I went with subgun for all three. If I'm anticipating a potential fight, I want the closest thing to a rifle as I can get. And a subgun such as the mp5k can be concealed under a sweat shirt or jacket.
Pizza shop- Sub Hospital run- hand Church- sub ( awesome Priest ) I always take a sub with me on vacation (along with my EDC), that way I can bring one type of ammo. I used a MP5K (PTR) but have recently started taking a Sig MPXK.
Loved the comparison between these two platforms! Pistol had way more pros than I expected it to have; think I was most impressed Grandma had a pimped out Mp5 in her closet!! Thanks for the shout out, love those straight extensions on the MP5! Great video! 1)sub 2)handgun 3)sub 10/10 loved *having* to make a choice.
I was issued an HK UMP for a few years and loved it. But in all my training i found it far more useful on semi than full auto. I think semiaut "sub guns" like this or 7" ar pistols are a highly underrated tool by civilians. They should not be run like a carbine though
@@zachcd390119 stance, mount, grips and rates of fire should be more aggressive with a pdw than a carbine. There are also different griping angles you can use better and retention shooting techniques should be practiced more.
SIG Rattler in an urban bag to complement ccw pistol for win. B&T APC9 Pro with Glock lower in urban bag to allow universal magazine usage with your glock19 ccw for another win.
1. Subgun. Any aggressor approach signals intentions. The subgun may deter escalation, and failing that it would be more capable. 2. Handgun. Easier to conceal, and easier to employ from inside a vehicle. 3. Subgun. It likely has more ammunition and is more stable. I don't have a lot of subgun experience, so this selection is predicated on being as skilled with Subgun X as I am with a pistol.
The kyle Rittenhouse fiasco demonstrated how entering a riot situation open carrying a long gun may not be the best idea. He wouldn't even have been attacked in the first place of he hadn't been waving ar AR around larping like some commando moron. My point is having the extra firepower of a sub gun or rifle is not a guarantee of deterrence in fact it's likely to be the opposite because these Antifa, BLM, antifash, Demonrat, psychopaths are not the sharpest tools in the shed but they make up for it by carrying a super sharp machete............I guess🤷♂️.
Question… can I be Pat McNamara in any of these scenarios? If I had the skills of an old school 1911 CAG guy I’d be running a pistol all day. Since I’m not that great with my handguns (supporting a family of three on just my income means dad does a lot of dry fire when he’s home), I would take a firearm with a stock alll day son. I always have my Glock 34 with RMR and TLR1 concealed on my person at home. When I go to bed it goes on the nightstand, right next to my 14.5” block 2 M4 with piggyback Steiner MPS. On the floor I keep my Vertx socp fannypack with a G26, 2x 17 round mags, flashlight, and Tourniquet. If things are happening too fast I’ll quickly grab the Glock and go. If I have time, I’m throwing on my rifle, racking a round, putting the Fannypack around my naked ass, whistle for my dog to follow me, and handing my wife the glock 34 because my puppy and I are about to go get in the shit together. My wife needs to protect my son who’s next to the bed in his cradle and tell 911 not to shoot me. This is my current plan anyway.
first one and second one I would go with Handgun do to the compact and low vis requirement but the last would be the Subgun do to the need of pin point shooting that a subgun with or with out a brace can give you over the handgun
I use my CZ Scorpion as my plus up to my CCW over a short 5.56. For everyday not getting into a gunfight or a situation where an AR with optimal setup for said gunfight, the subgun is a great plus up just carry around on vacation to stay in it's bag in the under seat storage of my minivan. Honestly, a subgun is better for fighting than a pistol. We carry a pistol because it's socially not ok to carry a 20" M16 with nods and thermals with a 203 grenade launcher.
I live in North Central Arkansas. With that said my buddies and I have created the perfect world and and train for the what if's. Three of my buddies are law enforcement. Our kits we have decided on are kept in a pelican case in our vehicle. We all have the CMMG banshee 10mm and our side arm is either a Glock 20 or Glock 40 in 10mm with the Trijicon RCR. We all pitched in and purchased a Dillon 550 reloading press so with dies for 308, 5.56, 10mm, & 9mm. So in either scenario I or we win. We are are sick and tired of how things are going in the world and we have decided to make sure we are ready for what is coming. Oh and we all go to the same church and 4 of us are retired military with several deployments to Iraq and Buttcrackastan. Me I'm choosing my Glock 40mos for all three scenarios. Our tents are up. 😎
I’m going Flux Raider for all scenarios - off body it fits nicely in a Vertx Tourist Sling for EDC - appendix or pocket I’ve started carrying a .357 S&W 340PD wheel gun.
Ammo availability is critical. 9mm will always be plentiful compared to specialty rifle cartridges , so I'm on board with subguns. Hospital trip with LE checkpoints: concealed handgun. For the others: subgun.
If I'm comparing what I have, the G17 vs MP320. Id probably take the G17. Ive been called out to friends houses to check on people or situations and its kinda awkward walking up with too much gun. If i really feel the need, I'll pack the SBR in the truck. G17 is plenty dangerous but also deploys fast and goes away fast. Also, I think a handgun looks alot better in court. I guess Im taking the G17 in all scenarios. 1. Dont draw attention, stay dangerous 2. One hand operation while driving, keeps the courts happy in the case of skate board weilding attackers. 3. Its the gun you have on you... and has saucy reloads for multiple attackers.
1)Subgun 2)Pistol 3)Subgun The primary objective for 1&3 is defend people in a fight. The primary goal for 2 is to get away. If you’re fighting you want as close to a rifle as possible.
I think most sub guns are too big for realistic concealment. Sub gun/pdws are better than hand guns obviously but they are concealable enough and usually aren’t as convenient as a handgun. The EDC wins in almost all of these imo for the conceal ability and quickness of the draw.
@@wisemencompany it seems like the precursor to .300 blackout. I know it cannot be used in the AR platform but why not a sub gun using that round? I know things get phased out, just seemed to be a good 30 caliber round for CQB.
scenario 1: Pistol - Assuming im just chilling in the front all day it just makes more sense as we are just serving pies. scenario 2: Pistol - concealable Scenario 3: subgun - just cause
sub gun while not practical for daily use a sub gun can be pretty low vis and not to mention if forced into a home defense or patrol type scenario a sub gun would be better you can get more precise shots than a hangdun and in full auto it can lay down suppressive fire.
Scenario 1: PDW pistol system suppressed since i can conceal under the shoulder Scenario 2: Pistol Scenario 3: PDW pistol system suppressed Glock or Sig since they seem to be popular.
Fighting rapscallions in scenario 3 requires a least a blunderbuss or a hand full of smooth bore flintlocks and a triangular bayonet. Tally Ho Lads! 😂🤣
1. A10 warthog that I keep in my pocket. 2. Private Dr that I keep on staff brings his contracted team of retired seals to bodyguard us to the private hospital. 3. I call my good buddy Jesus and he intervenes directly. He uses the same curse as the one on the wrong cup in Indiana Jones. We brofist and walk out. 4. I dont play by the rules. Rules followers finiah last.
Barrel length will be quite relevant depending on your ammo choice. And 85 grain bonded copper 9 mm projectile will function rather differently out of a 9 inch barrel MP five then it will out of a 4.5 inch barrel handgun. Also the jacket at hollow points that will expand properly in a 4 1/2 inch barrel may not expand properly out of a 8 to 10 inch barrel sub gun. If you want to take the other extreme 357 or 44 magnum out of a 4 inch revolver versus a 16 inch lever gun are going to have wildly different effects. It should go without saying but in case it’s not entirely obvious a bullet that’s flying 200 ft./s faster is going to be easier to land rounds on target at 50 yards.
1. Subgun- sitting in a position and waiting for if something happens 2. Ideally a minigun and screw everyone else I love my grandma but for the scenario, if grandma has it she knows how to use it so I’m choosing handgun. Also easier to use while driving. 3. Subgun although CQB SUCKS!!!! God help us all
What if you just bought one gun and got really good with it? Then instead of an MP5 you get about ten thousand rounds of ammo and you can actually shoot your Glock.
We are warriors for Jesus Christ and it is our duty to be prepared and trained when our event happens. It’s hard to argue we wouldn’t be there for a purpose planned by the most high in a time where his flock is being targeted. Christ be with y’all.
Christ is King ☦
@@JinSage Amen.
💯 yes JESUS is!!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hanukkah 🕎 stanza too!! Or Danza, whichever you prefer 🤷♂️😁
The Talmud does not agree.
I like turtles
Grandma’s closet having an MP5 and handgun in scenario 2 is based AF.
1 - Sub gun
2 - handgun
3 - sub gun
This is the way
Agreed
This 👆🏻
I completely agree
Good call
"you open grandma's closet and there's an mp5"
fkn based gramgram
I went with subgun for all three. If I'm anticipating a potential fight, I want the closest thing to a rifle as I can get. And a subgun such as the mp5k can be concealed under a sweat shirt or jacket.
Are you John Wick? Probably not. Buy ammo and learn to shoot your Glock. Fuck an MP5.
Subgun for 1 & 3, handgun for 2 (concealment and speed of deployment in a confined space through a hostile environment).
Scenario 1 sub gun scenario 2 pistol and scenario 3 sub gun
Pizza shop- Sub
Hospital run- hand
Church- sub ( awesome Priest )
I always take a sub with me on vacation (along with my EDC), that way I can bring one type of ammo. I used a MP5K (PTR) but have recently started taking a Sig MPXK.
Loved the comparison between these two platforms! Pistol had way more pros than I expected it to have; think I was most impressed Grandma had a pimped out Mp5 in her closet!! Thanks for the shout out, love those straight extensions on the MP5! Great video! 1)sub 2)handgun 3)sub 10/10 loved *having* to make a choice.
@@a3tactical thanks for the support homies!
Handgun all scenarios because I can conceal it if needs be and I’m far and away the most practiced with one over other platforms.
I carry an AKV in a vertx bag everyday along with my concealed handgun on the belt.
AKV can shoot way hotter ammo more accurately with less recoil.
what ammo do you run in the akv?
I was issued an HK UMP for a few years and loved it. But in all my training i found it far more useful on semi than full auto. I think semiaut "sub guns" like this or 7" ar pistols are a highly underrated tool by civilians. They should not be run like a carbine though
Would you elaborate on your last phrase there? “They should not be run like a carbine”
@@zachcd390119 stance, mount, grips and rates of fire should be more aggressive with a pdw than a carbine. There are also different griping angles you can use better and retention shooting techniques should be practiced more.
@@loctitecody7830 Interesting, thanks for the clarification.
@loctitecody7830 yeah, subguns and pdw's handle like paintball guns and the tactics are more similar to that than carbines are
1-pistol to avoid the escalation
2- pistol to get through checkpoint
3- SMG faster to drive to multiple targets and higher round count
SIG Rattler in an urban bag to complement ccw pistol for win. B&T APC9 Pro with Glock lower in urban bag to allow universal magazine usage with your glock19 ccw for another win.
1. Subgun. Any aggressor approach signals intentions. The subgun may deter escalation, and failing that it would be more capable.
2. Handgun. Easier to conceal, and easier to employ from inside a vehicle.
3. Subgun. It likely has more ammunition and is more stable. I don't have a lot of subgun experience, so this selection is predicated on being as skilled with Subgun X as I am with a pistol.
The kyle Rittenhouse fiasco demonstrated how entering a riot situation open carrying a long gun may not be the best idea. He wouldn't even have been attacked in the first place of he hadn't been waving ar AR around larping like some commando moron. My point is having the extra firepower of a sub gun or rifle is not a guarantee of deterrence in fact it's likely to be the opposite because these Antifa, BLM, antifash, Demonrat, psychopaths are not the sharpest tools in the shed but they make up for it by carrying a super sharp machete............I guess🤷♂️.
Question… can I be Pat McNamara in any of these scenarios? If I had the skills of an old school 1911 CAG guy I’d be running a pistol all day.
Since I’m not that great with my handguns (supporting a family of three on just my income means dad does a lot of dry fire when he’s home), I would take a firearm with a stock alll day son.
I always have my Glock 34 with RMR and TLR1 concealed on my person at home. When I go to bed it goes on the nightstand, right next to my 14.5” block 2 M4 with piggyback Steiner MPS. On the floor I keep my Vertx socp fannypack with a G26, 2x 17 round mags, flashlight, and Tourniquet.
If things are happening too fast I’ll quickly grab the Glock and go. If I have time, I’m throwing on my rifle, racking a round, putting the Fannypack around my naked ass, whistle for my dog to follow me, and handing my wife the glock 34 because my puppy and I are about to go get in the shit together. My wife needs to protect my son who’s next to the bed in his cradle and tell 911 not to shoot me.
This is my current plan anyway.
first one and second one I would go with Handgun do to the compact and low vis requirement but the last would be the Subgun do to the need of pin point shooting that a subgun with or with out a brace can give you over the handgun
Handgun all three; using 33 rd stickazines.
@@AJohnSmith valid.
I use my CZ Scorpion as my plus up to my CCW over a short 5.56. For everyday not getting into a gunfight or a situation where an AR with optimal setup for said gunfight, the subgun is a great plus up just carry around on vacation to stay in it's bag in the under seat storage of my minivan.
Honestly, a subgun is better for fighting than a pistol. We carry a pistol because it's socially not ok to carry a 20" M16 with nods and thermals with a 203 grenade launcher.
I live in North Central Arkansas. With that said my buddies and I have created the perfect world and and train for the what if's. Three of my buddies are law enforcement. Our kits we have decided on are kept in a pelican case in our vehicle. We all have the CMMG banshee 10mm and our side arm is either a Glock 20 or Glock 40 in 10mm with the Trijicon RCR. We all pitched in and purchased a Dillon 550 reloading press so with dies for 308, 5.56, 10mm, & 9mm. So in either scenario I or we win. We are are sick and tired of how things are going in the world and we have decided to make sure we are ready for what is coming. Oh and we all go to the same church and 4 of us are retired military with several deployments to Iraq and Buttcrackastan. Me I'm choosing my Glock 40mos for all three scenarios. Our tents are up. 😎
I’m going Flux Raider for all scenarios - off body it fits nicely in a Vertx Tourist Sling for EDC - appendix or pocket I’ve started carrying a .357 S&W 340PD wheel gun.
1. Handgun
2. Handgun
3. Sub
Ammo availability is critical. 9mm will always be plentiful compared to specialty rifle cartridges , so I'm on board with subguns.
Hospital trip with LE checkpoints: concealed handgun. For the others: subgun.
I could definitely see my priest pulling a sub gun from his robes. Defend the Church at all costs. Great video!
If I'm comparing what I have, the G17 vs MP320. Id probably take the G17. Ive been called out to friends houses to check on people or situations and its kinda awkward walking up with too much gun. If i really feel the need, I'll pack the SBR in the truck. G17 is plenty dangerous but also deploys fast and goes away fast.
Also, I think a handgun looks alot better in court.
I guess Im taking the G17 in all scenarios.
1. Dont draw attention, stay dangerous
2. One hand operation while driving, keeps the courts happy in the case of skate board weilding attackers.
3. Its the gun you have on you... and has saucy reloads for multiple attackers.
1)Subgun
2)Pistol
3)Subgun
The primary objective for 1&3 is defend people in a fight. The primary goal for 2 is to get away. If you’re fighting you want as close to a rifle as possible.
I think most sub guns are too big for realistic concealment. Sub gun/pdws are better than hand guns obviously but they are concealable enough and usually aren’t as convenient as a handgun. The EDC wins in almost all of these imo for the conceal ability and quickness of the draw.
1 - subgun
2 - handgun
3 - subgun
Hand gun can make it through all of these, but sub gun might have to toss and pick up later, especially when coming to a checkpoint
1-handgun
2-handgun
3-subgun
I wonder why the .30 cal carbine round was dropped?
@@roundrock63 what do you mean?
@@wisemencompany it seems like the precursor to .300 blackout. I know it cannot be used in the AR platform but why not a sub gun using that round?
I know things get phased out, just seemed to be a good 30 caliber round for CQB.
Handgun for all
G17 with G26 and extendo mags
Sub > 1 & 3
Postol > 2
1 - sub gun
2 - handgun
3 - sub gun
And grandma is a badass for owning a sub gun
What a rad grandma, I mean I with my grandma had an MP5 in her closet! 🤙
1&2 pistol, sub gun to save the kids as accuracy would be very important. And you couldn't waste a chance to use Father Obrian's mp5
@@fattigla 😂
scenario 1: Pistol - Assuming im just chilling in the front all day it just makes more sense as we are just serving pies.
scenario 2: Pistol - concealable
Scenario 3: subgun - just cause
#1 Sub
#2 pistol
#3 Sub
Everytime i pick Sub it is because of ammo capacity.
@@TheTyrial86 that is a fair.
TommyBuilt T7 for all scenarios.
the problem with most sub guns are their issues with hollow point feeding.
1. Sub gun
2. Pistol
3. Sub gun
I want that pastor. 5k for win
1. Pistol
2. Pistol
3. Subgun
Handgun all
sub gun while not practical for daily use a sub gun can be pretty low vis and not to mention if forced into a home defense or patrol type scenario a sub gun would be better you can get more precise shots than a hangdun and in full auto it can lay down suppressive fire.
1. Sub
2. Hand
3. Sub
Just like that. 👍🏾
I’m taking a sub gun in every scenario 100% of the time.
How do we feel about a 10mm sub gun? maybe stribog or cmmg
1. Subgun
2. handgun
3. subgun
1. Sub gun
2. Handgun
3. Sub gun
Hypothetical's are fun AF
Carl G.
Scenario 1: PDW pistol system suppressed since i can conceal under the shoulder
Scenario 2: Pistol
Scenario 3: PDW pistol system suppressed
Glock or Sig since they seem to be popular.
I don't see the benefit of a bigger, heavier subgun when you can do a PDW which does the same with less bulk/more concealability.
Do you wanna carry more gun? Or more ammo?
There are situations for both.
Subgun for everything
Fighting rapscallions in scenario 3 requires a least a blunderbuss or a hand full of smooth bore flintlocks and a triangular bayonet. Tally Ho Lads! 😂🤣
Both are missing a light. That's huge.
1. A10 warthog that I keep in my pocket.
2. Private Dr that I keep on staff brings his contracted team of retired seals to bodyguard us to the private hospital.
3. I call my good buddy Jesus and he intervenes directly. He uses the same curse as the one on the wrong cup in Indiana Jones. We brofist and walk out.
4. I dont play by the rules. Rules followers finiah last.
So long as the sub gun had a sling…
1-sub gun
2-hand gun
3-sub gun
Handgun*, Handgun is the most important personal defense tool unless everyone is running rifles.
Barrel length will be quite relevant depending on your ammo choice. And 85 grain bonded copper 9 mm projectile will function rather differently out of a 9 inch barrel MP five then it will out of a 4.5 inch barrel handgun. Also the jacket at hollow points that will expand properly in a 4 1/2 inch barrel may not expand properly out of a 8 to 10 inch barrel sub gun. If you want to take the other extreme 357 or 44 magnum out of a 4 inch revolver versus a 16 inch lever gun are going to have wildly different effects. It should go without saying but in case it’s not entirely obvious a bullet that’s flying 200 ft./s faster is going to be easier to land rounds on target at 50 yards.
1. Subgun- sitting in a position and waiting for if something happens
2. Ideally a minigun and screw everyone else I love my grandma but for the scenario, if grandma has it she knows how to use it so I’m choosing handgun. Also easier to use while driving.
3. Subgun although CQB SUCKS!!!! God help us all
Is JTAC ranch back? What is this range?
@@KungFu_JamaisVu JTAC Ranch is gone forever. This was filmed at various locations.
Someone’s grandma has an MP5?
@@KennethJoines-th4jk yours doesn’t?
Sub way
Trick question, the answer is obviously belt fed.
What brace is that on the Zenith ?
@@lennys5058 A3 Tactical
sub gun
Sub gun every time!!!!!
Sub gun
Pistol
Sub gun
What if you just bought one gun and got really good with it?
Then instead of an MP5 you get about ten thousand rounds of ammo and you can actually shoot your Glock.
What flag is that?
We are warriors for Jesus Christ and it is our duty to be prepared and trained when our event happens. It’s hard to argue we wouldn’t be there for a purpose planned by the most high in a time where his flock is being targeted. Christ be with y’all.
scenario 1 = secret rpg, scenario 2= secret rpg scenario 3= secret rpg..... checkmate democrat
Sub guns are full auto.
Sub
Haha 😂 why are people always posting religious “things” in the comments 🤷♂️
Without full auto the sub gun loses a lot of it advantage.
Wrong
Without full auto, it’s not a subgun…
Flux Legion 🤠😎🤫
@@raptorpilot170 gross.
Yes. Let's pick a influencer toy instead of a serious firearm lol
1- subgun 2-handgun 3-subgun
Sub