@@hariranormal5584 Why is it "hideous" that trespass is not a criminal offence in the UK? I feel that people should be able to trespass anywhere (except for peoples homes) without legal consequences. As a citizen of the UK I feel that I should be able to see everything this country has to offer, including areas of private property that I am "not allowed" to go in.
@@benolifts "As a citizen of the UK I feel that I should be able to see everything this country has to offer" Which.... you... can? Like any other country that allows you to move freely, your definition of "seeing everything" is very different than what is generally intended. There are some places people are not supposed to be for no reason, (and they shouldn't!) There's a reason why those rooms are "Keep out" or "Staff Only" or whatever. Why did we even come up with rooms that are allowed to be accessed by certain people only? The way you think it, it has no boundaries. So what. Even I like technical, I like infrastructure too, but that cannot justify anyone to be allowed anywhere they think they're fit, why do we have certifications, education, jobs, yellow vests, and so on?
I think you should get some sort of body mount for your camera. I actuslly use a dashcam app call droid dahscam which continually records to the micro sd card in my phone. Its super useful.
I completely understand you not being able to record the escape, it takes lots of concentration to record coherent video. I often find myself just recording the floor when I'm just walking around! Head mounted gopros (or fakes) are good for catching all the hard to record action. I'm going to need to invest in a gopro
i wouldnt recommend goPro, i think the DJI action cams are the best, go pro are like apple with their proprietary connectors and tripod mounts and more expensive
@@ohrun3106 Beno has had a ripoff gopro before, but it broke. I've looked into gopro pricing, it's ridiculous. £400 with no accessories... I'm definitely getting a fake. DJI and Insta360 are both out of my budget, so I'll probably go the Beno route and get a no-name gopro alternative Also I was using gopro as an eponym, just like how pretty much everyone in the UK calls a vacuum cleaner a hoover.
@@Polemox47 It's a civil offence. Unless they have a high court injunction specifically against you (dodgy area btw) then they cannot legally prosecute you for anything.
@@jakewynn With the civil route for simple trespass, the claimant can be awarded £100, but this almost never happens (unless a vehicle was involved such as an ANPR car park). With trespass (not involving a vehicle) the cost of pursuing the £100 from the trespasser will cost the claimant many times what they will receive. Firstly, companies almost never handle legal stuff in house, but have solicitors or barristers to do it. They will charge £500 for a letter of claim for £100. If the defendant doesn't pay up at this stage then it is taken to court. Sometimes at the crown court, but often these property cases go to the high court Queens/Kings bench division. The cost of this plus the barristers fees is £10,000. The claimant (the property owner) will outright win the court case (but is kind of a win in name only). The defendant now owes £10,100 to the claimant (but this goes through the barrister) Then with most urbex cases, the defendant (the trespasser) is not in a position where they have potential assets that can be claimed, meaning there is little chance of the claimant receiving the money. So when the bailiff comes the defendant simply refuses to open the door to them. The bailiff can only take items above around £500, as long as taking the item doesn't harm the defendant, and as long as the bailiff has implied right of access. The bailiff can not force entry. So for most of these small scale cases where the defendant is an ordinary person who isn't rich, there is not much the bailiff can do. They fail to take anything. The clamant gets ZERO, but now the clamant owes the barrister and the court £10,000 costs as these still have to be paid. Now lets take an alternative scenario. lets say the defendant has a caravan on their drive. The bailiff takes this. The caravan is worth £10,000. but the bailiff sells it at auction and only gets half the value. The bailiff now has £5,000 and takes a £2,000 for themselves. Now £3,000 is paid to the claimant's barrister. This means the Claimant still owes his own barrister £7,000. So to put it simply, companies are not going to sue urbexers for trespass as it will cost them far more than they will make. A trespasser is only worth sueing if they either has £30,000 worth of goods sitting outside of their house that can easily be taken away, or the trespasser owns a business with over £30,000 of goods (bailiffs can break into businesses to take goods). Now if a vehicle is involved things are very different. This is due to the law of keeper liability. The registered keeper has to pay all civil parking fees for it, even if the keeper is not the owner, and even if the keeper can not drive. Most people don't keep cars in garages, so they are easy for a bailiff to take. This is how the dodgy private parking companies operate.
@@benolifts Wow I didn't think it was this bad. I just assumed that seen as it's civil they can't pursue anything. You still won't get a criminal record which you can in America for instance.
Trespass laws here in the US can be crazy and expensive (and land you in jail), but that doesn’t really stop urbexers here, you just have to be better at not being caught!
Will there be a Wheelie bin is hungry 7?
Happy New Year, Beno!
This reminded me of the game Infra!, greatly recommended!
3 am in the best time to explore.
Since you mentioned that you ran into some police, how is your criminal record after all these years of exploring?
Exploring is not a criminal offence 😂😂
@TrainBusFanUK Uhh, trespassing is an criminal offense in many regions, but he claims it is not in the UK (which it should be IMO, it's hideous)
@@hariranormal5584 you really don't have a clue mate stfu
@@hariranormal5584 Why is it "hideous" that trespass is not a criminal offence in the UK? I feel that people should be able to trespass anywhere (except for peoples homes) without legal consequences. As a citizen of the UK I feel that I should be able to see everything this country has to offer, including areas of private property that I am "not allowed" to go in.
@@benolifts
"As a citizen of the UK I feel that I should be able to see everything this country has to offer"
Which.... you... can? Like any other country that allows you to move freely, your definition of "seeing everything" is very different than what is generally intended. There are some places people are not supposed to be for no reason, (and they shouldn't!)
There's a reason why those rooms are "Keep out" or "Staff Only" or whatever. Why did we even come up with rooms that are allowed to be accessed by certain people only?
The way you think it, it has no boundaries. So what. Even I like technical, I like infrastructure too, but that cannot justify anyone to be allowed anywhere they think they're fit, why do we have certifications, education, jobs, yellow vests, and so on?
The mine is already dangerous itself, you don't really know what are you going to find...
Edit: Happy new year mate!
I think you should get some sort of body mount for your camera. I actuslly use a dashcam app call droid dahscam which continually records to the micro sd card in my phone. Its super useful.
there is alot of interesting underground stuff at Corsham, u should do some more vids
Must have been real fun playing hide and seek with the angry security!
I completely understand you not being able to record the escape, it takes lots of concentration to record coherent video. I often find myself just recording the floor when I'm just walking around!
Head mounted gopros (or fakes) are good for catching all the hard to record action. I'm going to need to invest in a gopro
i wouldnt recommend goPro, i think the DJI action cams are the best, go pro are like apple with their proprietary connectors and tripod mounts and more expensive
@@ohrun3106 Beno has had a ripoff gopro before, but it broke. I've looked into gopro pricing, it's ridiculous. £400 with no accessories... I'm definitely getting a fake. DJI and Insta360 are both out of my budget, so I'll probably go the Beno route and get a no-name gopro alternative
Also I was using gopro as an eponym, just like how pretty much everyone in the UK calls a vacuum cleaner a hoover.
Hey Austin this is guys
What is the penalty for trespassing?
There isn't one. It is the UK.
@@Polemox47 It's a civil offence. Unless they have a high court injunction specifically against you (dodgy area btw) then they cannot legally prosecute you for anything.
@@jakewynn With the civil route for simple trespass, the claimant can be awarded £100, but this almost never happens (unless a vehicle was involved such as an ANPR car park). With trespass (not involving a vehicle) the cost of pursuing the £100 from the trespasser will cost the claimant many times what they will receive.
Firstly, companies almost never handle legal stuff in house, but have solicitors or barristers to do it. They will charge £500 for a letter of claim for £100.
If the defendant doesn't pay up at this stage then it is taken to court. Sometimes at the crown court, but often these property cases go to the high court Queens/Kings bench division. The cost of this plus the barristers fees is £10,000. The claimant (the property owner) will outright win the court case (but is kind of a win in name only). The defendant now owes £10,100 to the claimant (but this goes through the barrister)
Then with most urbex cases, the defendant (the trespasser) is not in a position where they have potential assets that can be claimed, meaning there is little chance of the claimant receiving the money. So when the bailiff comes the defendant simply refuses to open the door to them. The bailiff can only take items above around £500, as long as taking the item doesn't harm the defendant, and as long as the bailiff has implied right of access. The bailiff can not force entry. So for most of these small scale cases where the defendant is an ordinary person who isn't rich, there is not much the bailiff can do. They fail to take anything. The clamant gets ZERO, but now the clamant owes the barrister and the court £10,000 costs as these still have to be paid.
Now lets take an alternative scenario. lets say the defendant has a caravan on their drive. The bailiff takes this. The caravan is worth £10,000. but the bailiff sells it at auction and only gets half the value. The bailiff now has £5,000 and takes a £2,000 for themselves. Now £3,000 is paid to the claimant's barrister. This means the Claimant still owes his own barrister £7,000.
So to put it simply, companies are not going to sue urbexers for trespass as it will cost them far more than they will make.
A trespasser is only worth sueing if they either has £30,000 worth of goods sitting outside of their house that can easily be taken away, or the trespasser owns a business with over £30,000 of goods (bailiffs can break into businesses to take goods).
Now if a vehicle is involved things are very different. This is due to the law of keeper liability. The registered keeper has to pay all civil parking fees for it, even if the keeper is not the owner, and even if the keeper can not drive. Most people don't keep cars in garages, so they are easy for a bailiff to take. This is how the dodgy private parking companies operate.
@@benolifts Wow I didn't think it was this bad. I just assumed that seen as it's civil they can't pursue anything. You still won't get a criminal record which you can in America for instance.
Trespass laws here in the US can be crazy and expensive (and land you in jail), but that doesn’t really stop urbexers here, you just have to be better at not being caught!
Are you still filming on your phone?
yes he is
Kool
Been to Bath and the mines do look pretty nice. I wonder why that the mine is being kept top secret for public views.