I’m so glad that Chris Chibnal decided to destroy Galifray off screen, right after we finished an almost 10 year long arc of bringing it back, instead of actually using it for new and interesting stories set on a world that hasn’t been explored in recent years. Very good. Big brain writer
Yeah. It was inspired wasn't it? 🙄 What a gift to the audience after 10 years of emotional investment in this planet. But I'm not really over Hell Bent either.
the way new who structured the reveal of Gallifrey was genius. It started with Eccleston being tearful and internalizing his anger and sadness whenever he thinks of Gallifrey, then Tennant speaking of how magnificent and awe-ful Gallifrey was. He reveals in his last days that Gallifrey became corrupt and tyrannical in the last days of the war. Then Matt Smith came. Matt Smith's was particularly interesting because he never truly brought up what Gallifrey was like, just how much he missed it. Hurt was the side of the Doctor that caused new who's sorrow and pain at the thought of Gallifrey. Finally, Capaldi. Capaldi got us the most information of the Time Lords in new who. Rather than a literal doctor, the man is treated as a war hero and a legend, status that he earned rightfully for his species.
New Who disrespect the fans by not explaining the structure of society on Gallifey. If you have a race of humanoid aliens who change gender during regeneration then how do they reproduce?
@@freezingclockhands The Trill a humanoid race in Star Trek they reproduce like humans and the children are shown the symbiont a worm like creature bred in the pools of trill being taken out of one host body and being placed in another host body. That way the children understands why they might have two dad's or two mum's. How do the children of Gallifey understand when there mum regenerates into a man? Or there dad regenerates into a woman. We know the Doctor had parents he mentions his father in the 1996 TV movie. But which father?
@@freezingclockhands and nothing has been explained on the Time Lord's along with the population of Gallifey. We see children but how are they created and born? The Doctor says he was a womb birth and in canon "looms" are used for birthing Gallifeyans. It's implied Time Lord's and Lady's reproduce with humans rather with there own race which is why they look human and why they can become fully human using the chameleon arch. Which tells you scientifically the chameleon arch contains the Doctor's human/Gallifeyan DNA. We know from the Meta Crisis Doctor DNA from both races are compatible. Same goes with River Song. Also from the x-rays of the seventh Doctor and the 3D x-ray of the Ninth Doctor they both have human skeletons. The Eighth Doctor had human eyes so he/she is part human. Makes sense for Time Lord's and Lady's to reproduce with humans especially human women because they cannot regenerate. Unless Time Lady's drink exlir to stop regeneration during pregnancy but that's never been seen in Doctor Who. The Gallifeyans must reproduce somehow and a explanation would be nice.
@@adamcampbell5977 they use all the budget on shooting around the world instead of hiring competent writers now that chibnall has been throwing the old ones out
My comment was "You will be sent to the Earth in the 20th Century, and will now be in colour..." and "C'mon Doctor, you either see the Earth in colour or travel in time and space in black and white... your choice"
The piece of music that plays at the start, during the Tenth Doctor’s amazing monologue and that chilling montage - called This Is Gallifrey, Our Childhood, Our Home - is so beautiful! It brings a tear to my eye even to this day. Murray Gold was one of the best things this show had the honour to experience.
And then Akinola doesn't honour any of the pre-established themes. Imagine how much more impacting it would've been to hear it when we saw Gallifrey again
I agree, I really want a whole tv show purely about Gallifrey and how the Time Lords came to be so powerful, I wanna see the wars they fought, the early days of Rassilon and Omega and their research into time travel
Ian Warner Yes there were Time Lord children! 2nd Doctor talked about his family, the 3rd Doctor talked about being a little boy when he visited a hermit that lived near him. Romana talked about being a Time Tot. Forget the 90s nonsense that tried to re-write established continuity.
It's really sad how in the third doctor William Hartnell only appeard on a tv screen because he was too ill to move around or do pretty much anything he really loved being the doctor and apparently was really upset about leaving aswell
It's funny, he was so against taking the role at first, but fell in love with it instantly, and was so against leaving until it became absolutely impossible to keep going.
I hope David brings them back. Imagine the Doctor finds some survivors of the master's destruction. When the Doctor asks how they survived, they simply say. "We survived the wrath of a madman before."
Kaagh178 yeah but at the time he had just been told that Gallifrey had nearly wiped out all life on Earth for the sake of covering up a matrix break in
There's a difference between thinking your planet is run by assholes that the universe is better off without, and wanting to see every man woman and child of your species burned alive. Imagine an American who used to bad-mouth the White House's policies, talking about America after a nuclear apocalypse... that he caused.
Plus not to mention like what thats 5 regenerations im pretty sure for him that was maybe around 1000 maybe even more years... he had a lot of time to develop character changes and feelings i couldnt imagine no matter how much i hated it what it would be like to know i could just never return home if i wanted id feel so home sick and he even with all time and space at his disposal cant go home
He's too old! He's too fat! He's too thin! He's too young! Sounds like the second Doctor is talking about the 12th, 6th, 10th, and 11th Doctors if you ignore the pictures.
"This is Gallifrey" by Murray Gold is one of the most incredible, tasteful pieces of music in Doctor Who. I love how it begins with such elegance and majesty but then it swells to the point of being quite aggressive and almost evil sounding, just like the Time Lords themselves. You can even slightly hear the Daleks' theme incorporated towards the end, signifying their downfall.
Until this day, I'm still not sure why he chose Maxil's face. I wonder if Time Lords have some limited databank of custom changes or if he took that face as a useful disguise for future use or if that face meant something more to him (that would've been a great topic for a third Colin Baker season perhaps), but the choice for the Doctor always seemed to be more emotional than logical, as if the subconscious had more influence over the conscious (maybe the Doctor respects its personas). But it's not the first time a doppelganger has appeared, and even Romana chose her "second" appearance on-screen based on princess Astra.
Remember when The Sound of Drums premiered and we were all like “Finally they showed us Gallifrey they way it was always meant to look”. Now it looks super basic compared to the advanced and way more elaborate cgi models we’ve gotten in later series.
24:30 Flat out best Time Lord confrontation ever. No flashy effects just a brilliant (and fully qualified) legal and moral argument against their excesses.
@@llewtree3013 And he did it without some discount John Williams blasting our ear drums with choral noise every 5 seconds. I mean Jesus imagine this scene scored by that clown!
Ian Warner yeah I don’t think it needs it, this scene isn’t a climax of the story , rather a rising moment and the meat of the episode, the scores need to be used correctly otherwise they loose their power
It's quite dark showing him writhing in pain and screaming before just fading to black. The children had a long wait before Pertwee arrived so they were just left with that image. Also interesting, like Romana trying on new bodies without fully regenerating, that the Doctor was offered the choice of new faces which implies a degree of control rather than the random trauma that the Doctor seems to go through.
@@andykey78 I've always believed that on less traumatic regeneration or self triggered ones time lords have more control, but for traumatic ones it's just random. which is why the doctor tends to have less control as he tends to have traumatic regeneration besides one or two
Patrick Troughton was such a brilliant Doctor. An actor well ahead of his time, his whit and humour even being shadowed by David Tennant and Matt Smith. Imagine the scenes of his doctor with today's cinematography technology.
While I loved these particular Gallifrey scenes from Hell Bent, I can't help but wonder how much more awesome they would've been if Timothy Dalton had actually been available to reprise Rassilon.
@@godessesque Exactly. Headcanon is always fun. I had a lot of it when the Fugitive Doctor got revealed. It seems that other media is debunking my headcanon, but it was still fun to have this whole complicated theory on who she is and why it worked.
I like how they always treat 1 like he’s the wisest most mature, when in reality he’d be the least of any version because he’s the youngest version (subject to change pending Ruth’s placement)
But as well as being the youngest he is _the_ doctor, he's the one who all the others remember, he's what the doctor is in the most pure form... He is the doctors underlying personality no matter who he is, there's only one part of him in him that had never been anyone but him and that's the first doctor...
Nic H Bear in mine, Time Lords are meant to upload their former memories into the Gallifreiyan Matrix after each regeneration. However, after the Fall of Gallifrey The Doctor was unable to do so, meaning his mental state is surely all kinds of fucked after so many hundreds of years without a reset.
1:50 So glad the episodes that first introduced Gallifrey (though not named til "The Time Warrior" during the Pertwee years) and the Time Lords exist for us to watch and enjoy. Would've sucked if these were still among the missing episodes too.
In the section on Hell Bent, after the soldier walks over towards the Doctor and drops the gun, the music is called "The Doctor's Theme" but it's whistled, or at least resembles whistling. I think that it's a direct reference to one of the old Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Westerns (A Fistful of Dollars maybe?) where whistling happened after a major event. At least that's my hypothesis and I'm sticking to it. :)
@@jayanderson9375 The interesting this that I've (finally!) started to notice is that throughout the new Who series, there are these little references to various other genres and, in some case, actual films, that zip by you if you only watch the episode once. Years ago, I started watching episodes of whatever (genre) series I was watching first for the story, then I'd go back and start watching the episode to pay attention to what was going on in the background, and now I'm watching a third time to pay attention to the music etc. I've also gotten into *how* a film is made as well and started marveling and the incredible creativity of all the people that make up a TV series or a film. Wish I was that creative!
It's a theme that starts in the 12th doctor's later run where Murray Gold references his themes for past Doctors such as I am the Doctor in Twice upon a time, musically reinforcing that all of these people are the same character.
Chibnall killed a 50+ yrs iconic TV franchise with fickle political Leftist 'woke' crud. he confirms the new adage 'get woke and go broke'...people want fun entertainment, not preachy politics crammed down the audiences throat. I morn for The Doctor and his adventures, Gallifrey is NO MORE..
3:24 I'd really like to see that re-edited with photos of some of his future selves. Matt Smith: "Oh he's too young" Peter Capaldi: "Oh he's too old" Colin Baker: "He's too fat" David "Failyard" Tennant: "He's too thin" Jodie Whittaker: "Oh that won't do at all"
I don't know about the last one. If I could change my appearance I'd want to regenerate into an attractive blonde - so it's either Jodie Whittaker or Peter Davison for me ;)
Doctor: We're saving Gallifrey cos I don't want to see it destroyed ever again Chibnall: Imma destroy this whole (wo)man's career Edit: I'm not saying that it "ruined" Doctor Who or anything. I'm just making a joke that Gallifrey keeps going back and forth between being alive or dead.
sluice as much as the new composer should be allowed freely to create new music there should always be either hints of the old or inclusions of the old music. Star Wars was able to to do the same and so should doctor who. Even if Star Wars kept their original composer.
@@1978rharris also, on the topic of regenerations, I want to see the Doctor get locked out of the Tardis in a future regeneration from it learning not to let the Doctor regenerate inside it after *EVERY* modern change.
'The War Games' Time Lords's remain their best portrayal in the shows history, since then they've been turned into useless bureaucrats which is why keeping them hidden and mysterious in the original show from season 1-6 was the best decision ever.
Honestly, they still feel powerful and mysterious in their appearances post-War Games (Terror of the Autons, Three Doctors, etc). It's only until The Deadly Assassin that they get ruined.
I wouldn't say deadly assassin ruined them. Simply we see the time lords from the doctors point of view in that story and to him that's exactly what they are, to anyone else they would seem powerful.
Unusually for these compilations, it actually covers the majority of stories. It's only missing _The Deadly Assassin_ (season 14, 1976), _The Five Doctors_ (20th Anniversary Special, 1983) and _The End of Time_ (Christmas/New Year Specials, 2009-10).
Good to see some of the classics. The scene with second doctor and the Time Lords is my first clear recollection of a scene from Doctor Who. I remember the second doctor, Jamie and Zoe. I hated the show before then because it scared me so much. But I remember that that scene. I started watching it from then on.
"Ten million years of absolute power. That's what it takes to be really corrupt." Oh doctor. Had you known better. They had been rotten from the start.
For all his faults Moffet did a great job with Day of the Dr and Twice upon a time, Day of the Dr had some great scene's and music when the Dr's emerge from that stasis picture walking in time with each other and the music still makes me smile. Twice upon a time was funny in places especially with the first Dr's none P.C comments, I also like to see Mark Gattis make appearances his acting as is his writing are always spot on. But for the life of me I just can't get into Chubby Chib's writing style I would even go as far as saying he is far better writing drama then scifi, I can't hellp wondering what Jodi would be like with RTD or Moffet writing her scripts.
I'm kind of compelled to agree. The drama in Doctor Who during his era has been pretty good, even the historical stuff has been on the money. But there's an element of Who that isn't quite clicking and after the Timeless Children, it's very apparent that he had a master plan behind Who from the get go. Jodie has been written VERY well in non canon things -- The Runaway VR game highlights her strengths as The Doctor beautifully. So it's definitely the writing that puts a hamper on this Neo New Who.
@@TreyMcDonaldAnimator I think he went into the show thinking he could write SciFi in the same style as drama which does not work at all, it's a shame really because Jodi has done her best with what's written. I would like to see Mark Gattiss as head writer, his experience of writing for the show has been proven and where Chibnall is in your face with his political messages I think Gattiss would be more subtle and still get the message across. I liked RTD as head writer he wrote for adults and children.
@@albaproductions9602 he would be good, Nicolas Briggs would be good, I heard he has written a few. Just someone who can present a bold but faithful continuation of Who. Chibnall, despite some pretty winning episodes like Fugitive of the Judoon and Ascension of the Cyberman (I'd even give this finale a bit of a nod for wrapping up loose holes) it doesn't carry the same kind of magic as Moffat and RTD.
The most powerful and scary the time lords have ever been and because of nuwho they now appear just to mess with the doctor by dressing as schoolchildren.
Zach Laurano an internet critic harsh on new who said that the time lords went back to the high collars once the drugs wore off and too the 2nd doctor it was like one of the members of AC/DC who wore a school uniform or was it Aerosmith?
@@mpg272727 That would make a paradox bc The time lords is older than the human species. They cant be decedants of humans if they were already a species before humans evolved on Earth. Unless the humans created a alternate timeline once they went through the portal and became the Timelords of that alternate universe and not the normal universe.
So the highly advanced technology of The Time Lords involved pencil sketches by their court room artist. The 2nd Doctor's regeneration choices appear to be people from a dodgy look-a-like agency : Brian Blessed, Fats Domino, David Tennant or Adolf Hitler? He must have had second thoughts later about the third option.
I think there's a meme of young Lisa and Bart Simpson where Lisa finishes a Lego masterpiece and looks all proud, then Bart runs over and smashes it and she cries. That's the 13th Doctor, Gallifrey and the Master. "I just finished fixing that, you son of a ...!"
@N30N 0M3N However much you tell me that you hate the BBC and Chibnall for what they're doing to Doctor Who, it's not going to change my opinion. If you want to complain, do it somewhere else. Don't waste my time.
@N30N 0M3N you are wasting my time by telling me how much you hate the show at the moment. Not everyone shares your opinion. Again, if you want to complain, don't waste your own time by talking to me. 🤷♂️
@N30N 0M3N What I'm trying to say is I don't want to know your opinion on the current state of doctor who. Sorry, I don't wish to continue this conversation.
My theory is that the Time Lords have human origin that founding fathers like Rassilon and Omega wanted to cover up to create a new, greater civilization. Whatever the Timeless Child or Children is enabled Rassilon to find the key to regeneration and "eternal life". Things that support the Time Lords having human origin: 1. Their appearance is extremely human-like, pretty much identical. 2. They speak English 3. Rassilon said in the End of Time that the Time Lords could either die or "return" to the waking world and complete the ultimate sanction. He could've said "go" but said "return", which implies that Earth has a place somewhere in their history. Maybe only the founding fathers and corrupt High Council only know their true origin. I have always thought the Time Lords and humanity are connected somehow. It explains why the Doctor is attracted to humans and visits Earth more than Gallifrey.
@@toukoenriaze9870 well if this theory is true it couldve taken the humans a million years to evolve into time lords and at that point they probably would've replaced english with other languages
Even if the time lords do originate from humanity, I don't think the humans they showed us in the last episode were from earth, I think that planet was more likely to be Mondas
Gallifrey Falls No Mo-... I mean... Gallifrey Falls Again! All jokes aside - Gallifrey is like the best planet, in my opinion. There's so much we still yet have to discover. And I'm sure it's about to be revealed in the finale.
22:28 Idea 1: When the Doctor said "Regeneration" my first thought was that somehow he was going to give Clara the power to regenerate just once. Because he was given more regenerations so maybe with help he can give her one. Idea 2: Back when he was tricked into healing the Daleks he could heal Clara by traveling back in time just after her death with some Time Lord technology and bring her back.
Tbh if the Timelords are connected to humans in this series finale whereas they are the decendants of the human species then gifting a human the ability to regenerate even just once may be possible?!?
I really, REALLY hope the Series 12 finale brings back Rassilon, after being exiled by the 12th Doctor I’d love to see the 13th Doctor and the Master face him Edit: never mind they didn’t
Woozle 03 Productions I see where you’re going with that, but no. The Doctor expended all of his regenerations in his first cycle, so Ruth can’t be a forgotten regeneration. Whatever the explanation is for everything, and for the Doctor in particular, it’s likely more complicated than that.
Doctor Who series 12 final episode 10 theory! Spoilers ahead!: The human refugees are the Gallifreyan ancestors. They travelled to Gallifrey to survive and down the line, evolved into what we know as Gallifreyans (two hearts, longer Lifespan, etc.) They found the timeless child and used her to gain the ability to Regenerate, leading to the first time lords. I think the Ruth doctor came before the first doctor. They forced the timeless child to regenerate into William Hartnell, gave him a new regeneration cycle and wiped his memory That’s why the Master was angry. Because he’s always hated humanity, and how he’s found out the time lords are basically evolved humans. You can clearly see the citadel of Gallifrey through the portal. As the old man said. It doesn’t normally look like that. The Master used the portal to travel back to reach the doc so he had some control over it I guess. That’s my theory
Wrong, the parameters of Regeneration are very well know, it was created, by Omega and Rassilon, a virus, made in a lab. The Timeless Child refers to her being timeless, as in existing at all times simultaneously, not anything about regeneration
@@KabirSinghz The rift in this context (latest episode), is a portal to before the Timelords were a thing. And Gallifrey itself is just a concept built by the surviving humans from the Cyber war. I'd take it one step further and say the idea of Gallifrey wss established by Ko Sharma, and that he led people through it. That they studied the rift once they arrived in their new home. Learnt from it and found away to access Time itself, so that they may give themselves the power of regeneration. Over time perfecting it. The Gallifrey of Old. Or not.
What the Time Lords did to the Master when he was a child was cruel and horrible. And also forcing the Doctor to regenerate was cruel of them as well. I hate to say this, but the Time Lords are worse than the Daleks.
Alun Jones they’re horrible, but they’re not worse than the Daleks. At least time lords have the capacity for good and kindness and love, Daleks are creatures of hate and death.
I think the Sixth Doctor described them perfectly:" The oldest civilization, decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core. Dalek, Soltarans, Cybermen, they are silliness from nursery compared to us. Ten millions years of absolute power, that's what it takes to be really corrupted.
‘A parallel pocket universe’... hmm... what if the Timeless Child came from that pocket universe Gallifrey was put into in the 50th anniversary special back into the shows’ regular universe but in the far past and its a paradox loop?
*Revived Era:* Destroys Gallifrey through the invention of a massive time war to propel the show into a brand new era and decade. Adds layers of depth to the lore and Doctor’s character. *50th Anniversary:* Save Gallifrey in such a way that involves all incarnations of the Doctor (up to Capaldi), does a great Job giving the Doctor more character development, and in no way trampled on the character depth we got from Gallifrey falling. Plus it was just as weighted (I mean we knew, but the Doctor(s) had NO idea that their new idea was in any way better. For all they knew they still could have destroyed Gallifrey or would otherwise never find it again. It was just a tiny bit more hopeful than 100% blowing it up). *The Time of the Doctor:* Established that Gallifrey is back (though lost) and allowed the Doctor more regenerations in the heart warming end to Matt Smith’s eleventh Doctor *Heaven Sent:* Completely established Gallifrey’s return and location. Allowing it’s usage in the show going forward. All in a great performance by Peter Capaldi and amazing episode (my personal favorite) that put the 12th through so much pain that it was beautiful to watch him overcome. Hell Bent left much to be desired with Gallifrey, but I was fine with that as long as it was back and we could see great future plots with it like in Classic Who. *Chibnall (Series 12):* And... its gone. Chibnall’s destroys Gallifrey again twice in series 12. The first time through the Master (makes no sense. He ran away from the time war. How did he achieve so easily what took the Daleks, a galaxy eater armageddon weapon with a conscience, and/or all 13 Doctor’s?) and then for bonus measures using a life annihilator the Cybermen just had for reasons (why didn’t they use that immediately again or have it in previous conflicts? Seems like an instant game winner). The first time being in an okay opener and the second time being in the worst series finale, I’ve seen in the show since the revived era. The entire act of which does LITERALLY NOTHING FOR THE CHARACTERS, LORE, OR SHOW IN GENERAL MOVING FORWARD.
I’m so glad that Chris Chibnal decided to destroy Galifray off screen, right after we finished an almost 10 year long arc of bringing it back, instead of actually using it for new and interesting stories set on a world that hasn’t been explored in recent years. Very good. Big brain writer
Yeah. It was inspired wasn't it? 🙄
What a gift to the audience after 10 years of emotional investment in this planet.
But I'm not really over Hell Bent either.
U have to admit, hell bent made the timeless children look like a parody
hell bent and heaven sent are better than the entirety of the new series’
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, merely converted
@@marcbensen8963 what does that add to this conversation?
the way new who structured the reveal of Gallifrey was genius. It started with Eccleston being tearful and internalizing his anger and sadness whenever he thinks of Gallifrey, then Tennant speaking of how magnificent and awe-ful Gallifrey was. He reveals in his last days that Gallifrey became corrupt and tyrannical in the last days of the war. Then Matt Smith came. Matt Smith's was particularly interesting because he never truly brought up what Gallifrey was like, just how much he missed it. Hurt was the side of the Doctor that caused new who's sorrow and pain at the thought of Gallifrey. Finally, Capaldi. Capaldi got us the most information of the Time Lords in new who. Rather than a literal doctor, the man is treated as a war hero and a legend, status that he earned rightfully for his species.
New Who disrespect the fans by not explaining the structure of society on Gallifey. If you have a race of humanoid aliens who change gender during regeneration then how do they reproduce?
@@leejohnstone894 maybe they don't reproduce physically. I mean they are humanoid but not human.
@@freezingclockhands The Trill a humanoid race in Star Trek they reproduce like humans and the children are shown the symbiont a worm like creature bred in the pools of trill being taken out of one host body and being placed in another host body. That way the children understands why they might have two dad's or two mum's. How do the children of Gallifey understand when there mum regenerates into a man? Or there dad regenerates into a woman. We know the Doctor had parents he mentions his father in the 1996 TV movie. But which father?
@@leejohnstone894 but this is Doctor who
@@freezingclockhands and nothing has been explained on the Time Lord's along with the population of Gallifey. We see children but how are they created and born? The Doctor says he was a womb birth and in canon "looms" are used for birthing Gallifeyans. It's implied Time Lord's and Lady's reproduce with humans rather with there own race which is why they look human and why they can become fully human using the chameleon arch. Which tells you scientifically the chameleon arch contains the Doctor's human/Gallifeyan DNA. We know from the Meta Crisis Doctor DNA from both races are compatible. Same goes with River Song. Also from the x-rays of the seventh Doctor and the 3D x-ray of the Ninth Doctor they both have human skeletons. The Eighth Doctor had human eyes so he/she is part human. Makes sense for Time Lord's and Lady's to reproduce with humans especially human women because they cannot regenerate. Unless Time Lady's drink exlir to stop regeneration during pregnancy but that's never been seen in Doctor Who. The Gallifeyans must reproduce somehow and a explanation would be nice.
"You will be sent to Earth in the 20th century, and will remain there as long as we need to save money on the budget."
;)
and in series 12?? lots of money but 8 out of 10 episodes set on earth!!
@@adamcampbell5977 they use all the budget on shooting around the world instead of hiring competent writers now that chibnall has been throwing the old ones out
My comment was "You will be sent to the Earth in the 20th Century, and will now be in colour..." and "C'mon Doctor, you either see the Earth in colour or travel in time and space in black and white... your choice"
Adam Campbellhe can just make ATM spray money
Ultimately, it was. Life sentence. He got “work release,” but wasn’t truly free to wander until that Doctor was dead.
The piece of music that plays at the start, during the Tenth Doctor’s amazing monologue and that chilling montage - called This Is Gallifrey, Our Childhood, Our Home - is so beautiful! It brings a tear to my eye even to this day. Murray Gold was one of the best things this show had the honour to experience.
It was overblown stupid and ripped up more established canon than Chibnall can even dream of.
And then Akinola doesn't honour any of the pre-established themes. Imagine how much more impacting it would've been to hear it when we saw Gallifrey again
I agree, I really want a whole tv show purely about Gallifrey and how the Time Lords came to be so powerful, I wanna see the wars they fought, the early days of Rassilon and Omega and their research into time travel
Ian Warner Yes there were Time Lord children! 2nd Doctor talked about his family, the 3rd Doctor talked about being a little boy when he visited a hermit that lived near him. Romana talked about being a Time Tot. Forget the 90s nonsense that tried to re-write established continuity.
@Erik The Existor Not talking about the music talking about the writing of that scene. The music was just too generic and annoying.
It's really sad how in the third doctor William Hartnell only appeard on a tv screen because he was too ill to move around or do pretty much anything he really loved being the doctor and apparently was really upset about leaving aswell
Kenneth Kennethson it is sad
It's funny, he was so against taking the role at first, but fell in love with it instantly, and was so against leaving until it became absolutely impossible to keep going.
I hope David brings them back. Imagine the Doctor finds some survivors of the master's destruction. When the Doctor asks how they survived, they simply say.
"We survived the wrath of a madman before."
Gallifrey doesn’t feel like Gallifrey anymore without the Murray Gold theme
We need Murray and Russel T Davies to come back and save us, bring back the golden era!
Sadly, They can't reuse it because of contractual terms with Gold.
Why? It felt like Gallifrey long before Murray gold ever appeared. His work is good, but it’s not solely exclusive.
@@tristansteinbomer3256 Russell T. Davies has returned.
@@backtothefutureman1 With this in mind, I wonder if Murray Gold would be interested in returning, or if he isn't interested.
”Stuck between a girl and a box; the story of your life, Doctor”
boom-tish moffatisms
Not applicable to the new season xD
If only that's our story.
It's a snogging box
What makes it worse is when you realize the Box IS a Girl.
6: gallifrey is the worst evil
11: I've always wanted to go back to Gallifrey
Mike Toth in fairness, Gallifrey hadn’t been destroyed in the sixth doctor’s lifetime so he didn’t miss it until it was gone
Kaagh178 yeah but at the time he had just been told that Gallifrey had nearly wiped out all life on Earth for the sake of covering up a matrix break in
Describes Mississippi perfectly.
There's a difference between thinking your planet is run by assholes that the universe is better off without, and wanting to see every man woman and child of your species burned alive. Imagine an American who used to bad-mouth the White House's policies, talking about America after a nuclear apocalypse... that he caused.
Plus not to mention like what thats 5 regenerations im pretty sure for him that was maybe around 1000 maybe even more years... he had a lot of time to develop character changes and feelings i couldnt imagine no matter how much i hated it what it would be like to know i could just never return home if i wanted id feel so home sick and he even with all time and space at his disposal cant go home
He's too old! He's too fat! He's too thin! He's too young! Sounds like the second Doctor is talking about the 12th, 6th, 10th, and 11th Doctors if you ignore the pictures.
12th: "I AM YOUNGER!"
Robert Green Yes you are 😁 😁 😁
6 wasn’t fat
@@malepatikalyankumar6392 xD
@@Jicholson Personally, I find Colin to be an elegant gentleman, but 2 would jokingly disagree with your statement xD
"This is Gallifrey" by Murray Gold is one of the most incredible, tasteful pieces of music in Doctor Who. I love how it begins with such elegance and majesty but then it swells to the point of being quite aggressive and almost evil sounding, just like the Time Lords themselves. You can even slightly hear the Daleks' theme incorporated towards the end, signifying their downfall.
20:36 More evidence to the "Doctor chooses his faces based on people he sees" theory. THE 6TH DOCTOR IS STANDING RIGHT THERE!!
Until this day, I'm still not sure why he chose Maxil's face. I wonder if Time Lords have some limited databank of custom changes or if he took that face as a useful disguise for future use or if that face meant something more to him (that would've been a great topic for a third Colin Baker season perhaps), but the choice for the Doctor always seemed to be more emotional than logical, as if the subconscious had more influence over the conscious (maybe the Doctor respects its personas). But it's not the first time a doppelganger has appeared, and even Romana chose her "second" appearance on-screen based on princess Astra.
@The Valeyard ...I mean like this: ua-cam.com/video/TmmgJ4RO_o8/v-deo.html ...
Well that face was really competent when capturing 5th, no messing around and precise
The Valeyard omg your right
Or they recycle actors
Remember when The Sound of Drums premiered and we were all like “Finally they showed us Gallifrey they way it was always meant to look”. Now it looks super basic compared to the advanced and way more elaborate cgi models we’ve gotten in later series.
Still think it holds up, makes it look almost aetherial
That Gallifrey falls no more time slice art 🖼
Honestly I prefer that Gallifrey to the current designs
It was just destroyed again so it's normal there is no life sign on series 12 Gallifrey
It looks amazing in the current series
Are you kidding me? I've just gone on a search for all the CGI clips of Gallifrey and just as I finish it, you upload this XD
It feels like the Sarah Jane vid, it's all about The Doctor rather than the actual topic xD
Anlagee!!
This video got put together sneakily by the BBC because it all relates to the revelations of the final episode of Series 12.
To quote the 1996 TV movie, "Timing malfunction!"
Funny because out of Eleven, Ten and the War Doctor out of all three; Eleven is the youngest actor out of the three but the oldest Doctor.
My theory is that he regenerated younger to avoid his warrior past in the time-war
He just needs to reach for Juggernog tonight.
Today is the oldest you've ever been, but the youngest you'll ever be again.
Think about that.
Pity we couldn't have seen more of the War Doctor. RIP John Hurt.
Literally EVERYBODY knows that
He said he doesn't deserve to be called the Doctor, but the War Doctor probably deserves it more than any of the others...
"You were more doctor than the rest of us. You were the doctor on the day it was impossible to get it right"
Dude this is getting intense as heck.
Yeah the hype train for Sundays finale 😲
at least I think they are wanting to show us that they won't destruct what has been already established
Wish this season was as good makes me a little sad to be honest
h e c c K
@@isiyami It has been great.
24:30 Flat out best Time Lord confrontation ever. No flashy effects just a brilliant (and fully qualified) legal and moral argument against their excesses.
Ian Warner agreed this is one of the best Colin Baker moments it’s just .. it carries so much weight it’s punchy and powerful
@@llewtree3013 And he did it without some discount John Williams blasting our ear drums with choral noise every 5 seconds. I mean Jesus imagine this scene scored by that clown!
Ian Warner yeah I don’t think it needs it, this scene isn’t a climax of the story , rather a rising moment and the meat of the episode, the scores need to be used correctly otherwise they loose their power
Unseemly outbursts!!!
Stefan I thought I was quite reasonable but Thankyou nonetheless doctor XD
Man I forgot how good 2s regeneration scene and build up was, just goes to show how fantastic Patrick troughton was.
It was the first regeneration scene I saw and I thought Patrick went out so funny!
It's quite dark showing him writhing in pain and screaming before just fading to black. The children had a long wait before Pertwee arrived so they were just left with that image. Also interesting, like Romana trying on new bodies without fully regenerating, that the Doctor was offered the choice of new faces which implies a degree of control rather than the random trauma that the Doctor seems to go through.
@@andykey78 I've always believed that on less traumatic regeneration or self triggered ones time lords have more control, but for traumatic ones it's just random. which is why the doctor tends to have less control as he tends to have traumatic regeneration besides one or two
Expect The Doctor didn't regenerate at the end of War Games, but instead went on to work for The CIA.
Mann, the scene 10 talking about Gallifrey in The Sound of Drums is one the scenes from Doctor Who that's always stuck with me. Beautiful...
18:10 First time I saw Capaldi I wasn't sure about him....ohh I was so wrong!! God I miss those eyebrows
Capaldi WAS The Doctor.
"With respect, get off this planet." that line delivery was amazing
_His_ planet. The General is refering to the Doctor, i.e. _The Doctor’s_ planet.
Patrick Troughton was such a brilliant Doctor. An actor well ahead of his time, his whit and humour even being shadowed by David Tennant and Matt Smith. Imagine the scenes of his doctor with today's cinematography technology.
While I loved these particular Gallifrey scenes from Hell Bent, I can't help but wonder how much more awesome they would've been if Timothy Dalton had actually been available to reprise Rassilon.
While I also wish we'd had more of Dalton's Rassilon, I much prefer the implication that the Master forced Dalton to regenerate in The End of Time
@@godessesque Anything could've happened, really. That's why I love this show.
@@timrob12 agreed! I just figured I'd share my personal headcanon because why not.
@@godessesque Exactly. Headcanon is always fun. I had a lot of it when the Fugitive Doctor got revealed. It seems that other media is debunking my headcanon, but it was still fun to have this whole complicated theory on who she is and why it worked.
"No sir, all Thirteen!"
I get goosebumps every time
But what about the other X doctors?
@@randomshit308 you mean the 336 other doctors ? They don't exist.
@@tomf3150 sadly they do
Heh heh 69th like here
@@tristansteinbomer3256 Nice!
3:27 Would be funny if the 2nd Doctor saw Matt Smith's face.
The funny thing is the third option somewhat resembled David Tennant...
3rd looked like young Capaldi fused with matt
I'm just grateful that we're all mature enough to not make jokes about if he'd seen Amy's crack!
My headcanon is than he Actually see Smith's face.
They're teasing us with scenes that are about to be retconned, destroyed and contradicted right
Retconned, contradicted and destroyed.
@@einezcrespo2107 contradicted, destroyed and retconned.
@@longnoseboi yes contradicted and destroyed
All of the above😞
Destroyed good and proper! There's no coming back from this
I like how they always treat 1 like he’s the wisest most mature, when in reality he’d be the least of any version because he’s the youngest version (subject to change pending Ruth’s placement)
But as well as being the youngest he is _the_ doctor, he's the one who all the others remember, he's what the doctor is in the most pure form... He is the doctors underlying personality no matter who he is, there's only one part of him in him that had never been anyone but him and that's the first doctor...
Nic H Bear in mine, Time Lords are meant to upload their former memories into the Gallifreiyan Matrix after each regeneration. However, after the Fall of Gallifrey The Doctor was unable to do so, meaning his mental state is surely all kinds of fucked after so many hundreds of years without a reset.
now he's about the 6800th doctor
Adam Campbell it’s a fucking tragedy what they have done to this show
@@endersquid1132 "...the original you might say", yep all this has got to be retconned
1:50 So glad the episodes that first introduced Gallifrey (though not named til "The Time Warrior" during the Pertwee years) and the Time Lords exist for us to watch and enjoy. Would've sucked if these were still among the missing episodes too.
In the section on Hell Bent, after the soldier walks over towards the Doctor and drops the gun, the music is called "The Doctor's Theme" but it's whistled, or at least resembles whistling. I think that it's a direct reference to one of the old Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Westerns (A Fistful of Dollars maybe?) where whistling happened after a major event. At least that's my hypothesis and I'm sticking to it. :)
Kalinysta Zvoruna I thought that as well
@@jayanderson9375 The interesting this that I've (finally!) started to notice is that throughout the new Who series, there are these little references to various other genres and, in some case, actual films, that zip by you if you only watch the episode once. Years ago, I started watching episodes of whatever (genre) series I was watching first for the story, then I'd go back and start watching the episode to pay attention to what was going on in the background, and now I'm watching a third time to pay attention to the music etc. I've also gotten into *how* a film is made as well and started marveling and the incredible creativity of all the people that make up a TV series or a film. Wish I was that creative!
It's a theme that starts in the 12th doctor's later run where Murray Gold references his themes for past Doctors such as I am the Doctor in Twice upon a time, musically reinforcing that all of these people are the same character.
It’s sad really, the actor who played the young version of The Master at 1:05 stopped acting after this scene and died in 2018. RIP
you failed to mention that it was SUICIDE like wow that's so sad
@@tevvytevvy2672 I didn’t even know it was suicide. That’s such a shame :(
15:43
The Doctor: The future of Galifrey is assured.
Sontaran's: You sure about that buddy?
Well, this comment is doing well thanks everyone!
Doctor (With D Mat gun) Yup (wipes them out like a boss)
Chibnall killed a 50+ yrs iconic TV franchise with fickle political Leftist 'woke' crud. he confirms the new adage 'get woke and go broke'...people want fun entertainment, not preachy politics crammed down the audiences throat. I morn for The Doctor and his adventures, Gallifrey is NO MORE..
Sontarans: “Stop the cap...”
3:24 I'd really like to see that re-edited with photos of some of his future selves.
Matt Smith: "Oh he's too young"
Peter Capaldi: "Oh he's too old"
Colin Baker: "He's too fat"
David "Failyard" Tennant: "He's too thin"
Jodie Whittaker: "Oh that won't do at all"
I don't know about the last one. If I could change my appearance I'd want to regenerate into an attractive blonde - so it's either Jodie Whittaker or Peter Davison for me ;)
@@ftumschk Sure but this is the Troughtan Doctor we're talking about. He wants to look scruffy and unassuming.
@@DarthAzabrush True enough. Once a cosmic hobo, always a cosmic hobo :)
You mean like this: ua-cam.com/video/uLhLmHVzNlA/v-deo.html
Isn't the war doctor older
Doctor: We're saving Gallifrey cos I don't want to see it destroyed ever again
Chibnall: Imma destroy this whole (wo)man's career
Edit: I'm not saying that it "ruined" Doctor Who or anything. I'm just making a joke that Gallifrey keeps going back and forth between being alive or dead.
damn i miss moffat
@@souffrey Amen
Good one clara
Sadly, The Legacy of the Doctor has been betrayed by those entrusted to preserve and enhance it.
Why is Chibnall still employed?
This shows dead as soon as it went political
That scene with david at the beginning always gets to me. I bloody love the nostalgia I get it from
The Galifrey theme made by Murray gold is beautiful it would be sad if it’s not in the finale
It won't be sadly, new composer this series.
sluice that’s why I commented
sluice as much as the new composer should be allowed freely to create new music there should always be either hints of the old or inclusions of the old music. Star Wars was able to to do the same and so should doctor who. Even if Star Wars kept their original composer.
@@coraldiamond1922 it would be amazing right enough. The music from Murray Gold was outstanding.
Dudley Simpson would be proud
Even though I dislike Hell Bent, I do enjoy the line. "We're on Gallifray, death is Time Lord for man flu."
Certainly didn’t seem like man-flu to the Fifth, Eighth andTenth. Saying that kind of takes away the impact of those regenerations.
@@1978rharris and same thing for 12 as he gets woken up prior in the modern who version of 5's regeneration.
@@1978rharris also, on the topic of regenerations, I want to see the Doctor get locked out of the Tardis in a future regeneration from it learning not to let the Doctor regenerate inside it after *EVERY* modern change.
@@1978rharris Agreed.
But do remember that that's the Doctor downplaying the General's death for Clara.
"the interface is hot" "well I do my best"
Didnt realise what she meant
"the valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation" ooooooooooooh
You can tell the Doctor hasn't forgotten Rassilon's plan for the Ultimate Sanction, nor has he forgiven him.
To be fair, rassilon did try to kill 1,2,3,5,8,war,10 and 12
'The War Games' Time Lords's remain their best portrayal in the shows history, since then they've been turned into useless bureaucrats which is why keeping them hidden and mysterious in the original show from season 1-6 was the best decision ever.
Honestly, they still feel powerful and mysterious in their appearances post-War Games (Terror of the Autons, Three Doctors, etc). It's only until The Deadly Assassin that they get ruined.
Spectrum Storms I completely agree. Deadly assassin ruined them.
They were made pointless bureaucrats to prove a point. The Time Lords are controlling sociopaths.
Looks like that’s what chibnall tried to accomplish and is doing pretty well surprisingly with
I wouldn't say deadly assassin ruined them. Simply we see the time lords from the doctors point of view in that story and to him that's exactly what they are, to anyone else they would seem powerful.
"We're on Gallifrey, 'dead' is Time Lord for 'Man flu". lmao
I really enjoy when the Time Lords and Gallifrey are involved in an episode.
Thanks to the guys who compiled this!
For all its faults, Hell Bent's Rassalon scenes are pretty great.
The piece of music for tenths back flash is named “This is gallifrey”. This is the first time we ever see a visual context of his home
Apart from in literally every single Gallifrey story during the classic series.
RIP The kid who played the young master.
Unusually for these compilations, it actually covers the majority of stories. It's only missing _The Deadly Assassin_ (season 14, 1976), _The Five Doctors_ (20th Anniversary Special, 1983) and _The End of Time_ (Christmas/New Year Specials, 2009-10).
Stuck between a girl and a box.
Literally is the story of his life.
I’d like to see Big Finish’s channel have its own compilation page for Gallifrey series trailers. 👍🏻👏🏻
Finally someone mentions the audio series!
YES! I love the audio dramas
Praise Rassilon, yes..
unfortunately they are contracted to follow the new cannon now
@@adamcampbell5977 Yeah, its finally over for Big Finnish too.
End of an era 😞
Good to see some of the classics. The scene with second doctor and the Time Lords is my first clear recollection of a scene from Doctor Who. I remember the second doctor, Jamie and Zoe. I hated the show before then because it scared me so much. But I remember that that scene. I started watching it from then on.
Gallifrey is so beautiful! It’s like the planet of heaven! It’s great for a character like the Doctor to be grown up in.
10: Allons-y
War: Oh for god's sake! Gallifrey Stands.
I love how the War doctor complains about their quirks but has his own catchphrase too
"Ten million years of absolute power. That's what it takes to be really corrupt."
Oh doctor. Had you known better. They had been rotten from the start.
Timeless child isn't canon. 😔
For all his faults Moffet did a great job with Day of the Dr and Twice upon a time, Day of the Dr had some great scene's and music when the Dr's emerge from that stasis picture walking in time with each other and the music still makes me smile. Twice upon a time was funny in places especially with the first Dr's none P.C comments, I also like to see Mark Gattis make appearances his acting as is his writing are always spot on. But for the life of me I just can't get into Chubby Chib's writing style I would even go as far as saying he is far better writing drama then scifi, I can't hellp wondering what Jodi would be like with RTD or Moffet writing her scripts.
I'm kind of compelled to agree. The drama in Doctor Who during his era has been pretty good, even the historical stuff has been on the money. But there's an element of Who that isn't quite clicking and after the Timeless Children, it's very apparent that he had a master plan behind Who from the get go. Jodie has been written VERY well in non canon things -- The Runaway VR game highlights her strengths as The Doctor beautifully. So it's definitely the writing that puts a hamper on this Neo New Who.
@@TreyMcDonaldAnimator I think he went into the show thinking he could write SciFi in the same style as drama which does not work at all, it's a shame really because Jodi has done her best with what's written. I would like to see Mark Gattiss as head writer, his experience of writing for the show has been proven and where Chibnall is in your face with his political messages I think Gattiss would be more subtle and still get the message across. I liked RTD as head writer he wrote for adults and children.
@@albaproductions9602 he would be good, Nicolas Briggs would be good, I heard he has written a few. Just someone who can present a bold but faithful continuation of Who. Chibnall, despite some pretty winning episodes like Fugitive of the Judoon and Ascension of the Cyberman (I'd even give this finale a bit of a nod for wrapping up loose holes) it doesn't carry the same kind of magic as Moffat and RTD.
Watching that Patrick Troughton scene, the influence on Matt Smith is so clear.
So is child master wearing the same type of outfit as the Time Lords in War Games?
Yes he is
The most powerful and scary the time lords have ever been and because of nuwho they now appear just to mess with the doctor by dressing as schoolchildren.
Zach Laurano an internet critic harsh on new who said that the time lords went back to the high collars once the drugs wore off and too the 2nd doctor it was like one of the members of AC/DC who wore a school uniform or was it Aerosmith?
yep
@@jordanreed3675
Master Was to Be part of CIA?
14:50 Now THAT was a proper Time War with a proper Doctor who D-Mating an entire species and a whole Sontaran fleet.
Can someone please tell me why I'm crying? This is such a wonderful reminder of why I adore this show.
18:17 the beginning of the greatest doctor
Pierre Andre that has to be one of the best teases for something to come in TV the next doctor showing up
Nope
500% concur. I miss him. The other Doctors are fine, but they ain't Capaldi.
So many great moments too bad Chiby and the BBC choose to F the whole thing up. RIP Doctor Who
Gallifrey... Falls *NO MORE* .
12: Regeneration?
General: God damn it. Didn't think he'd figure it out.
"Everything you know is a lie"
Plot twist: timelords are dendents from humans who fled from cybermen during the cyberwars
I'm curious to see how the timeless child renders all this a lie this Sunday. A fascinating concept if nothing else.
@@kujobananaro6737 Blame chibnell not me when it happens.. 🙃
@@mpg272727 That would make a paradox bc The time lords is older than the human species. They cant be decedants of humans if they were already a species before humans evolved on Earth.
Unless the humans created a alternate timeline once they went through the portal and became the Timelords of that alternate universe and not the normal universe.
Scandalous, I better just nuke the entire planet for it's crimes.
So the highly advanced technology of The Time Lords involved pencil sketches by their court room artist. The 2nd Doctor's regeneration choices appear to be people from a dodgy look-a-like agency : Brian Blessed, Fats Domino, David Tennant or Adolf Hitler? He must have had second thoughts later about the third option.
From what I have seen in the series, choosing a body isn't an exact science, so I guess sketches were enough
I love how they can't call it a best of because then it'd all be Narvin.
I think there's a meme of young Lisa and Bart Simpson where Lisa finishes a Lego masterpiece and looks all proud, then Bart runs over and smashes it and she cries. That's the 13th Doctor, Gallifrey and the Master. "I just finished fixing that, you son of a ...!"
The finale made this metaphor a lot more accurate than I wanted it to be...
19:11 Episode “Arc Of Infinity” didn’t came out in 1973 cause Peter Davison Doctor was in the 80s and John Pertwee was the Doctor in 1973
Bridget Midget 1983 to be specific.
Erhyzn well at least I kinda got that right
Damn that Rassilon vs Doctor was good. I'll never understand the hate for Hell Bent.
0:27 the first look I ever got at Gallifrey, and as a kid that was simply awesome to see it and the timelords. Those old storylines were amazing
9- the man who reflects
10- the man who regrets
11- the man who forgets
12- the man who forgives
13- the woman who relives
@N30N 0M3N actually no. Maybe if you watch the episode again along with some fan theories, it will all make sense and nothing is retconned.
@N30N 0M3N then I'm sorry you feel that way about the show.
@N30N 0M3N However much you tell me that you hate the BBC and Chibnall for what they're doing to Doctor Who, it's not going to change my opinion. If you want to complain, do it somewhere else. Don't waste my time.
@N30N 0M3N you are wasting my time by telling me how much you hate the show at the moment. Not everyone shares your opinion. Again, if you want to complain, don't waste your own time by talking to me. 🤷♂️
@N30N 0M3N What I'm trying to say is I don't want to know your opinion on the current state of doctor who. Sorry, I don't wish to continue this conversation.
My theory is that the Time Lords have human origin that founding fathers like Rassilon and Omega wanted to cover up to create a new, greater civilization. Whatever the Timeless Child or Children is enabled Rassilon to find the key to regeneration and "eternal life".
Things that support the Time Lords having human origin:
1. Their appearance is extremely human-like, pretty much identical.
2. They speak English
3. Rassilon said in the End of Time that the Time Lords could either die or "return" to the waking world and complete the ultimate sanction. He could've said "go" but said "return", which implies that Earth has a place somewhere in their history. Maybe only the founding fathers and corrupt High Council only know their true origin.
I have always thought the Time Lords and humanity are connected somehow. It explains why the Doctor is attracted to humans and visits Earth more than Gallifrey.
NCG vampires and the ancient Gallifreyan script (albeit looking like Greek and algebra)
NCG “waking world”
One thing ... They could not speak english ... Remember talk on the tardis of those things that can translate almost any language
@@toukoenriaze9870 well if this theory is true it couldve taken the humans a million years to evolve into time lords and at that point they probably would've replaced english with other languages
Even if the time lords do originate from humanity, I don't think the humans they showed us in the last episode were from earth, I think that planet was more likely to be Mondas
I really want to see the red grass and silver leaves on the trees
Naw mate it's just yellow sand.
You have to smoke the red grass
12 Monkeys?
@@braquemar thats because they are in the dry lands, not solace or solicitude
@ 5:30 to 8:42 One of the best scenes of Peter Capaldi's run as the Doctor and he hardly needs to say a word.
'On pain of death, no one take a selfie'. I love that line.
Gallifrey Falls No Mo-... I mean... Gallifrey Falls Again!
All jokes aside - Gallifrey is like the best planet, in my opinion. There's so much we still yet have to discover. And I'm sure it's about to be revealed in the finale.
Watching this after series 12 finale...
so sad #ripdotorwho ;(
omg its hard not to get emotional watching this, i had forgotten all faces of this Time Lord.
Then, everything changed when the Chris Chibnall attacked
StrumDynasty Gaming more dangerous than Matt Smiths crack
mono lith To be clear it was actually Amy’s crack xD
@@strumdynastygaming7217 you're absolutely right! However, I'm still going to take a moment to have a long hard think about that XD
Jordan S I think he smoked it all just before he did season 12
@@strumdynastygaming7217 "Amy's crack" sounds a bit wrong in my mind because of how dirty minded I am.
This is Gallifrey makes me miss Murray Gold even more.
"All 13!" Goosebumps and tears. Every time.
I like how the Desert on Gallifrey looks like an actual desert. The sand is so golden.
3:16-3:39 is basically Twitter every time the Doctor changes.
22:28
Idea 1: When the Doctor said "Regeneration" my first thought was that somehow he was going to give Clara the power to regenerate just once.
Because he was given more regenerations so maybe with help he can give her one.
Idea 2: Back when he was tricked into healing the Daleks he could heal Clara by traveling back in time just after her death with some Time Lord technology and bring her back.
Tbh if the Timelords are connected to humans in this series finale whereas they are the decendants of the human species then gifting a human the ability to regenerate even just once may be possible?!?
Is Clara the Timeless Child?
@@georgerigberg4335 could be "A" timeless child because the title of the last episode seems to confirm that their is more than one
The Doctor was just making sure The General wouldn't die. You're really over thinking it.
9:14 Show me the first doctor"
"W-who's that black woman?"
Slippy lol that funny
But she's not the first one. We don't even have evidence she's before Hartnell.
I really, REALLY hope the Series 12 finale brings back Rassilon, after being exiled by the 12th Doctor
I’d love to see the 13th Doctor and the Master face him
Edit: never mind they didn’t
7:14 "every story, ever told really happened" thats cool man, really cool. XD
Glib twaddle. "You should send that to Readers Digest, they've got a page for people like you."
Here to wipe off the stain of that series finale and pretending it never happened.
Moffat knew to leave the history of galifrey as it was. But chibnall being a greedy toddler just had to mess with it.
waaah
I'm sure after next week, we'll all come back to this vid and say "THERE! There's the spoiler!"
The clip of the 2nd doctor fuels my hope for a season 6B theory to be right about Ruth
They didn't have to show 2’s whole regeneration, did they? 😉
Maybe they did this video so NewWho viewers can understand where Ruth will be revealed to be
Starbourne | Indeed. That's what I think.
Woozle 03 Productions I see where you’re going with that, but no. The Doctor expended all of his regenerations in his first cycle, so Ruth can’t be a forgotten regeneration. Whatever the explanation is for everything, and for the Doctor in particular, it’s likely more complicated than that.
The Hippy Griff meta crisis regeneration could have not actually used one up, but because had forgotten about Ruth, The Doctor thought that it had
No she's pre hartnell and so is Julie Graham
Doctor Who series 12 final episode 10 theory! Spoilers ahead!: The human refugees are the Gallifreyan ancestors. They travelled to Gallifrey to survive and down the line, evolved into what we know as Gallifreyans (two hearts, longer Lifespan, etc.)
They found the timeless child and used her to gain the ability to Regenerate, leading to the first time lords. I think the Ruth doctor came before the first doctor. They forced the timeless child to regenerate into William Hartnell, gave him a new regeneration cycle and wiped his memory
That’s why the Master was angry. Because he’s always hated humanity, and how he’s found out the time lords are basically evolved humans.
You can clearly see the citadel of Gallifrey through the portal. As the old man said. It doesn’t normally look like that. The Master used the portal to travel back to reach the doc so he had some control over it I guess.
That’s my theory
Wrong, the parameters of Regeneration are very well know, it was created, by Omega and Rassilon, a virus, made in a lab. The Timeless Child refers to her being timeless, as in existing at all times simultaneously, not anything about regeneration
Good theory but I think in an episode of doctor who it states that timelords are older than humans
If they make it so Hartnell is somehow not the first I'm going to be mad. Like Master 'destroying my home planet' mad.
😲wow you sir or madam are why this fandom is really creative ...there needs to be more people like you 😁
@@KabirSinghz The rift in this context (latest episode), is a portal to before the Timelords were a thing. And Gallifrey itself is just a concept built by the surviving humans from the Cyber war.
I'd take it one step further and say the idea of Gallifrey wss established by Ko Sharma, and that he led people through it.
That they studied the rift once they arrived in their new home. Learnt from it and found away to access Time itself, so that they may give themselves the power of regeneration. Over time perfecting it. The Gallifrey of Old.
Or not.
Can’t wait to see more of Gallifrey! Looking forward to the finale!
Same
Ikr, it's gonna be great.
Saul Cuthbertson you poor poor bastards I’m so sorry
Damn this hurts to read.
wish they’d bring back the old Gallifrey theme
Wish they'd have actual music in the new season instead of just ambient noise.
@@SaintsBro217 if only we still had Murray Gold
@@elliebrooke3987 if only we still had David Tennant as the doctor still
@@anti-venom2036 If only we didn't have Chibnall
Every time Gallifrey appears in a New Series episode, it makes me wonder about the Doctor's past. Same with Murray Gold's score, it warms my heart.
What the Time Lords did to the Master when he was a child was cruel and horrible.
And also forcing the Doctor to regenerate was cruel of them as well.
I hate to say this, but the Time Lords are worse than the Daleks.
Alun Jones they’re horrible, but they’re not worse than the Daleks. At least time lords have the capacity for good and kindness and love, Daleks are creatures of hate and death.
What the hell are you on about? Jedi ain't perfect but that's not a reason to join the dark side!
Who can tell the difference anymore!
I think the Sixth Doctor described them perfectly:" The oldest civilization, decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core. Dalek, Soltarans, Cybermen, they are silliness from nursery compared to us. Ten millions years of absolute power, that's what it takes to be really corrupted.
@@thetwelfthdoctor9892 "...they are *still in the nursery* compared to us". Typo fixed :)
‘A parallel pocket universe’... hmm... what if the Timeless Child came from that pocket universe Gallifrey was put into in the 50th anniversary special back into the shows’ regular universe but in the far past and its a paradox loop?
My gosh Clara was beautiful
It is said, that in one timeline she was Queen Victoria. That's how she knows how it was vital to set up The Torchwood Institute.
It is said, that in one timeline she was Queen Victoria. That's how she knows how it was vital to set up The Torchwood Institute.
The music is just so iconic and amazing
*Revived Era:* Destroys Gallifrey through the invention of a massive time war to propel the show into a brand new era and decade. Adds layers of depth to the lore and Doctor’s character.
*50th Anniversary:* Save Gallifrey in such a way that involves all incarnations of the Doctor (up to Capaldi), does a great Job giving the Doctor more character development, and in no way trampled on the character depth we got from Gallifrey falling. Plus it was just as weighted (I mean we knew, but the Doctor(s) had NO idea that their new idea was in any way better. For all they knew they still could have destroyed Gallifrey or would otherwise never find it again. It was just a tiny bit more hopeful than 100% blowing it up).
*The Time of the Doctor:* Established that Gallifrey is back (though lost) and allowed the Doctor more regenerations in the heart warming end to Matt Smith’s eleventh Doctor
*Heaven Sent:* Completely established Gallifrey’s return and location. Allowing it’s usage in the show going forward. All in a great performance by Peter Capaldi and amazing episode (my personal favorite) that put the 12th through so much pain that it was beautiful to watch him overcome. Hell Bent left much to be desired with Gallifrey, but I was fine with that as long as it was back and we could see great future plots with it like in Classic Who.
*Chibnall (Series 12):* And... its gone. Chibnall’s destroys Gallifrey again twice in series 12. The first time through the Master (makes no sense. He ran away from the time war. How did he achieve so easily what took the Daleks, a galaxy eater armageddon weapon with a conscience, and/or all 13 Doctor’s?) and then for bonus measures using a life annihilator the Cybermen just had for reasons (why didn’t they use that immediately again or have it in previous conflicts? Seems like an instant game winner). The first time being in an okay opener and the second time being in the worst series finale, I’ve seen in the show since the revived era. The entire act of which does LITERALLY NOTHING FOR THE CHARACTERS, LORE, OR SHOW IN GENERAL MOVING FORWARD.
Better retcon that with he only destroy the high council and lied about the rest for some reason
I like that this jumps around a lot.
There is no Nu Who or Old (Classic) Who.
There is only Doctor Who.