I'm a tall man. I test drove the Mach-E. It was difficult to climb in because it sits low with a high step-over door sill. Leg room was barely adequate and I thought it would be uncomfortable on a long trip. I purchased a new Model Y Long Range. Easy to get into, high seating position, tons of leg room, and no range anxiety with the a Tesla supercharger network. Very happy with my Tesla. Zero defects. Easy to live with. I’ll never go back to an ICE vehicle. (Prayers for your wife.)
I have a 2023 Lightning with extended range battery. Most of what people are experiencing are early adopter issues. Charging at home really isn’t an issue. I have V3 Tesla wall connector that will Charge at 40A 30mph or if I’m in a hurry I also have a V2 wall connector that’s 80A 60mph. The Ford charger is still in the box. The app on the other hand is a real issue. It only connects about 25% of the time. The truck still charges but you can’t see what it’s doing or often times it reports the wrong range/rate. That said, I prefer driving it over my ModelY. It’s quieter, smoother, and just as quick!
I have had mine since last Oct and I think its a great vehicle, I run daily 300-400KM and this truck is perfect for that. I have a cap on it and about 500-600 pounds in the bed as a service vehicle. I rarely charge on the road but when I do I only charge to add enough range to get home so it is really only on for a short time where I may use that time to shop or have lunch etc, really has been painless for me. Ya software is gen 1 but they keep updating and listen to customers in the background, the app is pretty brutal I will say but it does do what is needed. Have zero regrets thus far for my usage.
Good to hear you like it. I would be dumb to get one because it can’t tow 4000lbs more than 90 miles without a charge. I regularity tow 6000lbs, I would be screwed to many times if I bought one. Hopefully the technology improves or who knows maybe another technology will be better:
Traded my Lightning for a new 2022 F250 diesel after 6 weeks. Range range range, 150 miles at interstate speeds and charge it. I couldnt tolerate the range. Loved the truck, always charged it at home and it costed me less than $100 to charge it for a month, very affordable to operate, but no range.....
Hey Sam I picked up my Lightning 2 weeks ago and I love it , I plan on some road trips in the near future , once we are able to get one of those Tesla adapters to charge our Lightnings things will be a lot better , it's such a pleasure not to stop and get gas , and the acceleration is wonderful !!! there's been rumors of Ford coming out with and extra battery pack that will increase your mileage ! I will definitely look into that when it happens ! I hope your wife gets better !!!
@@slickar2752they are willing to endure charging for 45 mins every hour and a half… so they would not have to smell gas vapors for 5 mins every 8 to 10 hours of driving. :)
I got gas in my wife’s Lincoln Navigator yesterday…filled up 30 gallons in like 3 minutes and can now go another 400 miles (300-350 if towing) Is it really that big of a deal to stop for 3-5 minutes to get gas. 🤷🏼♂️
How much do you tow? The lightning can only tow 4000lbs for 90 miles. I tow 6000lbs on a regular basis. Im hoping the technology improves because for me an EV truck would be a foolish move.
I own, and frequently road trip in a Lightning ER. This video and many of the comments are completely wrong about charging the truck. The Lightning ER is one of the FEW EVs on the market that has dual on-board chargers, so it can charge at 80a (19.2 kW) on AC. The PEAK DC fast charge rate is about 175 kW, but the charging curve AVERAGEs close to 130 kW and the truck is still pulling over 100 kW, all the way to 80%. I commonly charge from 15-80% and I don’t think it has ever taken more than 45 minutes to charge unless there were issues with the station, even in very cold weather. Most charging stops for me are under 30 minutes. EV drivers need to learn about real world charging curves and stop focusing on PEAK charging rate, it is just a distraction used by EVs whose charging curve sucks. I do agree that the situation being described in the video was just a buyer who failed to do their homework’s before spending $90k+ on a depreciating asset. Had interest rates not skyrocketed, demand wouldn’t have tanked and he would have likely been able to sell it without losing so much.
Hi, first time viewer, first time caller….I dislike the Sync software and the app. Sometimes it doesn’t record the efficiency of the trip, and updating the software is a horror and nearly impossible. I’m an Apple type person, so I don’t find the software intuitive to find something in the menus. I don’t drive often. I’ve had the truck since September of ‘02 and have 1800 miles on it. I charge it at home once a month. I have had range anxiety on long trips to NYC, but I also have a few gassed cars. I’m also on the early list for the Cybertruck, so I’ll see which I like better. All in all, I love the truck. I love EVs. It was a great replacement to my ‘08 250SD diesel.
I saw the other videos and chose to watch yours over their click bait and you explained it perfectly, do your research before you jump on the wagon. Thanks for your videos!
I sold mine for the same reason, it was too had to find charging and it was broke or very slow chargers. I never lost any money, came out even I loved the truck, it was the best one I have owned so far, it they could give me 1000KM of range I would buy one in a heart beat again. or even a plug in hybrid.
I am about to pull the trigger on a new 2023 extended range ford lightning. I am close. I'm doing research reading your reviews on your site...My husband who is a real 250 truck owner doesn't really grasp the concept of the versatility of a truck but use it mainly as my car... The charge time certainly seems to be a nuisance but I will mainly be charging it at home I'm sure 95% of the time... I certainly don't want to hear I told you so.... Thank you for your platform very helpful. I will be watching for new information... I hope things go well your wife and family. That is a difficult thing to have your mother sick. Study the Bible together I know that always brought peace and calm for our family 😊
One elment common to all EVs is they lose a lot of range when under load. There is a video on youtube of a couple that had an RT and towning a trailer w a mustang car on it; they were only getting about 100 miles in good weather. This is really really not acceptable If you do a lot of deliveries and real work with your truck. Combine that with long and awkard charging issues ; and it really really really becomes rediculous. Still a lot of people use their Truck as a car or a very light load vehicle; then its not so much a problem. I'm talking about trucks that need to perform as trucks.
The commentator you mentioned said his reason for not wanting to keep It was because we was towing a trailer with an old ford truck on it and he barely had range to get home after a full charge.
Just a thought on home charging. My house has approx 50 Kwatt service. The dryer outlet in the garage is good for 40 amps, but derates to 32 amps for continuous duty, so about 7.6 Kwatts. That 131 Kwatt battery would take over 17 hours to a full charge, a little less than 14 hrs to 80%
@Drew Thompson I've seen people get 135 miles towing an 36 foot airstream those low low figures are people just doing a 12 mile loops and baseing there findings off of the ford guess-o- meter instead of actually driving it the 135 miles
My son put in a reservation. Early on . He got to the point where the truck would be built and then he canceled after debating with his family . You may find good deals with people not happy with EVs wanting to sell . I would not be surprised you may see some huge discounts on used EVs in the next 5 years .
When an EV is unfit for the current owner it gets sold to the next guy where it will work. I seen a video where a gal had an old Bolt that would only make it to town. Had to charge it to get back home. She got it at the right price and loves it. Generally the older an EV battery is the slower is the range loss.
@@danharold3087I think the problem is you can't take a used EV to a mechanic to check if it's mechanically in good shape . Just isn't that mechanic EV infrastructure and if you do find someone it's going to cost you . Also all the software and electronics makes them vulnerable to defects . You might compare to expensive German ice vehicles . In short order they become very cheap from very expensive because they brake down because they have so much technology that can go wrong and it's expensive to fix . EVs may fall into that same bag . Now you might get a great deal but with that great deal is more risk . Once the warranty is done you are mostly on your own .
@@stevencole7331 If you feel more comfortable with an ICE stay with ICE. But I encourage you to expose yourself to EVs where possible with an open mind. I love working on ICE engines. Everything from lawn mowers to rebuilding V8s. But the truth is that as transportation ICE is on the way out. EVs are fundamentally better. Yes they have a ways to go but good progress is being made. It is like when carbs were replaced by EFI. Most sweared by carbs and at EFI (Have you seen were ThunderHead289 is running lawn mower carbs on a V8?) Fun stuff. Nobody in the existing chain of car dealers and oil companies want to kill the golden goose. They are fighting hard to delay the day they know will arrive. My hope is that we can still get reasonably priced gas to operate infrequent use vehicles. You description of breaking down from too much tech is a better description of a modern ICE vehicle which have been tortured for 50 years to get better emissions and mileage. Most new cars are being sold at a higher trim level to get deeper into our pockets. ICE and EV. The EV drivetrain itself is far simpler and far more reliable than ICE. When you understand the tech there is no disputing this. For the most part the computer works or it don't. Just like the computers on every modern ICE car. You are not going anywhere without ICE EI and EFI that work. The code needed to run an inverter is no more complex. It is what it is. The transition will happen. Do what you can to make it work for you.
I bought one new F150 lightning last week, new lariat extended range. Beautiful and soft ride and for the records my daily drive is a MYLR, 2 m old, which i love. with the lightning i noticed No issues with the software, it does drive excellent, and I love it. Not ONLY I am keeping it, with my MYLR, but also, I am getting a second F150 lightning for my wife next week. Yes, it is that good, she agreed to trade in her beloved limited edition F150 for a new f150 lariat lightning. The current financial incentives are too good to pass, discount of 10k, 1.99 % for 36 m or 3.99% for 60 months. Ford is really moving those trucks now. I am glad it was out of stock when my early 2021 reservation came up about 10 m ago as I am getting much lower price and unbelievable financing rate. Ty Sam for a nice video.
Buying any EV but a TESLA is just plain DUMB since there is NO HIGH SPEED charging network dedicated to other brands. THe 2nd reason is that other companies dont really want to make EVS as they lose money. Theyre designed less efficient right from the factory with to many unecessary bells and whistles that add weight and complexity. BAD for EVs in general.
I have Lightning standard range.......I charge at home 99 percent of the time.........the one road I have taken use EA chargers ...... hit speeds of 166 kilowatts....... hit 80 percent in less than 40 minutes it has been vehicle to own......simply gets the job done
My commute to work is 100 miles round trip...... never had a problem with range anxiety in the 6 months of ownership......TOWING I don't.....I can but in past 50 years never needed to..... like most people......... I do HAUL lots of stuff.....it's nice having not to borrow a friend truck.........My Lightning simply gets the job done 👍
Actually I am saving $3500 to $4000 in gasoline costs a year.....at $3.25 per gallon......do the math the saving over ten years......look man it just works......not to mention the maintenance saving......
Sold my Y for an ER Lightning. I waited 20-25 min, now I wait 30-40 min. 330 miles driving around Lake Tahoe, with 4 wheel slide in camper and ATs it’s about 240-260 around Tahoe and 220 miles on highway. It’s a great ride and fast when you need it.
( no because many will probably leave exp. car home and fly - get a destination car not roadtripping car. Expectation management is key to being happy with decisions.). larf.
If you use the Lightening for actual truck things, the actual range will drop significantly rather quickly. In cold climates, your range absolutely plummets. At $90k+ just for something to haul yourself and passengers around, it's a significantly total higher cost than an ICE vehicle. The Lightening's are just toys for wealthy people.
I don't think people grasp how big a competitive gap Tesla's charging network offers for their competitors. Also, it surprises me how many manufacturers of EV's with big battery packs are not looking at a 800V charging option.
You know, I seem to recall that when elon was questioned about teslas going to 800v, he said that all vehicles “for the foreseeable future” would use the existing ~400v architecture. And as far as I know, they still do to this day.
@@jacobcarlson4010 next gen vehicle refresh is coming out this month, same with the cyber truck shortly im willing to bet its over 250kw how fast well have to wait and see
That's my thing people need to realize. Tesla is way ahead of the game in the charging stations. You sell your truck 6 months after because you feel like you can't charge It properly you should have anticipated that
Obviously the Viking hasn’t been here to the United States where Tesla’s chargers are backed up for hours and the other fast chargers have happy ford, Chevy and Nissan owners chatting about being thankful they don’t have to wait three hours to charge. Sometime interoperability is just interoperability.
Many sold it with the lower purchase price is selling to make money. I'm looking at the used Lightning sell in my area, and they are way expensive. Some are over their MSRP price when new. If you got the top trim, then it be hard to get a higher price. The lower price F150 Lightning, people are trying to flip a lot.
EV depreciation is massive - collosal infact. People are relucant to buy second hand EV's mainly because of unknown battery condition. You pay an absolute fortune for the vehicle, and in 3 years (if you keep it that long), you can see a 70% or more drop in value. It's a very big problem in the UK right now - EV depreciation is 3x that of a petrol car.
My wife drives a 2013 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (200k miles), and l drive a 2012 Jeep Liberty🗽 (150k miles). Rebuilt transmission, new water pump, new radiator and the truck is in new condition. Good old vehicles!
A year into public EV charging in the Southwest USA my advise is charge late at night or early morning to avoid lines. Even with the big TESLA charging centers. Middle of the night charging is ideal from my experiences. Power companies out here only pay Musk 8 cents per excess KW his solar EV charging stations put into the grid. Instead, selling excess KW's to FORD owners at 49 Cents per KW is all about business.
Electric pickups can be a better choice for heavy in box loads. Rolling friction is low and regenerative braking makes accelerating and stopping the load cancel out. Towing is a problem because the efficiency of the truck design is only 1/2 the problem. Charging every 4 hours is not a bad thing if it is done in a reasonable time. 800V and 1000V batteries and charging will help make that real. 4 hours is ARGUABLY at the limit of what one should drive without a break anyway. Keep in mind that we are in early times for the electrified vehicles and charging network.
Unless they do something about towing and the range dropping in half electric pick up trucks are limited to "Gentleman's" trucks - for show and not work which is a tiny market
3:21 It won't take that long to charge because you only need enough charge to get you to the next Supercharger site... which are everywhere. As an EV enthusiast you should know that. Having to do long charge times might be true because of their relative scarcity (especially finding one in working condition) but not Tesla's network.
If I knew the NC and SC Superchargers were going to be open to Ford's, I would buy a Lighting tomorrow. I would prefer a traditional work truck over the Cybertruck. I just don't think the Cybertruck will be suited for a work truck.
That buyer may have actually lost more like $15K because he paid sales or ad valorem tax of about 8% on the sale. Then he’ll be paying that tax again on his new vehicle, so maybe 20K or more due to buying and selling and buying in a short time period.
@@sigma_six , especially if he didn't need a vehicle over the intervening period... The vehicle which doesn' exist on the market, helps nobody. ha ha ha . (EVs are still generally for people commute regular distances and charge at home, otherwide mustn't mind waiting. - a non produced vehicle is no different)
@@connclissmann6514 Depends on the state and how he handles the sale. In my state cars and trucks are classed different, the tax from one will not apply to the other when traded in.
@@connclissmann6514 Yeah, could be; it's not specified. $88K sounds more like the sales price before tax at about six months ago. Just trying to point out that it's good to keep the taxes in mind when purchasing if you might not like the vehicle and want to swap it for something else in a short time frame.
I own a Ford Lightning Pro SR. It was fully loaded (for the trim level) and I paid 55K for it. I've never used a public fast charger, and I never intend to. My wife drives an old ICE Escalade that can do anything lightning can not do. I have not yet had any reason to use it - but I don't road-trip often. I have experienced 1-2 software glitches in 6000 miles, the most serious of which are with the infotainment - which has required me to power cycle the unit (turn off car, open door, wait for 5s, close door, turn on car). Not a big deal. The truck works well as a short-range hauler/tower, family car, and is incredibly fast in a straight line.
Talked to Rivian owner yesterday and that is garbage too. He gets 1/2 the range pulling something. In short, only buy a Tesla...Biggest hidden secret of the world
This is such a compromise matter I wonder if we have given pause to consider what EVs can really mean in this regard. Who stole the narrative around this issue? If it were an ICE vehicle then there would be uproar or no one would buy one, full stop. Physics and maths are not amenable to compromise, and if the numbers don’t add up, you will save yourself a lot of heart ache by not buying an EV truck. If recharging is the real issue here, then keep in mind that all load lugging EV transports need calculation gymnastics and logistic considerations before you buy. How rear vision and tedious can an issue get? If you drive long distances and with payloads or trailers in toe for business then you will need fast recharging to save time wherever you are. Time is money. If high RC is not available then you are screwed. You cannot wish the issue away. If its for a pleasure trip then it may possibly end up in frustration over recharging delays as well. With a battery pack this big you will need rapid charging at the fastest rate, so you can be on your way ASAP, the maths do not lie. Because a manufacturer is losing money on each one does not equate to a really good deal. You can’t buy time with a ‘good’ deal when you are stuck for 3-4 hours trying to recharge your EV, and you miss a paying connection down the road. That won’t do.
The next version of the Ford F150 Lightning may make claims of faster charging but that doesn't mean you'll actually get it (well, at the speed that it needs to be). Ford should just develop a version of the F150 Lightning that is battery swapping compatible and just license a "customized version for trucks" from Nio since the Mustang Mach E is already sharing Nio car charging infrastructure in China thru a state agreement. So its not like they are strangers to each other. Ford already is in a partner ship with CATL I believe. Battery packs for electric trucks are huge and swapping seems to make a lot of sense. Ford could install a truck battery swap facility at some dealerships. But you could still charge the slow way (cable) if you wanted to.
Here in the SW U S , illegals from Mexico do most of the work. In many places they are the remaining skilled labor force that knows what they are doing.
I saw the video and most of his reasons were pretty generic. The one thing I never heard him mention in that particular video or some of his previous videos about the truck was the Ford Charge Station Pro charger for home. He said he has the extended battery so that should have been included. It’s an 80 amp charger. He could have charged in off peak hours at night with no problems. So if he never had it installed, I’d have to wonder if he actually meant to keep it in the first place. 7 months is a long time to be paying at public chargers with that size battery. I hope he didn’t buy it to flip it. That’s on him if it didn’t work out the way he planned. It sounded to me like he’s probably put in orders for everything to make content when he gets whatever comes through.
To me personally a lot of these companies rushed the trucks out to hurry up and try to beat the Tesla cyber truck so that’s why the products are not that great test is taken. It’s time to bring out the best thing you’ve ever seen in your life. What do you want fast food or correct food?
It’s sad to hear that the F 150 takes so long to charge. I’m wondering if the Tesla chargers will be faster. Also, I will be praying for your wife. I hope her cancer scans show improvement.
It's physically impossible for Lightning to use a Supercharger. Cord is 10 ft too short. If you pull in, it's on the wrong side of the vehicle. Couldn't have picked a worse location for chargeport.
Ford knew exactly what they were doing, when cheap-ing out on the slow internal chargers for their vehicles. "But, we have bi-directional charging! You can run your house off your Ford EV!"
I think when they were designing it they wanted it built fast to the market and used tech that was available up to a certain time and knew that the price would be a lot. Reminds me of the Webb Space Telescope, the camera by time it was launched was old and obsolete, but that's what they designed at the time it was approved. This will be like the changes from the first iPhone to the newer iPhones in the next few years
Thats the problem with electric cars. When you have to charge away from home wastes time. When it add it up it becomes a lot of time just sitting there and charging
I own 2021 Ford F 150 Powerboost. That the 3.5 twin turbo hybrid. I Do tow a trailer about 50% of the time and I live in the mountains! There is currently NO EV P/U by any manufacturer that meets my needs on a daily basis! I guess I have been lucky both on initial build quality and regarding recalls because this truck has never let me down! Gets 8 -12 mpg towing, usually 8 the way I have to load truck and trailer (always near 10,000 lbs. on trailer). Truck with no trailer attached is currently averaging 22.8 mpg (I drive 80 mph). And occasionally I just use it around town where it averages about 25 mpg! Amazing! Speed limits around town are ridiculously slow so engine rarely turns on! Now… the Ford P.A.S.S. App….IT sucks! No need or reason to sugar coat it! It is absolutely unreliable, unnerving delays, totally inconsistent! To the point I very rarely even think of it anymore! In fact I hadn’t thought of it in months… until I watched your presentation on UA-cam! Hope this helps! Have a great day!
Electric Trucks offer the one thing that most EV cars don't: SPACE. They are bigger, larger, more spacious and carry more cargo. But road trips and towing are a NO NO for these things as the electric range dips considerably.
I disagree completely on people jumping from their gasoline or diesel trucks quickly as better ev’s come out. As a 40 year truck owner using mine for work and camping which is an electric trucks biggest problem. Example: we towed are 7500 lb Rv with 1000 lbs in bed of truck 3000 miles and because I have a diesel we have a 43 gallon tank in bed which afforded us to only stop 4 times during the trip….. how many stops would an electric truck need , I’m guessing 30-35 times , doesn’t sound like a fun trip to me. Besides pulling a pickup owner away from his gasoline powered one won’t be easy, I bet you see a lot of used lightnings for sale as reality sets in.
Mach E GT Performance owner here: The key thing is to have something else to do while charging: shopping, eating, etc. I am surprised how fast time goes by while my car is charging if I am otherwise occupied. Many times I have passed my target of 80, 90 or 95% by the time I get back to my car. I did wait once and it did feel like a long time but it was not long enough for a decent nap. I am lucky to be in the Northeast (D.C. to Boston) where there are a lot of chargers around and soon many more once Tesla's are available. yes there are a few key areas, especially in city centers (i.e. - Boston) where they are far apart but that is disappearing fast. The route from NYC to Chicago was an issue for Indiana with two of the rest stops there with only Superchargers (Ohio rest stops also have Electrify America chargers) but with having to put off my trip until next year the situation will now be better.
SAM! 💛 LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. I could hope to meet you one day, perhaps one of the Electrified events. God bless you guys! #PeacePowerFreedomHappiness !!⚡😎⚡
I was totally in at buying a Lightning starting at the $40k price point. My build out was $56k as of last summer. Just had to wait for my invite to order which just came a few weeks ago. However after seeing the price on my build out go up $20k I said forget it. Would I still love to own the Lightning? Yes of course.. but not at over $70k for the limitations you get with a Lightning. Now I don't knock the vehicle one bit!.. it is what it is. If it fits yur need it fits yur need. But at some point the pay to play vs capabilities ratio must make one take serious notice. For me there was little I can't do with my newly bought EV6 Wind that I could do with the Lightning.. gain alot extra range.. and save a ton of cash. For someone to say this price hike Ford put on the Lightning in only a few months still makes it a decent buy.. I'm not sure how that can be. I'm not sure how one can say they're still losing money on them.. yur not selling an EV to make yur invest back today. Yur building your investment to expand the business and keep your customer base.. or gain new. If you have to make yur investment back today then everyone is losing money. This has been explained before.. there's good debt and bad debt. Paying yur Ceo millions of dollars for virtually doing nothing and then telling me yur company isn't making money is completely laughable! You deserve to not make money if that's the case! Until legacy America figures this out my next EV might be built outside America as well.
@@SlavGuns right! Cause if yur building $70k-$100k pickup trucks I can assure you you're not building them for everyday working class.. yur building them for people that want the look of a truck but really don't need a truck. I am looking forward to some other vehicles in the works! Canoe was another manufacturer Sam did a video on that was pretty cool.. looked very functional for someone that needed a work van type of vehicle. Don't recall the price off hand... but as we've said before, competition is good! So Ford can keep their Lightning!! Lol! I'll wait for something else if I really need an EV truck. Lol! So far I'm loving my EV6! Lol
I have a Ford Mustang Mach E. The software is horrible. My rear hatch will not close automatically. It just beeps and doesn’t go down. The dealer couldn’t fix it so I have to close it manually. What a joke!
Bigger pack shouldn't be much slower to charge with decent charger if everything is done properly. Charger limits charge rate at beginning, but on the other hand, pack allows bigger current when closer to full. F150 seems to throttle speed to 100-120kw after small time. That's bad battery pack design, not too big battery. It's the same as model3 charging 60kw.
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192 Except when charge rate is being limited by cells/pack, which is typically always the case. Same cells can be charged exactly same time independent on battery pack size if cooling is good enough and enough current is available. If you use common sense, widen your thinking. In F150 lightening, charging C-rating is extremely poor. That's because the poor design or lack of battery knowledge. With same C-rating than model 3, F150 should be able to bottom 350kw charger but still maximum is about 160kw and after 10min, it drops between 100-140kw.
That's not very much depreciation for a new car, but seems a lot in the presence of a long waiting list for the vehicle. Remembering not so long ago when used Model 3s and Ys could beat new prices, because of long lists and price increases.
Until there is a massive upgrade in battery tech I would never recommend electric over oil. The Energy efficiency is not even comparable. We may get there in time but it is not now.
This is a good lesson in "marketing psychology" (Rivian no different) and why Tesla has had for the first time an advantage as the incumbent pure BEV player namely this time Tesla could *AT LAST* baseline a product ("Cybertruck") against both a known incumbent (Ford) and a known Next Tesla (Rivian) in a market Tesla was going to enter no matter what ("fin de siecle"?) Either way Ford has wisely teamed up with Tesla joining with their Tesla Charging System which has been great news for both Ford and Tesla as they both plus Rivian enter full on the Commercial Vehicle Market using pure BEV no ICE Platform USA. Ford as with Rivian produces an all electric delivery Van needs noting and since Tesla does not do this nor does Tesla have a US Postal Service contract which Ford Motor Company does have now (Kansas City...a massive production Facility I might add) this relationship helps out both Ford and Tesla greatly and I would argue Rivian Amazon as well. Either way I agree as F150 Lightning start trying to post up against still eminent not imminent Cybertruck there is nervousness of course as no one really knows what Cybertruck pricing will start at upon North America let alone what one gets for that price. To Ford's credit they did build a *HUGE* truck that looks good but yes you're absolutely correct until Cybertruck shows up hard to know what to expect other than the usual Advantage Tesla of course. Honda sales from goodcarbadcar.net off the charts higher to start 2023 is worth checking out imo.
Yeah, thank goodness Tesla has figured it out. I have a Model 3 Performance and it's amazing. I've tried using the Charge America stations and on more than 2/3rds of the time I can't charge because of a "network error" or it is just broken. I have never once in my life had a Tesla charger not work.
My F-150 Lariat extended range has never taken over 45 minute to charge from 20% to 80%. Driving the battery pack down to 20% is after about 3 to 3.5 hours of driving. After that long in the truck I need to do human things like eat, pee, stretch. It usually takes me about 45 minutes to do all of those things. All of the reasons that Jed said were an issue are pretty dumb. I have not had a single software issue. Selling the truck for $80k means that the trucks are not depreciating very quickly. He seemed salty that Ford didn't speak to him about improvements and I don't blame them. He doesn't seem like someone who is acting in good faith.
Depreciation losses are just part of the cost of doing business for car-oriented UA-camrs. The Out of Spec team are forever buying and selling cars. They'll do videos on the buying process, collection, interior reviews, range, charging, long-term ownership, then even on the selling / part-exchange process, and move on to the next car. Jed's no different, he'll have made back that $8000 multiple times over from his various F-150 videos.
NACS is irrelevant. What is relevant is the reliability of the charging network. Tesla has a reliable charging network in the US. They also have a reliable charging network in Europe, which uses CCS. It's clearly possible to build a reliable charging network regardless of the plug, but almost everyone else is failing.
@@lesstevens2370 Yes, I know. But, I'm growing weary of people implying that it's the Tesla plug that makes the network reliable. If you put Tesla plugs on Electrify America stations they wouldn't suddenly become more reliable.
Just because Ford loses $20k on every F-150 Lightning it sells does not mean that, at its MSRP, that it is a good deal. Their losses are based on how they guys with the green eyeshades calculate per unit costs. What makes a vehicle at ANY price a "Good Deal" is whether or not it can fulfill its mission; can it do the job that the purchaser expects it to accomplish? If it can't then it's not a good deal at ANY price unless the object is to re-sell it for a profit based on "The Greater Fool Theory". Neither Ford, GM, Sellantis, VW, BMW Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai nor any of the rest are in the EV business because they care one whit about the ecology. They care ONLY about their own economy, the financial fortunes of their own companies and what they must do to keep from being driven into bankruptcy by Tesla and the Chinese.
I'm a tall man. I test drove the Mach-E. It was difficult to climb in because it sits low with a high step-over door sill. Leg room was barely adequate and I thought it would be uncomfortable on a long trip. I purchased a new Model Y Long Range. Easy to get into, high seating position, tons of leg room, and no range anxiety with the a Tesla supercharger network. Very happy with my Tesla. Zero defects. Easy to live with. I’ll never go back to an ICE vehicle. (Prayers for your wife.)
Did you consider the S? What's your take?
I have a 2023 Lightning with extended range battery. Most of what people are experiencing are early adopter issues. Charging at home really isn’t an issue. I have V3 Tesla wall connector that will Charge at 40A 30mph or if I’m in a hurry I also have a V2 wall connector that’s 80A 60mph. The Ford charger is still in the box. The app on the other hand is a real issue. It only connects about 25% of the time. The truck still charges but you can’t see what it’s doing or often times it reports the wrong range/rate. That said, I prefer driving it over my ModelY. It’s quieter, smoother, and just as quick!
Thanks!
Buy now everyone should know no charging network works worth a damn except Tesla.
Thank you for the update on your wife. Warm hugs and love coming your way.
I have had mine since last Oct and I think its a great vehicle, I run daily 300-400KM and this truck is perfect for that. I have a cap on it and about 500-600 pounds in the bed as a service vehicle. I rarely charge on the road but when I do I only charge to add enough range to get home so it is really only on for a short time where I may use that time to shop or have lunch etc, really has been painless for me. Ya software is gen 1 but they keep updating and listen to customers in the background, the app is pretty brutal I will say but it does do what is needed. Have zero regrets thus far for my usage.
Good to hear you like it. I would be dumb to get one because it can’t tow 4000lbs more than 90 miles without a charge. I regularity tow 6000lbs, I would be screwed to many times if I bought one. Hopefully the technology improves or who knows maybe another technology will be better:
My heart breaks for your family and your son. Prayers from Colorado!
Daughter? They have two sons.
@@RWBHere I'm sorry
@@RWBHere fixed
I am confused also
Current electric pickups are simply horrible for long distance towing. The range is too short, and almost no chargers are set up for trailers.
Praying for you and your family.
Traded my Lightning for a new 2022 F250 diesel after 6 weeks. Range range range, 150 miles at interstate speeds and charge it. I couldnt tolerate the range. Loved the truck, always charged it at home and it costed me less than $100 to charge it for a month, very affordable to operate, but no range.....
Hey Sam I picked up my Lightning 2 weeks ago and I love it , I plan on some road trips in the near future , once we are able to get one of those Tesla adapters to charge our Lightnings things will be a lot better , it's such a pleasure not to stop and get gas , and the acceleration is wonderful !!! there's been rumors of Ford coming out with and extra battery pack that will increase your mileage ! I will definitely look into that when it happens ! I hope your wife gets better !!!
What da he..? It’s a pleasure not to stop for gas (every 400 miles) but it’s a joy to recharge every 80 miles?
@@slickar2752they are willing to endure charging for 45 mins every hour and a half… so they would not have to smell gas vapors for 5 mins every 8 to 10 hours of driving. :)
I got gas in my wife’s Lincoln Navigator yesterday…filled up 30 gallons in like 3 minutes and can now go another 400 miles (300-350 if towing) Is it really that big of a deal to stop for 3-5 minutes to get gas. 🤷🏼♂️
How much do you tow? The lightning can only tow 4000lbs for 90 miles. I tow 6000lbs on a regular basis. Im hoping the technology improves because for me an EV truck would be a foolish move.
That's like saying you rather walk vs peddling a bicycle lol.
I own, and frequently road trip in a Lightning ER. This video and many of the comments are completely wrong about charging the truck. The Lightning ER is one of the FEW EVs on the market that has dual on-board chargers, so it can charge at 80a (19.2 kW) on AC. The PEAK DC fast charge rate is about 175 kW, but the charging curve AVERAGEs close to 130 kW and the truck is still pulling over 100 kW, all the way to 80%. I commonly charge from 15-80% and I don’t think it has ever taken more than 45 minutes to charge unless there were issues with the station, even in very cold weather. Most charging stops for me are under 30 minutes.
EV drivers need to learn about real world charging curves and stop focusing on PEAK charging rate, it is just a distraction used by EVs whose charging curve sucks.
I do agree that the situation being described in the video was just a buyer who failed to do their homework’s before spending $90k+ on a depreciating asset. Had interest rates not skyrocketed, demand wouldn’t have tanked and he would have likely been able to sell it without losing so much.
Wow. A serious dose of reality to start off the video. I wish the best for everyone in your family.
Hi, first time viewer, first time caller….I dislike the Sync software and the app. Sometimes it doesn’t record the efficiency of the trip, and updating the software is a horror and nearly impossible. I’m an Apple type person, so I don’t find the software intuitive to find something in the menus. I don’t drive often. I’ve had the truck since September of ‘02 and have 1800 miles on it. I charge it at home once a month. I have had range anxiety on long trips to NYC, but I also have a few gassed cars. I’m also on the early list for the Cybertruck, so I’ll see which I like better. All in all, I love the truck. I love EVs. It was a great replacement to my ‘08 250SD diesel.
I saw the other videos and chose to watch yours over their click bait and you explained it perfectly, do your research before you jump on the wagon. Thanks for your videos!
I sold mine for the same reason, it was too had to find charging and it was broke or very slow chargers. I never lost any money, came out even I loved the truck, it was the best one I have owned so far, it they could give me 1000KM of range I would buy one in a heart beat again. or even a plug in hybrid.
I am about to pull the trigger on a new 2023 extended range ford lightning. I am close. I'm doing research reading your reviews on your site...My husband who is a real 250 truck owner doesn't really grasp the concept of the versatility of a truck but use it mainly as my car... The charge time certainly seems to be a nuisance but I will mainly be charging it at home I'm sure 95% of the time... I certainly don't want to hear I told you so.... Thank you for your platform very helpful. I will be watching for new information... I hope things go well your wife and family. That is a difficult thing to have your mother sick. Study the Bible together I know that always brought peace and calm for our family 😊
One elment common to all EVs is they lose a lot of range when under load. There is a video on youtube of a couple that had an RT and towning a trailer w a mustang car on it; they were only getting about 100 miles in good weather. This is really really not acceptable If you do a lot of deliveries and real work with your truck. Combine that with long and awkard charging issues ; and it really really really becomes rediculous. Still a lot of people use their Truck as a car or a very light load vehicle; then its not so much a problem. I'm talking about trucks that need to perform as trucks.
The commentator you mentioned said his reason for not wanting to keep
It was because we was towing a trailer with an old ford truck on it and he barely had range to get home after a full charge.
Just a thought on home charging. My house has approx 50 Kwatt service. The dryer outlet in the garage is good for 40 amps, but derates to 32 amps for continuous duty, so about 7.6 Kwatts. That 131 Kwatt battery would take over 17 hours to a full charge, a little less than 14 hrs to 80%
Upgrade needed if your going to use that 300 miles every day
Who is going to use 300 mile everyday?
@@YTYTYTY7 : delivery people? Trades? And if towing, the range can be severely limited. ( as In one demonstration, 85 miles per charge).
@Drew Thompson I've seen people get 135 miles towing an 36 foot airstream those low low figures are people just doing a 12 mile loops and baseing there findings off of the ford guess-o- meter instead of actually driving it the 135 miles
@@drewthompson7457 same goes for the rivian r1t
My son put in a reservation. Early on . He got to the point where the truck would be built and then he canceled after debating with his family .
You may find good deals with people not happy with EVs wanting to sell . I would not be surprised you may see some huge discounts on used EVs in the next 5 years .
When an EV is unfit for the current owner it gets sold to the next guy where it will work. I seen a video where a gal had an old Bolt that would only make it to town. Had to charge it to get back home. She got it at the right price and loves it. Generally the older an EV battery is the slower is the range loss.
@@danharold3087I think the problem is you can't take a used EV to a mechanic to check if it's mechanically in good shape . Just isn't that mechanic EV infrastructure and if you do find someone it's going to cost you . Also all the software and electronics makes them vulnerable to defects . You might compare to expensive German ice vehicles . In short order they become very cheap from very expensive because they brake down because they have so much technology that can go wrong and it's expensive to fix . EVs may fall into that same bag . Now you might get a great deal but with that great deal is more risk . Once the warranty is done you are mostly on your own .
@@stevencole7331 If you feel more comfortable with an ICE stay with ICE. But I encourage you to expose yourself to EVs where possible with an open mind.
I love working on ICE engines. Everything from lawn mowers to rebuilding V8s. But the truth is that as transportation ICE is on the way out. EVs are fundamentally better. Yes they have a ways to go but good progress is being made. It is like when carbs were replaced by EFI. Most sweared by carbs and at EFI (Have you seen were ThunderHead289 is running lawn mower carbs on a V8?) Fun stuff.
Nobody in the existing chain of car dealers and oil companies want to kill the golden goose. They are fighting hard to delay the day they know will arrive. My hope is that we can still get reasonably priced gas to operate infrequent use vehicles.
You description of breaking down from too much tech is a better description of a modern ICE vehicle which have been tortured for 50 years to get better emissions and mileage. Most new cars are being sold at a higher trim level to get deeper into our pockets. ICE and EV.
The EV drivetrain itself is far simpler and far more reliable than ICE. When you understand the tech there is no disputing this. For the most part the computer works or it don't. Just like the computers on every modern ICE car. You are not going anywhere without ICE EI and EFI that work. The code needed to run an inverter is no more complex.
It is what it is. The transition will happen. Do what you can to make it work for you.
Sell them in europe! We have good charging and demand for them. Right now imports cost about 190-200,000$
Thinking of your wife, you and your family. Sending wishes of health from Texas!
I bought one new F150 lightning last week, new lariat extended range. Beautiful and soft ride and for the records my daily drive is a MYLR, 2 m old, which i love. with the lightning i noticed No issues with the software, it does drive excellent, and I love it. Not ONLY I am keeping it, with my MYLR, but also, I am getting a second F150 lightning for my wife next week. Yes, it is that good, she agreed to trade in her beloved limited edition F150 for a new f150 lariat lightning. The current financial incentives are too good to pass, discount of 10k, 1.99 % for 36 m or 3.99% for 60 months. Ford is really moving those trucks now. I am glad it was out of stock when my early 2021 reservation came up about 10 m ago as I am getting much lower price and unbelievable financing rate. Ty Sam for a nice video.
Buying any EV but a TESLA is just plain DUMB since there is NO HIGH SPEED charging network dedicated to other brands. THe 2nd reason is that other companies dont really want to make EVS as they lose money. Theyre designed less efficient right from the factory with to many unecessary bells and whistles that add weight and complexity. BAD for EVs in general.
I have Lightning standard range.......I charge at home 99 percent of the time.........the one road I have taken use EA chargers ...... hit speeds of 166 kilowatts....... hit 80 percent in less than 40 minutes it has been vehicle to own......simply gets the job done
Totally agree.
My commute to work is 100 miles round trip...... never had a problem with range anxiety in the 6 months of ownership......TOWING I don't.....I can but in past 50 years never needed to..... like most people......... I do HAUL lots of stuff.....it's nice having not to borrow a friend truck.........My Lightning simply gets the job done 👍
Actually I am saving $3500 to $4000 in gasoline costs a year.....at $3.25 per gallon......do the math the saving over ten years......look man it just works......not to mention the maintenance saving......
Sold my Y for an ER Lightning. I waited 20-25 min, now I wait 30-40 min. 330 miles driving around Lake Tahoe, with 4 wheel slide in camper and ATs it’s about 240-260 around Tahoe and 220 miles on highway. It’s a great ride and fast when you need it.
When you buy an expensive car you don't expect to compromise on road trips.
( no because many will probably leave exp. car home and fly - get a destination car not roadtripping car. Expectation management is key to being happy with decisions.). larf.
If you use the Lightening for actual truck things, the actual range will drop significantly rather quickly. In cold climates, your range absolutely plummets. At $90k+ just for something to haul yourself and passengers around, it's a significantly total higher cost than an ICE vehicle. The Lightening's are just toys for wealthy people.
The lighting is a first generation electric truck. There will be better. But someone had to make the first ones.
Ford quality has declined so fast. All American made manufacturers now produce absolute trash. Green Energy is the biggest scam btw.
How about the towing, when you tow with these trucks it cuts mileage in half
I don't think people grasp how big a competitive gap Tesla's charging network offers for their competitors. Also, it surprises me how many manufacturers of EV's with big battery packs are not looking at a 800V charging option.
i think the real problem is they care to much about margins/profits that they arent going for faster charging speeds.
You know, I seem to recall that when elon was questioned about teslas going to 800v, he said that all vehicles “for the foreseeable future” would use the existing ~400v architecture. And as far as I know, they still do to this day.
@@jacobcarlson4010 next gen vehicle refresh is coming out this month, same with the cyber truck shortly im willing to bet its over 250kw how fast well have to wait and see
That's my thing people need to realize. Tesla is way ahead of the game in the charging stations. You sell your truck 6 months after because you feel like you can't charge It properly you should have anticipated that
@@reliev33
During tesla semi truck release elon mentioned cybertruck was planned to be compatible with 1Megawatt charging, same as the semi.
Yeah, my 2022 transit connect software is buggy as hell. No improvement over my 2014 connect! Super frustrating. Still love the car though!
Obviously the Viking hasn’t been here to the United States where Tesla’s chargers are backed up for hours and the other fast chargers have happy ford, Chevy and Nissan owners chatting about being thankful they don’t have to wait three hours to charge. Sometime interoperability is just interoperability.
Many sold it with the lower purchase price is selling to make money. I'm looking at the used Lightning sell in my area, and they are way expensive. Some are over their MSRP price when new. If you got the top trim, then it be hard to get a higher price. The lower price F150 Lightning, people are trying to flip a lot.
Prayers for you and your wife.
Also towing towing towing ... wich is often why people buy trucks and towing range also exaggerates a slow charging issue.
EV depreciation is massive - collosal infact. People are relucant to buy second hand EV's mainly because of unknown battery condition. You pay an absolute fortune for the vehicle, and in 3 years (if you keep it that long), you can see a 70% or more drop in value. It's a very big problem in the UK right now - EV depreciation is 3x that of a petrol car.
My wife drives a 2013 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (200k miles), and l drive a 2012 Jeep Liberty🗽
(150k miles). Rebuilt transmission, new water pump, new radiator and the truck is in new condition. Good old vehicles!
A year into public EV charging in the Southwest USA my advise is charge late at night or early morning to avoid lines. Even with the big TESLA charging centers. Middle of the night charging is ideal from my experiences. Power companies out here only pay Musk 8 cents per excess KW his solar EV charging stations put into the grid. Instead, selling excess KW's to FORD owners at 49 Cents per KW is all about business.
have any of the ev trucks prove that can tow or even carry the weight a gas or diesel truck can without having to find a charger ever 4 hours???
Electric pickups can be a better choice for heavy in box loads. Rolling friction is low and regenerative braking makes accelerating and stopping the load cancel out. Towing is a problem because the efficiency of the truck design is only 1/2 the problem. Charging every 4 hours is not a bad thing if it is done in a reasonable time. 800V and 1000V batteries and charging will help make that real. 4 hours is ARGUABLY at the limit of what one should drive without a break anyway. Keep in mind that we are in early times for the electrified vehicles and charging network.
Prayers are with her!
I have a 2019 Mustang GT convertible with Sync 3. Works perfectly.
Unless they do something about towing and the range dropping in half
electric pick up trucks are limited to "Gentleman's" trucks - for show and not work
which is a tiny market
3:21 It won't take that long to charge because you only need enough charge to get you to the next Supercharger site... which are everywhere. As an EV enthusiast you should know that. Having to do long charge times might be true because of their relative scarcity (especially finding one in working condition) but not Tesla's network.
If I knew the NC and SC Superchargers were going to be open to Ford's, I would buy a Lighting tomorrow. I would prefer a traditional work truck over the Cybertruck. I just don't think the Cybertruck will be suited for a work truck.
I own. F150 lightning and love it daily drive to work an in town perfect. I like not filling it up and plug it in at home.
That buyer may have actually lost more like $15K because he paid sales or ad valorem tax of about 8% on the sale. Then he’ll be paying that tax again on his new vehicle, so maybe 20K or more due to buying and selling and buying in a short time period.
Wouldn't the 8% tax here initially paid be reflected in the sales price of his used vehicle?
Shoulda just waited for the Cyber Truck...
@@sigma_six , especially if he didn't need a vehicle over the intervening period... The vehicle which doesn' exist on the market, helps nobody. ha ha ha .
(EVs are still generally for people commute regular distances and charge at home, otherwide mustn't mind waiting. - a non produced vehicle is no different)
@@connclissmann6514 Depends on the state and how he handles the sale. In my state cars and trucks are classed different, the tax from one will not apply to the other when traded in.
@@connclissmann6514 Yeah, could be; it's not specified. $88K sounds more like the sales price before tax at about six months ago.
Just trying to point out that it's good to keep the taxes in mind when purchasing if you might not like the vehicle and want to swap it for something else in a short time frame.
My Cadillac Lyric AWD will have a 19KWh onboard charger (optioned in - whether I use it or not).
I own a Ford Lightning Pro SR. It was fully loaded (for the trim level) and I paid 55K for it.
I've never used a public fast charger, and I never intend to. My wife drives an old ICE Escalade that can do anything lightning can not do. I have not yet had any reason to use it - but I don't road-trip often.
I have experienced 1-2 software glitches in 6000 miles, the most serious of which are with the infotainment - which has required me to power cycle the unit (turn off car, open door, wait for 5s, close door, turn on car). Not a big deal.
The truck works well as a short-range hauler/tower, family car, and is incredibly fast in a straight line.
Talked to Rivian owner yesterday and that is garbage too. He gets 1/2 the range pulling something. In short, only buy a Tesla...Biggest hidden secret of the world
Sam it’s worse than that, most charging stations don’t even work with this junk truck.
imagine owning a company with 20 of these and now realizing, shit it charges too slow.
The Lightning's charging speed is just fine.
Charging stations even in my little town always seem to have a waiting line. There needs to be more of them.
I own a lightning. Ive never charge for over an hour. 20%-80% is usually 35-45 minutes.
And I can fill my ICE vehicle and be back on the road in 8 minutes and travel 820 kilometres !!!
Just confirms to me that pickups are not optimal BEV space.
This is such a compromise matter I wonder if we have given pause to consider what EVs can really mean in this regard. Who stole the narrative around this issue? If it were an ICE vehicle then there would be uproar or no one would buy one, full stop. Physics and maths are not amenable to compromise, and if the numbers don’t add up, you will save yourself a lot of heart ache by not buying an EV truck. If recharging is the real issue here, then keep in mind that all load lugging EV transports need calculation gymnastics and logistic considerations before you buy. How rear vision and tedious can an issue get?
If you drive long distances and with payloads or trailers in toe for business then you will need fast recharging to save time wherever you are. Time is money. If high RC is not available then you are screwed. You cannot wish the issue away. If its for a pleasure trip then it may possibly end up in frustration over recharging delays as well. With a battery pack this big you will need rapid charging at the fastest rate, so you can be on your way ASAP, the maths do not lie.
Because a manufacturer is losing money on each one does not equate to a really good deal. You can’t buy time with a ‘good’ deal when you are stuck for 3-4 hours trying to recharge your EV, and you miss a paying connection down the road. That won’t do.
The next version of the Ford F150 Lightning may make claims of faster charging but that doesn't mean you'll actually get it (well, at the speed that it needs to be). Ford should just develop a version of the F150 Lightning that is battery swapping compatible and just license a "customized version for trucks" from Nio since the Mustang Mach E is already sharing Nio car charging infrastructure in China thru a state agreement. So its not like they are strangers to each other. Ford already is in a partner ship with CATL I believe. Battery packs for electric trucks are huge and swapping seems to make a lot of sense. Ford could install a truck battery swap facility at some dealerships. But you could still charge the slow way (cable) if you wanted to.
As a European I never realized that so many folks in the US work in the construction business. 😉
You know nothing, John Snow!
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192 Who?
Here in the SW U S , illegals from Mexico do most of the work. In many places they are the remaining skilled labor force that knows what they are doing.
Just in the commercials
Lots more tow stuff. Big country you know.
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I saw the video and most of his reasons were pretty generic. The one thing I never heard him mention in that particular video or some of his previous videos about the truck was the Ford Charge Station Pro charger for home. He said he has the extended battery so that should have been included. It’s an 80 amp charger. He could have charged in off peak hours at night with no problems. So if he never had it installed, I’d have to wonder if he actually meant to keep it in the first place. 7 months is a long time to be paying at public chargers with that size battery. I hope he didn’t buy it to flip it. That’s on him if it didn’t work out the way he planned. It sounded to me like he’s probably put in orders for everything to make content when he gets whatever comes through.
To me personally a lot of these companies rushed the trucks out to hurry up and try to beat the Tesla cyber truck so that’s why the products are not that great test is taken. It’s time to bring out the best thing you’ve ever seen in your life. What do you want fast food or correct food?
It’s sad to hear that the F 150 takes so long to charge. I’m wondering if the Tesla chargers will be faster. Also, I will be praying for your wife. I hope her cancer scans show improvement.
The fastest charging is gasoline! 7min or less! 😂
It's physically impossible for Lightning to use a Supercharger. Cord is 10 ft too short. If you pull in, it's on the wrong side of the vehicle. Couldn't have picked a worse location for chargeport.
Ford knew exactly what they were doing, when cheap-ing out on the slow internal chargers for their vehicles. "But, we have bi-directional charging! You can run your house off your Ford EV!"
It does. Kept my sump pump running after heavy rains and the power went out. Saved my basement from potentially flooding
It's always good when you have a back up..
A fire extinguisher is good to have and not need it vs need it and not have it.
I think when they were designing it they wanted it built fast to the market and used tech that was available up to a certain time and knew that the price would be a lot. Reminds me of the Webb Space Telescope, the camera by time it was launched was old and obsolete, but that's what they designed at the time it was approved.
This will be like the changes from the first iPhone to the newer iPhones in the next few years
The 80A home charging is fast enough.
@@TheViewFromUpHere 24A is fast enough for my Lightning.
Thats the problem with electric cars. When you have to charge away from home wastes time. When it add it up it becomes a lot of time just sitting there and charging
Praying for you and your family
Hope the treatments bear fruit and remission of your wife’s cancer
Best wishes for all of you 😊
I own 2021 Ford F 150 Powerboost. That the 3.5 twin turbo hybrid. I Do tow a trailer about 50% of the time and I live in the mountains! There is currently NO EV P/U by any manufacturer that meets my needs on a daily basis! I guess I have been lucky both on initial build quality and regarding recalls because this truck has never let me down! Gets 8 -12 mpg towing, usually 8 the way I have to load truck and trailer (always near 10,000 lbs. on trailer). Truck with no trailer attached is currently averaging 22.8 mpg (I drive 80 mph). And occasionally I just use it around town where it averages about 25 mpg! Amazing! Speed limits around town are ridiculously slow so engine rarely turns on!
Now… the Ford P.A.S.S. App….IT sucks! No need or reason to sugar coat it! It is absolutely unreliable, unnerving delays, totally inconsistent! To the point I very rarely even think of it anymore! In fact I hadn’t thought of it in months… until I watched your presentation on UA-cam! Hope this helps! Have a great day!
Production of the All new lightening is scheduled for 2025. Some teasers online already.
And by that time the cyber truck will be getting a lot of truck buyers.
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192 😂 wasn’t that supposed to come 5 years ago?
Electric Trucks offer the one thing that most EV cars don't: SPACE.
They are bigger, larger, more spacious and carry more cargo.
But road trips and towing are a NO NO for these things as the electric range dips considerably.
I disagree completely on people jumping from their gasoline or diesel trucks quickly as better ev’s come out. As a 40 year truck owner using mine for work and camping which is an electric trucks biggest problem. Example: we towed are 7500 lb Rv with 1000 lbs in bed of truck 3000 miles and because I have a diesel we have a 43 gallon tank in bed which afforded us to only stop 4 times during the trip….. how many stops would an electric truck need , I’m guessing 30-35 times , doesn’t sound like a fun trip to me. Besides pulling a pickup owner away from his gasoline powered one won’t be easy, I bet you see a lot of used lightnings for sale as reality sets in.
Mach E GT Performance owner here: The key thing is to have something else to do while charging: shopping, eating, etc. I am surprised how fast time goes by while my car is charging if I am otherwise occupied. Many times I have passed my target of 80, 90 or 95% by the time I get back to my car. I did wait once and it did feel like a long time but it was not long enough for a decent nap. I am lucky to be in the Northeast (D.C. to Boston) where there are a lot of chargers around and soon many more once Tesla's are available. yes there are a few key areas, especially in city centers (i.e. - Boston) where they are far apart but that is disappearing fast. The route from NYC to Chicago was an issue for Indiana with two of the rest stops there with only Superchargers (Ohio rest stops also have Electrify America chargers) but with having to put off my trip until next year the situation will now be better.
@crassgop And deal with all the maintenance issues and expenses that come along with it, even with rock solid reliable cars. Never again.
What happened to the 40k lightning work truck?
How long to we project it will take to charge the Cybertruck from 20% to 80%......like we've seen with the Lightning?
There is no Cybertruck
Best wishes to you and the Family Sam 💗
Thanks so much
SAM! 💛 LOVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. I could hope to meet you one day, perhaps one of the Electrified events. God bless you guys!
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I was totally in at buying a Lightning starting at the $40k price point. My build out was $56k as of last summer. Just had to wait for my invite to order which just came a few weeks ago. However after seeing the price on my build out go up $20k I said forget it.
Would I still love to own the Lightning? Yes of course.. but not at over $70k for the limitations you get with a Lightning. Now I don't knock the vehicle one bit!.. it is what it is. If it fits yur need it fits yur need. But at some point the pay to play vs capabilities ratio must make one take serious notice. For me there was little I can't do with my newly bought EV6 Wind that I could do with the Lightning.. gain alot extra range.. and save a ton of cash.
For someone to say this price hike Ford put on the Lightning in only a few months still makes it a decent buy.. I'm not sure how that can be. I'm not sure how one can say they're still losing money on them.. yur not selling an EV to make yur invest back today. Yur building your investment to expand the business and keep your customer base.. or gain new. If you have to make yur investment back today then everyone is losing money. This has been explained before.. there's good debt and bad debt. Paying yur Ceo millions of dollars for virtually doing nothing and then telling me yur company isn't making money is completely laughable! You deserve to not make money if that's the case!
Until legacy America figures this out my next EV might be built outside America as well.
Spot on. At $40k or $50k it’s not a terrible deal but not at $70k or $90k for platinum. Lol
@@SlavGuns right! Cause if yur building $70k-$100k pickup trucks I can assure you you're not building them for everyday working class.. yur building them for people that want the look of a truck but really don't need a truck.
I am looking forward to some other vehicles in the works! Canoe was another manufacturer Sam did a video on that was pretty cool.. looked very functional for someone that needed a work van type of vehicle. Don't recall the price off hand... but as we've said before, competition is good! So Ford can keep their Lightning!! Lol! I'll wait for something else if I really need an EV truck. Lol! So far I'm loving my EV6! Lol
Best wishes for your family.
I have a Ford Mustang Mach E. The software is horrible. My rear hatch will not close automatically. It just beeps and doesn’t go down. The dealer couldn’t fix it so I have to close it manually. What a joke!
Lets hope "Ford Model E" does better.
The day I drove my lightning off the lot I could have sold it for $30k more than I paid for it. I've never regretted not selling it.
I don't see pickup trucks depreciating as fast as cars will. The lack of towing range will keep Ice pickups in demand.
Bigger pack shouldn't be much slower to charge with decent charger if everything is done properly. Charger limits charge rate at beginning, but on the other hand, pack allows bigger current when closer to full.
F150 seems to throttle speed to 100-120kw after small time. That's bad battery pack design, not too big battery. It's the same as model3 charging 60kw.
A bigger pack at a given charging rate will obviously take longer to get to 80% than a smaller one. Common sense 😅
@@chrispapanastasopoulos9192 Except when charge rate is being limited by cells/pack, which is typically always the case. Same cells can be charged exactly same time independent on battery pack size if cooling is good enough and enough current is available.
If you use common sense, widen your thinking.
In F150 lightening, charging C-rating is extremely poor. That's because the poor design or lack of battery knowledge.
With same C-rating than model 3, F150 should be able to bottom 350kw charger but still maximum is about 160kw and after 10min, it drops between 100-140kw.
The Cybertruck will be a good reason. Once they see one in person.
That's not very much depreciation for a new car, but seems a lot in the presence of a long waiting list for the vehicle. Remembering not so long ago when used Model 3s and Ys could beat new prices, because of long lists and price increases.
Electric cars are junk
I'd be really surprised, if the upcoming NACS equipped models don't support the 250kWh mode of the Super Charger network.
Until there is a massive upgrade in battery tech I would never recommend electric over oil. The Energy efficiency is not even comparable. We may get there in time but it is not now.
All the best fortune and hope and pray for best news regarding your wife.
This is a good lesson in "marketing psychology" (Rivian no different) and why Tesla has had for the first time an advantage as the incumbent pure BEV player namely this time Tesla could *AT LAST* baseline a product ("Cybertruck") against both a known incumbent (Ford) and a known Next Tesla (Rivian) in a market Tesla was going to enter no matter what ("fin de siecle"?) Either way Ford has wisely teamed up with Tesla joining with their Tesla Charging System which has been great news for both Ford and Tesla as they both plus Rivian enter full on the Commercial Vehicle Market using pure BEV no ICE Platform USA.
Ford as with Rivian produces an all electric delivery Van needs noting and since Tesla does not do this nor does Tesla have a US Postal Service contract which Ford Motor Company does have now (Kansas City...a massive production Facility I might add) this relationship helps out both Ford and Tesla greatly and I would argue Rivian Amazon as well. Either way I agree as F150 Lightning start trying to post up against still eminent not imminent Cybertruck there is nervousness of course as no one really knows what Cybertruck pricing will start at upon North America let alone what one gets for that price.
To Ford's credit they did build a *HUGE* truck that looks good but yes you're absolutely correct until Cybertruck shows up hard to know what to expect other than the usual Advantage Tesla of course. Honda sales from goodcarbadcar.net off the charts higher to start 2023 is worth checking out imo.
My problem with these rapid chargers is it destroys battery life. They're definitely not going to last long rapid charging.
To build a BEV and not having some way to charge it is just crazy.
Yeah, thank goodness Tesla has figured it out. I have a Model 3 Performance and it's amazing. I've tried using the Charge America stations and on more than 2/3rds of the time I can't charge because of a "network error" or it is just broken. I have never once in my life had a Tesla charger not work.
That's exactly why Tesla has built its own charging network. Musk saw the complete picture, unlike the legacy ICE carmakers.
Not crazy..but craps traps
Covid era we paid over MSRP and over paid housing/rent. Things are normalizing. Many cars below msrp
Many people walking away from vehicles as overpaid covid era
My F-150 Lariat extended range has never taken over 45 minute to charge from 20% to 80%. Driving the battery pack down to 20% is after about 3 to 3.5 hours of driving. After that long in the truck I need to do human things like eat, pee, stretch. It usually takes me about 45 minutes to do all of those things.
All of the reasons that Jed said were an issue are pretty dumb. I have not had a single software issue. Selling the truck for $80k means that the trucks are not depreciating very quickly. He seemed salty that Ford didn't speak to him about improvements and I don't blame them. He doesn't seem like someone who is acting in good faith.
The drag coefficient is a major issue.
The range in extremely cold weather at highway speeds makes them useless as well.
Depreciation losses are just part of the cost of doing business for car-oriented UA-camrs. The Out of Spec team are forever buying and selling cars. They'll do videos on the buying process, collection, interior reviews, range, charging, long-term ownership, then even on the selling / part-exchange process, and move on to the next car. Jed's no different, he'll have made back that $8000 multiple times over from his various F-150 videos.
People gotta understand that this is the first generation of this truck
NACS is the solution, Ford is switching to the NACS plug in about 18 months. Adapters in about 6 months.
NACS is irrelevant. What is relevant is the reliability of the charging network. Tesla has a reliable charging network in the US. They also have a reliable charging network in Europe, which uses CCS. It's clearly possible to build a reliable charging network regardless of the plug, but almost everyone else is failing.
Ford's dead.
@Dan Sanger ford is using tesla chargers they made a deal now all ford's can use the tesla network
@@lesstevens2370 Yes, I know. But, I'm growing weary of people implying that it's the Tesla plug that makes the network reliable. If you put Tesla plugs on Electrify America stations they wouldn't suddenly become more reliable.
@Dan Sanger it the software and paywalls that's the problem with other none tesla chargers
Mach E has one of the highest lemon law percentages of all Ford products.
Just because Ford loses $20k on every F-150 Lightning it sells does not mean that, at its MSRP, that it is a good deal. Their losses are based on how they guys with the green eyeshades calculate per unit costs. What makes a vehicle at ANY price a "Good Deal" is whether or not it can fulfill its mission; can it do the job that the purchaser expects it to accomplish? If it can't then it's not a good deal at ANY price unless the object is to re-sell it for a profit based on "The Greater Fool Theory". Neither Ford, GM, Sellantis, VW, BMW Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai nor any of the rest are in the EV business because they care one whit about the ecology. They care ONLY about their own economy, the financial fortunes of their own companies and what they must do to keep from being driven into bankruptcy by Tesla and the Chinese.