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To add some perspective, Ford charged my neighbor $8000.00 to replace the rusted out oil pan on his 2 year old diesel F-250. Warranty was denied as Ford said he didn't wash it enough. He was a lifelong Ford customer, also still has a gas F-150. Now he has a day 2 Cybertruck order.
I've seen some crazy stuff, but 8 f---ing thousand dollars for an oil pan?????
WHY would he take it to a dealer?
@@ConstanceCox It was still on warranty and he thought it would be covered. He used to trust Ford.
The Ford corrosion warranty will not cover environmental corrosion...acid rain past 12 months, road salt, hail, windstorm, lightning..etc. Prob needed to wash his under carriage more frequently is all.
@@victorblock3421 They claimed it was because they have to pull the engine to change the oil pan on the F-250 diesel. Crazy stupid design and apparently it was a common problem at the time. Seems now they've switched to a fiber reinforced plastic pan. Go figure.
There's a Tesla battery repair service available from Gruber Motors in Arizona. They say they can open up a non-functional Tesla battery pack, identify which individual cells have failed or are performing poorly, replace them, and then assure the operation of the pack. Apparently it's common to spend $5000 to do this instead of spending $20000 for a new pack. I think lots of similar service companies will pop up to do this, and they'll handle Ford Lightning pickup trucks as well, very soon.
Best to do this after warranty expires.
@@wickham53 Yes, that's what I meant
@@bsaxman2012 You may be right. But never say never. Chances some bright guy will see an opportunity and make it happen. Providing we still see the single cell failures.
Chances are, the rest of the batteries are on the verge of failure also. Which is cheaper $5,000/year or $20,000 for 10 years.
@@stewiesaidthatFound a video not related directly but maybe of interest. If battery technology continues to improve I question if anyone will bother to repair them. Warranties will cover more miles because the failure rate will go down.
ua-cam.com/video/GLubwlYCOq0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SeanMitchell-AllThingsEV
I was at the Ford dealership a couple of days ago and they had one of these trucks there for sale, $127,000 sticker price/shock.
Yeah Ford corporate setting MSRP has little effect on what the dealers charge. Ford is trying to get this under control but there's little they can do.
That goes back to your previous video on what features will make EVs attractive, well these home power walls aren't cheat. If your car can double as an emergency power wall on top of being your car. Well thats a heck of a selling point lol
There are so many battery startups it can make your head spin! If I had a battery pack that needed replacement, I would take it to them first. Not every cell is failing and the pack could probably be reconditioned. If not, it's easily rebuilt with cheaper recycled batteries. The future is bright!
And the lightning battery is modular, so most likely just a single modular will need to be replaced.
I confirmed my F150 Lightning order this week. Ford are now offering the power running boards for an extra $400-500. I have them on my Ram 1500 and love them, so was thrilled to see that option on the Lightning.
Congrats on your new truck.😁
You'll definitely love your lightning. One thing I must say, hopefully you purchased it for local driving and home charging. It's not necessary that the lightning is good for traveling, the problem is our infrastructure. Without working chargers and plenty of them You'll most likely gave what they call range anxiety. I use my platinum local only & charge at home, so even slow charging is just fine.
Here is something nobody seams to notice. Have you seen the promo video for the Lightning going through some muddy water? Muddy water is coming out from behind the headlights 🤣
I wish I could post photos. The Lightning is C$150,000 in the Vancouver Canada area.
The pickup in my driveway was made in 2003 and is still going with no major driver train issues. I seriously doubt batteries are going to last 20 years. EVs just cost more over the long run. That's why I don't believe ICEs are going anywhere anytime soon.
The dealer markup currently in San Diego is $30k …
CA over prices things? Say it's not so!
I wouldn't buy that P.O.S. for the sticker price.
I ordered from Perry Ford National City. No dealer markups there as long as you order and not buy from the lot.
I had heard about the price of these batteries so I looked up the price of the one for my Mach E GT Performance. I was shocked to find it to be "only" $5200-5700. I assume that it is a LFP replacement since it is much cheaper than even the battery that was in my Fusion Hybrid which listed for $7500 (nickle metal hydride). And I have found it cheaper than that from some official Ford suppliers.
Investors missing how Tesla keeps bringing
Down costs
Some sort of universal standard battery would be nice as we see 100’s of brands entering the market
Not going to happen until the energy density goes way up. Then the battery pack will be small enough to not matter.
The haters are going to make a real meal of this and to a great extent, it is a very valid argument.
My F150 is a 2003 Lariat model which makes it 20 years old, and it still has a huge amount of life left. It has always been garaged so the body is 100% and mechanically it feels like it will go on forever. The running costs have been minimal but.... it is a gas-hog of note. (5.4L V8)
The big question is 'How long is the factory warranty?'
Got an idea?
The lightnings battery consists of several individual cells that can be replaced. And with an 8 year 100,000 warranty I expect to see the replacement battery after warranty will be much cheaper. Can you image the number of EV's on the road in 8 years. I drive mine locally and charge to 80-85% using the vehicle's mobile charger. So I expect my battery to last much longer than 8 years. I drive about 150 miles a week so it'll take me a little more than 12 years to put 100,000 miles on it. And even then I may only need a module replaced.
Odds of having a manufacturing fault develop outside the warranty period is infinitessimal. Replacing due to ageing is unlikely as it would be more advantageous to put up with the range loss or sell and replace with new if you need the full range.
There will be battery repair shops in due course (unless Model Y structural pack with that pink foam) where module swap is more realistic and even module refurbish with individual cell replacement. So any discussion about the off the shelf price of a whole pack will be unrealistic and artificially expensive.
We are familiar with how ICE vehicles age but have no idea how EVs age. How common are battery failures? The switch to EVs may have a strong/ harsh economic impact on those of us who can't easily afford a battery replacement. I currently drive a Chevy Bolt daily and kept my old Chevy Cruze for long road trips and back up transportation. I don't believe we fully know what we are getting ourselves into at this point in time.
Once you learn what you were getting in 2022 it will be 2026 and the batteries will have evolved a lot and it won't translate to current market reality
Tesla is in production for 10 years and what they produce today is obviously much better. Sure the communist media searches for any opening to attack Elon Musk but there are plenty of older resales going for good money and they run. Time will tell but at least with Tesla, battery life is looking good.
Think about it this way. Say you get 120K out of you first pack and your truck is still in good condition. For 1/2 the price of a new one you can replace the pack and get another 100 200 300K out of it.
🤣. Picture that same line of questioning but back in 1920s when production model Ts started to show up with regularity. It's so new, those horse less carriages. We just don't know enough about it, I keep my stable with my trusty steed just in case...and ride him when we go travel deep into the prairie.......do you even hear yourself when you talk? Oh no, here come airplanes....same lame argument and unfounded fear.....oh no Jet technology , better stick with my prop it's known...blah blah.
electric vehicles have been around for 100+ years..
Yes I can plug my power tools into a gas vehicle. It's called the PowerBoost and it includes a very strong inverter that allows me to plug in almost anything that runs on electricity. Inverters have been around for many decades. My all gas vehicle has one too.
No sh**. 😂
This is an anti ICE channel what do you expect him to say, plus all the bots here
Pro electric doesn't mean anti-ICE. A car is a tool and every tool has its use case. Saying that ICE cars can't run electric tools is just wrong and doesn't help inform the consumer to make good decisions.
First, let me say I personally hate all ev’s. Next, if they have all they have all this technology to make these ev vehicles, why can’t they come up with some kind of alternator to charge the battery.
@@grantwilks8706 You obviousley don't have a clue about electric vehicles.
The warranty period should be at least the normal number of years Americans keep a car. I think the cost of replacing the battery will will drop and aftermarket batteries will be available at some point and those will also be newer technology. Also keep in mind if it’s just decreased range you can still use the vehicle and just change it more often. If an engine or transmission fails your range drops to zero and stays there until you fix it.
very true , but Battery packs can totally fail not degenerate over time . They should be easily rebuildable , thats what worries me about " Structural battery packs "
@@grahamoldfield3474 I think if it's going to completely fail most of those will happen in the warranty period or degrade to less that 70% (warranty threshold) before it's out of warranty. Tesla cars have been around for over a decade and millions on the road and not many battery failures. Other brands, who knows, not enough stats yet.
@@frankcoffey I agree with TESLA thats one of the reason why I have the stock and will buy more . The problem is GM blamed LG for the battery fires , LG said GM did not use or set up charging as they specified ! . Ford has a bad reputation with warranty claims , so to does VW .
@@frankcoffey Ford does have an 8 year 100,00 mile warranty BUT is it Pro rater warranty ,does it have or will have restriction on say people fast charging as it warns against it as it reduces the battery life . Note Ford warranty their Auto transmissions for 100,000 miles on its ford ranger trucks . Id rather pay for a Transmission ( which can be rebuilt ) than a $28,000 battery once out of Warranty . Engines these days last 200,000 plus miles , at least mine do . I don't think a Ford or GM battery packs will last 200,000 miles , Tesla I think will .
131Kw usable, 144Kw size on extended battery per Munro Live
You think this is bad, the Hummer EV's pack is about 33% bigger and the replacement price likely corresponds.
It would be interesting to learn how much it costs to replace the battery on several EV models. I’m curious how much labor is involved (in $$). Seems like might have to disassemble a lot in order to replace it. The replacement cost on the Lightening has made me leery of buying an EV.
The lightning battery is modular. Maybe 4-5 sections that can be individually replaced. Until the charging infrastructure is brought up to a level where you can depend on the chargers and there's always one available when you need one, I don't believe there'll be that many people taking them on road trips. So with no fast charging, I expect the batteries will last well past the warranty period.
With Nio it is more unlikely that a battery fails because not only dies it get replaced with every swap...the battery of the car gets tested, too.
@@pstoneking3418 thanks, that’s good to know.
The battery should last way longer than all he other parts of the car.... Is covered by 8 year warranty or longer on all EVs I have seen specs of...
Sandy Monroe's company has a UA-cam channel called Monroe live and he has torn apart quite a few Tesla's, Rivian and is doing the Ford Lightning right now. I just watched the video on the lightnings front drive motor
It must have a terrible warranty if it is already expiring. When did they start making them? I’ve never seen one.
Who said it was expiring? The Lightning, like all EVs, have an 8 year/ 100,000 mile warranty on the battery/drive components. The Lightning just came out less than a year ago.
1- battery have warrenty at least 8 years
2- after those 8 years battery will be cheap, rember LCD 50" with price tag 5000$ back then!
3- the whole battery wont break at once, the cells are
4- battery tech & safety nowadays is improving every year instead of years back then!
Two things that stopped me from buying an EV pickup. 1. Pulling trailers and equipment. 2. The range. My truck is the F150. 2020. Toe package. Fully loaded. For tools. Well. The cost of a battery pack in the truck to a battery generator. What's cheaper? I bought my first Is lithium phosphate battery. Around 10,000 life cycles or less. I already have solar. I have a power converter. 5000 watts at 500 amps. Works any of my tools. Question. Can the F150 Lightning but out 500 amps for tools and accessories?
Sam, you can plug in ur tools to a gas powered f150
Ford is in the same boat as kia. Kia is charging 60k Canadian to replace the pack. Both get their batteries from South Korea. However ford will start to build these packs in the states soon and that may reduce the costs
I have never driven the F150 lightning so I have no idea how it drives.
The “Viking” hasn’t driven it neither but he knows it drives well and is very smooth. The “Viking” is psychic.
95% of all American car journalists are bought by the car makers. Most Americans know this.
No matter how bad a car is it always gets a good review… Journalists are also given special press cars, virtually hand built.
Free car for 6 months anyone?
Notice the adds for GM and Ford are aimed at recreational use by rich people not the working person or company / Government fleet . Just imagine when not if they have a spate of battery problems ( or charging caused problems ) that Porshe has . Look at Porshe sales now . Ford has a huge quality problem , more than twice the recall and warranty rate of GM per vehicle . GM may have learnt from the fires and problems over the year withe the " Bolt / Volt " , but i doubt it . The Recession is here and next year you will see a dramatic drop off in sales of cars as unemployment hits middle class and to some extent middle management, this is the marketplace these are aimed at .Think about it house closing are down 28% year over year ( October to october ) and falling . Car sales cratered around the GFC and every other recession . Manufactures then offered HUGE discounts to keep sale from falling off a cliff , but that was not when interest rates were rising like they are now . .
You keep saying American dollars, can you give approx Australian dollars aswell, I know this keeps changing but gives me a good idea what it cost in Australia, thanks
I just got a bolt in August but after hearing this im worried about cost of my battery when out of warranty. i sure hope there will be alot aftermarket options for batteries at that point.
Put what you save in gas and taxes into a savings account, and use some of that if you ever need to pay for a battery replacement. That's what I'm doing. Saved more than £3,500 so far, in 20 months of low mileage driving a Renault Zoe. It has an 8 year battery warranty, so our savings should more than pay for a full battery replacement by then. That said, individual cells can be replaced for very reasonable prices. And we might sell the car before that warranty expires.
I've owned gasoline powered cars which needed major engine work which would have cost more than the value of the car. Swings and roundabouts...
You ain't buying a lightning here forr that price. Around 120k here
4:48 The 2023 F-350 Platinum with the 6.7L diesel lists for $89K USD. The gas version of the F150 Platinum is about $30K less. The manufactures have to get the pricing down for sure for "normal" person to be able to afford it.
$82,705 dollars for the 7.2kW power onboard, which makes it a hybrid with its package and gives the electronic axle. There is a 360 camera and onboard scales. The camera requires a tow package for some unknown reason, and you have to have the max towing package as well. There is also the double moonroof. I added the running boards to the Lightning because you get that on the Platinum, which makes it $98,474. The F-350 Platinum is $87k, but it doesn't have the features of any of the Lightning trims at all. By the way, if you say you do not want some of the features, then you said you do not want a Lightning Platinum. That doesn't change the motors or axle at all on any of the trims. The towing capacity comes from the extended range battery pack having a higher voltage to supply more power to the motors. No, the F-150 Platinum trim is not $30,000 less. It starts at $30,000 less and has almost none of the features in the trim. If you want to complain that the extended range battery pack has an equipment feature attached to it, that would be fair as it extremely changes the pricing on all the trims beyond the battery pack change itself. By the way, no "normal" person is going to buy the Platinum trim on anything. I do not believe that any "normal" person would be buying the extended range battery pack with an equipment group add-on as it changes the price by about $20,000. By the way, everyone keeps saying that range is everything, but the standard battery pack looks fine to me.
This is where the potential benefit of Nio's battery swap solution comes in. Also, I wonder what a damaged battery pack is worth so sell to a recycling centre.
What we don't know currently is what prices will be after the warranty period. Take say Kia at 8 years. 8 years prices will be massively different.
Here's what's going to happen on Kelly Blue Book resale prices of EVs
As the car leaves the battery warranty, the resale value will fall like a rock since the battery is subject to replacement.
Will the F150 extended range drop the $36,000 after the battery warranty?
Who knows but buying a used F150 and knowing that next week I might have to pay $36,000 will make them undesirable compared to an ICE version.
Just you watch the fall...
What happens to the value of an ICE pickup after the engine warranty is gone? ICE engines too can die at any time.
EVs will suffer what is called infant death. All electronics do. Warranty covers this. Once one gets past where that is likely to happen; changes are the EV battery will still have 70% range with 200K or 300K miles on it. At that point some guy buys it who is fine with 70% of the original range.
I priced the lightning on how much it would cost me to put that battery in my house. It made the truck cheap.
Ford will live up to their greatest marketing catch phrase, "Built Ford Tuff", but if they're going to stick with body on frame engineering, they're losing sales to people interested in the total engineering package, maybe the battery packs Ford comes up with can add an engineering bonus to the twin spar truck frame, adding a stout battery pack between the rails would be like frame connectors on steroids.
Prefer you say the price in the lead
scary. though some say the battery pack can be repaired around $5k, I think I will insist on an LFP based car.
Ford doesn’t produce their own batteries to mitigate costs. Going forward that wont work to be competitive.
that's why I think it's wrong for Tesla to make the battery part of the car's structure
Would you happen to know How much it cost to replace Tesla battery?
Never heard anyone mention that anywhere
Around 15,000 the model S up to 20,000.I am holding Tesla stock since 2019.
I know someone that owns Model 3 and has 280,000 and just 15% battery loss.
Idk if you know this, but nowhere in America can you buy a Lightning at MSRP. It's pointless to use that price in discussion. Add 20% minimum.
It's basically a throwaway vehicle. Nobody in their right mind is going to spend that much money for a battery replacement for a vehicle that' they can't retrieve their money back if they sold it.
After the warranty period expires, would having comprehensive insurance coverage pay for the cost of replacing a defective battery?
Just set aside a 10-20 dollars every week and save it for that potential battery issue. Man people forget about saving money can fix a lot issues in life when they crop up.
Insurance companies are in business to make money. You can bet your life that any aftermarket insurance will cost more than replacing the battery yourself.
If it's bought as a work truck with a lot of mileage the savings on gas will be massive.
I'm not going to be spending a penny on replacing my Ford Lightning battery pack--by simply not buying one in the first place. As for range decreasing on both gasoline-powered and electric vehicles, the cure for that is diesel--no noticeable decrease in range even when towing a big load (e,g, ten tons of hay). A diesel restomod 1945 Dodge Power Wagon is looking better all the time.
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What this story, and a previous one about a Polestar battery replacement, says to me is that low cost detachment and replacement of battery packs will quickly become a necessity (and perhaps even a mandated requirement) if EVs are going to deliver on the hope of making our lives better. Risking replacement or repair costs of that order isn't something that can work. If a battery dies and the car owner can't afford to have it replaced then they can only sell the car as scrap and that kills the car market itself because being impoverished/bankrupted as a consequence of a faulty consumer good isn't something that is supposed to follow from the purchase of such a good. This is also not a problem that insurance can fix. Not only because premiums would be astronomical, making car ownership a rich person's game or more likely causing more buyers to forgo purchases or even more likely compelling buyers, in practice, to take the risk of being uninsured. Does that sound like a normal car market to you?
NIO, Vinfast and CATL seem to have given this more thought that others (and absurdly have been criticised for it). Only heavy standardisation - mechanical and electrical - of detachable/replacable battery packs will move things in the right direction and special terms must attach to battery failure, namely, a) the obligation to rapidly replace a failed battery and return a vehicle to normal service, and b) the obligation for the replacement to be zero rated where compensating offset arrangements, for instance, the Vinfast battery 'lease', have been agreed.
this article reads like a commercial fo r the F150.
I kind of is but I did not see any lies. What would you have him say. That electric pickups only tow at 20mph ?
All of these batteries SHOULD be fully modular, isolatable sections able to be pulled where malfunctioning. Fully hot swappable, because we all know the wear is not distributed evenly.
EV companies that were dedicated to that thought about it in the early days and it was soundly rejected. The sacrifices you have to make to do that simply aren't worth it. Every mfg has the odd error during the build process but you don't want that baked into the core design so all they are is errors.
Nope. Better to make great batteries, great thermal & electrical management systems, have great supercharger network. Modules are old hat. Replacement cells even more problematic.
Ford just rushed this to production, it’s a bitza, mostly ICE design.
These early EV vehicles which don't have blade batteries where you can replace the few cells that go bad, will be considered junk in 10 years. They will have near zero resale value, as the battery tech will have been advanced, and the inability to fix them economically will be well known. Some of the Chinese brands have blade batteries, and the GM Ultium system was designed to be more repairable. It's sad that the designers have paid so little attention to repair in this rush to get their products out.
As soon as the vehicles are out of warranty owners will dump them,dealers won’t spend the money to replace a batteries because it will cost to much,and no resale value.
Sometimes we need a new battery
no problem
Quiet? I love my Tesla Model 3, but at highway speeds it is extremely noisy. Wind and tire noise are deafening, especially on concrete.
Had a 2019 version and it’s like you say. Just got a 2022 and much better.
Price (not true cost) is crazy because Ford probably wants to use that for political purposes, but what is the true cost?
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Anyone here know what a Tesla 3 DM battery would cost to replace?
It's $15k as of two days ago. Price is coming down. My car had a warranty issue (just the small 12v battery was replaced) I asked the cost for a main battery and that's what was stated.
@@SkeenDogger Thanks.
Just like the toys, spent batteriies make many items disposable with bad consequences.
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NIO Battery Swap Technic solves this problem. Battery Car Separation. NIO SwapNGo RoRo.
If the battery is from LG chem, then that is the problem
Charging to 80% means cutting the range by 20%. I suppose this is not a problem for most trips.
Also, charging to 100% you lose your regenerative breaking..
There is another HUGE elephant in the room which everyone conveniently forgets/ignores.
The charging infrastructure is miniscule compared to the number of gas stations.
What this means in reality is that unlike when you are driving a gas-powered car where you start looking for a filling station when you have about 50 miles of range left, you can't do that in an EV. You are limited to where there is a charging station WITHIN YOUR RANGE. In practice you may be compelled to recharge you EV when you may still have 50% (or more) of your range left due to the location of charging stations on your route. This will eventually improve as charging stations become more plentiful but for now, this is still not the case.
When going on longer trips, you would simply charge to 100% state-of-charge (SOC) before you take off. Additionally, on your longer trips, you would "plan" in advance to coordinate your pit-stops for a bite to eat, etc., with recharging stops. Software built-in/onboard or on your cell phone (e.g., "A Better Route Planner") would help you plan your pit-stops accordingly, to very simply minimize time spent recharging, while minimizing the cost to recharge, effectively managing your battery's SOC by setting a minimum and maximum SOC to best achieve your objectives, including the objective of maximizing your battery's durability/life.
@@robhawthorne6892 Generally, any battery will utilize its "surface" charge first, when it is first called upon to power the vehicle's acceleration, and this surface charge capacity is readily available for storing the energy from regen braking. So, you should not lose the regen braking energy in most cases. However, if you are starting at the top of a hill, then it's wise not to have charged to 100% (e.g. charging instead to 80% or 90% might be best in this case), so your battery can most readily adsorb the regen braking energy on the downslope. Likewise, you might do best for braking energy recovery to charge to 80% as a rule, rather than 100%, unless you are heading out on a longer trip (that doesn't start high up in the mountains).
@@greggrant4614 You completely miss the point of my comment. It doesn't matter what level you charge to. My Model 3 at 100% charge gives me about 300 miles (they 'claim', but not in reality). No ways can I drive till there is only 50 miles range left and expect to be able to find a 'filling station' as I could if I were driving a gas car. My Tesla tells me where I need to stop and recharge and sometimes, I still have 150 miles (or even more) range left. You would never fill up a gas car on a road trip when it still had over 1/2 tank left. Don't give me the bs about pee break and stretching legs etc. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE - plain and simple! A road trip in an EV requires probably double the number of stops and recharging takes far longer than filling a tank of gas. If you don't have access to Tesla's super-charger network, you run the risk of finding broken chargers so that could leave you in serious trouble.
I own a Tesla and love my car, but I am not blind to the short comings. The other HUGE negative is that they can't tow, or correctly phrased, the projected range is halved when towing even the smallest, lightest trailer. With half the range (whilst towing), this lack of sufficient places to charge becomes a much more serious problem.
Take off your rose-tinted glasses and give honest critique and you will be far more credible. I love EV's but they have some serious drawbacks.
Again, you mis state facts. Yes, ford sells an F150 hybrid that has 110 power
Vertically challenged people?
$36,000? Karma for those driving Eco-Piggy Pickup Trucks, either ICE or EV. Those who drive unstable vehicles that use up WAY TO MUCH of the world's resources. Get a trailer.
So used electrics will be underwater to begin with.
Tesla charges 25-30k for a battery pack so what's the big deal
How much do you think any electric vehicle will be worth in 8 years? Zero! The battery will cost more to replace than the vehicle is worth.
Mental note made……… when smuggling cocaine stored in frunk……..::::
Too expensive!!!
And this is why you think EV's will make gas cars die within 7 years?
EV companies need to perfect interchangeable batteries so you can keep a car you love and easily pop in a new battery with longer range five years after you buy it
Paid schillery
A base model truck for $50k. That’s before added dealer markup. Ridiculous! Boy, you’re pushing electric like you’re possessed.
Cheaper than a similarly optioned base xl awd ice crew cab so no it isn't ridiculous at all. Ad the $7,500 tax credit, cheaper tco and any local or state incentives and the lightning pro is a SMOKING good deal. 😎
dead car rolling
battery ev's, are NOT the future.(electric probably, just not batteries in their current form) imagen telling someone that filling up their 20gal gass tank to only 80% will make the engen last longer when you paid extra (like 10k) for the larger tank. thats what you are saying.
Imagine battery tech is evolving like the engine has for the last a hundred year
Duh, that's just it, they've 'been' trying to 10 forevers!!
There's batteries in the pyramids!
⛽will always be the best battery.
@@nguyep4 but it hasent,tho.. the FIRST cars (circa late 1800's) were electric using lead acid batteries battery tech has only advanced in the last ~20 years and if we actually have a wwIII with nukes electrical infrastructure will be decimated and we will be back to using steam power. as modern gasoline and diesel engens cant run without a computer.
What does it cost to replace a structural battery pack? A whole new vehicle?
Pretty much
Structural batteries unbolt all the same, it’s just integral to the overall structure.
@@icosthop9998 msrp is $35,900 for the bigger battery … warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles.
There are vids out there showing how a Tesla with a structural battery pack is assembled.
It is way faster than changing most ICE engines (VW bug faster)
EDIT: Sandy Monroe pulled one on his channel
Why are you even asking that question? If you have been following the majority of channels you would have that answer already...meaning your a troll or live under a rock.
I have said this before but the only EVs that actually make any sense at all are powered directly off the grid and carry more than ten people. And if personal transport needs to be electric it should be no bigger than a classic mini and have fast swap batteries that have between thirty and fifty miles of range and only used in cities.
Tesla’s and anything like the F150 lightning are an offensive waste of materials and a virtue signalling wank.
Carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas until it exceeds ten percent of the atmosphere so stop wasting everyone’s time and scaring gullible fools into thinking it’s going to end the planet.
The actual greatest danger the planet faces is nuclear war and climate alarm makes nuclear war thousands of times more likely to occur in the next ten years than any claimed climate catastrophe.
The battery cost over half the price of the vehicle! Re sale value plummeting….
Bad batteries are the exception. Suppose you find one in nice shape with a bad battery and buy it quite cheap. Pay 1/2 price of a new one and put in a new battery. For about 1/2 the price you have essentially a new truck.
@@danharold3087 I would suggest looking at it from the buyer perspective. It’s a bad investment. Plus many of these companies will fail so no battery no software upgrades to keep it running.
@@nordlandak6853 Buy a Tesla. For a while used ones went up in value. Nobody seems to be talking that people are figuring out how to repair battery packs. Guruber Motors (sp?) comes to mind. Last I seen he was mostly working on roadster batteries. Few or the others have failed.
But yeah I would not buy one of EVs from a company not making money on the car. That is everyone but Tesla. As soon as the other companies get to where they can make a profit Tesla can drop the price and they will have to follow putting them in the red. I don't know that Tesla will but it could.
@@nordlandak6853 Been thinking about "no software upgrades". Unless the car company goes belly up prior to getting the software stable that should not be a problem. Once the software works it should stay working. But I'd still rather bet on a Tesla. On the same note ICE vehicles may become a bad investment. High fuel prices and a lack of spare parts. Cost of repair. It cuts both ways. We are at a crossroad. If we can get affordable EVs it could be all but over for ICE. There is that potential battery supply thing. Looks like we will be somewhat short for about 5 or 10 years then look for an oversupply. 5 year gap is because government permitting is a nightmare.
Too funny -- GEE WHIZ will the liberal media ever carry any of this ⁉
Media is corporate. Corporate America leans right. Media companies aren't trying to raise taxes on their owners. 3/4 of billionaire $ in politics goes to RepubliCONs. Think about it 😉
Neither fox or cnn will care. Ford pays with advertising dollars to keep small news like this out of the spot light.
@@ryankibler7973 NOT in USA my friend, Media here is F___ing PC leftist GARBAGE. PERIOD....
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My cousin ownes a rural dylthium mining asteroid, I'm sure they can hook you up with some.
@@williamgrunzweig571 I'll send my space-time coordinates to him.
Way too many disadvantages of owning an EV (for now) . Heavier, costlier, charging time , limited infrastructure , power grid and so on. I always wonder what makes people buy these EVs? Just to be part of a trend why everyone else enjoys the freedom of traveling wherever they want without keeping the eyes on range . I've driving EVs for 4 years at my former company. Drives great that's it. I always kept an eye on battery range as soon as you get on the freeway the battery drains quickly. This can't be the future .
🤣. Your funny. Cause nobody ever looks at their gas and speed gauges in an ice vehicle regularly while driving.....ookkaayy. Try this.... program your destination into your Tesla and it routes you accordingly to charges so you don't have to keep looking at it...just saying. Normal day to day driving won't need it..duhhh. Point of note...your ICE will not do that while your navigation on board is running while driving with a programmed destination in place..just saying. Try again.
@@williamgrunzweig571 first of all not everyone can afford a Tesla so I don't know in what bubble you live in. While you're busy programming your Tesla I'm already 5 lights away . Once in a while I check on my gas gauge and when I feel like putting gas in it I just do it literally at every corner. 5 minutes later I'm gone without taking any detours to reach a charging stations. That alone gives me so much more freedom. I don't have to do logistics. I can even go on sudden long road trips without the thought of wishing to have an ICE car. The vast majority of drivers don't fall for that bs like I said I have my 4 year experience with EV and someone like you telling me that EVs make things easier and cheaper is just delusional or simply a liar. Nice try though
Doesn’t Ford use pouch batteries from LG? They are trash.
Sk innovation cells from the commerce GA plant supplies all the lightning pack's.
Another reason not to buy EV
It looks like a truck, can be accessorized like a truck, isn’t embarrassing for an adult to drive and has dealerships everywhere.
Cannot drive anywhere and the cops cN turn off your vehicle