@@ReggaeDragon22 wonder if they are splitting the markup with a customer. Letting someone order the truck and then paying $10k when the truck comes in.
@@Dularr could be. It was strange because I just went to the dealer site and clicked on the inventory and they showed they had 8 available. Which I thought was super strange.
This exact truck now retails for $87,619 this includes destination charges. Which also means if you have it on order and it will be delivered in 2023 you will not get the $7500 tax credit as it phases out over 80k after 12/31/2022
Took an Uber in Maui who had an F150 Electric, for 15 mins I asked a million questions, cool ride. Glad more evs out there. Still want air suspension next so not for me
$80k for ANY truck is just painful. I'd like a 4 door, 8 foot bed, but with minimal bells and whistles. For the electric, I can see a premium, but regardless, it's just crazy just how expensive all trucks by all makers are.
Reserved a lightning June 13th 2021, still haven’t even got to place my order. The price is now significantly higher, probably gonna cancel the reservation at this point
The efficiency of the vehicle and the size of the battery make for an interesting comparison for EVs. Tesla pretty much leads the way. It will be very interesting to see the range and efficiency of the Cybertruck. If it's really good, they Tesla will really benefit. Tesla surprised us with Semi efficiency so we will see with the Cybertruck.
Hey, you didn't show us the back seat! The 2nd row is the only reason I want to buy a full sized truck vs. mid or compact. It needs to have enough space behind the front seats to comfortably keep a cooler there full time. I am in Texas & Sun & heat are intense here. A Van doesn't give me the utility I need from a bed.
Only chance ford has to stay alive is grab a slice of the EV market and the pickup is their best shot. I like the Mach-e too but Ford is best known for their trucks. Its going to be interesting to see how the next few years playout. All i know is whoever can make an AFFORDABLE pickup with more range than we have today, and that doesn't completely drain the battery when towing will make a killing. The problem is nobody has the means of production or supply yet to produce enough at a scale that makes it both profitable for them and affordable for the consumer. Almost there though.
I feel like if this was a Tesla on the Tesla charging network I would buy one. I’ve heard of way too many issues with the non Tesla charge networks. Now that Tesla is opening their charge network that may make this a good option. Not sure on charge times either. That may be the other issue. We are in the market for an F250 right now which is in the same price range. I don’t need the tow capacity really. We have a tundra right now that tows everything we have. Boat, and soon to be travel trailer. It is close to the max of the tundra though. This to me is not a big deal for EVs but for a gas vehicle I’d rather it not be sitting at the max so that’s why we look at the F250. It’s also the reason the EV trucks could work for us but I have too many issues with them still. I really feel like I’d have to keep the tundra for a very small amount of trips. For example if we wanted to take the boat to the mountains that’s about 400miles away. The EV truck would be annoying to use. Same thing with if we wanted to head to the mountains and do some camping with the travel trailer. This just doesn’t work. It’s too much of a hassle. I really want EV to work but it’s just not there yet, for us at least.
I got mine. Its amazing. Sorry Rivian. I kind of wish it was the Red one now lol. Ford does need to catch up to Tesla on the remote App features though. pretty far behind.
I'm excited for an electric truck but I can't buy until range goes up. These sub 300 mile ranges limit 2/3rds of the country. I live with cold winters and tow my travel trailer throughout the Summer. When not towing our interstate speed limits are 80 mph, 85 practically. Sure it's enough for commuting and grocery stores but my trips every other weekend will suffer.
I mostly agree with you. I am a self-employed contractor to be fair. I could make due with 300 mile range, but I’m curious how much range do you think would be enough for those of us that tow and live in colder climates (I’m in upstate New York)
I saw on UA-cam you can tow well over 60 miles round trip with a 5000 pound load. Yes they don’t work in rural America. There’s 5 of them on my local lot trade in. The newness wore off so they traded them in for really useful vehicles
The lightning is definitely not for long distance traveling. If that's what I wanted a truck for, I never would've bought my lightning. I use it locally and charge it at home. For myself, the best f150 that I've ever owned.
People who needs towing should always buy regular trucks. According to Ford, over 80% of F150 customers don’t tow anything so Lightening will do just fine with 300 miles range. Actually anything over 200 is plenty.
Ford Motor Company has recently lost a lawsuit from a vendor that they had doing their software until about 2014. Apparently Ford dropped them claiming they had their own software, but it turns out they basically copied from the vendor they dropped. Ford's general above average recall levels keeps me away from by of their products. It will be interesting to see if GM and Tesla EV trucks truly hit the market next year. Ford ramping up fast now is smart. When ever GM and Tesla get their EV trucks to market, it will take them at least a year to truly ramp up. Happy to see another EV on the market. Especially an EV that seems to useful. Not just an ego machine like the Hummer EV.
Is Tesla even building the CT? Or was it just a publicity stunt? My salesman has a Lightning he says he likes it overall but when it comes to hauling and towing he's extremely disappointed. He has the long range but even hauling a couple 4 wheelers the range drops so dramatically he doesnt use it for that any more and uses his gas truck for towing and hauling
I’m in remodeling and construction business, almost none of our workers tow. F150 is too small to tow anything heavy, supply stores would deliver us lumbers and cements anyway. We all drive trucks to carry smaller items such as kitchen cabinets, plumbing and electrical supplies and tools. This truck is perfect 👍
I hope Ford makes the EV transition as its own company. I have a 2016 F150 Lariat and I like it a lot. It looks a great deal like the Lightning, except there's this big hulking thing in my frunk. My only complain is that the climate control doesn't work very well. It takes a lot of manual adjustment to comfortably heat the cab during the cold Colorado winter.
I have the 2016 Platinum and same issue, the AC just too weak for hot summer days, hopefully Lightening improves or I will be selling it when I get it this month
Prepare for the flood of "It is trash since it can't tow any useful distance!!" Consider that one survey claims that 75% of Pickup owners tow less than once per year on average ("essentially never"). So given the state of batteries in 2022, why not build a battery truck now for this overwhelming percentage of the market?
I'm willing to bet that almost none of the "75% of pick up owners" you refer to can afford this truck. Those that can, do tow their toys and is why I will keep waiting.
Yeah it needs to do "truck things" lol I always commute to the office with an empty trailer for no reason it's a truck.... Truck gang. I finally got my F150 Lightning XLT SR scheduled hoping to get it by the beginning of January
@@theblunden2 1/2 ton for truck things ha ha ha get real.... 1 ton diesel does truck things people who buy 1/2 tons don't buy it to do truck things but uses it for daily commutes and occasionally goes to home depot if you buy a truck to do truck thing most goes for the 1ton
@@lesstevens2370 I know more people that have 1 ton diesel trucks with 6 inch lifts that do less than I do with my 1/2 ton. Get real buddy. Keep being The stereotypical "truck" police
Hi Ben thanks for the review, for three kids (14,12,8) would you say the backseat of the cab of the F150 is better than the Rivian? Or the other way around? Thanks
I was thinking of the Ford Lightning as a future vehicle, but the price seems to be increasing every 3 months. Also, I’m not sold on EV batteries that are raising environment havoc with the mining of and processing of battery materials and the fact that most batteries are coming from China. A recent video indicated that one has to drive at least 60K miles just to break even with net zero on CO2 emissions on EV’s . Plus, I don’t believe the hype being pushed about CO2 being a culprit when it is only 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere. The climate change models cannot reproduce past history regarding planet temperatures. How can one have any confidence that these models can predict the future. EV technology sound wonderful, but I don’t want to have to pay $10K to $15K more for a vehicle with lots of bonus features that I don’t need. Most new EV sedans are now smaller than their ICE predecessors. Perhaps if car manufacturers produced ICE vehicles with lower friction losses, mpg would greatly improve. There needs to be a big reduction in battery weight (higher energy capacity) and fasting charging cycles to make them as convenient as ICE vehicles.
Who wants a vehicle that makes you start looking for a charging station 250 miles, then sit and wait for 39-45 minutes. In cold weather even less, towing, even less. Show me someone who lives in Wyoming or any western state that sings EV praises
Range : There was a test on this truck on youtube with I believe the 300 mile battery option , great truck until you hook a trailer to it. With the truck pulling the trailer the battery was basically dead in approx 80 / 100 miles.
@@johnb4183 150 miles or less is what our workers drive each day to do construction works with couple of trips to supply stores. So 300 miles is more sufficient for us in Los Angeles.
Don’t forget you can tow over 65 miles round trip with a 5000 pound load. There’s 5 lightnings trade ins on my local dealership. They’re not good for anything
It isn't so much about the weight of the trailer as it is about the aerodynamics of the trailer. There are more than 1 video on UA-cam showing the towing capabilities of this truck. You should look them up.
I'm generally a fan but the title is "killing" me. The Cybertruck isn't "alive" therefore how can it be "killed"? Review on its own merits and avoid playing to the lowest common denominator of internet tropes.
Not sure about praising this vehicle. I work at a large bank and I have already started coming across a lot of people getting rid of this truck since it does not hold up to what it promises and the value has dropped on it big time.
Like what examples of this? I haven’t seen anything that would deter me from it for my use case and I’ve watched about every video on internet about it
Good to hear. I would love to pick up a used model at a reasonable price. Have the banks worked out a value chart based upon the percentage of charge remaining on the truck?
Great review! It's great to hear that all that stuff we have come to know and love about f150s have carried forward into the electric version. I like that you drew a fair comparison to rivian r1t. Disappointed that you didn't even mention the elephant in the room: Tesla Cybertruck. Disappointed by your off-handed remark that you could use the Ford to charge "a tesla or something". For that, had to give this video a thumbs down (sorry). I look forward to your next video.
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Great point about the dealer model hurting Ford. I think it is still a big problem. A dealer today quoted me a $29k markup on a standard range Lariat.
Did they have it in stock?
@@Dularr yes they did.
@@ReggaeDragon22 wonder if they are splitting the markup with a customer. Letting someone order the truck and then paying $10k when the truck comes in.
@@Dularr could be. It was strange because I just went to the dealer site and clicked on the inventory and they showed they had 8 available. Which I thought was super strange.
I may be selling mine arriving in 3 weeks, let’s chat
This exact truck now retails for $87,619 this includes destination charges. Which also means if you have it on order and it will be delivered in 2023 you will not get the $7500 tax credit as it phases out over 80k after 12/31/2022
0:12 the volume Ben...
I almost fell off my bike because of the shock
Damn Ben ... you've been workin on them guns since OLF disbanded.... much respect dude !
I drive a 2014 fF-150 and smooth floating is not how I would describe hitting a bump. You hit a small rock and well, enjoy your sudden trip to space.
I'd guess in a version or two they'll run a thermostat and a cooling line around the frunk cubby. Would make it a good refrigerator for surf fishing.
Took an Uber in Maui who had an F150 Electric, for 15 mins I asked a million questions, cool ride. Glad more evs out there. Still want air suspension next so not for me
Good review Ben , probably the best overall ev truck out there , especially for rural america. Has all the bases covered.
$80k for ANY truck is just painful.
I'd like a 4 door, 8 foot bed, but with minimal bells and whistles. For the electric, I can see a premium, but regardless, it's just crazy just how expensive all trucks by all makers are.
The display is still laggy
And will only get worse as it ages. New software updates and add-ons features will only slow it down. Not speed up.
Reserved a lightning June 13th 2021, still haven’t even got to place my order. The price is now significantly higher, probably gonna cancel the reservation at this point
Hang in there…I ordered when it first announced and taking delivery in 3 weeks, delivery by Santa 😆?
The efficiency of the vehicle and the size of the battery make for an interesting comparison for EVs. Tesla pretty much leads the way.
It will be very interesting to see the range and efficiency of the Cybertruck. If it's really good, they Tesla will really benefit. Tesla surprised us with Semi efficiency so we will see with the Cybertruck.
You forgot to talk about the blue cruise. I use it every day when I'm stuck in traffic.
Hey, you didn't show us the back seat! The 2nd row is the only reason I want to buy a full sized truck vs. mid or compact. It needs to have enough space behind the front seats to comfortably keep a cooler there full time. I am in Texas & Sun & heat are intense here. A Van doesn't give me the utility I need from a bed.
Only chance ford has to stay alive is grab a slice of the EV market and the pickup is their best shot. I like the Mach-e too but Ford is best known for their trucks. Its going to be interesting to see how the next few years playout. All i know is whoever can make an AFFORDABLE pickup with more range than we have today, and that doesn't completely drain the battery when towing will make a killing. The problem is nobody has the means of production or supply yet to produce enough at a scale that makes it both profitable for them and affordable for the consumer. Almost there though.
Since, your in San Diego. Doug demou lives down there too.. every thought or got close to meeting up doing stuff
Just interviewed him for the channel a couple weeks ago!
@@BenSullinsOfficial etc.... that is cool. Doug is a busy guy. Congratulations on the opportunity to talk to our doug.
I feel like if this was a Tesla on the Tesla charging network I would buy one. I’ve heard of way too many issues with the non Tesla charge networks. Now that Tesla is opening their charge network that may make this a good option. Not sure on charge times either. That may be the other issue. We are in the market for an F250 right now which is in the same price range. I don’t need the tow capacity really. We have a tundra right now that tows everything we have. Boat, and soon to be travel trailer. It is close to the max of the tundra though. This to me is not a big deal for EVs but for a gas vehicle I’d rather it not be sitting at the max so that’s why we look at the F250. It’s also the reason the EV trucks could work for us but I have too many issues with them still. I really feel like I’d have to keep the tundra for a very small amount of trips. For example if we wanted to take the boat to the mountains that’s about 400miles away. The EV truck would be annoying to use. Same thing with if we wanted to head to the mountains and do some camping with the travel trailer. This just doesn’t work. It’s too much of a hassle. I really want EV to work but it’s just not there yet, for us at least.
I got mine. Its amazing. Sorry Rivian. I kind of wish it was the Red one now lol. Ford does need to catch up to Tesla on the remote App features though. pretty far behind.
Can you go over charging experience for long trips , how long it takes and how reliable are the charging partners ?
I'm excited for an electric truck but I can't buy until range goes up. These sub 300 mile ranges limit 2/3rds of the country. I live with cold winters and tow my travel trailer throughout the Summer. When not towing our interstate speed limits are 80 mph, 85 practically. Sure it's enough for commuting and grocery stores but my trips every other weekend will suffer.
I mostly agree with you. I am a self-employed contractor to be fair. I could make due with 300 mile range, but I’m curious how much range do you think would be enough for those of us that tow and live in colder climates (I’m in upstate New York)
I saw on UA-cam you can tow well over 60 miles round trip with a 5000 pound load. Yes they don’t work in rural America. There’s 5 of them on my local lot trade in. The newness wore off so they traded them in for really useful vehicles
The lightning is definitely not for long distance traveling. If that's what I wanted a truck for, I never would've bought my lightning. I use it locally and charge it at home. For myself, the best f150 that I've ever owned.
People who needs towing should always buy regular trucks. According to Ford, over 80% of F150 customers don’t tow anything so Lightening will do just fine with 300 miles range. Actually anything over 200 is plenty.
@@yosuperyo100 no, no it’s not. You must live in an urban area.
Great video. Thanks
Why the heck do they need to be a fully electric brand... most of the people who buy F-150s can't buy $80,000 trucks
Ford Motor Company has recently lost a lawsuit from a vendor that they had doing their software until about 2014. Apparently Ford dropped them claiming they had their own software, but it turns out they basically copied from the vendor they dropped.
Ford's general above average recall levels keeps me away from by of their products. It will be interesting to see if GM and Tesla EV trucks truly hit the market next year. Ford ramping up fast now is smart. When ever GM and Tesla get their EV trucks to market, it will take them at least a year to truly ramp up.
Happy to see another EV on the market. Especially an EV that seems to useful. Not just an ego machine like the Hummer EV.
What can you haul, or tow with it! I must have missed that.
Do any of these EV trucks have fifth wheel towing options for horse and/or flatbed trailers?
No def not yet. We have awhiles to go. But it’s coming fast. Gas trucks for that application will be king for a while to come.
Is Tesla even building the CT? Or was it just a publicity stunt? My salesman has a Lightning he says he likes it overall but when it comes to hauling and towing he's extremely disappointed. He has the long range but even hauling a couple 4 wheelers the range drops so dramatically he doesnt use it for that any more and uses his gas truck for towing and hauling
Richard Button Pathetic .....uh ? But it has a magic step to get into the bed lol !
For 10% folks who need regular towing, please shop a regular truck, 90% of us will never tow anything in our lives. 😅
@@yosuperyo100 or just dont get a truck at all
I’m in remodeling and construction business, almost none of our workers tow. F150 is too small to tow anything heavy, supply stores would deliver us lumbers and cements anyway. We all drive trucks to carry smaller items such as kitchen cabinets, plumbing and electrical supplies and tools. This truck is perfect 👍
I hope Ford makes the EV transition as its own company. I have a 2016 F150 Lariat and I like it a lot. It looks a great deal like the Lightning, except there's this big hulking thing in my frunk. My only complain is that the climate control doesn't work very well. It takes a lot of manual adjustment to comfortably heat the cab during the cold Colorado winter.
I have the 2016 Platinum and same issue, the AC just too weak for hot summer days, hopefully Lightening improves or I will be selling it when I get it this month
It'd be awesome if there were actually available! But they aren't, or dealers are charging $100k for them. It's awesome.
my neighbor just got his without any markup, hang in there!
I didn’t get any mark up by ordering it online last year and taking delivery in 3 weeks. May be selling it though as I have too many cars
F150 lightning is amazing !
Good job Ford.
Prepare for the flood of "It is trash since it can't tow any useful distance!!"
Consider that one survey claims that 75% of Pickup owners tow less than once per year on average ("essentially never").
So given the state of batteries in 2022, why not build a battery truck now for this overwhelming percentage of the market?
I'm willing to bet that almost none of the "75% of pick up owners" you refer to can afford this truck. Those that can, do tow their toys and is why I will keep waiting.
Yeah it needs to do "truck things" lol I always commute to the office with an empty trailer for no reason it's a truck.... Truck gang. I finally got my F150 Lightning XLT SR scheduled hoping to get it by the beginning of January
@@theblunden2 1/2 ton for truck things ha ha ha get real.... 1 ton diesel does truck things people who buy 1/2 tons don't buy it to do truck things but uses it for daily commutes and occasionally goes to home depot if you buy a truck to do truck thing most goes for the 1ton
@@lesstevens2370 I know more people that have 1 ton diesel trucks with 6 inch lifts that do less than I do with my 1/2 ton. Get real buddy. Keep being The stereotypical "truck" police
Hi Ben thanks for the review, for three kids (14,12,8) would you say the backseat of the cab of the F150 is better than the Rivian? Or the other way around? Thanks
Lightning hands down. It’s a significantly bigger cab, which is why I had it versus my Rivian
Now if you are using the power outlets for welders , tools ect. What does it do to mileage before you need to charge. .?
They have a whole software suite that manages it. Lookup Ford Pro Power Onboards
How about the “brunk “?
Knowing what you know about the CyberTruck now, would you still prefer F-150?
CT vs Lighting yes, would take the lightning. Still Rivian is my favorite tho, just too much fun!
I was thinking of the Ford Lightning as a future vehicle, but the price seems to be increasing every 3 months. Also, I’m not sold on EV batteries that are raising environment havoc with the mining of and processing of battery materials and the fact that most batteries are coming from China. A recent video indicated that one has to drive at least 60K miles just to break even with net zero on CO2 emissions on EV’s . Plus, I don’t believe the hype being pushed about CO2 being a culprit when it is only 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere. The climate change models cannot reproduce past history regarding planet temperatures. How can one have any confidence that these models can predict the future. EV technology sound wonderful, but I don’t want to have to pay $10K to $15K more for a vehicle with lots of bonus features that I don’t need. Most new EV sedans are now smaller than their ICE predecessors. Perhaps if car manufacturers produced ICE vehicles with lower friction losses, mpg would greatly improve. There needs to be a big reduction in battery weight (higher energy capacity) and fasting charging cycles to make them as convenient as ICE vehicles.
Not a killer if you try and tow something. The only killer there is what happens to your range. :(
Most people don’t tow with their F150, over 90%
@@yosuperyo100 Are you serious!? Lol!
@@iamsomewhere yep, in our construction business, not even our workers tow with their trucks. F-150 is not enough for the kind of work we do.
Who wants a vehicle that makes you start looking for a charging station 250 miles, then sit and wait for 39-45 minutes. In cold weather even less, towing, even less. Show me someone who lives in Wyoming or any western state that sings EV praises
Thanks
an Iron jaw would look good on you.
Also the price tag is a lot different
Range : There was a test on this truck on youtube with I believe the 300 mile battery option , great truck until you hook a trailer to it. With the truck pulling the trailer the battery was basically dead in approx 80 / 100 miles.
Over 80% of F150 owners never tow anything in their lives so 300 miles range is more than fine
That 300 miles is light / no trailer.
@@johnb4183 150 miles or less is what our workers drive each day to do construction works with couple of trips to supply stores. So 300 miles is more sufficient for us in Los Angeles.
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Sponsored by Ford :)
I wish!
Don’t forget you can tow over 65 miles round trip with a 5000 pound load. There’s 5 lightnings trade ins on my local dealership. They’re not good for anything
It isn't so much about the weight of the trailer as it is about the aerodynamics of the trailer. There are more than 1 video on UA-cam showing the towing capabilities of this truck. You should look them up.
Funny I see people tow a 30' airstream trailer with the ford and rivian both got over 130 miles
90% of F150 owners don’t have any need for towing
nice parody channel
I'm generally a fan but the title is "killing" me. The Cybertruck isn't "alive" therefore how can it be "killed"? Review on its own merits and avoid playing to the lowest common denominator of internet tropes.
The price leaves me right out of it.
Lol….. wait till you see the cybertruck real prices
Not sure about praising this vehicle. I work at a large bank and I have already started coming across a lot of people getting rid of this truck since it does not hold up to what it promises and the value has dropped on it big time.
Like what examples of this? I haven’t seen anything that would deter me from it for my use case and I’ve watched about every video on internet about it
Good to hear. I would love to pick up a used model at a reasonable price.
Have the banks worked out a value chart based upon the percentage of charge remaining on the truck?
Great to hear, I would gladly take them
Great review! It's great to hear that all that stuff we have come to know and love about f150s have carried forward into the electric version. I like that you drew a fair comparison to rivian r1t. Disappointed that you didn't even mention the elephant in the room: Tesla Cybertruck. Disappointed by your off-handed remark that you could use the Ford to charge "a tesla or something".
For that, had to give this video a thumbs down (sorry).
I look forward to your next video.
Any of the big EV UA-camrs, who have roadsters coming, know better than to act like the CT is a real thing until they're actually in production
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150 000 Canada 🇨🇦
Cybertruck killer 🧐 lol
500 miles cybertruck so i prefer not to buy this truck
Oh man I hope that comes true