Hello! Make sure to watch [What Else 13] before this one: ua-cam.com/video/a1-fkE6YdvQ/v-deo.html. It's crucial to watch the previous one to understand the premise of this video, as it's a direct continuation! Also, tell me what you think about the story! Do you think things should have gone differently? Please comment your thoughts below!
Totally agree with the outcome. It would be interesting to see what happens in the rest of this universe.... Goku never fights Raditiz or Vegeta.... Does he still even go to Namek? Does Dr. Gero make the androids as strong as we know them to be? What cells are used to make Cell? I personally think Dr. Gero would take over earth (and eventually beat Frieza).
Wouldn't at all be surprised if him unlocking ssj4 ultimately saved his life... Because let's be real ssj4 takes a beating and keeps kicking. (And it even reverted kid Goku curse...) But def a well deserved comeuppance
@@Jamstaro1 honestly hope theirs another part to this or another what if for this what if like if goku could stall for enough time for a spirit bomb whos to say they couldnt do that for a idk hypothetical interest of frieza wanting to see vegeta full power [SSJ4] like idk vegeta was doing research and seeing if theirs something beyond even SS3 and he feels like he can do something but he just doesnt know what besides a gut feeling it has to do something with great ape.
@@JadoBouhzam Probably, since a theoretical SS3 Great Ape Vegeta would have a power lvl of 72M so whatever power multiplier SS4 would give would likely surpass 100% Frieza. Though unless Vegeta triggers SS4 immediately against Frieza he's getting bodied like he did in the video.
Love the twist of him turning Super Saiyan 4 after death. I absolutely love how you mix every aspect of the Dragon Ball canon into your What If scenarios. It's so cool to see what could have been had characters discovered these things that (when their arcs were written) didn't exist
@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 Best chance they have is If Gohan could still fight the weaker androids, atleast until Bulma could finish the time machine and go back
@@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 The Androids would also be weaker since they weren't made using Saiyan Saga Data in this timeline. They'd still be strong but vastly weaker than the Main Timeline. Cell might not even need to have been created if Goku shows his small growth from the Ending of OG DB and the Beginning of Z.
It's possible Goku could train more. Basing off Salad Saiyan's What if Bardock went Super Saiyan Against Frieza, Goku would train under Kami and Kami would ask King Kai to train him.
- Dragon mentions that before granting the wish, all 3 Saiyans will lose all their future potential and cap at whatever multiplier SS3 grants - Saiyans ignore this - Saiyans immediately go and pull up on Frieza ...Oh. that's gore. That's gore of the Saiyans
@@caco6762 Toronbo COMPLETELY stripped them of their potential. They could not get stronger through any means, whether it be training or Zenkais, only the transformations.
nah their main mistake was not blitzing freiza, if they did that they wouldve won handily. But villians in DBZ LOVE to gloat so that was never gonna happen
Honestly, props to Vegeta even realizing they needed to before Frieza finished. It was too little too late, but as cocky as they had gotten, it was inevitable things would go out of control, knowing what we know.
Frieza is too durable. Remember he survived namek blowing up with half a body and an angry Kamehameha. Same with broly 90 mins and God toppo owning him in super.
@@MrVariantFrieza got sliced into two by his own death saucers, cut in half by Trunks instantly, and had his tail cut by Krillin. In addition he was one shot and knocked out his form by Jiren
@@NeonSwordsManFangattack well trunks killed him instantly like Fusion Reborn Teen Gohan (cell saga should be tween gohan lol), which Z and GT were big on villain decay. Otherwise he hit hard and kept transforming like dragon quest 4 Psaro.
Amazing work as always! I thought Raditz might find the Super Saiyan 4 form since Bardock’s wish for him to thrive was mentioned. Wouldn’t it be fitting if Raditz took over Frieza’s empire?
That's kind of a sad end for the Saiyans. Maybe Goku can yet still prosper on an Earth untouched by Frieza's forces, but with the Android threat over the horizon, I would not bet on it.
The androids would be substantially weaker without the saiyan and frieza saga having happened, as gero somehow had frieza dna he at the very least got the dna from when frieza was killed on Earth. The Z fighters might have a chance with them being so weak even if goku died from heart disease
Even if they still die, Future Trunks (Son of Yamcha and Bulma) or Future Gohan could go back in time and help the Z Fighters survive against the Androids.
Well, Future Trunks would still exist, but in this case he would be the son of Yamcha and Bulma. Although who knows, maybe he won't exist if Bulma breaks up with Yamcha for whatever reason. Also, another reason for the idea of time travel is to change the past, but we all know about the multiverse theory.
We all knew it was going to happen. Vegeta’s power, even in Golden Great Ape, wouldn’t have been able to match Final Form Frieza. Yet, even then, this was a blast to watch. It’s dramatic and tense, the lingering sense of dread over the inevitable ending is palpable. You never disappoint, ‘Jutsu, and I’m eager to see What Else #15 and all it has to show.
@@SuperKamiGuruu Golden Great Ape is at least more than 8x SS3 based on the Goku and Baby scaling in GT GGA Goku > SF2 Baby (SS3) 4x> SF1 Baby (SS2) 2x> SS1 Baby > SS3 Goku So GGA Vegeta >>>>>57,600,000 SS4 is at the very least 8x GGA because of SS4 Goku being comparable to GGA Baby Though with the whole trend of Great Ape being a 10x boost and SS4 Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. I personally consider GGA as 10x SS3 while SS4 as 10x GGA. So the power levels for Vegeta if he had unlocked SS4 probably would’ve been Base Vegeta = 18,000 SS1 Vegeta = 900,000 SS2 Vegeta = 1,800,000 SS3 Vegeta = 7,200,000 GGA Vegeta = 72,000,000 SS4 Vegeta = 720,000,000
@@SuperKamiGuruuthat is not ss4 or golden great ape multiplier lmfao head canon is crazy. Dude gave us the SSb kaioken multiplier and act like we wouldn't notice. Ss4 isn't even a multiplier shits a full on evolution with constant growth. He went from losing to ss1 baby while ss3 to beating all of baby forms ss1-3 mutated and buffed them beating golden great ape also mutated, buffed, and zenkai boosted 2x..... From Bulma healing it over and over. All in that one form
The mutipler ssj4 never confirm fan just like to make sh up like used ssj3 and ozaru combine And people forget vegeta got a zenkai that make him from 18k to 320k or even 2mil4 if he were alive n tranform into ssj4 it reset entirely injuries before Ssj4 is like ultimate form from ben 10 where the saiyan ozaru n ssj get put to a stimulation world of suffer forced them to evolution to handlings And so they would be crazy strong after it Ssj5 is the pinnacle of saiyan race wheres it stated to be god of saiyan race not that fraud ssjg n ssjb ah 😂 User becoming intent murderous monster
@XRaiden1 Nah, they wished for it, and got the drawback of basically saying they'd never get stronger past that no matter the training. The real takeaway here is if you're gonna wish for power, don't get it from the dragon that's gonna monkey paw your wish.
@XRaiden1 No, they didn't. They wished for their fullest potential to be unleashed via the dragon Toronto, at the cost of them being unable to grow in power ever again. So, not only did they take a shortcut in having SSJ through SSJ3 without training their own powers, but even if they did train, they no longer have the ability to grow in strength, or exploit the Zenkai to become more powerful, since this IS them at their absolute strongest.
@@reddroid8499that is still MASSIVE depending on which canon you follow, ssj4 is between 4000x base and 40000x base under that pretext, with "Saiyan scholar" even stating that it could be Multiple Undecillion times stronger than base so 🤷♂️. So either Vegeta barely gets the dub, or he Stomps Frieza and leaves no room for blood to splatter. But even so, he died before he could use it, so it was a moot point regardless
@@reddroid8499 Thats completely false. Ssj3 goku went from getting absolutely stomped by baby to stomping baby with negative difficulty when he went golden oozaru. Golden oozaru by that logic is already way past a mere 500x multiplier And ssj4 goes far beyond golden oozaru Ssj4 goku was on par with golden oozaru baby, meaning the multiplier for ssj4 is far far beyond 4000x. If vegeta had somehow managed to go ssj4 without dying, he wouldve one shot frieza.
Damn that's dark... so they didn't know about the possibility of SSJ4 and I dont think anyone in the last video anticipated this either. I'm confused as to how Frieza killed Golden Ape Vegeta. What's the multiplier on that? And was he a SSJ Ape or a SSJ3 Ape? Can SSJ4 Vegeta even overcome Final Form Frieza, let alone 100% Frieza?
Great Ape is a X 10 multiplier, with SSj1 that makes it X500 for Golden. 25% stronger than SSj3 but still nowhere close to being a threat to Frieza at that point in the story.
@@Stellerman7 funny thing is, ssj4 is usually seen as a 2500x multiplier, and even with that freezer 50% would have been too much, without the zenkai boost they legit stood no chance
He killed Golden Ape Vegeta because he was probably around 9 million at best, that's not even 10% of true form Frieza's power, the multiplier should be 900,000(SSJ Vegeta) * 1, stronger than his SSJ3 form but as you see not even close to be a real threat to Frieza, now if he had the time to change into a SSJ4 while alive his power would skyrocket to 72 millions and then Vegeta would have the chance to kill Frieza right away.
@@Stellerman7if you analyse Goku vs baby, you’ll realise that x500 is nowhere near enough for that fight to make sense. Super Baby 2 was scared of the ape when he previously manhandled Ssj3 in a weaker form. If Super Baby 2 is x8 the form he fought Ssj3 in, then the golden ape should be ssj3x10 at bare minimum
@@Temonixs That's the first I've heard of it described that way; I could've sworn I've seen SSj4 as a 10X multiplier but I don't know how accurate that info is. 2500x feels like a total stretch though.
Looks like everyone was right with their power-level discussing, and it was pretty clear from the beginning narration how things were going to go for them by the end, but gotta admit, wasn't expecting a last minute appearance by SSJ4 Vegeta, even if it was only after he'd already been killed by that point. Reminds me of the What-If with Ginyu in Bardock's body when Goku almost managed to go SSJ before dying, or the hint of UI in Goku GT vs. Goku Super. Had Saiyan Saga-era Vegeta managed to fully transform before dying, would THAT have been enough to defeat Frieza finally, I wonder?
Without access to the Zenkai Boost trait, SSJ4 was permanently lost to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Reason being, Toronbo's terms of the wish granted: "Your battle power will stagnate and can never grow beyond what you currently are through training. The Zenkai Boost will be lost to you as well."
Copypasting my comment here: I think he could,yeah,if using the logic that Baby forms are mutated super saiyan forms: Ssj Baby > ssj3 Gt Goku Ssj3 Baby 8x ssj Baby Golden Oozaru Goku > ssj3 Baby Ssj4 Goku > Golden Oozaru Baby. Hell,even in the case ssj4 was not strong enough Vegeta could also try to stack the normal super sayian in it(like Super Goku did to the ssjGod and how Vegeta himself did here with the oozaru),which I'm sure would be strong enough to overwhelm Frieza. Their doom was both their pride and their limited knowledge.
Sadly he wouldn’t be, going by his power level being 18,000 at super saiyan 3 he would be at 7,200,000 while frieza at max is 120 million, while no multiplier for 4 exists it’s believed to be about 10. Even then vegeta would be 72 million compared to friezas 120. If vegeta was able to get one zenkai like in canon boosting his base to 30,000 he would be on par (like exactly 120) with frieza in ss4 and could win by frieza weakening over time but ye as is he and the others were cooked unless they all reached ss4/golden ozaru.
@@darknessbr3209 What is done in Super is not how SSJ through SSJ4 works. SSJ through SSJ4 are multipliers that are applied to the user's base power. All you have stated is pure speculation based upon information that has neither been officially established or accurate.
Love these What Else stories you are making. I was highly excited for this and honestly the outcome of the battle was expected. Hope you continue these alongside your amazing animations :)
Nice I was right that the multipliers weren't strong enough to beat Frieza. Ironically if Vegeta had 18,000 power level & Frieza maxes out at 120,000,000 Even a ss3 gold great ape with a power level of 72 million wouldn't be able to beat Frieza, there isn't really a multiplier for ss4 but we can assume it just barely beats frieza
SSJ3 Great Ape might have been enough, just because it would have forced Frieza into a state where he fatigues easily. Vegeta would have needed to tough out long enough for Frieza's power to plummet below his own.
It’s crazy to think that maybe if they started all out, went super saiyan great ape and somehow figured out about ssj4 they STILL might not have been strong enough
@@jordanpatterson8536 Clearly Vegeta achieved it as shown in the video, super saiyan 4 is not part of their potential, more like another transformation free for anyone to unlock. Hell, the ssg ritual was still available to them as well if they somehow could do it
I’d say if they somehow became SSJ4’s, Vegeta might be able to pull it off. SSJ4 is at LEAST a 4000x multiplier, putting Vegeta at 72 million at bare minimum. And since Freiza takes a while to rev up to 100%, Vegeta may be able to triumph if he strikes while the iron is hot. And that’s with a bare minimum multiplier of 4000. The true multiplier of SSJ4 is likely far higher based on what we saw during the Baby fight in GT.
Already know that First Form Frieza is gonna straight up humiliate SSJ3 Raditz. EDIT: Oh, 600,000, I thought it was gonna be less than First Form Frieza. Guess I calculated wrong.
Final Form Frieza is even stronger than a Hypothetical SSJ4 Raditiz so of course Frieza slams. Raditiz would probably need to go SSJG or SSGSS to even stand a chance against Frieza.
That's going a little far. The multiplier for ssj god is not only not stated but when Goku used it he was capable of destroying the dragon ball universe 7 to 12 times over maybe even more according to the current calculation of death battle. It's incomparable to ssj4. The multiplier was perhaps stronger than goku's base power when he faced beerus.
@@promiatey7520SSb is said to be like going super Saiyan in SSG so it being stronger than ss3 means it 400x 50 bare minimum SSG is probably like 500 at a low ball 20,000 with SSB bare minimum which means that raditz probably slams
Yeah, I was imagining this is what would happen. SS3 doesn't just magically put them at Goku's Buu Saga strength, it's specifically a 400x multiplier, which isn't even close to enough. Raditz is actually stronger than I thought he would be.
Cool hypothetical ssj4 vegeta when he died. Honestly the saiyans probably should trained a bit before making the whole wish for power. That way their potential would be alot higher when the wish was made
To be honest they had no idea about that he could transform even once let alone get so much more powerful, it'd be like if Cui went super alien 42 or smth on namek against vegeta for us, they didn't even suspect possibility of him being that much stronger Imagine it like this, you use a cheat code in some rpg game and reach lvl 999 then go fight a guy who was in your eyes at best lvl 100, then he suddenly changes into levels above million that you didn't even consider was possible
You know, if I had a nickel for how many transformations Hyourinjutsu accidentally predicted in his videos, I would have two nickels. It's not a lot but it's weird it happened twice
@gyrotor1783 He accidentally predicted Black Freeza in his first power scaling by implying that Freeza had a transformation beyond Golden Freeza that he didn't show
The Golden Great Ape’s inclusion makes me curious. In GT, GGA Goku becomes a threat to Baby Vegeta who not only has transformed twice since the last time Goku went SS3, but is implied to be a SS3 himself. This makes me believe GGA isn’t 10x stronger than SS1, but rather 10x stronger than SS3, potentially because that was Goku’s strongest state of Super Saiyan at that point. However, Vegeta was already beaten up from fighting and he also had to use a big chunk of his energy to create that fake moon, so whether GGA made his full PL 9,000,000 or 72,000,000, there were too many factors against him to be a threat to true form Frieza.
This is truly a dark timeline. I love it! I was nerding out and checking the math before the story went on and was so excited to see that how things were turning out. It really goes to show you how important it was that Vegeta went to earth and lost to Goku and co 🤔
5:18 It was at this moment Vegeta knew, he fucked up. I imagine if they had merely asked for the knowledge of how to transform into a Super Saiyan, it wouldn't have had the Monkey's Paw effect that ultimately led to the monkeys dying. It may have even encouraged a friendlier initial meeting of the brothers, Raditz seeking Kakarot as a training partner to achieve Super Saiyan.
With the theoretical multiplier, the 4000 time boost of ssj4 wouldn't have even been enough. 72000000 is less than the 120000000 Frieza's full power grants him 😢
I think baby vegito black vs ssj5 broly could be interesting. Perhaps blacks arrogance and baby’s desire to torment the saiyans for what they did to his people cause their resulting fusion to take their time with broly, allowing him to evolve into a super saiyan 5 and give BVB an actual challenge
Considering the fact that BVB quite literally pushed Beerus into UI (and even then BVB still had greater raw strength than Beerus according to the What If universe power scaling video), I very much doubt that even a hypothetical SSJ5 Broly would have beaten BVB, although if we're being realistic if Broly had gotten one more zenkai he would have transformed into SSJ4 Limitbreaker and not SSJ5 (Limitbreaker wasnt a concept yet when What if 9 was first uploaded). Still, would be interesting to see how that battle would turn out.
@rusty2812 yeah, just realized that unless what I just read was inaccurate, ssj5 is only 5 times stronger than ssj4. Even if that powerup allowed broly to match base BVB, kaioken x 20 would be more than enough to kill broly, lest you have him get a massive zenkai or grow at a ridiculous rate.
It goes to show how Important Zenkai really is. Super Saiyan is basically a Multiplier Transformation, but in the end it all comes down to its Base. If the Base isn't strong then the Transformation won't be as strong no matter how many times its Multiplied
Yep having a strong base is very important for the transformation to make you much stronger if Goku unlocked ssj with 90k he still be weaker than final form freeza
You made the og story feels a lot more impressive with Goku and the gang doing much better than a theoritical group of 3 super saiyan 3s. Great respect sir Hyorin
Danm... Completely dominated. The only chance they could have ever possibly had (aside from just jumping Frieza out the gate and vaporizing him) would be if they all somehow went SSJ4 and fired there absolute strongest techniques together in a team attack. Something alot of us don't factor is that powerful techniques have a sort of separate "attack multiplier" attached to them, like obviously a characters super or ultimate attacks hit massively harder than their fists do. Anyways the 3 of them in SSJ4 using their strongest techniques combined, assuming the individual "attack multipliers" were substantial enough, is the *ONLY way* i could see them winning and even then it would be extremely high-diff cuz if they missed or frieza hard countered it they wouldn't get a second chance... Goes to show just how fucked they were.
@Deltagamma1987 I'm going off of the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of SSJ3 X10 or Base X4000 Vegeta's base form had a power level of 18,000. 18,000 X 4000 = 72 Million. Frieza final form tops out at 120 Million, way higher than Vegeta. Now again I'm using the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier so if you wanted to use a theoretically higher multiplier then whatever but I feel that my point still stands. It's all pretty subjective at the end of the day.
@@tristanwelke7827 I take that multiplier for the Golden Ozaru because I find it logical for the form to multiply the strongest Super Saiyan form by ten times, just as the regular Ozaru multiplies the base form. This is because it is impossible for it to multiply Super Saiyan 1 by ten times based on how Baby Ozaru performs. So the SS4 being a huge power up to Golden Ozaru puts that Vegeta over 100% Frieza
@@Deltagamma1987 Fair enough, I had always viewed SSJ4 as sort just the Golden Oozaru being compacted into a more controllable form allowing more efficient use of the power for controlled strikes or guarding. Having SSJ4 further multiply off of the golden Oozaru does make some sense I hadn't thought about that. 🤔
@@tristanwelke7827 The short version is - Baby's forms are confirmed to be equivalent to SSJ (white hair), SSJ2 (big shoulders) and SSJ3 (Final form before ape) - His "SSJ" is at the very least comparable to SSJ3 Goku. He then goes "SSJ2" (Confirmed x2) and "SSJ3" (Confirmed x4) making him x8 stronger than SSJ3 Goku - He then goes Golden Ape and keeps his "SSJ3" hair so he's now x80 stronger than SSJ3 Goku - Goku was at worst even with him, but was trying not to kill Vegeta. So at the absolute lowest SSJ4 has to be x80 SSJ3, which would be Base x32,000 All of that treating "SSJ" Baby as equal to SSJ3 Goku despite him taking no damage from his attacks, ignoring him getting powered up by absorbing the energy of his infected fighters, and ignoring that SSJ4 Goku was handicapped by trying to not deal lethal damage. So SSJ4 could easily be counter as higher
I'd have expected it to go even worse, as I read the fact that "Your battle power will not improve through natural means, through *other* saiyan habilities or otherwise." Meaning that technically, great ape couldn't even have happened, they were that fucked.
This result was to be expected, their fate was sealed when they sacrificed their potential for the power of SSJ3. But now comes the question, without the start of the Saiyan saga...what will happen now with Goku and the other Z Fighters?
Interesting question, Without Raditz to cause the cataclysm of Gokus Heritage and Death which would've led to him knowing Techniques from King Kai, He won't get far after the Android Saga, Gokus only training partner relative to his power level was Piccolo, And without the Z Fighters Training for the Saiyan Threat, They'll be much much weaker, Cell will be there, probably with a much more Saiyan or Namekian Appearance without Frieza ever coming to earth, Lotsa changes without the Saiyan Arrivals
You know I wouldn’t mind if you made what if’s that take place in non canon storylines like the Shin Budokai games or Dragon Ball Fusions. I always wanted to see you make a Scenerio where Ultra Pininch wins
It’s actually surprising that great ape Vegeta lost. Considering that Frieza’s 100% is 120M BP, but he isn’t used to fighting like that. While Vegeta is used to fighting as a great ape and he alone should be at 94M BP as a golden great ape. It would’ve made more sense for Frieza to be overpowered and forced to either use 100% ineffectively, or his guided saucer attack to cut his tail. Either way, Vegeta had a chance to even the playing field, but it still looked like Frieza had a field trip fighting him. Anyway, really excited to see what Hyourinjutsu is cooking for part 15.
SSJ3 Raditz: 600,000 SSJ3 Nappa: 1,600,000 SSJ3 Vegeta: 7,200,000 SSJ4 Vegeta: 72,000,000 Full Power Frieza: 120,000,000 Overall, they were screwed from the start
So in this timeline, Goku never died from Raditz, Goku never fought or met Vegeta, Chaotzu (or however you spell his name) never got Ripd permanently from DBZ, Trunks was never born, Bulma probably settled for Yamcha, Goku probably would have lost to Frieza because he wouldn't have enough fights to go SS bc he wouldn't have fought Raditz, and Vegeta (not including Nappa bc it wouldn't make a difference) and even IF he somehow won he would've definitely got ripd by Android 19 in the cell saga, Perfect Cell would've been much weaker, Gohan would've been much weaker in the cell saga, Frieza probably would've lost to Buu after beating or joining Cell, if cell fights buu then it's the same as Frieza, Buu would be the strongest in the universe if he's able to hatch and would probably ultimately be ripd by Beerus who will then continue to sleep afterwards.
Wait are those the heros models in the thumbnail? Edit: ok nvm they're back to the sprites now, either he just changed it for some reason then immediately back or I'm just blind
Boy I like what if they are like multiverse or alternative timeline always having the same beginning but never the same end always showing things that could have happened if that character had died Either it hadn't existed or it had taken another path, several possibilities of good, neutral, bad, true endings. 🙂
Ok i won't lie. I wasn't expecting Vegeta's desperate Power Ball option. This reminds me of one of your earlier What Ifs where Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan on Namek to defeat Frieza. If they had all 3 jumped Frieza at the start, they would have succeeded. However, it wasn't just pride and ego that killed the Saiyan Trio. It was what they traded away. They traded away their potential for growth for a shortcut. Though i am curious. If Vegeta had managed to unlock Super Saiyan 4, would he have stood a chance? Or would he have ultimately died?
Now I wonder if super Saiyan 4 would have been enough... probably, since (in the what ifs, at least) it seems to be much more than a 10 times multiplier on top of super Saiyan 3. With Vegeta's 7.2 milion, a 15 times boost would be more than enough for freeza
No it wouldn't at most he would be around 90 million not comparable to friezas 120 million, and no vegeta died because frieza killed him not that his life span was taken, torobo takes away their potential not lifespan
@@YourLovelyGuy9442 remember in What If 4, Vegeta at weakest was at like 2,000,000 in power level, and a SSJ power level of upwards of 100,000,000 he was still able to beat Frieza, because he crippled him before Frieza could use 100% effectively likely would have happened the same way here if Vegeta got SSJ4
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Hello! Make sure to watch [What Else 13] before this one: ua-cam.com/video/a1-fkE6YdvQ/v-deo.html. It's crucial to watch the previous one to understand the premise of this video, as it's a direct continuation! Also, tell me what you think about the story! Do you think things should have gone differently? Please comment your thoughts below!
I kinda would like to see a full animation where vegeta tests out golden oozaru sooner and they all get ss4 before meeting frieza.
Also do one of dbs broly gaining control and going ss4 against gogeta.
Ok
Totally agree with the outcome. It would be interesting to see what happens in the rest of this universe.... Goku never fights Raditiz or Vegeta.... Does he still even go to Namek? Does Dr. Gero make the androids as strong as we know them to be? What cells are used to make Cell? I personally think Dr. Gero would take over earth (and eventually beat Frieza).
Why didn't they wish for immortality. And if they did what would've happened
Unlocking SSJ4 after dying is incredible insult to injury
Wouldn't at all be surprised if him unlocking ssj4 ultimately saved his life... Because let's be real ssj4 takes a beating and keeps kicking. (And it even reverted kid Goku curse...) But def a well deserved comeuppance
@@Jamstaro1 honestly hope theirs another part to this or another what if for this what if like if goku could stall for enough time for a spirit bomb whos to say they couldnt do that for a idk hypothetical interest of frieza wanting to see vegeta full power [SSJ4] like idk vegeta was doing research and seeing if theirs something beyond even SS3 and he feels like he can do something but he just doesnt know what besides a gut feeling it has to do something with great ape.
He definitely did the thumb pose during all this which led to this tragedy.
Hyourinjutsu made a mistake as ssj4 was shown to have a healing factor ssj4 should have been able to beat frieza
@@JadoBouhzam Probably, since a theoretical SS3 Great Ape Vegeta would have a power lvl of 72M so whatever power multiplier SS4 would give would likely surpass 100% Frieza.
Though unless Vegeta triggers SS4 immediately against Frieza he's getting bodied like he did in the video.
Love the twist of him turning Super Saiyan 4 after death. I absolutely love how you mix every aspect of the Dragon Ball canon into your What If scenarios. It's so cool to see what could have been had characters discovered these things that (when their arcs were written) didn't exist
We would be in good hands if they hired this guy officially
Meanwhile on earth:
Goku:"Man i love just chilling here with wife my son and all my frie- OH GOD MY HEART-"
Not to mention that the cyborgs and androids still exist. Cell too, even though he would be much weaker
@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 Best chance they have is If Gohan could still fight the weaker androids, atleast until Bulma could finish the time machine and go back
@@simonhenriqueesilvalima90 The Androids would also be weaker since they weren't made using Saiyan Saga Data in this timeline. They'd still be strong but vastly weaker than the Main Timeline. Cell might not even need to have been created if Goku shows his small growth from the Ending of OG DB and the Beginning of Z.
It's possible Goku could train more. Basing off Salad Saiyan's What if Bardock went Super Saiyan Against Frieza, Goku would train under Kami and Kami would ask King Kai to train him.
@@Kenny-hd4ef goku never visits planet yardrat ( its where he got the heart virus) so goku is fine and never dies here.
I actually expected as much. Gokus training and that sayian trait combined really puts him in a different league
@@FFX2KH2Master yea
I love it when fan material still respects the overall message of the original work.
Happy Freeza Day to all who celebrate!
"Goddammit, brother, everything has to be about you" -Cooler
@@Alejandro.Moctezuma "Well that is what father said"
@@Metal2005'He also said he loved us both equally'
- Dragon mentions that before granting the wish, all 3 Saiyans will lose all their future potential and cap at whatever multiplier SS3 grants
- Saiyans ignore this
- Saiyans immediately go and pull up on Frieza
...Oh. that's gore. That's gore of the Saiyans
oh thats gore of my comfort character... *picture of raditz getting obliterated*
They could have still trained while using the super Saiyan form
But they were too prideful for that
Because they thought they were invincible
@@caco6762 Toronbo COMPLETELY stripped them of their potential. They could not get stronger through any means, whether it be training or Zenkais, only the transformations.
@@Rayoflight666 *title card*
“On a scale from 1-10 my friend, you’re fucked.”
- Frieza
"Vegeta, I don't know how else to say this....*we're fucked*."
Man these videos are literally the perfect fillers to pass the time, such a good concept!
Yea
nah their main mistake was not blitzing freiza, if they did that they wouldve won handily. But villians in DBZ LOVE to gloat so that was never gonna happen
Their Pride was their downfall.
Honestly, props to Vegeta even realizing they needed to before Frieza finished. It was too little too late, but as cocky as they had gotten, it was inevitable things would go out of control, knowing what we know.
Frieza is too durable. Remember he survived namek blowing up with half a body and an angry Kamehameha. Same with broly 90 mins and God toppo owning him in super.
@@MrVariantFrieza got sliced into two by his own death saucers, cut in half by Trunks instantly, and had his tail cut by Krillin. In addition he was one shot and knocked out his form by Jiren
@@NeonSwordsManFangattack well trunks killed him instantly like Fusion Reborn Teen Gohan (cell saga should be tween gohan lol), which Z and GT were big on villain decay. Otherwise he hit hard and kept transforming like dragon quest 4 Psaro.
“3 coughing babies vs 1 hydrogen nuke” ass battle
"We are sure to win because our numbers are superior."
Getting the Super Saiyan 4 right after Vegeta died was so tragically comical.
Amazing work as always! I thought Raditz might find the Super Saiyan 4 form since Bardock’s wish for him to thrive was mentioned. Wouldn’t it be fitting if Raditz took over Frieza’s empire?
That's kind of a sad end for the Saiyans. Maybe Goku can yet still prosper on an Earth untouched by Frieza's forces, but with the Android threat over the horizon, I would not bet on it.
Yup
The androids would be substantially weaker without the saiyan and frieza saga having happened, as gero somehow had frieza dna he at the very least got the dna from when frieza was killed on Earth. The Z fighters might have a chance with them being so weak even if goku died from heart disease
Even if they still die, Future Trunks (Son of Yamcha and Bulma) or Future Gohan could go back in time and help the Z Fighters survive against the Androids.
No future trunks since vegeta never went to earth too so goku never gets the heart virus 😢
Well, Future Trunks would still exist, but in this case he would be the son of Yamcha and Bulma. Although who knows, maybe he won't exist if Bulma breaks up with Yamcha for whatever reason.
Also, another reason for the idea of time travel is to change the past, but we all know about the multiverse theory.
The fact he turned SS4 as he died… Such a gut punch he wouldn’t even get to know.
He’ll be pissed as hell in otherworld.
Still wouldn't have been enough.
@@JulianLopez-rt6kp that’s debatable as people have it as little as 4000x to as high as the millions
@@abeyohando4976 its just 10x ssj3
@@HolyLightofAngelshould be more than 50% frieza but well he died
Honestly, the fact that they collectively went SSJ3, and weren't even at 𝐡𝐚𝐥𝐟 of Frezia's power, goes to show just how much of a monster he was.
Nah their base power was just that shitty
And now that he has Black Frieza he’s back at the top
We all knew it was going to happen. Vegeta’s power, even in Golden Great Ape, wouldn’t have been able to match Final Form Frieza. Yet, even then, this was a blast to watch. It’s dramatic and tense, the lingering sense of dread over the inevitable ending is palpable. You never disappoint, ‘Jutsu, and I’m eager to see What Else #15 and all it has to show.
18,000×50×10 = 9,000,000 = ssj ozozaru vegeta
18,000x50x10 (x2?) = 18,000,000 = ssj4 vegeta if akive
18,000×50×10 (x 10?) = 90,000,000 = ssj4 vegeta if alive
18,000×50×10 (x 100?) 900,000,000 = ssj4 vegeta if alive at max
@@SuperKamiGuruu Golden Great Ape is at least more than 8x SS3 based on the Goku and Baby scaling in GT
GGA Goku > SF2 Baby (SS3) 4x> SF1 Baby (SS2) 2x> SS1 Baby > SS3 Goku
So GGA Vegeta >>>>>57,600,000
SS4 is at the very least 8x GGA because of SS4 Goku being comparable to GGA Baby
Though with the whole trend of Great Ape being a 10x boost and SS4 Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. I personally consider GGA as 10x SS3 while SS4 as 10x GGA. So the power levels for Vegeta if he had unlocked SS4 probably would’ve been
Base Vegeta = 18,000
SS1 Vegeta = 900,000
SS2 Vegeta = 1,800,000
SS3 Vegeta = 7,200,000
GGA Vegeta = 72,000,000
SS4 Vegeta = 720,000,000
@@peterhuang5968 yep
@@SuperKamiGuruuthat is not ss4 or golden great ape multiplier lmfao head canon is crazy. Dude gave us the SSb kaioken multiplier and act like we wouldn't notice. Ss4 isn't even a multiplier shits a full on evolution with constant growth. He went from losing to ss1 baby while ss3 to beating all of baby forms ss1-3 mutated and buffed them beating golden great ape also mutated, buffed, and zenkai boosted 2x..... From Bulma healing it over and over. All in that one form
The mutipler ssj4 never confirm fan just like to make sh up like used ssj3 and ozaru combine
And people forget vegeta got a zenkai that make him from 18k to 320k or even 2mil4 if he were alive n tranform into ssj4 it reset entirely injuries before
Ssj4 is like ultimate form from ben 10 where the saiyan ozaru n ssj get put to a stimulation world of suffer forced them to evolution to handlings
And so they would be crazy strong after it
Ssj5 is the pinnacle of saiyan race wheres it stated to be god of saiyan race not that fraud ssjg n ssjb ah 😂
User becoming intent murderous monster
Well, i sure hope someone doesnt pick up that phone...
Because I F****** CALLED IT!
Good ol' TFS Cooler
Lesson learned. Train for your power.
Eh what?
Pretty sure thats what they did lol
@XRaiden1 Nah, they wished for it, and got the drawback of basically saying they'd never get stronger past that no matter the training.
The real takeaway here is if you're gonna wish for power, don't get it from the dragon that's gonna monkey paw your wish.
@XRaiden1 No, they didn't. They wished for their fullest potential to be unleashed via the dragon Toronto, at the cost of them being unable to grow in power ever again.
So, not only did they take a shortcut in having SSJ through SSJ3 without training their own powers, but even if they did train, they no longer have the ability to grow in strength, or exploit the Zenkai to become more powerful, since this IS them at their absolute strongest.
@@ShadowKnux372yeah
and no one thought of pulling a zenkai hack
What about sonic?
Radits "Boys we're so cooked"
I believe the saying is deep fried.
I knew they were gonna lose, we all did. But just when I thought Vegeta was gonna discover Super Saiyan 4....it was over.
But even then would it even have done any good?
@@reddroid8499yes because ssj4 is far stronger than golden oozaru
@hippydragonnslayerxdlmaohi3921 supposedly the multiplayer is only 10x ssj3
@@reddroid8499that is still MASSIVE depending on which canon you follow, ssj4 is between 4000x base and 40000x base under that pretext, with "Saiyan scholar" even stating that it could be Multiple Undecillion times stronger than base so 🤷♂️.
So either Vegeta barely gets the dub, or he Stomps Frieza and leaves no room for blood to splatter.
But even so, he died before he could use it, so it was a moot point regardless
@@reddroid8499 Thats completely false. Ssj3 goku went from getting absolutely stomped by baby to stomping baby with negative difficulty when he went golden oozaru.
Golden oozaru by that logic is already way past a mere 500x multiplier
And ssj4 goes far beyond golden oozaru
Ssj4 goku was on par with golden oozaru baby, meaning the multiplier for ssj4 is far far beyond 4000x.
If vegeta had somehow managed to go ssj4 without dying, he wouldve one shot frieza.
Dang. I was expecting a cliffhanger where Vegeta at the last moment turns into a SSJ4 to fight Frieza. But the short was good anyways
That ending hurt, but it was good all the same.
Bro predicted Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta appearing in Dragon Ball: Daima.
Dude, Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta was a thing since Dragon Ball Raging Blast and Dragon Ball Heroes. XD
@Super Dragon Ball Heroes wasn’t cannon at that time. 🤣
Damn that's dark... so they didn't know about the possibility of SSJ4 and I dont think anyone in the last video anticipated this either. I'm confused as to how Frieza killed Golden Ape Vegeta. What's the multiplier on that? And was he a SSJ Ape or a SSJ3 Ape? Can SSJ4 Vegeta even overcome Final Form Frieza, let alone 100% Frieza?
Great Ape is a X 10 multiplier, with SSj1 that makes it X500 for Golden. 25% stronger than SSj3 but still nowhere close to being a threat to Frieza at that point in the story.
@@Stellerman7 funny thing is, ssj4 is usually seen as a 2500x multiplier, and even with that freezer 50% would have been too much, without the zenkai boost they legit stood no chance
He killed Golden Ape Vegeta because he was probably around 9 million at best, that's not even 10% of true form Frieza's power, the multiplier should be 900,000(SSJ Vegeta) * 1, stronger than his SSJ3 form but as you see not even close to be a real threat to Frieza, now if he had the time to change into a SSJ4 while alive his power would skyrocket to 72 millions and then Vegeta would have the chance to kill Frieza right away.
@@Stellerman7if you analyse Goku vs baby, you’ll realise that x500 is nowhere near enough for that fight to make sense. Super Baby 2 was scared of the ape when he previously manhandled Ssj3 in a weaker form. If Super Baby 2 is x8 the form he fought Ssj3 in, then the golden ape should be ssj3x10 at bare minimum
@@Temonixs That's the first I've heard of it described that way; I could've sworn I've seen SSj4 as a 10X multiplier but I don't know how accurate that info is. 2500x feels like a total stretch though.
I imagined Frieza being voiced by the old funimation dub actress its a nice fitting
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Looks like everyone was right with their power-level discussing, and it was pretty clear from the beginning narration how things were going to go for them by the end, but gotta admit, wasn't expecting a last minute appearance by SSJ4 Vegeta, even if it was only after he'd already been killed by that point. Reminds me of the What-If with Ginyu in Bardock's body when Goku almost managed to go SSJ before dying, or the hint of UI in Goku GT vs. Goku Super.
Had Saiyan Saga-era Vegeta managed to fully transform before dying, would THAT have been enough to defeat Frieza finally, I wonder?
Without access to the Zenkai Boost trait, SSJ4 was permanently lost to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz. Reason being, Toronbo's terms of the wish granted: "Your battle power will stagnate and can never grow beyond what you currently are through training. The Zenkai Boost will be lost to you as well."
Ssj4 wouldn’t have beat frieza either as it would have a battle power of 90million
Copypasting my comment here:
I think he could,yeah,if using the logic that Baby forms are mutated super saiyan forms:
Ssj Baby > ssj3 Gt Goku
Ssj3 Baby 8x ssj Baby
Golden Oozaru Goku > ssj3 Baby
Ssj4 Goku > Golden Oozaru Baby.
Hell,even in the case ssj4 was not strong enough Vegeta could also try to stack the normal super sayian in it(like Super Goku did to the ssjGod and how Vegeta himself did here with the oozaru),which I'm sure would be strong enough to overwhelm Frieza.
Their doom was both their pride and their limited knowledge.
Sadly he wouldn’t be, going by his power level being 18,000 at super saiyan 3 he would be at 7,200,000 while frieza at max is 120 million, while no multiplier for 4 exists it’s believed to be about 10. Even then vegeta would be 72 million compared to friezas 120. If vegeta was able to get one zenkai like in canon boosting his base to 30,000 he would be on par (like exactly 120) with frieza in ss4 and could win by frieza weakening over time but ye as is he and the others were cooked unless they all reached ss4/golden ozaru.
@@darknessbr3209
What is done in Super is not how SSJ through SSJ4 works. SSJ through SSJ4 are multipliers that are applied to the user's base power.
All you have stated is pure speculation based upon information that has neither been officially established or accurate.
Love these What Else stories you are making. I was highly excited for this and honestly the outcome of the battle was expected. Hope you continue these alongside your amazing animations :)
Vegeta achieving a SSJ4 after death is the most Vegeta thing ever
At long last I've ascend-*dies
Nice I was right that the multipliers weren't strong enough to beat Frieza.
Ironically if Vegeta had 18,000 power level & Frieza maxes out at 120,000,000
Even a ss3 gold great ape with a power level of 72 million wouldn't be able to beat Frieza, there isn't really a multiplier for ss4 but we can assume it just barely beats frieza
SSJ3 Great Ape might have been enough, just because it would have forced Frieza into a state where he fatigues easily. Vegeta would have needed to tough out long enough for Frieza's power to plummet below his own.
It’s crazy to think that maybe if they started all out, went super saiyan great ape and somehow figured out about ssj4 they STILL might not have been strong enough
They couldn't just achieve Super Saiyan 4, Toronbo halted their potential.
@@jordanpatterson8536 Clearly Vegeta achieved it as shown in the video, super saiyan 4 is not part of their potential, more like another transformation free for anyone to unlock. Hell, the ssg ritual was still available to them as well if they somehow could do it
It wouldn’t be enough Vegeta would be at most 72 million
@ bro vegeta died in ssj4 in the what else. There’s bound to have been some way
I’d say if they somehow became SSJ4’s, Vegeta might be able to pull it off. SSJ4 is at LEAST a 4000x multiplier, putting Vegeta at 72 million at bare minimum. And since Freiza takes a while to rev up to 100%, Vegeta may be able to triumph if he strikes while the iron is hot. And that’s with a bare minimum multiplier of 4000. The true multiplier of SSJ4 is likely far higher based on what we saw during the Baby fight in GT.
Already know that First Form Frieza is gonna straight up humiliate SSJ3 Raditz.
EDIT: Oh, 600,000, I thought it was gonna be less than First Form Frieza. Guess I calculated wrong.
Final Form Frieza is even stronger than a Hypothetical SSJ4 Raditiz so of course Frieza slams. Raditiz would probably need to go SSJG or SSGSS to even stand a chance against Frieza.
That's going a little far. The multiplier for ssj god is not only not stated but when Goku used it he was capable of destroying the dragon ball universe 7 to 12 times over maybe even more according to the current calculation of death battle. It's incomparable to ssj4. The multiplier was perhaps stronger than goku's base power when he faced beerus.
@supergogeta4573 where are you getting 12 times over? Lol
@@thegaminganimationstudio7976there's no official multiplier for neither of these forms, how do you even compare this to final form Frieza?
@@promiatey7520SSb is said to be like going super Saiyan in SSG so it being stronger than ss3 means it 400x 50 bare minimum
SSG is probably like 500 at a low ball
20,000 with SSB bare minimum which means that raditz probably slams
Yeah, I was imagining this is what would happen. SS3 doesn't just magically put them at Goku's Buu Saga strength, it's specifically a 400x multiplier, which isn't even close to enough. Raditz is actually stronger than I thought he would be.
2:18 bro was boutta say monkeys💀
Cool hypothetical ssj4 vegeta when he died. Honestly the saiyans probably should trained a bit before making the whole wish for power. That way their potential would be alot higher when the wish was made
Yup
To be honest they had no idea about that he could transform even once let alone get so much more powerful, it'd be like if Cui went super alien 42 or smth on namek against vegeta for us, they didn't even suspect possibility of him being that much stronger
Imagine it like this, you use a cheat code in some rpg game and reach lvl 999 then go fight a guy who was in your eyes at best lvl 100, then he suddenly changes into levels above million that you didn't even consider was possible
Training wouldn't amount to anything, Torombo said they wouldn't grow from it anymore, the power they had were the maximum.
The other problem is that they lost the senkais boosts because of the wish
Learn to read kid he said they should've trained before@@rafaelferreira7408
SSJ4 Vegeta looks to be somewhat in the Yamcha pose there too. Ouch.
My man back at it with exquisite writing at its finest degree god, i love ur what ifs keep up the phenomenal work man. 🎉
You know, if I had a nickel for how many transformations Hyourinjutsu accidentally predicted in his videos, I would have two nickels. It's not a lot but it's weird it happened twice
Whats the first one?
@gyrotor1783 He accidentally predicted Black Freeza in his first power scaling by implying that Freeza had a transformation beyond Golden Freeza that he didn't show
@@ocurtamemes1477 at the time I was thinking of the 5th form like Cooler's. Oh well it turns into a foreshadow, that was awesome
The Golden Great Ape’s inclusion makes me curious. In GT, GGA Goku becomes a threat to Baby Vegeta who not only has transformed twice since the last time Goku went SS3, but is implied to be a SS3 himself. This makes me believe GGA isn’t 10x stronger than SS1, but rather 10x stronger than SS3, potentially because that was Goku’s strongest state of Super Saiyan at that point.
However, Vegeta was already beaten up from fighting and he also had to use a big chunk of his energy to create that fake moon, so whether GGA made his full PL 9,000,000 or 72,000,000, there were too many factors against him to be a threat to true form Frieza.
This is truly a dark timeline. I love it! I was nerding out and checking the math before the story went on and was so excited to see that how things were turning out. It really goes to show you how important it was that Vegeta went to earth and lost to Goku and co 🤔
Yeah, they never stood a chance, I was right
The Grim Reality...
Nah this is funny as hell.
Basically suggesting Goku and gang in canon did way better than a group of Super saiyan 3s. That was awesome!
What Else idea: What if Raditz never came to Earth and Piccolo is free to enact his revenge
Basically this story's earth
Saw this coming... Had they just quit messing around and done a surprise attack in one go. Then they'd have a chance.
facts
I like the concept
Interesting that this also would lead to 'what if the Saiyans never visited Earth'
An amazing story. I am completely satisfied
I kinda like this What-Else episode because nearly everybody who watched the previous episode saw this outcome happening.
5:18 It was at this moment Vegeta knew, he fucked up. I imagine if they had merely asked for the knowledge of how to transform into a Super Saiyan, it wouldn't have had the Monkey's Paw effect that ultimately led to the monkeys dying. It may have even encouraged a friendlier initial meeting of the brothers, Raditz seeking Kakarot as a training partner to achieve Super Saiyan.
Amazing😊😊😊
Ah as soon as saw there was a sequel to this I was thinking "Ah, they're cooked."
crazy timing to see how Vegeta got SSJ3 in Daima
Very nice and overall well executed. I’d honestly love to see this animated into an actual fight.
Awesome dude I like how you showed each character and how the dight would play out
Especially Since they were fighting in stagnant states
Please keep doing these.
Great job on this _Hyourinjutsu_ :D
Frieza is just something else
The 3 saiyans did the best they could, but they were doomed to lose against Frieza.
With the theoretical multiplier, the 4000 time boost of ssj4 wouldn't have even been enough. 72000000 is less than the 120000000 Frieza's full power grants him 😢
Theorhetically, he would have received a Zenkai from going to great ape to SSJ4 much like Broly did in the other What-If
4000 is significantly less than the SSJ4 multiplier. People have scaled it to the millions. If he got SSJ4 he would smoked Frieza.
@@jeromemckoy6588he can't get zenkais anymore due to the wish
@@HansWalter-z6c Yeah, he didn’t get it therefore he stayed down.
Super Saiyan 4 is much more than just 4000 x Base
Everyone: Toriyama hated Vegeta!
Hyourin: *Gives Vegeta Super Saiyan 4 AFTER he dies for the lolz*
I just new I was going to wake up on Christmas Day with the What if, damn well maybe we’ll get it in the new year?
I think baby vegito black vs ssj5 broly could be interesting. Perhaps blacks arrogance and baby’s desire to torment the saiyans for what they did to his people cause their resulting fusion to take their time with broly, allowing him to evolve into a super saiyan 5 and give BVB an actual challenge
Totally agree with you
Considering the fact that BVB quite literally pushed Beerus into UI (and even then BVB still had greater raw strength than Beerus according to the What If universe power scaling video), I very much doubt that even a hypothetical SSJ5 Broly would have beaten BVB, although if we're being realistic if Broly had gotten one more zenkai he would have transformed into SSJ4 Limitbreaker and not SSJ5 (Limitbreaker wasnt a concept yet when What if 9 was first uploaded).
Still, would be interesting to see how that battle would turn out.
@rusty2812 yeah, just realized that unless what I just read was inaccurate, ssj5 is only 5 times stronger than ssj4. Even if that powerup allowed broly to match base BVB, kaioken x 20 would be more than enough to kill broly, lest you have him get a massive zenkai or grow at a ridiculous rate.
@@Lord_Taylor-b2w Dude, SSJ5 is a fan-made form, how did you pulled that multipler 😭
@@nathanielus5296af probably has like a statement saying the ss5 form multiplier which is the one people usually talk about
It goes to show how Important Zenkai really is. Super Saiyan is basically a Multiplier Transformation, but in the end it all comes down to its Base. If the Base isn't strong then the Transformation won't be as strong no matter how many times its Multiplied
Yep having a strong base is very important for the transformation to make you much stronger if Goku unlocked ssj with 90k he still be weaker than final form freeza
You made the og story feels a lot more impressive with Goku and the gang doing much better than a theoritical group of 3 super saiyan 3s. Great respect sir Hyorin
Exactly as I expected. Still a great video!
Merry Christmas Hyourinjutsu
Reading it in Linda Young voice makes it even better 🐉
It's kinda sad, but i do like the idea how SSJ3 multiple theyr strenght 500x tiems :D
Damn, Vegeta dies without knowing a Super Saiyan 4. Good effort though.
Still Goated videos, thks for that content
Peak incoming
If only Vegeta could have pulled off super saiyan 4 while alive
Vegeta: I made critical mistake
Another dope entry🔥 . Happy holidays, everybody stay safe 🙏
Danm... Completely dominated.
The only chance they could have ever possibly had (aside from just jumping Frieza out the gate and vaporizing him) would be if they all somehow went SSJ4 and fired there absolute strongest techniques together in a team attack.
Something alot of us don't factor is that powerful techniques have a sort of separate "attack multiplier" attached to them, like obviously a characters super or ultimate attacks hit massively harder than their fists do.
Anyways the 3 of them in SSJ4 using their strongest techniques combined, assuming the individual "attack multipliers" were substantial enough, is the *ONLY way* i could see them winning and even then it would be extremely high-diff cuz if they missed or frieza hard countered it they wouldn't get a second chance... Goes to show just how fucked they were.
Nah, Vegeta in SS4 simply slaps Frieza and thats it
@Deltagamma1987
I'm going off of the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of SSJ3 X10 or Base X4000
Vegeta's base form had a power level of 18,000.
18,000 X 4000 = 72 Million.
Frieza final form tops out at 120 Million, way higher than Vegeta.
Now again I'm using the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier so if you wanted to use a theoretically higher multiplier then whatever but I feel that my point still stands. It's all pretty subjective at the end of the day.
@@tristanwelke7827 I take that multiplier for the Golden Ozaru because I find it logical for the form to multiply the strongest Super Saiyan form by ten times, just as the regular Ozaru multiplies the base form. This is because it is impossible for it to multiply Super Saiyan 1 by ten times based on how Baby Ozaru performs.
So the SS4 being a huge power up to Golden Ozaru puts that Vegeta over 100% Frieza
@@Deltagamma1987
Fair enough, I had always viewed SSJ4 as sort just the Golden Oozaru being compacted into a more controllable form allowing more efficient use of the power for controlled strikes or guarding.
Having SSJ4 further multiply off of the golden Oozaru does make some sense I hadn't thought about that. 🤔
@@tristanwelke7827 The short version is
- Baby's forms are confirmed to be equivalent to SSJ (white hair), SSJ2 (big shoulders) and SSJ3 (Final form before ape)
- His "SSJ" is at the very least comparable to SSJ3 Goku. He then goes "SSJ2" (Confirmed x2) and "SSJ3" (Confirmed x4) making him x8 stronger than SSJ3 Goku
- He then goes Golden Ape and keeps his "SSJ3" hair so he's now x80 stronger than SSJ3 Goku
- Goku was at worst even with him, but was trying not to kill Vegeta. So at the absolute lowest SSJ4 has to be x80 SSJ3, which would be Base x32,000
All of that treating "SSJ" Baby as equal to SSJ3 Goku despite him taking no damage from his attacks, ignoring him getting powered up by absorbing the energy of his infected fighters, and ignoring that SSJ4 Goku was handicapped by trying to not deal lethal damage. So SSJ4 could easily be counter as higher
I'd have expected it to go even worse, as I read the fact that "Your battle power will not improve through natural means, through *other* saiyan habilities or otherwise."
Meaning that technically, great ape couldn't even have happened, they were that fucked.
This result was to be expected, their fate was sealed when they sacrificed their potential for the power of SSJ3.
But now comes the question, without the start of the Saiyan saga...what will happen now with Goku and the other Z Fighters?
Goku and Piccolo probably have their rematch.
Interesting question, Without Raditz to cause the cataclysm of Gokus Heritage and Death which would've led to him knowing Techniques from King Kai, He won't get far after the Android Saga, Gokus only training partner relative to his power level was Piccolo, And without the Z Fighters Training for the Saiyan Threat, They'll be much much weaker, Cell will be there, probably with a much more Saiyan or Namekian Appearance without Frieza ever coming to earth, Lotsa changes without the Saiyan Arrivals
Vegeta had SSJ3, unlocked SSJ1 and then SSJ4 in death
You know I wouldn’t mind if you made what if’s that take place in non canon storylines like the Shin Budokai games or Dragon Ball Fusions. I always wanted to see you make a Scenerio where Ultra Pininch wins
Merry Christmas 🎉🎉🎉🎄🎄🎁🎁
I’m not surprised they lost.
The moment toronbo gave them ssj3, it was the moment they were set up entirely.
Yup @@Mike16192
Yes, power levels are bullshit
@kubawoowio9989 Power levels are the reason they lost lmao
Gay ass spoiler
What a day! First MikeO and now you!
The music was very fitting
It’s actually surprising that great ape Vegeta lost. Considering that Frieza’s 100% is 120M BP, but he isn’t used to fighting like that. While Vegeta is used to fighting as a great ape and he alone should be at 94M BP as a golden great ape.
It would’ve made more sense for Frieza to be overpowered and forced to either use 100% ineffectively, or his guided saucer attack to cut his tail.
Either way, Vegeta had a chance to even the playing field, but it still looked like Frieza had a field trip fighting him.
Anyway, really excited to see what Hyourinjutsu is cooking for part 15.
I love all of these.If you’re willing to animate any of these what else’s,could you please do Namek saga Vegito and Super buu in Beast?Amazing work.❤
yep saw that one coming that was a bad wish but anyways Merry Christmas everyone and stay safe
They would've won if they had turles in the team
Yeah the tree of might fruit power boost would have been game changer
It's funny when nappa transform his beard grows instead of hairs.
SSJ3 Raditz: 600,000
SSJ3 Nappa: 1,600,000
SSJ3 Vegeta: 7,200,000
SSJ4 Vegeta: 72,000,000
Full Power Frieza: 120,000,000
Overall, they were screwed from the start
So in this timeline, Goku never died from Raditz, Goku never fought or met Vegeta, Chaotzu (or however you spell his name) never got Ripd permanently from DBZ, Trunks was never born, Bulma probably settled for Yamcha, Goku probably would have lost to Frieza because he wouldn't have enough fights to go SS bc he wouldn't have fought Raditz, and Vegeta (not including Nappa bc it wouldn't make a difference) and even IF he somehow won he would've definitely got ripd by Android 19 in the cell saga, Perfect Cell would've been much weaker, Gohan would've been much weaker in the cell saga, Frieza probably would've lost to Buu after beating or joining Cell, if cell fights buu then it's the same as Frieza, Buu would be the strongest in the universe if he's able to hatch and would probably ultimately be ripd by Beerus who will then continue to sleep afterwards.
Wait are those the heros models in the thumbnail?
Edit: ok nvm they're back to the sprites now, either he just changed it for some reason then immediately back or I'm just blind
Boy I like what if they are like multiverse or alternative timeline always having the same beginning but never the same end always showing things that could have happened if that character had died Either it hadn't existed or it had taken another path, several possibilities of good, neutral, bad, true endings. 🙂
Okay it’s official. POWER BOOSTS ARE BULLSHIT FOR VEGETA DAMMIT.
Vegeta: "power levels are bs!"
Ok i won't lie. I wasn't expecting Vegeta's desperate Power Ball option.
This reminds me of one of your earlier What Ifs where Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan on Namek to defeat Frieza. If they had all 3 jumped Frieza at the start, they would have succeeded. However, it wasn't just pride and ego that killed the Saiyan Trio. It was what they traded away. They traded away their potential for growth for a shortcut.
Though i am curious. If Vegeta had managed to unlock Super Saiyan 4, would he have stood a chance? Or would he have ultimately died?
Without access to the Zenkai Boost, SSJ4 is impossible. Even if it was possible, it wouldn't have mattered.
Super Saiyan 4 would win
Ssj4 have 4000x power multiplier. So it is 18000 x 4000 = 72mil. Still weaker than Frieza full power
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It would not in this case.
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There is no canonically established multiplier for SSJ4.
Now I wonder if super Saiyan 4 would have been enough... probably, since (in the what ifs, at least) it seems to be much more than a 10 times multiplier on top of super Saiyan 3. With Vegeta's 7.2 milion, a 15 times boost would be more than enough for freeza
frieza: time to wait your transformation were out, and in the meanwhile, i can unlock golden
About right. Maybe Super Saiyan 4 could've turned it around, but as we saw with Gas it'd eat at Vegeta's life in mere moments.
No it wouldn't at most he would be around 90 million not comparable to friezas 120 million, and no vegeta died because frieza killed him not that his life span was taken, torobo takes away their potential not lifespan
@@YourLovelyGuy9442 remember in What If 4, Vegeta at weakest was at like 2,000,000 in power level, and a SSJ power level of upwards of 100,000,000
he was still able to beat Frieza, because he crippled him before Frieza could use 100% effectively
likely would have happened the same way here if Vegeta got SSJ4
So We Can expect That Big One Tomorrow right
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bro did you predict this??