The Shovel Knight Game You Can't Buy (MAYBE OUTDATED?? READ DESCRIPTION)

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  • Опубліковано 14 бер 2021
  • UPDATE: With the announcement of Shovel Knight: Shovel of Hope: DX, it appears this issue COULD be solved, if SoH DX includes Plague of Shadows, or Plague of Shadows is released standalone in the future. Will update this description and potentially take down the video if this is the case.
    A mini buyer's guide for new players, plus an explanation of YCG's whack release history and how they can fix it. The Shovel Knight series has a serious problem with accessibility, and it's time Yacht Club Games fixed it.
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  • @TheSpog
    @TheSpog 3 роки тому +351

    Very well said, and yes plague at this point in time is my fav

    • @zanerobbins3794
      @zanerobbins3794 2 роки тому

      @@joncaiden9496 shitty bots

    • @middlethenerd
      @middlethenerd Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately it's probably my least favorite :( my favorite though is by far specter of torment it's so damn good!

    • @wenofu477
      @wenofu477 Рік тому +1

      its always great to find other Plague fans, its easily the best imo

    • @hollowknightenjoyer
      @hollowknightenjoyer Рік тому

      I liked his campaign but he feels hard to control. My fav Is KoC

    • @thonato295
      @thonato295 Рік тому

      @@middlethenerd ye me too

  • @noiwontsignyourarmpit5263
    @noiwontsignyourarmpit5263 2 роки тому +440

    I know this entire debacle is really confusing and irritating, but hearing that your server voted for Propeller Rat as the best Shovel Knight character brought me more joy than it should've.

    • @confucius9445
      @confucius9445 Рік тому +6

      Hell yes we did. Bropeller rat knight here, we did a hell of a job

    • @jaydenc367
      @jaydenc367 Рік тому +4

      interesting username

    • @tolstartheking
      @tolstartheking Рік тому +2

      @@confucius9445 🅱️ropeller rat

  • @chada4806
    @chada4806 Рік тому +60

    As someone who impulse bought Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove for ~6 bucks as the eShop was closing, I gotta day it is hands down the best bang for my buck I've ever gotten. I already have over a dozen hours and it is the PERFECT 3ds game to pick up and put down at ease.

    • @jakedoesyoutube
      @jakedoesyoutube Рік тому +5

      Same here, I have never made a better economical decision.

  • @netsquire
    @netsquire 3 роки тому +198

    I feel that the best solution would be to make it dlc in shovel of hope since it's so similar to it.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  3 роки тому +67

      I would agree if it weren't for the existence of the cheat code in the old versions of SK, which is why I think it should probably be added for free. DLC is the second best option, though.

    • @randomguyontheinternet7940
      @randomguyontheinternet7940 3 роки тому +17

      @@pikapete2719 You should maybe try and get their attention on twitter for this. Honestly a really stupid decision.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  3 роки тому +17

      @@randomguyontheinternet7940 That is the purpose of the hashtag and this video overall, so that people bring this issue up more to them in general. However I do not feel comfortable directly shilling my content to them like that, it is self-serving and makes it seem more like I want views or to shit on them rather than wanting the issue to just be resolved for the good of the SK community and new fans. So basically I will not be tweeting #FreePlagueKnight or this video at YCG personally (especially since my only account is the DiscOrder official account and not a personal account).

    • @HandsomeFrederickFastbear
      @HandsomeFrederickFastbear 2 роки тому +5

      On switch if you bought shovel of hope it auto updated with the new games.

  • @duoge9139
    @duoge9139 2 роки тому +139

    As someone who played shovel knight since 2015 on the 3ds I was lucky enough to not deal with this branding craziness. I hope people find their way through stuff like this and enjoy shovel knight for what it is and all its expansions.

    • @bredoffender
      @bredoffender 2 роки тому +5

      Oooh me too

    • @sekaideochiban6660
      @sekaideochiban6660 Рік тому +4

      I did that as well, and I still have a 3ds. And Shovel knight.

    • @JoeyCannoli
      @JoeyCannoli Рік тому +3

      Same with me, but I had the Wii U version instead.

    • @deepfriedcats3041
      @deepfriedcats3041 Рік тому +1

      same but on wii u

    • @donnylurch4207
      @donnylurch4207 Рік тому +2

      I also got it new on Wii U. I bought Treasure Trove on Switch when it was still incomplete and just thought it was rad of YCG to honor that Kickstarter promise and keep updating the original release for free. That's unfortunate that it's become such a quagmire for new players, but I can say the full package is certainly more worthy of $40 than most AAA games are worth $60-70.

  • @McLort
    @McLort 2 роки тому +38

    I had no idea there was so much confusion. I kickstarted, got on PC. Played OG campaign, then now years later got physical Switch copy to replay and do all DLC. Great game.

  • @SilverAura
    @SilverAura 2 роки тому +41

    Wow, I didn't realize my little $15 purchase inflated to $40. Thanks for reminding me to check it out again. Here I thought these were just free updates for anyone who purchased "Shovel Knight", I had no idea it got this convoluted.
    After finishing the video, and coming from a very game developer mindset myself, I'd have to agree with your final solution. Not necessarily for the same reason, but because ultimately that's what the original sale for the game was up until the day nobody had a choice before most people even realized that day came and went.
    Re-update Shovel of Hope to an OG variant that includes Plague Knight as the NG.. x? like "Shovel Knight" was until all this confusion started.

  • @StockeTepes
    @StockeTepes 2 роки тому +54

    Very interesting dilemma, as someone who bought the game when it came out in 2014 I didn’t know this was something new fans were going through. I definitely agree with your solution to add it to Shovel of Hope. I hope this gets resolved so people can play this amazing part of Shovel Knight!

  • @shadedzeal8482
    @shadedzeal8482 2 роки тому +81

    Jeez, the Great Rebranding™ really was a freaking mess. Hopefully YCG learns from it and doesn't do this type of thing for future titles.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  2 роки тому +23

      It was definitely a result of the Kickstarter goals. SK would be a WILDLY different game if it wasn't for them

    • @harrylane4
      @harrylane4 Рік тому +4

      Kickstarter is more-or-less dead, and YCG has made so much money off of shovel knight that they’ll never need to use it again, so we won’t see anything like this

    • @egeyaman4074
      @egeyaman4074 Рік тому

      Don't they still use it for their next game?

  • @jasan9973
    @jasan9973 3 роки тому +39

    I find it funny that in the theoretical Mega Man situation you specifically chose Mega Man 2 as the game that would get excluded. Because let's be honest, if it was something like 5 that got cut, some people would still get mad, just... way less of them. Overall, great vid as always, realized I wasn't subscribed and immediately fixed my mistake.

  • @swampgurt
    @swampgurt 2 роки тому +10

    I feel like this video could’ve been cut in half, I was confused the first bit, but once I understood the problem I was on your side. I actually was just looking up videos on Shovel Knight as I beat the original years ago & wanted to beat the other knight’s stories, so thank you! I hope they fix this soon, or if not people see your vid before buying

  • @saifuusuri
    @saifuusuri 3 роки тому +43

    Both times I got the game, I got Treasure Trove due to becoming a fan way after all of this happened, so I never got to see this side of the fandom. Crazy shit honestly, and pretty saddening.
    Also King Knight losing to his own mom is too perfect.

  • @DefinitivNichtSascha
    @DefinitivNichtSascha 6 місяців тому +5

    Adding to how very consumer friendly Yacht Club usually is: I still think about how amazing it is that I got four of these five games completely for free when I bought the initial game. I have never heard of any other developer being so obliging to its customers. I was supplied with quality games for six years after making a single purchase of like 15 bucks in 2014.

  • @rod0fdiscord
    @rod0fdiscord 7 місяців тому +3

    2023 and this is still a problem.
    (yes i'm that person that got to the boss rush in PoS no hit and proceeded to give the fuck up)

  • @sickoshrek4720
    @sickoshrek4720 2 роки тому +4

    Honestly choosing to buy soh, sot and koc separately is just pretty dumb when you can just get the treasure trove

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  2 роки тому +1

      If you buy them all at once, yeah that's on you, but it's very feasible that someone would buy SoH, play it, want more, and then buy SoT, etc. until they've played and then bought each game

  • @jeremyharrison4778
    @jeremyharrison4778 10 місяців тому +4

    Dang that really sucks. I bought the game when it came out on Wii U, and have always thought it was so crazy generous of them to keep releasing free content updates and had no idea how confusing getting into it for the first time is if you don’t get treasure trove.

  • @Kiwi-fl8te
    @Kiwi-fl8te Рік тому +5

    You know, a Tinker Knight Campaign would have actually been really interesting. Compared to the other knights that didn't get a campaign I mean. Because all of the other unused knights would mainly have different movement, but Tinker Knight seems fitted to a completely different type of gameplay around machinery.

    • @PokefanSans
      @PokefanSans 10 місяців тому

      I feel like Tinker Knight would be the best choice for the next character,cause the other bosses are are too tall and I don't think the Specter knight treatment will work

  • @Krahfty
    @Krahfty 4 місяці тому +2

    Something similar-ish happened to me with Witcher 3, I bought the Base Game and the DLC "Hearts of Stone" in 2015, the next year "Blood and Wine" came out, didn't feel like shelling out the money at the time, so I waited, then the "Complete Edition" came out soon after which included the Base Game and all DLC, I didn't want to buy the game again I just needed "Blood and Wine" to complete it. I waited for a sale and the "Complete Edition" went on sale, but the DLC didn't?! the "Complete Edition" on sale cost just as much as the DLC "Blood and Wine" not on sale and I couldn't bring myself to buy it out of basic principal of paying the same price for less stuff. Still annoys me to this day thinking about it, I did end up buying "blood and wine", it went on sale eventually a few years after

  • @mattkane357
    @mattkane357 2 роки тому +11

    i love plague of shadows, but personally spectre of torment doesn't get enough love, by far it is my favorite out of the 3 extra campaigns.

    • @flaviomendesaviladutramede5035
      @flaviomendesaviladutramede5035 2 роки тому +2

      I do prefer king of cards bc of the entire New card mechanic and harder levels, but specter is a close call too

    • @theskelebot7131
      @theskelebot7131 Рік тому +4

      What? Specter of Torment gets the MOST put of all four main games. Plague of Shadows is the underdog, more than anything

  • @phoenixbender5698
    @phoenixbender5698 Рік тому +6

    This video confused me more than the actual branding history I love it

  • @SQGReviewShow
    @SQGReviewShow Рік тому +5

    This was a compelling overview on Shovel Knight's release history. Well done!

  • @ChrisTrenary
    @ChrisTrenary Рік тому +3

    I bought the Treasure Trove back when it first released and haven't been too involved with the community outside of simply playing the games, so I honestly didn't even realize Plague of Shadows didn't have a standalone release until watching this. Pretty kookoo bananas yo

  • @Dragonmist19X
    @Dragonmist19X Рік тому +8

    I have personally never played a shovel knight game though I am aware of how great of a series it is and will always bring it up whenever there is any type of indie/kickstarter talk. It's a shame that even now in Fall 2022 it still does not have a standalone release.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  Рік тому +5

      I can wholeheartedly recommend Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove. If you get that, you do not need to worry about any standalone games.

  • @babyjeff
    @babyjeff 3 роки тому +4

    great video, glad to see more plague knight love

  • @Dekross
    @Dekross Рік тому +7

    Bought it when it was only shovel of hope in the 3DS with the Amiibo. Completed it, then they made all the other 3 modes and completed them all for free. It was a really good decision to buy the game when it was released. What a game!

    • @bland9876
      @bland9876 Рік тому +1

      Ya do bad the 3ds version doesn't have king knight that would have been cool.

    • @eviljoverlord1934
      @eviljoverlord1934 11 місяців тому

      ​@@bland9876 3DS does have King Knight :)

  • @Argletrough
    @Argletrough 2 роки тому +4

    I got the game on 3DS before PoS released, then later played and _loved_ it. When Spectre of Torment was revealed as a timed exclusive to Switch, I reasoned that I'd probably want to re-play the first two games on the bigger screen anyway so I got Treasure Trove there.
    As an aside, iirc the item menu on the 3DS touchscreen is especially helpful for the bomb parts in PoS (not played it in 7 years so who knows).

  • @TheWifiRouter
    @TheWifiRouter 11 місяців тому +1

    As of writing in 2023, plague of shadows is unfortunately still not on the Nintendo switch Eshop.

  • @Sizzyl
    @Sizzyl 7 місяців тому +2

    insane that this existed, glad I just bought treasure trove by pure chance lol

  • @alienxotic5028
    @alienxotic5028 2 роки тому +3

    I swear to god I remember seeing a standalone of plague of shadows on steam. I just checked, turns out it was just blurred memory since the others had a standalone. I will say that I was really confused when I went to purchase shovel knight for the first time since I had no idea what to buy at all.

  • @Kipper6464
    @Kipper6464 3 місяці тому +1

    I bought them all separately and beat them all and didn’t realize you couldn’t buy pleage of shadows separately so I’m like Jimmy here stuck missing one game because of this.

  • @un-inkpressivevideos9541
    @un-inkpressivevideos9541 Рік тому +1

    I genuinely had no idea this was an issue, probably cause I played the original back on the 3ds and when the plague was released I immediately used the code to get it (probably one of my favorite campaigns and characters from the 5 games) and got treasure trove once I got the switch. I didn't even know about this issue until now, I'm surprised PoS didn't get a stand-alone, especially after the whole rebrand

  • @mageyplss
    @mageyplss Рік тому +2

    I'm currently starting to play Plague of Shadows right after beating Shovel Knight & every wandering traveler for the first time, & so far I love it!

  • @shadowsnake5133
    @shadowsnake5133 11 місяців тому +1

    As someone who bought the full collection way later because i frankly learned about it later and my parents were iffy about indie develpers as a whole, i didn't know this, fascinating. Thankfully, the treasure trove is so plentiful that buying them individually is unnecessary, thus avoiding the issue.

  • @InvocationOfSebastian
    @InvocationOfSebastian Рік тому +2

    Great video. As someone who has stayed with Shovel Knight since the beginning and always owned Treasure Trove on every platform I got it on, I never even knew this was an issue.

  • @grifondoro4626
    @grifondoro4626 3 роки тому +5

    I'ms so spechul :)
    This is something I've always though actually when playing the game. I've bought the pack for Switch but for a while I've considered buying the single ones in case I wouldn't have liked Shovel Knight until I've realized there was no PoS
    And I wanted to play with that guy, so I suppose I can tell Plague Knight was the actual reason why I bought the pack. And so introduced me to the Shovel Knight franchise
    And nothing else to say, beside PoS being my favourite campaign at the point I didn't stop playing until I completed it because I wanted to see him get what he deserved.
    So #FreePlagueKnight
    (I'm Griffhodie btw for the points thing, but I wanted to comment anyway really good video :D)

  • @user-sf8ni1tl1f
    @user-sf8ni1tl1f 5 місяців тому +1

    I’m so glad I bought treasure trove without buying any of the others because plague of shadows is in my option the most fun to play

  • @DeisFortuna
    @DeisFortuna 8 місяців тому +1

    Why wouldn't they want people to get Plague Knight Mode??? Plague Knight is a precious little awkward nerdy scrunglebundle and I love him.

  • @unclewaluigi8512
    @unclewaluigi8512 2 роки тому

    I bought treasure trove at $25 and honestly never even noticed that there was no plague of shadows standalone

  • @Dark-jm4hx
    @Dark-jm4hx Місяць тому

    My friend actually went through this without realizing it, and also to the comment on the end: I played King of Cards 1st and then Specter, Plague, then Shovel purely for the canonical order

  • @somacruz10
    @somacruz10 2 роки тому

    Plague Knight is my fav chatacter, I even made his underground base and characters in Warcraft 3 RP map to play as him

  • @orangd147
    @orangd147 Рік тому +1

    It just happened to me, in 2022! PoS is locked behind a 30$ paywall for me because I didn't know. Also, I wanted to see if I will enjoy the games, so I just bought some standalones first. This is insidious and I am pretty saddened :(
    Great video btw!!

  • @ErickGameplaysN64
    @ErickGameplaysN64 Рік тому +1

    Because. Probably less people realize how hot... I mean, how cool Mona is.

  • @Sariasun
    @Sariasun Рік тому +3

    The shovel knight series are some of my favorite games of all time and by far my most favorite platform game I’ve ever played.

  • @Ice-xe8hu
    @Ice-xe8hu 3 роки тому +2

    Good Video, I'm subbing

  • @fatmario8244
    @fatmario8244 2 роки тому +1

    Treasure trove is so good it made me emotional when I finished al the campaigns

  • @snakecake-mw7vw
    @snakecake-mw7vw 2 роки тому +5

    Plague of Shadows is the best game, story wise talking, it is a shame that it is not given the love it deserves

  • @starpetalarts6668
    @starpetalarts6668 9 місяців тому +2

    The solution might sound simple like putting PoS as free DLC to SoH buyers... but then YCG is going to get the backlash of players who forfeited the money to get Treasure Trove. It was a bad decision not to have PoS downloadable for free with SoH from when SoT came out. If they go back and make PoS a free update tp SoH they might just get some fans going oh cool now I can play PoS.

  • @falciexd
    @falciexd 2 роки тому

    agree, i think the most adequate way to make it available is or being an stand-alone release or as an dlc for shovel of hope, since it is very, very similar to the original game in various aspects

  • @yourmommasanus135
    @yourmommasanus135 2 роки тому +1

    It would be really cool if you made a Shovel Knight Showdown tier list

  • @insertsomethingrelatable2494
    @insertsomethingrelatable2494 3 роки тому +7

    Imma be honest, the plague knight campaign is my least favorite one, while the combat is unique it can get really annoying at times, and with the fact that the levels are so similar to Shovel Of Hope, I just don't like it. Would be much better with more unique levels. I believe it should be a DLC to Shovel Of Hope, because that's what it feels like.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  3 роки тому +11

      unbased comment

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 2 роки тому

      Plague Knight is definitely my favourite now. It's the hardest one to get the hang of, but once you do, it becomes amazing, it feels so good, you have basically unlimited movement options, you can reach every part of the screen, unlike every other character. People who aren't as skilled at video games dislike plague Knight, but out of all of them it's the one that talented players go back to the most

  • @bunker9492
    @bunker9492 Рік тому +1

    I got the game around 2015 for 3ds and thankfully i didnt have to deal with this but it does sound extremely annoying to deal with though. Plague is also probably one of my favorite campaigns in the game but i also read somewhere that apparently plague knights campaign wasnt very liked but i dont really remember where.

  • @hardcase66
    @hardcase66 Рік тому +2

    Where the hell have you found a picture of Mona usong a sniper rifle?

  • @ShadwSonic
    @ShadwSonic 2 роки тому +15

    Had I been involved with the decision making at the time, I would've urged them to make every campaign standalone right away, and charge what they will for each.
    However, because they waited so long, and caused so much confusion, I'd say they really can't just "make Plague standalone" now. An apology is required, and that means charging much less or nothing to get Plague for those who have Shovel alone.
    To that end, my suggestion would be either a free update, or a $2 DLC, for Shovel of Hope.
    Of course, even if this issue didn't exist, I'd still recommend to anyone thinking about finally seeing what this Shovel Knight thing is about to just get Treasure Trove, and start with the original campaign. If that part doesn't interest you, I doubt the others would, despite being legitimately different experiences. And if it does, then you _are_ going to like the others, again despite being different. Showdown is the one exception to the rule, but even discounting that and Plague, you _at least_ end up paying the same or less overall!

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  2 роки тому +2

      For sure, that's why i said they should add it to SoH for free in the video

  • @Gardow
    @Gardow 3 роки тому +6

    #FreePlagueKnight

  • @ArchivedFox
    @ArchivedFox 10 місяців тому

    4:15 second person. third person is when you see yourself via omniscient reader or as a floating none-person. second person is when you view yourself via another person. such as a camera or a watcher that is actually there.

  • @tham1472
    @tham1472 Місяць тому

    i bought it right at the beginning and was always so surprised when an update came out (did not followed the road map) and when I noticed, yes! another one 🎉 until today I love the series. ❤

  • @SliminBlue
    @SliminBlue 2 роки тому +2

    I know this is almost a year old, but considering that Plague of Shadows STILL isn't available independently, part of me thinks that it isn't available independently for a reason. I get that PoS (if you wanna call it that) is quite different from the original game, the latter two were completely new games, which kinda made PoS just seem like a remake of the original with a new character, and currently from a critical standpoint, that's kinda the general consensus. Realistically though, if you're buying Shovel Knight now, you should probably just buy Treasure Trove, it has all the games, it's a better deal than buying them separately, and you get Plague of Shadows as well, so it is the best way to buy them all.

  • @Argletrough
    @Argletrough 2 роки тому

    "Fan since I was a middle schooler in 2014."
    Oh man, flashbacks to watching the PoS ending cutscene on the school bus.

  • @GamerTX
    @GamerTX 2 роки тому +1

    I think the reason of plague of shadows not being converted into the stand alone version is because when it was made as DLC, it is dependant from the original game campaing shovel of hope, since it recicled and uses most assets, level design and the same engine that was already builded ,coded, and presented on the game, in order to make a stand alone for that specific campaing, they have to remade the whole campaing, assets and engine from scratch cutting the shovel of hope content, but why you wanna buy the almost exactly same game with another character, it's not as expanded as the next ones after it. so the only solution i see it's making it a double pack for shovel of hope alone, like you can purchase the other 3 games as a standole while you can still get shovel of hope along with plague of shadows as standole following the same rule when it was launched, beating the shovel of hope campaing or the cheatcode from 2015, this could avoid a buuunch of problems since that you can enjoy the 5 games either separatly or compiled.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  2 роки тому +2

      You either didn't watch the whole thing or decided to just poorly reiterate what i said in the video for some reason so either way this comment is very confusing

    • @GamerTX
      @GamerTX 2 роки тому

      i was watched half ot the video when i made the comment so yeah, i'm dumb :3

  • @Spyritic
    @Spyritic 4 місяці тому

    I remember playing shovel night back in 2014 and never playing it again, but recently i said "eh why not" and decided to buy shovel knight to play it again after like 9 years. I was super confused with the standalones at first but thankfully after doing some research i noticed that pos wasnt available in standalone, so i just bought treasure trove hoping id like the game. Thankfully im enjoying shovel knight a lot, definitely one of my favoritr games now and happy i didnt end up buying standalones only to notice a whole campaign was missing.

  • @WyattWentWacko
    @WyattWentWacko 2 роки тому

    Before king of cards came out, I though “Shovel Knight Treasure Trove” was the name of the king knight game, and wanted to know when the game come out, so I looked up “When does shovel knight treasure trove come out” and kept getting confused when it said it was already out

  • @ArcRay20
    @ArcRay20 2 роки тому

    it sounds like it should have been an unlockable in standalone Shovel of Hope after beating that, like it was originally when it came out, which i didnt know that until this video. because it would make sense given that it recycles 90% of the main campaign. i had no idea it was locked in the collection. makes me glad i grabbed the collection on Switch since i wanted all the games on there after having played it on the WiiU already.

  • @walternunez4118
    @walternunez4118 Рік тому

    While I get the sentiment that Plague Knight should just have his campaign sold as a standalone for the sake of not confusing new players, you have to consider the fact that PoS isn't up to par with any of the other 3. Yes, PoS does introduce a handful of new bosses, reworks a few sections of some pre-existing levels, some new music and a new story, the fact that SoH, SoT and KoC all give you brand new levels, with brand new bosses, a brand new soundtrack and a brand new story makes them clearly worth more than PoS. Since PoS offers considerably less content than all of the other campaigns, instead of releasing it as a standalone title, I would make it a DLC for SoH.
    Oh, and just in case, yes, I've played all 5 games, yes, I know Plague Knight is really fun and has incredible movement and the bombs give you an insane amount of customization, but I'm just saying that it's unfair to price it the same as any of the other campaigns which have so much more content that justifies their price tag

  • @RottenJerv
    @RottenJerv Рік тому +1

    I almost sorta got screwed over, it’s a weird story.
    I saw Shovel Knight and was like oh cool game. I went on my switch and realized Treasure Trove is 40 bucks and said I don’t wanna spend 40 bucks on something I don’t know I’ll like, so I bought stand-alone Shovel of Hope first and loved the game, and. I didn’t wanna spend extra money for the collection so wanted to buy the rest seperately… then I was told Plague of Shadows can only be bought in the collection… but for some reason on the PS Store Treasure Trove was 25 bucks and the price wasn’t increased and then I bought it there…? It was a weird situation but I ended up paying less then I could’ve payed on the switch Treasure Trove.

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  Рік тому

      That's because they raised the price for new players from 25 to 40 when they released king knight and showdown because they were increasing the overall value of the game by a LOT. But new players got the update for free. I guess Playstation hadn't updated the price yet, or maybe it was just on sale

    • @RottenJerv
      @RottenJerv Рік тому

      Only saw this response now but I’m going to guess it was the first option since it didn’t say 25% off or something just on regular the store

  • @CricetoFunni
    @CricetoFunni Рік тому

    If YCG doesn't want to put in the effort to make a Plague of Shadows standalone they could at least make it to where if you owned Shovel of Hope, Specter of Torment, King of Cards, AND showdown then you could get Treasure Trove for like 10 or 15 bucks, _essentially_ fulfilling the role of a POS (very cool abbreviation) standalone.

  • @Legomilho
    @Legomilho 2 роки тому

    man, i didnt even knew about that, such a shame, i hope that they start working on putting plague back when they finish pocket dungeon because after that the only thing they will have to do is shovel knight dig and dig doesnt look like a priority game yknow,we can only wait

    • @Legomilho
      @Legomilho 2 роки тому

      i was going to buy them separate because i didnt wanted showdown, i just dont like it but i gave up on that because if a sale drops by i could maybe get a better deal, but its still a shame for people who already bought one of the separate games

  • @theclown2257
    @theclown2257 16 годин тому

    The description mentions possibly deleting the video of this ever gets fixed. I don't think you should. I think the video should stay up as a documentary of sorts.

  • @CycloneJoker1
    @CycloneJoker1 3 роки тому +2

    I agree good video

  • @realtoreii
    @realtoreii 2 роки тому +1

    since YCG has been treating plague of shadows as a merely a 'tricky alternate quest' to the original (criminally underrating their work in the process), i agree they might be able to justify adding plague of shadows as a free update to the standalone shovel of hope, which would involve ANOTHER rebrand WITHIN an existing rebrand, but it would at least satisfy their weird aversion to releasing all of their content while technically providing a standalone release. which is a shame, because they EASILY could have gotten away with slapping a 9.99 price tag on it right from the start :,)

  • @LightbladeRiulo
    @LightbladeRiulo Рік тому

    What they could do since its STILL not a thing is that they could add the cheat code back into Shovel of Hope and rename it as a duology. That way nobody misses out on one campaign all because they didn't buy Treasure Trove.

  • @Maxiow
    @Maxiow Рік тому +1

    As confusing as it is I still find the price worthwhile and fair.

  • @hekirb3382
    @hekirb3382 Рік тому +1

    1:28 god I hope that meme is ironic

    • @pikapete2719
      @pikapete2719  Рік тому +1

      It definitely wasn't originally meant to be, but I'm using it ironically

  • @shay_3859
    @shay_3859 9 місяців тому +1

    This is such a helpful and informative video. Thank you got educating me on this topic. I remember clearly that I almost ended up buying shovel of hope a couple of times in the past, but opted to go for Hollow Knight instead haha.

  • @Weeze24
    @Weeze24 Місяць тому

    this video is three years old and this issue has still not been fixed despite two more shovel knight games being released. they should either release POS as its own game or include it with SOH is YCG feels like its not its own game...

  • @pikapete2719
    @pikapete2719  3 роки тому

    Check out my newest video: ua-cam.com/video/kkGiJxChwvc/v-deo.html

  • @elezar6248
    @elezar6248 2 роки тому

    i always thought plague knights story was in an alternate universe to the shovel one, making it canon but not for this timeline or whatever

  • @andrewwojtas8486
    @andrewwojtas8486 3 роки тому

    I hate that I couldn't give this to my friends after I gave them the individual games for Christmas

  • @ElpheltValentineFan
    @ElpheltValentineFan 2 роки тому +2

    3ds version is pretty good sadly it doesnt have showdown and other features but that is kind of fair for it

  • @Fresh_Knight
    @Fresh_Knight 3 роки тому +3

    I remember seeing SoH, SoT, and KoC on steam stand alone and just thinking ok so PoS is just part of SoH that's why it's $14.99 not $9.99 but now I'm wondering why is it $14.99

  • @Ablaire
    @Ablaire Рік тому +1

    Aww, I knew nothing about Shovel Knight until a few days ago where I had Treasure Trove sitting there.
    Beyond amazed with how ambitious, silly, and entertaining this game is!
    I didn’t know those other games were standalones until just now, thought there was more! Had bought Treasure Trove due to its release in 2014 and the others being 2019 on Steam, guess I got a good deal with getting Treasure Trove then!

  • @Serch_YB27
    @Serch_YB27 Рік тому +1

    Yeah I just decided to play shovel knight and instead of just buying it and play it (as most games) I had to google why there wasn't just a "shovel knight" on the eshop, learn about all of the games, the order to play them, about this issue of how you cannot play "Plague of darkness" separately, then saw a sale of Treasure throve for arounf $25 USD and bought it.
    Yeah ,it was confusing but I'm glad I did it as I loved shovel of hope and am loving plague of shadows at the moment, and can't wait to play the others. #FreePlagueKnight

  • @Crazybark
    @Crazybark 2 роки тому +2

    plague is my favorite campaign out of all of them

    • @DanielPerez-ol4jn
      @DanielPerez-ol4jn 2 роки тому +1

      I think it's the most underrated of all, I mean, the power dash and mobility it's so fun when you know how to use it, and the basic bombs can one shot the bosses in a few of seconds, if you played shovel knight first that makes this just more hilarious 😆😂

  • @supercamborg4218
    @supercamborg4218 6 місяців тому

    They said they planned to make a standalone version of Plague of Shadows in 2017, it’s been 6 years. Over half a decade. I’m disappointed in them.

  • @WyattWentWacko
    @WyattWentWacko 2 роки тому

    I bought the whole game twice, once on Wii U, because I saw it at Toys-R-Us and thought it looked cool, then again on the switch when I knew more about it, wanted to support the creators, and wanted it on switch

  • @hello-yc8cl
    @hello-yc8cl Рік тому

    btw guys just a tip you can get a shovel knight treasure trove for like 12 dollars on websites like eneba

  • @denmark1226
    @denmark1226 Рік тому

    That's actually how I got into Shovel Knight. My friend bought it on Switch, and I played Deadboy McScythe, and that's all I knew of Shovel Knight until a couple years later

    • @BenDaresAll
      @BenDaresAll Рік тому

      Deadboy McScythe! Haha! How was the story experience, playing Spectre Knight first then ... Shovel, Plague and King Knight?

    • @denmark1226
      @denmark1226 Рік тому +1

      @@BenDaresAll well, I quite liked Corpesy Scythery, fun game with the dash slashes, good music, nice and challenging, 5/5. Shovel Mate had very different level design, and different music, but it was still fun. I was surprised that by the world feeling bigger what with the map and the wandering travelers. Mr. Gangsters Paradise had weird jumping shenanigans and ShoVel's levels, and I didn't like it much. A while later Kek of Cards finally released, and I liked the movement in that, as well as bootleg YuGiOh.
      Edit: Shit, you asked about the story. I feel like it lends the original Shovel Knight story a little something, knowing the whole time that the enchantress is Shield Knight. It doesn't change much else though

    • @BenDaresAll
      @BenDaresAll Рік тому

      @@denmark1226 yeah, I was wondering how the story felt for you, playing the game almost chronologically (though King Knight was next in the timeline). Oh, I forgot if Shield Knight was shown to be the Enchantress during Specter Knight's campaign.

  • @oscartrim-wilson
    @oscartrim-wilson 8 місяців тому

    Its been two years, standalone plague of shadows is not coming.

  • @DanielPerez-ol4jn
    @DanielPerez-ol4jn 2 роки тому +6

    When I played this game at first I thought it was not too good, but now after complete the four games, I need to say has the best gameplay of them, mostly underrated campaign of all

  • @goldenhorse4823
    @goldenhorse4823 3 роки тому

    Yea it sucks. Going with trausure trove is best deal but I can just imagine people getting confused and screwed over.

  • @thevoyagingcreator
    @thevoyagingcreator Рік тому

    Specter of Torment is in the hospital right now. The reason: it was laughing too heard at the pitifulness of King of Cards' Shovel Knight only at the end when SoT doesn't have him period.

  • @xxitjixx
    @xxitjixx 4 місяці тому

    Damn, that explains why its so expensive if I want to buy it on pc since it was so cheap on xbox when it was only shovel of hope and plague of shadows

  • @caturiges
    @caturiges Рік тому

    Maybe they thought Plague of Shadows isn't very beginner friendly? Because I see Specter's and King Knight's as more refined and properly tutorialized games, since they were made to be starting points that give curiosity and make people buy the Treasure Trove collection. They should totally unlock Plague of Shadows at the end of Shovel of Hope, though.

    • @aarong5716
      @aarong5716 Рік тому

      I agree! Last night, I played the "Plague of Shadows" tutorial level for the first time, and I was literally "Cuphead game journalist" levels of struggling. I still look forward to completing the game, but given the learning curve, I think it's definitely better off attached to "Shovel of Hope", whether for free or as a DLC.

  • @davidward134
    @davidward134 3 роки тому

    oh damn pete i never knew you had a youtube channel, it's me bropeller

  • @Cr34t10nStud10
    @Cr34t10nStud10 2 роки тому

    Damn i just finished the original shovel knight and I didn’t even know plague knight was a real campaign because there’s no standalone release

  • @somacruz10
    @somacruz10 2 роки тому

    5:59 Wtf this Mona with sniper rifle from? xD

  • @pulcoctel897
    @pulcoctel897 3 роки тому +2

    good video

  • @Fefe-vp9yk
    @Fefe-vp9yk Рік тому

    I dunno, When I first heard about shovel knight I directly bought treasure trove, mostly because I didn't knew there were standalone games. And now I just finished shovel of hope after letting it rot in my library for a year, and I highly regret it. Now im going to play the other 4 games!

  • @juanrodriguez9971
    @juanrodriguez9971 Рік тому

    I always assumed all 4 main campaigns were released as separated games leaving showdown as cool extra for treasure trove, and didn't care to verify that because why would I? I already have everything in Treasure Trove.

  • @kennycarter5682
    @kennycarter5682 9 місяців тому +1

    Its 2023. Still plauge of shadows is still trove exclusive
    ,... it is likely a treasure trove exclusive to encurage people buying treasure trove instead of stand alone games

  • @badgerscorner9347
    @badgerscorner9347 3 роки тому +9

    Yacht Club Games is blacklisting Oolong and YOU👇 Gotta help us! In all seriousness, very solid and well spoken video. Excited to see more!