That's my Groetus head cannon. Hear me out. Groetus' knowledge is so terrible that it would permanently warp any mortal view of reality forever, right? Maybe that's because Groetus knows he is just a fake deity in a made-up tabletop game in another dimension. He knows he's just letters and drawings on a paper. He knows all creatures in Golarion, every object in it, all history is futile at the end. The only way to escape this is getting TO THE end, the end of times, were no one plays the game anymore.
I don't remember if it was canon on Pf1 and/or strange aeons or where I read it but somewhere was told that becoming a god and getting enlightenment he discovered about the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods and that's what made him mad because he understood everything about them, even their incomprehensible agenda
@@KajtekBeary he has an incredibly large number of halfling followers & his hometown also had a notable halfling population. Additionally, Thamir is one of the two specifically halfling deities and he's explicitly connected to Norg in some way, actually living in Norg's basement and everything.
I think you're right, but Aroden "passing" the test was done by him dragging the starstone from the bottom of the sea to Absalom. So he was the first, but he also made it a "thing." Maybe some of the lore-experts can chime in here.
@@KingOogaTonTon gotcha! It is true that when you are the first to do a thing and making it a thing, you essentially invet it! Very nice wording 🤴 Also, from what I understood, he first passed the test, then, with his newfound divinity, raised the starstone to the surface, and the isle of Kortos with it. Credit: All my lore knowledge comes from “The Mythkeeper” and “Podfinder”
He was the first* to survive contact with the Starstone and achieve apotheosis, but the whole system where you have to cross the chasm to the Citadel and then make your way past the maze and traps and whatnot was created by Aroden. *First human, anyway, and certainly the loudest. For all we know a bunch of crabs and squid attained godhood in the time that the Starstone was at the bottom of the ocean, and just didn't feel the need to reshape all of crab civilisation about it.
@@KingOogaTonTon both are kind of correct, with him being the first to pass the test given by the Starstone itself (which you get upon touching the stone and we know almost nothing about), but after ascending went and made the actual physical test involving the bottomless chasm and the Starstone Cathedral (which whilst unstated I always kind of felt as a sort of "Alright, before you do the actual test, here's something a whipped up to check if you're ready for it")
When he drew the stone from the depths of the ocean he touched it and became a god. Then he created his island and his city and put the starstone at the top of a tower and created the test.
The other day my friends and I were discussing who's dying and it will probably be a well liked and popular deity, if not, things will not be shaken up enough to create a blog-posting adventure selling event. My bets are one of the throuple goddesses, specially Sarenrae, or maybe one of the two good ascended humans, Iomedae or Cayden.
Asmodeus is already safe, confirmed in the official Paizo blog (which uploads articles each couple of weeks saying who's safe) and OGL has no copyright for a name of a demon from an ancient mythology.
Erastil will die because the Paizo writers are contractually obligated to murder a married character in every piece of fiction that they write. Now, technically, Torag is also married & could be on the chopping block, but given the fact that Torag has a "no mercy" rule in fights, Torag is far more likely to kill than be killed.
@KingOogaTonTon Merisiel / Kyra and Feiya's parents are the only two examples I'm personally aware of where at least one member of the married couple hasn't explicitly been killed off during the story. And in the case of Feiya's parents, they didn't exactly get a happy ending. So, no, I don't think Merisiel & Kyra are safe! Though, personally, my least favorite example of this trope in Paizo's writing is Nhalmika's husband (the Gunslinger iconic). And... random Dwarven super cancer, go! The first time I remember noticing was when I asked myself "Why does Jason Buhlman have so many widows for NPCs?" After that, I couldn't unnotice the pattern!
@aimanbenkhadra644 A few years ago, I was watching Jason Buhlman GM, and I noticed a LOT of Widow/Widower NPCs. Like, a lot. Then I noticed the story of Shizuru & Tsukiyo. And I strongly suspected the pattern... Later I read the Iconic back stories, and I knew. If you have a happily married couple in a work of Paizo fiction, one of them is about to eat it - hard. And usually for no apparent reason at all. Nhalmika (Gunslinger Iconic) loses her husband to random Dwarven super cancer completely without warning, and it's obvious they just wanted to remove the character. At present, I'm only aware of two examples of a married couple where one person didn't die in the fiction, and well, in one case - *shudder* In the other case, all I can say is, Merisiel, run! The writers are coming foe you!
What blasphemy is this! Didn’t mention Apsu, creator of the universe, who was also in the fight against Rovagug. Also it’s Norgorber. He’s going to die, because he somehow cheated at the test of the Starstone and it’s going to catch up to him. Also, thinking question, what god does Asmodeus have trapped under Hell? It’s said that hell was a heavenly realm before Asmodeus took over. I’m gonna guess Lucifer. Edit: I just read about Pathfinder retconning Tiamat out of lore, and demoting Apsu from extra-cosmic creator of the gods to just some god who created a solar system. Boo. I will never accept such blasphemy!
Out of everything in Pathfinder 2e, the deities are the biggest clusterf*ck. If you want to be this convoluted why not just use Greek mythology? There's a reason monotheism spread like wild fire across the globe ....
Well, those are "some" of the numerous deities in PF2. So many more are officially present, like the Elders faes, the Old ones, the Demon Lords, the Elemental Lords, the Osirion (=Ancient Egypt) ones, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and many other cultural ones. The campaigns are usually situated in one or two continents, but each other continent also has its own set of deities. There's more than 200 deities and faiths/philosophies present at this time.
my head cannon is that when Nethys achieved divinity he learned that he is a part of fiction and that's why he went a little bit insane
Nethys achieved CHIM
So we should roleplay Nethys like Deadpool. Somehow I don't hate it.
That's my Groetus head cannon.
Hear me out. Groetus' knowledge is so terrible that it would permanently warp any mortal view of reality forever, right?
Maybe that's because Groetus knows he is just a fake deity in a made-up tabletop game in another dimension. He knows he's just letters and drawings on a paper. He knows all creatures in Golarion, every object in it, all history is futile at the end. The only way to escape this is getting TO THE end, the end of times, were no one plays the game anymore.
Nethys's biggest group of worshippers are PF2 players who use Archives of Nethyd
I don't remember if it was canon on Pf1 and/or strange aeons or where I read it but somewhere was told that becoming a god and getting enlightenment he discovered about the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods and that's what made him mad because he understood everything about them, even their incomprehensible agenda
"Nobody knows who Norgorber was before..."
#FourHalflingsInATrenchcoat
Weren't they kobolds?
@@KajtekBeary he has an incredibly large number of halfling followers & his hometown also had a notable halfling population. Additionally, Thamir is one of the two specifically halfling deities and he's explicitly connected to Norg in some way, actually living in Norg's basement and everything.
Oh, that makes sense, thanks :P@@eldyodel
He is also a god of four aspects. Coincidence???
Oh wow...so the halfling theory might actually have some merit.
i started watching pathfinder videos today and im already so much interested in it
You've taken your first step into a larger world.
Sarenrae seeing Desna and immediately falling in love is such an iconic lesbian moment. Love them and their divine polycule
Sarenrae and Desna are the patron goddesses of Uhaul.
Seranrae is easily my favorite Pathfinder deity.
Goddess of kindness, mercy, healing and beating the absolute shit out of undead.
Cult of the Dawnflower baybee!
"Will usher you out of the Inner Sphere and into the Periphery" wait, wrong franchise.
Spoiler: Gorum gets a bad case of flu and his dying wish is for all the deities to have a really big war in his name.
Well...........
Let's say he'll be unable to participate in the warua-cam.com/video/ZDB8m4mkFiQ/v-deo.html
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3:10 timestamp for Gorum
you can tell a lot about a writer's fetishes from the deities in their setting if you dont believe me look at ed greenwood and forgotten realms
If Earth exists is Jesus canon in Pathfinder?
I suppose so! I think I read somewhere that Ihys was actually supposed to be reminiscent of the Abrahamic God.
@KingOogaTonTon Christmas one-shot is real let's gooo
It won't be nethys because AoN is a big marketing tool
Looooool
Hey! No metagaming.
Archives of [REDACTED]
@@ArceusShaymin Zagreus looks very twitchy at this.
its over now but AoN sanctifying the name of a dead god would be so cool though
5:34 Hey, what do you mean by Aroden “created” the Starstone test? I thought he was the first to “pass” it. Where can I get more info on that?
Thanks!
I think you're right, but Aroden "passing" the test was done by him dragging the starstone from the bottom of the sea to Absalom. So he was the first, but he also made it a "thing." Maybe some of the lore-experts can chime in here.
@@KingOogaTonTon gotcha! It is true that when you are the first to do a thing and making it a thing, you essentially invet it!
Very nice wording 🤴
Also, from what I understood, he first passed the test, then, with his newfound divinity, raised the starstone to the surface, and the isle of Kortos with it.
Credit: All my lore knowledge comes from “The Mythkeeper” and “Podfinder”
He was the first* to survive contact with the Starstone and achieve apotheosis, but the whole system where you have to cross the chasm to the Citadel and then make your way past the maze and traps and whatnot was created by Aroden.
*First human, anyway, and certainly the loudest. For all we know a bunch of crabs and squid attained godhood in the time that the Starstone was at the bottom of the ocean, and just didn't feel the need to reshape all of crab civilisation about it.
@@KingOogaTonTon both are kind of correct, with him being the first to pass the test given by the Starstone itself (which you get upon touching the stone and we know almost nothing about), but after ascending went and made the actual physical test involving the bottomless chasm and the Starstone Cathedral (which whilst unstated I always kind of felt as a sort of "Alright, before you do the actual test, here's something a whipped up to check if you're ready for it")
When he drew the stone from the depths of the ocean he touched it and became a god. Then he created his island and his city and put the starstone at the top of a tower and created the test.
3:23 (spoiler) he later died (assisted unalive) by the god of evil Kaman Rider Cosplayers.
I was hoping either Asmodeus or Rovagug would die, but the updates on the Godsrain Prophecy say they're both safe.
No love for Fromager, god of Cheese? Can sanctify after aging for 15 years.
Insert obvious culture joke here while taking an action.
are you planning on making a video for every class? I would really like a video about the swashbuckler
That is the plan, but I will be waiting for the remastered versions of the classes. So swashbuckler will probably not be until August, unfortunately!
Urgathoa is best goddess.
Thanks
I hope it's your favorite! 😈
Great summary video!!
Cool video! My channel is more like Pathfinder Deities in 7 Hours.
I can't believe I wasn't already subscribed to you...that mistake has been rectified!!
@Podfinder, you are awesome! Can’t wait for your Arazni vid!
And don’t scare people off with your “7 hours” 😂
Podfinder and King Ooga TonTon? You should do a Collab and the runtime of the video should be an average between your normal times.
I love it when creators support each other. You got yourself another sub.
I like Andoletta the raven Grandmother witch
KA-BOOM ! =D
I kinda hope its Rovagug that dies... Just please not Desna shes the coolest
The other day my friends and I were discussing who's dying and it will probably be a well liked and popular deity, if not, things will not be shaken up enough to create a blog-posting adventure selling event.
My bets are one of the throuple goddesses, specially Sarenrae, or maybe one of the two good ascended humans, Iomedae or Cayden.
Asmadeous seems the most probable to me due to the ogl thing but it seems weird to leave a hole for a big lawful evil deity
It’s not like WOTC owns the name or concept. He’s a demon from Jewish mythology.
Asmodeus is already safe, confirmed in the official Paizo blog (which uploads articles each couple of weeks saying who's safe) and OGL has no copyright for a name of a demon from an ancient mythology.
this is so funny
Everyone forgets about Brigh 😭
Brigh is a deity in Pathfinder, but they are not one of the 20 core deities
Erastil will die because the Paizo writers are contractually obligated to murder a married character in every piece of fiction that they write.
Now, technically, Torag is also married & could be on the chopping block, but given the fact that Torag has a "no mercy" rule in fights, Torag is far more likely to kill than be killed.
Merisiel and Kyra are okay though right o.o
What??? Where do you get that from???
@KingOogaTonTon Merisiel / Kyra and Feiya's parents are the only two examples I'm personally aware of where at least one member of the married couple hasn't explicitly been killed off during the story.
And in the case of Feiya's parents, they didn't exactly get a happy ending.
So, no, I don't think Merisiel & Kyra are safe!
Though, personally, my least favorite example of this trope in Paizo's writing is Nhalmika's husband (the Gunslinger iconic).
And... random Dwarven super cancer, go!
The first time I remember noticing was when I asked myself "Why does Jason Buhlman have so many widows for NPCs?" After that, I couldn't unnotice the pattern!
@aimanbenkhadra644 A few years ago, I was watching Jason Buhlman GM, and I noticed a LOT of Widow/Widower NPCs. Like, a lot.
Then I noticed the story of Shizuru & Tsukiyo.
And I strongly suspected the pattern...
Later I read the Iconic back stories, and I knew. If you have a happily married couple in a work of Paizo fiction, one of them is about to eat it - hard. And usually for no apparent reason at all.
Nhalmika (Gunslinger Iconic) loses her husband to random Dwarven super cancer completely without warning, and it's obvious they just wanted to remove the character.
At present, I'm only aware of two examples of a married couple where one person didn't die in the fiction, and well, in one case - *shudder*
In the other case, all I can say is, Merisiel, run! The writers are coming foe you!
@@TheLocalDisasterTourGuide uh oh… Thanks for the insight!
What blasphemy is this! Didn’t mention Apsu, creator of the universe, who was also in the fight against Rovagug.
Also it’s Norgorber. He’s going to die, because he somehow cheated at the test of the Starstone and it’s going to catch up to him.
Also, thinking question, what god does Asmodeus have trapped under Hell? It’s said that hell was a heavenly realm before Asmodeus took over. I’m gonna guess Lucifer.
Edit: I just read about Pathfinder retconning Tiamat out of lore, and demoting Apsu from extra-cosmic creator of the gods to just some god who created a solar system. Boo. I will never accept such blasphemy!
I can't wait for this video to become irrelevant when Paizo kills one of the major deities /s
*flashbacks to the attack of opportunity video*
Out of everything in Pathfinder 2e, the deities are the biggest clusterf*ck. If you want to be this convoluted why not just use Greek mythology? There's a reason monotheism spread like wild fire across the globe ....
Well, those are "some" of the numerous deities in PF2. So many more are officially present, like the Elders faes, the Old ones, the Demon Lords, the Elemental Lords, the Osirion (=Ancient Egypt) ones, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and many other cultural ones. The campaigns are usually situated in one or two continents, but each other continent also has its own set of deities. There's more than 200 deities and faiths/philosophies present at this time.