I’m Hmong and grew up with an epileptic mother my entire life. I’ve seen her have so many seizures and can confirm she is not the same person right after or even for the rest of day. She will be completely zoned out and in a dazed like state because she is so tired and would not remember anything at all. She would also hallucinate too. One instance that I remember so clearly was her coming out of a seizure while my dad wasn’t home and she kept asking me and my sister when our parents will be back home. I remember being so scared because she was so adamant she was not our mother and she’s just there to watch us. Another time she was convinced she saw people running across our roof and that they shot her in the chest but it was because she had really bad heart burn caused by the seizures. She’s been seizure free for about a year now thanks to modern medicine and she’s a ray of sunshine! She is so happy all the time and it makes my heart so happy! 🥲 However, this story is just sad all around. It’s so heartbreaking. 🥺
Wow, I’ve never been around people with this medical condition, I have never knew any of this were symptoms of seizures, thank you for sharing this, sometimes I don’t approach situations with as much empathy as I should, simply because I don’t understand.
So glad to see someone mention this. I have epilepsy, and for sometimes twenty or more minutes, I'll be out of it after the seizure; my mom took a video to show my doctor a year ago. For 15 minutes, she was speaking to me, but I kept asking where I was, and I'd say, 'Where is my phone,' and even though she was clearly holding my phone videoing me I was asking. I've even taken off clothes the last few years. People don't realize seizures aren't something after a minute it's completely over. I have 'partial' seizures and people think staring off in space isn't a big deal, but I'll be exhausted after and have to sleep.
I also grew up with an epileptic mother but my mom is still relying on medication to live like a normal person day to day. I remember there was once I was in the car alone with my mom and she was driving. She has a seizure while driving and i didn't know how to stop the car, but we're both safe. When she woke up she was calling for her dad and wasn't sure who I was, I called her friend to come get us and send me to college since I still had classes and they sent her home. I wish the technology for epilepsy was better in my country so my mom wouldn't have to rely on medications anymore but she's living her best life rn despite her medical condition
Yeah i'm looking down the right side at some of her other videos and now seeing this may not be my kind of content.. i thought i was reading something incorrectly when I saw "SA until spinal cord exposed." It took me about 15 seconds to put together it wasn't word salad.
@luceatlux7087 I listened to that video and the details of that poor sweet baby's experience were gruesome at best. I couldn't wrap my head around the title, as well. But I do appreciate that Steph covers these cases and brings light to the lives of the victims. I think she does a great job at being respectful and gentle when discussing the victims and their experiences. But, she covers a lot of really horrific things and I can completely understand if some people choose not to expose themselves to those kinds of topics.
The fact that she had a slight lisp when approaching her mom with the baby adds up with biting your tongue during a seizure. That’s one supporting detail that was blown off
@@emmie_lou_whomy brother is severely autistic my dad has to put a spoon in his mouth to keep him from biting his tongue off , so it definitely is a sign of seizures , same as my aunt she has seizures and has a lips or very droopy tone of voice
@@Literally_dangeleeen I didn't say it wasn't a sign of a seizures. I was just making a point that she knowing that this happens when she has a seizure if she was trying to use it as an excuse could have bit her tongue to make it appear like normal when she has one.
I once dated someone who had a grand mal seizure, and when the seizure was over, they took off all their clothes and began fighting the paramedics. He had never had a history of seizures before this event and was not violent. He stated he didn't remember anything until waking up in the hospital.
Same. I have medicine resistant epilepsy. I’m literally on a first name basis with all the paramedics of my small town. They nickname me Rocky because after I have a seizure I am incredibly combative and also unusually strong. Then everything is all normal like 30 min later with no memory.
I had a seizure similar to that in public, apparently I tried to fight everyone trying to help me, i just remember becoming conscious in the street telling the paramedics to get off of me and I don't need any help (which obviously i did) someone stole my backpack with all my school books/assignments/laptop/drawings. This was several years ago.
Please do not promote The Spirit Catches You And You Fall Down. This book was written by a white person who was not intentional in their writing and there are many microaggressive statements made in the book. It is not a respected piece of writing in our community but is still being used by people to learn about our culture. Listen to us and new writings by Hmong doctors and culture professionals. Thank you!
I could actually believe that she did it after a seizure. My husband has them and even in his hazy period, he's up walking around and doing things, including having full conversations. In fact, he had multiple seizures the day we renewed our vows, and couldn't remember most of the day, but he was conscious, talking and participating in the activities. In the past, I watched him have a seizure, come out of it, and then go to the bathroom, wash his hands, open the fridge, and pour himself a glass of water. And any time I talk to him during a postictal state, he's very matter-of-fact, to the point, even-toned.
That's so scary. My mum has a history of driving after seizures and since I mabye therefore have it too, it's another BIG reason not to have children. I could never live with myself if something like that would happen
I mean yh u can get up walk round etc (my sis shat in a bag thinking she was on the loo) but to say she must have dropped her on the space heater in such short time frame I mean 11 mins 5 of them in micro so 6 mins to have a siezure (minus 2 ) come round enough to function (personally mine always take a while ) walk from office to kitchen operate micro then get baby out n go bk to office n since she said she woke on the floor with baby by her means she either had another siezure or lay bk down to wake tht way then get bk up realise baby's not right n go to the kitchen to find her mum again it's not plausible in the time frame
@@millybrati think in this case if she had a seizure it's a question of if she would register the act as violent while in such a state. a lot of people with ADHD have put weird things in the fridge so a young mother accidentally killing her child is horrible but maybe medically she needed more or supervision I'm almost finished the video but I'm trying to figure out the motive to kill your own child, while pregnant in 11 mins ...I don't see a malicious angle without people seeing signs
@@morethanyourbasics i have adhd and sometimes the brainless actions are simply "i have an inkling this object needs to go somewhere." a baby in the microwave to a "concious" person is obviously harmful but to someone like me the baby is the object that needs to be placed somewhere, the microwave. neither are registered as dangerous because they're separate. it was mentioned she could have been trying to warm up a bottle for the baby, meaning she was thinking of both the baby and microwave, so i think it's fair to say a stupor could have caused the misplacement. as for pressing 5 minutes, im sometimes unable to comprehend text or numbers, like when you read a page and realize you forgot to pay attention to it. the 5 button may as well have been a random button. as for why she left the baby in there so long, she passed out didn't she? but even with JUST adhd (comparatively less dangerous) i also forget i'm microwaving a fork until it starts to spark or that i'm mowing the lawn until i run into the fence. the only reason we people with adhd arent forgetting we're driving and running over pedestrians every day is because 1. we hopefully get to have access to medicine but 2. we try our best not to multitask. this is simply impossible for a new mother who's pregnant and whose condition far surpasses adhd.
Reading the comments and testimonies in the video from people with seizures, it really seems likely she didn't do this on purpose. Having three children with no history of harm adds to this
No one in the comments even has said they could have a seizure and then recover enough to pick up the baby, force it into the microwave, turn it on, cook for 5mins, and then get her out of the microwave all WITHIN ten minutes. The time frame is what ruins the probability of a seizure being realistic. Even the expert doctor who has spent his life's work with seizure patients, says it's not possible or not probable at the very least. Even the mother in question isn't saying anything about seizures at first. The only thing she really said was that the baby was tracking something with her eyes and then she mentioned spirits. It seems like she was scared that her daughter was either having a seizure herself or she believed she was possessed and decided to 'save her soul,' by burning her to death the only way she could get away with it in such a short time aka the microwave. It's awful but it appears to be more probable than her being the only person who has that serious of a seizure, then gets her baby shoves it in the microwave, pushes at least 3 buttons, waits the 5mins, takes her out, shuts the door, then goes to the bedroom only to collapse and drop the baby while falling and then ten minutes are up and her mother appears. She wouldn't have to have post partum to do that, just believe she's doing what's best for her daughter
@@smithamy1982many people in the comments have shared their own experiences with them being in a trance or “zombie” state after a seizure and doing odd things. If one of those people had a baby in their hands while getting ready to make a meal, their brain could absolutely mix up tasks and do something horrible. The outcome being the death of a child is the only reason it feels different than any other postictal state action. If she had put her phone in the microwave no one would question it, but because it was her child so many people like you are refusing believe her brain could have misfired that horribly. It’s hard to consider but it is absolutely possible.
@@Elle... Again, your right that people have shared stories of doing strange things, however, not within ten minutes. Since the microwave was on for 5mins and the entire situation happened under eleven minutes minus the five for the cooking, that leaves her minutes to have the seizure, get the baby in and out of the microwave, take it to the bedroom and drop to the floor with the baby and come out of it. People who have shared their experiences are talking about their situation taking hours, even days but not under eleven minutes. Also, she would have had to have the seizure before putting her in the microwave, yet she collapsed with the baby after microwaving her. It typically occurs with the person collapsing while having a seizure, not after at least 6mins of having the seizure, so that's odd as well. It's those details that I can't get passed
Hi Steph Im from South Africa and we could really use your platform to bring justice. The more noise the world makes, the less likely it is for our justice system to fail us. There was a girl from Caledon who attended Overberg Highschool. Her name is Deveney Nel and she was 16. She was murdered on the 7th of August 2024 by another classmate, Francios Brand who is 17. He beat, raped, stabbed and strangled Deveney to death on the school premises during a school sports day. He proceeded to hide her body in a store room where one of the teachers ended up finding her. Francios Brand helped search parties, knowing what her did to her. When he was 13, he raped an 11yr old girl and left her covered in blood with a wire around her neck. He got away with it, no charges or anything. We need someone with a large platform like yours to spread awareness of the femicide happening in South Africa. We want justice for Deveney Nel and all the other women and girls who has suffered at the hands of men. Please Steph. Edit: Between the start of April and the end of June, there were 966 women murdered, and 1644 attempted murders of women. There also has been 314 children murdered and 243 attempted murders. South Africa remains with the highest femicide rate *globally* Enough is enough, so I am pleading to SPEAK ABOUT THIS. No matter how big or small your platforms are, we need to be the voices for those who can't speak up.
When my second child was born my great-grandmother had been diagnosed about a year or so prior with Alzheimer's. She kept asking to keep my daughter. So I just randomly asked her one day where do you heat up a baby's bottle and she said in the bathtub. Then I asked her where do you bathe the baby and she said in the microwave .
That's because of aphasia most likely. So she thinks she is saying the right word cuz the brain is picking the right word but her mouth says a different one.
I'm a midwife in Chile, I had a teacher who told us a story of postpartum psychosis* is, where the new mum lived in the country side and managed chickens for a living, and she genuinely believed that her newborn was a chicken and she needed to kill them for food. In a spare of the moment when no one was looking, she separated the head of the body (un-aliving the bby), she told us this story so we can understand the severity of postpartum psychosis and pp depression
@@danissamedina5755you did very well there if English is not your first language! 😊 What a horrific situation. Obviously, I feel bad for the baby, what a dreadful way to die, but I also feel awful for the Mum. She carried the baby for 9 months and then, due to illness, her baby is gone and her hands are the ones that ended the baby's life (note that I didn't say the Mum was to blame nor did I imply it was the mum's fault, because she isn't to blame, it wasn't her fault). Do you know what happened to the Mum? Was she sent to prison? I hope not. Yes, she killed the baby, but she couldn't help it. Its all just so sad.
I LOVE how you described epilepsy and seizures. I’ve grown up watching my little sister experience seizures since I can remember. She’s had a number of grand mal seizures. I remember in grade school I’d wake up lot early in the morning to the sound of sirens. I’d walk down the stairs to see her on the floor turning purple, convulsing and vomiting before going unconscious while the paramedics surrounded her struggling to help. She takes seizure medication everyday and she doesn’t get those type of seizures anymore but she has TONS of absent seizures every single day. She’ll be in the middle of a conversation or walking then just stop everything she’s doing and she’ll just freeze like a statue while her eyes just look dozed off. They only last a few seconds and if you don’t look closely you won’t even notice that it just happened.
There is no "ppl dont do x y and z" during/after seizures. It is one of the most under researched disorders in medicine and it happens to be very common and with astronomical variables.
you would think after something like this, they would give it more attention... but then, if you're that compromised by a seizure, will someone be able to stick to those rules? If I can't tell if I'm microwaving a baby, I don't know that I'd have the sense to remember "don't use a microwave"...
How bout they just aren't allowed in the kitchen period. Or the appliances are unplugged until they are used and no more leaving her alone with children. No it's not her fault she has seizures but she is responsible for taking precautions to protect her children. There is no need for children to be put in the high stress situation of seeing their parent go through that. And people in postictal phase can become violent if the right triggers are pulled. Sweetest people can get extremely violent. But in this case.....she did this. It's obvious.
@@BuildingFuturesThroughAction As if losing a child isn't enough, you're blaming her for having a medical emergency. Your magical solutions aren't practical and there was no way anyone could've known she was about to have a seizure.
Thank you so much! As a person who has epilepsy, I have been told by non- epileptic people, "that's not a seizure" first off, you can't choke or bite your tongue while having an extreme seizure. Second, everyone is different with seizures and epilepsy. I really appreciate you saying this.
How would someone even know they could microwave their baby like this in the first place? You write that as if it's just something they should have known and protected against 🤦♀️ it is so inconceivable in the first place - would you know to take precautions against microwaving your baby?
As a person with epilepsy I want to thank you for going into detail about the different types of seizures. I have temporal lobe epilepsy with focal motor seizures (including myoclonic jerks), simple partial seizures, and of course temporal seizures in both lobes. Most people I talk to about it have no idea there are more than just grand mal seizures or they don’t know the differences. So thank you for shedding light on the condition. 🙏 The feelings one gets before a seizure are called auras. Each patient experiences different symptoms with each aura.
My sister in law used to have epilepsy (she had brain surgery so she doesn't anymore) but it was pretty severe and she had all of the different kinds of seizures. Before meeting my husband I had no idea there were more than just grand mal, but they have some wild stories about the other ones.
I have silent seizures where I'll zone out and basically clench my fists and teeth and then wake up after a few minutes according to my dad I don't remember them really
I just started watching your videos. The way you explain these stories is like we are friends, sitting out sipping on coffee/tea, and I can feel all the emotions. You express it like you were in the room, like a fly on the wall. Its raw, captivating, and has me waiting for that next sentence.
@@blue_berry18 What she says is true, I think the most heartbreaking part is she died(murdered by his own mother) and how she died with that much pain.
Hi Stephanie, There's a huge rape case going on in France (Mazan Rapes) and going through trial rn. A husband has been drugging and setting up his wife to be raped by more than 80 men. He had more than 20k of illegal recordings of his wife, daughter, stepdaughters and even grandkids. His ex wife wants the shame to change side so could you talk about it ? -It's not a murder but- I think it merits attention. Edit : he's suspected for a murder case from 1991 (strong evidence) Edit 2 : Thank you Stephanie for treating the subject
@TheeGaoSter the worst is that the victim has done everything for the assailants to be exposed but french media don't show any of their faces or names, only hers
@Volfan2 maybe ? But they're on the videos raping the poor lady and still contesting because the husband was here, so "it's not rape" (trying somehow to argue they didn't know it is rape). French media doesn't historically respect the innocence presumption and would publish pictures even against police orders s
This reminded me of the case of a man who got hit with an axe to the head and lost the top part of the brain during the night and he woke up next morning, picked up the newspaper outside, got locked out of the house, found the spare key outside under a rock then he walked in and fell dead to the floor. I think he even did the laundry and served himself breakfast before dying. Edit: found the case! Peter Porco had been attacked in the upstairs bedroom. The medical examiner counted 16 wounds to Peter’s head…wounds consistent with an axe. He had come to and, in what appeared to be a daze, had gotten out of bed and started going about his usual morning routine. He got dressed, walked downstairs, poured himself a bowl of cereal and went outside to get the morning paper. At this point, the front door swung closed behind him so he retrieved the spare key hidden in a flowerpot and let himself back in before, sadly, losing consciousness and bleeding out at the foot of the stairs.
All the defense had to do to rebut the prosecution after the pediatrician’s testimony was to ask them, “did you diagnose her as negative for postpartum depression?”
Yeah, They say she must have had postpartum depression to do this. I don’t think depression can turn someone into a murderer. It just doesn’t make sense they argued this.
Imagine suffering a seizure and coming back to consciousness and to find out you just microwaved your own baby. I can't imagine the pain or the shock for a mother to realise you just killed your own child that you tried to have for so long. Or the pain of realising you killed a little human being and how much he suffered for those 3 minutes.
I have Generalized Epilepsy. I have both petite mal and grand mal seizures. I was diagnosed at 11 and I am now 38. I can feel both coming, it's called an aura. They are VERY scary and embarrassing. I do foam at the mouth, my eyes roll to the back of my head, etc. I only know that I've had a grand mal seizure if I wake up in a different place than where I fell asleep or "fell out", my tongue is so sore I can't talk, my body is BEYOND sore, I have bruises EVERYWHERE, etc. Trust me, I have stories, scary stories. I'm so glad that you educated people as well covering this story! Thank you so much!!
Also, after a grand mal seizure, I sleep for a couple days. They really wipe me out. I have zero energy. When my energy does start coming back, I do just go through the motions until I'm "fully functional" again. My honest opinion is, that it was a bit of both the Epilepsy and PPD. She might not know that she has/had it, some woman don't. Depression is an ugly thing. When she has a seizure, then the young kids act up and won't listen, and she got overwhelmed. She did the next best thing, (in her mind), did away with poor baby Maribel. Then used her seizure episodes as a reason/excuse for what happened. She clearly had some PPD here. She didn't know what to do.
When I was at camp as a child, I think 10 maybe 11 the girl in front of me, first in line dropped out seizing. She fell between the cabin and stone first step. She fit perfectly in the weird gap. She was OK to finish the seizure where she was, I put my hands on either side of her head and the teenage counselor yelled that we need to pick her up and shove something in her mouth. I looked at her like she had 7 heads and firmly shook my head no. Seizure ended, girl came to and two others helped me get her up, she was tiny but in an awkward position and her muscles weak for a bit after. We walked to the nurse. Counselor was already there and told she was wrong by the exasperated nurse, girl was OK. Only thing that really happened is she and her bunk buddy were asked to swap because she was on the top bunk and they didn't want her to fall from that height. Thankfully I think that mouth thing is not the common reaction anymore. I hope you find a medication that leaves you seizure free or very limited if they do happen. They tested me as a child. I just have sleep paralysis, which is odd on its own but nothing like a seizure. ❤
Yeah it seems like she’s interpreting her auras through her own cultural lens, which makes a lot of sense. I would imagine most Hmong people who experience seizures have a similar interpretation of what they’re experiencing
I used to see people that I didn't know or people I didn't know before I had and he used to freak people out because it's like they would tell me stuff then I will wake up out of it a couple hours later to be like somebody you know I saw dead people and people would look at me weird
I have epilepsy and here are some of my personal experiences. I have had a seizure while cooking food before, specifically using the microwave. The only thing I remember is filling a pot with water and putting it on the stove. I woke up on the floor of my living room roughly 25 minutes later when my family returned home. We acted like Sherlock Holmes to concluded that I had not filled a pot with water at all(fake memories are a thing that can happen during these seizures). The pot was empty and laying upside down on the stove. We found my glasses bent on the floor under the microwave cart and a paper towel with a single chicken nugget inside. (Note that the nugget was nearly frozen. We think I might have put it in for less than 30 seconds since the outside was very defrosted.) The sides of my tounge had also been biten badly. Prior to my tonic clonic seizures, I have an "aura" phase. My head feels dizzy and light, as if I stand up too fast, and physically, I will see colors and feel fuzzy. After, in the haze phase, I will pass out and wake up constantly, crying and asking what happened. My haze lasts around 15-25 minutes. After I will be normal, but physically tired, like I ran around the block a few times. Another phenomenon I've experienced is fake memories of what happened before a seizure. Once it is particular, I remember going to my room and setting up my painting supplies and painting a flower. I felt as if i fell asleep and teleported to the ER, with the taste of blood in my mouth from biting the sides of my tounge so hard i could see my teeth indents for weeks. According to my mother, I never went to my room and never painted. Sorry for the rambling, I just thought this could be helpful for those curious. I do take 1000ml of keppra a day along with B6, and have not had a grand seizure since. HOWEVER I still have my absence seizures to this day. They last only 15 seconds to 45. My coworkers(at a coffee store) say I have a glazed look in my eyes, and autopilot make a cup of water for no reason. For those that are curious and have questions, I'm happy to respond!! I have experienced many forms of seizures over the years, and I have a few friends having one off seizures or epileptic.
I’m sorry you have to go through that. It sounds quite terrifying. In regards to your absence seizures, is it possible for someone to bring you out of it? And if so, should they? I know in some sleep walking cases they say waking someone might cause harm and to instead wait it out unless the person is about to hurt themselves on something.
Honestly, since they are so short and don't cause harm, many people around won't notice them happening. I personally don't know if trying to stop them, or "wake them up" would work. However, once at work, I had one where I just stopped and stared at the wall for around 15 seconds, and my coworker tapped me a few times and it didn't do anything. I returned to normal after a few seconds.
Also, no need to worry, seizures don't hurt much, they feel like a suprise nap and waking up groggy. Only things after do, like a bitten tounge, or falling.
I wrote a long comment too. I find yours fascinating. For me. I don't think I had seizures as much as brain reset and I don't believe it's the same thing. Both happened under extremely emotion times ( I divorced my 1st husband, 2nd my 2nd husband was killed on his way to work at 8:49 am 4/12/22. My neurologist said epilepsy is like pregnancy, you aren't kinda epileptic but I think it's more brain overloaded and I shut off .
In my opinion, in any case, it is obvious she wasn’t acting rationally, and wasn’t in the right state of mind to make fully informed or coherent decisions. Whether it is psychosis or the seizure, from what we know, I don’t think she would microwave her baby willingly and with full awareness. If she was fully sane in that moment, and truly wanted her baby gone, she would not microwave it, especially with her mother right outside. I think this was a horrible accident, and her intentions must be taken into account. But, that’s just my opinion.
you say that as if she admitted to taking it out of the microwave, she could have belived that itd be a way of killing the baby that would go undetected and is quick to do. she was often watched over and in the small window where she wasnt supervised the baby is killed and she says she doesnt know what happened as she just happened to have a stroke at that time and recover within 10 minutes asuming it happened the minute he closed the door, she has to have the stroke, get up, go get the baby, put it in the microwave, wait 5 minutes, take it out, and then go get help. to me it seems more probable that it was a opertunistic moment to kill the baby quietly for what ever reason she did it.
I agree with you, she doesn't seem to have any motive to kill her kid, and her statements/actions after killing her baby kind of shows how confused she is. Everyone around her also reaffirms how she is a good mom up to that point. Even the prosecutors side are arguing that she has psychosis and not murder. I kind of wonder how she'll be prosecuted differently if she killed her baby because of psychosis or as a result of her seizures.
@gxosz are you saying that even if she did legitimately have a seizure during the incident and legitimately did not know what she was doing, then she would still deserve to be in jail? If this is your position, how do you justify this?
Given in the postictal state the brain goes in zombie automatic mode, like making food or drink, trying to go shopping or do the vacuuming, like disjointed routine things. It's possibly a survival thing, like the brain is trying to recalibrate. Her last thought before the seizure would've been "My kids will be home soon, so I'll have to make them some food when they get back". She has the seizure, is in zombie mode, and her brain has gone "Make food. Am holding food. Microwave. Cook. Remove. Tired. Sleep."
I had a seizure whilst driving once, woke up parked at the back of my work with the front wheel completely missing off the axel and the whole right side completely scraped with zero recollection of how I got there. No idea how I didn’t die, Doctor says that the actual fit only lasts seconds but the brain doesn’t become lucid for a while but still functions on like an autopilot. This means I drove 10 minutes down a UK motorway and then through traffic towards my work and finally down a tight alleyway to park in the rear of the building whilst postictal. Crazy.
@@AnimeNinjaz I wasn't allowed to drive for a year. After 12 months of no seizures I could drive again. It was a sort of self inflicted thing as I found out later rather than a chronic medical issue.
As many others have noted, I too have known a couple of people who had seizures. Their behavior and mental state, especially in one particular friend, was sometimes very altered following these episodes, at times for days. I remember once when he put on a suit, tied his necktie in a perfect knot, and laid down on his bed. He laced his hands together over his midsection, closed his eyes, and calmly informed anyone who spoke to him that he was dead. He remained in that state for hours and was confused for probably a couple of days afterward, after which he had no recollection any of it at all.
I work with individuals with epilepsy, and the prosecution’s neurologist needs to go back to school. There is a condition called post-ictal psychosis that can develop in epilepsy patients with repeated seizures. It’s a state of psychosis that can hit up to a week after the seizure, and last anywhere from minutes to months (in very rare cases). I saw it happen to one man, the gentlest, kindest person you will ever meet. He had a full tonic clonic seizure and about a day later it happened. He had no clue who he was, where he was, was hallucinating, and attacked his best friend. I’ve also seen clients do all kinds of automatic actions after “short” seizures (called complex partial) such as trying to walk into traffic/walls/water, trying to use the stove, etc. If it’s a common action, she absolutely could have done it post-seizure. This woman needs a good neurological team and a psychiatrist, not jail.
i’ve looked for my shoes in the dishwasher after having seizures, walked up and down stair’s repeatedly having no clue, and so much more odd things like crying my eyes out and apologizing for something i’ve never even done before… i dont think people realize epilepsy does more than just give you seizures and that they think after you have a seizure you immediately feel fine and normal
@@nyrawaterdark thank you i appreciate it! And yes! Theres so much to epilepsy and seizures than people think and so many side affects and triggers and flashing light dont affect as many people with seizures as thought to be. I have a constant headache and have trouble standing up or even sitting up some days, its a confusing medical condition. 😅
Hmm. That's very interesting. My boyfriend has epilepsy and he likes to go to the restroom or get in the shower. When his seizures were bad I noticed he'd shower several times a day, kinda just drop everything and get in the showring-forgetting he already had earlier that day.
I have a feeling the people in the comments have not watched the full video, the case is just so weird that even Stephanie had no clue on how to conclude the situation..
she did a great job covering both sides of the story. i just cannot believe the mother killed her baby knowingly.. her brain didn’t work normally after the seizure.. what a tragedy…
I was almost done with the video wondering when the mom is going to wind up being revealed as an evil murderous monster cause of the comments and it never happened. This is just sad every way around and the cultural differences just made me feel worse for everyone
And this is why I don't comment before watching anymore😒 On dramas or controversies in general. If you know that you don't know anything, hush up or actually go through the material so that you can earn the right to talk shit...But god, I'm scared to watch this video.
My son has epilepsy and he acts very strange before and completely confused and incoherent after a seizure. He has absolutely zero memory of the entire event. It’s a very frightening and traumatizing thing to witness. I can see how something this tragic could happen. So utterly heartbreaking.
I stopped watching at 1:24 because I was starting to feel sick just thinking about what happened. I'm a grown man and a Marine Corps OIF/OEF veteran and can't stomach this story.
I have a 2 1/2 month old and just finished watching... it's awful. little babies who have never done anything wrong in their life being hurt should never happen. the baby, family, and the mother all suffered in this story... at least the baby didn't suffer for long.
I had epilepsy as a child, and I once, during a seizure, walked downstairs, took the milk out of the fridge, and poured it on the ground. Then I had a grand mall seizure.
What's a grand mall seizure? So you had a second seizure after pouring the milk? .. hope you stopped having seizures, not sure if that stops happening in life ..
I had one where I felt nauseous which was probably part of the seizure, got up to get milk since that's my usual fix, and even thought the world was wobbling to the point of almost spinning, and I was about to go down my brain was like "But I'm nauseous, I need the milk still."... I woke up in a puddle of milk. XD Then I was so hazy, and weak that I had to stay in the puddle of milk for like half an hour.
My theory is that the baby cried and she was trying to heat up a bottle to feed her…. Husband has seizures and has become confused when coming out of them - he has microwaved a fork coming out…
yess, i also read a comment saying they pour a glass of water as they do that regularly every day and seeing as she has 4 or so children, she must be very used to warming up baby milk or formula in the microwave and especially because she has a 2-month-old (I think) child! I also think the baby started crying so she held the baby and began "warming up milk" to calm her and feed her but she got mixed up and instead of putting the bottle in the microwave, she mistook it for a baby! such a heartbreaking case!!!
Even without seizures I’ve put dirty dishes in a drawer and microwaved empty clean dishes. I can’t imagine what would happen with someone who was trying to do something in the middle of a seizure.
@@Jyoo609 I had a mug of cold coffee put it down picked up my phone and put it in the microwave PUSHED THE BUTTONS... I watched it make like half a rotation before realizing and opening the door.
ive had all types of seizures since i was 13. I have walked from one end of my high school to the other having no idea how i got there. i think she had a seizure and had no idea what she did
Temporal lobe seizures could fully explain this and could be something she’s dealing with. I could see it. They can cause full on hallucinations, completely bizarre behaviour and the person won’t seem to be having a seizure and may not have all the same obvious symptoms that they did. Adrenaline could therefore have made her far more clear headed much more quickly, but then she gets tired again as that fades. The Annaliese Michel case is an example of how bad that can get.
Honestly extreamly sad and a scary situation. The baby didnt deserve that pain and the mother didnt deserve to be stuck with such a dilbilitating disorder...❤
@@darkdest6664 agreed on every word. It’s a tragedy on all sides. I can’t imagine the horrible pain that tiny beautiful baby experienced. Nor can i imagine what her mother must have felt when she’s come to realise what’s happened. I’d argue her persist denial she had a seizures that day may just be….its for her as much as anything. Because if she did…having to grapple with the idea a medical condition may have contributed to having done something like this is unspeakable. I hope she gets a retrial at least. I don’t think her trial was fair or proper.
There is a real problem with knee-jerk reactions and punitive outrage, obsession with punishment and retribution, among those who enjoy true crime content. I hope none of these find themselves on the jury for any crime comitted by a neurologically disabled person. I am concerned for how this may cause some effect in our society.
@@GreenEyedGoblinmothers who accidentally harm their children get far worse sentencing than fathers. People have ingrained in them a sexist idea of a mother's role that does not even extend to fathers. It's terrible.
I have psychogenic non Epileptic siezures. I black out but still function but do usually weird things. I can have them off and on for days... and I only remember little snippets. I've tried opening a car door for 2 hours, tried to swallow a handful of small screws, tried putting a grocery bag on as underwear for a hr (hubby was confused and trying to get me to stop. But I was adamant apparently) I also will do repetitive movements. This is all brought on by anxiety, stress, trauma. Basically u get so anxious ur brain tries to like reboot like a overheating computer
can i just tell you that you talking to the voice on the side makes you different. i love him especially when he either makes sounds of shock or thoughts "hmph, Whoa,reaaaaly, thats craaaazy,) or when he asks you questions throughout or tries to reason with you. i love it!
People who leave comments on the case without bothering to watch until the end does such a disservice to stephanie and the research team that spent endless hours getting all the facts and covering as much as they can.
It's a disservice to her research, videos, and the overall discussion to try shutting down the conversation... simply because you disagree with their opinion. Not everyone is going to believe she is innocent. Many people have known and followed this case prior to her covering it. Many people watch videos at a much higher speed - you have no idea if they finished it or what knowledge they have on the case.
Commenting helps her engagement though? Even if they jumped the gun it legitimately is good when people comment. As for people making assumptions I can't blame them, the thumbnail, the title, the typical theme of these stories (IE: Crazy person harms child) it makes sense most would assume its just another monster.
I had two grand mal seizures… shit was crazy! First time I was literally just sitting on my bed, eating a piece of pizza watching TV, but I was going through a health issue. And then the next thing I know it’s over 13 minutes later and I’m on the ground looking up at four EMTs in my room. I just started to panic because I blacked out. I didn’t know what happened. apparently, my mom found me foaming at the mouth and jerking around smacking my head on every sharp object. She panicked called 911 and I didn’t come out of my seizure until the EMTs were there already in my room trying to load me up. It was so long. The second time I was at work and it was such a busy day… I worked at a bar and I was on my fifth hour with no breaks. Couldn’t even have a sip of water. and I was walking out with two giant trays that were holding five trays of chicken Alfredo and the next thing I know I am on the ground having a seizure. The last thing I remembered was hearing a customer yell “ I am a nurse move away!!” and then I woke up already on the gurney that the EMTs bring. It was a pretty big restaurant with over 200 people and all of them were just staring at me and clapping and once I was conscious, it was so embarrassing. And I was covered in chicken Alfredo. I could never eat that again.😅 But one thing I noticed at least with myself every time I woke up from a seizure I was very aggravated! I remember my mom was the one who called 911 and I heard her talking to the EMT saying that I had a seizure and for some weird reason I got so offended and started yelling and saying she was a liar.. this is very out of character for me… I don’t know why but each time I would get out of a seizure. I was just so angry, but I think it was because I was so confused.
I am not saying this woman has any excuse for what she did. I’m not even fully done with the video. But for some reason every time I had to seizure, I was in such denial, I would get so angry over the dumbest shit, and for some reason, I would just deny that I had a seizure all together. Me and my mother have a very great relationship. I’ve always been raised to respect your elders. I’m an Italian family but for some reason when I woke up from my first seizure and I heard my mom telling them that I had one I literally said “that B*tch is lying!!” Like what the hell I have no idea why I would say that… And I don’t really remember like the next 30 minutes to an hour after my seizures. It’s just crazy what it does to your brain and body! Oh, I was so so so sore! It’s like you just did the most intense work out of your life because all your muscles are tense for over 10 minutes. It’s just such a weird feeling like you don’t feel like you don’t even feel real at least that’s how it was for me.
My hairstylist had a seizure while she was doing my hair. She woke up incredibly aggressive. It was so terrifying to even watch it happen to her, so I can't imagine how it feels to be the one having a seizure 😥
I also have grand mal seizures and I wake up the exact same way. Then after I’m done being aggravated; I turn into a big baby cause I’m so sore. Then my leg (only the left one) shakes for at least an hour after the seizure. It’s crazy what they will do to not only your body but your emotions as well! I genuinely hope you never have to suffer one again🤍
@@kayleighbeaver1378 yeah it’s like you turn into a whole Nother person!! And then you have like only bits and pieces of your memory. Most of my memory is motion based so I just remember being angry confused. I felt like the world was out to get me. I don’t know why. But thank you so much that’s really sweet! And I really hope you never have to deal with that pain again! I would not wish that on my more enemy.
I've had one as well. Was seizing on the floor banging into pretty much every object you can imagine for almost 3 hrs before a family member found me and called 911. Last thing I remember before waking up in the ICU with a breathing tube in and EXTREMELY pissed off (like more than I have ever been any other time in my life) was flashes of trying to fight the EMTS and keep them from taking me to the hospital. I apparently thought they were trying to kidnap me. For some reason, I was having alternating moments of lucidity and being blacked out until they sedated me at the hospital. But, yeah, it was absolutely the most insane experience of my life. It's very hard to describe how it felt, but the anger and aggravation in the periods after was definitely a thing for me, as well.
As a clinical neurophysiologist, when I opened this video before going to work, I was very alarmed by the comments. I'm very glad to come back to people sharing their knowledge and experiences regarding seizures and giving this mother the benefit of the doubt she deserves. It is one of the biggest fears of people with epilepsy who are parents of young children, that something might happen to their child if a seizure came on while they were alone with them. A person's consciousness can be completely impaired during and after a seizure, to the point that they could do the most bizarre things without having any recollection of it whatsoever. Like Stephanie said, a big problem we have is that to this day, the vast majority of people still think of a seizure exclusively as what we call a generalised tonic-clonic seizure (GTCS), which in simple terms is the well-known person-on-the-ground-having-a-convulsion type of episode. But someone could be blinking slowly and smacking their lips for brief seconds and it could be a seizure, someone could be having a very strong sense of deja vu and it could be a seizure, someone could suddenly smell something bad and it could be a seizure, and so on. The type of seizure will depend on what part of the brain is malfunctioning at the time of the episode and we all know, at least superficially, that different areas of the brain are responsible for different functions, which means that the clinical presentation of a seizure can vary greatly. I would theorize that this mom had an aura, which for some people can be very helpful in letting them know something is about to happen so they can call for help and/or put measures in place to keep themselves safe, but for many it can be so quick that even people with long-term epilepsy can't make any use of it. After that, it is possible she went straight into a GTCS (incontinence and tongue biting are classic markers) or she might have had a focal seizure beforehand, likely of the temporal lobe (this is the most common type of epilepsy), which does not always but could cause changes in awareness, or there is a smaller possibility she could have had a frontal lobe seizure which can be characterised by hallucinations. This possible focal seizure could have evolved into a GTCS, which would explain the seizure markers. In any case, after the GTCS, she would likely also have what is known as a post-ictal phase (ictal essentially means seizure, post-ictal is post-seizure), during which the brain is, as implied by the name, no longer having a seizure but it has also not returned to the baseline activity. During this stage, the brain waves are typically much slower than they should be as the brain takes its time to recalibrate, which can take several long minutes. The person can be lethargic and go straight to sleep, they can also be very confused, unable to speak or answer simple questions such as their own name and this confusion can in some cases lead to them becoming violent, or they can get up and start doing "normal" things although their awareness is still very much impaired. The person can, unknowingly, be a danger to themselves or others before returning to baseline. So yes, at any point before or after the GTCS, this mom could have done something horrific without having any idea of what she was doing and then not remember it afterwards. Before I finish this very long comment, I just want to add - no, this does not mean that people with epilepsy should not be parents or that they should not be allowed to live a normal life with the level of independence that they believe they should be allowed. This is an extremely nuanced topic that causes a lot of hurt and anxiety to the people who live with this condition. Considering how misinformed so many people are about epilepsy and the lives of people with epilepsy, it is wise to not make judgement calls based on gut feelings before doing proper research or reading testimonies from those whose lives are a daily struggle thanks to their diagnosis. Let's lead with kindness and understanding first and not speak so harshly on what we don't know. Note: I have a said a lot of what Stephanie already said in the video, but it is clear some people are coming to the comments first before watching, so I felt the need to reiterate. The only thing I would change from what she said, is that in clinical practice, overtime, patients can definitely develop new types of seizures that they never had before, it can happen a year later or decades later.
@@affa7 as a fellow physician, thank you for the great educational ethical and compassionate comment. I agree that people are judging because they have this "gut reaction" due to the sheer horror of the case, and they think that the seizure is just an excuse and an attempt to escape conviction because they actually don't know about epilepsy further than a vague image of a GTCS (and infamous spoons in the mouth "to protect from biting the tongue"). And while the general public might be excused for lack of knowledge and for reacting emotionally, the judiciary system cannot be excused for not striving to employ the best scientific knowledge and the most impartial judgement. This case is a pure tragedy and the same as in Andrea Yates' case the mother was failed by the system. Also I am disgusted by people's attempts to dip into eugenics. It is wrong on so many levels and it proved to be profoundly harmful anytime in history whenever it was employed to make decisions. There is no data supporting the claim that parents with epilepsy (or any other disability) pose any more danger to their children than others, and actually reckless and negligent disregard of safety measures along with voluntary abuse are much more significant as a cause of injury and death.
I'm not an expert, and I agree with you. While in the military, I had a friend who had seizures, and he was the same way as this woman. He was walking and talking like normal right after, but never remembered anything he said nor did. Pretty interesting.
Thank you. You do not need to go to this one diagnosis for misundertatment... Some people are suprised to this day what does only depression to some people... And depression is not so close to sth like demon possesion or else... I don't have seizures, but had many panic attacks and there you go too - some people are inhospitalized for throught that it is heartattack... Or sth in veins in brain. Brain is so misunderstood to this day, that even a doctor and neurologist can understand it very differently... And for this video... I don't know what to think... But it is definetly sad. And it is sad, that justice system is not perfect anywhere... Not even in very highly educated states that are not under totalitary system of some sort (or they was not so far in past). (I'm trying to say, that I see some True crime stories that have victims staying in prisons... But english is not my native language, sorry for that.)
59:08 I do think it's important to note that some microwaves will start with just one button press. The microwave in my kitchen needs 2-3+, the one in my grandma kitchen only needs one. Either the start button for 30 seconds or one of the numbers for 1+ minutes.
Weird things can happen during seizures. My grandma and aunt are epileptic, and I lived with them during my childhood. My grandma once drank hot candle wax to "warm up" because she was too cold in the winter. Another time, she tried to undress in our driveway because she thought it was her bedroom. She also climbed up a tree because she thought the baby birds were in danger because she saw a leaf fall from the tree. TW! Once, my aunt also tried to take her own life via overdose during a seizure. From my experience, people doing unusual things during a seizure are very common.
Hmong gal here! Hmong people believe that children can see ghosts until they lose their first tooth. Ka may have been freaked out when she saw the baby’s eyes moving around thinking there was a spirit nearby. My mom told me that when my older brother was a baby she was changing his diaper and he was smiling and pointing to the ceiling saying “ka-ka” short for “meskas” pronounced “mee-ka” which means American in Hmong. I’m sure this was translated when she said she saw a white ghost outside the window. Interesting how both were considered white lol, perhaps it was just considered foreign.
In my nation and religion we believe kids can see angels before they are 2 years old. So I can understand that believing. Often when I look after my nieces (they are really young) they will look somewhere behind me or somewhere else and randomly smile and act like they are trying to communicate you know they make sound like they do when they response to adults who are talking with them in baby language but sometimes when baby's do that they smile and "talk" to somewhat in air. Like you can place them in their bed and they will smile and "galk" and looks somewhere randomly. We believe they are talking with angels at that times.
People need to start watching the video before leaving comments. This case is far more complex than people seem to realize. Yes, what she did was horrible, but she more than likely was in a state of mind where she had no awareness of what she was doing. It's a tragic incident that is very hard to comprehend the full depth of.
@@CatCheshireif she placed her baby in front of the car while having a stroke, got in the car and then drove over it, then it'd be a closer comparison. and yes id imagine people would call her a murderer.
When she said "won't be the last until we start taking postpartum seriously" that hit hard. It's so so horrible that nobody takes it seriously and that these mommas don't get the proper care it breaks my heart. Im not a mom and I don't know that I will be any time soon but my biggest fear is getting ppd after pregnancy it's a scary horrible thing to experience. And by no means would I ever make excuses for a momma killing her baby but ppd needs to be taken seriously in certain situations in order to help those struggling with it because without proper care and/or diagnosis it can cause some really messed up things.
Postpartum psychosis is horrifying. My friend’s cousin experienced that. There wasn’t a whole lot of warning. She did have postpartum depression, but it appeared very minor and no one was concerned about it. Her cousin was just more emotional than normal. Nothing unexpected. Then one morning she *completely* changed. Her husband woke up at 6am for work, walked down the stairs, and saw his wife just slicing her arm with a kitchen knife. She had 40-something cuts. She told him that if she didn’t do it to herself, she would do it to their baby. He immediately ran upstairs, grabbed their baby, ran outside, and went into the Starbucks across the street. He didn’t have his cell phone or even shoes on. He begged them to let him use their phone, explaining situation. He completely understands that it was postpartum psychosis, but it traumatized him so much that he moved back in with his parents (with the baby, of course) and they divorced a year later. My friend’s cousin is doing great now. This was 17 years ago.
I'm calling bs on that epilepsy doctor. My sister is epileptic and I've seen her use the stove and microwave right after a seizure. It is absolutely possible for her to have put her daughter in the microwave for 5 minutes and have no idea what she was doing. For her to have 100 seizures, she's definitely suffered brain damage. Every seizure causes brain damage, especially grand mal seisures. Under no circumstances should she be in prison right now. As someone who has witnessed another person have several seizures, I've seen the things that can be done and it's more than muscle memory or minimal actions.
💯 I have watery masses from viral meningitis that caused me to have seizures for 3months.. I had a few different types during that time and afterwards I had to pull out of university because my brain function was impaired. I was diagnosed with late onset severe ADHd as a result. Each seizure impaired your brain in different ways. Eventually your brain doesn’t work the same as it did before.
I really wished they would have checked the mother's tongue. Because when I have a seizure, I bite my tongue sometimes. If she did have a seizure, this shouldn't be considered murder it should be considered a sad tragedy. 😢
Regardless if it’s a tragedy and you’re having a psychotic episode after a seizure it’s completely wrong and insane to microwave a baby and you cannot justify it just because of a seizure. Unfortunately there needs to be justice. Whether that’s going to prison or a mental institute. If you don’t have the Holy Spirit on your side you allow yourself to be open to demons.
I have severe seizures and I can confirm that bizarre things are done during/after seizures. You think you're doing something completely different and then maybe even don't remember it after
Every single day, I make Ramen in the microwave, the instructions say to cook them, ironically, for 5 minutes. Every time I use the microwave, even when im not making the Ramen I have to really force myself to think about how long I want to heat something up, because my body automatically wants to press the 5 0 0 and start. I don't suffer from epilepsy, so I can completely see how this is possible. I feel so horrible for the whole family, especially the mother. I can't imagine what she must be thinking and feeling.
Hi, yes Hmong person here. There is no term for "Seizure" in the Hmong language. The term seizure comes from the old words literally translated to "offending the spirits" or "taken by spirits" because back in the old country, seizures were a sign of spirit-walking or spirit-talking or communing with spirits. In the case of Ka, she is no longer of the old faith, but she is still using the old words for "seizure." I hope this helps!
My grandmother has epilepsy and when I was a baby she had a seizure and tried to bounce me like basketball. Just a bruise on my bottom but definitely a scary moment. She gets very confused and does strange things. She also has a seizures that cause her to space out and have a blank stare on her face. I think it’s definitely possible for this to be accidental.
I Love the back and forth with you and your husband. Story time with you must be awesome. The way he is all in and asks questions is soooo special. He hangs on every word you say most of us can't get our husband to listen to us say the house is on fire😂 much ❤❤❤❤ to you both
@@forcedhaircut reminds me of a case where a sister stabs her brother to death. She didn't understand what was going on at all. Poor babies. People need to take these medical issues more seriously. I guarantee she didn't even know she was diagnosed with having seizures, especially because most Hmong people do not understand modern medicine.
Hello, i would first like to say I love watching your videos! This is my aunt ka's case that happened 13 years ago. She is now out of jail and i'm forever thankful for Auntie Kue for helping us get out ka out of jail
I had a Clonic Tonic seizure at the beginning of this year. Beforehand I was already in High Dependency Unit Ward in Hospital due to being in DKA from my diabetes. Before the seizure all I remember is sitting up talking and smiling with my nurse. Then (what I’ve been told is when my seizure happened) I went stiff and fell back, my hands curled and both my arms bent inwards, my mouth also foamed at the sides while my eyes rolled to the back of my head. I was told afterwards I was very fatigued and EXTREMELY tired- because of this I had slept for about 3 days straight however i still had normal movements that you would if you were sleeping at night. However, I just hadn’t sealed or got up. Because I was already in hospital and my nurse acted quickly and responded to my seizure straight away as she was already with me at time of seizure, she gave me an enema to let my body release any bowel movement or bladder movement that was expected to happen. Now skipping after 3 days, i eventually became awaken and “conscious”- so to speak. I do remember also having hallucinations, my mind playing “tricks” on my vision, speaking to myself, mumbling things and having conversations with these people I saw (who were not actually there). I also had an incident the following day, where I was off the IV’s and off any heart ecg monitors, so I was told I had left the ward and ended up on a completely different floor of the hospital, found by two different nurses from a different department who had asked me questions and I was genuinely unable to answer: why I was in hospital, what ward I was admitted to, why I was out of my ward and what my DOB was. So they took me to A&E where they said they had phoned multiple different wards and asked if there was a patient missing from them. I was safely taken back up to where I was meant to be. So I fully understand where this poor mother comes from when she says she does not have one clue. Also seeing the flashing big white light, is how I also describe now what my point of view is from back then. My brain convinced every part of me that the world changed, couldn’t remember or recognise anyone. Seizures are a scary thing. Nobody fully and truly understands this unless you have one nor does anyone know how you truly feel beforehand, during or afterwards any seizure.
She deserves a retrial, if not to have the conviction overturned entirely. The fact that the police never bothered to get her any medical attention that could have proven or disproven she had a seizure and what kind it was means that no jury in the land should have ever convicted her beyond a reasonable doubt. That and the fact that police never bothered to confirm her story via physical evidence either (for example, we don't even know if she actually urinated on herself when that would have been so easy to find out just by looking). I think the police and prosecution just got blinded by how horrible that baby's death was and wanted someone to pay for it - whether or not she's actually 100% culpable of the crime.
Unfortunately, tests can't really determine if a seizure happened recently, BUT I agree that they should have at least had her evaluated for physical signs like tongue-biting, bruises, etc. If the prosecutor and defense were competent, they could have used EEG or imaging to at least determine the type of seizures she most likely suffers from. The recovery time of a seizure can be anywhere from a minute to days depending on the type. Was this even taken into account? Of course what she did was terrible, but how could a jury decide what her intention was when the prosecution's medical expert is a questionable neurologist who can't even decide if she had PPP or not?
@@curepastel391not necessarily, a ton of evidence proves it was an intentional act, even if they don't have a clear motive. For her to be able to speak with 911, calmly while also giving CPR after supposedly having a seizure that's so bad she had no clue what she was doing while microwaving her baby to death and came up with a different story to tell them all within ten minutes is very highly unlikely. It's easier to believe it was a tragic mistake but the reality is it's far more probable that she intentionally did it. It's not as cut and dry as you believe. It also doesn't help that anyone who would commit that kind of crime would be more likely to cover up their actions with any excuse they can instead of admitting the horrible truth.
I am Hmong and when I was a little girl I heard this story, literally shook me and all my siblings. Thank you covering this story, it made me have such a different view of the situation. I would also say, back then Hmong people weren't well-known and did not have the resources or people they needed to protect them or translate what they truly meant. What a tragic and heartbreaking story.
as a person who has black outs i believe she didn't do it op purpose because i once had a black out and when i stood back up after i fell the cabinet in front of me was open so i believe i opened it myself so i may not see anything or understand but i can still move for a few seconds
There is no way she intentionally did this. It is extremely rare that a loving mother would snap and torture in the most horrific way known to humanity. She was completely out of her mind. Whether psychosis or epilepsy.
I’d argue there’s no way this happened. Those other cases of babies inside microwaves all had every severe visible burns from far less time inside than Mirabelle. Full thickness burns, amputated limbs. I can’t get to Mirabelle even being in the microwave, i don’t think that’s even close to having been proven.
@@GreenEyedGoblin thats literally not true she explained different types of burns that were analyzed and that these were clearly radioactive burns and that the baby even had elevated levels of radiation, did you even watch the video?
@@CrimsonCrimesYT she explains how it took 4 months and asking other doctors and some went ‘it looks like’ In the cases referred to the babies injuries don’t exactly match Mirabella, to where it raises doubt. Her hair and clothes were not burned or singed, her eyeballs were not burst. If she was in there it was t close to 5 minutes, it not even sure it was 2. That was whole ass made up, that number.
This situation, in particular, affects me deeply. My mother has epilepsy, and it is very complicated. Each time she has a seizure, she comes back different. What doesn’t surprise me is that no one cared about my mother’s seizure. In general, people don’t pay much attention when someone has a seizure
This is very interesting to me. My (now 16yo) daughter had three febrile seizures when she was little. After her first, she was a completely different child. I spoke to her pediatrician about it, but she accredited her age for the change. I’ve had two other children and yes, they most certainly go through difficult periods during certain ages, but I know that I had a completely different child before and immediately after her seizure. Thankfully, she has grown into a wonderful young lady, but it was a rough road for a while.
I’m Hmong and to answer your question at 26:42 , it’s both literal and the verbiage, depending on your beliefs. The hmong, historically, come from a shaman background. As a people, when we first witnessed someone with epilepsy, we identified it as spirits entering the body - it’s called, “dab peg,” which translates to, “spirit beating,” (…in the manner of first entering the body and beating from the inside out…). Hmong Shamanism believers still identify it as that, but hmong who no longer believe in shamanism and do not believe in spirits don’t believe in spiritual beatings, but they still call it that as the hmong name for it.
Yes. @Stephanie & others - the Hmong term for epilepsy is literally: Dab peg. Dab = spirit (bad or good, any and all spirits are "dab", but it's usually used in reference to "bad" spirits). Peg = beat. You can get "peg" from your parents or "peg" by the neighborhood kids. So, yeah, when they're speaking in Hmong, and talking about epilepsy... Whether or not they "believe" in shamanism/spiritual possessions/whatever else.... Then they will call it "dab peg". 💁💁💁💁
Can confirm. Dab Peg is the exact word my mother used to describe it. Hmong people did not have much knowledge about such medical issues, so we believed it to be caused by evil spirits.
Post-pardum psychosis really needs to be taken more seriously. Its caused so much suffering for no reason. I feel so bad for this family. Between the seizures, the potentiality of post pardum psychosis and the fate of little Mirabel and everything else, I can’t imagine the pain they're going through. 💔
i don’t know about other countries but in australia there’s a 12 month period where postpartum psychosis is a complete defence for this type of thing. it’s called infanticide
She definitely had psychosis I don't think the seizure could have done this.I just don't. I have epilepsy I can't see what my seizures look like but all I know is that I've been told my body clenches up and If I'm sitting down I'll stand up then fall over because all my muscles are clenched up and I'm shaking I don't see how someone could not only put a baby in a microwave but then close the door and start it while having a seizure it doesn't make sense to me
Absolutely correct! Women also need to not be stigmatised for it. Unless you have been through this, then you have no idea how terrible it is and the awful insane thoughts you have that seem completely normal at the time!
To turn on my older microwave, I just close the door and turn the wheel. The more I spin, the more time is added. On the other microwave, I have to press the button for every 30 seconds. That means I would have to press the button 10 times. However, I believe that in a specific seizure, one would be able to turn on both. It's super easy movement.
I’m only at 24:44 in the video but If the baby’s eyes actually were flicking back and forth, well my brother’s eyes did this as a baby and he had meningitis encephalitis and his eyes were flicking because of too much pressure on his brain. It was essentially brain damage and seizures.
@@ilovetopop yea that’s what I was thinking and then when Stephanie suggested it as a motive later in the video it confirmed that as a possibility. But, after watching the whole video, personally, if I was on the jury, I think there’s too much reasonable doubt to have convicted. At least, based on all the info Stephanie gave us. Seizures are complicated and the way my brother acts sometimes when a seizure is coming on can be bizarre.
Ka and her family lived in my home town for years before moving up North. All through her childhood and teens, she had always had episode of seizures and blackouts. We new what she did was not intentional. She was sick and her parents are farmers as alot of our parents are. They cant afford to get her the help that she needs to get a diagnosis. It was really sad to hear about the situation when it first happened and we know she is in for life. To be honest, she never got the medical help she needed. They just locked her up. It's sad all around.
It’s true she has seizures. She used to work on my floor and she had a few seizure episodes while there. A day after one of her episodes, she never returned to work. Then a year later I saw her on the news.
My daughter has severe grand mal seizures, and after a seizure, she is confused and disoriented for a few hours after and usually has no recollection of that day at all.
I don't have epilepsy but I do have DID and non-epileptic seizures (there's anacdotal evidence for a high comorbidity rate, but very few studies on the topic), after my last major seizure I was conscious enough to remember that my mother was dealing with the grief of death in the family and that I shouldn't call her, but also deeply confused about having a dog in my house (I've owned a dog for 5 years). I can also attest to the fact that if you have a seizure and someone tells you "no that wasn't a seizure" you'll just start saying you didn't have a seizure, that's what happened when I called my dad and he didn't want to deal with it, instead of going to the hospital I just went to sleep on his advice. You're highly suggestable right after a seizure and it's very easy to get confused about what happened
Sometimes you can also get suddenly emotional after having a seizure, often either angry or fearful. Your brain can go into a sort of flight or fight mode.
Very, very good points. Seizures are a strange thing. They affect a person for a while after the seizure itself is over, and a lot of the time memory and cognitive function is severely affected temporarily
My Sister is epileptic from a TBI caused in a car accident. After she would have a tonic-clonic seizure, she'd become a different person, almost feral-like. She'd beat anyone who sat with her through the seizure once she came to. It's frightening to witness a seizure and it was frightening to see how she would become so combative.
One of my good friend also has nonepileptic seizures and I've witness them quite a few times when she comes out of them she is always very disoriented and looks around like she's in a haze asks what happened and some people try to tell her it was nothing or they lie and say it was something else entirely and tell her to lay down or whatever while she's still super confused and doesn't even always recognize the person talking to her. I personally have always just taken her by the had asked to sit with me and told her exactly what happened and what she may or may not have done during it.
My younger sister used to have non-epileptic seizures and it was honestly such a horrific experience, watching my sister go through something like that. I was five, she was one. I feel so bad for people who have seizures or knows someone who has seizures because I know the experience of watching a loved one suffer like that.
@vk01221 I think they mean that she could have just shut the door and pressed START for the microwave to turn on, because it could have been time remaining from a previous use..
@@vk01221 the prosecution argued that it is too difficult and too many coordinated movements to turn on the microwave so she couldn't have possibly done it during a seizure or a postictal state. The commenter meant that depending on the model and settings turning on the microwave can be as easy as hitting one button. I'll add that one button or three buttons is not relevant, because the prosecution was wrong with that part either way. Epileptic seizures present not only as a generalized grand mal seizure where a person falls on the ground and the limbs are jerking with froth coming out of the mouth, during which, of course, it's impossible to perform any actions, but actually it is more common to have partial seizures where only a part of brain is being activated and then people would perform so called automatisms - movements that we are used to perform "on autopilot" without thinking, like brushing teeth or cooking a coffee. It's because our brain is biologically, structurally wired to reduce everything to already learned patterns. But because during seizures these actions are not consciously/voluntarily controlled, they would be off. For example, brushing teeth but without water and toothpaste. Or turning the stove on and putting a kettle on it, but the kettle is upside down and empty. Yes, the microwave stops with just opening a door but that would require voluntary control which a person doesn't have during a seizure.
@R_LW1946 Not even that, most microwaves made for the past few years, you can just push whatever number and it automatically starts. Like if you push 2, it goes for 2 minutes, 5 goes for 5 minutes etc. My past like 3 microwaves have all done this.
Honestly I believe the defense. It makes total sense that she would have a seizure, and then in the hazy phase, microwave her baby. Absolutely heartbreaking.
@@__-bz7wh multiple people who have seizures have said this is very much possible in the postictal state since your brain pretty much goes on auto-pilot. to quote another commenter: "It's possibly a survival thing, like the brain is trying to recalibrate. Her last thought before the seizure would've been "My kids will be home soon, so I'll have to make them some food when they get back". She has the seizure, is in zombie mode, and her brain has gone "Make food. Am holding food. Microwave. Cook. Remove. Tired. Sleep.""
@@__-bz7wh Yeah it does as someone who has seizures although non-epileptic seizures. It can take me 10-20 minutes to get back to a logical functional state I don't remember anything that happened during that time. I have however done things in that state. Things like strip naked, go down the street, once I did start cooking I could have really hurt myself. It's a danger of having seizures there's a lot of resources that show this theoretically possible. Is it 100% what happened probably not 100% but it's at least enough to bring doubt to the case. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting someone in Jail with this particular set of circumstances.
I have epilepsy, and i have had a seizure where i was found wandering the street by the cops i was told that i was acting like i was on drugs they tackled me i woke up in the hospital wondering what the eff happend to me my mom told me that i had a seizure i have had seizures sinse 15
I saw someone comment that people with seizures shouldn't have children. Every person who can be a good parent despite their disability or illness can care for their children. Most will have a trusted friend, a relative, or join some sort of program to help them out.
I have epilepsy and I know the I'm best at isn't my profession or my military service. What I'm best at is being a dad. I have a 22 yr old and an almost 18 yr old. I am adopting a 15 - and 13 yr old that are from my wife's marriage. Whoever said that isn't very intelligent judging by their comment.
When I was younger I thought I wasn’t going to be able to have children because of my epilepsy, I did a lot of research, found great doctors and with the help of my family I have a toddler and epilepsy doesn’t stop me ever
I think in her ‘hazy phase’ she wanted to put the baby somewhere she knew was safe since she knew inherently something was wrong, however she wasn’t in the right state to realize it was a seizure happening to her anxious body; not a home invasion. In the case of a home invasion, a microwave would be an ideal place to put a tiny human you didn’t want to be harmed.
I got myself dressed, rode in a car over an hour, and talked to ppl on the way to the hospital...to this day all i remember is waking up in the hospital. What she did is plausible. the haze may last a different amount of time for others and depending on the type of seizure too..
As someone who has multiple types of seizures, I really appreciate the work you and your team did to explain the different types and how they can affect people.
This case is so frustrating. No one in the justice system is listening to what the mother had to say and did whatever they can to close the case with as little effort as possible.
I don't know if it was laziness or a twisted sense of justice, but it was straight up negligent for the cops to have brushed off her seizure claims and not even note if she urinated on herself, bit her tongue, had bruises, etc. All of these could have been noted as physical evidence for a seizure!
@@erihitsuki that woman literally lied about what happened to her baby at first. Plus she knew she had a serious condition and still kept on having innocent children. What sin did the innocent children commit to deserve this treatment ? She is an incredibly irresponsible woman and deserves to be jailed
This is so so so sad :(. This poor family. A family member of mine sleep walks to the point, tries to cook, pees weird places , and has crashed the car, wakes up walking in now where in their underwear. Most of the time it’s stuff he can clean up and we can laugh about, but I feel scared for him. He never remembers any of it.
The fact that seizures can cause this much confusion/disorientation is SCARY. Its crazy how easy the brain can be short circuted, and is a sad reminder of how fragile life is.
I suffer with seizures and I’ve been told that I always either try to make a drink or make a sandwich I’ve been told it’s like I’m a zombie doing a repetitive action. I never have any knowledge of doing this or how it’s possible. I have functional neurological disorder so my seizures aren’t full seizures but I do suffer from loss of memory as to how or where I am or what I was doing. Thank you Stephanie your videos are always insightful but this one was sad. The authorities need to learn about these kind of things and the impossible is always possible. Much love to you ❤
Im sorry ❤ I have family who also go through it and some days are just awful for them ❤ I hope you have more good days in your future ❤ please take care of yourself ❤
@@darkdest6664 yes I do thank you but they can happen when walking down the street so it can be quite embarrassing especially when a crowd forms around you. I have to have someone with me when I’m out so I tend to stay home most of the time. But thank you and I hope your family member is ok 💕
I have psychogenic non Epileptic siezures. Basically anxiety induced siezures. I may twitch sometimes with mine but mostly I stare off into a zone or walk around like a zombie. My parents told my doctors it's like I look right through them. I also do repetitive movements for hrs. Or will stumble around slurring or stuttering like I'm drunk or something. I'm usually blacked out during most and don't remember anything but snippets. But I've done some crazy things during them
@@staciebaby7968 my son says I stare blankly and I’m none coherent but I don’t remember. Apparently I slur in my hazy phase but I don’t know. I’m usually ‘not there’ so I have no idea what’s happening. Seizures are scary your brain just stops functioning for a short time then it’s working again it’s bizarre your brain just reboots itself for no reason or just misfires information. I feel for you lovely
My seizures (I call them fetal seizures, since they don't qualify as Grand Mal or even Petit Mal) present as a strong chill across my shoulders & down my spine. The aura might be up to 3 seconds, the seizure itself about the same, & the recovery a couple of seconds up to maybe a minute. I can talk, think, operate, even drive during all phases of it, and medication has never helped noticeably.
As a Hmong person I recognized that these were Hmong names right away. There is so much trauma in our communities. I'm mourning with their families for how much was lost during this tragic event.
I was thinking the same I’m not Hmong but I live in mn and have many Hmong friends and have watched alot of Hmong movies about ghost and spirits(many of my friends are Buddhist)
My aunt has epilepsy, and she is almost never herself after it happens. She’s a very happy person, so once she comes out of her grand mal seizures, she’s all smiley and giggly, but she has no recollection of what just happened. Most times, it takes her around a day to come to fully, just because she’s in a deep haze. She can still talk, she can still move, her motor functions aren’t at all stunted, but if you don’t hang out with her after her seizures, she will go on and do things at random. One time she remembered that my cousins and I were at the home, so she wanted to make us food- instead of putting the congee on the stovetop, she put the cauldron in the microwave. We only knew what was happening when it started to pop in the microwave. From my family and I’s experience, I don’t think this poor lady even knew what was happening. It’s so horrible that this happened to her and her family.
I am Hmong and I’ll give context. *Why do we resort to spiritual reasonings?* The Hmong people have a DEEP tie/connection with shamanism. We have practiced it for decades, maybe even centuries. The way how we practice shamanism is to use animal sacrifice as a gift for sprits to gain fortune and health. Depending on the severity of the situation, the animals used could be a chicken to a large cow. We DONT harm any humans during these sacrifices/rituals. The Hmong people believe in spirits and the spirit world, and we believe in ancestors. Although I don’t have much knowledge about the epilepsy part because I was never told about it from my elders, so what Stephanie is saying could be correct. *Why did she mention that the baby was moving her eyes side to side?* Another well-known fact in the Hmong community is that young kids who have not grown their adult teeth are believed to have stronger connections to spirits. Meaning, they are more sensitive to spirits and can possibly see/hear/touch them. That is probably why the mother said that her daughter’s eyes kept looking around like there was a fly. She was probably indicating that it could be the works of a spirit. *Other information about the spirits* There is also a folklore in the Hmong community that talks about an evil spirit called a “Poj Ntxoog.” These spirits are seen as little girls that have their feet’s twisted backwards. They are cunning, dangerous, and mischievous. There is a story of a man who went hunting with his son and he began seeing a little girl following them. The next thing he saw was a deer and he shot the deer, only to hear the giggles of the girl and when he turned back, he had shot his son. These spirits are very strong and yearn to deceive and bring misfortune to people. This, in the Hmong beliefs, could have happened. (Though it’s just purely shaman beliefs and folklore.) *Why the Hmong people disagree with modern medicine.* The Hmong people are minorities originating from the Miao people (an ethnic minority from China) during the genocide which killed many Hmong people, we ran to south East Asia and hid in the mountains. This had made MANY Hmong people unaware of the outside world besides the small villages of the south East Asians. It wasn’t until during the Vietnam war where we were found out by the American CIA and drafted into the war. (Both my grandparents were drafted at the age of 11 to 13 years old.) We we’re drafted and we’re told that in return for helping the Americans, we would be awarded freedom and be accepted to America. Which also to mention, the Americans left us for dead, which caused an alarming number of refugees within Thailand. So yes, we are very fresh to America and we’ve only had three generations within America. So considering this, our Elders and people are still very connected to our roots and our culture. This is why most Hmong parents or Elders will argue with doctors. Because most elders have lost that trust within Americans and believe that their medicine will not help, or that Americans are deceivers due to the history of being abandoned by them when they were aware that we would be targeted after the war. And also just the pure fact that, Hmong elders have faith in traditional medicine 🤷🏻♀️
when an American shows up in your country and says "I'm here to help, on behalf of my government" it's advisable you run for your life if it means anything to you.
OMG! Please cover the story of the Hmong mother who killed her 6 kids. It was definitely a sad and tragic story that shocked the community! Would love to hear your version and findings about this case.
@@maivang7394 I think this would be a good suggestion for the channel too, since I was barely able to get any information on it. Sometimes I'm not sure how these channels even manage to find the information they do.
Thank you for your time and videos, you are a natural and respectful throughout these terrifying stories. They need to be heard, thank you for being their voice 🙌🏻❤️🩹🙏🏻
I was diagnosed with generalized tonic seizures last year. I didn’t look further into it because I get scared reading articles about it, which leads to self-diagnosis and increased anxiety. Watching this gave me a deeper understanding of what it’s like to have seizures. Most people are surprised when I mention it, so I usually avoid going into detail. Thank you for the information and distinctions you provided in this video.
@@Charlotte-t9b I agree! Before my diagnosis, I thought of seizures as paralyzing and making it impossible to function normally, as one would before. It was extremely enlightening.
I think the police and medical professionals robbed both her and the baby a fair trial. Truly unfortunate. I hope the baby rest in peace and may the baby be born a better life in her next one.
people gotta stop commenting before the video is done. this isn’t as cut and dry as most cases. even i, who has a problem with black and white thinking- have no clue what to make of this case. like most of us have no clue what epilepsy or seizures are like. very hard to say. i don’t think she was treated fairly and deserves a retrial. like it makes zero sense that she would do such a thing. and the fact they didn’t believe her to where they didn’t even medically check her. they just needed to charge her no matter what
For me, this is one of those cases where it's better to have a guilty person go free than to have an innocent person behind bars. With no concrete evidence, and, everyone being so unsure of what truly happened, this woman should not be in prison!!!!
Thank you for saying this this is my thoughts exactly! She doesn't have any history of ever harming her children she's a good mom. Nobody can testify different. I'm so sad she's in jail this is not fair. She's already being punished in her head for the rest of your life.
I agree, she needs treatment for her seizures. I'm tored of the pro-punishment stance in the US. Especially when provate prisons get paid per how many prisoners they have inside.
@@AmS-c5z I don't think we have private prisons. We have city/county jails, state and federal prisons. Guards are paid a set salary, with set benefits, and set raises.
She clearly did the crime, but I don’t think the prosecutors proved without reasonable doubt that it was premeditated murder. She should have been charged on second degree murder and not first degree.
@@dangerousdandelions She clearly did it, but if she did it while not in control of her facilities, is one really guilty? This argument could be made for someone on drugs and alcohol, too, but in those situations, they chose to use. In this type of situation, it's clearly out of ones control.
My husband and I used to work with my husband's aunt, who tends to have seizures. When she has these episodes, she would be a completely different person. My husband's boss would run over and hold her down because his aunt would grab small blades and tools, trying to hurt others.
My moms has severe seizures and also has 30 minutes to 1 hour of postictal phase . Right after her seizure she tends to do things such as “I have to go out to buy something” or will start doing something so she’s still disoriented and she can’t remember what she’s doing but she is capable of doing things. Although yet definitely can’t write down something, or have a deep conversation or anything like that. Eventually she will feel sleepy and will fall asleep where she sees most comfortable in that moment (the floor, bed, grass) and after she wakes up she can’t remember anything (if lucky she can remember faintly ) but she understands she had a seizure due to her condition.
Postpartum is serious but precedent has been set that it's the mothers responsibility to reach out for help. Now you can plead insanity but understand that doesn't mean you "get away with it" it may lessen your sentence in some cases dependent on severity but you will still be treated like a prisoner. Best case scenario a prisoner on parole. So not much of a difference. just a difference in treatment. But ka yang was not insane. She was not conscious. She was not having thoughts she needed to seek help for. She had a medical event that was being maintained to the best of her ability and resulted in something unpredictable and could not have crossed anyone's mind as concern. If I'm over here feeling cornered and trapped and panicked and confused and get the idea that it's the baby and the baby needs to go in the microwave. There will be warning signs before and you will be aware something is wrong well in time to take action and seek help. If I am unconscious and think I need to turn on the microwave to help the baby. There wasn't a decision made. Just an action performer. But tbf I think a lot of post partum mothers get way too harsh punishments as well in some cases. A lot of times they needed support and asked for support and it was not available.
This is why women need more support after childbirth. And in general. Their needs are not being met. Leaving the hospital without checking in and not feeling bad about saying, "I dont feel right!" Or whatever your case may be. That is a huge responsibility to carry without more support. ❤❤Hugs❤❤ to all Women!
Many European countries offer postpartum recovery and care support for women before and after childbirth. For instance, in the Netherlands, a trained professional will visit you daily for a week or two, after you give birth to check on your health, assist with your baby, and answer any questions you may have.
I’m Hmong and grew up with an epileptic mother my entire life. I’ve seen her have so many seizures and can confirm she is not the same person right after or even for the rest of day. She will be completely zoned out and in a dazed like state because she is so tired and would not remember anything at all. She would also hallucinate too. One instance that I remember so clearly was her coming out of a seizure while my dad wasn’t home and she kept asking me and my sister when our parents will be back home. I remember being so scared because she was so adamant she was not our mother and she’s just there to watch us. Another time she was convinced she saw people running across our roof and that they shot her in the chest but it was because she had really bad heart burn caused by the seizures. She’s been seizure free for about a year now thanks to modern medicine and she’s a ray of sunshine! She is so happy all the time and it makes my heart so happy! 🥲
However, this story is just sad all around. It’s so heartbreaking. 🥺
Happy to hear that your mother is better. health is wealth
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13 thank you so much! ❤️
Wow, I’ve never been around people with this medical condition, I have never knew any of this were symptoms of seizures, thank you for sharing this, sometimes I don’t approach situations with as much empathy as I should, simply because I don’t understand.
So glad to see someone mention this. I have epilepsy, and for sometimes twenty or more minutes, I'll be out of it after the seizure; my mom took a video to show my doctor a year ago. For 15 minutes, she was speaking to me, but I kept asking where I was, and I'd say, 'Where is my phone,' and even though she was clearly holding my phone videoing me I was asking. I've even taken off clothes the last few years. People don't realize seizures aren't something after a minute it's completely over. I have 'partial' seizures and people think staring off in space isn't a big deal, but I'll be exhausted after and have to sleep.
I also grew up with an epileptic mother but my mom is still relying on medication to live like a normal person day to day. I remember there was once I was in the car alone with my mom and she was driving. She has a seizure while driving and i didn't know how to stop the car, but we're both safe. When she woke up she was calling for her dad and wasn't sure who I was, I called her friend to come get us and send me to college since I still had classes and they sent her home. I wish the technology for epilepsy was better in my country so my mom wouldn't have to rely on medications anymore but she's living her best life rn despite her medical condition
Ughh the way she described what would happen theoretically if you were cooked in a microwave was literally skin crawling ugh that poor baby 😢
I could barely listen to it, literally having chills run down my spine
Did the mother know how long she had to microwave the child? Or .....😢
Yeah i'm looking down the right side at some of her other videos and now seeing this may not be my kind of content.. i thought i was reading something incorrectly when I saw "SA until spinal cord exposed." It took me about 15 seconds to put together it wasn't word salad.
@luceatlux7087 I listened to that video and the details of that poor sweet baby's experience were gruesome at best. I couldn't wrap my head around the title, as well.
But I do appreciate that Steph covers these cases and brings light to the lives of the victims. I think she does a great job at being respectful and gentle when discussing the victims and their experiences. But, she covers a lot of really horrific things and I can completely understand if some people choose not to expose themselves to those kinds of topics.
@@luceatlux7087yeah just reading that title was traumatic enough for me
The fact that she had a slight lisp when approaching her mom with the baby adds up with biting your tongue during a seizure. That’s one supporting detail that was blown off
Or she could have bit it herself preparing to make up a whole story about having an epileptic episode. So her biting her tongue proves nothing.
@@emmie_lou_whomy brother is severely autistic my dad has to put a spoon in his mouth to keep him from biting his tongue off , so it definitely is a sign of seizures , same as my aunt she has seizures and has a lips or very droopy tone of voice
@@Literally_dangeleeen I didn't say it wasn't a sign of a seizures. I was just making a point that she knowing that this happens when she has a seizure if she was trying to use it as an excuse could have bit her tongue to make it appear like normal when she has one.
@@emmie_lou_who i feel like if she did bite her tongue, her instincts would kick in and not bite down hard enough
@@reneebroskiit definitely would. That’s why it hurt more when you bite it by accidentally than forcing yourself to bite your tongue.
I once dated someone who had a grand mal seizure, and when the seizure was over, they took off all their clothes and began fighting the paramedics. He had never had a history of seizures before this event and was not violent. He stated he didn't remember anything until waking up in the hospital.
Same. I have medicine resistant epilepsy. I’m literally on a first name basis with all the paramedics of my small town. They nickname me Rocky because after I have a seizure I am incredibly combative and also unusually strong. Then everything is all normal like 30 min later with no memory.
I had a seizure similar to that in public, apparently I tried to fight everyone trying to help me, i just remember becoming conscious in the street telling the paramedics to get off of me and I don't need any help (which obviously i did) someone stole my backpack with all my school books/assignments/laptop/drawings. This was several years ago.
Hey I suffered from epilepsy something 5 to 6 yrs and I'm alright now . This thing can be fixed with proper medications .
@@elizabethkarmellacomedian3872 same thing but I'm okay now , I'm no more epileptic things can be fixed with medications,.
I’m Hmong and this shook our community, thank you for covering it. You also did a really good job at pronouncing their names. Thank you
Please do not promote The Spirit Catches You And You Fall Down. This book was written by a white person who was not intentional in their writing and there are many microaggressive statements made in the book. It is not a respected piece of writing in our community but is still being used by people to learn about our culture. Listen to us and new writings by Hmong doctors and culture professionals. Thank you!
@@Shou1020 Was the book filled with facts?
I grew up around lots of Hmong in Wisconsin. Very stand offish and keep to themselves mostly.
@@cassierhodes1191portions of the book are exaggerated and not communicated well
@@scthomas1982when referring to a community you say Hmong PEOPLE. Not just Hmong.
I could actually believe that she did it after a seizure. My husband has them and even in his hazy period, he's up walking around and doing things, including having full conversations. In fact, he had multiple seizures the day we renewed our vows, and couldn't remember most of the day, but he was conscious, talking and participating in the activities. In the past, I watched him have a seizure, come out of it, and then go to the bathroom, wash his hands, open the fridge, and pour himself a glass of water. And any time I talk to him during a postictal state, he's very matter-of-fact, to the point, even-toned.
That's so scary. My mum has a history of driving after seizures and since I mabye therefore have it too, it's another BIG reason not to have children. I could never live with myself if something like that would happen
I mean yh u can get up walk round etc (my sis shat in a bag thinking she was on the loo) but to say she must have dropped her on the space heater in such short time frame I mean 11 mins 5 of them in micro so 6 mins to have a siezure (minus 2 ) come round enough to function (personally mine always take a while ) walk from office to kitchen operate micro then get baby out n go bk to office n since she said she woke on the floor with baby by her means she either had another siezure or lay bk down to wake tht way then get bk up realise baby's not right n go to the kitchen to find her mum again it's not plausible in the time frame
But he's never done anything violent right? Why would she put her BABY in the microwave?
@@millybrati think in this case if she had a seizure it's a question of if she would register the act as violent while in such a state.
a lot of people with ADHD have put weird things in the fridge so a young mother accidentally killing her child is horrible but maybe medically she needed more or supervision
I'm almost finished the video but I'm trying to figure out the motive to kill your own child, while pregnant in 11 mins ...I don't see a malicious angle without people seeing signs
@@morethanyourbasics i have adhd and sometimes the brainless actions are simply "i have an inkling this object needs to go somewhere." a baby in the microwave to a "concious" person is obviously harmful but to someone like me the baby is the object that needs to be placed somewhere, the microwave. neither are registered as dangerous because they're separate. it was mentioned she could have been trying to warm up a bottle for the baby, meaning she was thinking of both the baby and microwave, so i think it's fair to say a stupor could have caused the misplacement. as for pressing 5 minutes, im sometimes unable to comprehend text or numbers, like when you read a page and realize you forgot to pay attention to it. the 5 button may as well have been a random button. as for why she left the baby in there so long, she passed out didn't she? but even with JUST adhd (comparatively less dangerous) i also forget i'm microwaving a fork until it starts to spark or that i'm mowing the lawn until i run into the fence. the only reason we people with adhd arent forgetting we're driving and running over pedestrians every day is because 1. we hopefully get to have access to medicine but 2. we try our best not to multitask. this is simply impossible for a new mother who's pregnant and whose condition far surpasses adhd.
Reading the comments and testimonies in the video from people with seizures, it really seems likely she didn't do this on purpose. Having three children with no history of harm adds to this
No one in the comments even has said they could have a seizure and then recover enough to pick up the baby, force it into the microwave, turn it on, cook for 5mins, and then get her out of the microwave all WITHIN ten minutes. The time frame is what ruins the probability of a seizure being realistic. Even the expert doctor who has spent his life's work with seizure patients, says it's not possible or not probable at the very least. Even the mother in question isn't saying anything about seizures at first. The only thing she really said was that the baby was tracking something with her eyes and then she mentioned spirits. It seems like she was scared that her daughter was either having a seizure herself or she believed she was possessed and decided to 'save her soul,' by burning her to death the only way she could get away with it in such a short time aka the microwave. It's awful but it appears to be more probable than her being the only person who has that serious of a seizure, then gets her baby shoves it in the microwave, pushes at least 3 buttons, waits the 5mins, takes her out, shuts the door, then goes to the bedroom only to collapse and drop the baby while falling and then ten minutes are up and her mother appears. She wouldn't have to have post partum to do that, just believe she's doing what's best for her daughter
@@smithamy1982many people in the comments have shared their own experiences with them being in a trance or “zombie” state after a seizure and doing odd things. If one of those people had a baby in their hands while getting ready to make a meal, their brain could absolutely mix up tasks and do something horrible.
The outcome being the death of a child is the only reason it feels different than any other postictal state action. If she had put her phone in the microwave no one would question it, but because it was her child so many people like you are refusing believe her brain could have misfired that horribly. It’s hard to consider but it is absolutely possible.
@@Elle... Again, your right that people have shared stories of doing strange things, however, not within ten minutes. Since the microwave was on for 5mins and the entire situation happened under eleven minutes minus the five for the cooking, that leaves her minutes to have the seizure, get the baby in and out of the microwave, take it to the bedroom and drop to the floor with the baby and come out of it. People who have shared their experiences are talking about their situation taking hours, even days but not under eleven minutes. Also, she would have had to have the seizure before putting her in the microwave, yet she collapsed with the baby after microwaving her. It typically occurs with the person collapsing while having a seizure, not after at least 6mins of having the seizure, so that's odd as well. It's those details that I can't get passed
@@smithamy1982 ok tinfoil hat man
@smithamy1982 you ain't a doctor so stop
My microwave is one press. If you press 5, it automatically starts with 5 minutes.
Same here! It just wont go past 6 minutes
Same
Yes, mine too
Yes, mine too.
Mines 9
Hi Steph
Im from South Africa and we could really use your platform to bring justice. The more noise the world makes, the less likely it is for our justice system to fail us. There was a girl from Caledon who attended Overberg Highschool. Her name is Deveney Nel and she was 16. She was murdered on the 7th of August 2024 by another classmate, Francios Brand who is 17. He beat, raped, stabbed and strangled Deveney to death on the school premises during a school sports day. He proceeded to hide her body in a store room where one of the teachers ended up finding her. Francios Brand helped search parties, knowing what her did to her. When he was 13, he raped an 11yr old girl and left her covered in blood with a wire around her neck. He got away with it, no charges or anything. We need someone with a large platform like yours to spread awareness of the femicide happening in South Africa. We want justice for Deveney Nel and all the other women and girls who has suffered at the hands of men. Please Steph.
Edit: Between the start of April and the end of June, there were 966 women murdered, and 1644 attempted murders of women. There also has been 314 children murdered and 243 attempted murders. South Africa remains with the highest femicide rate *globally*
Enough is enough, so I am pleading to SPEAK ABOUT THIS. No matter how big or small your platforms are, we need to be the voices for those who can't speak up.
Oh my god! 😨
@@RainbowSprinklesYT the worst part of it all is that this could've been prevented 💔
Commenting so she's sees this :(
@@1998RememberMe tysm 🩷
Commenting to push to top. This is so heartbreaking 💔
When my second child was born my great-grandmother had been diagnosed about a year or so prior with Alzheimer's. She kept asking to keep my daughter. So I just randomly asked her one day where do you heat up a baby's bottle and she said in the bathtub. Then I asked her where do you bathe the baby and she said in the microwave .
That's because of aphasia most likely. So she thinks she is saying the right word cuz the brain is picking the right word but her mouth says a different one.
😮😮😮😮😮
Wtf. That’s so scary.
So if that's your great-grandmother, then your child is her great-great-grandchild, right?
@@lllRocketlll and why she never got to keep my child.
I'm a midwife in Chile, I had a teacher who told us a story of postpartum psychosis* is, where the new mum lived in the country side and managed chickens for a living, and she genuinely believed that her newborn was a chicken and she needed to kill them for food. In a spare of the moment when no one was looking, she separated the head of the body (un-aliving the bby), she told us this story so we can understand the severity of postpartum psychosis and pp depression
Al fin una compatriota viendo a badabimbadabu
Psychosis*
@@ellyettepaige thanks, English is not my first language
@@danissamedina5755you did very well there if English is not your first language! 😊
What a horrific situation. Obviously, I feel bad for the baby, what a dreadful way to die, but I also feel awful for the Mum. She carried the baby for 9 months and then, due to illness, her baby is gone and her hands are the ones that ended the baby's life (note that I didn't say the Mum was to blame nor did I imply it was the mum's fault, because she isn't to blame, it wasn't her fault). Do you know what happened to the Mum? Was she sent to prison? I hope not. Yes, she killed the baby, but she couldn't help it. Its all just so sad.
@@emiliacruz9636Que epico saber q mas gente de aca latam ve badabimbadabum
I LOVE how you described epilepsy and seizures. I’ve grown up watching my little sister experience seizures since I can remember.
She’s had a number of grand mal seizures. I remember in grade school I’d wake up lot early in the morning to the sound of sirens. I’d walk down the stairs to see her on the floor turning purple, convulsing and vomiting before going unconscious while the paramedics surrounded her struggling to help.
She takes seizure medication everyday and she doesn’t get those type of seizures anymore but she has TONS of absent seizures every single day. She’ll be in the middle of a conversation or walking then just stop everything she’s doing and she’ll just freeze like a statue while her eyes just look dozed off. They only last a few seconds and if you don’t look closely you won’t even notice that it just happened.
There is no "ppl dont do x y and z" during/after seizures. It is one of the most under researched disorders in medicine and it happens to be very common and with astronomical variables.
you would think after something like this, they would give it more attention... but then, if you're that compromised by a seizure, will someone be able to stick to those rules? If I can't tell if I'm microwaving a baby, I don't know that I'd have the sense to remember "don't use a microwave"...
How bout they just aren't allowed in the kitchen period. Or the appliances are unplugged until they are used and no more leaving her alone with children.
No it's not her fault she has seizures but she is responsible for taking precautions to protect her children. There is no need for children to be put in the high stress situation of seeing their parent go through that. And people in postictal phase can become violent if the right triggers are pulled. Sweetest people can get extremely violent.
But in this case.....she did this.
It's obvious.
@@BuildingFuturesThroughAction As if losing a child isn't enough, you're blaming her for having a medical emergency. Your magical solutions aren't practical and there was no way anyone could've known she was about to have a seizure.
Thank you so much! As a person who has epilepsy, I have been told by non- epileptic people, "that's not a seizure" first off, you can't choke or bite your tongue while having an extreme seizure. Second, everyone is different with seizures and epilepsy. I really appreciate you saying this.
How would someone even know they could microwave their baby like this in the first place? You write that as if it's just something they should have known and protected against 🤦♀️ it is so inconceivable in the first place - would you know to take precautions against microwaving your baby?
New fear unlocked: industrial microwaves
Right??!!
Same!💯
Pffft I’m not afraid of em, hell, I didn’t even know they existed till now, so I’m pretty sure I’m safe 😂
No new fear- PEOPLE MICROWAVING BABIES
@@lIlzerolIll facts
As a person with epilepsy I want to thank you for going into detail about the different types of seizures. I have temporal lobe epilepsy with focal motor seizures (including myoclonic jerks), simple partial seizures, and of course temporal seizures in both lobes. Most people I talk to about it have no idea there are more than just grand mal seizures or they don’t know the differences. So thank you for shedding light on the condition. 🙏 The feelings one gets before a seizure are called auras. Each patient experiences different symptoms with each aura.
Interesting. I get migraines occasionally and one symptom I get before the migraine is an aura, like flashing lights in my vision.
My sister in law used to have epilepsy (she had brain surgery so she doesn't anymore) but it was pretty severe and she had all of the different kinds of seizures. Before meeting my husband I had no idea there were more than just grand mal, but they have some wild stories about the other ones.
I have silent seizures where I'll zone out and basically clench my fists and teeth and then wake up after a few minutes according to my dad I don't remember them really
I know people do really strange crap during /after seizures and her adrenaline could have kicked in quickly. Or, she had postpartum psychosis.
@@alexiswagner5388 This sounds like absence seizures. It’s something to discuss with your neurologist since they can be pretty complicated.
I just started watching your videos. The way you explain these stories is like we are friends, sitting out sipping on coffee/tea, and I can feel all the emotions. You express it like you were in the room, like a fly on the wall. Its raw, captivating, and has me waiting for that next sentence.
Babies being born only to die and never have a chance to reach life dreams is depressing
Hello Mr Heisenberg
They don't have "life dreams", stop being foolish.
@@Envi-jm8mi what is wrong with you, dude? Its a real person that died, was murdered tragically. You saying that is utterly repulsive.
@Envi-jm8mi I bet babies have feelings too, and no body should be microwaved alive, baby or not.
@@blue_berry18 What she says is true, I think the most heartbreaking part is she died(murdered by his own mother) and how she died with that much pain.
Hi Stephanie,
There's a huge rape case going on in France (Mazan Rapes) and going through trial rn. A husband has been drugging and setting up his wife to be raped by more than 80 men. He had more than 20k of illegal recordings of his wife, daughter, stepdaughters and even grandkids.
His ex wife wants the shame to change side so could you talk about it ? -It's not a murder but- I think it merits attention.
Edit : he's suspected for a murder case from 1991 (strong evidence)
Edit 2 : Thank you Stephanie for treating the subject
Wow!
@TheeGaoSter the worst is that the victim has done everything for the assailants to be exposed but french media don't show any of their faces or names, only hers
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@maelys7889 well that's bs isn't it? Is it because they haven't been convicted yet?
@Volfan2 maybe ? But they're on the videos raping the poor lady and still contesting because the husband was here, so "it's not rape" (trying somehow to argue they didn't know it is rape). French media doesn't historically respect the innocence presumption and would publish pictures even against police orders s
This reminded me of the case of a man who got hit with an axe to the head and lost the top part of the brain during the night and he woke up next morning, picked up the newspaper outside, got locked out of the house, found the spare key outside under a rock then he walked in and fell dead to the floor. I think he even did the laundry and served himself breakfast before dying.
Edit: found the case!
Peter Porco had been attacked in the upstairs bedroom. The medical examiner counted 16 wounds to Peter’s head…wounds consistent with an axe.
He had come to and, in what appeared to be a daze, had gotten out of bed and started going about his usual morning routine. He got dressed, walked downstairs, poured himself a bowl of cereal and went outside to get the morning paper. At this point, the front door swung closed behind him so he retrieved the spare key hidden in a flowerpot and let himself back in before, sadly, losing consciousness and bleeding out at the foot of the stairs.
@@freyathais holy shit. That's insane.
Great story and told in under a minute.
I REMEMBER THAT FORENSIC FILES EPISODE!!
@@vvelasco54 found the case, the victim was Peter Porco. I'll edit the post with the info.
Bending over to pick up the key did him in!
All the defense had to do to rebut the prosecution after the pediatrician’s testimony was to ask them, “did you diagnose her as negative for postpartum depression?”
Postpartum depression doesn’t strip you of free will.
Murder is murder, no matter how you feel at the time.
@@tell-me-a-story-she doesn’t have postpartum is what I was saying.
@@tell-me-a-story-post partum psychosis does though, you are not in control of your own mind during an episode
Yeah, They say she must have had postpartum depression to do this. I don’t think depression can turn someone into a murderer. It just doesn’t make sense they argued this.
Imagine suffering a seizure and coming back to consciousness and to find out you just microwaved your own baby. I can't imagine the pain or the shock for a mother to realise you just killed your own child that you tried to have for so long. Or the pain of realising you killed a little human being and how much he suffered for those 3 minutes.
I kept thinking that. That itself would take me out completely.
I have Generalized Epilepsy. I have both petite mal and grand mal seizures. I was diagnosed at 11 and I am now 38. I can feel both coming, it's called an aura. They are VERY scary and embarrassing. I do foam at the mouth, my eyes roll to the back of my head, etc. I only know that I've had a grand mal seizure if I wake up in a different place than where I fell asleep or "fell out", my tongue is so sore I can't talk, my body is BEYOND sore, I have bruises EVERYWHERE, etc. Trust me, I have stories, scary stories.
I'm so glad that you educated people as well covering this story! Thank you so much!!
I hope you are faring well 😢❤
@throwawae thank you! I'm doing well! My doctor and I have found a medication that works, so things are going well ❤️
Also, after a grand mal seizure, I sleep for a couple days. They really wipe me out. I have zero energy. When my energy does start coming back, I do just go through the motions until I'm "fully functional" again.
My honest opinion is, that it was a bit of both the Epilepsy and PPD. She might not know that she has/had it, some woman don't. Depression is an ugly thing. When she has a seizure, then the young kids act up and won't listen, and she got overwhelmed. She did the next best thing, (in her mind), did away with poor baby Maribel. Then used her seizure episodes as a reason/excuse for what happened. She clearly had some PPD here. She didn't know what to do.
@@countryhippie627 That is good news, it sounds so hard to deal with
When I was at camp as a child, I think 10 maybe 11 the girl in front of me, first in line dropped out seizing. She fell between the cabin and stone first step. She fit perfectly in the weird gap. She was OK to finish the seizure where she was, I put my hands on either side of her head and the teenage counselor yelled that we need to pick her up and shove something in her mouth. I looked at her like she had 7 heads and firmly shook my head no. Seizure ended, girl came to and two others helped me get her up, she was tiny but in an awkward position and her muscles weak for a bit after. We walked to the nurse. Counselor was already there and told she was wrong by the exasperated nurse, girl was OK. Only thing that really happened is she and her bunk buddy were asked to swap because she was on the top bunk and they didn't want her to fall from that height. Thankfully I think that mouth thing is not the common reaction anymore. I hope you find a medication that leaves you seizure free or very limited if they do happen. They tested me as a child. I just have sleep paralysis, which is odd on its own but nothing like a seizure. ❤
It's possible the voices she hears or the spirits she sees are pre seizure auras. This is common.
That or as others pointed out characteristic of temporal lobe seizures or tumours.
Yall will say anything to avoid the truth. Demons. @@felixhenson9926
Yeah it seems like she’s interpreting her auras through her own cultural lens, which makes a lot of sense. I would imagine most Hmong people who experience seizures have a similar interpretation of what they’re experiencing
I used to see people that I didn't know or people I didn't know before I had and he used to freak people out because it's like they would tell me stuff then I will wake up out of it a couple hours later to be like somebody you know I saw dead people and people would look at me weird
@@lindabarrett5631 One word. Demons.
Note to self: stay away from industrial-strength microwaves
Makes you think of that poor girl who was "found" inside a Walmart industrial strength microwave 💔💔 I hope she passed fast and didn't feel all that 💔💔
I have epilepsy and here are some of my personal experiences.
I have had a seizure while cooking food before, specifically using the microwave. The only thing I remember is filling a pot with water and putting it on the stove. I woke up on the floor of my living room roughly 25 minutes later when my family returned home. We acted like Sherlock Holmes to concluded that I had not filled a pot with water at all(fake memories are a thing that can happen during these seizures). The pot was empty and laying upside down on the stove. We found my glasses bent on the floor under the microwave cart and a paper towel with a single chicken nugget inside. (Note that the nugget was nearly frozen. We think I might have put it in for less than 30 seconds since the outside was very defrosted.) The sides of my tounge had also been biten badly.
Prior to my tonic clonic seizures, I have an "aura" phase. My head feels dizzy and light, as if I stand up too fast, and physically, I will see colors and feel fuzzy. After, in the haze phase, I will pass out and wake up constantly, crying and asking what happened. My haze lasts around 15-25 minutes. After I will be normal, but physically tired, like I ran around the block a few times.
Another phenomenon I've experienced is fake memories of what happened before a seizure. Once it is particular, I remember going to my room and setting up my painting supplies and painting a flower. I felt as if i fell asleep and teleported to the ER, with the taste of blood in my mouth from biting the sides of my tounge so hard i could see my teeth indents for weeks. According to my mother, I never went to my room and never painted.
Sorry for the rambling, I just thought this could be helpful for those curious. I do take 1000ml of keppra a day along with B6, and have not had a grand seizure since. HOWEVER I still have my absence seizures to this day. They last only 15 seconds to 45. My coworkers(at a coffee store) say I have a glazed look in my eyes, and autopilot make a cup of water for no reason.
For those that are curious and have questions, I'm happy to respond!! I have experienced many forms of seizures over the years, and I have a few friends having one off seizures or epileptic.
That was indeed very helpful and interesting! Thank you for sharing your experience and I wish you a very happy life =)
I’m sorry you have to go through that. It sounds quite terrifying. In regards to your absence seizures, is it possible for someone to bring you out of it? And if so, should they? I know in some sleep walking cases they say waking someone might cause harm and to instead wait it out unless the person is about to hurt themselves on something.
Honestly, since they are so short and don't cause harm, many people around won't notice them happening. I personally don't know if trying to stop them, or "wake them up" would work.
However, once at work, I had one where I just stopped and stared at the wall for around 15 seconds, and my coworker tapped me a few times and it didn't do anything. I returned to normal after a few seconds.
Also, no need to worry, seizures don't hurt much, they feel like a suprise nap and waking up groggy. Only things after do, like a bitten tounge, or falling.
I wrote a long comment too. I find yours fascinating. For me. I don't think I had seizures as much as brain reset and I don't believe it's the same thing. Both happened under extremely emotion times ( I divorced my 1st husband, 2nd my 2nd husband was killed on his way to work at 8:49 am 4/12/22. My neurologist said epilepsy is like pregnancy, you aren't kinda epileptic but I think it's more brain overloaded and I shut off .
In my opinion, in any case, it is obvious she wasn’t acting rationally, and wasn’t in the right state of mind to make fully informed or coherent decisions. Whether it is psychosis or the seizure, from what we know, I don’t think she would microwave her baby willingly and with full awareness. If she was fully sane in that moment, and truly wanted her baby gone, she would not microwave it, especially with her mother right outside. I think this was a horrible accident, and her intentions must be taken into account. But, that’s just my opinion.
you say that as if she admitted to taking it out of the microwave, she could have belived that itd be a way of killing the baby that would go undetected and is quick to do. she was often watched over and in the small window where she wasnt supervised the baby is killed and she says she doesnt know what happened as she just happened to have a stroke at that time and recover within 10 minutes asuming it happened the minute he closed the door, she has to have the stroke, get up, go get the baby, put it in the microwave, wait 5 minutes, take it out, and then go get help. to me it seems more probable that it was a opertunistic moment to kill the baby quietly for what ever reason she did it.
I agree with you, she doesn't seem to have any motive to kill her kid, and her statements/actions after killing her baby kind of shows how confused she is. Everyone around her also reaffirms how she is a good mom up to that point. Even the prosecutors side are arguing that she has psychosis and not murder. I kind of wonder how she'll be prosecuted differently if she killed her baby because of psychosis or as a result of her seizures.
Maybe postpartum? 😢
DOES NOT MATTER SHE DESERVES LIFE IN JAIL NOT JUSTIFIABLE AT ALL WHAT SHE DID
@gxosz are you saying that even if she did legitimately have a seizure during the incident and legitimately did not know what she was doing, then she would still deserve to be in jail? If this is your position, how do you justify this?
Given in the postictal state the brain goes in zombie automatic mode, like making food or drink, trying to go shopping or do the vacuuming, like disjointed routine things. It's possibly a survival thing, like the brain is trying to recalibrate. Her last thought before the seizure would've been "My kids will be home soon, so I'll have to make them some food when they get back". She has the seizure, is in zombie mode, and her brain has gone "Make food. Am holding food. Microwave. Cook. Remove. Tired. Sleep."
This makes total sense
I can confirm post seizure, you are in a zombie like state.
I had a seizure whilst driving once, woke up parked at the back of my work with the front wheel completely missing off the axel and the whole right side completely scraped with zero recollection of how I got there. No idea how I didn’t die, Doctor says that the actual fit only lasts seconds but the brain doesn’t become lucid for a while but still functions on like an autopilot. This means I drove 10 minutes down a UK motorway and then through traffic towards my work and finally down a tight alleyway to park in the rear of the building whilst postictal. Crazy.
@@ezura4760 im hoping you no longer drive?
@@AnimeNinjaz I wasn't allowed to drive for a year. After 12 months of no seizures I could drive again. It was a sort of self inflicted thing as I found out later rather than a chronic medical issue.
As many others have noted, I too have known a couple of people who had seizures. Their behavior and mental state, especially in one particular friend, was sometimes very altered following these episodes, at times for days.
I remember once when he put on a suit, tied his necktie in a perfect knot, and laid down on his bed. He laced his hands together over his midsection, closed his eyes, and calmly informed anyone who spoke to him that he was dead.
He remained in that state for hours and was confused for probably a couple of days afterward, after which he had no recollection any of it at all.
I work with individuals with epilepsy, and the prosecution’s neurologist needs to go back to school. There is a condition called post-ictal psychosis that can develop in epilepsy patients with repeated seizures. It’s a state of psychosis that can hit up to a week after the seizure, and last anywhere from minutes to months (in very rare cases). I saw it happen to one man, the gentlest, kindest person you will ever meet. He had a full tonic clonic seizure and about a day later it happened. He had no clue who he was, where he was, was hallucinating, and attacked his best friend. I’ve also seen clients do all kinds of automatic actions after “short” seizures (called complex partial) such as trying to walk into traffic/walls/water, trying to use the stove, etc. If it’s a common action, she absolutely could have done it post-seizure. This woman needs a good neurological team and a psychiatrist, not jail.
i’ve looked for my shoes in the dishwasher after having seizures, walked up and down stair’s repeatedly having no clue, and so much more odd things like crying my eyes out and apologizing for something i’ve never even done before… i dont think people realize epilepsy does more than just give you seizures and that they think after you have a seizure you immediately feel fine and normal
wow I agree with you
@@zo.ie.s I never realised it was more than having a seizure...I hope you have a good support and good treatment. Best wishes
@@nyrawaterdark thank you i appreciate it! And yes! Theres so much to epilepsy and seizures than people think and so many side affects and triggers and flashing light dont affect as many people with seizures as thought to be. I have a constant headache and have trouble standing up or even sitting up some days, its a confusing medical condition. 😅
Hmm. That's very interesting. My boyfriend has epilepsy and he likes to go to the restroom or get in the shower. When his seizures were bad I noticed he'd shower several times a day, kinda just drop everything and get in the showring-forgetting he already had earlier that day.
I have a feeling the people in the comments have not watched the full video, the case is just so weird that even Stephanie had no clue on how to conclude the situation..
Seriously.
There are way too many numbskulls in the comments accusing the mother of murder.
she did a great job covering both sides of the story. i just cannot believe the mother killed her baby knowingly.. her brain didn’t work normally after the seizure.. what a tragedy…
I was almost done with the video wondering when the mom is going to wind up being revealed as an evil murderous monster cause of the comments and it never happened. This is just sad every way around and the cultural differences just made me feel worse for everyone
LITERALLY, they are just commenting to comment
And this is why I don't comment before watching anymore😒
On dramas or controversies in general. If you know that you don't know anything, hush up or actually go through the material so that you can earn the right to talk shit...But god, I'm scared to watch this video.
My son has epilepsy and he acts very strange before and completely confused and incoherent after a seizure. He has absolutely zero memory of the entire event. It’s a very frightening and traumatizing thing to witness. I can see how something this tragic could happen. So utterly heartbreaking.
That's how I used to be too
I stopped watching at 1:24 because I was starting to feel sick just thinking about what happened. I'm a grown man and a Marine Corps OIF/OEF veteran and can't stomach this story.
I have a 2 1/2 month old and just finished watching... it's awful. little babies who have never done anything wrong in their life being hurt should never happen. the baby, family, and the mother all suffered in this story... at least the baby didn't suffer for long.
Yes, you're so special and tough but this is just too much.
I turned it off right here too. I have a 6 year old, almost 2 year old and a 4 month old. The story title makes me want to throw up
I had epilepsy as a child, and I once, during a seizure, walked downstairs, took the milk out of the fridge, and poured it on the ground. Then I had a grand mall seizure.
What's a grand mall seizure? So you had a second seizure after pouring the milk? .. hope you stopped having seizures, not sure if that stops happening in life ..
@@UndreliPquyquygrand mal is the most well known seizure type; collapsing and having full body convulsions.
@@UndreliPquyquygrand mal is the most well known seizure type; collapsing and having full body convulsions.
I had one where I felt nauseous which was probably part of the seizure, got up to get milk since that's my usual fix, and even thought the world was wobbling to the point of almost spinning, and I was about to go down my brain was like "But I'm nauseous, I need the milk still."...
I woke up in a puddle of milk. XD Then I was so hazy, and weak that I had to stay in the puddle of milk for like half an hour.
you were tweaking💀
My theory is that the baby cried and she was trying to heat up a bottle to feed her…. Husband has seizures and has become confused when coming out of them - he has microwaved a fork coming out…
yess, i also read a comment saying they pour a glass of water as they do that regularly every day and seeing as she has 4 or so children, she must be very used to warming up baby milk or formula in the microwave and especially because she has a 2-month-old (I think) child! I also think the baby started crying so she held the baby and began "warming up milk" to calm her and feed her but she got mixed up and instead of putting the bottle in the microwave, she mistook it for a baby! such a heartbreaking case!!!
. I bet she tried to put the bottle in for 50 secs and ended up doing it 5 mins in a haze and obviously she put the baby in thinking it was the bottle
Even without seizures I’ve put dirty dishes in a drawer and microwaved empty clean dishes. I can’t imagine what would happen with someone who was trying to do something in the middle of a seizure.
@@Jyoo609 I had a mug of cold coffee put it down picked up my phone and put it in the microwave PUSHED THE BUTTONS... I watched it make like half a rotation before realizing and opening the door.
ive had all types of seizures since i was 13. I have walked from one end of my high school to the other having no idea how i got there. i think she had a seizure and had no idea what she did
Temporal lobe seizures could fully explain this and could be something she’s dealing with. I could see it. They can cause full on hallucinations, completely bizarre behaviour and the person won’t seem to be having a seizure and may not have all the same obvious symptoms that they did.
Adrenaline could therefore have made her far more clear headed much more quickly, but then she gets tired again as that fades.
The Annaliese Michel case is an example of how bad that can get.
Honestly extreamly sad and a scary situation. The baby didnt deserve that pain and the mother didnt deserve to be stuck with such a dilbilitating disorder...❤
@@darkdest6664 agreed on every word. It’s a tragedy on all sides. I can’t imagine the horrible pain that tiny beautiful baby experienced. Nor can i imagine what her mother must have felt when she’s come to realise what’s happened. I’d argue her persist denial she had a seizures that day may just be….its for her as much as anything. Because if she did…having to grapple with the idea a medical condition may have contributed to having done something like this is unspeakable.
I hope she gets a retrial at least. I don’t think her trial was fair or proper.
There is a real problem with knee-jerk reactions and punitive outrage, obsession with punishment and retribution, among those who enjoy true crime content. I hope none of these find themselves on the jury for any crime comitted by a neurologically disabled person. I am concerned for how this may cause some effect in our society.
@@GreenEyedGoblinmothers who accidentally harm their children get far worse sentencing than fathers. People have ingrained in them a sexist idea of a mother's role that does not even extend to fathers. It's terrible.
I have psychogenic non Epileptic siezures. I black out but still function but do usually weird things. I can have them off and on for days... and I only remember little snippets. I've tried opening a car door for 2 hours, tried to swallow a handful of small screws, tried putting a grocery bag on as underwear for a hr (hubby was confused and trying to get me to stop. But I was adamant apparently) I also will do repetitive movements. This is all brought on by anxiety, stress, trauma. Basically u get so anxious ur brain tries to like reboot like a overheating computer
can i just tell you that you talking to the voice on the side makes you different. i love him especially when he either makes sounds of shock or thoughts "hmph, Whoa,reaaaaly, thats craaaazy,) or when he asks you questions throughout or tries to reason with you. i love it!
People who leave comments on the case without bothering to watch until the end does such a disservice to stephanie and the research team that spent endless hours getting all the facts and covering as much as they can.
It's a disservice to her research, videos, and the overall discussion to try shutting down the conversation... simply because you disagree with their opinion.
Not everyone is going to believe she is innocent. Many people have known and followed this case prior to her covering it. Many people watch videos at a much higher speed - you have no idea if they finished it or what knowledge they have on the case.
Commenting helps her engagement though? Even if they jumped the gun it legitimately is good when people comment. As for people making assumptions I can't blame them, the thumbnail, the title, the typical theme of these stories (IE: Crazy person harms child) it makes sense most would assume its just another monster.
@@ChadOfAllChadsI was just thinking - it does help with engagement. Some people just can’t help themselves 😅
they HAVE TO! Now! 😂😂😂
@@saab-spirit No I mean it's part of how youtubers make money. It does help lol even if what people are saying doesn't make sense.
@@saab-spirit Look it up man.
I had two grand mal seizures… shit was crazy! First time I was literally just sitting on my bed, eating a piece of pizza watching TV, but I was going through a health issue. And then the next thing I know it’s over 13 minutes later and I’m on the ground looking up at four EMTs in my room. I just started to panic because I blacked out. I didn’t know what happened. apparently, my mom found me foaming at the mouth and jerking around smacking my head on every sharp object. She panicked called 911 and I didn’t come out of my seizure until the EMTs were there already in my room trying to load me up. It was so long. The second time I was at work and it was such a busy day… I worked at a bar and I was on my fifth hour with no breaks. Couldn’t even have a sip of water. and I was walking out with two giant trays that were holding five trays of chicken Alfredo and the next thing I know I am on the ground having a seizure. The last thing I remembered was hearing a customer yell “ I am a nurse move away!!” and then I woke up already on the gurney that the EMTs bring. It was a pretty big restaurant with over 200 people and all of them were just staring at me and clapping and once I was conscious, it was so embarrassing. And I was covered in chicken Alfredo. I could never eat that again.😅
But one thing I noticed at least with myself every time I woke up from a seizure I was very aggravated! I remember my mom was the one who called 911 and I heard her talking to the EMT saying that I had a seizure and for some weird reason I got so offended and started yelling and saying she was a liar.. this is very out of character for me… I don’t know why but each time I would get out of a seizure. I was just so angry, but I think it was because I was so confused.
I am not saying this woman has any excuse for what she did. I’m not even fully done with the video. But for some reason every time I had to seizure, I was in such denial, I would get so angry over the dumbest shit, and for some reason, I would just deny that I had a seizure all together. Me and my mother have a very great relationship. I’ve always been raised to respect your elders. I’m an Italian family but for some reason when I woke up from my first seizure and I heard my mom telling them that I had one I literally said “that B*tch is lying!!” Like what the hell I have no idea why I would say that… And I don’t really remember like the next 30 minutes to an hour after my seizures. It’s just crazy what it does to your brain and body! Oh, I was so so so sore! It’s like you just did the most intense work out of your life because all your muscles are tense for over 10 minutes. It’s just such a weird feeling like you don’t feel like you don’t even feel real at least that’s how it was for me.
My hairstylist had a seizure while she was doing my hair. She woke up incredibly aggressive. It was so terrifying to even watch it happen to her, so I can't imagine how it feels to be the one having a seizure 😥
I also have grand mal seizures and I wake up the exact same way. Then after I’m done being aggravated; I turn into a big baby cause I’m so sore. Then my leg (only the left one) shakes for at least an hour after the seizure. It’s crazy what they will do to not only your body but your emotions as well! I genuinely hope you never have to suffer one again🤍
@@kayleighbeaver1378 yeah it’s like you turn into a whole Nother person!! And then you have like only bits and pieces of your memory. Most of my memory is motion based so I just remember being angry confused. I felt like the world was out to get me. I don’t know why. But thank you so much that’s really sweet! And I really hope you never have to deal with that pain again! I would not wish that on my more enemy.
I've had one as well. Was seizing on the floor banging into pretty much every object you can imagine for almost 3 hrs before a family member found me and called 911. Last thing I remember before waking up in the ICU with a breathing tube in and EXTREMELY pissed off (like more than I have ever been any other time in my life) was flashes of trying to fight the EMTS and keep them from taking me to the hospital. I apparently thought they were trying to kidnap me. For some reason, I was having alternating moments of lucidity and being blacked out until they sedated me at the hospital. But, yeah, it was absolutely the most insane experience of my life. It's very hard to describe how it felt, but the anger and aggravation in the periods after was definitely a thing for me, as well.
As a clinical neurophysiologist, when I opened this video before going to work, I was very alarmed by the comments. I'm very glad to come back to people sharing their knowledge and experiences regarding seizures and giving this mother the benefit of the doubt she deserves. It is one of the biggest fears of people with epilepsy who are parents of young children, that something might happen to their child if a seizure came on while they were alone with them. A person's consciousness can be completely impaired during and after a seizure, to the point that they could do the most bizarre things without having any recollection of it whatsoever.
Like Stephanie said, a big problem we have is that to this day, the vast majority of people still think of a seizure exclusively as what we call a generalised tonic-clonic seizure (GTCS), which in simple terms is the well-known person-on-the-ground-having-a-convulsion type of episode. But someone could be blinking slowly and smacking their lips for brief seconds and it could be a seizure, someone could be having a very strong sense of deja vu and it could be a seizure, someone could suddenly smell something bad and it could be a seizure, and so on. The type of seizure will depend on what part of the brain is malfunctioning at the time of the episode and we all know, at least superficially, that different areas of the brain are responsible for different functions, which means that the clinical presentation of a seizure can vary greatly.
I would theorize that this mom had an aura, which for some people can be very helpful in letting them know something is about to happen so they can call for help and/or put measures in place to keep themselves safe, but for many it can be so quick that even people with long-term epilepsy can't make any use of it. After that, it is possible she went straight into a GTCS (incontinence and tongue biting are classic markers) or she might have had a focal seizure beforehand, likely of the temporal lobe (this is the most common type of epilepsy), which does not always but could cause changes in awareness, or there is a smaller possibility she could have had a frontal lobe seizure which can be characterised by hallucinations. This possible focal seizure could have evolved into a GTCS, which would explain the seizure markers. In any case, after the GTCS, she would likely also have what is known as a post-ictal phase (ictal essentially means seizure, post-ictal is post-seizure), during which the brain is, as implied by the name, no longer having a seizure but it has also not returned to the baseline activity. During this stage, the brain waves are typically much slower than they should be as the brain takes its time to recalibrate, which can take several long minutes. The person can be lethargic and go straight to sleep, they can also be very confused, unable to speak or answer simple questions such as their own name and this confusion can in some cases lead to them becoming violent, or they can get up and start doing "normal" things although their awareness is still very much impaired. The person can, unknowingly, be a danger to themselves or others before returning to baseline.
So yes, at any point before or after the GTCS, this mom could have done something horrific without having any idea of what she was doing and then not remember it afterwards.
Before I finish this very long comment, I just want to add - no, this does not mean that people with epilepsy should not be parents or that they should not be allowed to live a normal life with the level of independence that they believe they should be allowed. This is an extremely nuanced topic that causes a lot of hurt and anxiety to the people who live with this condition. Considering how misinformed so many people are about epilepsy and the lives of people with epilepsy, it is wise to not make judgement calls based on gut feelings before doing proper research or reading testimonies from those whose lives are a daily struggle thanks to their diagnosis.
Let's lead with kindness and understanding first and not speak so harshly on what we don't know.
Note: I have a said a lot of what Stephanie already said in the video, but it is clear some people are coming to the comments first before watching, so I felt the need to reiterate. The only thing I would change from what she said, is that in clinical practice, overtime, patients can definitely develop new types of seizures that they never had before, it can happen a year later or decades later.
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@@affa7 as a fellow physician, thank you for the great educational ethical and compassionate comment.
I agree that people are judging because they have this "gut reaction" due to the sheer horror of the case, and they think that the seizure is just an excuse and an attempt to escape conviction because they actually don't know about epilepsy further than a vague image of a GTCS (and infamous spoons in the mouth "to protect from biting the tongue"). And while the general public might be excused for lack of knowledge and for reacting emotionally, the judiciary system cannot be excused for not striving to employ the best scientific knowledge and the most impartial judgement. This case is a pure tragedy and the same as in Andrea Yates' case the mother was failed by the system.
Also I am disgusted by people's attempts to dip into eugenics. It is wrong on so many levels and it proved to be profoundly harmful anytime in history whenever it was employed to make decisions. There is no data supporting the claim that parents with epilepsy (or any other disability) pose any more danger to their children than others, and actually reckless and negligent disregard of safety measures along with voluntary abuse are much more significant as a cause of injury and death.
I'm not an expert, and I agree with you. While in the military, I had a friend who had seizures, and he was the same way as this woman. He was walking and talking like normal right after, but never remembered anything he said nor did. Pretty interesting.
Incredibly informational comment, thank you!
Thank you. You do not need to go to this one diagnosis for misundertatment... Some people are suprised to this day what does only depression to some people... And depression is not so close to sth like demon possesion or else... I don't have seizures, but had many panic attacks and there you go too - some people are inhospitalized for throught that it is heartattack... Or sth in veins in brain. Brain is so misunderstood to this day, that even a doctor and neurologist can understand it very differently...
And for this video... I don't know what to think... But it is definetly sad. And it is sad, that justice system is not perfect anywhere... Not even in very highly educated states that are not under totalitary system of some sort (or they was not so far in past). (I'm trying to say, that I see some True crime stories that have victims staying in prisons... But english is not my native language, sorry for that.)
59:08 I do think it's important to note that some microwaves will start with just one button press. The microwave in my kitchen needs 2-3+, the one in my grandma kitchen only needs one. Either the start button for 30 seconds or one of the numbers for 1+ minutes.
My microwave doesn’t even need to be turned on it just automatically turns when you open and close it
The microwave in the break room at my work it takes one button to set the microwave to 4:00 and start immediately.
Weird things can happen during seizures. My grandma and aunt are epileptic, and I lived with them during my childhood. My grandma once drank hot candle wax to "warm up" because she was too cold in the winter. Another time, she tried to undress in our driveway because she thought it was her bedroom. She also climbed up a tree because she thought the baby birds were in danger because she saw a leaf fall from the tree. TW! Once, my aunt also tried to take her own life via overdose during a seizure. From my experience, people doing unusual things during a seizure are very common.
wow.
That is so scary! 😭😭
Hmong gal here! Hmong people believe that children can see ghosts until they lose their first tooth. Ka may have been freaked out when she saw the baby’s eyes moving around thinking there was a spirit nearby. My mom told me that when my older brother was a baby she was changing his diaper and he was smiling and pointing to the ceiling saying “ka-ka” short for “meskas” pronounced “mee-ka” which means American in Hmong. I’m sure this was translated when she said she saw a white ghost outside the window. Interesting how both were considered white lol, perhaps it was just considered foreign.
Oh how interesting! Yeah it's very odd if a baby is doing any of that before 12 months old
In my nation and religion we believe kids can see angels before they are 2 years old.
So I can understand that believing.
Often when I look after my nieces (they are really young) they will look somewhere behind me or somewhere else and randomly smile and act like they are trying to communicate you know they make sound like they do when they response to adults who are talking with them in baby language but sometimes when baby's do that they smile and "talk" to somewhat in air. Like you can place them in their bed and they will smile and "galk" and looks somewhere randomly.
We believe they are talking with angels at that times.
People need to start watching the video before leaving comments. This case is far more complex than people seem to realize. Yes, what she did was horrible, but she more than likely was in a state of mind where she had no awareness of what she was doing. It's a tragic incident that is very hard to comprehend the full depth of.
Exactly that.
I wonder if they would yell "murder" at someone who got stroke while driving a car and hit someone with it because of that
@@CatCheshireif she placed her baby in front of the car while having a stroke, got in the car and then drove over it, then it'd be a closer comparison. and yes id imagine people would call her a murderer.
It would still technically be murder so yes. @@CatCheshire
She shouldn't have been alone with a child.
What if we did watch whole vid & just don’t agree w u?
When she said "won't be the last until we start taking postpartum seriously" that hit hard. It's so so horrible that nobody takes it seriously and that these mommas don't get the proper care it breaks my heart. Im not a mom and I don't know that I will be any time soon but my biggest fear is getting ppd after pregnancy it's a scary horrible thing to experience. And by no means would I ever make excuses for a momma killing her baby but ppd needs to be taken seriously in certain situations in order to help those struggling with it because without proper care and/or diagnosis it can cause some really messed up things.
Postpartum psychosis is horrifying. My friend’s cousin experienced that. There wasn’t a whole lot of warning. She did have postpartum depression, but it appeared very minor and no one was concerned about it. Her cousin was just more emotional than normal. Nothing unexpected. Then one morning she *completely* changed. Her husband woke up at 6am for work, walked down the stairs, and saw his wife just slicing her arm with a kitchen knife. She had 40-something cuts. She told him that if she didn’t do it to herself, she would do it to their baby. He immediately ran upstairs, grabbed their baby, ran outside, and went into the Starbucks across the street. He didn’t have his cell phone or even shoes on. He begged them to let him use their phone, explaining situation. He completely understands that it was postpartum psychosis, but it traumatized him so much that he moved back in with his parents (with the baby, of course) and they divorced a year later. My friend’s cousin is doing great now. This was 17 years ago.
I'm calling bs on that epilepsy doctor. My sister is epileptic and I've seen her use the stove and microwave right after a seizure. It is absolutely possible for her to have put her daughter in the microwave for 5 minutes and have no idea what she was doing. For her to have 100 seizures, she's definitely suffered brain damage. Every seizure causes brain damage, especially grand mal seisures. Under no circumstances should she be in prison right now. As someone who has witnessed another person have several seizures, I've seen the things that can be done and it's more than muscle memory or minimal actions.
💯 I have watery masses from viral meningitis that caused me to have seizures for 3months.. I had a few different types during that time and afterwards I had to pull out of university because my brain function was impaired. I was diagnosed with late onset severe ADHd as a result. Each seizure impaired your brain in different ways. Eventually your brain doesn’t work the same as it did before.
This is honestly heartbreaking :(
Psychosis needs to be taken more seriously
You didn’t even watch it yet! But true
how can you rate the vid when it were just downloaded ?😭
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@@jesuisuneoie5226 "mom microwaves 2 month old" I think the title itself is very heartbreaking tho
I really wished they would have checked the mother's tongue. Because when I have a seizure, I bite my tongue sometimes. If she did have a seizure, this shouldn't be considered murder it should be considered a sad tragedy. 😢
Not everyone bites their tongue during a seizure.
Regardless if it’s a tragedy and you’re having a psychotic episode after a seizure it’s completely wrong and insane to microwave a baby and you cannot justify it just because of a seizure. Unfortunately there needs to be justice. Whether that’s going to prison or a mental institute. If you don’t have the Holy Spirit on your side you allow yourself to be open to demons.
@@SarafinaSummersno, but its reported she had done so, so they should have checked.
yes and it’s reported that she had a lisp whilst approaching her mother,it is possible she had a seizure and bit her tongue.
no but it is very common@@SarafinaSummers
I have severe seizures and I can confirm that bizarre things are done during/after seizures. You think you're doing something completely different and then maybe even don't remember it after
Every single day, I make Ramen in the microwave, the instructions say to cook them, ironically, for 5 minutes. Every time I use the microwave, even when im not making the Ramen I have to really force myself to think about how long I want to heat something up, because my body automatically wants to press the 5 0 0 and start. I don't suffer from epilepsy, so I can completely see how this is possible. I feel so horrible for the whole family, especially the mother. I can't imagine what she must be thinking and feeling.
every single day brother? 😭
Hi, yes Hmong person here. There is no term for "Seizure" in the Hmong language. The term seizure comes from the old words literally translated to "offending the spirits" or "taken by spirits" because back in the old country, seizures were a sign of spirit-walking or spirit-talking or communing with spirits.
In the case of Ka, she is no longer of the old faith, but she is still using the old words for "seizure." I hope this helps!
My grandmother has epilepsy and when I was a baby she had a seizure and tried to bounce me like basketball. Just a bruise on my bottom but definitely a scary moment. She gets very confused and does strange things. She also has a seizures that cause her to space out and have a blank stare on her face. I think it’s definitely possible for this to be accidental.
I Love the back and forth with you and your husband. Story time with you must be awesome. The way he is all in and asks questions is soooo special. He hangs on every word you say most of us can't get our husband to listen to us say the house is on fire😂 much ❤❤❤❤ to you both
At first I was grossed out but then now I empathize with her and her baby who passed, especially the other kids 😭😔these things are so sad
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i felt the same way, i can’t imagine how HORRIBLE she feels for doing that to her beautiful daughter in a phase she can’t control.
@@forcedhaircut reminds me of a case where a sister stabs her brother to death. She didn't understand what was going on at all. Poor babies. People need to take these medical issues more seriously. I guarantee she didn't even know she was diagnosed with having seizures, especially because most Hmong people do not understand modern medicine.
Hello, i would first like to say I love watching your videos! This is my aunt ka's case that happened 13 years ago. She is now out of jail and i'm forever thankful for Auntie Kue for helping us get out ka out of jail
Hi, I hope your family is doing well now. I'm so sorry this happened.
How old is your aunt now?
She's out?! Thank goodness😢
Oh thank god. I was just thinking what happened after. I hope there's continuous healing for their family.
Seems kinda like a little mental health..
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@@strawberryberryjuice6774 Have faith in Jesus and repent and turn to God to be saved.
I had a Clonic Tonic seizure at the beginning of this year. Beforehand I was already in High Dependency Unit Ward in Hospital due to being in DKA from my diabetes. Before the seizure all I remember is sitting up talking and smiling with my nurse. Then (what I’ve been told is when my seizure happened) I went stiff and fell back, my hands curled and both my arms bent inwards, my mouth also foamed at the sides while my eyes rolled to the back of my head. I was told afterwards I was very fatigued and EXTREMELY tired- because of this I had slept for about 3 days straight however i still had normal movements that you would if you were sleeping at night. However, I just hadn’t sealed or got up. Because I was already in hospital and my nurse acted quickly and responded to my seizure straight away as she was already with me at time of seizure, she gave me an enema to let my body release any bowel movement or bladder movement that was expected to happen. Now skipping after 3 days, i eventually became awaken and “conscious”- so to speak. I do remember also having hallucinations, my mind playing “tricks” on my vision, speaking to myself, mumbling things and having conversations with these people I saw (who were not actually there). I also had an incident the following day, where I was off the IV’s and off any heart ecg monitors, so I was told I had left the ward and ended up on a completely different floor of the hospital, found by two different nurses from a different department who had asked me questions and I was genuinely unable to answer: why I was in hospital, what ward I was admitted to, why I was out of my ward and what my DOB was. So they took me to A&E where they said they had phoned multiple different wards and asked if there was a patient missing from them. I was safely taken back up to where I was meant to be.
So I fully understand where this poor mother comes from when she says she does not have one clue. Also seeing the flashing big white light, is how I also describe now what my point of view is from back then. My brain convinced every part of me that the world changed, couldn’t remember or recognise anyone. Seizures are a scary thing. Nobody fully and truly understands this unless you have one nor does anyone know how you truly feel beforehand, during or afterwards any seizure.
That poor baby, I hope she rests well in heaven :(
Amen 🙏🏽
It's horrible and sick for a mother to do that
She will
Poor innocent baby :( she’s in a better place now.
The baby didn’t die, plz watch the whole video yall. This is embarrassing
She deserves a retrial, if not to have the conviction overturned entirely. The fact that the police never bothered to get her any medical attention that could have proven or disproven she had a seizure and what kind it was means that no jury in the land should have ever convicted her beyond a reasonable doubt. That and the fact that police never bothered to confirm her story via physical evidence either (for example, we don't even know if she actually urinated on herself when that would have been so easy to find out just by looking). I think the police and prosecution just got blinded by how horrible that baby's death was and wanted someone to pay for it - whether or not she's actually 100% culpable of the crime.
Unfortunately, tests can't really determine if a seizure happened recently, BUT I agree that they should have at least had her evaluated for physical signs like tongue-biting, bruises, etc. If the prosecutor and defense were competent, they could have used EEG or imaging to at least determine the type of seizures she most likely suffers from. The recovery time of a seizure can be anywhere from a minute to days depending on the type. Was this even taken into account? Of course what she did was terrible, but how could a jury decide what her intention was when the prosecution's medical expert is a questionable neurologist who can't even decide if she had PPP or not?
She killed her child. Regardless of reason. What is wrong with y’all??
@@Silver_Ever if she killed her child bcos of a medical condition that she has no control of, she needs help. not prison time smh
@@Silver_EverIt wasn’t intentional?!?! She wasn’t even in control of her body… Thats not murder
@@curepastel391not necessarily, a ton of evidence proves it was an intentional act, even if they don't have a clear motive. For her to be able to speak with 911, calmly while also giving CPR after supposedly having a seizure that's so bad she had no clue what she was doing while microwaving her baby to death and came up with a different story to tell them all within ten minutes is very highly unlikely. It's easier to believe it was a tragic mistake but the reality is it's far more probable that she intentionally did it. It's not as cut and dry as you believe. It also doesn't help that anyone who would commit that kind of crime would be more likely to cover up their actions with any excuse they can instead of admitting the horrible truth.
I am Hmong and when I was a little girl I heard this story, literally shook me and all my siblings. Thank you covering this story, it made me have such a different view of the situation. I would also say, back then Hmong people weren't well-known and did not have the resources or people they needed to protect them or translate what they truly meant. What a tragic and heartbreaking story.
as a person who has black outs i believe she didn't do it op purpose because i once had a black out and when i stood back up after i fell the cabinet in front of me was open so i believe i opened it myself so i may not see anything or understand but i can still move for a few seconds
There is no way she intentionally did this. It is extremely rare that a loving mother would snap and torture in the most horrific way known to humanity. She was completely out of her mind. Whether psychosis or epilepsy.
I’d argue there’s no way this happened. Those other cases of babies inside microwaves all had every severe visible burns from far less time inside than Mirabelle. Full thickness burns, amputated limbs.
I can’t get to Mirabelle even being in the microwave, i don’t think that’s even close to having been proven.
@@GreenEyedGoblin How else would she have gotten radiation burns though?
@@starzrvv they don’t know that’s what they are, they’re just assumed
@@GreenEyedGoblin thats literally not true she explained different types of burns that were analyzed and that these were clearly radioactive burns and that the baby even had elevated levels of radiation, did you even watch the video?
@@CrimsonCrimesYT she explains how it took 4 months and asking other doctors and some went ‘it looks like’
In the cases referred to the babies injuries don’t exactly match Mirabella, to where it raises doubt. Her hair and clothes were not burned or singed, her eyeballs were not burst.
If she was in there it was t close to 5 minutes, it not even sure it was 2. That was whole ass made up, that number.
This situation, in particular, affects me deeply. My mother has epilepsy, and it is very complicated. Each time she has a seizure, she comes back different. What doesn’t surprise me is that no one cared about my mother’s seizure. In general, people don’t pay much attention when someone has a seizure
This is very interesting to me. My (now 16yo) daughter had three febrile seizures when she was little. After her first, she was a completely different child. I spoke to her pediatrician about it, but she accredited her age for the change. I’ve had two other children and yes, they most certainly go through difficult periods during certain ages, but I know that I had a completely different child before and immediately after her seizure. Thankfully, she has grown into a wonderful young lady, but it was a rough road for a while.
I’m Hmong and to answer your question at 26:42 , it’s both literal and the verbiage, depending on your beliefs. The hmong, historically, come from a shaman background. As a people, when we first witnessed someone with epilepsy, we identified it as spirits entering the body - it’s called, “dab peg,” which translates to, “spirit beating,” (…in the manner of first entering the body and beating from the inside out…). Hmong Shamanism believers still identify it as that, but hmong who no longer believe in shamanism and do not believe in spirits don’t believe in spiritual beatings, but they still call it that as the hmong name for it.
Yes. @Stephanie & others - the Hmong term for epilepsy is literally: Dab peg. Dab = spirit (bad or good, any and all spirits are "dab", but it's usually used in reference to "bad" spirits). Peg = beat. You can get "peg" from your parents or "peg" by the neighborhood kids.
So, yeah, when they're speaking in Hmong, and talking about epilepsy... Whether or not they "believe" in shamanism/spiritual possessions/whatever else.... Then they will call it "dab peg". 💁💁💁💁
like how "malaria" means "bad air", I guess
Can confirm. Dab Peg is the exact word my mother used to describe it. Hmong people did not have much knowledge about such medical issues, so we believed it to be caused by evil spirits.
There are evil spirits and demons Hmong Us!
That was a lot of education about a microwave 😂
Post-pardum psychosis really needs to be taken more seriously. Its caused so much suffering for no reason. I feel so bad for this family. Between the seizures, the potentiality of post pardum psychosis and the fate of little Mirabel and everything else, I can’t imagine the pain they're going through. 💔
i don’t know about other countries but in australia there’s a 12 month period where postpartum psychosis is a complete defence for this type of thing. it’s called infanticide
She definitely had psychosis I don't think the seizure could have done this.I just don't. I have epilepsy I can't see what my seizures look like but all I know is that I've been told my body clenches up and If I'm sitting down I'll stand up then fall over because all my muscles are clenched up and I'm shaking I don't see how someone could not only put a baby in a microwave but then close the door and start it while having a seizure it doesn't make sense to me
No it doesn't!!!!
Absolutely correct! Women also need to not be stigmatised for it. Unless you have been through this, then you have no idea how terrible it is and the awful insane thoughts you have that seem completely normal at the time!
all my microwave needs to run for 5 minutes is to hit the number 5 and shut the door
Yeah same
Mine too
To be fair though, different microwaves have different methods of use, hence why they brought experts on that specific make.
Mine is a pretty old model and it also does this.
To turn on my older microwave, I just close the door and turn the wheel. The more I spin, the more time is added.
On the other microwave, I have to press the button for every 30 seconds. That means I would have to press the button 10 times.
However, I believe that in a specific seizure, one would be able to turn on both. It's super easy movement.
I’m only at 24:44 in the video but If the baby’s eyes actually were flicking back and forth, well my brother’s eyes did this as a baby and he had meningitis encephalitis and his eyes were flicking because of too much pressure on his brain. It was essentially brain damage and seizures.
maybe the baby inherited the seizures
@@ilovetopop yea that’s what I was thinking and then when Stephanie suggested it as a motive later in the video it confirmed that as a possibility. But, after watching the whole video, personally, if I was on the jury, I think there’s too much reasonable doubt to have convicted. At least, based on all the info Stephanie gave us. Seizures are complicated and the way my brother acts sometimes when a seizure is coming on can be bizarre.
My seizures last HOURS! And i never remember anything after
Ka and her family lived in my home town for years before moving up North. All through her childhood and teens, she had always had episode of seizures and blackouts. We new what she did was not intentional. She was sick and her parents are farmers as alot of our parents are. They cant afford to get her the help that she needs to get a diagnosis. It was really sad to hear about the situation when it first happened and we know she is in for life. To be honest, she never got the medical help she needed. They just locked her up. It's sad all around.
It’s true she has seizures. She used to work on my floor and she had a few seizure episodes while there. A day after one of her episodes, she never returned to work. Then a year later I saw her on the news.
My daughter has severe grand mal seizures, and after a seizure, she is confused and disoriented for a few hours after and usually has no recollection of that day at all.
I don't have epilepsy but I do have DID and non-epileptic seizures (there's anacdotal evidence for a high comorbidity rate, but very few studies on the topic), after my last major seizure I was conscious enough to remember that my mother was dealing with the grief of death in the family and that I shouldn't call her, but also deeply confused about having a dog in my house (I've owned a dog for 5 years). I can also attest to the fact that if you have a seizure and someone tells you "no that wasn't a seizure" you'll just start saying you didn't have a seizure, that's what happened when I called my dad and he didn't want to deal with it, instead of going to the hospital I just went to sleep on his advice. You're highly suggestable right after a seizure and it's very easy to get confused about what happened
Sometimes you can also get suddenly emotional after having a seizure, often either angry or fearful. Your brain can go into a sort of flight or fight mode.
Very, very good points. Seizures are a strange thing. They affect a person for a while after the seizure itself is over, and a lot of the time memory and cognitive function is severely affected temporarily
My Sister is epileptic from a TBI caused in a car accident. After she would have a tonic-clonic seizure, she'd become a different person, almost feral-like. She'd beat anyone who sat with her through the seizure once she came to. It's frightening to witness a seizure and it was frightening to see how she would become so combative.
One of my good friend also has nonepileptic seizures and I've witness them quite a few times when she comes out of them she is always very disoriented and looks around like she's in a haze asks what happened and some people try to tell her it was nothing or they lie and say it was something else entirely and tell her to lay down or whatever while she's still super confused and doesn't even always recognize the person talking to her. I personally have always just taken her by the had asked to sit with me and told her exactly what happened and what she may or may not have done during it.
My younger sister used to have non-epileptic seizures and it was honestly such a horrific experience, watching my sister go through something like that. I was five, she was one. I feel so bad for people who have seizures or knows someone who has seizures because I know the experience of watching a loved one suffer like that.
didn't think i'd learn how it felt to be microwaved today
...do they not realize you can open a microwave before it's done, leaving the time remaining set on the microwave? she'd only need to push one button.
Not even pressing a button, you can just open the microwave to make it stop
@vk01221 I think they mean that she could have just shut the door and pressed START for the microwave to turn on, because it could have been time remaining from a previous use..
@@vk01221 the prosecution argued that it is too difficult and too many coordinated movements to turn on the microwave so she couldn't have possibly done it during a seizure or a postictal state. The commenter meant that depending on the model and settings turning on the microwave can be as easy as hitting one button. I'll add that one button or three buttons is not relevant, because the prosecution was wrong with that part either way. Epileptic seizures present not only as a generalized grand mal seizure where a person falls on the ground and the limbs are jerking with froth coming out of the mouth, during which, of course, it's impossible to perform any actions, but actually it is more common to have partial seizures where only a part of brain is being activated and then people would perform so called automatisms - movements that we are used to perform "on autopilot" without thinking, like brushing teeth or cooking a coffee. It's because our brain is biologically, structurally wired to reduce everything to already learned patterns. But because during seizures these actions are not consciously/voluntarily controlled, they would be off. For example, brushing teeth but without water and toothpaste. Or turning the stove on and putting a kettle on it, but the kettle is upside down and empty.
Yes, the microwave stops with just opening a door but that would require voluntary control which a person doesn't have during a seizure.
Yep
@R_LW1946 Not even that, most microwaves made for the past few years, you can just push whatever number and it automatically starts. Like if you push 2, it goes for 2 minutes, 5 goes for 5 minutes etc. My past like 3 microwaves have all done this.
Honestly I believe the defense. It makes total sense that she would have a seizure, and then in the hazy phase, microwave her baby. Absolutely heartbreaking.
2 minutes ago?
Does it though?
@@__-bz7wh multiple people who have seizures have said this is very much possible in the postictal state since your brain pretty much goes on auto-pilot. to quote another commenter:
"It's possibly a survival thing, like the brain is trying to recalibrate. Her last thought before the seizure would've been "My kids will be home soon, so I'll have to make them some food when they get back". She has the seizure, is in zombie mode, and her brain has gone "Make food. Am holding food. Microwave. Cook. Remove. Tired. Sleep.""
@@__-bz7wh Yeah it does as someone who has seizures although non-epileptic seizures. It can take me 10-20 minutes to get back to a logical functional state I don't remember anything that happened during that time. I have however done things in that state. Things like strip naked, go down the street, once I did start cooking I could have really hurt myself.
It's a danger of having seizures there's a lot of resources that show this theoretically possible. Is it 100% what happened probably not 100% but it's at least enough to bring doubt to the case. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting someone in Jail with this particular set of circumstances.
I have epilepsy, and i have had a seizure where i was found wandering the street by the cops i was told that i was acting like i was on drugs they tackled me i woke up in the hospital wondering what the eff happend to me my mom told me that i had a seizure i have had seizures sinse 15
I saw someone comment that people with seizures shouldn't have children. Every person who can be a good parent despite their disability or illness can care for their children. Most will have a trusted friend, a relative, or join some sort of program to help them out.
I have epilepsy and I know the I'm best at isn't my profession or my military service. What I'm best at is being a dad. I have a 22 yr old and an almost 18 yr old. I am adopting a 15 - and 13 yr old that are from my wife's marriage. Whoever said that isn't very intelligent judging by their comment.
I genuinely think Ka never knew she had seizures. I don't think she was ever diagnosed.
When I was younger I thought I wasn’t going to be able to have children because of my epilepsy, I did a lot of research, found great doctors and with the help of my family I have a toddler and epilepsy doesn’t stop me ever
It just stops me from driving but I can walk and take the bus anywhere
No they're a danger to their children. This is proof. She had support of 2 people and it still happened.
I think in her ‘hazy phase’ she wanted to put the baby somewhere she knew was safe since she knew inherently something was wrong, however she wasn’t in the right state to realize it was a seizure happening to her anxious body; not a home invasion. In the case of a home invasion, a microwave would be an ideal place to put a tiny human you didn’t want to be harmed.
I got myself dressed, rode in a car over an hour, and talked to ppl on the way to the hospital...to this day all i remember is waking up in the hospital. What she did is plausible. the haze may last a different amount of time for others and depending on the type of seizure too..
As someone who has multiple types of seizures, I really appreciate the work you and your team did to explain the different types and how they can affect people.
This case is so frustrating. No one in the justice system is listening to what the mother had to say and did whatever they can to close the case with as little effort as possible.
I don't know if it was laziness or a twisted sense of justice, but it was straight up negligent for the cops to have brushed off her seizure claims and not even note if she urinated on herself, bit her tongue, had bruises, etc. All of these could have been noted as physical evidence for a seizure!
@@natkat4381 there were so many nuances that were plainly ignored and overlooked
They ignore health issues all they want is to "prove" she did it, they don't care if she was in her right mind or not
I hate the justice systems. Cops can go eff themselves
@@erihitsuki that woman literally lied about what happened to her baby at first. Plus she knew she had a serious condition and still kept on having innocent children. What sin did the innocent children commit to deserve this treatment ? She is an incredibly irresponsible woman and deserves to be jailed
This is so so so sad :(. This poor family.
A family member of mine sleep walks to the point, tries to cook, pees weird places , and has crashed the car, wakes up walking in now where in their underwear.
Most of the time it’s stuff he can clean up and we can laugh about, but I feel scared for him.
He never remembers any of it.
The fact that seizures can cause this much confusion/disorientation is SCARY. Its crazy how easy the brain can be short circuted, and is a sad reminder of how fragile life is.
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I suffer with seizures and I’ve been told that I always either try to make a drink or make a sandwich I’ve been told it’s like I’m a zombie doing a repetitive action. I never have any knowledge of doing this or how it’s possible. I have functional neurological disorder so my seizures aren’t full seizures but I do suffer from loss of memory as to how or where I am or what I was doing. Thank you Stephanie your videos are always insightful but this one was sad. The authorities need to learn about these kind of things and the impossible is always possible. Much love to you ❤
Im sorry ❤ I have family who also go through it and some days are just awful for them ❤ I hope you have more good days in your future ❤ please take care of yourself ❤
@@darkdest6664 yes I do thank you but they can happen when walking down the street so it can be quite embarrassing especially when a crowd forms around you. I have to have someone with me when I’m out so I tend to stay home most of the time. But thank you and I hope your family member is ok 💕
I have psychogenic non Epileptic siezures. Basically anxiety induced siezures. I may twitch sometimes with mine but mostly I stare off into a zone or walk around like a zombie. My parents told my doctors it's like I look right through them. I also do repetitive movements for hrs. Or will stumble around slurring or stuttering like I'm drunk or something. I'm usually blacked out during most and don't remember anything but snippets. But I've done some crazy things during them
@@staciebaby7968 my son says I stare blankly and I’m none coherent but I don’t remember. Apparently I slur in my hazy phase but I don’t know. I’m usually ‘not there’ so I have no idea what’s happening. Seizures are scary your brain just stops functioning for a short time then it’s working again it’s bizarre your brain just reboots itself for no reason or just misfires information. I feel for you lovely
My seizures (I call them fetal seizures, since they don't qualify as Grand Mal or even Petit Mal) present as a strong chill across my shoulders & down my spine. The aura might be up to 3 seconds, the seizure itself about the same, & the recovery a couple of seconds up to maybe a minute. I can talk, think, operate, even drive during all phases of it, and medication has never helped noticeably.
As a Hmong person I recognized that these were Hmong names right away. There is so much trauma in our communities. I'm mourning with their families for how much was lost during this tragic event.
I was thinking the same I’m not Hmong but I live in mn and have many Hmong friends and have watched alot of Hmong movies about ghost and spirits(many of my friends are Buddhist)
@Hell.0itsMe interesting 🤯 hmong people aren't Buddhist. We're shaman but that doesn't surprise me 😤💪
@@sleeplessmax Most of us believe in Shamanism, but others have branched off into Christianity, Buddhism, etc. I am a Christian Hmong :)
@@CheetahsShampoo I know a ton of Christians. I'm atheist, but it's false to generalize us to Buddhism haha
We are culturally shaman even if it's not true personally
Crikey just when you think you have seen it all, God bless the little children 🌱
My aunt has epilepsy, and she is almost never herself after it happens. She’s a very happy person, so once she comes out of her grand mal seizures, she’s all smiley and giggly, but she has no recollection of what just happened. Most times, it takes her around a day to come to fully, just because she’s in a deep haze. She can still talk, she can still move, her motor functions aren’t at all stunted, but if you don’t hang out with her after her seizures, she will go on and do things at random. One time she remembered that my cousins and I were at the home, so she wanted to make us food- instead of putting the congee on the stovetop, she put the cauldron in the microwave. We only knew what was happening when it started to pop in the microwave. From my family and I’s experience, I don’t think this poor lady even knew what was happening. It’s so horrible that this happened to her and her family.
Yeah I believe this is most likely the case for the poor mom too
I am Hmong and I’ll give context.
*Why do we resort to spiritual reasonings?*
The Hmong people have a DEEP tie/connection with shamanism. We have practiced it for decades, maybe even centuries. The way how we practice shamanism is to use animal sacrifice as a gift for sprits to gain fortune and health. Depending on the severity of the situation, the animals used could be a chicken to a large cow. We DONT harm any humans during these sacrifices/rituals.
The Hmong people believe in spirits and the spirit world, and we believe in ancestors. Although I don’t have much knowledge about the epilepsy part because I was never told about it from my elders, so what Stephanie is saying could be correct.
*Why did she mention that the baby was moving her eyes side to side?*
Another well-known fact in the Hmong community is that young kids who have not grown their adult teeth are believed to have stronger connections to spirits. Meaning, they are more sensitive to spirits and can possibly see/hear/touch them. That is probably why the mother said that her daughter’s eyes kept looking around like there was a fly. She was probably indicating that it could be the works of a spirit.
*Other information about the spirits*
There is also a folklore in the Hmong community that talks about an evil spirit called a “Poj Ntxoog.” These spirits are seen as little girls that have their feet’s twisted backwards. They are cunning, dangerous, and mischievous.
There is a story of a man who went hunting with his son and he began seeing a little girl following them. The next thing he saw was a deer and he shot the deer, only to hear the giggles of the girl and when he turned back, he had shot his son. These spirits are very strong and yearn to deceive and bring misfortune to people. This, in the Hmong beliefs, could have happened. (Though it’s just purely shaman beliefs and folklore.)
*Why the Hmong people disagree with modern medicine.*
The Hmong people are minorities originating from the Miao people (an ethnic minority from China) during the genocide which killed many Hmong people, we ran to south East Asia and hid in the mountains. This had made MANY Hmong people unaware of the outside world besides the small villages of the south East Asians. It wasn’t until during the Vietnam war where we were found out by the American CIA and drafted into the war. (Both my grandparents were drafted at the age of 11 to 13 years old.) We we’re drafted and we’re told that in return for helping the Americans, we would be awarded freedom and be accepted to America. Which also to mention, the Americans left us for dead, which caused an alarming number of refugees within Thailand. So yes, we are very fresh to America and we’ve only had three generations within America. So considering this, our Elders and people are still very connected to our roots and our culture. This is why most Hmong parents or Elders will argue with doctors. Because most elders have lost that trust within Americans and believe that their medicine will not help, or that Americans are deceivers due to the history of being abandoned by them when they were aware that we would be targeted after the war. And also just the pure fact that, Hmong elders have faith in traditional medicine 🤷🏻♀️
when an American shows up in your country and says "I'm here to help, on behalf of my government" it's advisable you run for your life if it means anything to you.
Thank you for this.
Well most meds here dont heal they cause more problems to make more money so that area id say they are right imo
Thanks for taking the time to write this have you read the book: The spirit catches you and you fall down,?
OMG! Please cover the story of the Hmong mother who killed her 6 kids. It was definitely a sad and tragic story that shocked the community! Would love to hear your version and findings about this case.
OMG!
@@maivang7394 I think this would be a good suggestion for the channel too, since I was barely able to get any information on it. Sometimes I'm not sure how these channels even manage to find the information they do.
Wow😮😢
@@maivang7394 I’ve never heard of this case wow, cases like that in our culture surprises us so I’m interested
Thank you for your time and videos, you are a natural and respectful throughout these terrifying stories. They need to be heard, thank you for being their voice 🙌🏻❤️🩹🙏🏻
I was diagnosed with generalized tonic seizures last year. I didn’t look further into it because I get scared reading articles about it, which leads to self-diagnosis and increased anxiety. Watching this gave me a deeper understanding of what it’s like to have seizures. Most people are surprised when I mention it, so I usually avoid going into detail. Thank you for the information and distinctions you provided in this video.
I have absent seizures and the information she gave was interesting to know I feel she explained it better then my doctor did.
@@Charlotte-t9b I agree! Before my diagnosis, I thought of seizures as paralyzing and making it impossible to function normally, as one would before. It was extremely enlightening.
I think the police and medical professionals robbed both her and the baby a fair trial. Truly unfortunate. I hope the baby rest in peace and may the baby be born a better life in her next one.
people gotta stop commenting before the video is done. this isn’t as cut and dry as most cases. even i, who has a problem with black and white thinking- have no clue what to make of this case. like most of us have no clue what epilepsy or seizures are like. very hard to say. i don’t think she was treated fairly and deserves a retrial. like it makes zero sense that she would do such a thing. and the fact they didn’t believe her to where they didn’t even medically check her. they just needed to charge her no matter what
That woman shouldn't be locked up tf
For me, this is one of those cases where it's better to have a guilty person go free than to have an innocent person behind bars. With no concrete evidence, and, everyone being so unsure of what truly happened, this woman should not be in prison!!!!
Thank you for saying this this is my thoughts exactly! She doesn't have any history of ever harming her children she's a good mom. Nobody can testify different. I'm so sad she's in jail this is not fair. She's already being punished in her head for the rest of your life.
I agree, she needs treatment for her seizures.
I'm tored of the pro-punishment stance in the US. Especially when provate prisons get paid per how many prisoners they have inside.
@@AmS-c5z I don't think we have private prisons. We have city/county jails, state and federal prisons. Guards are paid a set salary, with set benefits, and set raises.
She clearly did the crime, but I don’t think the prosecutors proved without reasonable doubt that it was premeditated murder. She should have been charged on second degree murder and not first degree.
@@dangerousdandelions She clearly did it, but if she did it while not in control of her facilities, is one really guilty? This argument could be made for someone on drugs and alcohol, too, but in those situations, they chose to use. In this type of situation, it's clearly out of ones control.
My husband and I used to work with my husband's aunt, who tends to have seizures. When she has these episodes, she would be a completely different person. My husband's boss would run over and hold her down because his aunt would grab small blades and tools, trying to hurt others.
That's sad
8:37 Radiotherapy, not chemotherapy is what can cause you to get radiation burns. Both methods can be applied to fight cancer.
Correct. Chemotherapy is done via drugs, so the negative effect of chemotherapy is chemical toxicity.
11:50 omg. Just expanded how a microwave works gave me a panic attack… that poor little baby girl 😔😓
My moms has severe seizures and also has 30 minutes to 1 hour of postictal phase . Right after her seizure she tends to do things such as “I have to go out to buy something” or will start doing something so she’s still disoriented and she can’t remember what she’s doing but she is capable of doing things. Although yet definitely can’t write down something, or have a deep conversation or anything like that. Eventually she will feel sleepy and will fall asleep where she sees most comfortable in that moment (the floor, bed, grass) and after she wakes up she can’t remember anything (if lucky she can remember faintly ) but she understands she had a seizure due to her condition.
I'm confused, why is it murder if it's postpardum psychosis but not if it's a seizure? To me it's the same, the person isn't thinking rationally.
I guess in a seizure, it is not only "not thinking rationally" but not being conscious.
Postpartum is serious but precedent has been set that it's the mothers responsibility to reach out for help. Now you can plead insanity but understand that doesn't mean you "get away with it" it may lessen your sentence in some cases dependent on severity but you will still be treated like a prisoner. Best case scenario a prisoner on parole. So not much of a difference. just a difference in treatment. But ka yang was not insane. She was not conscious. She was not having thoughts she needed to seek help for. She had a medical event that was being maintained to the best of her ability and resulted in something unpredictable and could not have crossed anyone's mind as concern. If I'm over here feeling cornered and trapped and panicked and confused and get the idea that it's the baby and the baby needs to go in the microwave. There will be warning signs before and you will be aware something is wrong well in time to take action and seek help. If I am unconscious and think I need to turn on the microwave to help the baby. There wasn't a decision made. Just an action performer. But tbf I think a lot of post partum mothers get way too harsh punishments as well in some cases. A lot of times they needed support and asked for support and it was not available.
This is why women need more support after childbirth. And in general. Their needs are not being met. Leaving the hospital without checking in and not feeling bad about saying, "I dont feel right!" Or whatever your case may be. That is a huge responsibility to carry without more support.
❤❤Hugs❤❤ to all Women!
And to have to work from home with and while caring for four children!
there is more than enpough support shut up. tons of support wtf lol
@@Grwenhuhcme when I lie
@@Grwenhuhc where
Many European countries offer postpartum recovery and care support for women before and after childbirth. For instance, in the Netherlands, a trained professional will visit you daily for a week or two, after you give birth to check on your health, assist with your baby, and answer any questions you may have.
This case sounds so grim, the poor baby. The health system failed her😢