How Did They Expect This To Work? Steam Piping Wet Return Clogged - Mikey Pipes Day 5 Giveaway
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2021
- Service Call: “heat leaking out of vents”
What’s really happening: system is fcuked up and has always been that way.
Multiple issues uncovered
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Being a service tech from the NC mountains I service a few boilers but mostly heat pumps with oil or gas furnaces. A lot of the old timers in my area that knew how to service boilers have retired so Ive been watching your videos trying to learn as much as possible. You were really showing off some great soldering skills in this video! Great content as always!
That pipe wrench is awesome they are awkward in the beginning but you will like them after you get used to them I use them for my trade . basically a pipe wrench and vise grip combined.
Bring it down to the floor! Best idea, as you've explained so clearly. For some reason a great many older Queens homes have return pipes that have all sorts of illogical arrangements. I remember seeing a coal to gas conversion with its return pipes run half-way between the floor and the ceiling in a basement.
You do a good job of explaining the situation to your customers. Your "verbosity" is an asset. :) And that was one contorted soldering job. Thx.
Great explanation on steam boilers. I’ve learned a lot about steam from your videos. I see mostly hot water boilers here
Thanks for spending the time to explain the testo readings!! I've seen it used before a few times on other videos, but never an explanation.
That pipe vacuum trick was legit. Thank you
You are so talented on everything I would like to work beside you are awesome
Great video…. Just have learned so much
Mikey Pipes Love the channel every video is like going on another service call and just adds to my knowledge. Thank you for doing it, I know I would be horrible on camera lol. Keep on plumbing brother
@@PipeDoctor lol maybe they should. Thank you for the reply I know as your subscribers make the 50k mark it will be next to impossible to respond to a lot of comments let's hit that mark then 500k.....
Laying on top of a boiler soldering a wet pipe. I love my job. People ask me why I have so many scars on the back of my hands. I replied hot solder.
MP, we calculate steam radiators by square feet of steam, then see what your boiler square feet can deliver, BTU measurement for hot water system, now i have to get out there and install a double drop heater, peace.
Great video Mike, I had a call over the weekend very very very similar to this. Weil mclain eg series steam boiler, one pipe system. The main condensate line is leaking water from the air vent. I decided to move the tee 12” out so it’s not at the end of impact. I did so, and all was good until the boiler reached 2 psi. I go to see the limit control and it was set to 2 psi. There was no way for me to lower the 2 psi limit, it’s an old pa404 model series. Im changing out the limit control this week to a l404f 1367 to keep the system operating at a much lower pressure, 2 is to much. Also the boiler is oversized as well, short cycles every 5 minutes. As far as I’m aware this boiler doesn’t have a cracked heat exchanger like the one in the video. Great content Mike, keep it up!
@@PipeDoctor thinking about it that would be more ideal then the l404, thanks
I love how they moved everything out of the way for you guys.
@@PipeDoctor I can’t take that shit in my way at all one day a mth a go I was putting a furnace I said to the guy to move stuff out of our way and he put it more in our way
Some people literally don’t understand. I’ve come to terms with that a long time ago. Not everyone has that understanding built in to their brain.
I don't understand how people can live with so much junk.
@@wranglers2 junk to you. Not to them. My garage looks like that at the moment.
Ikr I love it when I get to a house for a leak under sink or clogged drain and when you open the cabinet doors, earthing is so full that it creates an avalanche. Then they ask if it needs to be removed. I sit there and think “no, of coarse not, I can work through solid matter. I’m magic”. Wtf
great work. professional and trust.
Thanks for the great explanation of how steam boilers work. Apparently Steve Lav. does not do these in his area.
Really good that you showed the AO Smith ProLine Water Heater that is commercial grade @ 24:27. As you noted, Lowes sell the signature series that is not of the same quality as the ProLine. Most homeowners don't know the difference and get the product where they can rather than a plumbing supply house which would only carry the ProLine. I recently replaced an AO Smith GCG-50 with an XCG-50. Works like a charm. Great and informative videos BTW. Thanks for putting them out there.
I keep a couple different lengths of 3/8" pex in my solder tote to remove standing water. That method comes on handy often.
Drip leg supporter ✋
I expected him to pull out a turkey baster or a battery fill bulb.
New sub and not a Plumber by any stretch, here I thought you were just a Pro-Press new-jack style of plumber and then you go and solder some of the nicest joints I have ever seen from any other UA-cam sensation plumber. Mikey Pipes Got Game!
Nice trick to remove water from pipe. Looks like someone paid attention in their Physics class. 👍👍
Great job! Alot of sludge in that unit! Learned something I always thought that if a boiler or a furnace had a cracked heat exchanger you had to red tag it and replace it right away because of carbon monoxide! Also would the customer save money by replacing the boiler now because it's oversized?
As usual, great explanation on gas boiler short cycling.
Guess my boiler is oversized.
Question...does short cycling adversely affect the life of the boiler or its electrical components?
Thanks again Pipes.
Nice job !
They can now hang their laundry up on the relocated pipe.
Great explanation and service of a steam boiler. I think your most well explained service call vid I’ve seen yet. Every steam boiler owner would benefit from this video. 👍
Why would the short cycling be so extreme? Are there likely more clogs in the system?
Steam boilers are like owning a pet, they require your attention. I don’t have either. 🤷♂️
That part pipe wrench/part channel locks wrench thing looks serious. Ima have to look into where I can get some of those. Keep up the good work Mikey pipes and Godzilla da pipe killa
Nice work !!!
Mikey Pipes.......another job well done. You definitely must be a student of Dan Holloran by the way you properly extended the Vent upwards at the end of that return......(no need for the free service call. Let someone that needs it win.)
Just for a discussion purposes, being that the boiler was too big, could you take out a burner? ( put a blank orifice in)? Probably illegal to modify a boiler??Thinking that each burner produces a given amount!
Would this help with the short cycling?
The video, I think was one of your best! Thank You and homeowner for allowing us the opportunity to be educated!
love the pipe trick. i noticed the copper piping on the boiler. some plumbers think it's fine but it drives me crazy. i noticed that a lot of cast iron steam boilers piped in with copper have problems with corroded sections. what are your thoughts?
Mikey pipes dropping knowledge bombs 💣🔥
Soldering on top of boiler is not too bad, what about 18 inch crawl space under a house , you must love that.
Nice work. One day, could you explain the whole cut in cut out thing on a pressuretrol
St. Albans, queens. I’m a first time home buyer and I need you guys. 🤞🏽
That copper supply amazingly looked pretty leak free.. 👍🏻
That was a really cool tip to remove water from the pipe! Right idea not to suggest an auto water feed - properly sized boiler replacement is the best option. Have always had great success with Squick on steam systems. If chosen for the give away of one hour of labor - PLEASE pass it along to a customer, like that elderly lady with the Navien, tucked next to the stacked washer/dryer - where you got the "lint coat"!!
Mike looks happy lol
That was too funny! Good Job!
I’m in Woodhaven queens . Need regular anual service Mikey . Happy weekend see you in Sunday 👍 good job
My old EG11 short cycled like that. 1125 square feet of steam. Went back with an IN-8. We just disregarded the 3 huge 100 square foot rads on the 3rd floor that were unused.
@@PipeDoctor an extensive discussion on The Wall with Dan Holahan, Steamhead, Gerry Gill and others. Some weren't sure just ignoring shut down rads would work. Others said it would. It did. The Burnham cycles well between 6 oz and 14 oz. Doesn't break a sweat at 20 below.
Free service call? Sweet. Good work ye all.
Now I have to break something so I need a service call! /sarc
Hope everyone is having a great weekend, including Mikey Pipes, The other Mike, & Godzilla!
Does NY not require a 6 inch pice of vent pipe before the elbo on water heaters?
Was that a thread protector coupling on the t&p?
@13:55 I keep a thin piece of air pressure switch hose for this and siphon out the water
St. Michael the Archangel. Nice one. Love your steam vids.
If i wind up winning ill donate the win to someone local to u. Awsome you are giving back to your fans.
Do you do all of those combustion checks when you do an annual cleaning on a 90+ forced hot air system?
What should one expect to be done on a cleaning inspection of this type?
The best channel out here! prove me wrong!
Can't wait for either a propress or testo combustion tester giveaway
Baldwin, NY. First time home owner!
Mikey Pipes: great video! Love the content! That undersized copper header isn't helping that boiler. I'm curious, did you try adjusting gas pressure at the gas valve to get CO down? As to that p trap vs head banger wet return you left the home owner with (temporarily): with only a few ounces of pressure which the boiler produces, it will overcome the standing water pressure of 1 inch hight differential in the p trap and you can actually raise that pipe back up and leave it like that to avoid the head banging pipes or tripping hazard on the floor. As long as there isn't any hammering, which it looks like there isn't. It's an old timer's trick and it works.
Gas up that van! You’re making your way to Saint James when I win! Lol
The sludge in that system should clogg up the leak! What a mess!
MP, love your videos. Question on the PPM CO level, it reach 200PPM isn't that getting to a danger level of CO leak?
i had a turkey baster i used to use for getting water out. they never make it easy to get to... like its in done never to break? i dont miss doing oil deliveries way back when in a 1965 international oil truck soaked in oil from pulling hose all day. once on a snowy hill the emergency brake let go as its rocking down the hill im running to stop it.. fun times lol
14:08 I use the spray nozzles from a spray bottle to pull the water out of a pipe like that
There is levels to this as Godzilla would say!! I Love It couldn't be more correct!
Great video . Bradford white heaters tanks
wonder if that used to drop from the air vent to an old wet return under the floor
Good morning Mikey pipes and Godzilla! I have been taught to calculate the btus needed to heat a house by how many rooms and floors are in the home. Have you heard of that method and if you have what makes you choose the counting radiators and measuring pipes method?
@@PipeDoctor Is there a difference in calculating the btus in a steam boiler system vs a hot water system? Also we dont measure the rooms. We just count rooms plus floors.
@@PipeDoctor thank you! Should help me sell the boilers better sized for the customers need
130 miles north of the arctic circle, my boiler needs service. LOL
Man awesome tool that guy shiped to you . bahco is who makes snap on tools. Its a european style pipe wrench/vise grip. Amazing tool. I say European because folks across the pond love them.
That wrench is the best for radiator valves
She’s a leaker momma!!! Man some of these home owners really need a class on how to properly maintain and live in a house with this kind of equipment.. breaks my heart seeing our wonderful hvac equipment try to survive in some of these environments
Blue monster paper is the best
I have noticed that a lot of home owners like to remodel and remove the original as according to them “those big ugly radiators” and replaced with those “cute little ones “ then wonder why they are always cold and the boiler short cycles.
Bahco is a Sweedish brand...they're good quality. That boiler water was disgusting but I guess it's what you'd expect from the previous plumber who was smoking PVC.
Man im commenting way to late.. there a DJ called mike pipes in my area and i first found you instead😂 actually im gonna watch a bit of your video tho maybe even all of it😂✌
Hugging the boiler, a day in the life of a plumber :)
"We are in Queens" Thinking of "Doing it well" by LL Cool J back in the day.
Mike instead of soldering a new value could you use the new shark bit fitting value.. or is a cost factor
@@PipeDoctor Alway like an honest answer, Thanks for the response be safe..
I love that trick to remove water from the pipe. I would have been sucking and trying to spit before it went into my mouth.
pipes to the rescue
Hi Mike, I leave in woodhaven queens NY and a DIY kind of guy. I try to do much of the stuff around the house but always fascinated about learning more about how to maintain stuff in my house. And one of the reason I subscribed and watched your videos if I get a chance. It would be great if you can give me chance to get the free service giveaway and show me how to maintain my water heater and the boiler in my house. Thanks you so much🙏🏿
Godzilla gear-I’m thinking Godzilla climbing the Empire State Building holding a pipe wrench over his head with a Pipe Doctor shirt
Holy hoarding...wow
Good old turbo torch
Teflon, on clock wise as you look at it.
West Islip NY, I know its more than 5 miles, so would love a discount. First time home owner with Gas heating system. Dont know much about it and would love to learn.
You make us feel like part of a family Mikey. Your channel is going to do so well because you're genuine. People can sniff phonies out a mile away. That boiler is gonna be a bitch to get out of there and getting the new one in ain't gonna be fun either!
We use a wedge and sledgehammer take the sections out one at a time.
Floral Park. New home owner, just a routine check up on my existing Weil McLain.
@@PipeDoctor Awesome, I hope so too. Thanks Mikey!
How about a trip to Richlands, Va????? I don't have a boiler, but I have an American Standard heat pump that I installed the same day the planes hit the towers in 2001. I could use a free service tune up this spring. LOL
@@PipeDoctor LOL - thanks for the offer, I'll have to pass. Had 2 heart attacks year before last & they've retired me. I worked on all the heat & cool for the local hospital, so I've only got the old "rocking chair" income now. Have a great day. I enjoy your videos!
3/4 " copper straw..forget to open skimming tap ?
Dissimilar metals, copper corrodes iron which makes leaks and makes sediment which clogs pipes
Mikey pipes awesome work ass always I do plumbing but out of work do too my heart condition. And I can us a service call on my boiler my basement zone keeps calling for heat. So I disconnected my circulator am not good at wireing. So when I need heat I just Connect the two wires and turn on the circulator for heat please heap
Wouldn't short cycling save money since the boiler isn't working as hard?
What's the biggest boiler you ever put in. The biggest boilers I put in were 2 million and a half btu viessman boilers. We put it together ourselves and they sent us a old tool in a big wooden box that they send around the world that pulls the sections together. We had to figure out how to put the jackets together because the directions were in German. They had computers on the top that plugged into a regular 3 prong outlet.
Some guys are good installers some guys are good service techs some guys are good in selling work. When you master all three as we can see thats when you make that New York lawyer MONEY from the basement office . More people should think about the trades
@@PipeDoctor wen you support the tradesmen they will support you with their dedication and hard work. All to help u save money and headaches.
Massapequa NY.....new subscriber ....love your contents
They are awsome, but living so close I have to limit my self as I would be 250 lbs.before u know it😂
The pro press
Man,they have alot of laundry detergent!
Godzilla merch should say "Hot on the left, Cold on the right and shit don't flow uphill"!!!
Bahco are one of the Worlds greatest tool makers and they invented the Crecent wrench (it says so on the one I have ...😁) I think they are actually Swedish .
Unsteady and climbing co? I know depending on the train of thought and I could not tell if the final spike was on shut down that does happen. But 100 to 200 ppm no spilling repair soon, over 200 to 400 only run if and absolute need and only if no spillage at all. Over 400 or climbing and instable is an instant shut down. It is always tough to tell what someone is doing on a service call with a video things move so fast. Been looking and do not know if you have a video on just combustion testing and what you would do at certain findings. Steady state is always an issue, same equipment different times and also same equipment but different meters at the same time, sometimes give different results with the later usually just being minor discrepancies. Gas appliance Service in RI has been great on training and National Comfort Institute had a good road show.
Just curious why you didn’t ProPress the valve in vs solder. Good news is I’m sure you will get the new boiler job. Bad news is getting the old out/new in. The short cycling could also be caused by how dirty the rest of the system still is, and the steam may still be too wet...all will be addressed when the new boiler gets installed. Curious, do you flush the entire system prior to installing a new boiler?
Propress returns is certainly an option. Veiga fillings are rated for any temp that returns will see. They are technically rated for low pressure steam but I would be very very hesitant to propress a steam line.
Those how long is it going to last question just makes me cringe, like nails on a chalkboard. Great repair and handling of the client, cheers from L.B.I.N.J. I would make the trip to your neck of the woods and work for the day, I am twiddling my thumbs now no marine service going on this time of year. I would be fine sitting in the back with the tools so your man Godzilla stays comfortable.
I'm located in Washington DC and need a consultation of your services for a multifamily building with 27 unit. Are you willing to travel?
Where did you get those entry floor mats made up?
Thanks just ordered a few for my company. Great idea
I don't know anything about boilers so this may be a dumb question. So the water return to the boiler is gravity fed? Not pressurized?
@@PipeDoctor Thanks! That explains why you were concerned about the pitch on the return pipe.
Ridgefield New Jersey ( close to the George Washington bridge)!!!!
Leaking steam boilers can ruin chimney. Chimney not designed for all that moisture. Also, steam will accelerate carbonization of the boiler. Would definitely recommend replacing before next heating season (assuming that it's actually leaking).
I’m guessing only us heating and cooling guys are the only ones up this time on a Saturday morning.
Nah. Early bird gets the worm
@@PipeDoctor Almost, us IT folk are sometimes up too.
Heavy mechanics also - on my a.m. coffee break..
I've been up all night.
@@rtta51 well I guess you win!