should have been in front. Set up the position where Jamis looks like he is leading with the knife hand, but as Jamis moved forward he dropped the knife into his other hand. Thanks to a combo of BG training, hand to hand training/experience, and KH prescience Paul is able to spot the swap, avoid being stabbed, and kill Jamis. The rest of the Fremen would react as they do here, as Jamis' tactic of swapping the knife like that was often used to win a fight and several of them had been defeated in practice duels in that manner. Paul is younger than any of them and made defeating Jamis seem almost easy.
What i liked about this scene is that it's not about phisical strength but who's more agile and fluid. Even in the scene with Gurney, you can see that Paul is much faster and has a grace in his movements, probably thanks to his mother.
Bene Gesserit basically have complete muscle control, and are faster and stronger than everyone despite being all female and smaller in stature. Paul has the same training via his mother.
I just love Jamis, his character from the books is so well translated here IMO. He's Pauls first lesson just as Paul is his final lesson - to not underestimate an opponent just because he's an outsider. Jamis fury here is so well done, he's a warrior, he sees that Paul is the better fighter, his screams are those of a man raging against the night, "give it your best, I'm not afraid!".
You can feel his frustration. He died, once, twice, thrice and again, and again... He is giving his all yet it looks like Paul is toying with him, humiliating him, shattering his honor. Even if he is victorious by sheer luck, it will be without honor because deep down, he knows that he died ten times already by the hand of this outsider, this damn kid. And when Paul finally stabbed him, he is serene because he accept dead, he knew that he was merelly escaping it by the pity of his oppenent. He knows that he will die with honor and that this kid may really be the One after all. Never read the book, but that's what I took from this amazing scene.
As someone who never read the book Jamis was so tragic it was genuinely heartbreaking when he was killed especially when we've seen multiple instances earlier that he could have been Paul's greatest friend.
@@shara30000 Mostly the film, they imply it rather heavily in visions at first that he may have been the one to teach Paul the ways of the Fremen and the desert. Just like the showed visions of Paul dying. All possibilities.
@@LayneBenofsky Also sets up a bit of a grim view of the future, too, when Duncan comes back as a ghola. A recurring theme that Paul's friends are all ghosts in one way or another
@@LayneBenofsky I just re-read the scene of Jamis' funeral yesterday and thought the same thing. The "Friend of Jamis"-scene now has a solid foundation without needing much exposition, if they include it in the next movie.
Guys, as someone who read the book about 20 years ago (at age 15), watching all the movies and series, playing the games, being super excited for this film ( I think Denis is THE best director alive), the result was even better, than I hoped. I truly don't understand some comments, like "it would be better with lower expectations"-stuff. there IS NO need to make an exact copy of every scene from the book, cause book is NOT a movie, and will never be. Its a different language or art. Characters and actors, timeline, different parts of a story and other details are important, but not as important as the general feeling of what You have seen - the atmosphere and the spirit. Cause art is about feelings and not logic or calculations. And those Denis accomplished brilliantly. I think its by far the best adaptation, and generally an amazing film. And I am super hyped for the second part.
Exactly! I LOVED the Dune movie, it was a Masterpiece. Absolute Masterpiece of a movie ! ANYONE that says “iT WOulD bE bETteR wItH loWeR eXpECtIoNs” is completely out of their mind and has ZERO idea on what they’re talking about here as this movie was fantastic all the way through and this final fight was one of the greatest grounded knife fights of all time from how brutal and gritty it is! I cannot WAIT to see more! That was so phenomenal and cinematic immersive experience that I did NOT want the movie to end. I’m so hyped to see more Dune films of that caliber in the future. PHENOMENAL as one of the greatest sci-fi films of the 21th century as well!
@@TheMylittletony That scene was actually made but wasn't put in due to time constricts and pacing. It was "important" in the books but the movie works MASSIVELY fine and perfectly understandable for audiences who don't know the source material without the "dinner scene" and other scenes that you say are "lot of important stuff out" as you don't get what works seamlessly in a novel doesn't so much for a movie at all. This film had a 2 hour limit and you have to choose wisely which scenes should be kept in and this movie MASTERFULLY chooses all the important central parts for most audience to understand EXTREMELY well. You can't put everything in a novel and put it in a movie, that should obvious as that's the case for EVERY adaption ever.
@@TheMylittletony this is not cause Denis cant direct, this cause the current generation is shallow and hyperactive to watch a 3 hours movie. the new batman is 2.55 just cause everyone will go to watch it anyway, although it was WAY slower and many scenes were totally unnecessary. Id like those 20 minutes being cut and added to the Dune
@@TheMylittletony Bro, the movie was almost 3 hours long!!! And they still have 3 more movies that'll most likely also be the same length You're crazy to be upset about cut content.... I mean do you want 4 movies with each being 4 hours long? You're insane if you say yes.
I just realized. Him “toying” with Jamis, the choreography is almost exactly the same as his training scene with Gurney, with the roles reversed. This movie, man.
Another thing is, when she says that Paul has never killed, the rest of the freman were shocked and called her a liar in the books. Thats somewhat shown on his face as she says it. Jamais underestimated paul because he was a child, they all did. And a child shouldnt have the skills of an adult who has survived many battles. As skilled as paul is? They believed the only way he became so skilled was by killing many many men, and thus were awestruck and in disbelief that he had never killed a man. After this fight, they still dont believe and stilgar says to Paul, that "You will not play with me like you played with Jamais"As he knows paul is skilled enough to pose a threat
Paul may have just met him, but he's gotten to know Jamis through the visions of the future, and is hesitant to take that first step to becoming the leader of the Fremen, but must do so despite his moral conflict.
Chills man.. chills. Denis proves more and more with each release how much passion and respect for projects will get you so much farther in an audiences eyes than money grabbing B.S.
@YūGen Grey he’s one of the greatest directors of our time after making masterpiece movie after masterpiece movie! And this movie is another masterpiece! Love this so much! Phenomenal director making a phenomenal movie! I can’t wait for more!
This is the exact moment where the path leading to jihad became unavoidable and there was no more turning back possible for Paul after that. We can see some of paul's visions of the holy war during the fight, this is an awesome detail This scene is extremely important for the ⊃∪∩⪽ saga and Villeneuve did a great job by putting it at the climax of part one.
I can't speak much for the books, but in the film, Paul is later given the option to leave the planet, but declines, saying he'll finish the path his father started. "Desert power", he says. Killing Jamis wasn't the exact moment. Paul had a choice afterwards. True, with his house destroyed he'd be living the life of a peasant if he were to leave Arrakis, which is probably a step down for the son of a duke. But he knew what "Desert Power" would lead to, and chose that path anyways.
Actually Jihad WAS avoidable even after killing Jamis, it was always avoidable. Paul had only to chose between: Family honour and revenge or Living normal life as a part of Stilgar tribe First thing would bring Jihad and death of millions, second casting away his name, origin and family honour. Paul has chosen first one - he decided to avenge his father and regain rightful place of his house and he needed Fremens to achieve his goal, but little Paul knew that from puppet master, he would become puppet himself for the very people he used in the first place. When he will become emperor and living God, he will understand the weight and responsibility his decision brought onto him. Millions of deaths and life of his precious concubine, mother of his children. Yet when final moment came to deal with destiny, Paul ran away from his responsibility, and forced his own son to take his place. That's why Paul is so great character, character with depth that only God Emperor possessed. Depth which heroes from "Heretics.." and "Chapterhause.." lacked. He is not a hero, he is not a messiah. Paul was a man with flaws, just like we are.
This movie represented EVERTYTHING well and BEYOND gloriously as well. LOVE this film so much for it! Phenomenal film from beginning to end! MASTERPIECE of a film and one of the greatest movies of the 21th century!
A rewatch of the film showed me how Paul has known Jamis and has learned from him for a very long time, through Pauls' visions, before they met each other in real life. It's beautiful seeing how Paul reacts to seeing, and then having to kill him, and him seeing other timelines of their relationship as the fight goes.
The only thing that I was disappointed by in the scene is the immediate aftermath…in the books the Fremen are bewildered an highly moved when Paul sheds tears over the man he has slain - “Sacrificing his water” for the man he has slain…they were greatly moved by it…and that should have been included. It could also be included in Part 2 and I hope it will be.
Paul STILL looks sad and miserable that he killed Jamis here in this scene. You can still and it's shown in subtle details. it will happen in part 2 as everything can't be as seamless from the adaption due to pacing. Denis knows this as he still makes paul sadden by jamis' death in subtle ways for the audience to know.
This scene gave me goosebumps. Especially after Paul's first full counter into Jamis fit of rage for denying him death. What an amazing, well-done scene.
In the book and reflected in the this movie, Paul understood that his "terrible purpose" was heading towards the path of Jihad for the Freeman people. Frank Herbert gave hints of this at different parts of the first book. You see it reflected in Paul's visions in the movie. None of his visions are absolute especially at this time because Paul hasn't fully unlocked becoming the Kwisatch Haderach. It isn't until he partakes the Water of Life which happens a few years later. Even then his visions become much clearer, he never really has a complete view of the future. Paul is not really the hero, he is the focal point of why it is dangerous for a fervent religious and grudge holding society to avoid placing their faith in such potential heroes. In the end this plays out in Dune Messiah, which was not as popular as the first book with readers, but it is a fascinating look at what happens once you achieve ultimate power. The cycle never ends, you obtain power and others arise that seek such power for themselves. Even those most loyal to you end up becoming blind to situation which is the metaphor that plays out by the end of that book. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 30K years in the future, and Herbert's story is a morality story as old as time. The more we seek power, the more ruin we inflict on ourselves. The moment that Paul kills Jamis is the moment he starts cascading towards that terrible purpose unable to change the course of that destiny, with the irony being the only way to prevent it was for Jamis to have killed Paul.
@@woodwyrm are you talking about in this movie? If so then yes, he hasn’t become the KH. Because he hasn’t yet taken the water of life. In the books Paul is referred constantly as the KH in Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. After he had taken the Water of Life. The visions in the movie are incomplete and scattered versions of a potential future. In the books He never refers himself as the Padishah - he is just the Emperor. The title Padishah refers to House Corrine.
@@woodwyrm He was the KH, except in the manner that he was never controlled by the BG. He abandoned the Golden Path to break free of the predetermined Destiny at the end of Messiah hence him giving up that mantle when he was blinded by the stone burner and left to wander the desert. Giving up the role does not mean he wasn’t the KH. His son ultimately fulfilled that role later.
While I understand that Frank was likely trying to show the dangers of power, aka the saying about it you quote, I think its important to note that neither Paul nor Leto II - who are the literal plot devices to show this - never actually become corrupted by their power. Leto II becomes a tyrant, yes, but only because he knows its Humanities only chance to escape the cycle and survive. So in actuality, he is a hero, but no one can see it. Unlike his father, Leto II accepted the Golden Path as his fate and took it. Whereas Paul perhaps felt trapped by his fate and certainly proved unwilling to go the whole way. Leaving it to his son to take up the rest.
Challenging a woman would be ok with Fremen, their women are fighters. He couldn't challenge Sayyadina (Bene Gesserit sister or priestess in Fremen culture) because they are too valuable.
He tried to beat on Jessica thinking because she was some sort of princess therefore she couldn't fight but she could lol Also, he fought Paul only because he can't stand the idea of some outsider, let alone a foreign nobility at that, joining the Fremen and knowing where their sietches are located.
It was also Paul not knowing Fremen custom. If he asked 'do you yield' during a fight to the death it would be an insult. But if Paul had killed and the custom was to ask the opponent if they yield, that to me would be worse.
There is a very subtle thing this movie does that I’ll try to explain. In the movie you see Paul living his future visions you actually see Jamis as his friend promising to teach him the ways of the desert. After this in the books Paul sheds water for the dead (cries) saying he was a friend of Jamis. I thought it was a really nice nuance, because for the book it gives a different context to why he is that upset about killing someone who would have killed him without a second thought and for the movie he isn’t playing with him, he doesn’t want to kill someone he has seen will become his friend.
EXACTLY! this movie portrayed that beautifully well from understanding the same message! This movie represented EVERYTHING well and BEYOND gloriously as well. LOVE this film so much for it! Phenomenal film from beginning to end! MASTERPIECE of a film and one of the greatest movies of the 21th century!
Considering what I've learned about desert people messing with the mothers of chosen ones, they are lucky he didn't flip and only reluctantly killed Jamis instead of every single one of them. And not just the Fremen. But the woFremen, and the childFremen too.
One thing I noticed comparing the two dramatizations from the book is that Lynch's Arrakis is a dangerous, desolate and scary place you do best to avoid. Villeneuve's Arrakis is portrayed more as beautiful, almost magical but treacherous. I like both really, but appreciate Villeneuve's take on it as it shows how Arrakis is a unique part of the universe that a person might well come to love and respect as the Fremen do.
to me they strike two different dualities, villenueve’s is showing the more “cinematic” version of the world, and doesnt get gritty whilst lynches gets real gritty into the scifi, like the navigator guild
1:02 this might sound cliche but I think this is when Paul realises he cannot avoid his destiny anymore and has to kill Jamis. Its like a point of no return now. You can tell by the way he changes the hold on the knife. When he was telling him to yield he really just trying to avoid what he already knew was true
EXACTLY! It's not "cliche" at all what you said, It's extremely valid take and makes sense. Paul needed to do what he HAD to do. This movie is phenomenal for doing so from beginning to end, MASTERPIECE of a movie!
@@Gadget-Walkmen also nice little detail, exactly at this scene you can hear reverend mother say "kwisatz haderach rise" wich basically means chosen one rise 🙂
@@lp.shakur love that sinister voice that was used as Paul makes the choice to kill Jamis, Paul KNEW at that moment he had to move forward no matter what as he could not go back on anything. No matter how hard it hurt and he didn’t want it to happen.
Any fight I've ever seen, the eventual winner remains calm as the eventual loser loses all composure. Both Paul Atreides & Death were fighting this man, & his emotional outbursts reflected it.
Precisely, he knows what's coming, what simply *must* come, goading Paul to follow through. If Paul will not, Jamis will use Paul's refusal to do so against him if he can...
If you learn any art of fighting, you'll be taught to keep a clear head, study your opponent and launch only for the best strike, otherwise you let your rage overcome your senses, leaving you striking blindly.
Yet Stilgar warned him not to because after he saw what the "weirding woman" was capable of he must've realized that she would've taught Paul to do the same, lol.
This looked like shit. Just a sloppy knife fight in 'anywhere Arizona.' Mad Max Fury Road had a much more alien, but real look to its environment. Maybe it wasn't it wasn't in the budget.
Facts. That’s gonna be an epic fight. Especially since by then Paul’s gonna have trained with the Fremen as well, and we don’t know who’s going to play Feyd. It’s gonna be lit.
it depends on how they portray the fight, they missed out on a lot of detail in this fight between Paul and Jamis, between Feyd and Paul there is much more going on to try and capture
The actor playing Jamis is very good, lot's of acting with just the face. After that first exchange, his face very clearly communicates his thoughts, namely "Ok...I really thought you'd be dead by now...let me try this again..."
The more I watch this scene, the more I realise that Jamis yelling at him at the end is basically him saying "just do it already, just end thist" After Paul is easily able to get multiple killing blows, Jamis' eyes widen so much in realization of how good Paul actually is.
One of the best scenes. When I heard the whisper “Kwisatz Haderach.” Then that soft escalating rattling voice “climb up. Rise.” God Villanueve is brilliant
I mean it really has to be torturous to psych yourself up and prepare for death, hoping that it comes too fast to worry, only to be repeatedly be spared at the killing stroke. I don't care how strong you think you are, I don't think anyone could handle that stress for long.
Forgetting for just one second that Paul's "Fatal strike" upon Jamis was downright cruel (Getting stabbed in the Vena Cava is utterly vicious - AND horrifically painful!) it's also slow - Most fatal knife wounds kill in about 3 to 5 seconds - that particular strike..? takes anywhere from 10 to 30, and that is a VERY long time to die, via bleeding out! Gurney and Duncan may have shown Paul how to fight, but his mother Jessica..? taught him how to ~REALLY~ make it hurt! (Clearly her Harkonnen blood was showing in her tutelage of her son!) It's a NOT So minor miracle Jamis didn't scream in utter agony. (or rather, gasp or gag in pain - getting stabbed there..? you simply can't; All your breath is just gone! you just..? gasp, if that.) Watching Paul's inner conflict over the whole thing..? was just icing on the cake of a GLORIOUSLY filmed scene! It also shows that the fight choreographer knew his business.
@@jtcrook32 True, VERY true! But then again, if getting just punched in the kidneys (or the liver - another 100% kill-shot Paul had but didn't take!) hurts like Hell, (and it does! A middle weight can drop a heavy weight if either of those are hit) getting stabbed there..? is pure pain. I'd say Jamis was lucky Paul didn't get REALLY nasty and twist the blade.
@@Kallixede Spoiler Warning - Jessica is the daughter of The Baron. (she's also the daughter Gaius Helen Mohaim. Which certainly explains why The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother was so harsh w/her.)
Paul saw the visions of Jamis teaching him the ways of the desert. He already considered him a friend and didn’t want to kill him. He also saw himself killed by Jamis’ knife trick and he wanted to avoid that too. It wasn’t until he “beat” him the second time he realized there was no way to convince Jamis, whatever chance at the future where Jamis was his friend had passed, It was kill or be killed. That’s really tragic, knowing you could have saved a life and had a great friendship but losing it before it even began because you didn’t take an opportunity to make that future or see the way to make it reality
My favorite performance in the movie is from Babs. He brought a real gravitas to this character. Although there were many complaints that Denis ended the film shortly after this scene, it was the most appropriate place to bring part one to a halt. I wished they would have filmed both parts simultaneously like Peter Jackson did 2o years earlier with the Lord of the Rings trilogy. But we will have to wait 2 years for our sequel.
Denis ended the film PERFECTLY for part 1 as it was fantastic final for the film entirely. Any of those "complaints" are nonsensical as the movie had a "part 1" in the start of the film so they should have known the movie would have to stop at one point without telling the complete story in one film which this movie FANTASTICALLY did.
1:19 That was a slick maneuver Jamis tried. Putting his hands behind his back to hide which hand the knife would be in when he went in for the attack. Too bad it didn't work.
in the books, Paul is given Jamis' water after killing him because they "lose moisture to the air while fighting" -- because they strip to loincloths for the fight. why would you damage something so essential to life in the desert with a knife? both theatrical films have them fight in suits. I can't recall how it's handled in the SciFi miniseries adaptation.
I liked the fight scene in the 1984 movie. But this... the sheer dominance of Pauls vastly superior fighting style, the atmospheric lack of music, the whole plotpoint of Jamis showing him the way of the desert by being killed, and how this perfectly ties into the main theme of Pauls Visions, the amazing visuals, and the bone-chilling music at the end... This movie is a straight up masterpiece and I cannot wait for Part 2.
This. ^ Paul having visions of Jamis being a teacher to him were an interesting twist. In the books, when they take Jamis’s water and present it to Paul, he ends up hanging onto it his whole life. In fact, I think even thousands of years later, his son, Leto II, has the skin filled with Jamis’s water. It was THAT much of a lesson to Paul in the books.
Paul could have killed him from the first moment, when Jamis realizes this he is filled with rage, rage that increases as he realizes that Paul is not only a worthy opponent, but that he is superior to him.
I was a friend of Jamis. Once, long ago, when I made my first comment on a Dune video clip. Jamis gave me 2 thumbs up... even though you are only suposed to be able to give 1. Because as Jamis put it: "the vast expanse of these Tubes Of You, are rough lands. And sometimes you just need an extra helping hand."
To me the turning point in the fight is actually quite early - at 0:08 Jamis thought he could end things quickly with an aggressive opening attack that would overwhelm Paul. But even after being stunned by the first blow, thrown while he wasn't looking, Paul quickly gathers himself and parries the attacks with relative ease - "that all you got, George?" Jamis has to step back and reassess: "Damn. This kid is better than I expected." He still doesn't believe it though and dives back again with an aggressive attack. As Paul holds him off longer and longer, Jamis' strikes get more desperate, trying to end things quickly until he is stunned to find Paul's hesitant blade at his throat.
Love the touch of Jamis changing hands with the knife. In the book there's a moment where Paul remembers Gurney teaching him to watch the blade rather than the wielding hand, as it can be held in either.
If Jamis didn't switch his knife to the other hand at 0:27 he could have killed Paul easily by just thrusting forward. Paul basically lunged at Jamis' knife in his right hand there but Jamis decided to switch hands for no apparent reason...
1:19 Small book detail: Just before the fight, Chani warns Paul about a "Knife-shift" move Jamis might use. Even though that dialogue is cut from the movie, Jamis still tries it, and Paul is ready for it, killing him.
I really hope they start off the second movie with Paul weeping over Jamis' body. "Giving water to the dead" is such an important point to the Fremen, which earns their respect for him.
I like that Paul comes off so strong in this film and how it's basically all done by showcasing his mental strength. All this is done dispite Him not being physically intimidating. After this scene I looked at Paul like a completely different person
You can see the pain on Jamis’ face at 0:54 after Jessica says “paul has never killed a man” realizing he never stood a chance and its making paul drag out his death longer than it should, its mental torture really,
I love this little moment at 0:14. Jamis face is no longer confident, hes shocked. He expected to have killed this kid in the first exchange, instead he realizes Paul is a formidable fighter, what he doesnt quite know yet is just how good he is. But now, hes exercising caution, taking a moment to study him, whereas before, he would face and look away from him because he thought he was no threat.
What I love about this fight in particular is that the other fights featuring trained, skilled & experienced fighters have music playing in the background. In contrast, the lack of soundtrack here emphasizes Paul’s lack of experience. Since the story is from his perspective the fight is grounds reality for both him & the audience viewing it. There is no glory behind the fight, it is an inexperienced boy fighting for him and his mom’s survival. The whole movie hyped us up for the final 10 minutes and what we got was a fight that lacked fanfare to remind us about the brutality of the desert, of the Dune. That this will be how the next story begins.
Paul isn’t inexperienced here, he’s highly trained and a lethal fighter. Stilgar immediately after the fight tells Paul that when you try to challenge me for leader, you won’t play with me like you did Jamis.
I enjoyed the subtle hints of the meaning of this fight through Pauls Visions of Jamis. "Come with me, I will teach you the way of the desert" and so on. It sets the expactation in the viewer that Jamis will become some sort of friendly mentor figure for Paul... And oh boy he sure does...
Anyone think about the connection between how Paul fights and his grandfather's career as a bullfighter? makes a feint and then goes for the kill in Jamis' back. The movie make so many references to the bullfighter and Paul literally carries that on through his fight with Jamis.
I love the expression of Jamis when Paul tells him to yield. The embarrassment is a fate worse than death and that makes him so angry. Amazing climax to an amazing film!
Love how Jamis intentionally falls on his side to leave the wound face-up, minimizing the amount of blood that spilled onto the ground so his tribe could reclaim the water. Amazing subtle detail!
This is like a Choose Your Own Adventure books but in a movie form for the main character. Kinda cool. We don't know what the future really holds. We just get glimpses of possible futures.
we spent 3 hours so that we could care about every single stroke of this fight. the fact that we cared so much about the result, is the genius of how villeneuve puts a movie together.
Jamis’s death is quintessentially tragic because Paul saw Jamis as a friend in his visions, and looked to Jamis’s spirit for guidance, even after Jamis’s death. Paul felt love for Jamis, in the Greek sense of philia, and he literally shed tears over Jamis’s death, something which impressed the Fremen, but which also marked a turning point in Paul’s life. The Paul who wouldn’t hurt a fly had to die in order for him to become a warrior, a Feydakin. He had to throw his unwillingness to take human life aside in order to become the Kwisatz-Haderach. Paul had to die for Muad’Dib to be born. And this foreshadows the death of Paul by drinking the water of life to awaken his latent powers as the Lisan al Gaib, the Mahdi.
This victory made him Muaad'dib, but this made him a Freman: "I was a friend of Jamis,” Paul whispered. He felt tears burning his eyes, forced more volume into his voice. “Jamis taught me... that... when you kill... you pay for it. I wish I'd known Jamis better.” The Fremen, in absolute awe: "He gives water to the dead"
One of the absolute best things about the Dune adaptation was that they actually take armour into account and it actually exists rather than just being part of a cosmetic like in so many movies. You notice when the Duncan, the Atreides and Saudakar are fighting getting through the shields isn't enough because they're all covered in full body armour, they're literally all making thrusts and more commonly drawcuts to exposed or weak points in the armour such as the neck, armpits, side of the groin, back of the knees etc. Even the suits they're wearing outside offer a lot of resistance from cutting but thrusts will go through.
It is by no means realistic. Both had openings that they ignored and both are visibly no attacking most volubility points in the body. It does look good cinematically which is what the goal was.
Jessica, Chani and the Fremen don't know it yet but putting Paul Atreides in a situation where he has to make his first kill, the 1st step in going from Paul Atreides to the Kwisatz Haderach, will be the most dangerous thing they could have done. This is where he begins committing to his dark purpose and designs for the known universe.
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In the book, Paul sheds a tear for Jamis and Stilgar and the others see it as great respect due to water being sacred. Paul shared his water with Jamis.
Thank you for this detail, makes me want to read the books.
I was surprised they omitted this detail, I thought it was a massive moment in the fight.
"He gives water for the dead."
That moment happens later in the book (when they add Jamis' water to the tribe and divide his belongings); we might still get to see it in the second movie
that's right, it becomes part of his Fremen mythology - which Jessica intentionally triggers it by saying 'how does it feel to kill a man' or something, the Bene Gesserit had created a religion with a carefully constructed messiah (who Paul is tailored to resemble) thus would begin his Jihad. All began by taking Jamis water, and giving a tear drop of his own.
One thing that surprised me of this movie is how this duel was anticipated as the good old cliché fight where the underdog protagonist struggles but wins while instead it turned out to be a one sided domination for the main character
Yep, just like in the book - I like the slight concern Jessica initially has but then she reminds herself that Paul has been trained to fight from a very young age by Duncan and Gurney. Plus her Bene Gesserit training..basically no-one stands much of a chance in one-on-one combat with Paul.
It makes sense because in the book, Paul is 15 years old and small for his age as well. So people underestimate him until he reveals that he is actually a really skilled fighter.
Right? It’s such a fun moment in the cinema, especially if you watch it with someone who doesn’t know what’s coming. “Oh god he’s going to be okay, he’ll be okay, ri-- *whoa*”
That’s a curbstomp beat down for the ages and the sages. On the bright side, Jamis goes down in history as the Kwisatz Haderach’s first blood, which is pretty impressive.
They also minimized Lady Jessica actions in the movie. In the book Lady Jessica planted fear into Jamis and acceptance into Stilgar. That is why Stilgar ordered Lady Jessica to be quite. But it was too late.
I was surprised at the choice of actor for the role, that kids couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Looks like a strong fart could finish him off.
Love the way that Stilgar's eyes widen when he's told that paul has never killed and yet is dominating one of his best men
It seems to alarm him for two reasons.
First, he's shocked that Paul is so skilled despite having never shed blood.
Second, he knows what such an act does to someone. Stilgar realizes he's thrown this kid into a fight for his life where even if he survives, he will be changed forever.
@@MrImastinker There's a third element.
It's the moment Stilgar starts to believe that Paul may truly be what was prophesized.
@@CognizantCheddar muad’DRIP!
@@MrImastinker Wait until he meets Leto II Lmfao
@@luiousy7329 But Leto II isn't in this movie so who cares--maybe focus on what's actually presented instead of giggling at your future fantasy assumptions.
The real fight here is not Paul vs Jamis, it's inocent Paul Atreides vs the Kwizatz Haderach to come. All the dramatic tension of the scene came from that internal struggle. By killing Jamis, Paul killed a part of his humanity and take a step leading to his terrible purpose. The death of this friend-to-be, as saw in Paul's visions, carry so much sadness... So well done!
Yeah I didn't think about it until I read deeper and realized Dune is more about Paul trying to fight off becoming the Messiah he sees in his visions while still trying to stop the plot of the Emperor wanting to destroy his family by getting the help of the Fremen.
@göksu gün alioğlu Absolutely and the way the adaptation succeed in giving a tragic tone to the fight and the outcome nailed this idea. In this, the visions of an alternative future where Jamis is a friend, earlier in the movie, are genius and contribute to the tragedy of his death. During the fight, Paul's hesitations to kill his opponent shows really well the internal struggle. All of this is great stuff and demonstrate that this movie is not simply a good adaptation but a true masterpiece (for me at least). We can see the love and understanding Villeneuve have for Herbert work.
"i was a friend of Jamis. He thought me that when you kill, you pay for it."
Pretty much all of Paul's conflict is with what he is destined to become.
He sees the Golden Path before him, and is not willing to take it.
Paul's conflict was never really the physical part of it. He is basically a god among men.
You can see the pain it causes him and how close to tears he is. Like the book, "he gives water to the dead!" Impressive movie.
I mean, to be fair, the guy had no idea that he was about to fight a combination of jesus/buddha/muhammed with weapons training. Look at it that way, he did pretty well.
with basically the best weapons training in the universe 🤣
Yeah but he was still a teenager of 15 years. Even if you're prophesied to be great, being young is still being young so all that titles not gonna mean much if you're not that at the moment.
You still need training to do so. Which thankfully Paul did.
Well yeah. He couldn't have known how skilled Paul was. I guess you can assume he knows Paul can fight since he's the son of a great house and they all train in the sword. But he doesn't know he's the messiah genetically bred, and trained by the best in the galaxy
Fremen are the greatest warriors across the entire galaxy, with spice giving them superhuman skills and already deadly to elite soldiers before they're even 8 years old. To get manhandled by a biologically mormal child shows how absurdly lethal Paul was in a fight even before going full Fremen, and how the Atreides legions could've probably put the Fremen in their place if it ever came to war.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232paul is not biologically normal he is the product of a thousand years of bene gesserit breeding he is the peak of human perfection personified.
I love Jamis’s outburst.
What pisses him off the most isn’t that he’s losing. But rather that this superior opponent in Paul is either too cruel to end the fight quickly or too cowardly to take a life.
It infuriates Jamis, so he tries to goad Paul into just getting it over with. You see after the death blow, he resigns himself to his fate and shares a quiet moment of understanding with Paul.
Paul’s vision was fulfilled, and his “friend” Jamis showed him the way of the desert:
You fight, or you die.
Kill or be killed.
You have an amazing interpretation of this scene. It fits beautifully
You are wrong. He is angry, because Paul offers him to yield, which means a disgrace. And just like any human being, he wants to live. So he is given a choise - life in disgrace or death in an honourable fight. He screams to scare thoughts of accepting such a harsch offer, and because he is angry and scared of possibility of living in a shame.
I love your brilliant interpretation of the fight. You are spot on.
@@soltanbaghirli6847 Paul doesn't have enough influence over the Freman for that "offer" to be remotely valid. Both of their lives would be forfiet. The Freman culture of honor, desert survival, water preservation, and a communal "for the tribe" mentality would be too deeply engrained in Jamis for him to need to scream away his softness. It wasn't there in the first place. Your interpretation is way off.
@@soltanbaghirli6847 Agree. Jamis believed to die in honor, sparing him would leave him living in shame. Paul has made several attempt to show that he was defeated, every time he spared him disgraced him even more.
Theres a lot of subtle details here that are explained if you read the book or understand how Paul was trained. After paul yells do you yield, theres a lot of moments where he almost stabs Jamis but stops just before . The Fremen though he was toying with him, but its actually because he was trained to fight using shields, so he had to slow down his blade before hitting so it could penetrate the holtzman shields.
MW is correct. Paul was trained fighting with a defensive shield. The slow blade is the only way to penetrate the shield. In the book, the Fremen accuse Paul of toying with Jamis - as well, Paul has never killed a man.
The whole scene while good left a ton of stuff from the book. In the book, they were back in the sietch. Stilgar and Jessica threatened to kill Jamis if he killed Paul, and they didn’t fight in stillsuits, as that would have been forbidden in Fremen culture. Not to mention Chani told Paul how Jamis fights.
That's a good observation
are warriors in dune trained to slow down the blade? i thought its just comes more as a necessity. what i mean is shield stops the blade and you have to push in order to break through it
@@Konar0002 Yep they are thought to slow down as they approach which suggests the shield isn't like a physical barrier that pushes your sword back rather it's like a frequency detector that deflects whatever is above a certain speed.
One of the things I really liked about this movie is how we've seen Paul's visions of the future up till now, and just accept them as inevitable. But he has several visions of Jamis becoming his friend and teaching him the ways of the desert (and also Jamis killing him in the duel), but ends up having to kill him. The audience is shown without being spoonfed that Paul is seeing *possible* futures, and so those visions of the jihad aren't necessarily set.
Jamis's death is also given an extra touch of pathos, because Paul already recognizes him as a friend, and definitely doesn't want to kill this guy.
Oh, okay..... I never read the book till now (already stored in my bookshelf but university gives me the finger), so I sat in the cinema and thought: "Well... He told Paul that he would train him in the way of the desert. Seems about right. The Desert - especially Arakis - kills you, if you show weakness. Paul had to kill him, to understands this one vital lesson"
But okay..... Guess I was a bit off
He did in a way taught him the ways of the desert, just not in the way he saw in the vision
Paul sees all the possible futures and in one he sees Jamis as his mentor. In that vision Janis teaches him how to fight and Paul learns his weaknesses. He uses that Vision to help kill him in the “now”. Ironic.
@National Socialism Full disclosure: I haven't read the novels, but have seen the three film adaptations. This one was definitely my favorite, if only because Timothee Chalomet managed to make Paul a relatable character. Kyle Mclaughlin was weighed down both by a lack of acting expertise and David Lynch's bizarre story choices. Alec Newman's Paul from the 2000 miniseries left no impression on me at all. He was all right, I guess. Chalomet doesn't look physically imposing, but I can buy that he's a quick and deadly knife fighter.
See, I find that funny, because that whole bit wasn't even in the book if I recall. So the whole thing about Jamis teaching him about the trees, I was like, "wait-is this the same guy?"
In the book, Princess Irulan quotes a verse from a poem by Paul entitled "Lament for Jamis on the Funeral Plain." To the end of his days Paul never stopped mourning the man he was forced to kill to become Fremen (and whose wife he inherited).
Yep but it says too Jamis was a victim of his folly and tarried with trifles.. even Stilgar said Jamis had too much ghafla, too hasty, he couldve not challenged Jessica and Paul so soon..
@@neilmurphy966 yes and if Stilgar didn't try to kill Jessica none of that would have happened.
chani is jamis' wife?
@@lp.shakur no
@@aumelb oh ok, must've read it wrong
The two crackheads outside 7/11 at 1am.
xD instead of knifes its broken bottles
@@Chunky915”May Thy Bottle Chip And Shatter”
@@H2Ojellyfish lmao😂
The group of high dudes watching them.
paul is calm and collected tho, its just the other guy
I loved this scene.. Jamis comes to learn that Paul is the better fighter.. You see the evolution of anger, frustration, realization all in the span of seconds.. Jamis knows he is a dead man..
In the book Lady Jessica installed fear into Jamis. Show by his rapid emotional response. Also in the book Chani advised Paul when Jamis does the hand swap, he always lunges to the left. That was why Paul could step out of the way and stab Jamis in the kidney.
@@Dularr kidney shot would not have killed him instantly
@@TheDa6781 ture he definitely would have bled out for a few with as long as that knife is
He was offended that Paul did not killed him, this is just dishonorable for freemen
@@TheDa6781 With the length of that knife, that's going through intestines. Even if he hit nothing vital, that stab would have immediately bled out the moment he pulled out his blade.
As a massive fan of Dune I'm so glad Denis Villeneuve adapted the book into film can't wait for Part Two this movie was awesome
Villeneuve has also said he'd love to make a trilogy with Dune Messiah being the third movie. That would be really exciting.
i found this film so disappointing sadly... i way more enjoyed the series made with children of dune....
this.. was just a little off... and not helped by the woke slips on the book... just didn't fit right the new characters....
@@albertbresca8904 I've enjoyed every adaptation thus far
@@anonymouslyunknown4811 i was hoping this one would beat the series but i found myself comparing the two and the movie coming off second best...
i found so much at fault from the movie and i hate myself for not just sitting back and enjoying it....
i will most likely still see the other movie but maybe it will seems better as i wont be expecting as much...lol (i hope so..)
@@albertbresca8904 how was it woke sure they left stuff out but that's unavoidable since the book is nearly a bible with all the random bits of information they put in here and there
A child died in that fight, and a galaxy will bleed because of it.
Way to go vlad. Just couldn’t let go of a grudge.
Update: Hey vlad... you done goofed.
you say that like its a bad thing? if I remember right this eventually leads to the human race existing thousands of years longer than it otherwise would have thus nevermind the few people that get killed in the wake of the God kings holy war lol, if anyone is to blame its the Vajje Ginnera -the old broad who looks as though her pu**y must be like wet toilet paper or at best a very old cookie like it'll just fall apart in your hand, you know who I'm talking about
You mean a grown man died in that fight
@@epicchocolate1866 He means the "child" Paul. Not the man he killed.
Jebus. Does no one understand subtly or plot development?
@@Soldier4USA2005 thanks bud!
@@Soldier4USA2005 no... ;D
When Paul fights Feyd Rautha in part 2 he pays homage by doing the Jamis chest thump
Well that and the shatter line
thats just a general fremen fight thing they say@@dwaynekeenum1916
when he is contemplating whether he should go south, he actually outright asks Jamis as well. his death had a great effect on him
@@ApexGale bro knew him for like 5 minutes
@@catalystactual6491 paul experienced numerous visions/dreams where Jamis was his mentor and friend. we learned in this one that he was experiencing potential timelines and outcomes
Saw a lot of people saying this fight was bad choriographed or directed poorly and I honestly have no idea what they'r talking about. It is so elegant yet so organic and realistic. It may not be the most intense moment in terms of action, but it's a turning point in Paul's jurney. Perfect spot to end part 1
Anyone who say this fight was “bad choreographed” and “dIrECTly pOorLy” has NO idea on what they’re saying at all. This is one of the BEST grounded knife fights off all time from its spectacular realistic choreography and beautifully directed in a climax super exciting way! It’s a PHENOMENAL way how to end off the movie at its climax as Paul meets up with the Fremen and becomes one of them. I get chills and goosebumps every time I watch this scene to the movie! Fantastic every time!
MASTERPIECE of a movie all the way throughout. Anyone who says otherwise is a complete fool!
And I’m glad you have artwork of jamis as your profile pic! Looks pretty cool!
I think they are too used to stuff like captain america or john wick stylish flexible and dynamic use of fighting, so these fights look stiff and weird for usual standards, but this by far, much more realistic and similar to IRL knife fighting, the stiffness, the solid posture, the focus, its much more real
Ans even in universe explanation, is just the fact that using weapons and martial prowess had to be relearned and this is the result, a new way of fighting that looks alien, but is effective in universe, and its not that far off of what we know
Its perfect
@@galakticboss Exactly but Captain America style of fighting and John Wick stylish flexible and dynamic is ALWAYS amazing and super cool and sweet to see. But this fight is just WAY more grounded and fantastic to see also in it's on way.
This style of fighting isn't at all "alien", it's very similar to our own real world fighting, outside of shield combat.
This fight is much more realistic than the BS that kids see in marvel movies, which is why they cry about it being bad.
@@smellypatel5272 it’s NOT “bAD” in the slightest and anyone who says so is an idiot fool entirely. The marvel movie fights ARE excellent and can be very amazing to see but THIS fight between Paul and Jamis is fantastically realistic and grounded to be a very immersive battle with super clever storytelling in it!
Love this fight and love this movie as it’s a Masterpiece throughout!
*Jamis:*
The first body of the foundation in Paul's Empire.
The first of over 60 billion.
Certainly not to be the last
"He will switch the knife from one hand to another before the attack..." The book readers will understand.
I loved the description of the fight in the book.
I think it is odd that they don't have Chani say this in the film....I think we needed to think she cared nothing for Paul (silly little boy) until after the fight when he goes up in her estimation.
he was supposed to jump towards Paul moments before the knife switch. It was poor footwork that betrayed the knife switch
@@beccymay701 Judging by the hurt in her eyes when Jamis was killed it was evident she cared for Jamis more than she did for Paul. After all, Jamis was her kinsmen and Paul, a stranger.
@@beccymay701 Will you can't causally have characters verbally says they're thoughts in film, you have to subtle in detail and this movie was EXTREMELY subtle and filled with nuanced performances from not being exposition or explanatory heavy from characters saying things outloud. The movie MASTERFULLY tells what the characters are thinking and feeling from BRILLIANT nuanced acting from the entire cast so I'm glad you can tell what Chani, as the whole cast, is thinking/feeling from their subtle facial expressions alone.
First kill, Paul lost something that he’ll never get back.
you mean Leveled up!
@@Torbjorn311 No. He really lost something...
@ Yes, but as a result his future will be full of...
Spoilers:
Misery, fear, torment and loss.
@@noirangel6416 his childish innocence ?
But a true leader does not...
Spoilers:
Put themselves first before humanity, run from their duty and responsibility out of fear, and leave his children to suffer in his stead.
What elevates this scene to another level is the absence of music until the act of killing. Just the sound of raw, realistic fighting.
This fight is AMAZING.
0:30 Paul's first kill chance -- "DO YOU YIELD?"
0:43 Jamis breaks from the hold, Paul converts to a new kill shot, positioned for an underhand stab at Jamis's abdomen, but he's not mentally prepared to do it.
0:45 Jamis bats the crysknife away, only for Paul to return it to his neck.
0:48 A swift exchange of blows puts the crysknife to Jamis' neck yet again -- "Is he toying with him?"
0:56 Jamis takes advantage of the hesitation and knocks Paul to the ground
0:59 Jamis screams in frustration while Paul is on the ground -- he knows full well he should be dead 4 times over, and feels insulted
1:20 Behind the back switch to catch Paul with the off-hand -- but Paul sees it coming, dodges around, and gets the fatal backstab in
You don't generally see this kind of grounded fighting in movies anymore.
It has a lot of cuts - a LOT of cuts, which is becoming a problem in a lot of other movies now - but they’re all very purposeful, they’re not being done to cover up dodgy choreography.
The actors were very well trained for this. Best knife fight I've seen in a movie yet, captures the unpredictability of knife fights while at the same time doing a key moment in the book justice. And all without a lot of talking and voiceovers
0:89 I believe Jamis eyes were conveying that he knows Paul is the superior duelist. So he doesn't even bother setting up his feint. He lunges forward wanting to end it. Paul did.
What's cool is that Paul doesn't see the knife switch. He *knows* it's a thing Jamis does, because he's had visions of the duel and visions of their possible friendship. The ultimate cheat, and a sad death for Paul. It must feel awful to be in his situation.
To me Jamis' knife switch from one hand to the other should have been in front. Set up the position where Jamis looks like he is leading with the knife hand, but as Jamis moved forward he dropped the knife into his other hand. Thanks to a combo of BG training, hand to hand training/experience, and KH prescience Paul is able to spot the swap, avoid being stabbed, and kill Jamis.
The rest of the Fremen would react as they do here, as Jamis' tactic of swapping the knife like that was often used to win a fight and several of them had been defeated in practice duels in that manner. Paul is younger than any of them and made defeating Jamis seem almost easy.
The cuts were not done in the middle of movements, which a lot of movies do to hide bad choreography
What i liked about this scene is that it's not about phisical strength but who's more agile and fluid. Even in the scene with Gurney, you can see that Paul is much faster and has a grace in his movements, probably thanks to his mother.
In the book Lady Jessica cheated a bit. She installed fear into Jamis. They ordered her to stay silent, but by then it was too late.
@@Dularr Thank goodness it was not done here then. This one sided beatdown is a lot more satisfying.
And because Chalamet has a background in dance and martial arts.
Yeah, but for the love of God, did they make this film look bland.
Bene Gesserit basically have complete muscle control, and are faster and stronger than everyone despite being all female and smaller in stature. Paul has the same training via his mother.
Who else is here after the absolute masterpiece that was Dune Part 2, Denis really outdid himself with these 2 films
Huff gas much?
@@seanhewitt603 What?
Incredible movies
@@codey9 You can dismiss and ignore anyone who ends their phrase with "much?"
This Movie is one of the best pieces of cinema I have seen
I just love Jamis, his character from the books is so well translated here IMO. He's Pauls first lesson just as Paul is his final lesson - to not underestimate an opponent just because he's an outsider. Jamis fury here is so well done, he's a warrior, he sees that Paul is the better fighter, his screams are those of a man raging against the night, "give it your best, I'm not afraid!".
It is rather: "go on, you are better. Spare me the shame. I have already lost. If you will not do it, I will kill you. That is the way of the desert".
Jamis was PERFECTLY represented and portrayed here entirely. Movie was Phenomenal throughout.
You can feel his frustration. He died, once, twice, thrice and again, and again... He is giving his all yet it looks like Paul is toying with him, humiliating him, shattering his honor. Even if he is victorious by sheer luck, it will be without honor because deep down, he knows that he died ten times already by the hand of this outsider, this damn kid. And when Paul finally stabbed him, he is serene because he accept dead, he knew that he was merelly escaping it by the pity of his oppenent. He knows that he will die with honor and that this kid may really be the One after all.
Never read the book, but that's what I took from this amazing scene.
Jamis is a savage who’s trying to kill Paul.
Except he wasn't black in the books.... wait none of the characters were black. Hmm
As someone who never read the book Jamis was so tragic it was genuinely heartbreaking when he was killed especially when we've seen multiple instances earlier that he could have been Paul's greatest friend.
It's gonna get worse.
Tragic sums up the life of Paul Atreides well unfortunately
He was an asshole in the books too. Not sure where you're getting the heartbreaking stuff from.
@@shara30000 Mostly the film, they imply it rather heavily in visions at first that he may have been the one to teach Paul the ways of the Fremen and the desert. Just like the showed visions of Paul dying. All possibilities.
@@YoucancallmeishmaellxD That's like the entire Dune saga: "It's gonna get way worse"
I think this is by far the best version of Jamis that's been portrayed on screen.
I also love that through his earlier visions, Paul could rightfully later say that "he was a friend of Jamis..."
@@LayneBenofsky Also sets up a bit of a grim view of the future, too, when Duncan comes back as a ghola. A recurring theme that Paul's friends are all ghosts in one way or another
@@LayneBenofsky I just re-read the scene of Jamis' funeral yesterday and thought the same thing. The "Friend of Jamis"-scene now has a solid foundation without needing much exposition, if they include it in the next movie.
Guys, as someone who read the book about 20 years ago (at age 15), watching all the movies and series, playing the games, being super excited for this film ( I think Denis is THE best director alive), the result was even better, than I hoped. I truly don't understand some comments, like "it would be better with lower expectations"-stuff. there IS NO need to make an exact copy of every scene from the book, cause book is NOT a movie, and will never be. Its a different language or art. Characters and actors, timeline, different parts of a story and other details are important, but not as important as the general feeling of what You have seen - the atmosphere and the spirit. Cause art is about feelings and not logic or calculations. And those Denis accomplished brilliantly. I think its by far the best adaptation, and generally an amazing film. And I am super hyped for the second part.
Exactly! I LOVED the Dune movie, it was a Masterpiece. Absolute Masterpiece of a movie ! ANYONE that says “iT WOulD bE bETteR wItH loWeR eXpECtIoNs” is completely out of their mind and has ZERO idea on what they’re talking about here as this movie was fantastic all the way through and this final fight was one of the greatest grounded knife fights of all time from how brutal and gritty it is!
I cannot WAIT to see more! That was so phenomenal and cinematic immersive experience that I did NOT want the movie to end. I’m so hyped to see more Dune films of that caliber in the future. PHENOMENAL as one of the greatest sci-fi films of the 21th century as well!
They left a lot of important stuff out though, like the dinner scene.
@@TheMylittletony That scene was actually made but wasn't put in due to time constricts and pacing. It was "important" in the books but the movie works MASSIVELY fine and perfectly understandable for audiences who don't know the source material without the "dinner scene" and other scenes that you say are "lot of important stuff out" as you don't get what works seamlessly in a novel doesn't so much for a movie at all.
This film had a 2 hour limit and you have to choose wisely which scenes should be kept in and this movie MASTERFULLY chooses all the important central parts for most audience to understand EXTREMELY well.
You can't put everything in a novel and put it in a movie, that should obvious as that's the case for EVERY adaption ever.
@@TheMylittletony this is not cause Denis cant direct, this cause the current generation is shallow and hyperactive to watch a 3 hours movie. the new batman is 2.55 just cause everyone will go to watch it anyway, although it was WAY slower and many scenes were totally unnecessary. Id like those 20 minutes being cut and added to the Dune
@@TheMylittletony Bro, the movie was almost 3 hours long!!! And they still have 3 more movies that'll most likely also be the same length You're crazy to be upset about cut content.... I mean do you want 4 movies with each being 4 hours long? You're insane if you say yes.
I just realized. Him “toying” with Jamis, the choreography is almost exactly the same as his training scene with Gurney, with the roles reversed. This movie, man.
If you read the screenplay, they even explicitly say that Paul is deliberately slowing his strikes down as if trying to penetrate a shield.
Another thing is, when she says that Paul has never killed, the rest of the freman were shocked and called her a liar in the books. Thats somewhat shown on his face as she says it. Jamais underestimated paul because he was a child, they all did. And a child shouldnt have the skills of an adult who has survived many battles. As skilled as paul is? They believed the only way he became so skilled was by killing many many men, and thus were awestruck and in disbelief that he had never killed a man. After this fight, they still dont believe and stilgar says to Paul, that "You will not play with me like you played with Jamais"As he knows paul is skilled enough to pose a threat
I like how they showed differences in the cultures, Paul just offended Jamis by not killing him.
Paul may have just met him, but he's gotten to know Jamis through the visions of the future, and is hesitant to take that first step to becoming the leader of the Fremen, but must do so despite his moral conflict.
Chills man.. chills.
Denis proves more and more with each release how much passion and respect for projects will get you so much farther in an audiences eyes than money grabbing B.S.
@YūGen Grey he’s one of the greatest directors of our time after making masterpiece movie after masterpiece movie! And this movie is another masterpiece! Love this so much!
Phenomenal director making a phenomenal movie! I can’t wait for more!
The movie is copied dog shit. What are you talking about.
This is the exact moment where the path leading to jihad became unavoidable and there was no more turning back possible for Paul after that. We can see some of paul's visions of the holy war during the fight, this is an awesome detail
This scene is extremely important for the ⊃∪∩⪽ saga and Villeneuve did a great job by putting it at the climax of part one.
How'd you get that dune font?
It’s was a premonition but the path could still be diverted. It was the loss of later that set the path of the jihad
"this is the exact moment" comments r so fckng annoying lmao
I can't speak much for the books, but in the film, Paul is later given the option to leave the planet, but declines, saying he'll finish the path his father started. "Desert power", he says. Killing Jamis wasn't the exact moment. Paul had a choice afterwards. True, with his house destroyed he'd be living the life of a peasant if he were to leave Arrakis, which is probably a step down for the son of a duke. But he knew what "Desert Power" would lead to, and chose that path anyways.
Actually Jihad WAS avoidable even after killing Jamis, it was always avoidable. Paul had only to chose between:
Family honour and revenge
or
Living normal life as a part of Stilgar tribe
First thing would bring Jihad and death of millions, second casting away his name, origin and family honour.
Paul has chosen first one - he decided to avenge his father and regain rightful place of his house and he needed Fremens to achieve his goal, but little Paul knew that from puppet master, he would become puppet himself for the very people he used in the first place. When he will become emperor and living God, he will understand the weight and responsibility his decision brought onto him.
Millions of deaths and life of his precious concubine, mother of his children.
Yet when final moment came to deal with destiny, Paul ran away from his responsibility, and forced his own son to take his place.
That's why Paul is so great character, character with depth that only God Emperor possessed. Depth which heroes from "Heretics.." and "Chapterhause.." lacked. He is not a hero, he is not a messiah. Paul was a man with flaws, just like we are.
" I was a friend of Jamis, only after I rekt him."
-The Exagerated sayings of Paul-Muad'Dib the Gamer, by the Princess Irulan
"Under our traditions, now you get to wreck jamis wife. Oh yeah, and you also inherit his children. Congratulations, dad."
*spit*
This is one of the key moments in Paul's arc. I think this movie represented well.
This movie represented EVERTYTHING well and BEYOND gloriously as well. LOVE this film so much for it! Phenomenal film from beginning to end! MASTERPIECE of a film and one of the greatest movies of the 21th century!
A rewatch of the film showed me how Paul has known Jamis and has learned from him for a very long time, through Pauls' visions, before they met each other in real life. It's beautiful seeing how Paul reacts to seeing, and then having to kill him, and him seeing other timelines of their relationship as the fight goes.
The only thing that I was disappointed by in the scene is the immediate aftermath…in the books the Fremen are bewildered an highly moved when Paul sheds tears over the man he has slain - “Sacrificing his water” for the man he has slain…they were greatly moved by it…and that should have been included. It could also be included in Part 2 and I hope it will be.
Paul STILL looks sad and miserable that he killed Jamis here in this scene. You can still and it's shown in subtle details. it will happen in part 2 as everything can't be as seamless from the adaption due to pacing. Denis knows this as he still makes paul sadden by jamis' death in subtle ways for the audience to know.
watch closely
you can see it, not everything needs to be spelt out
they felt exactly what you described
@@lp.shakur exactly! The movie is FILLED with brilliant nuances and visual genius subtlety.
If I remember correctly, that scene was during the funeral/giving of water, so it's yet to happen.
@@earlbluetea EXACTLY! That’s what I’ve been saying! It’s yet to happen and it’s likely it will!
This scene gave me goosebumps. Especially after Paul's first full counter into Jamis fit of rage for denying him death. What an amazing, well-done scene.
In the book and reflected in the this movie, Paul understood that his "terrible purpose" was heading towards the path of Jihad for the Freeman people. Frank Herbert gave hints of this at different parts of the first book. You see it reflected in Paul's visions in the movie. None of his visions are absolute especially at this time because Paul hasn't fully unlocked becoming the Kwisatch Haderach. It isn't until he partakes the Water of Life which happens a few years later. Even then his visions become much clearer, he never really has a complete view of the future. Paul is not really the hero, he is the focal point of why it is dangerous for a fervent religious and grudge holding society to avoid placing their faith in such potential heroes. In the end this plays out in Dune Messiah, which was not as popular as the first book with readers, but it is a fascinating look at what happens once you achieve ultimate power. The cycle never ends, you obtain power and others arise that seek such power for themselves. Even those most loyal to you end up becoming blind to situation which is the metaphor that plays out by the end of that book. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. 30K years in the future, and Herbert's story is a morality story as old as time. The more we seek power, the more ruin we inflict on ourselves. The moment that Paul kills Jamis is the moment he starts cascading towards that terrible purpose unable to change the course of that destiny, with the irony being the only way to prevent it was for Jamis to have killed Paul.
But Paul never becomes the Kwisatz Haderach, his visions show him what may come to pass during his tenure is Padishah.
@@woodwyrm are you talking about in this movie? If so then yes, he hasn’t become the KH. Because he hasn’t yet taken the water of life. In the books Paul is referred constantly as the KH in Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. After he had taken the Water of Life. The visions in the movie are incomplete and scattered versions of a potential future. In the books He never refers himself as the Padishah - he is just the Emperor. The title Padishah refers to House Corrine.
@@kenricbourne9417 no, Paul never becomes the kwisatz haderach, neither in the books nor in any movie.
@@woodwyrm He was the KH, except in the manner that he was never controlled by the BG. He abandoned the Golden Path to break free of the predetermined Destiny at the end of Messiah hence him giving up that mantle when he was blinded by the stone burner and left to wander the desert. Giving up the role does not mean he wasn’t the KH. His son ultimately fulfilled that role later.
While I understand that Frank was likely trying to show the dangers of power, aka the saying about it you quote, I think its important to note that neither Paul nor Leto II - who are the literal plot devices to show this - never actually become corrupted by their power. Leto II becomes a tyrant, yes, but only because he knows its Humanities only chance to escape the cycle and survive. So in actuality, he is a hero, but no one can see it. Unlike his father, Leto II accepted the Golden Path as his fate and took it. Whereas Paul perhaps felt trapped by his fate and certainly proved unwilling to go the whole way. Leaving it to his son to take up the rest.
Jamis: "I want to beat on this woman"
Stilgar: "you may not beat on a woman"
Jamis: "well ill beat on her kid then"
Challenging a woman would be ok with Fremen, their women are fighters. He couldn't challenge Sayyadina (Bene Gesserit sister or priestess in Fremen culture) because they are too valuable.
@@aumelb oh gee whiz why does that all sound so familiar? 😉
He tried to beat on Jessica thinking because she was some sort of princess therefore she couldn't fight but she could lol
Also, he fought Paul only because he can't stand the idea of some outsider, let alone a foreign nobility at that, joining the Fremen and knowing where their sietches are located.
The fun part is Jessica would have casually merc'd his ass in seconds without even batting an eye.
@@seandlax9 oh hell yea she would've
That look on Jamis face after the first exchange, “maaaaybe I fucked up”
The good ole "well fuck me and my life" face
Stilgar was trying to warn him he didn’t want this smoke.
It was perfectly done, very strong performance by the actor in this fight.
The ole Eff around and find out.
Props to the actor, he made the character way more interesting than I imagined in the books. Great voice too!
Rare to see such memorable performance in so little screen time. This scene and character will always stay with me.
the same man went on to be willy wonka 😭
@@quasogod We're talking about Babs Olusanmokun, not Timothe.
"Do you yield?" That was Fuking powerful 💥
Agreed. I feel intimidated by how he says it.
Okay now i know what he said. Thought it was like ho yo yae or something 🤣. Thanks
It was also Paul not knowing Fremen custom. If he asked 'do you yield' during a fight to the death it would be an insult. But if Paul had killed and the custom was to ask the opponent if they yield, that to me would be worse.
There is a very subtle thing this movie does that I’ll try to explain. In the movie you see Paul living his future visions you actually see Jamis as his friend promising to teach him the ways of the desert. After this in the books Paul sheds water for the dead (cries) saying he was a friend of Jamis. I thought it was a really nice nuance, because for the book it gives a different context to why he is that upset about killing someone who would have killed him without a second thought and for the movie he isn’t playing with him, he doesn’t want to kill someone he has seen will become his friend.
So why didn't they bother to put that in the movie?
EXACTLY! this movie portrayed that beautifully well from understanding the same message! This movie represented EVERYTHING well and BEYOND gloriously as well. LOVE this film so much for it! Phenomenal film from beginning to end! MASTERPIECE of a film and one of the greatest movies of the 21th century!
@@elliottdiaz1687 But they did?
Considering what I've learned about desert people messing with the mothers of chosen ones, they are lucky he didn't flip and only reluctantly killed Jamis instead of every single one of them. And not just the Fremen. But the woFremen, and the childFremen too.
Being on desert planets doesn’t seem to help the Chosen Ones either. Too much sand. It’s coarse, and rough, and it gets everywhere…
This comment deserves all the likes.
@@SanguineDarkfire And this one.
@Miro Reverby Well, it's not a story the Bene Gesserit would tell you
Just wait until they give Paul a seat in the Fremen council but don't grant him the title of Naib.
One thing I noticed comparing the two dramatizations from the book is that Lynch's Arrakis is a dangerous, desolate and scary place you do best to avoid. Villeneuve's Arrakis is portrayed more as beautiful, almost magical but treacherous. I like both really, but appreciate Villeneuve's take on it as it shows how Arrakis is a unique part of the universe that a person might well come to love and respect as the Fremen do.
to me they strike two different dualities, villenueve’s is showing the more “cinematic” version of the world, and doesnt get gritty whilst lynches gets real gritty into the scifi, like the navigator guild
That final move, "Kwisatz Haderach, rise!" and that score, it all honestly feels like a declaration of war. Paul's jihad began in this moment.
1:02 this might sound cliche but I think this is when Paul realises he cannot avoid his destiny anymore and has to kill Jamis. Its like a point of no return now. You can tell by the way he changes the hold on the knife. When he was telling him to yield he really just trying to avoid what he already knew was true
EXACTLY! It's not "cliche" at all what you said, It's extremely valid take and makes sense. Paul needed to do what he HAD to do. This movie is phenomenal for doing so from beginning to end, MASTERPIECE of a movie!
that's why after the fight he accepts it and doesn't try to leave anymore
his way goes into the desert, the one laid bare to him
@@lp.shakur exactly as well!
@@Gadget-Walkmen also nice little detail, exactly at this scene you can hear reverend mother say "kwisatz haderach rise" wich basically means chosen one rise 🙂
@@lp.shakur love that sinister voice that was used as Paul makes the choice to kill Jamis, Paul KNEW at that moment he had to move forward no matter what as he could not go back on anything. No matter how hard it hurt and he didn’t want it to happen.
Cut out my favorite part. Paul grabs his hand as "the boy" and Jamis both die on the sand.
Any fight I've ever seen, the eventual winner remains calm as the eventual loser loses all composure.
Both Paul Atreides & Death were fighting this man, & his emotional outbursts reflected it.
Precisely, he knows what's coming, what simply *must* come, goading Paul to follow through. If Paul will not, Jamis will use Paul's refusal to do so against him if he can...
If you learn any art of fighting, you'll be taught to keep a clear head, study your opponent and launch only for the best strike, otherwise you let your rage overcome your senses, leaving you striking blindly.
@@tomarnold7284 Wow, cool story. You are completely missing the point.
@Miro Reverby not only missing the point but quoting something entirely departed from the context of the scene.
the woman's voice singing when Paul stabs is fucking powerful... that's one of the most cutting sounds I've ever heard
I've been searching for this comment. It sounded amazing
That look on Jamis’ face at 0:15
It’s like he just realized he grossly underestimated this boy, but it’s too late to stop so he just goes all out.
Yet Stilgar warned him not to because after he saw what the "weirding woman" was capable of he must've realized that she would've taught Paul to do the same, lol.
Based on this, Paul Vs Feyd is going to be epic!
Damnit !
This looked like shit. Just a sloppy knife fight in 'anywhere Arizona.'
Mad Max Fury Road had a much more alien, but real look to its environment. Maybe it wasn't it wasn't in the budget.
You're damn right it will be good
Facts. That’s gonna be an epic fight. Especially since by then Paul’s gonna have trained with the Fremen as well, and we don’t know who’s going to play Feyd. It’s gonna be lit.
it depends on how they portray the fight, they missed out on a lot of detail in this fight between Paul and Jamis, between Feyd and Paul there is much more going on to try and capture
Paul did pretty good considering that hair obscuring his vision
He doesn’t need eyes to see
Gurney wouldn’t be proud, he used the tip instead of the edge of the blade.
"Killing with the tip lacks artistry, but don't let that stay your hand when the opportunity presents itself".
@@ricardocastillo5485 Paul seemed to take more after Duncan for fighting tips than Gurney. Maybe it was conscious out of a desire to honor his memory.
@@ricardocastillo5485 Beat me to it.
@@ricardocastillo5485 oh yes
@@VideoMask93 another reason why we should bring back duncan idaho in EVERY books
The actor playing Jamis is very good, lot's of acting with just the face. After that first exchange, his face very clearly communicates his thoughts, namely "Ok...I really thought you'd be dead by now...let me try this again..."
The more I watch this scene, the more I realise that Jamis yelling at him at the end is basically him saying "just do it already, just end thist"
After Paul is easily able to get multiple killing blows, Jamis' eyes widen so much in realization of how good Paul actually is.
One of the best scenes. When I heard the whisper “Kwisatz Haderach.” Then that soft escalating rattling voice “climb up. Rise.”
God Villanueve is brilliant
When you take a life, you take your own
I mean it really has to be torturous to psych yourself up and prepare for death, hoping that it comes too fast to worry, only to be repeatedly be spared at the killing stroke. I don't care how strong you think you are, I don't think anyone could handle that stress for long.
That's exactly why waterboarding is so devastating
Forgetting for just one second that Paul's "Fatal strike" upon Jamis was downright cruel (Getting stabbed in the Vena Cava is utterly vicious - AND horrifically painful!) it's also slow - Most fatal knife wounds kill in about 3 to 5 seconds - that particular strike..? takes anywhere from 10 to 30, and that is a VERY long time to die, via bleeding out!
Gurney and Duncan may have shown Paul how to fight, but his mother Jessica..? taught him how to ~REALLY~ make it hurt! (Clearly her Harkonnen blood was showing in her tutelage of her son!) It's a NOT So minor miracle Jamis didn't scream in utter agony. (or rather, gasp or gag in pain - getting stabbed there..? you simply can't; All your breath is just gone! you just..? gasp, if that.)
Watching Paul's inner conflict over the whole thing..? was just icing on the cake of a GLORIOUSLY filmed scene!
It also shows that the fight choreographer knew his business.
It's really a crap shoot though. He may bleed out for a long time but the loss of blood pressure means he will probably be asleep for it.
@@jtcrook32 True, VERY true! But then again, if getting just punched in the kidneys (or the liver - another 100% kill-shot Paul had but didn't take!) hurts like Hell, (and it does! A middle weight can drop a heavy weight if either of those are hit) getting stabbed there..? is pure pain.
I'd say Jamis was lucky Paul didn't get REALLY nasty and twist the blade.
She has HARKONNEN BLOOD??
@@Kallixede Spoiler Warning -
Jessica is the daughter of The Baron. (she's also the daughter Gaius Helen Mohaim. Which certainly explains why The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother was so harsh w/her.)
@@Sidragrosm Damn. That's what I get for not following the spoiler warning
Paul saw the visions of Jamis teaching him the ways of the desert. He already considered him a friend and didn’t want to kill him. He also saw himself killed by Jamis’ knife trick and he wanted to avoid that too. It wasn’t until he “beat” him the second time he realized there was no way to convince Jamis, whatever chance at the future where Jamis was his friend had passed, It was kill or be killed. That’s really tragic, knowing you could have saved a life and had a great friendship but losing it before it even began because you didn’t take an opportunity to make that future or see the way to make it reality
In death Jamis taught Paul one final lesson on the ways of the desert.
And later "Usal gives moisture to the dead!"
My favorite performance in the movie is from Babs. He brought a real gravitas to this character.
Although there were many complaints that Denis ended the film shortly after this scene, it was the most appropriate place to bring part one to a halt.
I wished they would have filmed both parts simultaneously like Peter Jackson did 2o years earlier with the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
But we will have to wait 2 years for our sequel.
Denis ended the film PERFECTLY for part 1 as it was fantastic final for the film entirely. Any of those "complaints" are nonsensical as the movie had a "part 1" in the start of the film so they should have known the movie would have to stop at one point without telling the complete story in one film which this movie FANTASTICALLY did.
1:19
That was a slick maneuver Jamis tried.
Putting his hands behind his back to hide which hand the knife would be in when he went in for the attack.
Too bad it didn't work.
Because Chani told Paul that Jamis can switch hands
@@toomanyblocks8448 not in the film....only in the book
@@toomanyblocks8448 but always lunges with his left
@@Assassino275 Damn.
Good eye.
that kind of trick has a flow: you open your guard while you´re hiding your hands. I dont recomend it
in the books, Paul is given Jamis' water after killing him because they "lose moisture to the air while fighting" -- because they strip to loincloths for the fight. why would you damage something so essential to life in the desert with a knife? both theatrical films have them fight in suits. I can't recall how it's handled in the SciFi miniseries adaptation.
Yr right, damaging suit is harming the tribe as any water lost that way is gone.. they stripped to loincloths in sci-fi series, Alec Newman and pal 😉
After watching Dune pt 2 this scene goes even harder.
I liked the fight scene in the 1984 movie. But this... the sheer dominance of Pauls vastly superior fighting style, the atmospheric lack of music, the whole plotpoint of Jamis showing him the way of the desert by being killed, and how this perfectly ties into the main theme of Pauls Visions, the amazing visuals, and the bone-chilling music at the end... This movie is a straight up masterpiece and I cannot wait for Part 2.
Jamis truly did teach Paul the way of the desert. Kill or be killed.
This. ^ Paul having visions of Jamis being a teacher to him were an interesting twist. In the books, when they take Jamis’s water and present it to Paul, he ends up hanging onto it his whole life. In fact, I think even thousands of years later, his son, Leto II, has the skin filled with Jamis’s water. It was THAT much of a lesson to Paul in the books.
Paul could have killed him from the first moment, when Jamis realizes this he is filled with rage, rage that increases as he realizes that Paul is not only a worthy opponent, but that he is superior to him.
“Where is the outworlder?” Jamis asked calmly.
Heh.
@@mcrfan343 Heheheh.
Duncan taught Paul well. Duncan Idaho was probably one of the few men that can fight and kill both Sardaukar and Fremen warrior alike.
Loved this movie. Denis V delivered a great film. I'm excited for Part Two.
I was a friend of Jamis.
Once, long ago, when I made my first comment on a Dune video clip. Jamis gave me 2 thumbs up... even though you are only suposed to be able to give 1.
Because as Jamis put it: "the vast expanse of these Tubes Of You, are rough lands. And sometimes you just need an extra helping hand."
To me the turning point in the fight is actually quite early - at 0:08
Jamis thought he could end things quickly with an aggressive opening attack that would overwhelm Paul.
But even after being stunned by the first blow, thrown while he wasn't looking, Paul quickly gathers himself and parries the attacks with relative ease - "that all you got, George?"
Jamis has to step back and reassess: "Damn. This kid is better than I expected."
He still doesn't believe it though and dives back again with an aggressive attack. As Paul holds him off longer and longer, Jamis' strikes get more desperate, trying to end things quickly until he is stunned to find Paul's hesitant blade at his throat.
Oh man, I hope the success of this movie and part 2 leads to an adaptation of the whole saga!
I like how Paul "kills" him atleast five times in like ten seconds around 0:41 shit was awesome
Love the touch of Jamis changing hands with the knife. In the book there's a moment where Paul remembers Gurney teaching him to watch the blade rather than the wielding hand, as it can be held in either.
If Jamis didn't switch his knife to the other hand at 0:27 he could have killed Paul easily by just thrusting forward. Paul basically lunged at Jamis' knife in his right hand there but Jamis decided to switch hands for no apparent reason...
@@ghoisc paul knew he was gonna switch hands, which is why he lunged forward
1:19 Small book detail:
Just before the fight, Chani warns Paul about a "Knife-shift" move Jamis might use. Even though that dialogue is cut from the movie, Jamis still tries it, and Paul is ready for it, killing him.
that look Jamis gives Paul… I underestimated you… I didnt realize you were trained in this way… are you better than me, you humble bastard??
I really hope they start off the second movie with Paul weeping over Jamis' body. "Giving water to the dead" is such an important point to the Fremen, which earns their respect for him.
I like that Paul comes off so strong in this film and how it's basically all done by showcasing his mental strength. All this is done dispite Him not being physically intimidating. After this scene I looked at Paul like a completely different person
You can see the pain on Jamis’ face at 0:54 after Jessica says “paul has never killed a man” realizing he never stood a chance and its making paul drag out his death longer than it should, its mental torture really,
I love this little moment at 0:14. Jamis face is no longer confident, hes shocked. He expected to have killed this kid in the first exchange, instead he realizes Paul is a formidable fighter, what he doesnt quite know yet is just how good he is. But now, hes exercising caution, taking a moment to study him, whereas before, he would face and look away from him because he thought he was no threat.
Aaaaand that’s why you never underestimate your opponent
“Kwitzatch Haderach, climb up, rise”.
What I love about this fight in particular is that the other fights featuring trained, skilled & experienced fighters have music playing in the background.
In contrast, the lack of soundtrack here emphasizes Paul’s lack of experience. Since the story is from his perspective the fight is grounds reality for both him & the audience viewing it.
There is no glory behind the fight, it is an inexperienced boy fighting for him and his mom’s survival.
The whole movie hyped us up for the final 10 minutes and what we got was a fight that lacked fanfare to remind us about the brutality of the desert, of the Dune.
That this will be how the next story begins.
Paul isn’t inexperienced here, he’s highly trained and a lethal fighter. Stilgar immediately after the fight tells Paul that when you try to challenge me for leader, you won’t play with me like you did Jamis.
I enjoyed the subtle hints of the meaning of this fight through Pauls Visions of Jamis.
"Come with me, I will teach you the way of the desert" and so on.
It sets the expactation in the viewer that Jamis will become some sort of friendly mentor figure for Paul...
And oh boy he sure does...
Anyone think about the connection between how Paul fights and his grandfather's career as a bullfighter? makes a feint and then goes for the kill in Jamis' back. The movie make so many references to the bullfighter and Paul literally carries that on through his fight with Jamis.
I also noticed that on first viewing...And then i read that part in script its metioned that Paul fights Jamis as matador would bull.
I love the expression of Jamis when Paul tells him to yield. The embarrassment is a fate worse than death and that makes him so angry. Amazing climax to an amazing film!
Love how Jamis intentionally falls on his side to leave the wound face-up, minimizing the amount of blood that spilled onto the ground so his tribe could reclaim the water. Amazing subtle detail!
This is like a Choose Your Own Adventure books but in a movie form for the main character. Kinda cool. We don't know what the future really holds. We just get glimpses of possible futures.
we spent 3 hours so that we could care about every single stroke of this fight. the fact that we cared so much about the result, is the genius of how villeneuve puts a movie together.
A masterpiece adaptation. With all the crap Hollywood giving is lately this is a great ray of hope. Can’t wait for the next two parts
"I was a friend of Jamis."
Loved this movie
Loved the sets
Loved it all
Jamis’s death is quintessentially tragic because Paul saw Jamis as a friend in his visions, and looked to Jamis’s spirit for guidance, even after Jamis’s death. Paul felt love for Jamis, in the Greek sense of philia, and he literally shed tears over Jamis’s death, something which impressed the Fremen, but which also marked a turning point in Paul’s life. The Paul who wouldn’t hurt a fly had to die in order for him to become a warrior, a Feydakin. He had to throw his unwillingness to take human life aside in order to become the Kwisatz-Haderach. Paul had to die for Muad’Dib to be born. And this foreshadows the death of Paul by drinking the water of life to awaken his latent powers as the Lisan al Gaib, the Mahdi.
This victory made him Muaad'dib, but this made him a Freman:
"I was a friend of Jamis,” Paul whispered. He felt tears burning his eyes, forced more volume into his voice. “Jamis taught me... that... when you kill... you pay for it. I wish I'd known Jamis better.”
The Fremen, in absolute awe: "He gives water to the dead"
"I was a friend of Jamis. Jamis taught me... that... when you kill... you pay for it."
This is one of the best choreographed knife fights I've ever seen in a movie. Is it real-world realistic? Who cares.
check out the hunted benicio del toro and tommy lee jones
One of the absolute best things about the Dune adaptation was that they actually take armour into account and it actually exists rather than just being part of a cosmetic like in so many movies. You notice when the Duncan, the Atreides and Saudakar are fighting getting through the shields isn't enough because they're all covered in full body armour, they're literally all making thrusts and more commonly drawcuts to exposed or weak points in the armour such as the neck, armpits, side of the groin, back of the knees etc. Even the suits they're wearing outside offer a lot of resistance from cutting but thrusts will go through.
It is by no means realistic. Both had openings that they ignored and both are visibly no attacking most volubility points in the body. It does look good cinematically which is what the goal was.
You should watch the hunted.
@@rattlejaw9976 That knife fight is up there. I went to the Tracker School of Tom Brown Jr., the guy that that movie is about.
This fight is the crossing of the Rubicon for Paul.
Nice reference
Jessica, Chani and the Fremen don't know it yet but putting Paul Atreides in a situation where he has to make his first kill, the 1st step in going from Paul Atreides to the Kwisatz Haderach, will be the most dangerous thing they could have done. This is where he begins committing to his dark purpose and designs for the known universe.
0:36 idk why but his sudden scream is hilarious to me